Re: [Evolution] How do you retroactively train Bogofilter's spam / ham filters on multiple computers using existing messages (on an IMAP account)?
I see! Thank you very much for the confirmation that I can simply sync the Bogofilter wordlist file, and the "insert an unmarked message into the email folder" training workaround (if I ever need to re-train the whole thing again from scratch someday). That clarification is much appreciated (I wondered now if something about this could be relevant to the documentation page in the user manual, or if that's considered too niche?) ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
[Evolution] How do you retroactively train Bogofilter's spam / ham filters on multiple computers using existing messages (on an IMAP account)?
Hi folks, After years and years of not being known to spammers, one of my IMAP email addresses got found, and I'm now slowly starting to get spam on it. That IMAP account does not have server-side spam filtering (because that's a PITA to try to figure out with my host) and I thought I'd simply use Evolution's antispam features. I read through many email threads from years prior in this mailing list regarding spam filters, and it seems like the usual recommendation (by POC & Ralf :) is to go with Bogofilter, i.e. that SpamAssassin is more for (high-traffic) servers and Bogofilter is better-suited for mail clients as a fine-tuned purely statistical approach to filtering. So alright, I installed evolution-bogofilter and turned it on. Then I thought I'd be clever and select my many years' worth of ham messages and Right-click, "Mark as NOT Junk", and select the few spam messages I already had filed in my server-side IMAP "spam" folder, right-click, "Mark as Junk", in order to get super accurate filtering from the start by leveraging existing data. This seems to be working for my desktop computer I'm doing this on now, as the Evolution statusbar gave me progress indications on "Learning new ham messages in [the account and folder name] [percentage complete]" while I was doing that. Cool. Now here's the twist. I went to my laptop to do the same, and there... it doesn't let me do that at all (those actions are grayed out, even though Bogofilter is installed and enabled there), presumably because Evolution marked them on the server with some sort of IMAP flag I would guess? If so, is there any smart way to retroactively train Evolution's bogofilter on what is and isn't spam on multiple computers on an IMAP account? Essentially, I want a way to right-click (or anything else in the UI) and "force train as spam/ham" depending on the folders I select; currently it seems like the Evolution UI forbids me from doing that (by disabling the actions, whether in the menus, keyboard shortcuts, or buttons). Am I missing something, or is this ability simply missing, and if so should I file a ticket about it? Otherwise, in the meantime (or alternatively), is it a smart move to use Unison to propagate the ~/.bogofilter/wordlist.db (presuming that's the one and only file that governs the filter) from my desktop computer to my other computers when I need to? ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Understanding the "Free form expression" syntax (GMail-like search with conditional operators)
I have tried looking around and did not find any further documentation on this, other than one person in asking the same kind of question in a distro forum: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=264559 I did not find anything else in this list here or in the issues tracker. Are the example "or:(blah blah)" queries I mentioned in my previous email supposed to work? ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
[Evolution] Understanding the "Free form expression" syntax (GMail-like search with conditional operators)
Hi there, I'm running Evolution 3.42.4 and I'm having trouble understanding the free-form search syntax that was preliminarily documented here: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=550796#c10 As referenced there (and reportedly now integrated in the manual directly in the upcoming Evolution version): https://help.gnome.org/users/evolution/stable/mail-searching.html.en I have tried a fairly simple search in my inbox, where I wanted to see all the messages from a colleague (Marjorie) that come either via one of her email addresses, or from notifications from Trello. I tried these permutations: trello or:(marjorie) trello OR:(marjorie) subject:trello or:(from:trello) or:(from:marjorie) f:trello or:(f:marjorie) f:Trello or:(f:Marjorie) f:rello or:(f:arjorie) ...with various permutations of uppercase/lowercase/shorthand vs full length, etc. I never can seem to get search results out of this "Free form expression" search mode, whereas if I use the regular "Subject or Addresses contain" search mode, I can easily find either anything that came from Marjorie, or I can find everything related to Trello (simply by searching "trello"), but not both at the same time since that search mode does not support conditional operators as far as I know. Hence my (so far unsuccessful) attempt at using the "Free form expression" search mode. Do you see something wrong in my examples of search queries above? Evolution's is confusing to me in that regard. Am I supposed to use only the long versions, or the short versions, or any work? (might be good to specify explicitly that any of those two styles can be used). Are queries case sensitive (I hope not, because I have no guarantee that the sender will be consistent) or were the last two queries above equivalent? (the docs should specify that :) I tried breaking down the problem into smaller components, and could confirm that all of these queries work, individually: f:rello f:marjorie from:marjo ...etc. So it seems case-insensitive (yay!) and that the basic search fields work... just not when using the "or:" operator like this: from:marjo or:(from:trello) I _thought_ I understood Evolution's syntax but maybe I didn't. I'm not sure if it's me, the docs, or the software. GMail's documentation is quite easier for me to understand, perhaps because it uses a lot of examples and is consistent with what we've been used to with Google Search over the past two decades: https://support.google.com/mail/answer/7190?hl=en Their syntax feels a bit easier to handle, with the simple use of the word "OR" as an operator (and you can group terms with parentheses if it's more than two terms around the OR condition), you can use "-" as the "NOT" operator, etc. so it feels a bit cleaner than needing to use "or:(foo)" everywhere, if I understood Evolution's syntax correctly. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
