Re: [Evolution] Problem with character encoding?

[Bjørn T Johansen]

On 17.02.2017 23:21, Pete Biggs wrote:

> The other thing I noticed is that you are using an Exchange server. How
> are you connecting to it? Is TB using the same method?
>

No, I am using EWS for Evolution and ExQuilla for Thunderbird.


But ExQuilla is an EWS plugin for Thunderbird, so they are both using
the same mechanism for retrieving the mails. (It's not beyond belief
that Exchange could present subtly different message content between
EWS and IMAP!)

P.


Yes, you are of course right, they are both using EWS...

BTJ
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Re: [Evolution] Problem with character encoding?

[Pete Biggs]

> > The other thing I noticed is that you are using an Exchange server. How
> > are you connecting to it? Is TB using the same method?
> > 
> 
> No, I am using EWS for Evolution and ExQuilla for Thunderbird.

But ExQuilla is an EWS plugin for Thunderbird, so they are both using
the same mechanism for retrieving the mails. (It's not beyond belief
that Exchange could present subtly different message content between
EWS and IMAP!)

P.
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Re: [Evolution] Problem with character encoding?

[Bjørn T Johansen]

On 17.02.2017 14:54, Zan Lynx wrote:

On 2/17/2017 5:17 AM, Pete Biggs wrote:

Yes, if I choose ISO-8859-1 instead of default, which is UTF-8, then
everything looks ok except for the subject..

Could you show us the source of the message - removing any personal
information of course. We would need to see the mime structure of the
message and any headers relating to character encoding.


So it's better but not 100%. Also, shouldn't Evolution figure this
out by itself or? (at least since Thunderbird does..)

Well Thunderbird is Thunderbird and Evolution isn't!  It could be down
to assumptions that TB makes that Evo doesn't or some error in the 
mime

structure that TB accepts but Evo doesn't.


Thunderbird has a "Fallback Encoding" which is set per folder. You can
right-click on a folder and change it in Properties.

If the message specifies an encoding, that takes over unless you
change it in View. You can also go into Options, Display, Formatting,
Advanced, and change the defaults there. Unicode UTF-8 has been the
default sender encoding in Thunderbird for a while.

So the differences are just because Evolution is defaulting to UTF-8
and Thunderbird to ISO-8859-1 for messages that don't specify their
encoding.

A quick Google shows this for changing it in Evolution:
https://help.gnome.org/users/evolution/stable/mail-displaying-character-encodings.html.en


Thx for the explanation, did not know that.

BTJ
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Re: [Evolution] Problem with character encoding?

[Bjørn T Johansen]

On 17.02.2017 13:55, Pete Biggs wrote:




The other thing I noticed is that you are using an Exchange server. How
are you connecting to it? Is TB using the same method?



No, I am using EWS for Evolution and ExQuilla for Thunderbird.
But thx for checking it out..

BTJ
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Re: [Evolution] help - Opening of attachment (e-mail) in new window

[Andre Klapper]

On Fri, 2017-02-17 at 16:08 +0100, Afrah FADILI wrote:
> When I receive an e-mail as an attachment, I want to open it in a new
> window (outside the initial window). Can you help me please?

You already asked this on Wednesday and your email received an answer.

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Re: [Evolution] Problem with character encoding?

[Pete Biggs]

> Thunderbird has a "Fallback Encoding" which is set per folder. You can 
> right-click on a folder and change it in Properties.
> 
> If the message specifies an encoding, that takes over unless you change 
> it in View. You can also go into Options, Display, Formatting, Advanced, 
> and change the defaults there. Unicode UTF-8 has been the default sender 
> encoding in Thunderbird for a while.
> 
> So the differences are just because Evolution is defaulting to UTF-8 and 
> Thunderbird to ISO-8859-1 for messages that don't specify their encoding.
> 
> A quick Google shows this for changing it in Evolution:
> https://help.gnome.org/users/evolution/stable/mail-displaying-character-encodings.html.en
> 

That would be the same as 

Help -> Contents -> Mail Management -> Display of a Message ->
Character Encodings 

within Evolution.

P.
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Re: [Evolution] Problem with character encoding?

[Trond Husø]

On fr., 2017-02-17 at 06:54 -0700, Zan Lynx wrote:
> On 2/17/2017 5:17 AM, Pete Biggs wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > Yes, if I choose ISO-8859-1 instead of default, which is UTF-8,
> > > then
> > > everything looks ok except for the subject..
> > Could you show us the source of the message - removing any personal
> > information of course. We would need to see the mime structure of
> > the
> > message and any headers relating to character encoding.
> > 
> > > 
> > > So it's better but not 100%. Also, shouldn't Evolution figure
> > > this
> > > out by itself or? (at least since Thunderbird does..)
> > Well Thunderbird is Thunderbird and Evolution isn't!  It could be
> > down
> > to assumptions that TB makes that Evo doesn't or some error in the
> > mime
> > structure that TB accepts but Evo doesn't.
> > 
> Thunderbird has a "Fallback Encoding" which is set per folder. You
> can 
> right-click on a folder and change it in Properties.
> 
> If the message specifies an encoding, that takes over unless you
> change 
> it in View. You can also go into Options, Display, Formatting,
> Advanced, 
> and change the defaults there. Unicode UTF-8 has been the default
> sender 
> encoding in Thunderbird for a while.
> 
> So the differences are just because Evolution is defaulting to UTF-8
> and 
> Thunderbird to ISO-8859-1 for messages that don't specify their
> encoding.
> 
> A quick Google shows this for changing it in Evolution:
> https://help.gnome.org/users/evolution/stable/mail-displaying-charact
> er-encodings.html.en
> 

Since I am from the same country as the thread starter, I to would like
Evolution to just find out which encoding is used. In Norway, if you
want to specify the ISO-8859-standard, the number is ISO-8859-15, but
most will just put ISO-8859-1.

I think the thread starter has found something (bug?) that should be
corrected in future releases. I have not experienced this before, but I
would like to have it fixed.

Is the next step here for the thread starter to report this as a bug or
something in the project bug tracking system?

Trond
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Re: [Evolution] Problem with character encoding?

[Zan Lynx]

On 2/17/2017 5:17 AM, Pete Biggs wrote:

Yes, if I choose ISO-8859-1 instead of default, which is UTF-8, then
everything looks ok except for the subject..

Could you show us the source of the message - removing any personal
information of course. We would need to see the mime structure of the
message and any headers relating to character encoding.


So it's better but not 100%. Also, shouldn't Evolution figure this
out by itself or? (at least since Thunderbird does..)

Well Thunderbird is Thunderbird and Evolution isn't!  It could be down
to assumptions that TB makes that Evo doesn't or some error in the mime
structure that TB accepts but Evo doesn't.

Thunderbird has a "Fallback Encoding" which is set per folder. You can 
right-click on a folder and change it in Properties.


If the message specifies an encoding, that takes over unless you change 
it in View. You can also go into Options, Display, Formatting, Advanced, 
and change the defaults there. Unicode UTF-8 has been the default sender 
encoding in Thunderbird for a while.


So the differences are just because Evolution is defaulting to UTF-8 and 
Thunderbird to ISO-8859-1 for messages that don't specify their encoding.


A quick Google shows this for changing it in Evolution:
https://help.gnome.org/users/evolution/stable/mail-displaying-character-encodings.html.en

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Re: [Evolution] Problem with character encoding?

[Pete Biggs]

> 
> Yes, I know.. I just thought it was strange, since I do not really
> like TB and was suprised it worked there and not in Evolution.. (A)
> But here is the source:

OK. Thanks.  Some comments on it:

> 
> To: 
> From: "Lnningskontoret" 
> Subject: Lnnsslipp.

There doesn't appear to be any character encoding directives on the
Subject header, or indeed any strange characters at all, so it will
always be displayed as plain ASCII (I think).

> 
> 
> 
> --NextPart_000_0025_01BDBAA5.86C80EB0
> Content-Type: text/plain
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Again, there's no character set information, so the non-ascii
characters will be displayed in whatever is the default in Evolution.

> 
> Vedlagte l=F8nnsslipp =E5pnes med ditt 11 sifrede personnummer.=20
> Hilsen l=F8nningskontoret
> 

So yes, F8 is O-cross in ISO-8859-1 and an invalid sequence in UTF-8,
so perhaps TB is making assumptions about the character encoding used.

The other thing I noticed is that you are using an Exchange server. How
are you connecting to it? Is TB using the same method?

P.
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Re: [Evolution] Problem with character encoding?

[Bjørn T Johansen]

On Fri, 2017-02-17 at 12:17 +, Pete Biggs wrote:
> > Yes, if I choose ISO-8859-1 instead of default, which is UTF-8, then
> > everything looks ok except for the subject..
> 
> Could you show us the source of the message - removing any personal
> information of course. We would need to see the mime structure of the
> message and any headers relating to character encoding.
> 
> > So it's better but not 100%. Also, shouldn't Evolution figure this
> > out by itself or? (at least since Thunderbird does..)
> 
> Well Thunderbird is Thunderbird and Evolution isn't!  It could be down
> to assumptions that TB makes that Evo doesn't or some error in the mime
> structure that TB accepts but Evo doesn't.
> 
> P.

Yes, I know.. I just thought it was strange, since I do not really like TB and 
was suprised it worked there and not in Evolution.. (A)
But here is the source:


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Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Vedlagte l=F8nnsslipp =E5pnes med ditt 11 sifrede personnummer.=20
Hilsen l=F8nningskontoret

--NextPart_000_0025_01BDBAA5.86C80EB0
Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="100_168_20170201.PDF"
Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="100_168_20170201.PDF"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64

. content removed..

--NextPart_000_0025_01BDBAA5.86C80EB0--


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Re: [Evolution] Problem with character encoding?

[Pete Biggs]

> Yes, if I choose ISO-8859-1 instead of default, which is UTF-8, then
> everything looks ok except for the subject..

Could you show us the source of the message - removing any personal
information of course. We would need to see the mime structure of the
message and any headers relating to character encoding.

> So it's better but not 100%. Also, shouldn't Evolution figure this
> out by itself or? (at least since Thunderbird does..)

Well Thunderbird is Thunderbird and Evolution isn't!  It could be down
to assumptions that TB makes that Evo doesn't or some error in the mime
structure that TB accepts but Evo doesn't.

P.
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Re: [Evolution] Problem with character encoding?

[Bjørn T Johansen]

On Fri, 2017-02-17 at 11:28 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Fri, 2017-02-17 at 12:14 +0100, Bjørn T Johansen wrote:
> > On Fri, 2017-02-17 at 12:12 +0100, Bjørn T Johansen wrote:
> > > I have included an attachment, showing how one mail looks in Evolution 
> > > and will send another email with an attachments showing Thunderbird. In
> > > Thunderbird it displays as it should but not in Evolution.
> > > 
> > > Is this a bug or is it some settings configured wrong or?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Regards,
> > > 
> > > BTJ
> > > 
> > 
> > Here it the Thunderbird attachment..
> 
> Have you tried View->Character Encoding?
> 
> poc
> 

Yes, if I choose ISO-8859-1 instead of default, which is UTF-8, then everything 
looks ok except for the subject..
So it's better but not 100%. Also, shouldn't Evolution figure this out by 
itself or? (at least since Thunderbird does..)

BTJ
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Re: [Evolution] all mails are deleted in all folders after deleting mails in search folders unmatched

[Milan Crha]

On Thu, 2017-02-16 at 22:33 +0100, Jos Rikhof wrote:
> Is there a way to recover my mails. 

Hi,
they are possibly moved in the On This Computer/Trash folder. Unless
you expunge messages on exit, they should be still there.
Bye,
Milan
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Re: [Evolution] all mails are deleted in all folders after deleting mails in search folders unmatched

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2017-02-16 at 22:33 +0100, Jos Rikhof wrote:
> all mails are deleted in all folders after deleting mails in search folders
> unmatched. Only mails of last search are still there.
> 
> I checked the content
> in /home/me/.local/share/evolution/mail/local/.OneOfTheFolders/cur
> 
> result: no content at all.
> There shoud be around 2000 mails, gathered during about 10 yrs.
> 
> I renamed folders.db, resulting in creating a new folders.db.
> 
> Is there a way to recover my mails.
> Number of mails is about 10.000 over 12 yrs.

You don't say what kind of account this is (POP, IMAP, Exchange, ...).
It makes a difference to how deletion is handled. The default is the
IMAP method, in which deleted messages are simply marked but not
physically removed until you expunge the folder. If that's the case
then it's easy to recover them. Try selecting View->Show Deleted
Messages.

Otherwise, if the messages are no longer recoverable from your server,
it all depends on whether you have a regular backup system and can get
them from there. If not, there's nothing Evolution can do about it.

(If you use an IMAP server then someone else is doing the
administration for you. If not, you have to do it yourself.)

poc
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Re: [Evolution] Problem with character encoding?

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Fri, 2017-02-17 at 12:14 +0100, Bjørn T Johansen wrote:
> On Fri, 2017-02-17 at 12:12 +0100, Bjørn T Johansen wrote:
> > I have included an attachment, showing how one mail looks in Evolution and 
> > will send another email with an attachments showing Thunderbird. In
> > Thunderbird it displays as it should but not in Evolution.
> > 
> > Is this a bug or is it some settings configured wrong or?
> > 
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > BTJ
> > 
> 
> Here it the Thunderbird attachment..

Have you tried View->Character Encoding?

poc
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Re: [Evolution] Problem with character encoding?

[Bjørn T Johansen]

On Fri, 2017-02-17 at 12:12 +0100, Bjørn T Johansen wrote:
> I have included an attachment, showing how one mail looks in Evolution and 
> will send another email with an attachments showing Thunderbird. In
> Thunderbird it displays as it should but not in Evolution.
> 
> Is this a bug or is it some settings configured wrong or?
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> BTJ
> 

Here it the Thunderbird attachment..

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[Evolution] Problem with character encoding?

[Bjørn T Johansen]

I have included an attachment, showing how one mail looks in Evolution and will 
send another email with an attachments showing Thunderbird. In
Thunderbird it displays as it should but not in Evolution.

Is this a bug or is it some settings configured wrong or?


Regards,

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Re: [Evolution] all mails are deleted in all folders after deleting mails in search folders unmatched

[Jos Rikhof]

version: 3.10.4

Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
Met vriendelijke groet,

Jos B. Rikhof
T:0031 (0)53 5387831
M:0031 (0)6 53621101

On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 10:33 PM, Jos Rikhof  wrote:

> all mails are deleted in all folders after deleting mails in search
> folders unmatched. Only mails of last search are still there.
>
> I checked the content in /home/me/.local/share/evolution/mail/local/.
> OneOfTheFolders/cur
>
> result: no content at all.
> There shoud be around 2000 mails, gathered during about 10 yrs.
>
> I renamed folders.db, resulting in creating a new folders.db.
>
> Is there a way to recover my mails.
> Number of mails is about 10.000 over 12 yrs.
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
> Met vriendelijke groet,
>
> Jos B. Rikhof
> T:0031 (0)53 5387831
> M:0031 (0)6 53621101
>
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[Evolution] all mails are deleted in all folders after deleting mails in search folders unmatched

[Jos Rikhof]

all mails are deleted in all folders after deleting mails in search folders
unmatched. Only mails of last search are still there.

I checked the content
in /home/me/.local/share/evolution/mail/local/.OneOfTheFolders/cur

result: no content at all.
There shoud be around 2000 mails, gathered during about 10 yrs.

I renamed folders.db, resulting in creating a new folders.db.

Is there a way to recover my mails.
Number of mails is about 10.000 over 12 yrs.

Thanks for your help.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
Met vriendelijke groet,

Jos B. Rikhof
T:0031 (0)53 5387831
M:0031 (0)6 53621101
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