Re: [Evolution] evolution-list Digest, Vol 94, Issue 44
Den 05/29/2013 02:00 PM, skrev evolution-list-requ...@gnome.org: Message: 1 Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 12:35:40 +0200 From: Vidar Evenrud Seeberg w...@infosikring.no To: evolution-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [Evolution] Time drifting using Android - Exchange 2010 - Evolution Message-ID: 1369823740.5115.16.camel@vesjobb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 On Wed, 2013-05-29 at 09:48 +, evolution-list-requ...@gnome.org wrote: Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 09:06:06 +0200 From: Patryk Benderz patryk.bend...@esp.pl To: evolution-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [Evolution] Time drifting using Android - Exchange 2010 - Evolution Message-ID: 1369811166.10214.8.camel@esp-patben-lin.espdx1.local Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Post looks great. Check differences between OS and BIOS time set on each machine, including phone, however last one may not be trivial. I do not know Evolution code handles setting appointment incoming from different sources, but I imagine some parts of code may check OS time, wile others can check BIOS time. This would explain time difference from UTC. I will check this evening. However, one post says Evolution uses System time and not BIOS time. Don't know how to find BIOS time for the phone, but I will google a bit for it BIOS time on my PC was set at UTC (+/-0), however setting it to local time changed nothing. I entered an appointment at 20:00 on my phone, initiated sync to Exchange and opened Evolution. Still two hours drift, shows in Evolution at 18:00. Displays correctly in OWA. I have not found a way to check BIOS time on my phone Please help anybody. This is really a showstopper for me using Evolution -- Patryk LeadMan Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments -- Message: 6 Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 10:15:47 +0100 From: Pete Biggs p...@biggs.org.uk To: evolution-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [Evolution] Time drifting using Android - Exchange 2010 - Evolution Message-ID: 1369818947.27815.4.ca...@snoopy.chem.ox.ac.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-7 When you say it drifts do you mean it's exactly 2 hours off, or that it varies by up to 2 hours? It is always off by two hours (which is the offset from timezone 0.) Do all the various components agree on the timezone and the current time? I.e. if the Windows machine says it's 10am, does the Linux machine also say it's 10am? How about the phone? poc The timezone and the time is set equally on both PCs and phone What about the exchange server? Do you have any access to that to see what timezone it is set to? Our Exchange server is 2010 and the timezone for the server is UTC+1 + summertime, which altogether should be summarized to my computers' and my phone's +2 timezone Original post (not sure if I should attach this, but doing it for including all relevant information): No, don't include the original - if you reply to a message to the list, use Ctrl-L (to reply to the list), that will set all the threading parameters properly so your message will appear in context with all the others so there is no need to include the original message. In fact good list ? email etiquette is to remove any parts of the message that aren't necessary to the answers you are giving. P. Trying to do it right this time... :) -- Message: 7 Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 10:21:45 +0100 From: Pete Biggs p...@biggs.org.uk To: evolution-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [Evolution] Time drifting using Android - Exchange 2010 - Evolution Message-ID: 1369819305.27815.8.ca...@snoopy.chem.ox.ac.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-7 Post looks great. Check differences between OS and BIOS time set on each machine, including phone, however last one may not be trivial. I do not know Evolution code handles setting appointment incoming from different sources, but I imagine some parts of code may check OS time, wile others can check BIOS time. This would explain time difference from UTC. It's unlikely that Evolution (or anything else in user land) will look at the BIOS time - the standard time is the system time and that is (very) easily accessed through standard system calls. P. Could there be Evolution looking at other time information than phone, OWA and Outlook looks at? (Not sure what I am asking about, but could it be more than one time/date field living in Exchange 2010 server, where OWA, Outlook and phone looks at one field while Evolution looks at another)? -- Message: 8 Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 10:47:58 +0100 From: Pete Biggs p...@biggs.org.uk To: evolution-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [Evolution] Time drifting using Android - Exchange 2010 - Evolution Message-ID: 1369820878.27815.19.ca...@snoopy.chem.ox.ac.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-7 When
Re: [Evolution] Time drifting using Android - Exchange 2010 - Evolution
On Thu, 2013-05-30 at 06:51 +, evolution-list-requ...@gnome.org wrote: Message: 4 Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 16:10:06 +0200 From: Milan Crha mc...@redhat.com To: evolution-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [Evolution] Time drifting using Android - Exchange 2010 - Evolution Message-ID: 1369836606.3346.9.camel@zyxPad2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Wed, 2013-05-29 at 12:35 +0200, Vidar Evenrud Seeberg wrote: Thank you. Comforting to see that it is not just me Our Exchange server is 2010 and the timezone for the server is UTC+1 + summertime, which altogether should be summarized to my computers and my phone's +2 timezone. I will ask the IT management department if there is a possible upgrade up front. Hi, it might be better to start with evolution itself, not with your admins. I suggest to debug what the server returns to you. One UI way is to open the event editor and turn on View-Time zone, then you'll see what time zone is the event at. More core debugging looks like: a) close evolution and all its related processes, namely e-calendar-factory process b) open a terminal and run there the factory with debugging on: $ EWS_DEBUG=2 /usr/libexec/e-calendar-factory -w notes: 1) path on your system can be different; 2) if -2 doesn't work in 3.4, then run it without it). c) enter a new appointment on your phone d) run evolution on another terminal you should see printed new lines on the factory console. I guess if you entered some recognizable summary of the event, then you'll see where it starts. The raw data is important for debugging. e) when the event shows in evolution, right-click it and choose Save..., pick some nice name for it. Open it in a text editor and delete from there anything you'll feel like being personal and/or sensitive data (or just replace it with ). Attach the saved event here, and if you can then also the part from the factory log where the event was received (I'm not sure if it'll be visible at all, if not, then never mind on this). Bye, Milan P.S.: it seems to me that you use message digests on this list, it'll be better to turn that off (follow URL at the very bottom of this and every email on this list), then you can reply to individual messages without breaking threading (and making the message hard to follow, because I was about to discard your whole message after reaching the first reply-part in it). Thanks. Thank you, Milan Starting to get the grip on mailing lists... sorry for slow learning. I have turned off digesting. This is my last post doing it the wrong way. If I have understood correctly I will receive a mail for each reply to my posts and I will reply to them again. Correct me if I am wrong... (until now I have only received the digest and replied to that) Since I am at the office now, I will look into your suggestions this evening. Thank you for those. I hope the debugging gives some useful results. Posting back this evening Best regards Vidar ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Time drifting using Android - Exchange 2010 - Evolution
On Thu, 2013-05-30 at 06:51 +, evolution-list-requ...@gnome.org wrote: Message: 6 Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 20:01:44 +0100 (BST) From: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk To: evolution-list@gnome.org evolution-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [Evolution] Time drifting using Android - Exchange 2010 - Evolution Message-ID: 1369854104.78273.yahoomail...@web28905.mail.ir2.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi :) I had a problem with all the Windows machines on the company network being 10 minutes off.? Only booting machines into Ubuntu gave the correct time.? I think it turned out to be something to do with the Windows Server authentication (Kerberos?) whereas all the Ubuntu machines only have local logins on each desktop machine.? I'm not sure if that's helpful at all!? I hope so tho!? Regards from Tom :)? Thank you, Tom I will follow the directions given by Milan. Hopefully some useful debugging information will give us some hints. Milan also gave me some good advice on using mailing lists. I hope I have understood correctly (me - slow learner) and my posts (after this one) will be made more correctly Best regards Vidar ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Time drifting using Android - Exchange 2010 - Evolution
Hi :) Yes, Milan's advice is much better. I hadn't seen it before i posted :( Wrt mailing lists this one is quite strict and if you get used to this one it stands you in good stead with all the other projects. Annoyingly some email clients and all handheld devices make it impossible to bottom post so i usually either avoid posting or delete out all the previous stuff so that no-one has any context. LibreOffice and Ubuntu mailing lists are reasonably ok with top-posting so i mostly stay over at LibreOffice. Also i only joined this list to learn through lurking. It's kinda working. Regards from Tom :) ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Time drifting using Android - Exchange 2010 - Evolution
On Thu, 2013-05-30 at 09:17 +0100, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Yes, Milan's advice is much better. I hadn't seen it before i posted :( Wrt mailing lists this one is quite strict and if you get used to this one it stands you in good stead with all the other projects. Annoyingly some email clients and all handheld devices make it impossible to bottom post so i usually either avoid posting or delete out all the previous stuff so that no-one has any context. LibreOffice and Ubuntu mailing lists are reasonably ok with top-posting so i mostly stay over at LibreOffice. Also i only joined this list to learn through lurking. It's kinda working. All handheld devices is overreaching. It's true that it's difficult to bottom post on a Blackberry (it can be done with cutting and pasting but it's a real pain), but on my Android phone the Gmail app even has a button for respond inline, which is exactly what is needed (oddly enough the Gmail web client doesn't have this). Some mailing lists have guidelines on posting styles. The Evo list is not one of them so in that sense it's not at all strict as you say. That said, most people here are comfortable with widely-accepted practice on Internet lists, i.e. no HTML, no replies to digests, don't hijack threads, and trim the quoted material to what's relevant when replying (don't just delete it all), with your contributions inserted after the part you're commenting on, i.e. inline posting. poc ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Time drifting using Android - Exchange 2010 - Evolution
On Thu, 2013-05-30 at 09:17 +0100, Tom Davies wrote: Annoyingly some email clients and all handheld devices make it impossible to bottom post so i usually either avoid posting or delete out all the previous stuff so that no-one has any context. We have plenty of context. The In-Reply-To: and/or References: headers in your own message serve to explicitly identify the message to which you replied, and we can read that quite easily. Unfortunately, that message itself is very hard to read. Quite why Vidar thought it would be helpful to repeat part of an older email which reads Message: 6 Date: Wed, 29 May 2013... and a bunch of other irrelevant stuff, I have no idea. Don't people *read* what's in front of them before hitting 'send', these days? -- dwmw2 smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Time drifting using Android - Exchange 2010 - Evolution
Den 05/30/2013 08:51 AM, skrev evolution-list-requ...@gnome.org: Hi, it might be better to start with evolution itself, not with your admins. I suggest to debug what the server returns to you. One UI way is to open the event editor and turn on View-Time zone, then you'll see what time zone is the event at. Now, we're getting somewhere... When opening an event created on my phone, no time zone appears, just an active Select... box from which I can choose time zone. Opening an event created in Outlook, the time zone says GMT+1. Opening an event created in OWA, the time zone says Romance Standard Time. Creating an event in Evolution and opening it again afterwards it says Europe/Oslo, which is the system's time. The main thing is that events created on the phone does not appear with time zone set in Evolution. I also tried to view the time zone in Outlook, and all are viewed as GMT+1, although events created in Evolution or on the phone says Belgrade... and events created in OWA says Brussels... More core debugging looks like: a) close evolution and all its related processes, namely e-calendar-factory process b) open a terminal and run there the factory with debugging on: $ EWS_DEBUG=2 /usr/libexec/e-calendar-factory -w notes: 1) path on your system can be different; 2) if -2 doesn't work in 3.4, then run it without it). c) enter a new appointment on your phone d) run evolution on another terminal you should see printed new lines on the factory console. I guess if you entered some recognizable summary of the event, then you'll see where it starts. The raw data is important for debugging. e) when the event shows in evolution, right-click it and choose Save..., pick some nice name for it. Open it in a text editor and delete from there anything you'll feel like being personal and/or sensitive data (or just replace it with ). Attach the saved event here, and if you can then also the part from the factory log where the event was received (I'm not sure if it'll be visible at all, if not, then never mind on this). Bye, Milan The EWS_DEBUG part worked, but searching for the event entered on the phone gave no results. Here is the event, entered for 20:00 on the phone, but drifted two hours to 18:00: BEGIN:VCALENDAR PRODID:-//Ximian//NONSGML Evolution Calendar//EN VERSION:2.0 METHOD:PUBLISH BEGIN:VEVENT SUMMARY;LANGUAGE=en-US:Test20 DTSTART:20130602T18 DTEND:20130602T19 UID:1028db8dcfc0465e936a87d8027ade0d CLASS:PUBLIC PRIORITY:5 DTSTAMP:20130530T185125Z TRANSP:OPAQUE STATUS:CONFIRMED SEQUENCE:0 X-MICROSOFT-CDO-APPT-SEQUENCE:0 X-MICROSOFT-CDO-OWNERAPPTID:273895 X-MICROSOFT-CDO-BUSYSTATUS:BUSY X-MICROSOFT-CDO-INTENDEDSTATUS:BUSY X-MICROSOFT-CDO-ALLDAYEVENT:FALSE X-MICROSOFT-CDO-IMPORTANCE:1 X-MICROSOFT-CDO-INSTTYPE:0 X-MICROSOFT-DISALLOW-COUNTER:FALSE X-EVOLUTION-ITEMID: AAMkADFmODk4OWM3LThkZTYtNDNiNy04MDI3LWE2MDFiNjEwMTVlZQBGAABfPsKLxmAeTq GBhPnLcSToBwDpmmDdm/HZQbnuhOn4fMvuAAABV6JlAADZpHxTQYzrRJ5/zjxxNiNuKCiD AAA= X-EVOLUTION-CHANGEKEY:DwAAABYAAADZpHxTQYzrRJ5/zjxxNiNuKuxn END:VEVENT END:VCALENDAR P.S.: it seems to me that you use message digests on this list, it'll be better to turn that off (follow URL at the very bottom of this and every email on this list), then you can reply to individual messages without breaking threading (and making the message hard to follow, because I was about to discard your whole message after reaching the first reply-part in it). Thanks. I hope this post comes to the right place. I had to reply based on the digest since I did not have your single post. I have now disabled digesting and hopefully I am on the right track now Best regards Vidar ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
[Evolution] Format of documents written in OpenOffice Writer not maintained in Evo HTML
I am using Evolution 2.26.1. (I know, it is quite an older version, but I haven't upgraded my Ubuntu since 2009. I'll be upgrading soon). If I draft a document in OpenOffice Writer and then paste it into an evo email set to HTML, the parameters of the document are not maintained by evo. Here are the issues I face: 1. I place a two-line gap between paragraphs in my OpenOffice Writer documents, but when pasted into Evo HTML, it doubles all those to four-line gaps. 2. Where there headings set in bold, it doubles the line spacing again by a factor of two. 3. Wherever there is a word in the paragraph in bold, evo obliterates the space between that word and the next, making them into one word. Thus, whenever I want to email a document I have written in OO Writer, once I paste it into evo I have to go through the document removing all the extra spaces between paragraphs, and re-adding a space after any words set in bold in the paragraph. Lastly, where I have headings centered and set in bold, the following paragraph automatically gets set apart from it with twice the number of lines which I set. So for example, even if I remove all spaces so that the paragraph following a header is immediately underneath it with no spaces, it will still arrive to recipients with double spacing between the header and the paragraph. In order to adjust for all these issues I have to take a half hour re-formating all my documents in Evo-HTML prior to mailing them out. Is there a setting or some way to make evo accept the line-spacing, bold-spacing, and other such formating from OO-Writer, so that I won't have to redo all this manually in Evo? Thanks, Swarup ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Time drifting using Android - Exchange 2010 - Evolution
On Thu, 2013-05-30 at 21:06 +0200, Vidar Evenrud Seeberg wrote: Den 05/30/2013 08:51 AM, skrev evolution-list-requ...@gnome.org: Hi, it might be better to start with evolution itself, not with your admins. I suggest to debug what the server returns to you. One UI way is to open the event editor and turn on View-Time zone, then you'll see what time zone is the event at. Now, we're getting somewhere... When opening an event created on my phone, no time zone appears, just an active Select... box from which I can choose time zone. Opening an event created in Outlook, the time zone says GMT+1. Careful; Outlook (and most things Microsoft) are very broken here. They say GMT to refer to UK time, which is only actually GMT during the winter, and GMT+1 during the summer. During the summer months they have a similar off-by-one error in all time zones. I assume there is similar brokenness in the southern hemisphere but I don't know exactly how it manifests itself. So it's actually expected that you'll see Central European Time (which is currently GMT+2) described as GMT+1 at least in cosmetic textual things from Microsoft. In a typical display of their quality engineering, they at one point attempted to fix this bug by adding a disclaimer to outbound calendar invitations, warning the user that the GMT offset may be wrong :) However, that's mostly just cosmetic, in the text of the description etc. In the ical invite itself, things should usually be correct. Opening an event created in OWA, the time zone says Romance Standard Time. Creating an event in Evolution and opening it again afterwards it says Europe/Oslo, which is the system's time. In Exchange, a non-recurring event is generally expressed in GMT. (And thankfully I mean real GMT this time; the stupidity described above is mostly only cosmetic). Think about it: there's no *point* in preserving the original time zone in a non-recurring event. If it's 12:00 GMT or 13:00 UK time or 14:00 Brussels time, that's all the *same*. The only time the original timezone ever matters is for *recurring* events, when the daylight savings rules need to be applied on the right day of the year. The EWS_DEBUG part worked, but searching for the event entered on the phone gave no results. Here is the event, entered for 20:00 on the phone, but drifted two hours to 18:00: BEGIN:VCALENDAR PRODID:-//Ximian//NONSGML Evolution Calendar//EN VERSION:2.0 METHOD:PUBLISH BEGIN:VEVENT SUMMARY;LANGUAGE=en-US:Test20 DTSTART:20130602T18 DTEND:20130602T19 Hm, that's odd. Shouldn't those end with a 'Z' to indicate that they are in GMT? Then they'd be correct, right? The meeting was actually at 18:00 GMT? I'd like to see what we actually got back from the Exchange server for this event — can you show the XML you see in the calendar-factory output? From t:CalendarItem to /t:CalendarItem. -- dwmw2 smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
