Re: [Evolution] Errors receiving mail via POP
They use POP because they do not want their mail residing on someone else's computer. Hmm, all my mail resides on my own computers and I use IMAP. (Well, I have a gmail account somewhere, but that's the only one!) I know it passes through other systems, but I have some messages that reside for long periods of time in various email folders for various reasons. And, I feel a lot more secure doing so. I have mail going back to the early 90s. I feel much happier that my mail resides on a server somewhere rather than on a desktop computer - it just feels right that it is in a physically secure place, in a controlled environment and backed up daily. If I lose my phone, or my iPad, or my laptop, I don't need to worry about my email accounts. Besides, 90 percent of the problems I see here have to do with IMAP. I've been using POP for years and years and have very, very little trouble. So, count me among the POP fans. I suspect that 90% of the problems reported are with IMAP because 90% of people use IMAP. Basically POP is a method of getting your mail from a server and on to your own computer. That's it. That's all it does. All the POP implementation on Evo does is to stick the mail into your On this computer folders and then plays with it from there. If, theoretically, Evo abandoned it's POP components and you had an external method of doing the same thing, would that be a workable thing for you? [Please note, I am not a dev, there is no such proposal, I am not proposing it.] P. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Errors receiving mail via POP
On Wed, 2014-09-03 at 10:26 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote: snip I suspect that 90% of the problems reported are with IMAP because 90% of people use IMAP. I'm not so sure. Most of the people I know use web mail. They do everything through their browser. Is that IMAP? I want no part of that! Basically POP is a method of getting your mail from a server and on to your own computer. That's it. That's all it does. No, not quite. You're forgetting the deletion part of the process! POP does exactly what I want it to do! If it is text, fine. If it is HTML, fine! If it has an embedded image, fine. If it has an attachment, fine! Send it to me and I, or rather my mail client, will decide what to do with it. All the POP implementation on Evo does is to stick the mail into your On this computer folders and then plays with it from there. Exactly! And, it does it very well, thank you. If, theoretically, Evo abandoned it's POP components and you had an external method of doing the same thing, would that be a workable thing for you? [Please note, I am not a dev, there is no such proposal, I am not proposing it.] Why, why, why is everyone so intent on making me, and others like me, change a system we are perfectly happy with, to one you think is Better? NO! It would not be to my liking! I would not like an external system that I would have to set up and make additional efforts to download things that are already downloaded via POP, or send a bunch of commands to some computer somewhere, which will record everything I do, which messages go where, which folders I create, which ones I delete, what type of messages I keep, and then sell all this info to some company, or give it to some govt agency. Evolution is, and has been for a long time, my mail client of choice. It downloads messages from 17 POP accounts, puts them in folders as determined by the filters I created, and lets me read and reply to them. I really like Evolution even though it contains a bunch of stuff I don't use... like the calendar... and the memos... and Tasks and Microsoft Outlook connectivity and... and... and... Oh! IMAP! :) Leave my POP alone! Now. I'm done. Bart ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Errors receiving mail via POP
Why do people still use POP [...]? Because of the issues I experienced when using IMAP, such as receiving the messages two times. I never run into such evil issues when using POP. Once there are multiple copies of hundreds of emails in your private email archive, you can't get rid of those. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Errors receiving mail via POP
On Tue, 2014-09-02 at 09:37 -0400, Robert Seward wrote: I prefer POP with Evolution because it is more stable for me than IMAP. About half my accounts are POP and half are IMAP. +1 +1 None of my accounts is IMAP anymore :p. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Errors receiving mail via POP
On Wed, 2014-09-03 at 04:34 -0600, Bart wrote: On Wed, 2014-09-03 at 10:26 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote: snip I suspect that 90% of the problems reported are with IMAP because 90% of people use IMAP. I'm not so sure. Most of the people I know use web mail. They do everything through their browser. Is that IMAP? I want no part of that! I think Pete was talking about the problems reported on this list. People using webmail systems are not talking about them here because it wouldn't be appropriate (for the record, I also use Gmail for a lot of casual mailing, but it's not good at managing mailing lists). [...] Why, why, why is everyone so intent on making me, and others like me, change a system we are perfectly happy with, to one you think is Better? We aren't. No-one is proposing to remove POP support from Evo. The question is how much effort the devels should put into it at the expense of other things such as fixing IMAP problems. poc ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Errors receiving mail via POP
On Wed, 2014-09-03 at 13:28 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Why do people still use POP [...]? Because of the issues I experienced when using IMAP, such as receiving the messages two times. I never run into such evil issues when using POP. Once there are multiple copies of hundreds of emails in your private email archive, you can't get rid of those. And I've never experienced them with IMAP, so it would appear that your problem is either with the server side or with something in your Evo configuration. poc ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Errors receiving mail via POP
On Wed, 2014-09-03 at 13:28 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Why do people still use POP [...]? Because of the issues I experienced when using IMAP, such as receiving the messages two times. I never run into such evil issues when using POP. Once there are multiple copies of hundreds of emails in your private email archive, you can't get rid of those. POP was always much more prone to duplicating emails because of the way the message IDs are used in POP. It's why all the dedup plugins/programs/protocols were created. I've never heard of a problem of IMAP duplicating emails and, knowing how the protocol works, I can't see how it can! The view you see in your mailbox is what is on the server, so something else must be duplicating the mails. You may have seen a problem when using an IMAP server, but it's not an IMAP protocol issue per se. P. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] [Bulk] Re: Errors receiving mail via POP
On Tue, 2014-09-02 at 15:32 -0600, Bart wrote: So download it to your own computer using fetchmail or offline IMAP mode (or just dragging it between folders). IMAP doesn't force you to leave it on a server. There is no feature of POP which IMAP does not also have. Why perform an additional step? POP does that for me. While I'm pro POP and against IMAP I anyway have to disagree, you need to set up POP too, if you want that the mails are deleted on the server. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Errors receiving mail via POP
On Wed, 2014-09-03 at 12:45 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote: On Wed, 2014-09-03 at 13:28 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Why do people still use POP [...]? Because of the issues I experienced when using IMAP, such as receiving the messages two times. I never run into such evil issues when using POP. Once there are multiple copies of hundreds of emails in your private email archive, you can't get rid of those. POP was always much more prone to duplicating emails because of the way the message IDs are used in POP. It's why all the dedup plugins/programs/protocols were created. I've never heard of a problem of IMAP duplicating emails and, knowing how the protocol works, I can't see how it can! The view you see in your mailbox is what is on the server, so something else must be duplicating the mails. You may have seen a problem when using an IMAP server, but it's not an IMAP protocol issue per se. To be fair, I experienced the duplicated emails issue for POP too, when I tested KMail, but never with Evolution. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
[Evolution] What could be wrong?
Greetings, I have been using Evolution (E) for years. Lately I am having it freeze. This morning, I was in email and clicked on calendar and E froze. I quickly brought up my system monitor, my 4 cores on the processor usage increased to near maximum and then the percentage of usage starts to go down as the memory usage increases. As memory usage gets near maximum (3.1 GB) the 4 cores usage drop to about 5% which is normal. Swap is running at 50% usage. The computer at this stage is very unresponsive but I try to go in and kill the E process. Very long wait for a response but it does kill the process and all goes back to near normal. If at this point, I start E again the process above is repeated. The only way I have found to stop E totally is reboot and after boot E acts as it should. I am running SolydX. AMD Phenom II processor. 4gb RAM. Swap 4gb 64gb SSD drive. POP3 What is wrong? What can I do? Thanks for any replies. I have tried many times to go to another email client but E gives me the best results except for this now freezing problem. Thanks in advance, Don PS - As the word on the street is, all email clients suck but this one sucks less. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Print size
On Tue, 2014-09-02 at 15:16 +0200, Andre Klapper wrote: On Mon, 2014-09-01 at 11:54 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: The program rints with letters that are very large. How can the print size be adjusted? Evolution version information, whether you talk about email (HTML? plain text?) or calendars or address books, what very large means (a small screenshot with less than 40kb is very welcome) and what your default font settings are on your unnamed distribution with its unnamed desktop environment are all pieces of information that are welcome. Ok,, I am properly chastised. I am in fc20 under Gnome , and evolution-3.10.4-3.fc20.i686.Display 1920x1280. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What could be wrong?
On Wed, 2014-09-03 at 08:30 -0400, Donald Sowers wrote: Greetings, I have been using Evolution (E) for years. Lately I am having it freeze. This morning, I was in email and clicked on calendar and E froze. I quickly brought up my system monitor, my 4 cores on the processor usage increased to near maximum and then the percentage of usage starts to go down as the memory usage increases. As memory usage gets near maximum (3.1 GB) the 4 cores usage drop to about 5% which is normal. Swap is running at 50% usage. The computer at this stage is very unresponsive but I try to go in and kill the E process. Very long wait for a response but it does kill the process and all goes back to near normal. If at this point, I start E again the process above is repeated. The only way I have found to stop E totally is reboot and after boot E acts as it should. I am running SolydX. AMD Phenom II processor. 4gb RAM. Swap 4gb 64gb SSD drive. POP3 What is wrong? What can I do? Thanks for any replies. I have tried many times to go to another email client but E gives me the best results except for this now freezing problem. Hi, what is your evolution version, please? You can run evolution as: $ evolution -c mail which opens in a Mail view, which is not freezing your system. By the way, the freeze/slowdown of the system is due to high swap use. Please install debuginfo packages for evolution-data-serer and evolution, then see which processes are using the CPU (it can be evolution, or evolution-calendar-factory in this case) and then get a backtrace of that one with gdb command: $ gdb --batch --ex t a a bt -pid=`pidof evolution` bt.txt Please check the bt.txt for any private information, like passwords, email address, server addresses,... I usually search for pass at least (quotes for clarity only). Then it can be searched whether the issue is known or new. As you get this when switching to a Calendar view, what Calendars, Memo lists and Task lists do you have configured? On This Computer/Personal is a default one for each of them. Bye, Milan ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What could be wrong?
Thanks Milan, Sorry, running 3.12.2 And sorry again, I am not a linux tinkerer but just a user. I will have to really think about how to do what you have asked. Maybe I can.. but then again. I am not sure if just trying to switch to calendar gave the freeze. Other times it will freeze for no apparent reason. I will be sitting doing something else (not working with E) and I notice that the CPU fan starts running harder so I check the monitor and the CPUs are at maximum and E is the only process running but it is running at maximum. Again a reboot will fix it. It doesn't do this too often. Every day or so. I am going to have to learn the error log system on linux. Thanks, Don On Wed, 2014-09-03 at 14:40 +0200, Milan Crha wrote: On Wed, 2014-09-03 at 08:30 -0400, Donald Sowers wrote: Greetings, I have been using Evolution (E) for years. Lately I am having it freeze. This morning, I was in email and clicked on calendar and E froze. I quickly brought up my system monitor, my 4 cores on the processor usage increased to near maximum and then the percentage of usage starts to go down as the memory usage increases. As memory usage gets near maximum (3.1 GB) the 4 cores usage drop to about 5% which is normal. Swap is running at 50% usage. The computer at this stage is very unresponsive but I try to go in and kill the E process. Very long wait for a response but it does kill the process and all goes back to near normal. If at this point, I start E again the process above is repeated. The only way I have found to stop E totally is reboot and after boot E acts as it should. I am running SolydX. AMD Phenom II processor. 4gb RAM. Swap 4gb 64gb SSD drive. POP3 What is wrong? What can I do? Thanks for any replies. I have tried many times to go to another email client but E gives me the best results except for this now freezing problem. Hi, what is your evolution version, please? You can run evolution as: $ evolution -c mail which opens in a Mail view, which is not freezing your system. By the way, the freeze/slowdown of the system is due to high swap use. Please install debuginfo packages for evolution-data-serer and evolution, then see which processes are using the CPU (it can be evolution, or evolution-calendar-factory in this case) and then get a backtrace of that one with gdb command: $ gdb --batch --ex t a a bt -pid=`pidof evolution` bt.txt Please check the bt.txt for any private information, like passwords, email address, server addresses,... I usually search for pass at least (quotes for clarity only). Then it can be searched whether the issue is known or new. As you get this when switching to a Calendar view, what Calendars, Memo lists and Task lists do you have configured? On This Computer/Personal is a default one for each of them. Bye, Milan ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Errors receiving mail via POP
On 9/3/2014 5:45 AM, Pete Biggs wrote: I've never heard of a problem of IMAP duplicating emails and, knowing how the protocol works, I can't see how it can! The protocol won't, but servers and clients will. I've had Thunderbird (old version, now fixed) time out while copying large numbers of email messages from one folder to another. This resulted in copies of the message in both folders, because it didn't delete the messages until the copy was complete. I've also had the server lose delete flags on abnormal client shutdown, which means that messages copied to another folder get resurrected, resulting in two. And when the filter runs again on next client startup, more copies are created. So yeah, IMAP can make copies happen. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What could be wrong?
On Wed, 2014-09-03 at 09:12 -0400, Donald Sowers wrote: I am going to have to learn the error log system on linux. Not really, just copy and paste the Shell command Milan already posted, then collect the results and send them (after making sure there's no password or other sensitive information in them). (Also, please don't top-post on this list.) poc ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Errors receiving mail via POP
On Wed, 2014-09-03 at 10:22 -0600, Zan Lynx wrote: On 9/3/2014 5:45 AM, Pete Biggs wrote: I've never heard of a problem of IMAP duplicating emails and, knowing how the protocol works, I can't see how it can! The protocol won't, but servers and clients will. I've had Thunderbird (old version, now fixed) time out while copying large numbers of email messages from one folder to another. This resulted in copies of the message in both folders, because it didn't delete the messages until the copy was complete. I've also had the server lose delete flags on abnormal client shutdown, which means that messages copied to another folder get resurrected, resulting in two. And when the filter runs again on next client startup, more copies are created. So yeah, IMAP can make copies happen. No, IMAP can't - there's nothing in the protocol specification that would lead to a duplication of emails. The implementation of the protocol is a different matter - in fact the problems you mention are totally protocol independent. Bad things can happen when using IMAP but they aren't necessarily IMAP's fault. P. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Errors receiving mail via POP
On Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Tue, 2014-09-02 at 22:19 +0200, Ángel González wrote: Moreover, that emails can be searched without a warrant in the US (where most email companies are) unless you haven't read it and it is newer than 180 days. It's worse than that. In a current case Microsoft is being sued by the US to present email messages that are stored in its servers in Ireland: http://www.irishtimes.com/business/sectors/technology/eu-rebukes-us-over-microsoft-email-in-first-test-of-privacy-1.1850750 poc Thanks for the link, I didn't know about that case. I was however thinking in the possibility of a case like that when writing 'email companies' instead of 'emails'. It's hard to just give the point without adding a big paragraph explaining for the many ramifications. :) ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
