Re: [Evolution] meeting request handling
On Thu, 2012-01-19 at 16:38 +, Reid Thompson wrote: > evo 3.2.4 > > When I get a meeting request, it arrives as an 'email'. > Upon accepting the meeting request, it gets added to my calendar and > disappears from my 'email' -- where does the ?*deleted*? meeting request > email go? It's not in 'Deleted Items' or any other folder that I can > find. > In 3.2.2 it doesn't delete it. It simply marks it read. Unless that's an IMAP thing or even it could be part of the issue I'm experiencing with the data-server crashing while inserting the event... Phil ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evo 3.2.2 Outlook meeting requests TNEF/winmail.dat
On Thu, 2012-01-19 at 17:09 +0100, Andre Klapper wrote: > On Thu, 2012-01-19 at 11:03 -0500, Philippe LeCavalier wrote: > > On Thu, 2012-01-19 at 16:54 +0100, Milan Crha wrote: > > > it would be good to post the issue into Fedora's bugzilla > > > > > Did that already. No one has updated the report yet. > > Please provide the bug number or link. > [In general: Make it easy to access data if you want help.] > Okay. Agreed. I'm in ABRT but can't find any ref to the bugzilla number. I filed the bug a on the 11th of Dec and then updated a few times since. Phil ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evo 3.2.2 Outlook meeting requests TNEF/winmail.dat
On Thu, 2012-01-19 at 16:54 +0100, Milan Crha wrote: > On Thu, 2012-01-19 at 09:47 -0500, Philippe LeCavalier wrote: > > I've experienced this on-and-off over the years but lately it's much > > worst. 9/10 times I receive a meeting request from Outlook 2007/2010 > > users, the attached meeting is corrupt. When I click one of the > > buttons I get a notice from Fedora that the data-server failed. I've > > tried all kinds of different approaches ie. checkboxes > > checked/unchecked diff buttons...etc. > > Hi, > it would be good to post the issue into Fedora's bugzilla, and from it > find out what is wrong, whether it's a new issue or already known, and > so on. The ABRT report usually contains backtrace of the crash, thus > developers can look where the crash happened, and sometimes identify why > it happened. I would try this, when it crashes for you again. Only make > sure you've installed debuginfo packages for evolution-data-server, and > other evolution-* packages you use, of the same version as the binary > packages, and then generate backtrace locally. > Bye, > Milan > Did that already. No one has updated the report yet. Phil ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
[Evolution] Evo 3.2.2 Outlook meeting requests TNEF/winmail.dat
Hi All. I've experienced this on-and-off over the years but lately it's much worst. 9/10 times I receive a meeting request from Outlook 2007/2010 users, the attached meeting is corrupt. When I click one of the buttons I get a notice from Fedora that the data-server failed. I've tried all kinds of different approaches ie. checkboxes checked/unchecked diff buttons...etc. The _only_ thing that seems to work is either delete/recreating my calendar or simply creating a new one. On the first meeting request and for a few others Evo allows me to accept them. Thereafter I'm back to 9/10 failing. I have no idea what's allowing me to accept 1/10 mostly because it's so infrequent I'm not noticing a pattern. Anyway. Any insight/assistance/suggestions are greatly appreciated. I don't particularly care about these meeting requests personally but they are an absolute must professionally. Here's some potentially useful background nfo: Fedora 16 32-bit Evo 3.2.2 I've only received invites from MS Outlook 2007/2010 -I used to get them from a client that was on 2003 a few months ago but that was also on an older version of Evo(3.2.1 I think) on Debian testing. Hm. In the interest of troubleshooting standards and proper "flow of information" from me to you, I have to mention that...I closed Evo just now to re-launch from the terminal so I could post the error the data-server spits out and low-and-behold I just successfully accepted 3 invites in a row! Now I have _no clue_ what's going on. My inability to eccpt meeting requests has been going on for some time and has gotten significant;y worst since I switched to Fedora a ~month ago. I don't imagine this has much to do if anything, with Fedora but more so the Evo version Deb vers. Fedora uses. But that's just a gut feeling and a bit of experience in troubleshooting talking. So I guess my first question now is: Is anyone else in this predicament? and If so, can we compare circumstances please? Sorry for the lengthy msg but this is important to me. Cheers, Phil ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] system unusable after accepting Outlook invite
On Wed, 2011-10-26 at 19:10 +0200, Milan Crha wrote: > On Wed, 2011-10-26 at 08:26 -0400, Philippe LeCavalier wrote: > > Evo becomes completely unusable when clicking any of the buttons for > > appointment invites. Debug isn't showing anything useful. > > > > Anyone else have this? > > > > I'm using Evo 3.2.0 on Ubuntu Natty/Oneiric Ocelot(11.10) > > Hi, > it depends what you call useful. The itip-formatter does the event > update synchronously in the main thread, which means the UI is locked. > It should be better in 3.2.1, but it still blocks the UI. It should > recover after some time. There is filled a bug report for it too, I only > do not have the number/link handy. hm. Well, I can see it lock. But it never 'unlocks'. I'm forced to kill Evo and restart. I'll try to find that bug and see if it's related... Phil ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
[Evolution] system unusable after accepting Outlook invite
Hi Evo becomes completely unusable when clicking any of the buttons for appointment invites. Debug isn't showing anything useful. Anyone else have this? I'm using Evo 3.2.0 on Ubuntu Natty/Oneiric Ocelot(11.10) Cheers, Phil ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
[Evolution] Mark as Read not remembered
Hi All. For some odd reason messages marked as read aren't remembered after closing/opening Evo. This only started happening after I moved my mail from local maildir back to my remote Courier IMAP. I'm on Evo 2.32.2 from Deb Wheezy. -- Philippe LeCavalier ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] filter && forwarding incoming mail
Quoting Matthias Apitz : Hello, I wanted to setup a filter in Evo which forwards incoming mail, based on the senders addr, to some other account... and I'm surprised that there is no action option for this, really? Thanks matthias -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.unixarea.de/ ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list Mathias, This is just my opinion but what you are referring to is beyond the scope of any MUA. If you use IMAP, look at the IMAPFilter project it does exactly what you want. Or look at what your mail host can offer you server-side. Phil ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Feedback
Quoting Pete Biggs : On Tue, 2011-01-11 at 20:11 -0500, Philippe LeCavalier wrote: On Tue, 2011-01-11 at 14:02 -0600, Albert Wagner wrote: > I am a new evolution user on Ubuntu 10.10. An initial observation: mail > folders often show some unread when there are no unread. When I click to > mark all unread as read, I get a dialog asking if I want subdirectories > as well as current directory, then after all that, the folder still > shows the same unread number. Only a close/reopen seems to clear it. > > It is annoying that the dialog keeps requesting indication of subdirs or > just current. Couldn't/Shouldn't that be a preference option? I mentioned this here a while back and couldn't get anyone to agree it was annoying so I never filed a bug report on it...I knew I wouldn't be the only one :) Anyone else? Didn't Matthew just say that this was fixed in 2.32? Yes. Didn't my response precede his? And it seems particularly illogical to highlight something as a bug and then not report it - so what if you are the only person affected, it may be symptomatic of an underlying more serious issue or it may just be an edge case, but let the developers decide. When the person receiving the bug tells you it's not important there's little purpose in filling said bug. ;) Ironically it got fixed nonetheless. Perhaps I misunderstood something at the time...dunno. Phil ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] A suggested convenience feature
On Tue, 2011-01-11 at 22:53 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Tue, 2011-01-11 at 20:03 -0600, Albert Wagner wrote: > > It would be nice if the right click on a message menu contained a "reply > > to list" option, as does the main Message menu. > > Bugzilla. > > poc > Have I gone crazy or did a previous revision have that feature? Phil BTW FYI CTRL+L will do the trick to. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Feedback
On Tue, 2011-01-11 at 14:02 -0600, Albert Wagner wrote: > I am a new evolution user on Ubuntu 10.10. An initial observation: mail > folders often show some unread when there are no unread. When I click to > mark all unread as read, I get a dialog asking if I want subdirectories > as well as current directory, then after all that, the folder still > shows the same unread number. Only a close/reopen seems to clear it. > > It is annoying that the dialog keeps requesting indication of subdirs or > just current. Couldn't/Shouldn't that be a preference option? I mentioned this here a while back and couldn't get anyone to agree it was annoying so I never filed a bug report on it...I knew I wouldn't be the only one :) Anyone else? Phil <>___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
[Evolution] Auto-Completion From Address Book
Hi All. Just tackling a few Evo pet-peeves this morning... In Evo 2.30.2, when I let Evo auto-complete the recipient's address it breaks the section when I select the desired address using the enter key if I enter the persons email address rather then simply typing their name. The result is something like this: Persons full name I found this quite difficult to reproduce but somehow it happens to me all the time. Thanks, Phil ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] View Message Headers Keyboard Toggle?
On Mon, 2011-01-10 at 17:31 +0200, Andre Klapper wrote: > On Mo, 2011-01-10 at 10:25 -0500, Philippe LeCavalier wrote: > > Hi All. > > > > Silly question here. But I can't seem to find any reference as to > > whether or not Evo has a kbd shortcut to toggle viewing msg headers or > > not. > > There's no shortcut shown under "View > All Message Headers", so there > is none. > > andre Thought so...https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=639152 Thanks, Phil ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
[Evolution] View Message Headers Keyboard Toggle?
Hi All. Silly question here. But I can't seem to find any reference as to whether or not Evo has a kbd shortcut to toggle viewing msg headers or not. Thanks, Phil ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Search Folders on IMAP+
On Wed, 2011-01-05 at 20:29 +0100, Milan Crha wrote: > On Wed, 2011-01-05 at 13:29 -0500, Philippe LeCavalier wrote: > > Yes. I noticed that so at least it's not hard to recover. Forcing a > > reset could be dangerous considering Evo could be intimately connected > > to other sockets during which time it's hanging on others...In my case > > it's not inconsistant at all. I can count on it hanging at 0%. I think > > Adam's suggestion of turning some additional logging on is likely the > > only way to "see" more info. > > > > Thanks again. I'll reply if I find anything. > > Hi, > what about trying to see what is evolution doing that the process got > stuck at 0%? Please install debug info packages for > evolution-data-server and evolution. Then enter your search folder (the > best when the initial update of folders after start will be done), and > then run this command on a console: >$ gdb --batch --ex "t a a bt" -pid=PID &>/tmp/bt.txt > where PID is a process ID of a running evolution (you can get it by, for > example, ps -A | grep evo). > > Then get the /tmp/bt.txt file, check if it doesn't contain any private > data, like passwords, usernames, server addresses you do not want to > share with others, and then post it here, though dealing with this > through https://bugzilla.gnome.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Evolution would > be better, to not bother other users/readers of this list. > > You can also try to get backtrace after some time, say a minute or five, > to see whether anything changes. Please check your CPU usage, which may > indicate some processing and make sure you'll write exact versions of > evolution-data-server and evolution you are using. > Thanks and bye, > Milan Those are certainly the best technical approches :) Just out of curiosity I tried removing the "is not" conditions(2) and the search completed in no time and has all the relevant mail in it. So there appears to be something with that condition... Maybe the above would help flush that out...I always try the lists before posting bugs just to avoid user issue clogging the system. If this does turn out to be a bug I will certainly report it. Besides I don't think anyone here minds? Is this in part what this list is for? If not then my understanding of mailing lists is very inaccurate. Phil <>___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Search Folders on IMAP+
On Wed, 2011-01-05 at 11:14 -0500, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > On Wed, 2011-01-05 at 11:37 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > On Wed, 2011-01-05 at 09:42 -0500, Philippe LeCavalier wrote: > > > i) I cannot confirm whether or not Evo or the server for that matter > > > is in fact unsubscribing me from certain folders since the checkmark > > > in Evo remains and the folder subscription settings in any webmail > > > client is correct. However, the folder(s) in question are no longer in > > > the folder list. So whether I'm unsubscribed or not the folder isn't > > > visible until I either remove and add the the checkmark in Evo OR I > > > unsubscribe and subscribe to said folder in a webmail client. > > The synchronization points between Evo and the server are something that > > don't seem to be documented in any obvious way. Evo appears to use "lazy > > synch", i.e. it only contacts the server when it has to. This can lead > > to apparent inconsistencies between multiple IMAP clients (including any > > webmail clients of course), but note that the IMAP spec explicitly does > > not define what is supposed to happen in these cases, so it's not > > technically a bug. > > Mmm, with IDLE support it should be pretty consistent. And enabling [if > supported] CONDSTORE extensions on the server may help as well. > > But I think that only helps with messages; I don't think it does > anything about subscribe/unsubscribe events. > > I'd enable telemetry logging on your IMAP server and induce [or wait > for] the bug. Thank you both for the insight. > > > > ii) The search folders function hangs on random folders at 0% > > > complete. When I click the exit to terminate the folder in question > > > disappears from me folder list and the above mentioned proceed needs > > > to be performed before I can see the folder again. > > I used to get this a lot, then with 2.30 it seemed to have been fixed, > > and now with 2.32 it has come back, though less than before. It's hard > > to reproduce and seems to happen essentially at random. I've suggested > > on previous occasions that Evo needs a way to force a reset of its > > network connections, rather than just hanging indefinitely, but since I > > don't know the precise details of what's going on it's not so easy to > > make a case for this, except to say that if you force-shutdown and > > restart than Evo usually recovers. Yes. I noticed that so at least it's not hard to recover. Forcing a reset could be dangerous considering Evo could be intimately connected to other sockets during which time it's hanging on others...In my case it's not inconsistant at all. I can count on it hanging at 0%. I think Adam's suggestion of turning some additional logging on is likely the only way to "see" more info. Thanks again. I'll reply if I find anything. Phil ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
[Evolution] Search Folders on IMAP+
Hi Everyone. As a follow-up to an issue I brought up in "Been around the block again..." where I mention an issue using search folders and eluded that when the search folders function I had created crashed Evo seemingly unsubscribed me to my IMAP folders. To clear up a few things, i) I cannot confirm whether or not Evo or the server for that matter is in fact unsubscribing me from certain folders since the checkmark in Evo remains and the folder subscription settings in any webmail client is correct. However, the folder(s) in question are no longer in the folder list. So whether I'm unsubscribed or not the folder isn't visible until I either remove and add the the checkmark in Evo OR I unsubscribe and subscribe to said folder in a webmail client. ii) The search folders function hangs on random folders at 0% complete. When I click the exit to terminate the folder in question disappears from me folder list and the above mentioned proceed needs to be performed before I can see the folder again. iii) Once I loose the fodler in the folder list Evo automatically updates the relavent Message Filter(s) accordingly - basically, Evo remove the path to the folder since it technically no longer exists. Re-adding the path after the proceed in i) does not automatically add the path in the relevat filiter...Understandably, since it's a technically a new path. ***This was the case while I had the IMAP+ chosen in the Mail Accounts settings. The symptom only vary slightly if one chooses IMAP in that the "unsubscribing" syndrom doesn't transpire. Nevertheless, The search function still hangs at 0% complete.*** Details of the search folder in question: Folder name 'pre2009' without the quotes. Conditions: Include threads->none All conditions are met i) Date Recieved->is before->31-Dec 2009 ii) Message Location->is not->path/within/IMAP/mailbox iii)Message Location->is not->another/path/within/IMAP/mailbox 'All active remote folders' is checked My goal here is to have all the pre-2009 mail in one folder so I can archive it locally. I do this every year to clean-house...As you can see by the rule I've lapsed a little ;) so there allot of mail to parse but I've let the process go for over 30 minutes on several occasions and it never got paste 0%. At least now when I cancel it the folder it's looking in doesn't disappear from the list! I don't have much experience with search fodlers so maybe there's something I'm not grasping - I usually just comb through the fodler manually to accomplish the same task. Any insight would be greatly appreciate... Cheers, Phil P.S. CM performed this task flawlessly...Surely Evo is up for the challenge! <>___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] importing mail from Claws-mail
On Tue, 2011-01-04 at 23:11 +, Richard wrote: > > Thanks Phil. I haevn't found how to do this, it it in the preferences > menu ? or elsewhere. I've just started to use Evo, so a bit unfamiliar > of some of the setup. > > thanks > Under Preferences->Mail accounts settings->Receiving Phil ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Been around the block again...
On Tue, 2011-01-04 at 22:03 +, Pete Biggs wrote: > On Tue, 2011-01-04 at 14:22 -0500, Philippe LeCavalier wrote: > > On Tue, 2011-01-04 at 18:48 +, Pete Biggs wrote: > > > > > Are you *sure* it's Evo doing that? Could it be your server doing it? > > > It sounds very unlike something that Evo would do and it's certainly not > > > something I have ever seen. > > Yup. Positive. If I open subscriptions. I must remove the checkmark > > and add it again to see the folder. > > I would interpret that in exactly the opposite way! Evo thinks you are > still subscribed otherwise it would have removed the checkmark, so it's > not Evo, but your server that's doing it. > > I've seen the same sort of thing happen when another client changes the > subscriptions on the server - Evo can get very confused. If I check the account in a webmail client I'm still subscribed to tall the desired folders. > > > > > > Isn't that why you have authenticated SMTP? So you don't have to keep > > > changing SMTP servers - you just have one that allows relaying if you > > > are authenticated properly. > > > > > > Besides, I don't see what's different between selecting an account in > > > the From: drop down menu and selecting a different SMTP server in > > > whatever config/selector Thunderbird uses. > > Many ISPs I use throughout the day block TCP 25 at the gateway forcing > > everyone to use their SMTP servers. > > You should try using port 465 (as others have said). This particular provider -which is very common in my area- captures all outgoing requests and refuses to relay. They also block everything but the bare minimum so using a higher random port won't work either. Phil > > P. > > ___ > evolution-list mailing list > evolution-list@gnome.org > To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Been around the block again...
On Tue, 2011-01-04 at 14:25 -0500, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> Wierd. What IMAP server are you using? Are you using Evo's IMAP
> provider or the IMAP+ provider?
hm. Good point. I hadn't even realized it was IMAP+. Pardon my
ignorance, but what's the diff?
>
> Or go around them. VPNs work well. Or I just run an SMTP server for my
> domain on a Linode that accepts SMTP submissions on TCP/21212. Then you
> can just tell Evolution {hostname}:21212 for the SMTP configuration.
Not a huge fan of VPNs. Especially for something as light as an SMTP
connection. I use to use ssh tunnelling to reach my own server but then
the provider stopped allowing shell access(was very surprised they
allowed it in the first place!). Ironically I'm using a VPS server as of
about a month ago but simply haven't had the time.
I'm intrigued by your SMTP suggestion though...Are you suggesting I run
a local SMTP server service on my laptop? Wouldn't that still be
subjected to the same scrutiny at the ISP?
Phil
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Re: [Evolution] Been around the block again...
On Tue, 2011-01-04 at 13:22 -0500, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > On Tue, 2011-01-04 at 12:31 -0500, Philippe LeCavalier wrote: > > Well, once again I've test driven all the other viable > > Linux/cross-platform MUAs out there and have returned to Evo. I do > > this to myself every few years because something was either > > frustrating me to no end or I felt I was lacking functionality in some > > way. > > This time around, it was both...I was frustrated to no end with the > > fact that every time I loose the connection to my IMAP folders Evo > > proceeds to unsubscribe me to most if not all my folders but the > > INBOX. > > No way, it isn't Evolution doing that. IMAP subscriptions are > server-side. Evolution would have to specifically request > unsubscription for each folder. > > > One would think that's easily recoverable...Yes. Until you open the > > mote than 50 filters you have an realize the auto-update feature > > yanked the proverbial carpet out from under its own feet! > > Are you talking about subscriptions or filters? I'm saying the subscriptions are easily recovered by adding checkmark but that the lost link to the destination folder in the 50+ filters is not > > > Case in point: I just created a search folder for archiving all my > > 2009 mail and am writing this msg while Evo searches - I do this every > > year. I create a search folder for the previous years and copy the > > folder out of ~/.evo. Well, for whatever reason for every folder the > > function parses Evo unsubscribes me from that folder > > Do you mean you are manually editing the contents of the .evolution > folder? If so, don't. cp ~/.evolution/mail/filters.xml ~/backup/filters.xml > > > As far as lacking in functionality goes, I really enjoyed how granular > > Claws-Mails' msg filter settings were. Also from CM the ability to pre > > and post process messages is a thing of beauty. From TB, and I know > > this has been mentioned many times hear but...the separation of the > > SMTP settings in the accounts is a really strong feature. I realize > > one can create an SMTP account but it's much "cleaner" to have a SMTP > > section in the config for just that. > > That is essentially what an SMTP-only account is. When you reply from > folders in a given account it will default to the SMTP configuration for > that account. I'm merely talking about the way the configuration is laid out under preferences. TB has a nice little section just for this purpose. Phil > > > The other thing I noticed this time around as opposed to the others is > > just how well balanced Evo really is. It goes without saying there's a > > reason why I keep landing back on Evo as my MUA every time I do this. > > One might say I'm landing back on my feet! So thanks to all the > > community for contributing and the devs for maintaining this project. > > ___ > evolution-list mailing list > evolution-list@gnome.org > To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Been around the block again...
On Tue, 2011-01-04 at 18:48 +, Pete Biggs wrote: > Are you *sure* it's Evo doing that? Could it be your server doing it? > It sounds very unlike something that Evo would do and it's certainly not > something I have ever seen. Yup. Positive. If I open subscriptions. I must remove the checkmark and add it again to see the folder. > Isn't that why you have authenticated SMTP? So you don't have to keep > changing SMTP servers - you just have one that allows relaying if you > are authenticated properly. > > Besides, I don't see what's different between selecting an account in > the From: drop down menu and selecting a different SMTP server in > whatever config/selector Thunderbird uses. Many ISPs I use throughout the day block TCP 25 at the gateway forcing everyone to use their SMTP servers. Phil ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] importing mail from Claws-mail
On Tue, 2011-01-04 at 16:29 +, richard wrote: > Hi all > I'm trying Evo as Claws just hangs about every hour. > I would like to import my personal mail > the format appears to be plain text with headers with each message numbered. > How do I do this please Hi Richard. CM uses MH. Just choose MH-format Mail Directories in Evo and navigate to the appropriate path. Phil ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
[Evolution] Been around the block again...
Well, once again I've test driven all the other viable Linux/cross-platform MUAs out there and have returned to Evo. I do this to myself every few years because something was either frustrating me to no end or I felt I was lacking functionality in some way. This time around, it was both...I was frustrated to no end with the fact that every time I loose the connection to my IMAP folders Evo proceeds to unsubscribe me to most if not all my folders but the INBOX. One would think that's easily recoverable...Yes. Until you open the mote than 50 filters you have an realize the auto-update feature yanked the proverbial carpet out from under its own feet! Case in point: I just created a search folder for archiving all my 2009 mail and am writing this msg while Evo searches - I do this every year. I create a search folder for the previous years and copy the folder out of ~/.evo. Well, for whatever reason for every folder the function parses Evo unsubscribes me from that folder...And of course, before I have the time to realize it I see "auto-updating filters..." I'm not in anyway blaming Evo for loosing the connection BTW. I'm a freelance desktop admin so I visit many networks most of which I'm forced to use wifi while I'm working and...Again...you can see where this is headed. Anyway. All this to say it would be *really* nice if one could toggle "auto-update rules when folders(or whatever else) changes". As far as lacking in functionality goes, I really enjoyed how granular Claws-Mails' msg filter settings were. Also from CM the ability to pre and post process messages is a thing of beauty. From TB, and I know this has been mentioned many times hear but...the separation of the SMTP settings in the accounts is a really strong feature. I realize one can create an SMTP account but it's much "cleaner" to have a SMTP section in the config for just that. I notice that allot because I, like many, use a different MTA almost per network - some allow relay but most don't anymore. So having a little section just for that is really nice. The other thing I noticed this time around as opposed to the others is just how well balanced Evo really is. It goes without saying there's a reason why I keep landing back on Evo as my MUA every time I do this. One might say I'm landing back on my feet! So thanks to all the community for contributing and the devs for maintaining this project. Thanks for listening. Cheers, Phil ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] send / receive grayed out
On Thu, 2010-11-04 at 23:18 +0200, Johan Scheepers wrote: > On 04/11/2010 21:02, Pete Biggs wrote: > > On Thu, 2010-11-04 at 22:43 +0200, Johan Scheepers wrote: > > > >> On 04/11/2010 20:16, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > >> > >>> On 11/4/10 3:38 PM, Johan Scheepers wrote: > >>> > On 04/11/2010 19:00, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > > > On Thu, 2010-11-04 at 20:05 +0200, Johan Scheepers wrote: > > > >> Good day, > >> Evolution 2.30.3 > >> Debian squeeze freeze fully updated. > >> After installing squeeze i tried to use evolution but the ** send / > >> receive ** stays grayed out. > >> The rest seems fine. > >> > > You are offline. > > > Not offline - Icedove is working fine on another mail address > > >>> Doesn't matter. Did you read the URL Pete sent: > >>> http://live.gnome.org/Evolution/FAQ#Why_is_Evolution_offline_when_my_net_connection_is_working.3F > >>> > >>> > >>> Summary: you may have NetworkManager misconfigured. > >>> > >>> poc > >>> > >> This is a standalone laptop connected to dsl modem by cable. > >> Funny.. Been using evo on suse, ubuntu, pclinux with no problem. > >> So I am stucked. > >> > > Just because it works properly with other distros doesn't mean that > > Debian hasn't mucked something up. > > > > Bottom line is this: Evo gets its connection status from NetworkManager, > > if NM is not configured properly Evo thinks that there is no network > > connection and so goes off-line. Most distros manage configure NM > > properly, Debian obviously doesn't. Not the case. I'm on Deb Squeeze w/NM and everything is 100% > > > > Like Patrick I use Fedora, so I can't help you with Debian, sorry. > > However, it doesn't take an awful lot of effort to search on Google - > > e.g. search for "debian network manager config" and it comes up with a > > Debian wiki page as the first offering: It's out-of-the-box. Don't even need Google. 'apt-get install network-manager nm-applet' and run nm-applet thereafter. Phil > > > >http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager > > > > and in there there is a whole section on "NetworkManager in Squeeze" - I > > think you'll probably find that it will help you. There's even a bug > > reference for it: > > > >http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=530024 > > > > As others said - not an Evo issue. > > > > P. > > > > Thanks for your input. I am waiting for a reply on debian and wil look > at the wiki > > ___ > evolution-list mailing list > evolution-list@gnome.org > To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] send / receive grayed out
On Thu, 2010-11-04 at 22:18 +0200, Johan Scheepers wrote: > On 04/11/2010 19:26, Pete Biggs wrote: > > On Thu, 2010-11-04 at 13:00 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > > > >> On Thu, 2010-11-04 at 20:05 +0200, Johan Scheepers wrote: > >> > >>> Good day, > >>> Evolution 2.30.3 > >>> Debian squeeze freeze fully updated. > >>> After installing squeeze i tried to use evolution but the ** send / > >>> receive ** stays grayed out. > >>> The rest seems fine. > >>> > >> You are offline. > >> > > And > > > > http://live.gnome.org/Evolution/FAQ#Why_is_Evolution_offline_when_my_net_connection_is_working.3F > > > > > Offline for evolution but not for other internet applications. > > Network manager?? what am I to do?? Thanks It's been mentioned several times here that Evo relies heavily on the status of Network-Manager (or whatever you have installed to handle the status of your connectivity) to know whether or not it shold place itself on or off -line. Might not lead to anything but it's a start. Phil > > > ___ > evolution-list mailing list > evolution-list@gnome.org > To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Message Filter vs. Search Folders - Open Discussion
On Thu, 2010-11-04 at 11:00 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On 11/4/10 9:34 AM, Philippe LeCavalier wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, 2010-11-04 at 09:27 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > >> On 11/4/10 8:50 AM, Philippe LeCavalier wrote: > >> >> Meaning the time taken to run the search selection criterion on the > >> >> contents of the mailbox. This should be similar to the time taken to > >> >> run > >> >> a filter, unless the implementations are completely different. > >> > Must be different. I do see the new mail in my Inbox almost instantly > >> > but the time it takes to move them(filter them) into the respected > >> > folders is significant when compared to the time > >> > taken to perform the search function. > >> Maybe it's the move that's taking the time rather than the filter match. > >> Recall that moving in IMAP is "copy and delete". Depending on the server > >> load and its IMAP implementation (flat mbox files like UW, maildirs like > >> Dovecot, database like Gmail, file-per-message like Cyrus) this could be > >> slow. > >> > >> poc > > That's exactly what I'm thinking. both suggestions of retooling to use > > either search folders or IMAPfilter will remove that apparently > > daunting tasking from Evo. Wouldn't Sieve also be an option in that case? > > Sure, mainly because Sieve does the work when mail reaches the server, > not when Evo decides to check it. Unfortunately Evo doesn't have a Sieve > interface (though it's been asked for several times), and of course many > IMAP servers don't have Sieve either. A chicken-and-egg situation I'd say. > > poc I had come the conclusion that as per Reid's suggestion offlineimap could be used for at least part of want I'm looking to do. I found this while setting up offlineimap: # You can specify a pre and post sync hook to execute a external command. # in this case a call to imapfilter to filter mail before the sync process # starts and a custom shell script after the sync completes. # The pre sync script has to complete before a sync to the account will # start. # presynchook = imapfilter All this to say I'm quite confident the "race" issue Patrick indicated can effectively be put to rest in light of the above. Just FYI in case anyone cares. PS> offlineimap is the fastest little piece of code I've ever seen handle my mail! Phil ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] send / receive grayed out
On Thu, 2010-11-04 at 22:08 +0200, Johan Scheepers wrote: > On 04/11/2010 19:00, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > > On Thu, 2010-11-04 at 20:05 +0200, Johan Scheepers wrote: > > > >> Good day, > >> Evolution 2.30.3 > >> Debian squeeze freeze fully updated. > >> After installing squeeze i tried to use evolution but the ** send / > >> receive ** stays grayed out. > >> The rest seems fine. > >> > > You are offline. > > > Not offline - Icedove is working fine on another mail address That's not what he means. Evo could be in offline mode. Check the under the File menu or the plug icon at the bottom left under the folder tree. Phil > ___ > evolution-list mailing list > evolution-list@gnome.org > To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] send / receive grayed out
On Thu, 2010-11-04 at 20:05 +0200, Johan Scheepers wrote: > Good day, > > Evolution 2.30.3 > > Debian squeeze freeze fully updated. > > After installing squeeze i tried to use evolution but the ** send / > receive ** stays grayed out. > The rest seems fine. > > I reinstalled it but no difference. > > Kindly some suggestions to correct this please > What's the status of Network -Manager? Phil > Thanks > > Johan > ___ > evolution-list mailing list > evolution-list@gnome.org > To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Message Filter vs. Search Folders - Open Discussion
On Thu, 2010-11-04 at 09:27 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On 11/4/10 8:50 AM, Philippe LeCavalier wrote: > >> Meaning the time taken to run the search selection criterion on the > >> contents of the mailbox. This should be similar to the time taken to run > >> a filter, unless the implementations are completely different. > > Must be different. I do see the new mail in my Inbox almost instantly > > but the time it takes to move them(filter them) into the respected > > folders is significant when compared to the time > > taken to perform the search function. > Maybe it's the move that's taking the time rather than the filter match. > Recall that moving in IMAP is "copy and delete". Depending on the server > load and its IMAP implementation (flat mbox files like UW, maildirs like > Dovecot, database like Gmail, file-per-message like Cyrus) this could be > slow. > > poc That's exactly what I'm thinking. both suggestions of retooling to use either search folders or IMAPfilter will remove that apparently daunting tasking from Evo. Wouldn't Sieve also be an option in that case? Phil ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Message Filter vs. Search Folders - Open Discussion
On Wed, 2010-11-03 at 21:50 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Wed, 2010-11-03 at 19:10 -0400, Philippe LeCavalier wrote: > > > As to efficiency, I can't off-hand think of an obvious reason why > > search > > > folders should be faster than filters unless the criteria are just > > > simpler. In fact I suspect it's more a matter of perception than > > > reality, given that filters act just once and search folders need to > > do > > > some processing every time you visit them. And of course you need > > to > > > compare like with like in terms of matching criteria. > > > > All my mail gets filtered when the headers are downloaded and since > > I've chosen to download mail locally the filters take a surprising > > amount of time to complete. > > One question: in your Junk controls are you using "do not mark as Junk > if sender is in my address book", *without* marking "only check my local > address book"? Nope. Most of my spam filtering is server-side. If need be, I will select "mark as junk" from tim eto time but that's it. > If so, Evo is doing an LDAP lookup for every source > address in every message, which can be slow. So this isn't the case for me. > > > In other words, if I loaded all my mail in my Inbox and simply used > > search folders the speed is only limited by the time it would take to > > select the appropriate search folder. > > Meaning the time taken to run the search selection criterion on the > contents of the mailbox. This should be similar to the time taken to run > a filter, unless the implementations are completely different. Must be different. I do see the new mail in my Inbox almost instantly but the time it takes to move them(filter them) into the respected folders is significant when compared to the time taken to perform the search function. > > > However, and this is significant for me, if I do leave all my mail in > > the Inbox when I load my mail in a webclient I'll be wading through > > thousands of emails because those search folders > > won't exist server-side. > > Unless you do at least some server-side filtering, in which case it's > all done before you even look at it. I use Gmail filtering for volume > mail, so messages just appear in the right folders when I access it. > Google has more compute power than my desktop :-) Yes. Well, this suggestion to use IMAPfilter would certain alleviate the pain of having Evo perform that task. Plus, and I love this one, the filtering is independent of the MUA as you mentioned which is *exactly* what I and perhaps many people are looking for. I'm going to try and find the time in between clients to implement IMAPfilter today and see. I am concerned about the potential "race" issue as you mentioned. I'm not seeing any mention of this on the project site. Does any one have any insight? Phil > > poc > > ___ > evolution-list mailing list > evolution-list@gnome.org > To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Message Filter vs. Search Folders - Open Discussion
On Wed, 2010-11-03 at 19:41 -0400, Reid Thompson wrote: > > looking to see if offlineimap could filter, and found another > alternative > use imapfilter > imapfilter does just what the name implies: it filters email on IMAP > servers. The general idea is you have imapfilter running via a cron > job on some always-on computer. It is then run every 3-5 minutes, > connects to any number of IMAP servers, and filters the email. And the > filtering doesn’t even need to happen only on the INBOX (like gmail) > but can be for any mailbox. > > http://blog.grossmeier.net/2009/01/25/imapfilterofflineimapmsmtpmuttabook/ wow this looks really promising. I'm excited to try this one out. Thank you so much for your time. Phil ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Message Filter vs. Search Folders - Open Discussion
On Wed, 2010-11-03 at 19:16 +, Steve T wrote: > Phil, > I am running evolution 2.28.3 under FC12 and I have always used search > folders since FC6. The only problems that I have (which seem to change > slightly when the database back end was introduced) is that with large > sets of criteria on a single folder, the search folders can be slow > (both in the initial start-up of evolution and then switching between > those folders). > I have a search folder that probably has 90 criteria (individual site > email addresses - ie sender contains @blah. and recipients > contains @blah) and that takes what seems like an age to load (60 > seconds for 475 messages). I also find under this release that the > search folder message counts are not updated - ie if a mail exists in > 4 search folders (ie it fulfills 4 sets of different criterai - maybe > 'last 24 hours', 'family'...etc), and you read it in one of them, the > others still show as unread on the folder (ie the folder is still > 'boldened' and the count of unread is wrong (although the message in > the folder is marked as read ok). That is apparently a known issue in > this release. Very interesting. So you can continue your filtration by creating sub search-folders? Phil ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Message Filter vs. Search Folders - Open Discussion
On Wed, 2010-11-03 at 14:45 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On 11/3/10 2:24 PM, Philippe LeCavalier wrote: > > On Wed, 2010-11-03 at 14:12 -0400, Philippe LeCavalier wrote: > >> > > > > I omitted the previous discussion because of this... > > In the spirit of self-help I decided to play with Search Folders and I > > certainly answered my own question as to whther or not they're faster > > than mail filters - they are *allot* faster. Evo displayed ~2600 msg > > just about instantly. So my question now is, how do you handle the > > mail when using search folders? > > I'm not sure what you're comparing here. You mean downloading 2600 > messages using filters is slower than visiting a search folder that > already has the messages in it? > > It's been stated that one can have to much mail in a single folder. > > That said, it appears I still need msg filters to move mail into > > folders and then use search folders to drill down further. Thus, not > > achieving my goal of abandoning msg filters. Aren't msg filters a > > kind-of retro thing now anyway? What are all you guys doing? > > We old fogies are still using lots of filters (besides Junk, which is > always a filter of course). Of course I use some search folders as well, > but IMHO they would be more useful if one could rearrange the folder > list to locate them where one wants, not just at the end. I'd also love > to be able to quickly set up a search folder for mail to and from a > given correspondent, in order to keep track of conversations (sets of > threads involving the same people). I think by internet standards I'm an 'old fogy' to. > > As to efficiency, I can't off-hand think of an obvious reason why search > folders should be faster than filters unless the criteria are just > simpler. In fact I suspect it's more a matter of perception than > reality, given that filters act just once and search folders need to do > some processing every time you visit them. And of course you need to > compare like with like in terms of matching criteria. All my mail gets filtered when the headers are downloaded and since I've chosen to download mail locally the filters take a surprising amount of time to complete. In other words, if I loaded all my mail in my Inbox and simply used search folders the speed is only limited by the time it would take to select the appropriate search folder. However, and this is significant for me, if I do leave all my mail in the Inbox when I load my mail in a webclient I'll be wading through thousands of emails because those search folders won't exist server-side. I take it this is where Reid's suggestion of offlineimap comes into play but search folders are virtual right? This would only be helpful if I stay with msg filters. But again, I'm confused about this because my msg filters are moving the mail to the appropriate folders both locally and server-side so what difference would offlineimap bring? > > As to keeping folders below a certain size, Evo 2.32 now uses 64-bit > indices, so that limitation is gone. Of course smaller might still be > faster. Maybe someone should actually measure these things and tell us ... I know MS Outlook becomes somewhat unstable beyond 5k per folder. However, I've seen it "operate" as high as 20k in the Inbox for both POP and IMAP. I might actually have enough mail to make the comparison... Phil > > poc > ___ > evolution-list mailing list > evolution-list@gnome.org > To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Message Filter vs. Search Folders - Open Discussion
On Wed, 2010-11-03 at 14:12 -0400, Philippe LeCavalier wrote: > I omitted the previous discussion because of this... In the spirit of self-help I decided to play with Search Folders and I certainly answered my own question as to whther or not they're faster than mail filters - they are *allot* faster. Evo displayed ~2600 msg just about instantly. So my question now is, how do you handle the mail when using search folders? It's been stated that one can have to much mail in a single folder. That said, it appears I still need msg filters to move mail into folders and then use search folders to drill down further. Thus, not achieving my goal of abandoning msg filters. Aren't msg filters a kind-of retro thing now anyway? What are all you guys doing? Phil ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Message Filter vs. Search Folders - Open Discussion
On Wed, 2010-11-03 at 13:19 -0400, Reid Thompson wrote: > On Wed, Nov 03, 2010 at 12:35:29PM -0400, Philippe LeCavalier wrote: > > On Wed, 2010-11-03 at 07:03 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > > > On Wed, 2010-11-03 at 11:25 +0800, Ng Oon-Ee wrote: > > > On Tue, 2010-11-02 at 21:16 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > > > On Tue, 2010-11-02 at 10:52 -0400, Reid Thompson wrote: > > > > > I tend to store no mail on hosted accounts and use fetchmail + > > > > > procmail to download and delete from server hosts. > > > > > > > > Each to his own. I store almost no mail locally, that way I can get > > to > > > > it from wherever I am (from my phone, from a friend's house, from a > > > > public terminal while traveling, from both office and home.) Keeping > > > > your mail in your computer is so 20th Century :-) > > > > > > > > (I already know the counterarguments, I'm just making the point that > > > > people use mail in different ways). > > > > > > > > poc > > > > > > Or you could also take the geek's way out of keeping your mail on your > > > IMAP server but also having a full local copy using (for example) > > > offlineimap =). > > > > Of course, but Reid said he downloads his mail *and deletes it from the > > server*, which is why I responded. > > > > He misread. I use IMAP and grab a local copy in case my host goes down or > > I'm > > not connected so I can still reference my mails. The mail loads quite in the > > Inbox but it's after that where things slow down when Evo hits 'filtering > > new > > mail'. It's not that bad. I'm just wondering if there would be a more > > efficient > > way. > > > > Phil > > I didn't misread. My first comment was > > "i think offlineimap is used by a lot of folks for this" > > because, based on what i'd read on the mailing lists, it seemed to fit > what the op wanted to do. Download his imap mail and put it into various > folders while leaving the email on the server just like an imap client > would do and then as changes are made locally, propagate those changes > back to the imap server(i'll leave it to those interested to determine > whether that synopsis of offlineimap is correct or not) I'm confused. I am using IMAP and I \m also using an IMAP client. Aren't the local changes to the mail propagated back to the server jsut by using standard IMAP? > > My second comment referenced my personal preference, offering a > alternate solution providing keeping email on the server was not > requirement. I definitely want to keep the mail on the server. Phil > > reid ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Message Filter vs. Search Folders - Open Discussion
On Wed, 2010-11-03 at 07:03 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Wed, 2010-11-03 at 11:25 +0800, Ng Oon-Ee wrote: > > On Tue, 2010-11-02 at 21:16 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > > On Tue, 2010-11-02 at 10:52 -0400, Reid Thompson wrote: > > > > I tend to store no mail on hosted accounts and use fetchmail + > > > > procmail to download and delete from server hosts. > > > > > > Each to his own. I store almost no mail locally, that way I can get to > > > it from wherever I am (from my phone, from a friend's house, from a > > > public terminal while traveling, from both office and home.) Keeping > > > your mail in your computer is so 20th Century :-) > > > > > > (I already know the counterarguments, I'm just making the point that > > > people use mail in different ways). > > > > > > poc > > > > Or you could also take the geek's way out of keeping your mail on your > > IMAP server but also having a full local copy using (for example) > > offlineimap =). > > Of course, but Reid said he downloads his mail *and deletes it from the > server*, which is why I responded. He misread. I use IMAP and grab a local copy in case my host goes down or I'm not connected so I can still reference my mails. The mail loads quite in the Inbox but it's after that where things slow down when Evo hits 'filtering new mail'. It's not that bad. I'm just wondering if there would be a more efficient way. Phil ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
[Evolution] Message Filter vs. Search Folders - Open Discussion
Hi all, Which is better? I've always used filters to sort my mail into folders. I detest a convoluted Inbox. However, and mostly recently, I'm finding it painful to wait the amount of time it takes to filter all my mail when I open Evo. I get quite a large amount of mail so I don't know whether or not Evo is at fault with regards to the amount of time it takes. Nonetheless, I've been wondering lately if it would be more beneficial to migrate to search folders instead... - Would it be any faster? - My understanding of how Search Folders work, Evo leaves all the mail in the Inbox...How well will Evo handle all that mail in a single folder(IMAP hosted in the cloud).I don't know how many msgs I keep(unless otherwise necessary, I usually keep about years worth) but I've got approx. 40 folders. If I were to guess, I'd say the average mail per folder would be ~300 or so. -I'd particularly like to hear from someone in a similar position (many folders with allot of mail) that has crossed over. -Also, I've always wondered if there wold be a possible way to implement filtration(whichever method) server-side...Something along the line of SIEVE - My understanding of which is > /dev/null. This may be subject for another discussion. I'm just thinking if I'm going to rebuild the ~100 or so filters it might be due time to implement something more scalable long-term wise. I'm also getting a bit frustrated with the shear amount of msg filters I have. Mostly the managing of. I've filed a bug report(633813) here regarding the lack of a search tool to facilitate the management for those like me who have many filters. --just in case I don't move away from them in the end. Any insight/opinions are welcome. Cheers, Phil ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] evolution systray
On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 16:51 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On 10/20/10 11:06 AM, George Reeke wrote: > > Dear colleagues, > > On Tue, 2010-10-19 at 10:32 -0400, Christian wrote: > >> On Thu, 2008-08-21 at 21:53 +0100, Calum Benson wrote: > >>> On 14 Aug 2008, at 17:10, tim wrote: > >>> > i want to say my hat's off to you guys and all you do. i have an idea > for the next update of evolution... > > could you make it so when i close it the program still runs in the > systray? i like deluge because it minimizes to the systray and pidgin > for the same reason. even rhythmbox too. everything runs great on > the > program; that's just a feature i am looking forward to. > >>> Note that minimising to system tray (at least by using the standard > >>> minimise or close buttons) is a behaviour rather frowned upon by > >>> GNOME's usability folks, however :) > >>> > >>> Minimise buttons should minimise, and close buttons should close. If > >>> you want to add a button that does something else, then fine, do that > >>> and call it something else. But please don't make the minimise or > >>> close buttons do things they're not supposed to... > >>> > >>> Cheeri, > >>> Calum. > >>> > >> An option to set what the close button does (close/minimize) is all it > >> takes. Several programs have that option both on Linux and Windows. If > >> you want to follow the advice of the usability crowd don't enable this > >> option. > >> > >> I'm using alltray and have edited the menu to open Evo in the tray (or > >> is it called notification area these days?) using alltray. > >> > >> Personally I do not not care who frowns of what as long as it works for > >> me! :) > >> > > Why not use Workspace Switcher and leave evolution in a separate > > workspace window? You can get to it and back with a simple click > > and it's always open but out of the way when not needed. > > That's how I set it up under KDE. It has its own virtual desktop. > > However, the point that Close closes, Minimize minimizes etc., while > logical is nonetheless questionable IMHO. It's too easy to close some > long-lived apps unintentionally, and closing Evo can be very slow if it > decides to flush a lot of remote cache data. It's also uninterruptible, > so you get to sit twiddling your thumbs till you can restart it. > > poc I certainly see your point but please tell me we're not headed towards incorporating Evo to "Are you sure you want to close me?" Phil ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] keep getting message error
On Tue, 2010-10-12 at 07:41 -0400, tony mann wrote: > cannot send any messages You're not going to get far with that amount of detail. Phil > ___ > evolution-list mailing list > evolution-list@gnome.org > To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Messages Smart Index
On Wed, 2010-10-06 at 05:57 -0700, Richard Weinbrenner wrote: > I used kmail under ubuntu for a while. There is only one feature that > I really miss. > > kmail had the messages list grouped chronologically such as: today, > yesterday, last week, last month, july, aug etc, and I'm leaving out > some details there. And, each of these smart groupings is collapsible > or expandable. It helped reduce the clutter of my archived emails. > > Is there any feature like that on evolution that I haven't discovered yet ? I feel like I'm asking Evo to look like Outlook, but the idea of having the "2 days ago" group-able and collapsible does appeal to me. Phil ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Question about Google Chrome
On Sun, 2010-09-19 at 17:52 +0200, philippe_pfeif...@bluewin.ch wrote: > Hello > > I'm using Evolution since many years on my OpenSuse Installation and > I'm very happy with it. > Now I have a question about it's default browser when opening a link > in an email. > Usually Firefox opens, I just wonder, is there a possibility to open > Google Chrome instead? > If you're on a Debian based system look into update-alternatives Phil > Many thanks > Philippe > > ___ > evolution-list mailing list > evolution-list@gnome.org > To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] oledata.mso
On Thu, 2010-09-16 at 08:23 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Sep 16, 2010, at 8:05 AM, William Kenworthy wrote: > > > Ive just received an email that was sent using the "send to" of MS > > word. > > The word document is apparently embedded in the document (and evo > > displays it inline reasonably well) but the attachment bar only > > shows a > > png image (which was embedded in the original word document) and > > oledata.mso which is apparently a "how to display the document" info > > file. The email message has numerous "parts" which probably > > include the > > original document. > > > > Is it possible to either access the original word document, or recover > > it from either within evo or another application working on the raw > > email data file without resorting to outlook? > > It probably needs an OLE implementation to be read, but I'm no expert > in MS garbage. > > If it were me, I'd tell the sender to resend using standard Internet > mail. The trouble > with futzing around looking for a solution at your end is that your > correspondent won't > notice there's a problem, which only encourages them. The whole point > of using > standards is to avoid having to deal with this nonsense. > > poc Exactly. Furthermore, it supports the awful habit of editing an attachement inline which leads to a ton of other issues. Although that feature of Word may have appeared practical on paper it's far from being easily implemented and is a complete nightmare to manage from an administrators point of vue. If you've ever heard of the infamous Outlook OLK hidden folders you'd know what I'm referring to. Phil ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Google calendar issue...
Hi Eric, On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 09:44 -0500, Eric Lorenz wrote: > Good morning: > > I am not sure if this is an Evolution issue or not...but I thought I'd > start here- > > I am a new Evolution user (v. 2.28.3, came from Thunderbird) on Ubuntu > 10.04. It has been working great, and I love the integration with > GNOME/Ubuntu. I have my calendars pulling from Google (mine, my wife's > and my daughter's) and all has been well...until yesterday. All of the > sudden, even though I have my calendar checked in the list, my data > does not show up. I have double checked the calendar settings, and all > seems correct, and the calendar data is there when I log into my > Google page, but it won't show in Evo. My wife's and Daughter's is > fine. IMPA Mail from Google and all else is good. > > Where else can I look? Thanks for the help! > > Eric > > I've experienced similar issues with Evo and Google Calendar. Never really got to the bottom of any of them and have since moved on. Google warns that using mail clients that are not on the list will likely not work. I didn't believe it either but just like you everything was fine for a month or two and then not. I've since stopped using Google with Evo. I've opted to send meeting requests back and forth between clients/family which has been working really well so far-about two months now. Phil ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
[Evolution] Right Click to Mark as Read
Hi All, Evo keeps asking me whether or not I want "current or subfolders" containing unread messages marked as read also when in fact, there is no subfolder. This might be related to the change I requested a while back about not moving the selection of folders in the folder list when right clicking on a separate folder to mark containing msgs as read. The feature works but somehow I suspect the code is having difficulties checking whether or not there are subfolders. Not sure I'm making much sense here. Maybe some Q&A would help me explain this in a better way... Here's the feature request which Mathew Barnes picked up. Again, I have no idea, this maybe not be related at all. Just seems like it might. http://mail.gnome.org/archives/evolution-list/2009-October/msg00418.html Phil ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] POP account problem
On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 12:00 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > I'd signup for a gmail account and either forward or retrieve the > > yahoo mail from there in that case. > > I don't see how that is going to change anything. Gmail can't fetch > non-Inbox mail from a POP server either. If he wants to keep his Yahoo > address he needs to stop classifying his mail in Yahoo (except for spam > I guess) and let Gmail or Evo do it. > > poc > I meant it as a way of weening himself off Yahoo. Migrate all the folders to Gmail. Enable IMAP4 in the Gmail interface. And from there on, keep the Yahoo account and forward all the yahoo mail or fetch it - either way - to Gmail. Phil ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] POP account problem
On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 08:56 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 09:04 -0400, Philippe LeCavalier wrote: > > Check if your host/account supports IMAP. That's what you want. > > He said it's Yahoo, so no. > > poc > I'd signup for a gmail account and either forward or retrieve the yahoo mail from there in that case. Phil ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] POP account problem
On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 12:41 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote: > > > After connecting to POP account i have seen below problem : > > > > > > 1.I am not able to view all the folder available in my account. > > > > Pop accounts do not have folders on the server. You must create them on > > your local machine. Then, you have the next problem. > > > > My Yahoo account have some folder (eg. INBOX, Sent Mail And folder > > created by me manually in my account) and if i want to access my yahoo > > account by using evo then i should get complete folder tree,othervise i > > have to search again my personal folder mail from Inbox. > > Which is so frustrating for me. > > POP as a protocol has no method of accessing folders: it gets mail from > an INBOX and puts it on your local computer - that's all it can do. The > fact that you have folders on your remote account does not mean that POP > can see them. > > P. Check if your host/account supports IMAP. That's what you want. Phil ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evo Seg Fault on Meeting Request
On Tue, 2010-07-06 at 09:35 -0400, Philippe LeCavalier wrote: > On Tue, 2010-07-06 at 11:15 +0530, Akhil Laddha wrote: > > > On Fri, 2010-07-02 at 15:26 -0400, Philippe LeCavalier wrote: > > > On Fri, 2010-07-02 at 15:15 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > > > > Does Google support use CALDAV or something else? I have no idea. If > > > > it uses CALDAV setting the CALDAV_DEBUG variable might expose something. > > > I'm 90% certain it's CALDAV however... > > > > > > > > Run "CALDAV_DEBUG=1 evolution" > > > Shows: > > > plecaval...@plc:~$ CALDAV_DEBUG=1 evolution > > > > > > (evolution:4250): evolution-network-manager-WARNING **: The name > > > org.freedesktop.NetworkManager was not provided by any .service files > > > Segmentation fault > > > plecaval...@plc:~$ > > > > > > ...no more info than previously ran with just $evolution > > > > > > > running evolution under gdb should get you traces and make sure you have > > debuginfo packages of evolution-data-server and evolution installed. > > > > see http://live.gnome.org/GettingTraces/Details#gdb-not-yet-running for > > details > > > > - Akhil > > Thanks Akhil. > > > > It's funny, I would have guessed more people would be experiencing this. I > had to delete the meeting request in my Inbox because Evo kept selecting it > when it was the only msg left in there - the sudden crashing was getting on > my nerves. I'll have to wait 'til I get another to run gdb. > > Cheers, > Phil > > ___ Got another one...I've since posted a bug @ https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=623683 The debug info has been added to the bug rather than this thread. Cheers, Phil ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evo Seg Fault on Meeting Request
On Tue, 2010-07-06 at 11:15 +0530, Akhil Laddha wrote: > On Fri, 2010-07-02 at 15:26 -0400, Philippe LeCavalier wrote: > > On Fri, 2010-07-02 at 15:15 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > > > Does Google support use CALDAV or something else? I have no idea. If > > > it uses CALDAV setting the CALDAV_DEBUG variable might expose something. > > I'm 90% certain it's CALDAV however... > > > > > > Run "CALDAV_DEBUG=1 evolution" > > Shows: > > plecaval...@plc:~$ CALDAV_DEBUG=1 evolution > > > > (evolution:4250): evolution-network-manager-WARNING **: The name > > org.freedesktop.NetworkManager was not provided by any .service files > > Segmentation fault > > plecaval...@plc:~$ > > > > ...no more info than previously ran with just $evolution > > > > running evolution under gdb should get you traces and make sure you have > debuginfo packages of evolution-data-server and evolution installed. > > see http://live.gnome.org/GettingTraces/Details#gdb-not-yet-running for > details > > - Akhil Thanks Akhil. It's funny, I would have guessed more people would be experiencing this. I had to delete the meeting request in my Inbox because Evo kept selecting it when it was the only msg left in there - the sudden crashing was getting on my nerves. I'll have to wait 'til I get another to run gdb. Cheers, Phil ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Compositing Pet Peeve
On Sat, 2010-07-03 at 19:24 +0800, Ng Oon-Ee wrote: > On Fri, 2010-07-02 at 18:33 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > On Fri, 2010-07-02 at 14:25 -0400, Philippe LeCavalier wrote: > > > > > P.S. Of course, I wouldn't see this if I weren't top-posting but > > > ppl > > > > > never see my replies when I interweave my responses. > > > > > > > > Er, yes we do. > > > > > > Yes. You certainly do just like everyone else here but none of my > > > clients do ;) > > > > Your clients presumably aren't using mailing lists. The objection to > > top-posting is strictly in the context of Internet mailing lists, which > > tend to have many members, last for many years, and have all their > > traffic archived. In other contexts, do whatever seems best. I often use > > top-posting in private communications. > > Perhaps Philippe should file a bug against his clients =p. :) Yes. I've tried brut force many times regarding top vs bottom posting. At one point I was even editing the message after each response to look at least bottom posted if not interleaved. I lasted about a month and gave up because everyone was so confused. If it were up to me, I would choose to at least bottom post and ideally interleave. > > But yes, Mailing Lists seem to be the ONLY place bottom-posting 'works' > anymore. In private (long) conversations you have to explicitly state > "reply interleaved" at the top to get anyone to read it. > We need a email netiquette revolution :P Cheers, Phil <><>___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evo Seg Fault on Meeting Request
On Fri, 2010-07-02 at 15:15 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > Does Google support use CALDAV or something else? I have no idea. If > it uses CALDAV setting the CALDAV_DEBUG variable might expose something. I'm 90% certain it's CALDAV however... > > Run "CALDAV_DEBUG=1 evolution" Shows: plecaval...@plc:~$ CALDAV_DEBUG=1 evolution (evolution:4250): evolution-network-manager-WARNING **: The name org.freedesktop.NetworkManager was not provided by any .service files Segmentation fault plecaval...@plc:~$ ...no more info than previously ran with just $evolution I'm not even certain Evo gets to the point where it talks to Google. The crash is just about instant. I click, it closes. Phil ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Compositing Pet Peeve
On Tue, 2010-06-29 at 14:52 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Tue, 2010-06-29 at 14:35 -0400, Philippe LeCavalier wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > > > Not sure if it's something I'm doing but...If I start composing a > > reply msg to someone and decide to change the account I want to sent > > it from the first letter of the first line of the original msg gets > > brought back up one line making my signoff look like: > > > > PhilO > > n such a date at such a time" line > > > > Hopefully this is reproducible and fixable... > > Please report it to Bugzilla. > > > Cheers, > > PhilO > > > > P.S. Of course, I wouldn't see this if I weren't top-posting but ppl > > never see my replies when I interweave my responses. > > Er, yes we do. Yes. You certainly do just like everyone else here but none of my clients do ;) > > poc Thanks Patrick Bug 623420 has been filed. Cheers, Phil <>___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
[Evolution] Evo Seg Fault on Meeting Request
Hi, I use Google Calendars to coordinate with various ppl including clients and as of late, when I click on the invite Evo seg faults. I ran Evo from console and all I get is "segmentation fault". What else can I do to provide more info? Phil ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
[Evolution] Compositing Pet Peeve
Hi Everyone, Not sure if it's something I'm doing but...If I start composing a reply msg to someone and decide to change the account I want to sent it from the first letter of the first line of the original msg gets brought back up one line making my signoff look like: PhilO n such a date at such a time" line Hopefully this is reproducible and fixable... Cheers, PhilO P.S. Of course, I wouldn't see this if I weren't top-posting but ppl never see my replies when I interweave my responses. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evo or mail server? [CHANGED to Evo is acting up big time]
On Fri, 2010-06-25 at 11:05 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > On Fri, 2010-06-25 at 09:14 -0400, Philippe LeCavalier wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > I'm resending this because I just experienced the exact same thing. > > This is within days of the last occurrence. I have never seen Evo so > > unstable. I had been away for a day and when I awoke my laptop Evo > > had lots of new mail listed in the folder list but most of my folders > > were gone. The only error Evo gave me was like: > > "Unable to rollback ... no transaction active" > > Last night Evo was acting up so bad and i had so little time to work I > > actually resulted to Horde to get my responses out...I haven't had to > > do that in years. > > What's going on? > > One thing to check - are you out of disk space? WOW...Horribly embarrassing. Yes I appear to be maxed-out in /home. hrm...Nevermind :) <>___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evo or mail server? [CHANGED to Evo is acting up big time]
On Fri, 2010-06-25 at 09:14 -0400, Philippe LeCavalier wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I'm resending this because I just experienced the exact same thing. > This is within days of the last occurrence. I have never seen Evo so > unstable. I had been away for a day and when I awoke my laptop Evo > had lots of new mail listed in the folder list but most of my folders > were gone. The only error Evo gave me was like: > > "Unable to rollback ... no transaction active" > > Last night Evo was acting up so bad and i had so little time to work I > actually resulted to Horde to get my responses out...I haven't had to > do that in years. > > What's going on? > > --Previous msg to list that when > unanswered > Hi All, > > For the umpteenth time I lost my mail filters and the subscription > status to most of my mail folders. This time thanks to Thomas > Mittelstaedt who responded to my post on "Msg Filters Loosing > Destination Folder" I was able to recover my filters. However, ever > since this happened the night before last, I've been experiencing > strange behaviour. > > Often when I get back to my system after a few hours(no hibernation or > suspend) Evo had seemingly downloaded new mail but was unable to > refresh the message list resulting in a new count in the folder list > but no mail being displayed. > > I won't harp on the msg filters because I've already posted about > this. > > But the whole issue of not seeing folders in the folder list is truly > annoying. I've been fixing this by going to the folder subscription > tool and unchecking each folder I could no longer see and checking it > again. Then Evo downloads all the headers which takes quite a bit of > time. Now I might be loosing these folders because of server-side > issues. Either way I don't now. > > I'm on Evo 2.30.1.2 and use 1 IMAP account and have chosen to download > entire messages as a backup method since my mail is hosted. > > Is anyone else experiencing this? > > Cheers, > Phil To top it all off, Evo just gave me a "Welcome to Evolution" email...wikes, I've been using it for years! ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
[Evolution] Evo or mail server? [CHANGED to Evo is acting up big time]
Hi Everyone, I'm resending this because I just experienced the exact same thing. This is within days of the last occurrence. I have never seen Evo so unstable. I had been away for a day and when I awoke my laptop Evo had lots of new mail listed in the folder list but most of my folders were gone. The only error Evo gave me was like: "Unable to rollback ... no transaction active" Last night Evo was acting up so bad and i had so little time to work I actually resulted to Horde to get my responses out...I haven't had to do that in years. What's going on? --Previous msg to list that when unanswered Hi All, For the umpteenth time I lost my mail filters and the subscription status to most of my mail folders. This time thanks to Thomas Mittelstaedt who responded to my post on "Msg Filters Loosing Destination Folder" I was able to recover my filters. However, ever since this happened the night before last, I've been experiencing strange behaviour. Often when I get back to my system after a few hours(no hibernation or suspend) Evo had seemingly downloaded new mail but was unable to refresh the message list resulting in a new count in the folder list but no mail being displayed. I won't harp on the msg filters because I've already posted about this. But the whole issue of not seeing folders in the folder list is truly annoying. I've been fixing this by going to the folder subscription tool and unchecking each folder I could no longer see and checking it again. Then Evo downloads all the headers which takes quite a bit of time. Now I might be loosing these folders because of server-side issues. Either way I don't now. I'm on Evo 2.30.1.2 and use 1 IMAP account and have chosen to download entire messages as a backup method since my mail is hosted. Is anyone else experiencing this? Cheers, Phil ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
[Evolution] Evo or mail server?
Hi All, For the umpteenth time I lost my mail filters and the subscription status to most of my mail folders. This time thanks to Thomas Mittelstaedt who responded to my post on "Msg Filters Loosing Destination Folder" I was able to recover my filters. However, ever since this happened the night before last, I've been experiencing strange behaviour. Often when I get back to my system after a few hours(no hibernation or suspend) Evo had seemingly downloaded new mail but was unable to refresh the message list resulting in a new count in the folder list but no mail being displayed. I won't harp on the msg filters because I've already posted about this. But the whole issue of not seeing folders in the folder list is truly annoying. I've been fixing this by going to the folder subscription tool and unchecking each folder I could no longer see and checking it again. Then Evo downloads all the headers which takes quite a bit of time. Now I might be loosing these folders because of server-side issues. Either way I don't now. I'm on Evo 2.30.1.2 and use 1 IMAP account and have chosen to download entire messages as a backup method since my mail is hosted. Is anyone else experiencing this? Cheers, Phil ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] SMTP Problems
On Fri, 2010-06-18 at 11:06 +0200, Alvaro Alonso Jiménez wrote: > > Hey everybody, > > I have been using evolution for some days, and I didnt have any > problem. But suddenly, I cannot send emails any more because I am > having problems connecting to SMTP server (error "Connection > timeout"). I didnt change anything about my configuration in > Evolution, so I really dont know what could have happened... Have you employed SMTP authentication? Phil ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Msg Selection
On Wed, 2010-06-16 at 16:39 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > Wish I knew. I'm not a devel and have no insight into how their minds > work :-) In fact I thought I had filed a BZ report a long time ago but I > can't seem to find it. Feel free to file it yourself and post the BZ > number here for others to add comments. > > poc > > ___ Hopefully this will get /some/ attention... The BZ # is 621839 Cheers, Phil ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Msg Selection
On Wed, 2010-06-16 at 09:20 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Wed, 2010-06-16 at 07:30 +0100, Gavin Simpson wrote: > > On Tue, 2010-06-15 at 22:44 -0400, Matthew Barnes wrote: > > > On Tue, 2010-06-15 at 21:31 -0400, Philippe LeCavalier wrote: > > > > If you click a folder Evo forces the auto-selection of the newest > > > > unread message and worked back from there. > > > > > > It's not that sophisticated. It remembers the highlighted message ID > > > and automatically selects that when you return to the folder. If that > > > message doesn't exist or isn't visible, it either selects the first in > > > the list or none at all, depending on the context. > > > > Is that configurable in any way? I like my newest mail to be at the end > > (bottom) of a list. The "jump to first in list" is mildly annoying in > > such circumstances, especially in folders with a lot of mail. Now I > > know /why/ this is happening I can try to work around it; hadn't > > realised that that was what was causing it. > > I'm in the same boat. I've complained about it in the past (so long ago > I can't even remember) but to no effect, I suspect because the devels > probably use the default "newest at the top" layout. In my view the > algorithm should be: > > Show the last selected message if it still exists > else show the oldest unread message in the folder, if any > else show the newest message in the folder > > This is independant of the sorting order. > > poc > Patrick, That is /exactly/ what I not only want but would expect as a logical sorting. To do the opposite -which is the default in Evo, goes against logic. We always advocate/preach on this list about logical order, namely top vs. bottom posting and the like, yet we're faced with this, rather contradicting "flow". Assuming there is already been a request for this is there anything that can be done to push that through? Phil ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Msg Selection
On Wed, 2010-06-16 at 06:24 -0400, Philippe LeCavalier wrote: > On Tue, 2010-06-15 at 22:44 -0400, Matthew Barnes wrote: > > > On Tue, 2010-06-15 at 21:31 -0400, Philippe LeCavalier wrote: > > > If you click a folder Evo forces the auto-selection of the newest > > > unread message and worked back from there. > > > > It's not that sophisticated. It remembers the highlighted message ID > > and automatically selects that when you return to the folder. If that > > message doesn't exist or isn't visible, it either selects the first in > > the list or none at all, depending on the context. > > > > So in order to achieve the desired effect I'll have to sort by date, > descending so that I have the newest on top. The annoying thing about > that solution is that I think Evo seems to default to the exact > opposite and isn't each folder setting independent? > > PHil > > ___ Ooops. Apparently I'm loosing my mind and had already asked that question. http://www.mail-archive.com/evolution-list@gnome.org/msg12356.html Sorry for the double post. I guess I'm finding this more annoying than originally thought. Phil ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Msg Selection
On Tue, 2010-06-15 at 22:44 -0400, Matthew Barnes wrote: > On Tue, 2010-06-15 at 21:31 -0400, Philippe LeCavalier wrote: > > If you click a folder Evo forces the auto-selection of the newest > > unread message and worked back from there. > > It's not that sophisticated. It remembers the highlighted message ID > and automatically selects that when you return to the folder. If that > message doesn't exist or isn't visible, it either selects the first in > the list or none at all, depending on the context. > So in order to achieve the desired effect I'll have to sort by date, descending so that I have the newest on top. The annoying thing about that solution is that I think Evo seems to default to the exact opposite and isn't each folder setting independent? PHil ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
[Evolution] Msg Selection
Hi Everyone, I'm a bit confused about how Evo is suppose to act when I click on a given folder. I thought... If you click a folder Evo forces the auto-selection of the newest unread message and worked back from there. Instead... Evo brings me all the way back up to the oldest msg in that given folder. To my knowledge there is no setting related to this function. Help?! I just got Evo 2.30.1.2 but I was on 2.28.3 and the same thing was occurring. Cheers, Phil ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] WICD & NM
On Tue, 2010-06-01 at 09:51 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > I've already added my 2 cents but for anybody trying to limit libs in > > the hopes of running a "clean" system. NM adds lost of unwanted > > packages. On the other hand, if you're already running Gnome then you > > really should use that and no other. I'm a big believer that one > > should not buck mainstream with the more mainstream oriented distros. > > I use XFCE4 so I'm already somewhat off the beaten path. > > I run KDE in fact, but of course as an Evo user I already have some > Gnome libraries installed, as do you. Which of these are also used by NM > is something I'd need to look at. > > poc > > ___ Here's the additional pkgs I would need. Many are duplicating the functions I already have such as bluetooth & dnsmasq not really sure about some of the others but I would almost assume it's the same idea. The following NEW packages will be installed: dnsmasq-base gnome-bluetooth libgnome-bluetooth7 libnm-glib-vpn1 libnm-glib2 libnm-util1 libopenobex1 mobile-broadband-provider-info modemmanager network-manager network-manager-gnome obex-data-server obexd-client usb-modeswitch usb-modeswitch-data One might comment on that being a short list versus allot gained in the functionality of NM vs. WICD. Two things come to mind - and again this is mostly specific to what I want and may not apply to others- 1) If I use that attitude for every pkg then it will, in fact, add up to allot of libs and 2) WICDs mandate is to be distro independent and lightweight so it fits in very well with the way I configure my system. Now, I don't employ all of the features that NM does nor do I for WICD for that matter so this may come down to a typical "if you need it it's worth the extra "load" type-of-thing. I ran KDE for a while and found that the number of required libraries was even larger for NM then with XFCE and obviously even less again for GNOME. So with my attitude KDE is about the worst to run NM on :)...But once again, this is a matter of personal choice and more specifically a matter of what you want your computer to be for you. Cheers, Phil <>___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] WICD & NM
On Tue, 2010-06-01 at 08:32 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > Up to a point. Two issues with NM are 1) for a long time it had almost > no user-oriented documentation (a man page that boils down to "it just > works" doesn't count), and 2) the point about easily determining > connectivity is only true if NM is the only network config tool. In many > distros that's still not the case, leading to much confusion. > > That said, I'm a happy camper and agree that NM is the way forward. > > poc I've already added my 2 cents but for anybody trying to limit libs in the hopes of running a "clean" system. NM adds lost of unwanted packages. On the other hand, if you're already running Gnome then you really should use that and no other. I'm a big believer that one should not buck mainstream with the more mainstream oriented distros. I use XFCE4 so I'm already somewhat off the beaten path. Cheers, Phil ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Send/Received grey out
On Mon, 2010-05-31 at 10:59 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Mon, 2010-05-31 at 11:40 -0300, Sylvia Sánchez wrote: > > > Well, now is working again, I'm sending this from Evo. It seems to > > have > > > gaps. I think I will uninstall NM, it's a headache. > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > Sylvia > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > And now is disabled again. Is annoying. > > I think you should report this on a Debian Testing list. It's more > likely to be something in the environment than a problem with Evo > specifically. > > poc > Very likely. Sylvia, have you tried WICD or diabled NM to help isolate the issue? ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Send/Received grey out
On Mon, 2010-05-31 at 09:08 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote: > > That is bad news for me. As NM is very imperfect I simply do not use > it > > at all. It doesn't allow me to configure many things I used to set > up > > in /etc/interfaces like HWADDRESS. You could switch to WICD. I ditched NM a while ago -not because it was causing problems but rather I didn't like all the libs that came with it- and haven't looked back since. Phil ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Msg Filters Loosing Destination Folder
On Fri, 2010-05-28 at 22:45 +0200, Thomas Mittelstaedt wrote: > Am Freitag, den 28.05.2010, 11:01 -0400 schrieb Philippe LeCavalier: > > Hi All, > > > > 1) > > I don't know if my expectations are realistic or even remotely > > possible but could I not ask (post a bug) to have Evo remember paths > > before clearing them in the likelihood that the user might need said > > path? > > > > 2) > > To be perfectly clear, I can live with the "knowingly" but the > > "unknowingly" is different. Today this happened for no apparent > > reason. Can someone out there help me determine the cause please and > > pretty please? Hint: it problably starts with the reason why I was > > unsubscribed to everything but the root, my Inbox. > > Phil, > > I had the same problem when expunge of a folder would cause an error. I > copied the folder somewhere, renamed the original and then moved the > copy back to the original. > evolution would update the corresponding filter rule, to now contain the > name .old, which I did not want. > It might be of help to know that the rules are in an xml-file in > ~/.evolution/mail/filters.xml, which I can edit and the running > evolution would pick up the changes right away. > Maybe you can just make a copy of filters.xml before you run your > procedure and then restore the copy on top of the falsely updated file. > Hope that helps. > First-off, please don't top-post. It's annoying. Second, Yes. That really helps. It's not a solution but it certainly is a workaround that I can easily apply. Better yet it will allow me to regularly backup my filters -separate from my entire dump. Third, thank you. Phil ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
[Evolution] Msg Filters Loosing Destination Folder
Hi All, I use message filters (not search folders) to sort incoming mail on an IMAP server in the wild. Several times over the past few years I've made changes (knowingly and unknowingly) to Evo or my system in general, which resulted in Evo loosing the path of the destination folder for ALL my rules. Every time this happens it all starts with me noticing Evo is running something along the lines of "Updating Message filters" and is usually followed by the feeling of despair and a loud sigh on my part. That because it never works. The general rule stays in tact(that's nice) but the path to the destination folder is lost -blanked. In this particular case, I understand that Evo had to erase the path altogether because I had to re-subscribe to all my folder (possibly another issue for another posting...) so if Evo can't see the folder it understandably should remove the seemingly invalid path. The inherent problem with that process is that once I re-subscribe to all my folders and it runs "Updating message filters" again it has no record of said previously set path. 1) I don't know if my expectations are realistic or even remotely possible but could I not ask (post a bug) to have Evo remember paths before clearing them in the likelihood that the user might need said path? 2) To be perfectly clear, I can live with the "knowingly" but the "unknowingly" is different. Today this happened for no apparent reason. Can someone out there help me determine the cause please and pretty please? Hint: it problably starts with the reason why I was unsubscribed to everything but the root, my Inbox. Hoestly, I'm not certain what is need info-wise to troubleshoot this so here's some info and please ask away for more as required. -IMAP hosted on WAN, Courier I believe but I could confirmand get exact versioning if it matters -Debian SID/testing -Linux 2.6.32-trunk-686 -XFCE4 4.6.1.3 -Evo-data-server 2.28.3.1-1, Evo-common 2.28.3-1 & Evo 2.28.3-1+b1 -Sqlite3.6.23.1-2 & libsqlite3.6.23.1-2 Cheers, Phil ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] unsubscribe - a wider problem?(a little off-topic)
On Tue, 2010-05-25 at 10:18 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > On Tue, 2010-05-25 at 07:09 -0700, Brewster Gillett wrote: > > On Tue, 2010-05-25 at 10:12 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote: > > > On Tue, 2010-05-25 at 00:41 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > > > On Sat, 2010-05-15 at 11:21 -0400, Rick Stanley wrote: > > > > > To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... > > > > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list > > > > Read the above. > > bg: > > I feel sorry for this guy's clients if this is indicative of his level > > of awareness. Of course the fact that someone claiming to be a Linux > > specialist is using a gmail address, rather than his own domain, is also > > a trifle off-putting :-) > > I am beginning to think, based on observing the clueless list-directed > > unsub requests, and also on several other unrelated observations over > > time, that what we may have here is a pandemic failure to read to the > > end of documents of all kinds. I'm interested in hearing whether others > > have noticed this. > > YES! And certainly not just here. Coworkers and I were just discussing > that this morning - about e-mails that say at the end of every message: > "This is an automated messages, DO NOT REPLY". Guess what happens? > > > A good example is the discussion of op-eds. Many people seem to be > > unaware that the essay form generally results in a summation of the > > points, and sometimes even the first integration of the elements of the > > points, in the final paragraph. So they read the first half of the > > editorial, and conclude from this that they know what the writer was > > trying to communicate, and proceed to discuss it as if they knew all > > about it, and fall flat on their faces because they never bothered > > to finish it. > > Your thoughts? > _ All this reinforces the severe need for top-posting to die a sudden death. In fact , this discussion should serve as a proverbial "nail-in-the-coffin" to that very topic :-)) Phil <>___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] attachment.dat
On Sat, 2010-05-15 at 22:52 -0400, Christopher Kurtis Koeber wrote: > > > ..you can also look there http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TNEF (there is > > a > > > list a software to decode winmail.dat at the end of the page) > > > > You might also want to encourage your correspondents to use Internet > > standards for email rather than proprietary formats. Don't hold your > > breath though. > > > > poc > > > One item I would add is to make sure that the message you are opening is > coming from a legitimate source. Most of the time when I get an attachment > with a .dat extention it is fishing or spam. > > Regards, > Chris K. > > ___ It can also be a corrupt message. Phil ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
[Evolution] Auto-Complete Priority
Hi, Is there such a thing? Often contacts have multiple email addresses. Some used more then others. I'm assuming the list is displayed in alphabetical order but I feel it would be significantly more practical to display it based on usage ie the more you mailed a particular address for a certain contact the more chances it has of displaying first in the list. I find that in almost all circumstances the address I use least for a particular contact is the one Evo chooses to display first forcing me to scroll down the list and choose the more appropriate one. Not sure what I am asking is even possible with the way Evo works that list. Thanks, Phil ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] an infuriating problem
On Fri, 2010-04-30 at 05:57 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > On Thu, 2010-04-29 at 09:47 -0400, sec...@indigo.ie wrote: > > hi, > > i'm a linux and evolution user here in ireland. > > i've encountered an evolution problem since tuesday that's baffling me. > > when i try to send e-mails an error message appears that tells me that my > > rcpt host address,ie j...@hotmail is not allowed. > > "the domain is not allowed in my list of rcpt hosts[#5.7.1]" is the message > > That is a message from the SMTP server, not from Evolution. 571 is a relay issue. Either Mail2Web doesn't trust you(the SMTP server of the network you reside in aka your ISPs SMTP server, or the one you entered as SMTP server in Evo) or the end recipients server doesn't trust Mail2Web. If you post headers and tell us what your using as SMTP in Evo we can help more but as Adam mentioned this is likely not an Evolution issue. Cheers, Phil ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
[Evolution] Google calendar: No such calendar
Bump Still no suggestions and problem persists. Hi, I've recently started using Google Calendar from Evo.(Since Insight didn't workout ;)) It seems to work well except for one thing: when I receive a Meeting Request from an Outlook user I must always choose my action twice albeit Accept, Tentative...etc. I click once and get "Unable to send item to calendar 'Shared'. No such calendar" then again and get: Sent to calendar 'Shared' as accepted. I thought at first it was one of those issue whereas the software needed to first establish a connection before it could 'submit' over that socket. Well, it's not so. If I get 5 invites and I tend to them one after the other I still have them same issue. Using: Evo 2.28.2 Linux Deb. 5.0.3 (Squeeze/Sid) on 2.6-32-trunk-686 stock. I'm just going by memory here, but I think I've only had Outlook 2003 users send me events since I started this about a week or so ago. Oh and if it helps, adding an event from scratch on either my laptop via Evo or from Google works perfectly. Cheers, Phil <>___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
[Evolution] Google calendar: No such calendar
Hi, I've recently started using Google Calendar from Evo.(Since Insight didn't workout ;)) It seems to work well except for one thing: when I receive a Meeting Request from an Outlook user I must always choose my action twice albeit Accept, Tentative...etc. I click once and get "Unable to send item to calendar 'Shared'. No such calendar" then again and get: Sent to calendar 'Shared' as accepted. I thought at first it was one of those issue whereas the software needed to first establish a connection before it could 'submit' over that socket. Well, it's not so. If I get 5 invites and I tend to them one after the other I still have them same issue. Using: Evo 2.28.2 Linux Deb. 5.0.3 (Squeeze/Sid) on 2.6-32-trunk-686 stock. I'm just going by memory here, but I think I've only had Outlook 2003 users send me events since I started this about a week or so ago. Oh and if it helps, adding an event from scratch on either my laptop via Evo or from Google works perfectly. Cheers, Phil <>___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] pop password
On Mon, 2010-03-01 at 14:37 +, robert wrote: > When I now click on receive/ send a window comes up asking for my pop > password. I have never had this before. Is this now the norm? > Any suggestions please. > You probably need to contact your ISP/email host and have it reset. But that's just a guess. You haven't provided much info. Phil ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] CalDAV error msg
On Mon, 2010-02-22 at 10:54 +0100, Milan Crha wrote: > You can check stored etags in a calendar cache, in > ~/.evolution/cache/calendar// > are downloaded items, and when you'll search for > X-EVOLUTION-CALDAV-ETAG, then you'll see whether they all are "-0" or > they differ. > > Bye, > Milan Seems like this should be a fairly easy fix...Here's the entry from the cache: cat http___plecavalier \...@mail.plecavalier.net_insight_rpc.php_plecavalier_/calendar.ics |grep X-EVOLUTION-CALDAV-ETAG X-EVOLUTION-CALDAV-ETAG:"393-1266520680" Phil ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] CalDAV error msg
On Sat, 2010-02-20 at 20:07 -0500, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > < Content-Type: calendar/ics <-- you have to have a Content-Type > header. Mine is reported as: Content-Type: application/octet-stream So obviously any software that adheres to strict standards won't like that. I thought Mozilla was in that boat too but I guess they're not as much as Evo. Thank you so much for your help. I appreciate it. Cheers, Phil ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] CalDAV error msg
On Sat, 2010-02-20 at 10:20 -0500, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > > < ETag: -0 > > That is a strange looking etag; valid, but suspicious. I'd suspect the > server doesn't generate etags correctly. > > > < Transfer-Encoding: chunked > > < Content-Type: application/octet-stream > > (process:16763): e-cal-backend-caldav-WARNING **: Object to fetch > > 'http://plecaval...@mail.plecavalier.net/insight/rpc.php/plecavalier/20100219T164212Z-16763-1000-15761-2_plc-20100219T164246Z.ics' > > not of type text/calendar > > It looks like the server does not return any Content-Type header, which > is not a valid HTTP response. > > You should see something like: > < Content-Type: text/calendar > > If Lightning/Sunbird works it probably means it doesn't check the > Content-Type header but just assumes the payload is of the expected > type. Evolution is more strict about such things than most clients. > Ok. Well, it certain feels like we're getting somewhere with this now. Is there anything else you can think of before I bring this to Bynari? Cheers, Phil ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] CalDAV error msg
On Fri, 2010-02-19 at 11:00 +0100, Milan Crha wrote: > On Thu, 2010-02-18 at 19:47 -0500, Philippe LeCavalier wrote: > > I would have gladly provided log entries or something else but since I > > just started playing around with CalDAV I don't know where to look for > > said logs. > > Hi, > please run evolution-data-server-2.28 like this: > $ CALDAV_DEBUG=all /usr/libexec/evolution-data-server-2.28 > (maybe your path to it is different), and then on another console > evolution itself. Any communication with your CalDAV server will be > shown on the evolution-data-server console, hopefully with a detailed > error returned from the server from time of the event creation. Be sure > you'll evolution --force-shutdown before doing above, as only one > evolution-data-server can be running in a system. > > I do not know Insight requirements for CalDAV/calendar, but cannot it > be, for example, that it requires an organizer, which Evolution uses for > meetings only? Just a guess. > Hope that helps, > Milan Hi Milan, I realized I haven't thanked you for the effort in helping me. I appreciate it. Ok well, here is the output from the data-server -not sure if you wanted that but seems to me that there's some relevant errors here: GET /insight/rpc.php/plecavalier/20100219T164212Z-16763-1000-15761-2_plc-20100219T164246Z.ics HTTP/1.1 > Soup-Debug-Timestamp: 1266597768 > Soup-Debug: SoupSessionSync 1 (0x8c37c08), SoupMessage 11 (0x8e45c80), SoupSocket 3 (0x8e0cdd0) > Host: mail.plecavalier.net > User-Agent: Evolution/2.28.2 > Authorization: Basic [plecavalier:] < HTTP/1.1 200 OK < Soup-Debug-Timestamp: 1266597769 < Soup-Debug: SoupMessage 11 (0x8e45c80) < Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 16:44:53 GMT < Server: Apache/1.3.41 (Unix) DAV/1.0.3 PHP/5.2.10 mod_ssl/2.8.31 OpenSSL/0.9.8d < X-Powered-By: PHP/5.2.10 < Set-Cookie: Insight=79eb43941a932cf212f8556dff3bbd6b; path=/insight; domain=mail.plecavalier.net < Expires: Thu, 19 Nov 1981 08:52:00 GMT < Cache-Control: no-store, no-cache, must-revalidate, post-check=0, pre-check=0 < Pragma: no-cache < Set-Cookie: auth_key=79eb43941a932cf212f8556dff3bbd6b; path=/insight; domain=mail.plecavalier.net < Set-Cookie: Insight=79eb43941a932cf212f8556dff3bbd6b; path=/insight; domain=mail.plecavalier.net < X-WebDAV-Status: 200 OK < ETag: -0 < Transfer-Encoding: chunked < Content-Type: application/octet-stream < (process:16763): e-cal-backend-caldav-WARNING **: Object to fetch 'http://plecaval...@mail.plecavalier.net/insight/rpc.php/plecavalier/20100219T164212Z-16763-1000-15761-2_plc-20100219T164246Z.ics' not of type text/calendar Here's the output from the Evo console: plecaval...@plc:~$ evolution (evolution:26785): evolution-shell-WARNING **: The name org.freedesktop.NetworkManager was not provided by any .service files calendar-gui-Message: Check if default client matches (1266519858.1266...@plc 1266519858.1266...@plc) Sorry, I don't know what you mean by "requires an organizer". Thanks again, Phil ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] CalDAV error msg
On Thu, 2010-02-18 at 20:47 -0500, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > > Still look to me like Cyrus is hosting my calendar ;) > > IT IS NOT.! It just isn't. I admin multiple Cyrus systems, I've been a > Cyrus admin for more than a decade, I develop groupware system, and I'm > currently working on a CalDAV implementation Cyrus is *NOT* hosting > your calendar. Period. It isn't. > I was just kidding...Guess I'm done here. Phil ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] CalDAV error msg
On Thu, 2010-02-18 at 19:47 -0500, Philippe LeCavalier wrote: > > On Fri, 2010-02-19 at 00:03 +, Pete Biggs wrote: > > > On Thu, 2010-02-18 at 18:54 -0500, Philippe LeCavalier wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 2010-02-18 at 18:27 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > > > Clearly your server has something else besides Cyrus, and that's where > > > > you need to look for problems. > > > Okay. But I don't really agree with the above statement. > > > > What part don't you agree with? That your server has something other > > than Cyrus on it, or that you need to look there for the problem? > > > > P. > > > > No no, the latter. I haven't provided enough information to determine > that. I would have gladly provided log entries or something else but > since I just started playing around with CalDAV I don't know where to > look for said logs. This is where my request for help comes in. I need > some help to point me in the right direction...The only fact useful in > troubleshooting this issue so far is that I only get this error from > Evo. Sunbird posts events just fine in the same calendar. > > I'm asking for help. But mostly I'm asking for assistance in finding > more information. > > What normally hosts a CalDAV compliant calendar? The Insight Server > install, although now open-sourced, was somewhat proprietary. A single > script installs many, many services ranging from the already mentioned > Cyrus IMAP server to a Jabber chat server to ProFTPD free/busy > scheduling serveretc All that to say, I don't know what was > installed to host the calendar service. > > Phil > > ___ Just to add a little more info here. I finally found a log worth examining Here some output: Feb 18 19:59:06 [imap] ptload returning data Feb 18 19:59:06 [imap] using ptloaded value of: plecavalier Feb 18 19:59:06 [imap] open: user plecavalier opened Calendar Feb 18 19:59:06 [imap] SQUAT failed to open index file Feb 18 19:59:06 [imap] SQUAT failed Feb 18 19:59:06 [imap] SQUAT failed to open index file Feb 18 19:59:06 [imap] SQUAT failed Still look to me like Cyrus is hosting my calendar ;) My first instinct since it's IMAP was to reconstruct but that didn't help any. Cheers, Phil <>___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] CalDAV error msg
On Fri, 2010-02-19 at 00:03 +, Pete Biggs wrote: > On Thu, 2010-02-18 at 18:54 -0500, Philippe LeCavalier wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, 2010-02-18 at 18:27 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > > Clearly your server has something else besides Cyrus, and that's where > > > you need to look for problems. > > Okay. But I don't really agree with the above statement. > > What part don't you agree with? That your server has something other > than Cyrus on it, or that you need to look there for the problem? > > P. > No no, the latter. I haven't provided enough information to determine that. I would have gladly provided log entries or something else but since I just started playing around with CalDAV I don't know where to look for said logs. This is where my request for help comes in. I need some help to point me in the right direction...The only fact useful in troubleshooting this issue so far is that I only get this error from Evo. Sunbird posts events just fine in the same calendar. I'm asking for help. But mostly I'm asking for assistance in finding more information. What normally hosts a CalDAV compliant calendar? The Insight Server install, although now open-sourced, was somewhat proprietary. A single script installs many, many services ranging from the already mentioned Cyrus IMAP server to a Jabber chat server to ProFTPD free/busy scheduling serveretc All that to say, I don't know what was installed to host the calendar service. Phil ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] CalDAV error msg
On Thu, 2010-02-18 at 18:27 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > Clearly your server has something else besides Cyrus, and that's where > you need to look for problems. Okay. But I don't really agree with the above statement. Phil ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] CalDAV error msg
On Thu, 2010-02-18 at 14:39 -0500, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > On Thu, 2010-02-18 at 14:30 -0500, Philippe LeCavalier wrote: > > Just wondering if someone could point me in the right direction... > > I've got Evo 2.28 with a CalDAV subscription to a Cyrus IMAP server - > > That isn't possible. Cyrus is an IMAP server, not a CalDAV server > [CalDAV has nothing to do with mail]. > Well, I have an Insight Server installed and as far as I know the entire mail store is in Cyrus ie. mail, contacts and calendar. They may be adding something in front of that to mka eit work - I don't know. The accounts are stored in OpenLDAP is that helps any? > What URL are you creating a subscription to? It's caldav://192.168.0.1/insight/rpc.php/plecavalier which is generated within the Calendar config for the purpose of subscribing to it remotely as per the instructions on Bynari's site. You thought I was gonna say something stupid here didn't you ;) > > > please ask if you need more details - When I create an event Evo > > appears to hang for 30 seconds or so the returns an "Invalid Object" > > msg before kicking me back to the Create Even window. If I close the > > window, discarding the changes, and wait from 5 to 10 seconds the even > > appears in the correct area with all the desired info. If I choose > > Save it loops back to the same error. > > If I log into the webclient the event also appears as it should but I > > What webclient? Webclient of what? The server has a webclient front end, It's a branded derivative of Horde. > > > can't edit it. Adding new events from the webclient works just fine. > > I can also edit events created in the webclient from Evo without the > > Invalid Object error. > > I'm keeping in mind that this could turn out to be a server-side issue > > What server? My local mail server (Insight Server) on my LAN Cheers, Phil <>___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
[Evolution] CalDAV error msg
Hi Everyone, Just wondering if someone could point me in the right direction... I've got Evo 2.28 with a CalDAV subscription to a Cyrus IMAP server - please ask if you need more details - When I create an event Evo appears to hang for 30 seconds or so the returns an "Invalid Object" msg before kicking me back to the Create Even window. If I close the window, discarding the changes, and wait from 5 to 10 seconds the even appears in the correct area with all the desired info. If I choose Save it loops back to the same error. If I log into the webclient the event also appears as it should but I can't edit it. Adding new events from the webclient works just fine. I can also edit events created in the webclient from Evo without the Invalid Object error. I'm keeping in mind that this could turn out to be a server-side issue but I've also tested this with Sunbird and did not get any errors. The same Evo install w/CalDAV to Google performs exactly as expected however. Cheers, Phil ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evo hangs on drag and drop
On Thu, 2010-01-07 at 20:20 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > Probably one for Bugzilla, but at a minimum you'd need to say what > desktop environment you use, and preferably which distro. These kinds of > issues often depend on specific video cards, so that would also be worth > mentioning. > > poc > I use XFCE 4.6.1 on Debian Squeeze (5.03) with Linux 2.6.30-2. My video card sucks for Linux it's a SiSM650 so since you metion it this may be the source of my problems... Cheers, Phil ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
[Evolution] Evo hangs on drag and drop
Hi, As of Evo 2.28 I can't drag and drop message attachments from the preview pane to the compose window. In 2.28.1 Evo simply ignored the action. But since my last update (I still have Evo 2.28.1 but I imagine some libraries have changed somewhere) Evo locks up. This is not the kind of thing I like doing but my wife sends me invoices to pass-on to my clients and I have no need to save them locally so I simply drag 'n drop the attachment and delete the original. I would really like to retain this ability...does it help if I say please!? :) Cheers, Phil <>___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Memo seg faults Evo
On Wed, 2009-12-16 at 19:24 -0600, C de-Avillez wrote: > On 12/16/2009 07:07 PM, Philippe LeCavalier wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Since I upgraded to Evo 2.28 I get a seg fault when I add a memo. Here's > > the output when run from the command line: > > > > plecaval...@plc:~$ evolution > > > > ** (evolution:11140): CRITICAL **: atk_object_set_name: assertion > > `name != NULL' failed > > > > (evolution:11140): evolution-shell-WARNING **: The name > > org.freedesktop.NetworkManager was not provided by any .service files > > > > > > ** (evolution:11140): CRITICAL **: atk_object_set_name: assertion > > `name != NULL' failed > > > > ** (evolution:11140): CRITICAL **: atk_object_set_name: assertion > > `name != NULL' failed > > > > ** (evolution:11140): CRITICAL **: atk_object_set_name: assertion > > `name != NULL' failed > > > > ** (evolution:11140): CRITICAL **: atk_object_set_name: assertion > > `name != NULL' failed > > > > ** (evolution:11140): CRITICAL **: atk_object_set_name: assertion > > `name != NULL' failed > > Segmentation fault > > plecaval...@plc:~$ > > > Well, the stdout/stderr output does not help much -- it would be better > with a backtrace --, but this sounds like bug 460050 [1]. Do you have it > applied? > > Cheers, > > > [1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/460050 > > > Yes, you're right. Sorry. Cheers, Phil ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
[Evolution] Memo seg faults Evo
Hi, Since I upgraded to Evo 2.28 I get a seg fault when I add a memo. Here's the output when run from the command line: plecaval...@plc:~$ evolution ** (evolution:11140): CRITICAL **: atk_object_set_name: assertion `name != NULL' failed (evolution:11140): evolution-shell-WARNING **: The name org.freedesktop.NetworkManager was not provided by any .service files ** (evolution:11140): CRITICAL **: atk_object_set_name: assertion `name != NULL' failed ** (evolution:11140): CRITICAL **: atk_object_set_name: assertion `name != NULL' failed ** (evolution:11140): CRITICAL **: atk_object_set_name: assertion `name != NULL' failed ** (evolution:11140): CRITICAL **: atk_object_set_name: assertion `name != NULL' failed ** (evolution:11140): CRITICAL **: atk_object_set_name: assertion `name != NULL' failed Segmentation fault plecaval...@plc:~$ I run Deb testing. Any insight would be appreciated. Cheers, Phil ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
[Evolution] bonobo dependency q's
Hi all, Is it my imagination or did I see a posting about Evo 2.28 and up detaching from bonobo? I'm on deb with 2.28.1 and removing it forces the removal of Evo still. Cheers, Phil ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
[Evolution] Happy days
Yay! The Testing branch of Debian has finally moved to Evo 2.28. I imagine there's an 'announce' list but like me, I'm sure there are some who are not subscribe and would appreciate knowing. Cheers, Phil ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evo and mail notification in KDE taskbar
On Thu, 2009-11-26 at 12:37 +0100, Matthias Apitz wrote: > Hi, > > El día Thursday, November 26, 2009 a las 11:21:28AM +0100, Milan Crha > escribió: > > > On Thu, 2009-11-26 at 09:20 +, Pete Biggs wrote: > > > The notification area icon appears when new mail arrives and Evo > > > doesn't > > > have focus - as soon as you "acknowledge" the arrival of new mail by > > > giving focus to Evo, the icon goes away. So it's a "new" mail icon > > > rather than an "unread" mail icon. It doesn't appear if Evo has focus > > > when the mail arrives. > > I don't think that the fact that the icon does not appear, does not > depend on having Evo the focus; most of the time Evo sits in another of > my 4 desktops and I'm working on other stuff, i.e. Evo does not have the I posted a very similar scenario about a week ago; my new mail notice doesn't even disappear with I mark the new mail as read. I must navigate to the actual new msg and click on it for the icon to go away. Cheers, Phil ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
[Evolution] New mail notification stays after marked read
Hi, Just noticed something. If you use IMAP and filter your new mail to various folders and have Evo set to look for new mail in all subscribed folders, the new mail icon doesn't disappear if you merely right-click and mark the message as read from the folder tree. You have to actually click on the containing folder. Not sure if this is even something that needs fixing... Cheers, Phil ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Unable to retrieve message
On Sun, 2009-11-08 at 18:51 +0100, Felix Koop wrote: > > Am Sonntag, den 08.11.2009, 10:09 -0430 schrieb Patrick O'Callaghan: > > On Sat, 2009-11-07 at 20:03 +0100, Felix Koop wrote: > > > > > > Just to be sure: The folder in which I get this message is not on any > > > server, but on the local machine. But I looked up all servers and there > > > is no message in the inbox of any server (not anything that resembles > > > this dead message by any means). > > > > The only other thing I can think of is a corrupted mbox file. You might > > try passing it through formail (part of the procmail package) which can > > clean up problems like this. Or even looking at it with an editor (e.g. > > if there's a non-ASCII character in there somewhere it could cause > > problems). > > > > poc > > > > That didn't help. But I found another solution that did work: deleting > folders.db. When deleting index files, I only deleted *.cmeta, *.index, > *.index.data, *.ev-summary and *.ev-summary-meta. Now that I deleted > folders.db the mail seemed to go away. > I remember once I had to do that. Can't remember why but that had fixed my problem at the time as well. Glad to hear you're in the clear! Cheers, Phil ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
[Evolution] Pet peeve/message filters, read status order
Hi all, Just wondering if the following is an isolated issue or an expected result. When I create a message filter of the type 'move mail from[or with subject containing] to specified folder and set status read' I must get evo to set the status prior to moving the mail. Otherwise the mail is moved but not set to read. I know this is very minor but I always pick the folder and then set the status - it's just how I've learnt to create rules. Can someone else tell me if they're forced to set the message status prior to doing anything else? If this is just how it's suppose to be I'll settle for constantly tripping over this due to my own habit but if it's a bug I'd really like to see it go away ;) Cheers, Phil <>___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Another folder selection wish
> *The reason I prefer "last selected" is that I may be checking something > in another folder in reference to the selected message. Once I get the > info I need from that other folder, I want to go back to the message I > was reading. Did I articulate that understandably? I do that all the time as well...Would be very useful. Cheers, Phil ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Right-click logic?
On Wed, 2009-10-28 at 09:55 -0400, Matthew Barnes wrote: > On Tue, 2009-10-27 at 22:54 -0400, Matthew Barnes wrote: > > I see that Thunderbird remembers which folder was highlighted prior to > > the right-click, and automatically switches back to it when the pop-up > > menu is closed. That seems like something we could do. > > I ate my Wheaties today and managed to get this working and committed > for Evolution 2.29.2 as well. As usual there were some unexpected > subtleties to contend with, so feedback on this feature from the early > adopters would be appreciated. > > Matthew Barnes > > ___ > Evolution-list mailing list > Evolution-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list Impressive. Just goes to show why open source is the only way to go! Cheers, Phil ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
