Re: [Evolution] Folder confusion
On Tue, 2021-01-19 at 04:35 +0100, Douglas Summers via evolution-list wrote: > I tried to move a sub-folder to the top-level...and it just vanished! Hi, for the record, this had been filled as: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/evolution-ews/-/issues/141 by another user. Bye, Milan ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Folder confusion
Hello Douglas, doing evolution --force-shutdown in a terminal should already be sufficient to shutdown Evolution completely. No need to mess around with sudo or pkill, at least here on my rig. Kind regards. Am Dienstag, dem 19.01.2021 um 04:22 + schrieb Douglas Summers via evolution-list: > On Tue, 2021-01-19 at 05:18 +0100, Ralf Mardorf via evolution-list wrote: > > On Tue, 2021-01-19 at 03:35 +, Douglas Summers wrote: > > In a panic, I tried to restart Evolution, but every time I tried to > > > kill some of the leftover processes, my system would log me off after > > > entering my sudo password. > > > > IIUC you closed Evolution. After that you used "sudo" to kill some > > remaining processes using a kill command, such as maybe "pkill". > > > > What processes did you kill? How did you kill the processes? Did you use > > a regular expression to kill remaining processes? Why do you need to use > > "sudo"? > > > These were the processes left after closing Evolution: > /usr/libexec/evolution-source-registry > /usr/libexec/evolution-calendar-factory > /usr/libexec/evolution-addressbook-factory > > I had to use sudo because they wouldn't close with my account (even though > I was shown as the process owner), although after I was dumped the > processes became owned by root. > ___ > evolution-list mailing list > evolution-list@gnome.org > To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Folder confusion
Hello Douglas, here's what I would do: 1. Exit Evolution completely by doing evolution --force-shutdown 2. Delete the folder $HOME/.cache/evolution/mail (leave all the others untouched) 3. Restart Evolution This should force Evolution to re-sync all the mail folders with the contents on the servers. Kind regards. Am Dienstag, dem 19.01.2021 um 03:35 + schrieb Douglas Summers via evolution-list: > [LM 20.1, Evolution 3.36.4, Hotmail via EWS] > > Something really strange happened to one of my folders on Outlook. I tried > to move a sub-folder to the top-level...and it just vanished! In a panic, > I tried to restart Evolution, but every time I tried to kill some of the > leftover processes, my system would log me off after entering my sudo > password. After rebooting, I logged into my email account via browser and > it was there, right where I'd put it. However, Evolution has no idea where > it is. > > If I need to purge some files, please let me know which. I don't want to > do a blanket purge of Evolution's cache, as I find some of my (in > Evolution) screen settings disappear. > > ___ > evolution-list mailing list > evolution-list@gnome.org > To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Folder confusion
On Tue, 2021-01-19 at 12:24 +0100, Milan Crha via evolution-list wrote: > On Tue, 2021-01-19 at 11:53 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > it's an undocumented option in the current version of Evo. > > Hi, > that's true. I added it to the `man` page only recently, for 3.40.0. > > > Recently you recommended '--quit'. Is that the same thing? > > No, it's not the same thing. The --force-shutdown kills everything > related to evolution and evolution-data-server, while the --quit only > quits the Evolution itself, if it's running. > > I suggested the --quit only as an option to close the Evolution, not as > a comparable option to the --force-shutdown. OK, thanks. poc ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Folder confusion
On Tue, 2021-01-19 at 11:53 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > it's an undocumented option in the current version of Evo. Hi, that's true. I added it to the `man` page only recently, for 3.40.0. > Recently you recommended '--quit'. Is that the same thing? No, it's not the same thing. The --force-shutdown kills everything related to evolution and evolution-data-server, while the --quit only quits the Evolution itself, if it's running. I suggested the --quit only as an option to close the Evolution, not as a comparable option to the --force-shutdown. Bye, Milan ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Folder confusion
On Tue, 2021-01-19 at 09:28 +0100, Milan Crha via evolution-list wrote: > Hi, > just a note, I agree with Ralf, there is no need for sudo. Simply run: > > $ evolution --force-shutdown I used to to do that a long time ago, but it's an undocumented option in the current version of Evo. Recently you recommended '--quit'. Is that the same thing? poc ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Folder confusion
On Tue, 2021-01-19 at 06:08 +0100, Douglas Summers via evolution-list wrote: > > then "sudo" is still not the way to go. If you can't kill the > > processes or if thy should get automatically restarted, there's > > probably a good reason for this behaviour. > > > I'll give these suggestions a try if it happens again; thanks for the > help. Hi, just a note, I agree with Ralf, there is no need for sudo. Simply run: $ evolution --force-shutdown If there are some processes "still" running after it, then it can be they had been restarted by some other process (you can notice that by different process ID in the `ps` command), like GNOME Shell can restart the evolution-calendar-factory when it disappears, which brings up other processes. As your query had been about the Mail part, there is no need to restart the background processes, the mail runs only on the evolution side. Bye, Milan ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Folder confusion
On Tue, 2021-01-19 at 04:35 +0100, Douglas Summers via evolution-list wrote: > If I need to purge some files, please let me know which. Hi, you can find a folder-tree file under ~/.cache/evolution/mail/ , which contains a list of known Mail folders in the EWS account. It looks like it has got out of sync with the server for some reason. Remove it, or delete the line starting with "sync_state=" (quotes for clarity only), and the next start of the Evolution it'll fully rescan the folders. > I don't want to do a blanket purge of Evolution's cache, as I find > some of my (in Evolution) screen settings disappear. Settings as such are not part of the ~/.cache/, those are in GSettings (D-Conf) and in ~/.config/ by default. More on that here: https://help.gnome.org/users/evolution/stable/data-storage.html Bye, Milan ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Folder confusion
On Tue, 2021-01-19 at 06:05 +0100, Ralf Mardorf via evolution-list wrote: > On Tue, 2021-01-19 at 04:22 +, Douglas Summers wrote: > > I had to use sudo because they wouldn't close > > Did you try to SIGTERM or to SIGKILL the processes? > > ps aux --forest > > might provide a pointer > > My setup allows to get rid of all processes by either running > > evolution -q > pkill evolution > > or by running > > evolution --force-shutdown > > So a simple SIGTERM does the trick for my setup. Depending on your > setup, it might not be that easy, but if it fails even with a SIGKILL, > then "sudo" is still not the way to go. If you can't kill the processes > or if thy should get automatically restarted, there's probably a good > reason for this behaviour. > I'll give these suggestions a try if it happens again; thanks for the help. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Folder confusion
On Tue, 2021-01-19 at 04:22 +, Douglas Summers wrote: > I had to use sudo because they wouldn't close Did you try to SIGTERM or to SIGKILL the processes? ps aux --forest might provide a pointer My setup allows to get rid of all processes by either running evolution -q pkill evolution or by running evolution --force-shutdown So a simple SIGTERM does the trick for my setup. Depending on your setup, it might not be that easy, but if it fails even with a SIGKILL, then "sudo" is still not the way to go. If you can't kill the processes or if thy should get automatically restarted, there's probably a good reason for this behaviour. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Folder confusion
On Tue, 2021-01-19 at 05:35 +0100, Ralf Mardorf via evolution-list wrote: > On Tue, 2021-01-19 at 03:59 +, Douglas Summers wrote: > > xfce4-session kept core-dumping, even when I logged in from the CTRL- > > ALT-F1 console as root! > > While it is quite possible to run desktop environment sessions with root > privileges, it might be, that it is prevented by default settings of a > distro or a desktop environment. If you should tend to do chaotic things > with root privileges, you likely suffer from a permissions issue. Maybe > files required by a user session can't be accessed anymore without root > privileges. It's easy to run in privilege issues for files such as > /run/user/*/dconf/user. > I think you misread my message. I never login with root using XFCE, only via sudo or the CTRL-ALT-F1 console (which is what I did) and only because I was trying to avoid XFCE from crashing while I troubleshot this problem. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Folder confusion
On Tue, 2021-01-19 at 03:59 +, Douglas Summers wrote: > xfce4-session kept core-dumping, even when I logged in from the CTRL- > ALT-F1 console as root! While it is quite possible to run desktop environment sessions with root privileges, it might be, that it is prevented by default settings of a distro or a desktop environment. If you should tend to do chaotic things with root privileges, you likely suffer from a permissions issue. Maybe files required by a user session can't be accessed anymore without root privileges. It's easy to run in privilege issues for files such as /run/user/*/dconf/user. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Folder confusion
On Tue, 2021-01-19 at 05:18 +0100, Ralf Mardorf via evolution-list wrote: > On Tue, 2021-01-19 at 03:35 +, Douglas Summers wrote: > In a panic, I tried to restart Evolution, but every time I tried to > > kill some of the leftover processes, my system would log me off after > > entering my sudo password. > > IIUC you closed Evolution. After that you used "sudo" to kill some > remaining processes using a kill command, such as maybe "pkill". > > What processes did you kill? How did you kill the processes? Did you use > a regular expression to kill remaining processes? Why do you need to use > "sudo"? > These were the processes left after closing Evolution: /usr/libexec/evolution-source-registry /usr/libexec/evolution-calendar-factory /usr/libexec/evolution-addressbook-factory I had to use sudo because they wouldn't close with my account (even though I was shown as the process owner), although after I was dumped the processes became owned by root. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Folder confusion
On Tue, 2021-01-19 at 03:35 +, Douglas Summers wrote: In a panic, I tried to restart Evolution, but every time I tried to > kill some of the leftover processes, my system would log me off after > entering my sudo password. IIUC you closed Evolution. After that you used "sudo" to kill some remaining processes using a kill command, such as maybe "pkill". What processes did you kill? How did you kill the processes? Did you use a regular expression to kill remaining processes? Why do you need to use "sudo"? ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Folder confusion
On Tue, 2021-01-19 at 03:35 +, Douglas Summers via evolution-list wrote: > [LM 20.1, Evolution 3.36.4, Hotmail via EWS] > > Something really strange happened to one of my folders on Outlook. I > tried > to move a sub-folder to the top-level...and it just vanished! In a > panic, > I tried to restart Evolution, but every time I tried to kill some of the > leftover processes, my system would log me off after entering my sudo > password. After rebooting, I logged into my email account via browser > and > it was there, right where I'd put it. However, Evolution has no idea > where > it is. > > If I need to purge some files, please let me know which. I don't want to > do a blanket purge of Evolution's cache, as I find some of my (in > Evolution) screen settings disappear. > As a test, I renamed $HOME/.cache/evolution and let it rebuild itself; so far, so good, only lost my Calendar colors AFAIK. The worst part was the crashing after killing the Evolution processes - xfce4-session kept core- dumping, even when I logged in from the CTRL-ALT-F1 console as root! ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
[Evolution] Folder confusion
[LM 20.1, Evolution 3.36.4, Hotmail via EWS] Something really strange happened to one of my folders on Outlook. I tried to move a sub-folder to the top-level...and it just vanished! In a panic, I tried to restart Evolution, but every time I tried to kill some of the leftover processes, my system would log me off after entering my sudo password. After rebooting, I logged into my email account via browser and it was there, right where I'd put it. However, Evolution has no idea where it is. If I need to purge some files, please let me know which. I don't want to do a blanket purge of Evolution's cache, as I find some of my (in Evolution) screen settings disappear. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
