Re: [Evolution] What do I do now? V2

[Torsten Krah via evolution-list]

Am Mittwoch, dem 02.11.2022 um 20:09 + schrieb Patrick O'Callaghan:
> What option? Please quote some context when replying, otherwise it's
> not clear what you mean.

In general you are right, but that answer was a reply to only one
option available in that mail from Greg asking if that would be
possible as well, so it is clear even without quoting it - just to be
complete:

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kind regards

Torsten
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Re: [Evolution] Have I pushed Evolution beyond where it is designed to go?

[Milan Crha via evolution-list]

On Sun, 2022-11-06 at 07:07 +0100, Mike wrote:
> Nov  6 12:36:39 blackbox evolution[11523]: Failed to add service
> 'News and Blogs' (rss): No provider available for protocol “rss”

Hi,
I guess, and only guess, you managed to mix different versions of
evolution, even you claimed earlier you move backup between two same
installations, only between VM and bare metal. I guess you've mixed
things up because the "rss protocol" is a new thing in 3.46.0. It can
be a leftover after your experiments, I do not know, but the 'rss'
definition comes from a file in the system directory.

> Nov  6 12:36:44 blackbox evolution[11523]: . table Inbox has 30
> columns but 28 values were supplied

This one is another indication of the version mismatch, when you move
from a newer evolution to an older evolution. There is a migration
code, but it works only in the opposite way, from older to newer
version (or the migration was not executed, because the version stored
in the GSettings was higher than it was supposed to be). The above
error specifically should should be visible also in the GUI, when you
select that folder. It prevents showing the folder content, which is
one of the problems you face.

I suggest you start from scratch. Either as a new user, or clean all
the evolution settings and data, not only the ~/.config/evolution/.
Uninstalling the app will not help, this data is independent of the
installation, and, more importantly, some of this data is used by the
evolution-data-server background processes, which is shared with the
desktop or other apps. The background processes run as part of the GUI,
thus when you play with the underlying files, you need to make sure the
background processes are not running, and/or you need to restart them
when you are done with the changes, otherwise weird things happen. Note
playing with underlying app files is something you should not (usually)
do, it is expected to be harder to do it and you can break the app,
which is what already happened.

To start from scratch, see here what locations are used:
https://help.gnome.org/users/evolution/stable/data-storage.html

Do not remove the GSettings (DConf) directory, it holds all your
settings, not only for Evolution. You can use something like:

   $ gsettings reset-recursively org.gnome.evolution-data-server
   $ gsettings reset-recursively org.gnome.evolution

to unset your modifications (I didn't try the commands, maybe the
syntax is slightly different). After this restart the machine and only
then import your data from the VM. If the both evolution versions are
the same on both machines, the same as the evolution-data-server
versions, then the restore should be flawless.

You can/should do another restart after restore, or run
`evolution --force-shutdown` to restart also the background processes,
though it should not be needed even on your ancient version.

Bye,
Milan

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Re: [Evolution] Have I pushed Evolution beyond where it is designedto go?

[mike]

Paul,

The issue of the syslog errors have been resolved [mentioned in 
another post].



I answered many of the questions you are asking in thew original 
email, but I will try to answer once again.



You ask (see at this point HTML is easier to show the difference 
between your questions and my answers) :
When you start Evolution (without importing the backup file) what 
issues do you have?


I answer: I never used evolution on the desktop before the import of 
the gz file and now, even after allegedly purging the problem exists 
after a 'clean' install. But I can't be sure it is truly clean.


You ask: The version of Evolution you're using (not the version of the 
distribution or desktop).  You can use Help -> About to find  this.


Answered two days ago: 3.38.3-1


You ask: The type of email server you are using (IMAP, POP, EWS, etc.) 
and   any special/non-default settings you use with it.


Answered three days ago: POP

You ask:  A concise explanation of the problem you are having.
Answered three days ago: And no it isn't possible to be concise 
without you complaining later that I left out significant parts. But 
here is the very short form. I'm sure I will regret this.
(A) There are two instances of evolution: #1 on a Debian VM and one on 
that same PC desktop running the same version of Debian.
(B) The VM was used to import all my Outlook PST files (there were 
five PSTs). That VM still exists and, when run with that instance of 
evolution running, that evolution works fine. I exported the data from 
that instance. I then sFTPed the gz file to (C) below.


(C) The desktop install of the same version of evolution was done with 
the importing of the gz file. I never used the software prior to the 
import.
(D) for a few hours the desktop version ran OK and then it stopped 
displaying any incoming mail. If I used it to she mail, the mail would 
be sent, but it didn't appear in the sent folder or anywhere else.


(Also) as I am using Debian, I use the apt-get for that version that 
is maintained by that maintainer. That is the *current version* on 
Debian. *So it DOES matter what platform I am on.* Are you saying I 
should use a different version from a different source?



Yours,
Mike Lieberman
Imagine whirled peas


On Monday 11/07/2022 at 02:06, Paul Smith  wrote:


On Sun, 2022-11-06 at 06:07 +, Mike wrote:



I purged evolution from the PC, deleted the .config/evolution
folders, deleted the trash, rebooted, reinstalled at 12:36 and ran it
at 12:37. I did not import the backup file, so that isn't the
problem.

None of these errors are in the VM install though the VM install
happened only five days ago, both via ftp.debian.org via apt-get onto
the same computer (one instance the VirtualBox Debian 11.5 and the
other on the actual hardware running Debian 11.5)

Without importing the backup, I see this:


Hi Mike. All of these log messages are just warnings about the
codebase, which should be fixed but don't have any direct impact on  
the

application (most likely) [1].

Although there are lots of scary messages here it APPEARS that
everything came up successfully. Above you say "that isn't the
problem", but you didn't describe what the problem is.

When you start Evolution (without importing the backup file) what
issues do you have?

The important information we must have to start thinking about a
problem is:

* The version of Evolution you're using (not the version of the
   distribution or desktop).  You can use Help -> About to 
find  this.

* The type of email server you are using (IMAP, POP, EWS, etc.) and
   any special/non-default settings you use with it.
* A concise explanation of the problem you are having.

All the rest of the details, such as which desktop you're using, what
was imported, etc. are almost certainly not relevant (unless the
problem is related to a failure to import etc.) It's fine to include
them but please format your question so that the most relevant details
are clearly stated up at the top, so we don't have to spelunk a long
email of other details to dig them out.

Also helpful is to use a subject line that encapsulates the problem
you're having in a short sentence, rather than one that doesn't help  
us

find this issue in archives etc.

And finally, it's helpful to us as readers if you avoid complex/fancy
HTML signatures, etc. and stick with just plain text as much as
possible. And we do appreciate if you can trim your replies to contain
only the specific text you're replying to, and not include the entire
email thread in your reply. We have mailing list archives for anyone
who wants to see the history, and including replies makes those more
difficult to read. Evolution makes this easy: just select (with your
mouse) the text you want to reply to and then hit the reply button,  
and

only that text will be quoted in the reply.

I feel like we got off on lots of probably-not-relevant tangents such
as whether it's better to use a local IMAP 

Re: [Evolution] Have I pushed Evolution beyond where it is designedto go?

[mike]

Sorry, I will try this other email client it defaults to HTML, but I 
have clicked on a setting that claims it will send as plain text. We 
will see.  For work and general correspondence I can't use plain text 
as  it is inadequate. Further, most places use web-forums not 
listservs anymore. :-) And so I really forgot the old listserv 
plaintext rules. I do apologize once again.


I cleared some of the errors in the syslog, by removing a video card 
from the system. The VM was created on the same hardware, when it was 
running under windows. Bullseye didn't seem to like the living with 
both an NVidia video adapter and an Intel i915. Once the Intel was 
gone, after yet another fresh install of evolution, the syslog error 
messages are gone but the primary issue regarding the failure to 'see' 
any new mail as it comes in, persists.


Maybe  this forum is better for configuration issues and not debug of 
code. I don't know. You all can tell me. I don't need to waste 
bandwidth if this  is the wrong place to be discussing this. All I do 
know is that I have an instance of evolution on a VM that works and an 
instance on the direct hardware that does not. The underlying 
hardware, now that the Intel video is gone, seems to be rock solid. No 
other software is misbehaving. I suspect I need a way to run a debug 
on the code during operation of evolution (if that was possible) and 
send that debug output  to the developer (if that was possible).



That issue with Linux and applications, the concept that open source 
is better, is only true for the coders, not anyone else. It is why 
over the years even though all my servers ran Linux, I stayed with 
Windows on the desktop. Well, now, Windows is gone and I am on Linux 
100%. Evolution isn't working. BlueMail, which I have been using as a 
daily replacement, is too limiting and causing problems even emailing 
back to this list. I am now on a search for yet another option for an 
email client and evolution  remains my archive of my old contracts, 
contacts, correspondence and the rest.



[Parenthetically, the listserv is set up incorrectly. I ran listservs, 
some twenty something years ago, and the settings on return mail are 
backwards.]


[and in a homage to days long gone - and the loss of my normal sig 
file]

Mike Lieberman
Imagine whirled peas




On Sunday 11/06/2022 at 22:54, Patrick O'Callaghan  wrote:


On Sun, 2022-11-06 at 06:07 +, Mike wrote:



I purged evolution from the PC, deleted the .config/evolution
folders, deleted the trash, rebooted, reinstalled at 12:36 and ran it
at 12:37. I did not import the backup file, so that isn't the
problem.
None of these errors are in the VM install though the VM install
happened only five days ago, both via ftp.debian.org via apt-get onto
the same computer (one instance the VirtualBox Debian 11.5 and the
other on the actual hardware running Debian 11.5)

[...]

This is really quite difficult to read. Please refrain from posting in
HTML on this list, or replying on HTML formatting to make the post
readable. The standard used here is plain text, and most people don't
even look at the HTML version if it exists.

poc
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Re: [Evolution] Have I pushed Evolution beyond where it is designed to go?

[Paul Smith]

On Sun, 2022-11-06 at 06:07 +, Mike wrote:
> I purged evolution from the PC, deleted the .config/evolution
> folders, deleted the trash, rebooted, reinstalled at 12:36 and ran it
> at 12:37. I did not import the backup file, so that isn't the
> problem.
> 
> None of these errors are in the VM install though the VM install
> happened only five days ago, both via ftp.debian.org via apt-get onto
> the same computer (one instance the VirtualBox Debian 11.5 and the
> other on the actual hardware running Debian 11.5)  
> 
> Without importing the backup, I see this:

Hi Mike. All of these log messages are just warnings about the
codebase, which should be fixed but don't have any direct impact on the
application (most likely) [1].

Although there are lots of scary messages here it APPEARS that
everything came up successfully. Above you say "that isn't the
problem", but you didn't describe what the problem is.

When you start Evolution (without importing the backup file) what
issues do you have?

The important information we must have to start thinking about a
problem is:

 * The version of Evolution you're using (not the version of the
   distribution or desktop).  You can use Help -> About to find this.
 * The type of email server you are using (IMAP, POP, EWS, etc.) and
   any special/non-default settings you use with it.
 * A concise explanation of the problem you are having.

All the rest of the details, such as which desktop you're using, what
was imported, etc. are almost certainly not relevant (unless the
problem is related to a failure to import etc.) It's fine to include
them but please format your question so that the most relevant details
are clearly stated up at the top, so we don't have to spelunk a long
email of other details to dig them out.

Also helpful is to use a subject line that encapsulates the problem
you're having in a short sentence, rather than one that doesn't help us
find this issue in archives etc.

And finally, it's helpful to us as readers if you avoid complex/fancy
HTML signatures, etc. and stick with just plain text as much as
possible. And we do appreciate if you can trim your replies to contain
only the specific text you're replying to, and not include the entire
email thread in your reply. We have mailing list archives for anyone
who wants to see the history, and including replies makes those more
difficult to read. Evolution makes this easy: just select (with your
mouse) the text you want to reply to and then hit the reply button, and
only that text will be quoted in the reply.

I feel like we got off on lots of probably-not-relevant tangents such
as whether it's better to use a local IMAP server, etc. These are
interesting topics but I doubt very much they're related to the issues
you're seeing.

Perhaps it's best to start a new thread with the details needed to
address one specific problem you are having and see if we can solve it.

Hopefully we can help!!


[1] Just to note, you are using (if I recall correctly) a pretty old
version of Evolution. The current version is 3.46. You are using 3.38
which is 4 releases ago. It's not going to be the case that these types
of warnings will ever be addressed in that old version.
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Re: [Evolution] Have I pushed Evolution beyond where it is designed to go?

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Sun, 2022-11-06 at 06:07 +, Mike wrote:
> I purged evolution from the PC, deleted the .config/evolution
> folders, deleted the trash, rebooted, reinstalled at 12:36 and ran it
> at 12:37. I did not import the backup file, so that isn't the
> problem.
> None of these errors are in the VM install though the VM install
> happened only five days ago, both via ftp.debian.org via apt-get onto
> the same computer (one instance the VirtualBox Debian 11.5 and the
> other on the actual hardware running Debian 11.5) 
[...]

This is really quite difficult to read. Please refrain from posting in
HTML on this list, or replying on HTML formatting to make the post
readable. The standard used here is plain text, and most people don't
even look at the HTML version if it exists.

poc
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Re: [Evolution] Have I pushed Evolution beyond where it is designed to go?

[Mike]

I purged evolution from the PC, deleted the .config/evolution folders, deleted 
the trash, rebooted, reinstalled at 12:36 and ran it at 12:37. I did not import 
the backup file, so that isn't the problem.
None of these errors are in the VM install though the VM install happened only 
five days ago, both via ftp.debian.org via apt-get onto the same computer (one 
instance the VirtualBox Debian 11.5 and the other on the actual hardware 
running Debian 11.5)
Without importing the backup, I see this:
Nov 6 12:36:39 blackbox evolution[11523]: Failed to add service 'News and 
Blogs' (rss): No provider available for protocol “rss”
Nov 6 12:36:39 blackbox org.gnome.Evolution.desktop[11550]: ** (process:2): 
WARNING **: 12:36:39.790: Error writing credentials to socket: Error sending 
message: Broken pipe
Nov 6 12:36:39 blackbox evolution-alarm[11535]: Your application did not 
unregister from D-Bus before destruction. Consider using g_application_run().
Nov 6 12:36:44 blackbox evolution[11523]: GError set over the top of a previous 
GError or uninitialized memory.#012This indicates a bug in someone's code. You 
must ensure an error is NULL before it's set.#012The overwriting error message 
was: table Inbox has 30 columns but 28 values were supplied
Nov 6 12:36:44 blackbox evolution[11523]: GError set over the top of a previous 
GError or uninitialized memory.#012This indicates a bug in someone's code. You 
must ensure an error is NULL before it's set.#012The overwriting error message 
was: table Inbox has 30 columns but 28 values were supplied
Nov 6 12:36:44 blackbox evolution[11523]: 
CamelMaildirFolder::synchronize_sync() set its GError but then reported success
Nov 6 12:36:44 blackbox evolution[11523]: Error message was: table Inbox has 30 
columns but 28 values were supplied
Nov 6 12:36:52 blackbox evolution[11523]: Your application did not unregister 
from D-Bus before destruction. Consider using g_application_run().
Nov 6 12:36:52 blackbox systemd[1504]: 
app-gnome-org.gnome.Evolution-11523.scope: Succeeded.
Nov 6 12:36:52 blackbox systemd[1504]: 
app-gnome-org.gnome.Evolution-11523.scope: Consumed 3.487s CPU time.
Nov 6 12:37:17 blackbox evolution[11740]: Failed to add service 'News and 
Blogs' (rss): No provider available for protocol “rss”
Nov 6 12:37:17 blackbox org.gnome.Evolution.desktop[11768]: ** (process:2): 
WARNING **: 12:37:17.932: Error writing credentials to socket: Error sending 
message: Broken pipe
Nov 6 12:37:18 blackbox evolution-alarm[11753]: Your application did not 
unregister from D-Bus before destruction. Consider using g_application_run().
Nov 6 12:37:39 blackbox dbus-daemon[936]: [system] Activating via systemd: 
service name='org.freedesktop.hostname1' 
unit='dbus-org.freedesktop.hostname1.service' requested by ':1.248' (uid00 
pid740 comm="evolution ")
Nov 6 13:37:35 blackbox gvfsd-trash[2961]: dir: 
/home/mike/.local/share/Trash/files, file: evolution, type: 4#012
Nov 6 13:37:35 blackbox gvfsd-trash[2961]: dir: 
/home/mike/.local/share/Trash/files, file: evolution, type: 4#012
Nov 6 13:39:12 blackbox evolution[11740]: Your application did not unregister 
from D-Bus before destruction. Consider using g_application_run().
Nov 6 13:39:12 blackbox evolution[11740]: Lock file deletion failed: No such 
file or directory
Nov 6 13:39:12 blackbox systemd[1504]: 
app-gnome-org.gnome.Evolution-11740.scope: Succeeded.
Nov 6 13:39:12 blackbox systemd[1504]: 
app-gnome-org.gnome.Evolution-11740.scope: Consumed 13.467s CPU time.
Nov 6 13:39:36 blackbox evolution-addre[1885]: Error setting property 
'ConnectionStatus' on interface org.gnome.evolution.dataserver.Source: The 
connection is closed (g-io-error-quark, 18)
Nov 6 13:39:36 blackbox systemd[1504]: evolution-source-registry.service: 
Succeeded.
Nov 6 13:39:36 blackbox systemd[1504]: evolution-calendar-factory.service: 
Succeeded.
Nov 6 13:39:36 blackbox systemd[1504]: evolution-addressbook-factory.service: 
Succeeded.
Nov 6 13:39:36 blackbox systemd[1504]: 
app-gnome-org.gnome.Evolution\x2dalarm\x2dnotify-1992.scope: Succeeded.
Nov 6 13:39:36 blackbox systemd[1504]: 
app-gnome-org.gnome.Evolution\x2dalarm\x2dnotify-1992.scope: Consumed 1.454s 
CPU time.
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Re: [Evolution] Have I pushed Evolution beyond where it is designed to go?

[Pete Biggs]

> 
> On the new platform, with the data imported (and all the data is
> there) only a day after I imported it, it no longer displayed any new
> mail.
> 
> It says there is new mail via a notification popup, but there is
> nothing in the inbox or anywhere else.

How do you retrieve the mail into Evolution from your server?

Are you sure you don't have a search active?

Please look at Help -> Contents -> Common mail questions
 -> I cannot see some emails ...

> 
> Every once and a while I got a UID error message about a problem, but
> it wasn't all the time. 

What is the error message?  This sort of implies you use POP.

> 
> I used apt to remove the package. I deleted the folders, and then
> deleted the trash, rebooting the PC immediately after that. 

Re-installing rarely solves problems.  

Which folders did you delete?  You need to remove all the configuration
as well as the actual mails. The locations of everything is in the Help
system.

Do you still have the PST files?  Rather than moving things from the VM
can you just re-import the PST files.

> 
> I really wanted Evolution to work. It is now the repository for all I
> have done in these last thirty years, but unless there is a way to
> fix what ails this program, while it allowed me to make the move off
> Windows, it is now only a vault for old emails and that is not good.

A possible route is to install an IMAP server on your mail server - I
run Exim & Dovecot on single CPU VMs and it barely registers a load
level.  Then connect the Evolution on the VM to that server and copy
everything on to IMAP. Then on your "real" Evolution, just set it up to
use IMAP and leave it like that. Your mail will then be stored on the
server and you don't need to worry about overloading. Your incoming
mail server will be able to put mail directly into the IMAP server's
data store - and Hey Presto! you've got a resilient setup and you can
use multiple clients to get at your mail.

But I will just add that your level of mail is easily handled by
Evolution.  There should not be any limit that you will be able to
reach so long as your mail store is set to Maildir which has been the
default for a long time.

P.


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Re: [Evolution] What do I do now? V2

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Sat, 2022-11-05 at 14:36 +0100, Ralf Mardorf via evolution-list
wrote:
> On Sat, 2022-11-05 at 14:26 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > 1.
> > https://osuosl.org/services/hosting/
> > https://osuosl.org/request-hosting/
> 
> The mc mailing list already migrated from gnome.org to OSU OSL.
> Yury V. Zaytsev yury at shurup.com seems to be the one responsible
> for
> doing it. Consider to ask Yury V. Zaytsev.
> 
> https://lists.midnight-commander.org/pipermail/mc/2022-October/005510.html
> https://lists.midnight-commander.org/mailman/listinfo/mc

I've contacted OSUOSL about this. Let's see what they say.

poc
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