[Evolution] Calendar-EWS generates zombies [evolution] defunct

2014-02-18 Thread Michael Felsberg
Hi,

I have been using Evolution with EWS on an exchange server 2010 for a
while. The calendar part has always been a bit instable, but not
systematically so. Recently, maybe with the update to 3.10.3, the
Calendar stopped working.

When I switch to the Calendar for the first time, I get two zombies
[evolution] defunct
The my calendar shows on the left but the main window does not show any
entries.
I can still use all other functionality from the exchange server, Mail,
Contacts, Tasks, Memos.

I have been looking through the archive, but I could not find any posts
for 3.10.3 generating [evolution] defunct.
I looked into the documentation to activate debugging, but I am not sure
which option (and how) to activate.

Anybody with similar problems or ideas how to solve this? I would really
appreciate this, as Evolution seems to be the only way to use Exchange
functionalities on Ubuntu (13.10).

/Michael


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Re: [Evolution] Calendar-EWS generates zombies [evolution] defunct

2014-02-18 Thread Pete Biggs

 
 When I switch to the Calendar for the first time, I get two zombies
 [evolution] defunct
 The my calendar shows on the left but the main window does not show any
 entries.

I'm using 3.10.3 on Fedora 20 and don't have any problems with EWS
dropping zombies.  I don't use Exchange extensively, but I mainly use it
for shared calendars.

 
 I have been looking through the archive, but I could not find any posts
 for 3.10.3 generating [evolution] defunct.
 I looked into the documentation to activate debugging, but I am not sure
 which option (and how) to activate.

From a terminal do

  EWS_DEBUG=2 evolution

I don't know why the EWS debugging things were omitted from

  https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Evolution/Debugging

 
 Anybody with similar problems or ideas how to solve this? I would really
 appreciate this, as Evolution seems to be the only way to use Exchange
 functionalities on Ubuntu (13.10).

EWS does work on Evo 3.10.3, it may be that there is something odd with
the specific configuration you are using (either at your end or the
Exchange end).  It may just be that you need to clean the cache/index
files - but I don't know enough about EWS and calendars to know if that
could be an issue.

If all else fails, then have a look at Davmail - it's a separate program
that runs on your own machine that provides standard port interfaces to
an Exchange server - i.e. you will see a CalDAV port locally that
connects to the Exchange calendar.  It's not perfect, but it works.

   http://davmail.sourceforge.net/

But it would be far better to work out why Evolution isn't doing the
correct thing.

P. 


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[Evolution] Open attached mails in separate window?

2014-02-18 Thread Emre Erenoglu
Hi,

I'm trying to open attached mails in Evolution (built from master, 1 week
ago), but Kmail is launched to display this attachment. (this is Kubuntu
13.10)

I know evolution displays the attached mails in a widget box below the mail
itself in the same reading window, but i don't want that since there are
mails with too many attached mails and it becomes a mess to pick  read.
Besides, those mails can also have attached emails inside them, so more
complexity. So i need the attached mails to open in a seperate Evolution
mail reader window.

Is this supported?

PS. these mail attachments seem not to contain any extension

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[Evolution] Open attached mails in seperate window?

2014-02-18 Thread Emre Erenoglu
Hi,

I'm trying to open attached mails in Evolution (built from master, 1 week
ago), but Kmail is launched to display this attachment. (this is Kubuntu
13.10)

I know evolution displays the attached mails in a widget box below the mail
itself in the same reading window, but i don't want that since there are
mails with too many attached mails and it becomes a mess to pick  read.
Besides, those mails can also have attached emails inside them, so more
complexity.

Is this supported?

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Re: [Evolution] How to run evolution without gnome-session?

2014-02-18 Thread erenoglu
On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 8:30 PM, Matthew Barnes [via Gnome Evolution -
General] ml-node+s1774414n4658633...@n4.nabble.com wrote:

 Clarification about NetworkManager:

 Evolution used to depend on NetworkManager for network status.  It
 doesn't anymore.  Network monitoring is now built directly into GLib,
 and that's what Evolution/EDS has been using since (I think) 3.6.

 I'm not exactly sure how GLib's network monitoring works.  The docs only
 state it's based on the kernel's netlink interface, but I think it works
 with or without NetworkManager installed.

 GLib also lets us test reachability of specific host names, so we can
 more gracefully handle scenarios like a disconnected VPN or switching
 WiFi networks.  Evolution 3.12 will take full advantage of this.


Matthew, it may not be related, but when I was compiling the master with
jhbuild on Ubuntu 13.10, it pulled  compiled NetworkManager as well.

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Re: [Evolution] Open attached mails in separate window?

2014-02-18 Thread Andre Klapper
On Tue, 2014-02-18 at 13:46 +0400, Emre Erenoglu wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I'm trying to open attached mails in Evolution (built from master, 1 week
 ago), but Kmail is launched to display this attachment. (this is Kubuntu
 13.10)

Did you try changing the default application handler for that MIME type
in the settings of your desktop? Looks like it is set to Kmail
currently.

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[Evolution] flagging message (Mark For Follow Up) not working

2014-02-18 Thread Rudy van Eijsden
Dear all,

I have recently upgraded from Evolution 3.8.3 to 3.11.3.
I am on Ubuntu Gnome 13.10.

Since the upgrade, I am unable to see and create message flags, i.e.
Mark for Folluw Up. The menu for marking for folluw up opens, I make
my choices, and click OK. However, nothing happens.
Previously I had created a search folder to collect al the messages that
were marked for follow up. This search folder now shows no messages at
all anymore.
Can I do something to fix this?

Best regards,
Rudy.

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Re: [Evolution] Open attached mails in separate window?

2014-02-18 Thread Emre Erenoglu
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Andre Klapper ak...@gmx.net wrote:

 On Tue, 2014-02-18 at 13:46 +0400, Emre Erenoglu wrote:
  Hi,
 
  I'm trying to open attached mails in Evolution (built from master, 1 week
  ago), but Kmail is launched to display this attachment. (this is Kubuntu
  13.10)

 Did you try changing the default application handler for that MIME type
 in the settings of your desktop? Looks like it is set to Kmail
 currently.


Thanks Andre. I will try this. But how can evolution launch a window for a
mail? When I tried to launch it with a paremeter to a mail file (ending
with .eml), it did not launch.

Of course, my sistem is very fragile due to jhbuild environment, evolution
can't launch alone and needs jhbuild run dbus-launch --exit-with-session
evolution command to launch. So maybe this is also related.

Not sure how I can add this to a MIME type as an open command.

Br,
Emre
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Re: [Evolution] How to run evolution without gnome-session?

2014-02-18 Thread Andre Klapper
On Mon, 2014-02-17 at 11:21 -0800, erenoglu wrote:
 On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 8:30 PM, Matthew Barnes [via Gnome Evolution -
 General] ml-node+s1774414n4658633...@n4.nabble.com wrote:
 
  Clarification about NetworkManager:
 
  Evolution used to depend on NetworkManager for network status.  It
  doesn't anymore.  Network monitoring is now built directly into GLib,
  and that's what Evolution/EDS has been using since (I think) 3.6.
 
  I'm not exactly sure how GLib's network monitoring works.  The docs only
  state it's based on the kernel's netlink interface, but I think it works
  with or without NetworkManager installed.
 
  GLib also lets us test reachability of specific host names, so we can
  more gracefully handle scenarios like a disconnected VPN or switching
  WiFi networks.  Evolution 3.12 will take full advantage of this.
 
 
 Matthew, it may not be related, but when I was compiling the master with
 jhbuild on Ubuntu 13.10, it pulled  compiled NetworkManager as well.

No, not related. You can also build any other network management
frontend, but you likely need one at least, and NM is the GNOME default.
Plus package dependencies can have package dependencies themselves...

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Re: [Evolution] flagging message (Mark For Follow Up) not working

2014-02-18 Thread Pete Biggs

 
 I have recently upgraded from Evolution 3.8.3 to 3.11.3.
 I am on Ubuntu Gnome 13.10.

You do realise that 3.11.x are development releases?  And 3.11.3 is an
old one at that - the current development release is 3.11.90 and the
stable release is 3.10.4.

In any answer you get you will most likely be told to upgrade to the
most recent development release to see if it fixes it.  If you are going
to play with non-stable versions, you really must use the most recent
one and keep updating as new releases come out.  If you don't want to do
that then you should stick to the stable ones.

P.

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Re: [Evolution] flagging message (Mark For Follow Up) not working

2014-02-18 Thread Milan Crha
On Tue, 2014-02-18 at 11:18 +0100, Rudy van Eijsden wrote:
 Can I do something to fix this?

Hi,
as Pete said, get the most recent development version, current 3.11.90
has been released on Monday.

From your description I'd guess that you face
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=720751
which has been fixed for 3.11.90/3.10.4.
Bye,
Milan

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Re: [Evolution] Issues accessing gmail (IMAP+)?

2014-02-18 Thread Paul Smith
On Mon, 2014-02-17 at 07:48 -0500, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
 I have been told that they rate-limit IMAP and SMTP connections [I
 have not authoritative citation for this].  But if it is true and you
 are polling too frequently that could explain notification brown-outs.

I don't think this is it, unless Evo is somehow polling a lot more
frequently than before: I don't notice this behavior on my other system
running Evo 3.6.4 accessing the exact same account.

For example this morning I got up (my system was running overnight) and
I see that my ISP IMAP mailbox is full of stuff, but my gmail mailbox is
empty.  This seems unlikely, and sure enough if I start gmail I see I
have 3 emails, the earliest of which appeared at 12:01am (8 hours ago).

And yet, no amount of clicking Send/Receive in Evolution gets it to
notice those emails.

I have exactly the same receive options checked as Patrick (I think this
is the default and I haven't changed the default).


Let me ask this: is there something special that Evolution does if it
detects that the account is on GMail, by looking at the email address to
see if it's @gmail.com?

Because here's the thing: I have a company email account hosted by
gmail.  So it's a gmail account and I use the normal gmail IMAP
settings, but the email address is not @gmail.com it's something else.
This account is the one having problems with Evolution 3.11.

But I also have a personal gmail account @gmail.com and as far as I can
tell this one works OK.

Of course another possibility is that somehow Evolution's database for
that account is corrupted or similar, and it's not related to gmail at
all.  I tried vacuuming it the other day and it worked fine (no errors)
for what it's worth.

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[Evolution] Best Distribution to self compile master?

2014-02-18 Thread Emre Erenoglu
Hi,

I'm using Ubuntu 13.10. Using Evolution self compiled master built by
jhbuild is a bit problematic, due to dbus, etc and the too many packages it
pulls through when building Evo.
Therefore, I can give a try to different distributions.

Is there a distribution that carries the latest versions of dependencies of
Evo 3.12 (incl webkit), so that I can self-compile it without jhbuild? I
shall be forced to replace only few system packages to prevent instability
of the base system.

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Re: [Evolution] Evolution 3.10 very much slower than 3.8

2014-02-18 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On 17 February 2014 16:01, Graham Murray gmur...@webwayone.co.uk wrote:
 
  Just for the hell of it, try cleaning the SQL database:
 
  1) Shut down Evo completely
  2) Run:
  cd ~/.cache/.evolution/mail/

 That should be ~/.cache/evolution/mail/

 The vacuum failed saying the database was corrupt. So I deleted it and
 when restarting evolution it took a long time to catch up with
 everything but is now running at normal speed again.

Yes, it would need to download a lot of stuff to create new indexes.
Glad to hear it worked out.

poc
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Re: [Evolution] Issues accessing gmail (IMAP+)?

2014-02-18 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On 18 February 2014 13:23, Paul Smith p...@mad-scientist.net wrote:
 Because here's the thing: I have a company email account hosted by
 gmail.  So it's a gmail account and I use the normal gmail IMAP
 settings, but the email address is not @gmail.com it's something else.
 This account is the one having problems with Evolution 3.11.

 But I also have a personal gmail account @gmail.com and as far as I can
 tell this one works OK.

One of my accounts is @gmail.com. The other is this account, which is
on Google Apps for Education. AFAIK that's the same as a commercial
Google account. Could there be an issue with account management? Gapps
allows the local administrator to integrate a local account management
system with Google's, provide his own landing page etc. I don't
remember if he can also channel IMAP traffic through his own filters,
e.g. for spam control, but there might be something going on there.
Sorry I can't be more specific.

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Re: [Evolution] Issues accessing gmail (IMAP+)?

2014-02-18 Thread Paul Smith
On Tue, 2014-02-18 at 15:57 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
 On 18 February 2014 13:23, Paul Smith p...@mad-scientist.net wrote:
  Because here's the thing: I have a company email account hosted by
  gmail.  So it's a gmail account and I use the normal gmail IMAP
  settings, but the email address is not @gmail.com it's something else.
  This account is the one having problems with Evolution 3.11.
 
  But I also have a personal gmail account @gmail.com and as far as I can
  tell this one works OK.
 
 One of my accounts is @gmail.com. The other is this account, which is
 on Google Apps for Education. AFAIK that's the same as a commercial
 Google account. Could there be an issue with account management? Gapps
 allows the local administrator to integrate a local account management
 system with Google's, provide his own landing page etc. I don't
 remember if he can also channel IMAP traffic through his own filters,
 e.g. for spam control, but there might be something going on there.
 Sorry I can't be more specific.

It's certainly possible.  But I keep coming back to the fact that my
Evolution 3.6 installation seems to work fine, while my Evolution 3.11
installation has this problem constantly.

This leads me to suspect some change in 3.11 (or anyway, subsequent to
3.6) rather than something inherent in the account.  Or at least a
combination of the two.

Can someone point me to the docs on how to generate debug/logging output
from the IMAP client?  ISTR this came up just recently but I can't
locate anything about it now via Google etc.

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Re: [Evolution] Best Distribution to self compile master?

2014-02-18 Thread Matthew Barnes
On Tue, 2014-02-18 at 19:02 +0400, Emre Erenoglu wrote:
 Is there a distribution that carries the latest versions of
 dependencies of Evo 3.12 (incl webkit), so that I can self-compile it
 without jhbuild? I shall be forced to replace only few system packages
 to prevent instability of the base system.

I do most of my Evolution development on Debian Stable, cherry-picking
newer libraries as needed from Debian Testing, and occasionally build
(optional) bleeding-edge dependencies straight from git.

I don't use jhbuild, I install built source code to a prefix under my
home directory so as not to affect system stability, and I run the EDS
D-Bus services manually from that install prefix.

If I can do all that on a distro as conservative as Debian, then any
reasonably modern distro should be fine, including Ubuntu.  Failing
that, I guess I'd recommend Fedora.  But it really shouldn't matter.

Matthew Barnes


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Re: [Evolution] Issues accessing gmail (IMAP+)?

2014-02-18 Thread Matthew Barnes
On Tue, 2014-02-18 at 11:12 -0500, Paul Smith wrote:
 Can someone point me to the docs on how to generate debug/logging output
 from the IMAP client?  ISTR this came up just recently but I can't
 locate anything about it now via Google etc.

https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Evolution/Debugging#IMAP

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Re: [Evolution] Issues accessing gmail (IMAP+)?

2014-02-18 Thread Paul Smith
On Tue, 2014-02-18 at 11:15 -0500, Matthew Barnes wrote:
 On Tue, 2014-02-18 at 11:12 -0500, Paul Smith wrote:
  Can someone point me to the docs on how to generate debug/logging output
  from the IMAP client?  ISTR this came up just recently but I can't
  locate anything about it now via Google etc.
 
 https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Evolution/Debugging#IMAP

Thanks, that's great.  Is there a way to find this page if you don't
know it already?

For example I went to https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Evolution and searched
for debug and no hits...

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Re: [Evolution] Issues accessing gmail (IMAP+)?

2014-02-18 Thread Matthew Barnes
On Tue, 2014-02-18 at 11:18 -0500, Paul Smith wrote:
 Thanks, that's great.  Is there a way to find this page if you don't
 know it already?
 
 For example I went to https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Evolution and searched
 for debug and no hits...

Good point.  I added a link to
https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Evolution#Developer_Resources



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Re: [Evolution] Issues accessing gmail (IMAP+)?

2014-02-18 Thread Paul Smith
On Tue, 2014-02-18 at 12:02 -0500, Matthew Barnes wrote:
 On Tue, 2014-02-18 at 11:18 -0500, Paul Smith wrote:
  Thanks, that's great.  Is there a way to find this page if you don't
  know it already?
  
  For example I went to https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Evolution and searched
  for debug and no hits...
 
 Good point.  I added a link to
 https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Evolution#Developer_Resources

Sweet; thanks Matthew.

I'll do some debugging on the IMAPX connection on my system at home
tonight and see if I can provide any details about what's going on with
this issue.

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Re: [Evolution] debugging IMAP

2014-02-18 Thread Paul Smith
On Tue, 2014-02-18 at 13:00 -0500, Rick Leir wrote:
 I am debugging an installation of version 2.28.3 (don't ask) and am
 getting almost no output from
   $ CAMEL_DEBUG=imapx:io evolution
 
 Was there a different debug setting for this vintage of Evolution?

I don't remember IMAPX even being available in Evo that old.  Is your
mail account set to use IMAP or IMAPX (IMAP+)?

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Re: [Evolution] debugging IMAP

2014-02-18 Thread Rick Leir
On Tue, 2014-02-18 at 11:15 -0500, Matthew Barnes wrote:

 On Tue, 2014-02-18 at 11:12 -0500, Paul Smith wrote:
  Can someone point me to the docs on how to generate debug/logging output
  from the IMAP client?  ISTR this came up just recently but I can't
  locate anything about it now via Google etc.
 
 https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Evolution/Debugging#IMAP
 
 _


I am debugging an installation of version 2.28.3 (don't ask) and am
getting almost no output from
  $ CAMEL_DEBUG=imapx:io evolution

Was there a different debug setting for this vintage of Evolution?
Thanks
Rick

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Re: [Evolution] debugging IMAP

2014-02-18 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On 18 February 2014 18:00, Rick Leir rl...@cirruscomputing.com wrote:

 I am debugging an installation of version 2.28.3 (don't ask) and am
 getting almost no output from
   $ CAMEL_DEBUG=imapx:io evolution

 Was there a different debug setting for this vintage of Evolution?


IIRC IMAPX wasn't supported then, just IMAP. But I may be wrong.

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Re: [Evolution] debugging IMAP

2014-02-18 Thread Rick Leir
On Tue, 2014-02-18 at 13:03 -0500, Paul Smith wrote: 

 On Tue, 2014-02-18 at 13:00 -0500, Rick Leir wrote:
  I am debugging an installation of version 2.28.3 (don't ask) and am
  getting almost no output from
$ CAMEL_DEBUG=imapx:io evolution
  
  Was there a different debug setting for this vintage of Evolution?
 
 I don't remember IMAPX even being available in Evo that old.  Is your
 mail account set to use IMAP or IMAPX (IMAP+)?
 
 

Preferences - Account Editor - Receiving Email shows IMAP not IMAPX.
I do not see an option for IMAP+.

I tried 
 $ CAMEL_DEBUG=imap:io evolution


Now there is one line of output, when I choose a draft message and edit-as-new:
  restoring draft flag 'text/html'


Thanks
Rick

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Re: [Evolution] debugging IMAP

2014-02-18 Thread Matthew Barnes
On Tue, 2014-02-18 at 13:26 -0500, Rick Leir wrote:
 Preferences - Account Editor - Receiving Email shows IMAP not IMAPX.
 I do not see an option for IMAP+.

IMAPX was introduced in version 2.32, IIRC.

The old IMAP backend that you're stuck with has since been dropped.

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Re: [Evolution] debugging IMAP

2014-02-18 Thread Rick Leir
On Tue, 2014-02-18 at 19:41 +0100, Andre Klapper wrote:

 On Tue, 2014-02-18 at 13:00 -0500, Rick Leir wrote:
  I am debugging an installation of version 2.28.3 (don't ask) and am
  getting almost no output from
$ CAMEL_DEBUG=imapx:io evolution
  
  Was there a different debug setting for this vintage of Evolution?
 
 https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnomeweb-wml/tree/projects.gnome.org/evolution/bugs.shtml#n28
 
 andre

Thanks. Yikes, this gives lots of output:
  $ CAMEL_DEBUG=all evolution

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Re: [Evolution] Best Distribution to self compile master?

2014-02-18 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Hi Emre,

Arch Linux [1] is a rolling release providing binary packages with
latest stable versions from upstream. The packages are also available in
a FreeBSD port like way [2], IOW you easily can edit the so called
PKGBUILD and compile recent development versions.

[1] https://www.archlinux.org/
[2] https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_Build_System

Those versions from git etc. might be available at AUR.

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_User_Repository

The mailing list:
https://mailman.archlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/arch-general

Note! If you post in HTML, top post, don't trim posts, ask dumb
questions or don't do serious research by yourself, you likely will get
banned from this list, at least you would be ignored. Nobody would
discuss top posting, HTML etc., you can't behave as people usually do on
*buntu mailing lists.


Arch Linux isn't *buntu, there is no installer that set up a complete
Linux user space with X and a desktop and applications.

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Installation_guide

Arch Linux does follow the KISS principle.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KISS_principle


Join the Wiki.

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_Linux


Don't use Manjaro or something that is based on Arch Linux.

http://distrowatch.com/


Regards,
Ralf






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Re: [Evolution] Best Distribution to self compile master?

2014-02-18 Thread Andre Klapper
On Tue, 2014-02-18 at 20:50 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
 Join the Wiki.
 Don't use Manjaro or something that is based on Arch Linux.

As Matthew's posting already summarized it pretty well I hope that there
won't be thirty more folks on this mailing list advertising their
favorite distribution(s)...

andre
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[Evolution] Many mails never reach the recipients - Evolution 3.10.4

2014-02-18 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Hi,

very often, several times each day, when neither Evolution reports an
issue, nor postmaster informs me about issues, even not after days,
mails I sent by POP/SMPT accounts never reach recipients. I definitively
know that some recipients never refused my mails, they never banned me
and others at least informed when a provider was blackhole listed.

What could cause this issue?
I don't care about mailing lists, but it's important to know if business
correspondence reaches the recipient and there's no way to know this.
Many ignore request read receipt and there is nor archive that could
be checked.

 An example 
From: Ralf Mardorf
To: evolution-list@gnome.org
Subject: Re: [Evolution] Best Distribution to self compile master?
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 21:25:46 +0100
    SURE, THIS IS JUST 1 HOUR AGO, BUT
   SINCE I EXPERIENCE THIS ISSUE VERY OFTEN AND
   MAILS THAT COME THOUGH USUALLY ONLY NEED A VIEW
   SECONDS I DECIDED TO ASK RIGHT NOW
Mailer: Evolution 3.10.4 

On Tue, 2014-02-18 at 21:10 +0100, Andre Klapper wrote:
 As Matthew's posting already summarized it pretty well I hope that
 there won't be thirty more folks on this mailing list advertising their
 favorite distribution(s)...

You missed the point. The OP has got an Evolution related question about
compiling and the advice to use a distro that comes with e.g. a FreeBSD
like port system or another source code based build system has less to
do with what distro is the one somebody or I prefer.

Regards,
Ralf

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Re: [Evolution] Best Distribution to self compile master?

2014-02-18 Thread Emre Erenoglu
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 8:13 PM, Matthew Barnes mbar...@redhat.com wrote:

 On Tue, 2014-02-18 at 19:02 +0400, Emre Erenoglu wrote:
  Is there a distribution that carries the latest versions of
  dependencies of Evo 3.12 (incl webkit), so that I can self-compile it
  without jhbuild? I shall be forced to replace only few system packages
  to prevent instability of the base system.

 I do most of my Evolution development on Debian Stable, cherry-picking
 newer libraries as needed from Debian Testing, and occasionally build
 (optional) bleeding-edge dependencies straight from git.

 I don't use jhbuild, I install built source code to a prefix under my
 home directory so as not to affect system stability, and I run the EDS
 D-Bus services manually from that install prefix.


Thanks Matthew for your time, hope you would have little more time to
respond to the below as well :)

I tried this in Ubuntu but it started complaining about tons of
dependencies to replace in the system, starting from Gnome3 related
packages, webkit, fontconfig, glib, gnutls, gobject-introspection,
gstreamer, gtk+, gvfs, libnotify, libsoup, librest, pango, polkit, etc.
 etc.  Maybe these are not all needed...

However, your message gave me new energy to try again :)  Maybe I can start
on a beta Ubuntu 14.04 and try over there.

So do I understand right that you configure stuff with;
configure --prefix=$HOME/local  (for example), and then add built library
paths to LD_LIBRARY_PATH before launching evo?
Also, how do you launch the ESD D-Bus services manually?

Thanks a lot,
Br,
Emre
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