Re: [Evolution] open

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Thu, 28 Dec 2017 21:38:46 +0200, Gottfried wrote:
>> You need to run Evolution from the command line and see if any errors
>> are produced there.  
>How does that work?

Open a terminal and run

  evolution

FWIW usually there is a file ~/.xsession-errors that contains the output
of all running GUI apps.


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Re: [Evolution] open

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Thu, 28 Dec 2017 17:53:03 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>> Uninstalled it, reinstalled it.  
>
>Virtually always a waste of time. Linux isn't Windows.

Not necessarily. For example take Ubuntu's apt.

"Removing a package removes all packaged data, but leaves usually
small (modified) user configuration files behind, in case the
remove was an accident. Just issuing an installation request
for the accidentally removed package will restore its function as
before in that case. On the other hand you can get rid of
these leftovers by calling purge even on already removed packages. Note
that this does not affect any data or configuration stored
in your home directory." -
http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/zesty/man8/apt.8.html

If an Ubuntu user should mess up a config in e.g. /etc, then
uninstalling a package using "purge" and after that installing it again
very well could solve an issue.

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Re: [Evolution] evolution in ubuntu

[andré via evolution-list]

Le 2017-12-28 à 05:56, Andre Klapper a écrit :

On Thu, 2017-12-28 at 11:46 +0100, Herr Oswald wrote:

Since then, evolution people seem not to have been
particularly eager to support evolution on the ubuntu platform.


I have no idea what "Evolution people to support Evolution on the
Ubuntu platform" means. It's up to each distribution to make sure that
shipped software integrates and works well on the distribution.
It's not the task of upstream "Evolution people" to support, maintain,
integrate Evolution into gazillions of distributions out there.


Indeed.



As a ubuntu user, I feel not getting the best user experience possible
with evolution. Still stuck with v 3.22.6, support not as friendly as
I'm used to, I'm feeling like a 2nd class user...


Feel free to ask Ubuntu to ship a more recent Evolution version.


EXactly.  For that, just file a bug report with whatever Ubuntu uses for 
problems.

Alternately, you could become a packager for Evolution on Ubuntu.
It won't be as difficult as you might think.  Since Evolution is already 
in the distro, the different names often used for the same dependancies 
will be already in the package configuration file.  (I don't know what 
.deb packages use; I use an .rpm based distro.)
So you would likely just have to adjust the version of dependancies for 
the newer version of Evolution.  If you need more than that, other 
packagers should be willing to help.  That is how Linux distros work.
If you don't yet understand this, I'm sure a Ubuntu packager or advanced 
user would be willing to help you.




andre




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Re: [Evolution] Inbox Glitch

[Ralf Mardorf]

> On 28 Dec 2017, at 22:09, David Burleigh  wrote:
> On Thu, 2017-12-28 at 22:05 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 28 Dec 2017, at 21:23, David Burleigh  wrote:
>>> Just today, for no obvious reason, Evolution stopped showing the unread 
>>> incoming messages. It shows the number of unread messages, but they are not 
>>> included in the message list. 
>> 
>> 
>> In the "show" selection box below the menu bar select to show all messages.
> Ah, that was simple. Must have hit that by accident. How embarrasing! I've 
> never even noticed that selection box. Thanx.

This happens, if you e.g. use the mouse wheel to scroll and by accident the 
mouse pointer is above the selection box.

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Re: [Evolution] Inbox Glitch

[Ralf Mardorf]

> On 28 Dec 2017, at 21:23, David Burleigh  wrote:
> Just today, for no obvious reason, Evolution stopped showing the unread 
> incoming messages. It shows the number of unread messages, but they are not 
> included in the message list. 

In the "show" selection box below the menu bar select to show all messages.

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Re: [Evolution] open

[Gottfried]

You need to run Evolution from the command line and see if any errors
are produced there.
did that and it opens Evloution just until it would ask for the passowrd 
and then get's hanged up. Doesn't do anything anymore.


I did a back-up a few days ago, and with that it runs perfect. You know, 
restore with back-up and so on. Does that solve the problem, or would it 
come up in the next days again?

Well exactly the same problem came up after a restart.


Did you do as Patrick suggested and create a new *Linux* user, login in
as that new user and configure Evolution? Does Evolution work then?
still need to figure out, how that works. But I am on it. If I add the 
backup, it definitely won't.


P.

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[Evolution] Inbox Glitch

[David Burleigh]

Just today, for no obvious reason, Evolution stopped showing the
unread incoming messages. It shows the number of unread messages, but
they are not included in the message list. If I right click on the
Inbox folder and choose "Mark all messages as read" then the new
messages appear in the message list as unread messages. I did not
notice any Evolution-related updates in the set of updates I installed
this morning. 

I'm running Evolution 3.26.2-1 on Debian Testing, with all updates
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Re: [Evolution] open

[Pete Biggs]

On Thu, 2017-12-28 at 20:33 +0200, Gottfried wrote:
> I am on Fedora as OS and use the 3.26.1 version of Evolution.

Update Fedora, Evolution should be on 3.26.3 on F27. It won't solve
your problem, but you should keep a dynamic OS like Fedora up to date.

(And don't top post on this mailing list - people don't like it)

> 
> I used the back-up on a different PC and it worked out the same way. By 
> my comments you know that I don't know much. I suspect, that I 
> unintentionally saved a wrong password. I never save passwords but then 
> again, I type sometimes faster than I think... Sorry.
> 
> Is there a way I could delete that password? Any backdoor?

If you the menus still work you can do Edit -> Preferences -> Mail
Accounts -> (select account) -> Edit -> Receiving E-mail  and then
click on "Forget password".  Evolution will always remember what ever
password you type in, otherwise you would be typing it every few
minutes.

But I suspect that's not the problem - if it were the wrong password
the login would fail and you would be prompted for the password.

You need to run Evolution from the command line and see if any errors
are produced there.

Did you do as Patrick suggested and create a new *Linux* user, login in
as that new user and configure Evolution? Does Evolution work then?

P.

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Re: [Evolution] menu bar

[thedude731]

RESOLVED
thank you

Sandrorso


Il giorno gio, 28/12/2017 alle 18.12 +, Patrick O'Callaghan ha
scritto:
> On Thu, 2017-12-28 at 19:03 +0100, thedude...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Hello,
> > I deactivated the menu bar in evolution and I can no longer
> > activate
> > it.
> > How can I do?
> 
> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/evolution-list/2017-October/msg00109.
> html
> 
> poc
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Re: [Evolution] open

[Gottfried]

I am on Fedora as OS and use the 3.26.1 version of Evolution.

I used the back-up on a different PC and it worked out the same way. By 
my comments you know that I don't know much. I suspect, that I 
unintentionally saved a wrong password. I never save passwords but then 
again, I type sometimes faster than I think... Sorry.


Is there a way I could delete that password? Any backdoor?

Gottfried


On 28/12/17 19:53, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

On Thu, 2017-12-28 at 16:50 +0200, Gottfried wrote:

Hi all,

I cannot open evolution anymore. Got the newest version.

Which version exactly?


when I try to
open it, it comes up until it generates the maillist and then it gets
stuck. Doesn't even ask for password.

Uninstalled it, reinstalled it.

Virtually always a waste of time. Linux isn't Windows.


Even the opening of the back-up file on
another computer doesn't work, but that might be a different one. I
simply cannot get or send emails, because evolution does not open. Does
anybody have a suggestion?

Create a new Linux user and log in. Run Evolution. Configure some mail
account(s) and try them. Let us know what  happens.

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Re: [Evolution] menu bar

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2017-12-28 at 19:03 +0100, thedude...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hello,
> I deactivated the menu bar in evolution and I can no longer activate
> it.
> How can I do?

https://mail.gnome.org/archives/evolution-list/2017-October/msg00109.html

poc
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[Evolution] menu bar

[thedude731]

Hello,
I deactivated the menu bar in evolution and I can no longer activate
it.
How can I do?
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Re: [Evolution] open

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2017-12-28 at 16:50 +0200, Gottfried wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I cannot open evolution anymore. Got the newest version.

Which version exactly?

> when I try to 
> open it, it comes up until it generates the maillist and then it gets 
> stuck. Doesn't even ask for password.
> 
> Uninstalled it, reinstalled it.

Virtually always a waste of time. Linux isn't Windows.

> Even the opening of the back-up file on 
> another computer doesn't work, but that might be a different one. I 
> simply cannot get or send emails, because evolution does not open. Does 
> anybody have a suggestion?

Create a new Linux user and log in. Run Evolution. Configure some mail
account(s) and try them. Let us know what  happens.

poc
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Re: [Evolution] evolution in ubuntu

[Adam Tauno Williams]

On Thu, 2017-12-28 at 11:46 +0100, Herr Oswald wrote:
> Some time ago I learned that years ago there was some unfriendly
> interaction (or however you want to call it) between evolution und
> ubuntu people.

A false premise, therefore all that follows is unfounded.  Ubuntu
providing a good current build of Evolution is 104% the domain of
Ubuntu; if your distribution makes you feel second class - choose a
different one.

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[Evolution] open

[Gottfried]

Hi all,

I cannot open evolution anymore. Got the newest version. when I try to 
open it, it comes up until it generates the maillist and then it gets 
stuck. Doesn't even ask for password.


Uninstalled it, reinstalled it. Even the opening of the back-up file on 
another computer doesn't work, but that might be a different one. I 
simply cannot get or send emails, because evolution does not open. Does 
anybody have a suggestion?


Gottfried

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Re: [Evolution] evolution in ubuntu

[Ralf Mardorf]

PS:

On Thu, 28 Dec 2017 12:55:34 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>libgnome-desktop-3-12
>https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/libgnome-desktop-3-12 .
>
>The policy to split software from upstream into tons of packages
>doesn't help either to grant stability.

Let alone to provide the split software by different repositories,
libgnome seems not to be from "universe", too.

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Re: [Evolution] evolution in ubuntu

[Ralf Mardorf]

Hi,

as you can see at https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/evolution is from
the "universe" repository.
The same applies to Gnome, https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/gnome , an
important hard dependency of
libevolution https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/libevolution is
libgnome-desktop-3-12
https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/libgnome-desktop-3-12 .

The policy to split software from upstream into tons of packages doesn't
help either to grant stability.

A short explanation of the "main" and the "universe" repository:

"Main

The main component contains applications that are free software, can be
freely redistributed and are fully supported by the Ubuntu team." -
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories#Main

"Universe

The universe component is a snapshot of the free, open-source, and Linux
world. It houses almost every piece of open-source software, all built
from a range of public sources. Canonical does not provide a guarantee
of regular security updates for software in the universe component, but
will provide these where they are made available by the community. Users
should understand the risk inherent in using these packages." -
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories#Universe

Release date of Bionic Beaver Ubuntu 18.04 LTS is in April 2018, see
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases . Did you already ask why the new
default DE is still from "universe"? The appropriate mailing list to do
this is https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
(don't confuse it with
https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel ).

This should explain the issue with the Ubuntu policy and their unstable
Evolution packages from the official Ubuntu repository.

A lot of software provided by "universe" is stable, so why isn't
Evolution stable, too? The answer is very simple, it's related to the
dependency chain of the software. The longer the dependency chain, the
harder it's to maintain a package.

The Evolution coders can't change Ubuntu's policy, they just provide the
source code with all the information needed to build Evolution from
source.

Regards,
Ralf

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Re: [Evolution] evolution in ubuntu

[Pete Biggs]

> Some time ago I learned that years ago there was some unfriendly
> interaction (or however you want to call it) between evolution und
> ubuntu people.

No that's not the case. Ubuntu decided to use Thunderbird as their
primary email client, which is an entirely reasonable decision - it's
their distro so they can decide what they want to do with it. I'm not
aware of anyone having a problem with that.

>  Since then, evolution people seem not to have been
> particularly eager to support evolution on the ubuntu platform. Well -
> that's understandable...

"Evolution people"? I presume you mean the developers and us kind folk
here who provide user advice?  But whatever, we/they don't provide
*ANY* support at a distro level for any distro. We will provide advice
and the devs will do bug fixes and enhancements to the current
versions. We will also try and provide advice and help where we can for
older versions, but sometimes the problem requires the distro
maintainers to either upgrade the version or at least provide back-
ported patches to the version they distribute.

There is absolutely nothing that the "Evolution people" can do to
provide versions of Evolution other than those provided by your distro.

It may be that some people will provide a publicly available repository
that will update versions on certain distros, but that is nothing to do
with the Gnome Evolution project.

> 
> As a ubuntu user, I feel not getting the best user experience possible
> with evolution. Still stuck with v 3.22.6, support not as friendly as
> I'm used to, I'm feeling like a 2nd class user...

Lobby your distro maintainers to provide an updated version.  There may
be perfectly valid reasons why they are sticking with that version,
especially if you are using an enterprise or LTS version of a distro -
they specifically stick to known versions of applications to make
corporate support easier, but part of that is that they commit (or
should) to providing bug fixes and support for that version for the
lifetime of the distro version.

Anyway, doesn't Ubuntu 17.10 come with Gnome 3.26 anyway - that should
contain the most recent stable Evolution - if it doesn't you need to
find out why.

> 
> Would the end of the year 2017 not be a good moment to forget about the
> old dispute, shake hands and find out together how evolution, gnome and
> ubuntu people together can create the best user experience? - PIM is
> one of the key applications, and ubuntu is one of the big
> distributions, especially amongst linux newbees. So a really good
> evolution-in-ubuntu-integration is important for the progress of linux
> as a whole, I think.

I think you don't really understand the relationship between distros
and the packages. Things like Gnome, Kde, Mozilla project and the like
are distro agnostic. They are not developed in partnership with anyone.
The code base is released at certain points in time and it is
completely and utterly up to the distributions to do with it as they
see fit. They can use the most recent version, or they can use older
versions, it's up to them how things are integrated into their distro.
And that is how it should be.

P.

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Re: [Evolution] evolution in ubuntu

[Andre Klapper]

On Thu, 2017-12-28 at 11:46 +0100, Herr Oswald wrote:
> Since then, evolution people seem not to have been
> particularly eager to support evolution on the ubuntu platform.

I have no idea what "Evolution people to support Evolution on the
Ubuntu platform" means. It's up to each distribution to make sure that
shipped software integrates and works well on the distribution. 
It's not the task of upstream "Evolution people" to support, maintain,
integrate Evolution into gazillions of distributions out there.

> As a ubuntu user, I feel not getting the best user experience possible
> with evolution. Still stuck with v 3.22.6, support not as friendly as
> I'm used to, I'm feeling like a 2nd class user...

Feel free to ask Ubuntu to ship a more recent Evolution version.

> Would the end of the year 2017 not be a good moment to forget about the 
> old dispute

I'm not aware of any dispute. 
If there was one, feel free to provide pointers.

andre
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[Evolution] evolution in ubuntu

[Herr Oswald]

Recently I read that ubuntu will return to GNOME as its main desktop,
Ubuntu CEO Mark Shuttleworth even admitted that creating the unity
desktop was a mistake. Wow, that's quite a lot! - I hardly remember a
CEO having admitted a mistake...

Some time ago I learned that years ago there was some unfriendly
interaction (or however you want to call it) between evolution und
ubuntu people. Since then, evolution people seem not to have been
particularly eager to support evolution on the ubuntu platform. Well -
that's understandable...

As a ubuntu user, I feel not getting the best user experience possible
with evolution. Still stuck with v 3.22.6, support not as friendly as
I'm used to, I'm feeling like a 2nd class user...

Would the end of the year 2017 not be a good moment to forget about the
old dispute, shake hands and find out together how evolution, gnome and
ubuntu people together can create the best user experience? - PIM is
one of the key applications, and ubuntu is one of the big
distributions, especially amongst linux newbees. So a really good
evolution-in-ubuntu-integration is important for the progress of linux
as a whole, I think.

I wish you all the best for 2018 - and thank you all for providing
evolution and doing all the work on it!

Cheers,
Wolf
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