Re: [Evolution] Collating inboxes

[Andre Klapper]

On Sun, 2019-09-29 at 05:55 +1000, Bradley G Ward wrote:
> I know that I found an old post, hit reply all

That's exactly the problem. :)
Don't hit reply if you do not reply to the topic.
https://help.gnome.org/users/evolution/stable/mail-recognized-thread-related-headers.html

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Re: [Evolution] Collating inboxes

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Sun, 2019-09-29 at 05:55 +1000, Bradley G Ward via evolution-list
wrote:
> I know that I found an old post,
> hit reply all, deleted the text of the email, changed the subject
> header and just had the evolution list address in the 'to' line after
> removing whoever posted the email I was using.  How it ended up being a
> reply to another thread I have no idea.  And this is, obviously, not
> something that one would do intentionally.

That is *exactly* what Andre is saying. Please do not do this.
Threading on mailing lists does not depend on what's in the Subject
line. It's managed by headers which normally are not shown to the user
(but can be seen by hitting Ctrl-U on a message if you're interested),
so starting a reply and editing the Subject doesn't create a new
thread, it simply continues an old one but with a completely different
topic. This is called "thread hijacking" and is considered poor
netiquette.

Always start a new topic by composing a fresh message, not a reply of
any kind.

poc

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Re: [Evolution] Email Threading

[Zan Lynx]

On 9/28/19 1:55 PM, Bradley G Ward via evolution-list wrote:

I know that I found an old post,
hit reply all, deleted the text of the email, changed the subject
header and just had the evolution list address in the 'to' line after
removing whoever posted the email I was using.  How it ended up being a
reply to another thread I have no idea.  And this is, obviously, not
something that one would do intentionally.


Threading in email and in NNTP (network news transport) is done with 
headers. Normally these are invisible although they can be seen if you 
"View Source" or other options.


Each message has a header which is its unique identifier. Each message 
also has headers which describe its thread parents by their unique 
identifiers.


When you reply or forward an email, those headers are adjusted to 
describe the threading.


This is pretty good: http://cr.yp.to/immhf/thread.html
You can also read RFC 822: https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc822.txt
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Re: [Evolution] Collating inboxes

[Bradley G Ward via evolution-list]

On Sat, 2019-09-28 at 21:44 +0200, Andre Klapper wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On Sun, 2019-09-29 at 05:33 +1000, Bradley G Ward wrote:
> > Not being one who posts to lists such as this at all, I have no
> > idea
> > what you are talking about, and I know little about etiquette.  I
> > think
> > that this archaic bottom posting is the rule here?
> 
> It's expected, as we do not start reading emails at the bottom, yes.
> :)
> 
> > The link you provided means nothing to me and sheds no light on the
> > question I posed, as far as I can see. How am I responding to a
> > random message when I started a new topic?  If this has been
> > addressed in the past I don't even know where to go to search for
> > it.  So apologies if I've knocked the Evolution list off its axis.
> 
> Your previous email was a direct reply to the thread "cycle through
> contact editor with TAB key", as you clicked Reply.
> Instead, please send a new message (which is not a reply) to the
> mailing list when starting a completely new topic. Thanks :)
> 
> > Your solution is not correct.  I have both POP3 and IMAP accounts
> > all
> > directing their incoming mail into the one inbox.
> 
> If you have IMAP accounts directing incoming mail to 1 (one) inbox
> then
> you probably already have some filters configured somewhere which
> forward email to that one inbox. These filters might be local in
> Evolution, or might be on some server. You are free to add an
> additional filter in that place, to solve the problem you asked
> about.
> 
> Cheers,
> andre
> 
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Thanks for the reply.

I have just checked out my original post and I see nothing about me
replying to another post.  Nothing.  I know that I found an old post,
hit reply all, deleted the text of the email, changed the subject
header and just had the evolution list address in the 'to' line after
removing whoever posted the email I was using.  How it ended up being a
reply to another thread I have no idea.  And this is, obviously, not
something that one would do intentionally.  

I won't labour this point, but I do not have filters set up, either
locally or on a server.  There is a simpler solution to this.  I will
work it out myself as your solutions are unnecessarily involved where I
can assure you that there is a simple way to do this. 

I have this setup on three pcs in this way.  I'll look a bit deeper as
to what I did.



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Re: [Evolution] Collating inboxes

[Andre Klapper]

Hi,

On Sun, 2019-09-29 at 05:33 +1000, Bradley G Ward wrote:
> Not being one who posts to lists such as this at all, I have no idea
> what you are talking about, and I know little about etiquette.  I
> think
> that this archaic bottom posting is the rule here?

It's expected, as we do not start reading emails at the bottom, yes. :)

> The link you provided means nothing to me and sheds no light on the
> question I posed, as far as I can see. How am I responding to a
> random message when I started a new topic?  If this has been
> addressed in the past I don't even know where to go to search for
> it.  So apologies if I've knocked the Evolution list off its axis.

Your previous email was a direct reply to the thread "cycle through
contact editor with TAB key", as you clicked Reply.
Instead, please send a new message (which is not a reply) to the
mailing list when starting a completely new topic. Thanks :)

> Your solution is not correct.  I have both POP3 and IMAP accounts all
> directing their incoming mail into the one inbox.

If you have IMAP accounts directing incoming mail to 1 (one) inbox then
you probably already have some filters configured somewhere which
forward email to that one inbox. These filters might be local in
Evolution, or might be on some server. You are free to add an
additional filter in that place, to solve the problem you asked about.

Cheers,
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Re: [Evolution] Collating inboxes

[Bradley G Ward via evolution-list]

On Sat, 2019-09-28 at 11:09 +0200, Andre Klapper wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> please do not reply to a random message and then change the subject
> line. It destroys threading.
> See 
> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/evolution-list/2019-September/thread.html
> Send a new message when you start a new topic. Thanks.
> 
> On Sat, 2019-09-28 at 05:45 +1000, Bradley G Ward via evolution-list
> wrote:
> > I am asking a question for something that I solved a long time ago
> > but
> > I can't remember, or seem to see, how I did it.
> > 
> > I have a number of email addresses that get checked for mail and I
> > have
> > all incoming mail from these going into the one folder.  I have
> > just
> > added another email account and want to have the mail from this
> > going
> > in with the rest of my mail rather than into its own separate inbox
> > folder.
> > 
> > Can someone assist me here with how I do this?  Very frustrating to
> > have had sorted this out ages ago and then lose the knowledge.
> 
> Mail accounts that are local ("POP3" etc) all end up in the local "On
> this computer" Inbox, because the mail is only on your local machine
> once you have pulled it from the mail server.
> 
> Mail accounts that are remote ("IMAP" etc) end up with a separate
> node
> and a separate inbox, as they are synced to what is also on the
> corresponding mail server.
> 
> You could set up a (virtual) search folder based on the two inboxes:
> 
https://help.gnome.org/users/evolution/stable/mail-search-folders.html
> 
> You could set up a filter to move/copy mail from one folder to
> another:
> https://help.gnome.org/users/evolution/stable/mail-filters.html
> 
> Cheers,
> andre
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Not being one who posts to lists such as this at all, I have no idea
what you are talking about, and I know little about etiquette.  I think
that this archaic bottom posting is the rule here?  The link you
provided means nothing to me and sheds no light on the question I
posed, as far as I can see.  How am I responding to a random message
when I started a new topic?  If this has been addressed in the past I
don't even know where to go to search for it.  So apologies if I've
knocked the Evolution list off its axis.

Your solution is not correct.  I have both POP3 and IMAP accounts all
directing their incoming mail into the one inbox.  I have a total of 4
POP3 accounts and 2 IMAP accounts happily directing the mail into one
convenient place.  So your convoluted work around is not what I am
after.

Having had a small whinge now, I do thank you for taking the time to
reply, but you are incorrect in your distinction between POP3 and IMAP.

If I've violated some other rule with this reply just delete it and
I'll forget all about it.




 

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Re: [Evolution] Hotkey for links [SOLVED][SUGGESTION]

[Al Lansley via evolution-list]

Issue raised:

https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/evolution/issues/644

Regards,
Al

On Sat, 2019-09-28 at 13:56 +0200, Andre Klapper wrote:

On Sat, 2019-09-28 at 11:27 +, Al Lansley via evolution-list wrote:

I just checked the Gmail and Outlook web clients - and the default

key

to add a link in both is Ctrl+K (not Ctrl+L as I'd previously put

forward).


I guess it's a linK, not a Link.


Rather that nothing, perhaps the default should be "k" to

maintain usability between platforms?


There is no default, as per your first message in this thread.

If you'd like to create a feature request, see the second message in

this thread by Pete:



https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/evolution/



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Re: [Evolution] Hotkey for links [SOLVED][SUGGESTION]

[Andre Klapper]

On Sat, 2019-09-28 at 11:27 +, Al Lansley via evolution-list wrote:
> I just checked the Gmail and Outlook web clients - and the default
> key
> to add a link in both is Ctrl+K (not Ctrl+L as I'd previously put
> forward).
>
> I guess it's a linK, not a Link.
>
> Rather that nothing, perhaps the default should be "k" to
> maintain usability between platforms?

There is no default, as per your first message in this thread.
If you'd like to create a feature request, see the second message in
this thread by Pete: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/evolution/

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Re: [Evolution] Hotkey for links [SOLVED][SUGGESTION]

[Al Lansley via evolution-list]

I just checked the Gmail and Outlook web clients - and the default key
to add a link in both is Ctrl+K (not Ctrl+L as I'd previously put
forward).

I guess it's a linK, not a Link.

Rather that nothing, perhaps the default should be "k" to
maintain usability between platforms?

Up to you, of course - just a suggestion.

Regards,
Al

On Sat, 2019-09-28 at 11:01 +, Al Lansley via evolution-list wrote:
> Got it.
> 
> 
> To trigger the insert link dialog from keyboard with Ctrl+L when
> writing an email in HTML format, in the file:
> ~/.config/evolution/accels 
> 
> 
> Change the line:
> ; (gtk_accel_path "/html/insert-link" "")
> 
> 
> To:
> (gtk_accel_path "/html/insert-link" "l")
> 
> 
> Best wishes,
> Al
> 
> 
> On Sat, 2019-09-28 at 12:25 +0200, Andre Klapper wrote:
> > On Sat, 2019-09-28 at 10:45 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote:
> > > > It says in that that the comments in the accels file start with
> > > > a
> > > 
> > > comma
> > > - is that correct, or should it be semi-colon?
> >  
> > Thanks for catching that! Indeed, corrected:
> >  
> > https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/evolution/commit/ca9fd4c3ce0041a1f34c7b57a00dea4a64c2edd3
> > 
> >  
> > https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/evolution/commit/eb689cd1f4bba6868f569c135b26093f847dadb0
> > 
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > andre
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> > 
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Re: [Evolution] Hotkey for links [SOLVED]

[Al Lansley via evolution-list]

Got it.

To trigger the insert link dialog from keyboard with Ctrl+L when writing an 
email in HTML format, in the file: ~/.config/evolution/accels

Change the line:
; (gtk_accel_path "/html/insert-link" "")

To:
(gtk_accel_path "/html/insert-link" "l")

Best wishes,
Al

On Sat, 2019-09-28 at 12:25 +0200, Andre Klapper wrote:

On Sat, 2019-09-28 at 10:45 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote:

It says in that that the comments in the accels file start with a

comma

- is that correct, or should it be semi-colon?


Thanks for catching that! Indeed, corrected:



https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/evolution/commit/ca9fd4c3ce0041a1f34c7b57a00dea4a64c2edd3




https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/evolution/commit/eb689cd1f4bba6868f569c135b26093f847dadb0



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Re: [Evolution] Hotkey for links

[Andre Klapper]

On Sat, 2019-09-28 at 10:45 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote:
> > It says in that that the comments in the accels file start with a
> comma
> - is that correct, or should it be semi-colon?

Thanks for catching that! Indeed, corrected:
https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/evolution/commit/ca9fd4c3ce0041a1f34c7b57a00dea4a64c2edd3
https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/evolution/commit/eb689cd1f4bba6868f569c135b26093f847dadb0

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Re: [Evolution] Hotkey for links

[Pete Biggs]

> 
> In addition to what Pete already wrote, you can customize keyboard
> shortcuts locally. See "Help > Contents > Customizing tool bar and menu
> items" (requires the Evolution user docs to be installed locally).
> 

It says in that that the comments in the accels file start with a comma
- is that correct, or should it be semi-colon?  (I was going to mention
the accels file, but it didn't seem to work for me - perhaps that's
because all the lines are commented out!)

P.


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Re: [Evolution] Hotkey for links

[Andre Klapper]

On Sat, 2019-09-28 at 01:30 +, Al Lansley via evolution-list wrote:
> Would it be possible to add a hotkey such as Ctrl+L (preferred) or
> Ctrl+K (yeah, I don't know - that's what Thunderbird uses) to insert
> a link into an email without having to go the menu and choose 'Insert
> | Link...', please?

In addition to what Pete already wrote, you can customize keyboard
shortcuts locally. See "Help > Contents > Customizing tool bar and menu
items" (requires the Evolution user docs to be installed locally).

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Re: [Evolution] Collating inboxes

[Andre Klapper]

Hi,

please do not reply to a random message and then change the subject
line. It destroys threading.
See https://mail.gnome.org/archives/evolution-list/2019-September/thread.html
Send a new message when you start a new topic. Thanks.

On Sat, 2019-09-28 at 05:45 +1000, Bradley G Ward via evolution-list
wrote:
> I am asking a question for something that I solved a long time ago
> but
> I can't remember, or seem to see, how I did it.
>
> I have a number of email addresses that get checked for mail and I have
> all incoming mail from these going into the one folder.  I have just
> added another email account and want to have the mail from this going
> in with the rest of my mail rather than into its own separate inbox
> folder.
>
> Can someone assist me here with how I do this?  Very frustrating to
> have had sorted this out ages ago and then lose the knowledge.

Mail accounts that are local ("POP3" etc) all end up in the local "On
this computer" Inbox, because the mail is only on your local machine
once you have pulled it from the mail server.

Mail accounts that are remote ("IMAP" etc) end up with a separate node
and a separate inbox, as they are synced to what is also on the
corresponding mail server.

You could set up a (virtual) search folder based on the two inboxes:
https://help.gnome.org/users/evolution/stable/mail-search-folders.html

You could set up a filter to move/copy mail from one folder to another:
https://help.gnome.org/users/evolution/stable/mail-filters.html

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Re: [Evolution] Hotkey for links

[Pete Biggs]

> Would it be possible to add a hotkey such as Ctrl+L (preferred) or
> Ctrl+K (yeah, I don't know - that's what Thunderbird uses) to insert
> a link into an email without having to go the menu and choose 'Insert
> | Link...', please?

If you want to add/change a feature then the correct (only?) place to
make such a request is in the Gnome Gitlab

 https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/evolution/

I'm fairly certain that since it would only be like 5 mins of work the
maintainers would appreciate any patches you write.

Also, if you are composing in HTML (which, BTW, is usually frowned upon
on this list), there's a button in the menu bar just above the composer
to insert a link - it's the one beside the "Insert Image" button.

If you do file a feature request, please post a link in this thread so
that people who search in the archives can find it (presuming there are
people who search in the archives these days).

P.


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