Re: [Evolution] Cannot connect to Evolution with Google

[Anonymous Japhering via evolution-list]

On Mon, 2021-02-15 at 17:33 +, Pete Biggs wrote:
> On Mon, 2021-02-15 at 12:21 -0500, Daniel Caron via evolution-list
> wrote:
> > I just did and all suddenly it worked like a charm. Thanks for the
> > hints.
> > The version was coming from my KDE Depot and obviously was out dated.
> 
> No, quite the opposite.  The flatpack version is more recent, but
> flatpack apps run in their own sandpit so sometimes their interaction
> with other parts of the environment can be a bit hit and miss. 

I'm running the flatpak version  --  3.38.5 (flatpak git900a819)
and have no issues  with Gmail/G-Suite  aside from Google's security protocols.
 I run a main install at my desk and
a secondary install on my traveling gear.  Even though I'm running the same
Linux version, at the same kernel/patch
level with OAuth2 -- Google always insists on blocking which ever machine I
switching to until I come in
via webmail to say "Yes, it was me"

The issues I have with Flatpak are things requiring interaction with the host
system .. sending attachments, or
using the "open with default application" for incoming attachments.    On the
odd version where open with
works,  it usually means that "Save as" doesn't 
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Re: [Evolution] Cannot connect to Evolution with Google

[Daniel Caron via evolution-list]

Thank You Mr Biggs and have a nice day to all of you on the list
On lun, 2021-02-15 at 17:33 +, Pete Biggs wrote:
> On Mon, 2021-02-15 at 12:21 -0500, Daniel Caron via evolution-
> listwrote:
> > I just did and all suddenly it worked like a charm. Thanks for
> > thehints.The version was coming from my KDE Depot and obviously was
> > out dated.
> 
> No, quite the opposite.  The flatpack version is more recent,
> butflatpack apps run in their own sandpit so sometimes their
> interactionwith other parts of the environment can be a bit hit and
> miss. 
> Fortunately the native version you have installed isn't that old so
> itshould all be OK.
> P.
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Re: [Evolution] Cannot connect to Evolution with Google

[Pete Biggs]

On Mon, 2021-02-15 at 12:21 -0500, Daniel Caron via evolution-list
wrote:
> I just did and all suddenly it worked like a charm. Thanks for the
> hints.
> The version was coming from my KDE Depot and obviously was out dated.

No, quite the opposite.  The flatpack version is more recent, but
flatpack apps run in their own sandpit so sometimes their interaction
with other parts of the environment can be a bit hit and miss. 

Fortunately the native version you have installed isn't that old so it
should all be OK.

P.


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Re: [Evolution] Cannot connect to Evolution with Google

[Daniel Caron via evolution-list]

I just did and all suddenly it worked like a charm. Thanks for the
hints.
The version was coming from my KDE Depot and obviously was out dated.

On lun, 2021-02-15 at 13:55 +, Pete Biggs wrote:
> > What I did as suggested in pages related to gnomes keyring i
> > installed 
> > one from ubuntu by doing sudo apt install gnomes-keyring and it
> > work 
> > partly accepting to ass my contacts but not for messages. Now I
> > received 
> > a message saying 0Auth2 not found from Evo.
> 
> Google/gmail works fine with Evolution.
> 
> 
> You said, I think, that you used the flatpack version of Evolution. 
> Can you install a native version?
> 
> P.
> 
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Re: [Evolution] Cannot connect to Evolution with Google

[Milan Crha via evolution-list]

On Mon, 2021-02-15 at 08:31 -0500, Daniel Caron via evolution-list
wrote:
> Now I received a message saying 0Auth2 not found from Evo.

Hi,
it depends what precisely you did. It's much better to have defined all
your Google sources as a single account, rather than multiple of them
(separate mail, separate calendar,...), thus you enter the credentials
only once. Using Edit->Accounts->Add->Collection account, or
File->New->Collection account, and fill there your Gmail address and
then just Next->Next->Next->... with some modifications as you might
wish them, is the easiest and working way to create the Google account.

The error message itself, when you get "OAuth2 secret not found", you
should be also prompted to log in the Google account and that you agree
with sharing the data with the application/Evolution, similarly as you
did before, I guess. Once you do it again it'll be saved to the GNOME
keyring and that's all.

If you installed (and ran) gnome-keyring-daemon after the evolution(-
data-server) processes, then I suggest to execute:
   $ evolution --force-shutdown
to make sure the libsecret library (on the evolution-source-registry
process side) connects to the newly run gnome-keyring-daemon. You can
see what secrets you've stored in the keyring in an application called
"seahorse".

Bye,
Milan
> > 

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Re: [Evolution] Cannot connect to Evolution with Google

[Pete Biggs]

> 
> What I did as suggested in pages related to gnomes keyring i installed 
> one from ubuntu by doing sudo apt install gnomes-keyring and it work 
> partly accepting to ass my contacts but not for messages. Now I received 
> a message saying 0Auth2 not found from Evo.

Google/gmail works fine with Evolution.


You said, I think, that you used the flatpack version of Evolution. 
Can you install a native version?

P.


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Re: [Evolution] Cannot connect to Evolution with Google

[Daniel Caron via evolution-list]

Good day Milan and group .

What I did as suggested in pages related to gnomes keyring i installed 
one from ubuntu by doing sudo apt install gnomes-keyring and it work 
partly accepting to ass my contacts but not for messages. Now I received 
a message saying 0Auth2 not found from Evo.


So I installed Thunderbird and from it , it work flawlessly. Something I 
am missing here ??


Regards



Le 2021-02-15 à 03 h 37, Milan Crha via evolution-list a écrit :

On Sat, 2021-02-13 at 23:01 -0500, Daniel Caron via evolution-list
wrote:

This is what I end up with, any solution here

Hi,
the error message means there is no process providing
org.freedesktop.secrets D-Bus interface. That is used to store the
password, from which I guess you received the OAuth2 token, but
evolution failed to save it, due to this error.

There is usually used GNOME keyring for this. Is gnome-keyring-daemon
installed and running on your machine?

Your KDE may not have it. There are some threads about the gnome-
keyring-daemon in the archive, even on KDE, I only do not have a good
candidate for you. You may see there some caveats with it on KDE, but
nothing unbearable, I guess. There are people using Evolution with the
GNOME keyring on KDE successfully.

Bye,
Milan

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Re: [Evolution] Cannot connect to Evolution with Google

[Robert McDonald]

Response interleaved below (you'll see at the end why I said this
here):

On Mon, 2021-02-15 at 11:18 +1300, Kiwi Rider via evolution-list wrote:
> Patrick, while I agree that the form of quoting you prefer seems 
> naturally better

I agree.  That, and trimming follow-ups.

> for quite some time now the form that Daniel Caron 
> used is the most common.

I agree, with great sadness ;^) (ah, also for the days of ASCII
emoticons, not that I ever used them that often).

> Most people [top post] and 
> the few of us who normally don't are disappearing.

Except maybe in history books or old email and Usenet archives.

> For the same reason I gave up the fight against HTML in email some 20
> years back.

I remember about 20 years ago informing one person by sending them the
voluminous HTML source (a few KB worth) for the email he sent me in
which he wrote only a single short sentence, showing him all the
unnecessary stuff his email client included in HTML email just for his
one little sentence.

> A number of email clients make it harder to quote properly,
> especially 
> those on Android it seems, and probably a number of Windows clients.

This is the scariest thing for me, and what motivated me to respond to
this email (merely indulging in nostalgia wasn't enough).  I once
replied to a prospective employer who then asked me why I sent them a
blank email.  Turns out their email client had collapsed everything in
my response including and below the reply mark, which is of course
(being a diligent in-line responder) where I had put all my responses.

After that, I always top-post a salutation together with a note that my
response is below (except for this list since it is populated by in-
line non-HTML responders, except for just this time to illustrate this
point).  That's when I realized that top-posting had taken over the
email world.

Reports of methods for thwarting such email client behavior with
respect to in-line replying are welcome (this is the closest I get in
this email to relevance to the charter of this list).


-- 
Robert McDonald

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Re: [Evolution] Cannot connect to Evolution with Google

[Milan Crha via evolution-list]

On Sat, 2021-02-13 at 23:01 -0500, Daniel Caron via evolution-list
wrote:
> This is what I end up with, any solution here

Hi,
the error message means there is no process providing
org.freedesktop.secrets D-Bus interface. That is used to store the
password, from which I guess you received the OAuth2 token, but
evolution failed to save it, due to this error.

There is usually used GNOME keyring for this. Is gnome-keyring-daemon
installed and running on your machine?

Your KDE may not have it. There are some threads about the gnome-
keyring-daemon in the archive, even on KDE, I only do not have a good
candidate for you. You may see there some caveats with it on KDE, but
nothing unbearable, I guess. There are people using Evolution with the
GNOME keyring on KDE successfully.

Bye,
Milan

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Re: [Evolution] Cannot connect to Evolution with Google

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Mon, 2021-02-15 at 11:18 +1300, Kiwi Rider via evolution-list wrote:
> Patrick, while I agree that the form of quoting you prefer seems 
> naturally better, for quite some time now the form that Daniel Caron 
> used is the most common. It is absolutely irritating but you might as 
> well try to stop any of the other tides of behaviour those of us who 
> prefer the old 'hand-crafted' ways find annoying. Most people do it and 
> the few of us who normally don't are disappearing.

[...]

The top-posting form of quoting is indeed the common style, and I even
use it myself when replying to personal mails using a webmail
interface. I agree that it's impossible to change the world's bad
habits (which arose entirely because Microsoft's Not Invented Here
syndrome when they decided to "invent" email and foisted Outlook upon
the world).

Be that as it may, a mailing list is a horse of different colour. It's
a fairly small community of people with a common interest, and is
perfectly at liberty to define its own standards to try to improve
communication. A mailing list is also different from the everyday
corporate mail we are all used to, because a) everything is archived,
making it redundant to have fully quoted messages which themselves
contain fully quoted replies to previous fully quoted replies (and so
ad nauseam), and b) the list deals with a huge variety of different
topics within its general area of concern, and each of these tends to
give rise to a sometimes quite long thread of back-and-forth posts. In
these circumstances, the unselective top-posting style of replies is
entirely inappropriate. Selective quoting with inserted comments
originally evolved as the preferred style for Usenet newsgroups, and
continues to be the preferred style for technical mailing lists.

As one of the moderators of this list, I feel free to remind people of
this occasionally.

Cheers

poc

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Re: [Evolution] Cannot connect to Evolution with Google

[Kiwi Rider via evolution-list]

Hi Daniel,

Are you able to ping the address "www.googleapis.com" (open a terminal, 
type the command "ping www.googleapis.com"). That will tell you if there 
is any name resolution issues on your end or not. 
https://www.googleapis.com initially did not respond when I tried it in 
my browser, but http:// did work (though only giving a "not found" text 
on the page (different to a 404). The https version now gives the same 
response, so I wonder if they had an outage?



In thunderbird on this machine the URL being used is 
"*oauth://accounts.google.com* (https://mail.google.com/)" - I don't 
know if Evolution will manage that or not. I cannot see where to find 
that URL in Evolution.


Can I ask you to check the settings for the mail account in Evolution? 
For my gmail account there I have


Receiving email :
Server : *imap.gmail.com* port *993*
username : my email address
Encryption : TLS on a dedicated port
Authentication OAuth2 (Google)

Sending email :
Server : *smtp.gmail.com* port *465
*Encryption : TLS on a dedicated port
Authentication OAuth2 (Google)*
*
I believe Evolution should get these settings automatically, but there 
could be a glitch somewhere causing something to be off.


As at the start, I'd check that you can reach the googleapis URL first, 
as a firewall glitch or other issue may be stopping that.


I hope this is of some use,
KR


On 14/02/21 5:01 pm, Daniel Caron via evolution-list wrote:

image.png
Good day everyone, first time comer here.
I am having this problem with the first time connection with Evolution
This is what I end up with, any solution here

Daniel Caron
carondaniel1...@gmail.com 



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Re: [Evolution] Cannot connect to Evolution with Google

[Kiwi Rider via evolution-list]

Patrick, while I agree that the form of quoting you prefer seems 
naturally better, for quite some time now the form that Daniel Caron 
used is the most common. It is absolutely irritating but you might as 
well try to stop any of the other tides of behaviour those of us who 
prefer the old 'hand-crafted' ways find annoying. Most people do it and 
the few of us who normally don't are disappearing.


For the same reason I gave up the fight against HTML in email some 20 
years back. We cannot win, we can only do our best to remember a better 
world, and keep some flame alive.



A number of email clients make it harder to quote properly, especially 
those on Android it seems, and probably a number of Windows clients.


I see the style of quoting that Mr Caron uses consistently in email 
discussions from scientists, lawyers and judges alike. I also see it 
from mechanics and other well-trained people, suggesting that the styles 
those of us who have been around tech for decades consider "normal use" 
may not be as natural to others as they seem to us. They certainly don't 
seem to appear natural to experts in other fields!


Please do understand that other people have different work-flows to 
yours, and those flows work for them :) It's a lot more helpful to try 
to deal with the problem than it is to jump on someone because you don't 
see that others have different ways of doing things :)


[I'll go hide in the bushes now, pretending I'm waiting to pounce like a 
tiger whereas I'm really just snoozing till mealtime like a common moggy]


On 15/02/21 7:16 am, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

On Sun, 2021-02-14 at 12:46 -0500, Daniel Caron wrote:

ok sorry for that

And you top-quoted again ...

The easy way to avoid this is to just select the part of the text you
want to comment on before hitting Reply, then Evo will quote only that
and place the cursor after it. You can then move it around to split the
text and insert comments where you want, but most of the time just one
comment is enough and this will do the right thing.

poc

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Re: [Evolution] Cannot connect to Evolution with Google

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Sun, 2021-02-14 at 12:46 -0500, Daniel Caron wrote:
> ok sorry for that

And you top-quoted again ...

The easy way to avoid this is to just select the part of the text you
want to comment on before hitting Reply, then Evo will quote only that
and place the cursor after it. You can then move it around to split the
text and insert comments where you want, but most of the time just one
comment is enough and this will do the right thing.

poc

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Re: [Evolution] Cannot connect to Evolution with Google

[Daniel Caron via evolution-list]

ok sorry for that

Daniel Caron
carondaniel1...@gmail.com



Le dim. 14 févr. 2021 à 12:03, Patrick O'Callaghan  a écrit :

> On Sun, 2021-02-14 at 09:24 -0500, Daniel Caron via evolution-list
> wrote:
> > Which Evolution version? 3.38.4 (by flathub.org)
> > Which distribution and version? KDENeon User Edition 5.20
> > Which desktop environment? Plasma
> > What have you tried so far? Several time I killed my account in
> > "Preference"
> > I also noticed that I had the same issue in Linux Mint. with OAuth
> > from
> > Google
> >
> > I see many results for "the name org.freedesktop.secrets was not
> > provided by any .service files" in internet search engines...
>
> Please don't top-quote on this list. It makes threads harder to read.
>
> Also, a reply such as this works better if you insert your answer after
> each *quoted* question, rather than copying them all manually at the
> top.
>
> poc
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Re: [Evolution] Cannot connect to Evolution with Google

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Sun, 2021-02-14 at 09:24 -0500, Daniel Caron via evolution-list
wrote:
> Which Evolution version? 3.38.4 (by flathub.org)
> Which distribution and version? KDENeon User Edition 5.20
> Which desktop environment? Plasma
> What have you tried so far? Several time I killed my account in
> "Preference"
> I also noticed that I had the same issue in Linux Mint. with OAuth
> from
> Google
> 
> I see many results for "the name org.freedesktop.secrets was not
> provided by any .service files" in internet search engines...

Please don't top-quote on this list. It makes threads harder to read. 

Also, a reply such as this works better if you insert your answer after
each *quoted* question, rather than copying them all manually at the
top.

poc

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Re: [Evolution] Cannot connect to Evolution with Google

[Daniel Caron via evolution-list]

Which Evolution version? 3.38.4 (by flathub.org)
Which distribution and version? KDENeon User Edition 5.20
Which desktop environment? Plasma
What have you tried so far? Several time I killed my account in "Preference"
I also noticed that I had the same issue in Linux Mint. with OAuth from
Google

I see many results for "the name org.freedesktop.secrets was not
provided by any .service files" in internet search engines...

Daniel Caron
carondaniel1...@gmail.com



Le dim. 14 févr. 2021 à 04:29, Andre Klapper via evolution-list <
evolution-list@gnome.org> a écrit :

> Hi Daniel and welcome,
>
> On Sat, 2021-02-13 at 23:01 -0500, Daniel Caron via evolution-list
> wrote:
> > image.png
> > Good day everyone, first time comer here.
> > I am having this problem with the first time connection with
> > Evolution
> > This is what I end up with, any solution here
>
> Which Evolution version? Which distribution and version? Which desktop
> environment? What have you tried so far?
> I see many results for "the name org.freedesktop.secrets was not
> provided by any .service files" in internet search engines...
>
> Cheers,
> andre
> --
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> https://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/
>
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Re: [Evolution] Cannot connect to Evolution with Google

[Andre Klapper via evolution-list]

Hi Daniel and welcome,

On Sat, 2021-02-13 at 23:01 -0500, Daniel Caron via evolution-list
wrote:
> image.png
> Good day everyone, first time comer here.
> I am having this problem with the first time connection with
> Evolution
> This is what I end up with, any solution here

Which Evolution version? Which distribution and version? Which desktop
environment? What have you tried so far?
I see many results for "the name org.freedesktop.secrets was not
provided by any .service files" in internet search engines...

Cheers,
andre
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[Evolution] Cannot connect to Evolution with Google

[Daniel Caron via evolution-list]

[image: image.png]
Good day everyone, first time comer here.
I am having this problem with the first time connection with Evolution
This is what I end up with, any solution here

Daniel Caron
carondaniel1...@gmail.com
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