Re: [Evolution] Stuck on fetching POP3 mail, how to debug?

[Martin Wagner]

Unrelated to any previous post, hence no quote:

Since I started Evfolution with debugging, it got almost never again
stuck on fetching mails. Yesterday it happened again, and since I had
the time, I just let it sit at it again. Btw: I haven't looked into the
further debugging some of you mentioned before, sry.

Anyway, after quite some time, probably two hours or more, Evolution
decided to wake up and unfreeze again. At that point it looked just
like it orderly finished its transmission.

Concluding I have to say: This is way too random for me to put any
effort into it and try to diagnose. I will look into it again if the
frequency increases.

Thanks for the many patient hints and tips.

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Re: [Evolution] Stuck on fetching POP3 mail, how to debug?

[Martin Wagner]

> Every so often Evolution gets stuck completely on fetching mail,
> usually from the same three of my seven mail accounts. It's on the
> POP3 mailboxes only, and while one is a German freemail service, the
> other two are on my own server. Nothing really helps but to forcibly
> close Evolution, and when I restart it the emails in question are
> marked as "read" on the server (checked via webmail) and will no
> longer be downloaded. In some cases this is crucial if it's bills for
> my business, which I need to receive ofc., and archive.

Hey there again, back on topic: Just now it happened again. Sadly the
logfile (generated by "CAMEL_DEBUG=pop3 evolution >& logfile") doesn't
show any hint for me. It just stopped mid-sentence:

/build/evolution-data-server-R_OWch/evolution-data-server-
3.36.4/src/camel/providers/pop3/camel-pop3-folde

Per my previous experience I can leave it sit like this, fully
unresponsive, for hours. Only help is shutting down Evolution
forcefully, often even the hard way using xkill. This time it responded
to clicking the window frame [x] (in my case still upper right corner),
which resulted in this message:

(evolution:2276): GLib-GIO-WARNING **: 09:23:20.921: Your application
did not unregister from D-Bus before destruction. Consider using
g_application_run().
r.c(1201): message_time= [1597906886]

After that it's a few more normal lines of pop3 stream messages, and an
orderly closing of that stream (compared to the other mail accounts I
have).

I found no errors and nothing out of order except of these two
messages.

What troubles me a lot though is that this happened to a "new" mail
account today, one it hasn't happened to before. And one out of my
control, it's one of my work accounts.

Any thoughts or ideas? Any way to search in much more detail? Thank
you.

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Re: [Evolution] Evolution Editor needs serious attention

[Martin Wagner]

> > Funny where this discussion turned, no?
>
> It's strange that it's only recently been raised and now gets
> frequently brought up ... it's almost as if there's some concerted
> effort from somewhere ...

For my part, I strongly deny this very thought. I am an individual,
writing my own thoughts and certainly not receiving any orders in this
respect.

On the other hand, what effect is this supposed to have, if it were
true? What do you expect - or fear?

I sense a certain feeling of nostalgia, and quite some pride in the
history you (plural) folks have in here. And quite rightfully so. The
list archive shows 20 years of support history, that's quite something.
On the other hand you cannot deny the strong head wind one encounters
if they ever dare question the "old" methods, the ways it's always
been.


Meh, I didn't want to engage any deeper in this discussion, especially
after the starting post to this very topic. My apologies. You are the
people who offer answers on this list, so it's up to you to decide its
form and extent. I hereby retreat to my own issue, which hasn't occured
again since I am using the debugging... Sorry.

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Re: [Evolution] Stuck on fetching POP3 mail, how to debug?

[Martin Wagner]

Thank you, you two, for the hint towards debugging. All I found earlier
was involving bug buddy, which is gnome 2, afaik, and no longer
existing.

Could you give me a hint, some keyword maybe, to look for in the
logfile? The error hasn't happened today when I executed it with
debugging, but the file has a decent size nevertheless.

Many thanks, Martin

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[Evolution] Stuck on fetching POP3 mail, how to debug?

[Martin Wagner]

Hey there folks,
here I am with another issue I have no clue about how to solve:

Every so often Evolution gets stuck completely on fetching mail,
usually from the same three of my seven mail accounts. It's on the POP3
mailboxes only, and while one is a German freemail service, the other
two are on my own server. Nothing really helps but to forcibly close
Evolution, and when I restart it the emails in question are marked as
"read" on the server (checked via webmail) and will no longer be
downloaded. In some cases this is crucial if it's bills for my
business, which I need to receive ofc., and archive.

Now every other application I would start from the command line and
watch the (error) output when things like this happen. Not so with
Evolution - there is no output whatsoever.

Simple question: What can I do to solve this?

Thanks in advance for any helpful contribution.

Basic info on my system: Mint Mate 20, all updates installed, Evolution
3.36.3-0ubuntu1
The same issue existed before the upgrade from Mint 19.3 to 20,
probably even with earlier versions, but it's happening more often and
with more important emails recently.

Cheers, Martin

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Re: [Evolution] Evolution forces conversion from mbox to maildir

[Martin Wagner]

Am Mittwoch, den 11.12.2019, 12:52 +0100 schrieb mw...@web.de:
> > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 11. Dezember 2019 um 09:43 Uhr
> > Von: mw...@web.de
> > An: evolution-list@gnome.org
> > Betreff: Re: [Evolution] Evolution forces conversion from mbox to
> > maildir
> >
> > > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 11. Dezember 2019 um 09:17 Uhr
> > > Von: "Milan Crha via evolution-list" 
> > > An: evolution-list@gnome.org
> > > Betreff: Re: [Evolution] Evolution forces conversion from mbox to
> > > maildir
> > >
> > > On Tue, 2019-12-10 at 21:45 +0100, Martin Wagner wrote:
> > > > Do you have any solution for a working batch conversion please?
> > >
> > >   Hi,
> > > which version did you update from, please? The only forced
> > > conversion
> > > from mbox to Maildir is done for On This Computer account,
> > > located at
> > >
> > >~/.local/share/evolution/mail/local/
> > >
> > > No other accounts should be affected by it. The more importantly,
> > > the
> > > switch to Maildir for On This Computer account had been done
> > > years ago,
> > > even before 3.6.0 release (which is the second half of 2012).
> > >
> > > To know whether the migration is needed Evolution checks whether
> > >
> > >~/.local/share/evolution/mail/local/.Outbox/
> > >
> > > directory exists. If not, and if the local storage exists, then
> > > the
> > > migration is needed. Is that directory gone in your installation?
> > >   Bye,
> > >   Milan
> > >
> >
> > Thank you for the responses. @Milan:
> >
> > ~/.local/share/evolution/mail/local/ is where all of my email is
> > stored. I have five mail adresses and two for work, and on top of
> > that I have setup a number of folders in Evolution where I store a
> > ton of emails I need or want to keep. Out of these seven mail
> > accounts, six are POP3. The one IMAP works flawlessly ofc., it
> > isn't local anyway. I have set a number of filters and rules to do
> > a little of basic sorting of fetched mails into folders, and
> > spamassassin to get me rid of the spam, though that has more false
> > positives for me than filtered junk. Different story.
> >
> > Everything in there is gone now, aka moved to the inaccessible
> > local mbox account, I started with a total of zero mails after the
> > failed conversion, only the newly fetched mails appeared after a
> > few seconds.
> >
> > You say the conversion should have taken place years ago? Well in
> > that case - how can Evolution mistake the Maildir storage for mbox
> > and force the conversion? That would explain the failed attempt
> > though! Converning the .Outbox folder, that has to wait until my
> > lunchbreak or tonight. I am on my work laptop rn. I didn't change
> > anything there either, didn't delete it nor move it nor even look
> > at it the wrong way >.<
> >
> > I will check later and report back.
> >
> > Thanks again, Martin
> >
>
> Ok this seems to be the initial issue
> really.  ~/.local/share/evolution/mail/local/.Outbox/ is missing. I
> manually unpacked my backup and replaced ~/.local/share/evolution/
> completely, then I tried to just create the .Outbox - now Evolution
> starts correctly, but I still cannot access any other folder than the
> Inbox, all others cannot be read ("Not a valid maildir folder") or
> just appear empty.
> One exception is the folder "Work Inbox" which is filled by the
> filters I mentioned earlier. It displays the error (not valid ...)
> but shows some unread messages. in the overview on the left.
>
> Next I am gonna try and apply an older update to see if that fixes
> the issue. Replacing both ~/.local/share/evolution/ and
> ~/.config/evolution/ from the latest backup had the very same result
> I just described.
>
> I would be grateful for any further input. Thank you. Martin
>

Thank God I do a full backup every 15 days, and set my POP3 email
accounts to retain old messages for 30 days.

This is what solved my issue:

the second latest backup still had the

~/.local/share/evolution/mail/local/.Outbox

folder so I removed the

~/.local/share/evolution/

folder again and restored it from that second latest backup. Evolution
fired up nicely and was quite busy for the next minutes downloading a
truckload of emails. A quick check told me I miss none so far, but if I
did I still had that latest backup, which might be not working
correctly in that department, but still a manual import of messages
worked when I tried it 

[Evolution] Evolution forces conversion from mbox to maildir

[Martin Wagner]

Hey everybody!
I can't imagine that I am the first one to run into this. Still I found
no solution, neither did I get any kind of response from the Linux Mint
forums, so I am asking here.

System info: Mint 19.2 Mate, all updates installed, Kernel latest 5.3;
Evolution V.3.28.5-0ubuntu0.18.04.1 (which is the latest available for
my Mint 19.2 ootb)

As of today (written on Dec 5th, 2019), after an update probably,
Evolution refused to start without converting my email storage from
mbox to maildir. Since I had no choice anyway, I agreed and started the
conversion (I have a backup as of yesterday, luckily!) and waited quite
a bit. Yes, it's a single thread conversion, and we are talking about a
massive archive here.

Once it started, then, I found that not a single mail had been
converted. All I got to see were the latest mails received today. Also
the local folder containing the backup of the former mbox archive was
entirely inaccessible, not a single mail I tried to open showed up,
just an error message (roughly translated from German: Failed to open
folder, folder cur/ doesn't exist.).

Well I employed my backup and got all my working mbox files back. While
using the manual import of Evolution on over 7000 single files is
simply impossible, I searched the web for a solution and stumbled over
mb2md. Gave it a try, of course. The outcome was just as great as
Evolution's conversion itself: The few files it did not skip because of
the leading dot, it did not recognize as valid mbox file and skipped
them as well (The manual import of Evolution recognizes them though and
works correctly on a single file.). It seems to me like Evolution used
an own integrated mb2md algorithm, because that would explain the
similar outcome.

Enough speculation. Do you have any solution for a working batch
conversion please? Thanx.

Cheers, Martin

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Re: [Evolution] Evolution and tor network proxy

[Martin Wagner]

On Tue, 2017-12-05 at 18:57 +, martin.wag...@mailbit.io wrote:
> December 5, 2017 8:59 AM, "Milan Crha"  wrote:
> > I see that the address resolution doesn't use the proxy setting.
> > Would
> > you mind to file a bug in GNOME bugzilla [1], thus it can be
> > tracked,
> > please? And more importantly, are you able to test any change I
> > might
> > make, please? I do not think I'm able to properly test it here,
> > even
> > the change is mostly straightforward.
> 
> Thanks for the feedback. I filed a bug https://bugzilla.gnome.org/sho
> w_bug.cgi?id=791280

Any progress on the issue?

/Martin
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Re: [Evolution] Message filters

[Martin Wagner]

On Fri, 2018-01-26 at 07:32 -0800, Andre Klapper wrote:
> On Fri, 2018-01-26 at 12:43 +0100, Martin Wagner wrote:
> > So I've subscribed to fedora package announce list, but I don't
> > care
> > for any mail regarding fedora 26, so I've setup two filters. The
> > first
> > one checks if it is from this mailing list AND the subject contain
> > "Fedora 26" then it should be deleted. Then there's second filter
> > that
> > checks if it is from this mailing list and if so move to a
> > specified
> > folder. 
> > 
> > The problem is that the first (and it is above the second one in
> > the
> > list) filter doesn't seem to have any effect on incoming mails,
> > they
> > all end up in the folder. But then when I go to the folder and
> > select
> > some Fedora 26 mails and press ctrl-y, then they get deleted.
> 
> If the first rule does not have a "Stop Processing" action item then
> the second rule will be applied.
> https://help.gnome.org/users/evolution/stable/mail-filters-not-workin
> g.html


Thanks for the info, Andre and Pete. I'll add the Stop Processing to
the rule.
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Re: [Evolution] Message filters

[Martin Wagner]

On Fri, 2018-01-26 at 11:57 +, Reid Thompson wrote:
> check
> 
> Edit/Preferences
> select mail accounts
> select the account
> select edit
> select receiving options
> is the checkbox for Apply filters to new messages in inbox on this
> server selected?

Yes it is.
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[Evolution] Message filters

[Martin Wagner]

Hi

I trying to figure out if I'm using the filters wrong or if there's a
bug. I've got Evolution 3.26.4 on a Fedora 27. 

So I've subscribed to fedora package announce list, but I don't care
for any mail regarding fedora 26, so I've setup two filters. The first
one checks if it is from this mailing list AND the subject contain
"Fedora 26" then it should be deleted. Then there's second filter that
checks if it is from this mailing list and if so move to a specified
folder. 

The problem is that the first (and it is above the second one in the
list) filter doesn't seem to have any effect on incoming mails, they
all end up in the folder. But then when I go to the folder and select
some Fedora 26 mails and press ctrl-y, then they get deleted.

Any advice?
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Re: [Evolution] Evolution and tor network proxy

[martin . wagner]

December 5, 2017 8:59 AM, "Milan Crha"  wrote:
> I see that the address resolution doesn't use the proxy setting. Would
> you mind to file a bug in GNOME bugzilla [1], thus it can be tracked,
> please? And more importantly, are you able to test any change I might
> make, please? I do not think I'm able to properly test it here, even
> the change is mostly straightforward.

Thanks for the feedback. I filed a bug 
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=791280

I might be able to help out to test, provided the instructions are clear. An 
other thought is that perhaps you could ask if mailbit.io would provide a free 
test account for you to use. Myself, I'm not associated with them, just using 
their service.

Regards
Martin
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Re: [Evolution] Evolution and tor network proxy

[martin . wagner]

December 5, 2017 8:59 AM, "Milan Crha"  wrote:
> I see that the address resolution doesn't use the proxy setting. Would
> you mind to file a bug in GNOME bugzilla [1], thus it can be tracked,
> please? And more importantly, are you able to test any change I might
> make, please? I do not think I'm able to properly test it here, even
> the change is mostly straightforward.

Thanks for the feedback. I filed a bug 
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=791280

I might be able to help out to test, provided the instructions are clear. An 
other thought is that perhaps you could ask if mailbit.io would provide a free 
test account for you to use. Myself, I'm not associated with them, just using 
their service.

Regards
Martin
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Re: [Evolution] Evolution and tor network proxy

[martin . wagner]

Anyone who knows if Evolution has the capability to resolve an .onion address 
when going through a custom proxy?

Regards
Martin

December 1, 2017 2:15 PM, martin.wag...@mailbit.io wrote:

> Hi
> 
> I'm trying to set up an IMAP account in Evolution (3.24.6-1.fc26) that would 
> connect through a
> network proxy. I've also have other IMAP accounts in Evolution so I just want 
> this one account to
> go through a proxy. I thought it would just be to go to Network Preferences 
> and define a custom
> proxy, but it doesn't work. Evolution displays a question mark next to the 
> account. If I don't go
> through the proxy the IMAP account connects fine. This is the configuration 
> instructions I'm
> following https://mailbit.io/configuration What I did was to define a Socks 
> Proxy at localhost:9050
> and tag this one account to use it. I know that the proxy works fine, because 
> if I tell Gnome to
> use it in All Settings -> Network that for example Firefox uses that proxy. 
> 
> Am I missing something here?
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[Evolution] Evolution and tor network proxy

[martin . wagner]

Hi

I'm trying to set up an IMAP account in Evolution (3.24.6-1.fc26) that would 
connect through a network proxy. I've also have other IMAP accounts in 
Evolution so I just want this one account to go through a proxy. I thought it 
would just be to go to Network Preferences and define a custom proxy, but it 
doesn't work. Evolution displays a question mark next to the account.  If I 
don't go through the proxy the IMAP account connects fine. This is the 
configuration instructions I'm following https://mailbit.io/configuration What 
I did was to define a Socks Proxy at localhost:9050 and tag this one account to 
use it. I know that the proxy works fine, because if I tell Gnome to use it in 
All Settings -> Network that for example Firefox uses that proxy. 

Am I missing something here?
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