Re: [Evolution] How to delete single messages from the trash bin
Thanks to everybody who replied. I get it now and I'll work with it. I appreciate having it clearly explained. On Mon, 2019-02-25 at 09:01 -0700, Zan Lynx wrote: > On February 25, 2019 3:10:05 AM MST, Patrick O'Callaghan > wrote: > > On Sun, 2019-02-24 at 16:54 -0700, Zan Lynx > > > > No, this is not how Evolution Trash works. > > > > The fundamental model in Evolution follows the IMAP paradigm, in > > which > > deleted messages are merely marked for deletion, not removed. > > Actually > > removing them is called "expunging". In the Evo interface the Trash > > folder is a search folder by default, so the "deleted" messages > > stay in > > their original folders but are merely marked for deletion. Toggle > > the > > View->Show Deleted Messages option to see them. > > > As a system administrator in a past life I would have "cleaned" > user's Trash folders in Exchange without a second thought. > > As a programmer writing, say, online backup software I would not save > files or email in a Trash folder anymore than I would save temporary > or cache files. > > If I ran an online IMAP server, which I do for myself, it would > automatically purge deleted messages older than a month. > > So Evolution *does* work that way. Because it marks a Deleted flag > and that flag does whatever the server side decides to do. > > By no definition of the word "Deleted" does it mean "Keep this until > I come back for it." ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Change in behavior of search
On Mon, 2019-02-25 at 09:42 +0100, Milan Crha via evolution-list wrote: > On Fri, 2019-02-22 at 10:01 -0600, Japhering wrote: > Show: All Messages Search:in Current Account > > Hi, > the "Current Account" search type searches in all folders the account > has. That's, in case of Gmail, also "[Gmail]/All Messages", > "[Gmail]/Important", and others under "[Gmail]/". As the All Messages > suggests, there are all messages from all folders (labels) you've > configured. That makes it the second copy. The third copy can be in the > [Gmail]/Important, but maybe in another folder too. > > All are shown to be in the same location. > > This is unlikely. I'd guess that there's some issue in the local > summary of the server content, but you said there's nothing relevant on > the evolution console, thus it's not what I thought of. > > By any chance, could it be that you used to search for messages in > "Current Folder", instead of "Current Account" in the past? That would > explain the change in the behavior you are experiencing. More than likely, although, I don't remember ever using that switch. Setting it back to folder fixes my issue. So, the only mystery left is when, why or did I switch the setting. Definitely not worth chasing. Thanks for the catch. Mike ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] How to delete single messages from the trash bin
On February 25, 2019 3:10:05 AM MST, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: >On Sun, 2019-02-24 at 16:54 -0700, Zan Lynx > >No, this is not how Evolution Trash works. > >The fundamental model in Evolution follows the IMAP paradigm, in which >deleted messages are merely marked for deletion, not removed. Actually >removing them is called "expunging". In the Evo interface the Trash >folder is a search folder by default, so the "deleted" messages stay in >their original folders but are merely marked for deletion. Toggle the >View->Show Deleted Messages option to see them. As a system administrator in a past life I would have "cleaned" user's Trash folders in Exchange without a second thought. As a programmer writing, say, online backup software I would not save files or email in a Trash folder anymore than I would save temporary or cache files. If I ran an online IMAP server, which I do for myself, it would automatically purge deleted messages older than a month. So Evolution *does* work that way. Because it marks a Deleted flag and that flag does whatever the server side decides to do. By no definition of the word "Deleted" does it mean "Keep this until I come back for it." -- Knowledge is Power -- Power Corrupts Study Hard -- Be Evil ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] How to delete single messages from the trash bin
On Sun, 2019-02-24 at 16:54 -0700, Zan Lynx wrote: > On 2/24/2019 1:16 PM, Bradley G Ward via evolution-list wrote: > > This may be, and probably is, a basic question. But how can I delete > > single messages from the trash bin so that I can reduce the amount of > > messages that are in there? > > > > I've searched the Help option which tells me how to expunge an entire > > folder but I can't find how to do it for individual messages. I can > > highlight the message but the option to mark the actual message is > > greyed out. > > Umm. There's something basically wrong here. > > Are you expecting *any* message in a Trash folder to still be there > tomorrow? In a week? A month? > > Because you are *wrong*. If there's a folder named Trash in *any* > program, expect things in there to *vanish at any time*. > > Windows OS, for example, will automatically clean up Trash files and > Temporary files if you run low on disk space. > > The Thunderbird email program will automatically delete and "compact" > Trash folders, although it will ask you first. It will ask one time > only, if you check the checkbox to not ask again, I believe. > > Trash exists only so that you can change your mind about a deletion, and > pretty quickly, not in a month. > > If you want to have emails that you aren't sure about deleting, don't > put them in Trash, make a folder for them and put them in there instead. No, this is not how Evolution Trash works. The fundamental model in Evolution follows the IMAP paradigm, in which deleted messages are merely marked for deletion, not removed. Actually removing them is called "expunging". In the Evo interface the Trash folder is a search folder by default, so the "deleted" messages stay in their original folders but are merely marked for deletion. Toggle the View->Show Deleted Messages option to see them. In recent versions of Evo it's possible to configure Trash as a real folder (Preferences->->Defaults), mainly to accommodate server-side systems that don't follow the IMAP model correctly, e.g. Exchange or Gmail. In these cases, Trash is handled by the server so may be deleted or compacted according to its rules, but by default Evo will only expunge Trash when you explicitly request it (File->Empty Trash), or set one of the options under Delete Mail in Preferences- >Defaults. poc ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Change in behavior of search
On Fri, 2019-02-22 at 10:01 -0600, Japhering wrote: > Show: All Messages Search:in Current Account Hi, the "Current Account" search type searches in all folders the account has. That's, in case of Gmail, also "[Gmail]/All Messages", "[Gmail]/Important", and others under "[Gmail]/". As the All Messages suggests, there are all messages from all folders (labels) you've configured. That makes it the second copy. The third copy can be in the [Gmail]/Important, but maybe in another folder too. > All are shown to be in the same location. This is unlikely. I'd guess that there's some issue in the local summary of the server content, but you said there's nothing relevant on the evolution console, thus it's not what I thought of. By any chance, could it be that you used to search for messages in "Current Folder", instead of "Current Account" in the past? That would explain the change in the behavior you are experiencing. Bye, Milan ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
