Re: [Evolution] Inbox too large
On Tue, 2009-09-29 at 14:47 -0700, anders70 wrote: Rename Inbox to e.g. Inbox_old (in case you need to rescue more) Hi, you can shorten the Inbox by lines you just moved to the Rescue file, and save all your emails. Also, I wonder whether you have there only live messages, or deleted too. As the Expunge on the folder should shorten the file even more (but the split is necessary anyway). Bye, Milan ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Inbox too large
On Tue, 29 Sep 2009, anders70 wrote: Apparantly, Evolution does not actually remove messages from the inbox file, Wow, I thought I was the only one with this problem. I've been opening up pine (!!!) once or twice a month to expunge all the email messages that evolution has been flagging as deleted... ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Inbox too large
On Thu, 2009-10-01 at 07:36 -0400, Benjamin L. May wrote: On Tue, 29 Sep 2009, anders70 wrote: Apparantly, Evolution does not actually remove messages from the inbox file, Wow, I thought I was the only one with this problem. I've been opening up pine (!!!) once or twice a month to expunge all the email messages that evolution has been flagging as deleted... Are you saying that Expunge or Empty Trash doesn't work for you in Evo? Are the deleted messages visible if you untick Hide Deleted Messages? P. ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Inbox too large
Apparantly, Evolution does not actually remove messages from the inbox file, Wow, I thought I was the only one with this problem. I've been opening up pine (!!!) once or twice a month to expunge all the email messages that evolution has been flagging as deleted... ? Ctrl-E doesn't work? ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Inbox too large
The 'interesting' point is, that the older emails in the top part of the Inbox had already been moved to other subfolder a long time ago, without actually beeing deleted from the Inbox file. So I didn't loose anything by trimming the top off the Inbox file. I supposed that moving a message, actually first copies it, and then deletes the original. So logically, I assumed that the messages I have moved out of the Inbox, was removed from the Inbox file. Now I have realized that I should have used the 'Expunge' function after moving mails out of the Inbox, in order to ensure they are actually removed from the Inbox file. So hopefully I will not need the workaround of splitting/trimming the Inbox file again. Some sort of warning/reminder that the Inbox file is reaching a a ridiculous size might be nice in future versions, along with an advice to use the Expunge function :-) -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Inbox-too-large-tp3619591p25695262.html Sent from the Gnome Evolution - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Inbox too large
On Thu, 2009-10-01 at 13:25 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote: On Thu, 2009-10-01 at 02:00 -0700, anders70 wrote: Now I have realized that I should have used the 'Expunge' function after moving mails out of the Inbox, in order to ensure they are actually removed from the Inbox file. I would strongly advise everyone to turn off the Hide Deleted Messages function - at least then you can see what is happening. Ditto; hide delete is a mis-feature [required by that set of users who completely refuse to use e-mail correctly]. The best advice is not to use it, that way you are visually encouraged to perform Ctrl-E at logical intervals. Some sort of warning/reminder that the Inbox file is reaching a a ridiculous size might be nice in future versions, along with an advice to use the Expunge function :-) It depends what you mean by a ridiculous size! Some people get stressed if they have a inbox with more than a couple of messages in it! Others keep their whole life in it - and get really, really stressed if you even hint that they might have to reduce the size of their 2Gb inbox with 40,000 messages in it. I've got one mailbox with 400,000 messages! :) ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Inbox too large
On Thu, 2009-10-01 at 07:36 -0400, Benjamin L. May wrote: On Tue, 29 Sep 2009, anders70 wrote: Apparantly, Evolution does not actually remove messages from the inbox file, Wow, I thought I was the only one with this problem. I've been opening up pine (!!!) once or twice a month to expunge all the email messages that evolution has been flagging as deleted... http://www.go-evolution.org/FAQ#I_deleted_a_bunch_of_mail_but_my_mailbox_is_just_as_big_as_before._Why.3F poc ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Inbox too large
On Thu, 2009-10-01 at 02:00 -0700, anders70 wrote: The 'interesting' point is, that the older emails in the top part of the Inbox had already been moved to other subfolder a long time ago, without actually beeing deleted from the Inbox file. As has had been said many (*many* :-) times here, IMAP doesn't have a Move operation, it only has Copy and Delete. Given that Delete means mark for deletion, expecting that the user will do an Expunge at some time in the future, this explains why you still have old messages hanging around. Note that for consistency Evo uses this mechanism even when the folder is not on an IMAP server (Exchange may be different, I wouldn't know). Get used to running Folder-Expunge (Ctrl-E) or File-Empty Trash once in a while. The former is per-folder, the latter is per-account. You can also set a Edit-Mail Preferences option to Expunge (Empty Trash Folders) when quitting Evo. poc ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Inbox too large
On Thu, 2009-10-01 at 09:13 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Thu, 2009-10-01 at 08:33 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: I would strongly advise everyone to turn off the Hide Deleted Messages function - at least then you can see what is happening. Ditto; hide delete is a mis-feature [required by that set of users who completely refuse to use e-mail correctly]. The best advice is not to use it, that way you are visually encouraged to perform Ctrl-E at logical intervals. This may be good advice for beginners, but I use Hide Deleted so I can see more real messages in one go. In what way am I refusing to use e-mail correctly? Perhaps a visual cue such as a colour change in the folder's name would be useful, to indicate folders with deleted messages in them. Maybe a visual cue only when there are more than X deleted message (or more than Y Mb of deleted messages), to exhort the user to expunge the folder. Xav ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Inbox too large
On Thu, 2009-10-01 at 09:09 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Thu, 2009-10-01 at 02:00 -0700, anders70 wrote: The 'interesting' point is, that the older emails in the top part of the Inbox had already been moved to other subfolder a long time ago, without actually beeing deleted from the Inbox file. As has had been said many (*many* :-) times here, IMAP doesn't have a Move operation, it only has Copy and Delete. Given that Delete means mark for deletion, expecting that the user will do an Expunge at some time in the future, this explains why you still have old messages hanging around. Note that for consistency Evo uses this mechanism even when the folder is not on an IMAP server (Exchange may be different, I wouldn't know). Get used to running Folder-Expunge (Ctrl-E) or File-Empty Trash once in a while. The former is per-folder, the latter is per-account. You can also set a Edit-Mail Preferences option to Expunge (Empty Trash Folders) when quitting Evo. poc Note that File-Empty Trash does not expunge maildir folders. A CTRL-E in maildir folders is required until this is remedied ( i am assuming that Empty Trash should include maildir folders ). ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Inbox too large
On Thu, 2009-10-01 at 15:58 +0200, Xavier Bestel wrote: On Thu, 2009-10-01 at 09:13 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Thu, 2009-10-01 at 08:33 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: I would strongly advise everyone to turn off the Hide Deleted Messages function - at least then you can see what is happening. Ditto; hide delete is a mis-feature [required by that set of users who completely refuse to use e-mail correctly]. The best advice is not to use it, that way you are visually encouraged to perform Ctrl-E at logical intervals. This may be good advice for beginners, but I use Hide Deleted so I can see more real messages in one go. In what way am I refusing to use e-mail correctly? Perhaps a visual cue such as a colour change in the folder's name would be useful, to indicate folders with deleted messages in them. Maybe a visual cue only when there are more than X deleted message (or more than Y Mb of deleted messages), to exhort the user to expunge the folder. Sure, with a configurable preference option. poc ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Inbox too large
On Thu, 2009-10-01 at 15:58 +0200, Xavier Bestel wrote: On Thu, 2009-10-01 at 09:13 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Thu, 2009-10-01 at 08:33 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: I would strongly advise everyone to turn off the Hide Deleted Messages function - at least then you can see what is happening. Ditto; hide delete is a mis-feature [required by that set of users who completely refuse to use e-mail correctly]. The best advice is not to use it, that way you are visually encouraged to perform Ctrl-E at logical intervals. This may be good advice for beginners, but I use Hide Deleted so I can see more real messages in one go. In what way am I refusing to use e-mail correctly? Perhaps a visual cue such as a colour change in the folder's name would be useful, to indicate folders with deleted messages in them. Maybe a visual cue only when there are more than X deleted message (or more than Y Mb of deleted messages), to exhort the user to expunge the folder. OK, I created a BZ report: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=597055 Feel free to add comments. poc ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Inbox too large
Apparantly, Evolution does not actually remove messages from the inbox file, when asked to move messages to another folder. I just realized that my inbox file contains messages from many years back, even though i (try to) embty my inbox every summer and christmas break. Hence, I also just ran into the 2 GB limit. I developed the following workaround: Ask evolution to create a new folder, called e.g. Rescue Evolution will (among other things) create an empty file: .evolution/mail/local/Rescue (which will be empty) Quit Evolution copy a suitable chunk of the end of the Inbox file to the file Rescue, making sure that the first line copied will be the start of an email. that is, the first line copied should be a: From ... field. I used the shell command: tail -n xxx Inbox Rescue to achieve this. The trick is to find the right value for xxx (which is the number of lines from the end of Inbox, that will be copied). xxx must be chosen so that the first line copied is the beginning of the oldest e-mail you want to rescue from the Inbox. I started by guessing a number for xxx (e.g. 4,000,000) Then I looked at the result with less Resuce. I then searched for the first instance of Jul 2009 as i wanted to rescue mails as old as this. Then I seached for the first following instance of From, which gave me the beginning of a mail receiven in July 2009. I noted the line number: yyy, and computed a new value for xxx, as xxx= 4,000,000 - yyy +1. Running tail -n xxx Inbox Rescue again, then copied all my messages, starting from the chosen one, to the Rescue file. Rename Inbox to e.g. Inbox_old (in case you need to rescue more) Start evolution Go to the Rescue folder Evolution will complain, but copy the messages in the Rescue mailbox into it's internal format, making the rescued mails accessible once again. Evolution will also create a new (empty) Inbox ... as there is no longer a file called Inbox Move all the messages from Rescue to the new Inbox if you like. And you should be back in business. - it worked for me Good luck. markybob wrote: Evolution has stopped being able to receive new emails. When I try to fetch new mail (pop3), I receive this error message: Error while Feching Mail. Cannot append message to mbox file: /home/markybob/.evolution/mail/local/Inbox: File too large ls -lh on the file shows that it is 2.0G in size. What can I do short of deleting emails? Thanks! ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Inbox-too-large-tp3619591p25671534.html Sent from the Gnome Evolution - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Inbox too large
On Mon, 2006-03-27 at 22:01 -0600, Mark Pinto wrote: Kernel 2.6.8. glibc 2.3.6. I'm convinced that it's an evolution issue (2.4, but I tested and have the same problem on 2.6), as I have 2+G files on this computer that are handled fine. You're not doing what was asked. Did you make sure you've expunged the Inbox Folder after you moved the emails from the INBOX to the yearly folder? ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Inbox too large
On Mon, 2006-03-27 at 22:01 -0600, Mark Pinto wrote: Kernel 2.6.8. glibc 2.3.6. I'm convinced that it's an evolution issue (2.4, but I tested and have the same problem on 2.6), as I have 2+G files on this computer that are handled fine. Evo 2.4.2.1 *definitely* has 2GB file size issues. Attached is the error message I get while trying to attach a 2.5GB file. So, it's quite reasonable to expect that Evo has other small-file bugs in it's code base. On 3/27/06, Greg Tassone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2006-03-27 at 20:06 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On Mon, 2006-03-27 at 16:48 -0800, Greg Tassone wrote: ... The other problem could be that your system is missing large file support. How old is your kernel? LFS came in during the *early* 2.4 kernels. *Nobody* (except a few m68k retro-geeks, and they mostly use 2.4.2x) uses such old kernels and glibc/libc6 anymore. Agreed. This is compounded by the fact that XFS support probably indicates a later version as well. However, history around this list has taught me to NEVER take anything for granted. I can't believe how old some of the stuff is that we hear about on this list (e.g., VERY old RedHat Linux installs, very old versions of Evo, old kernels, etc.). Therefore, I decided to at least ask the question, given the somewhat strange/rare circumstances of the error. -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA The warning message we sent the Russians was a calculated ambiguity that would be clearly understood. Alexander Haig ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
[Evolution] Inbox too large
Evolution has stopped being able to receive new emails. When I try to fetch new mail (pop3), I receive this error message: Error while Feching Mail. Cannot append message to mbox file: /home/markybob/.evolution/mail/local/Inbox: File too large ls -lh on the file shows that it is 2.0G in size. What can I do short of deleting emails? Thanks! ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Inbox too large
Can you create new folders and move old messages there? It's better to have things organized by topic, but that is labor intensive. Because I haven't got time, I've got folders named 2003, 2004, 2005. - Stephen On Mon, 2006-03-27 at 16:26 -0600, Mark Pinto wrote: Evolution has stopped being able to receive new emails. When I try to fetch new mail (pop3), I receive this error message: Error while Feching Mail. Cannot append message to mbox file: /home/markybob/.evolution/mail/local/Inbox: File too large ls -lh on the file shows that it is 2.0G in size. What can I do short of deleting emails? Thanks! ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Inbox too large
On Mon, Mar 27, 2006 at 04:26:22PM -0600, Mark Pinto wrote: Evolution has stopped being able to receive new emails. When I try to fetch new mail (pop3), I receive this error message: Error while Feching Mail. Cannot append message to mbox file: /home/markybob/.evolution/mail/local/Inbox: File too large ls -lh on the file shows that it is 2.0G in size. What can I do short of deleting emails? This sounds like a filesystem issue. You're most likely storing your mbox file on a FAT32 or an older ext2 filesystem. While you could probably fix this by moving the mbox to a different filesystem, what you really SHOULD do is cut down on how much stuff you have in that mbox. Having a 2GB+ mbox file means that EVERY time you go to open up your mail reader, it has to open a 2 GB file and read every single line in it to get the list of emails. This is EXTREMELY inefficient. You should either switch to a file-per-email system (ala maildir) or use different folders as suggested by another poster. -- Alex Malinovich Support Free Software, delete your Windows partition TODAY! Encrypted mail preferred. You can get my public key from any of the pgp.net keyservers. Key ID: A6D24837 signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Inbox too large
The filesystem is XFS, so that's certainly not a problem. I created yearly folders under On This Computer and moved them from Inbox, but somehow the size of the file did not shrink. On 3/27/06, Alex Malinovich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Mar 27, 2006 at 04:26:22PM -0600, Mark Pinto wrote: Evolution has stopped being able to receive new emails. When I try to fetch new mail (pop3), I receive this error message: Error while Feching Mail. Cannot append message to mbox file: /home/markybob/.evolution/mail/local/Inbox: File too large ls -lh on the file shows that it is 2.0G in size. What can I do short of deleting emails? This sounds like a filesystem issue. You're most likely storing your mbox file on a FAT32 or an older ext2 filesystem. While you could probably fix this by moving the mbox to a different filesystem, what you really SHOULD do is cut down on how much stuff you have in that mbox. Having a 2GB+ mbox file means that EVERY time you go to open up your mail reader, it has to open a 2 GB file and read every single line in it to get the list of emails. This is EXTREMELY inefficient. You should either switch to a file-per-email system (ala maildir) or use different folders as suggested by another poster. -- Alex Malinovich Support Free Software, delete your Windows partition TODAY! Encrypted mail preferred. You can get my public key from any of the pgp.net keyservers. Key ID: A6D24837 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEKGiGBPYwh6bSSDcRAvUGAJ9VYgipjvYggWoRXV3WcYmT11LGNwCeJOFL 4QoqJNy8z9WBc8qdHo9jiFg= =4lzS -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Inbox too large
On Mon, 2006-03-27 at 16:38 -0600, Mark Pinto wrote: The filesystem is XFS, so that's certainly not a problem. I created yearly folders under On This Computer and moved them from Inbox, but somehow the size of the file did not shrink. Empty the trash. Or Expunge. Depends on which version of Evo you are using. -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA The President has kept all the promises he intended to keep. George Stephanopolous ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Inbox too large
On Mon, 2006-03-27 at 17:26 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On Mon, 2006-03-27 at 16:38 -0600, Mark Pinto wrote: The filesystem is XFS, so that's certainly not a problem. I created yearly folders under On This Computer and moved them from Inbox, but somehow the size of the file did not shrink. Empty the trash. Or Expunge. Depends on which version of Evo you are using. The other problem could be that your system is missing large file support. How old is your kernel? signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Inbox too large
On Mon, 2006-03-27 at 16:48 -0800, Greg Tassone wrote: On Mon, 2006-03-27 at 17:26 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On Mon, 2006-03-27 at 16:38 -0600, Mark Pinto wrote: The filesystem is XFS, so that's certainly not a problem. I created yearly folders under On This Computer and moved them from Inbox, but somehow the size of the file did not shrink. Empty the trash. Or Expunge. Depends on which version of Evo you are using. The other problem could be that your system is missing large file support. How old is your kernel? LFS came in during the *early* 2.4 kernels. *Nobody* (except a few m68k retro-geeks, and they mostly use 2.4.2x) uses such old kernels and glibc/libc6 anymore. -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA python -c 'print len(str(2**30))' 90309 ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Inbox too large
Kernel 2.6.8. glibc 2.3.6. I'm convinced that it's an evolution issue (2.4, but I tested and have the same problem on 2.6), as I have 2+G files on this computer that are handled fine. On 3/27/06, Greg Tassone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2006-03-27 at 20:06 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On Mon, 2006-03-27 at 16:48 -0800, Greg Tassone wrote: ... The other problem could be that your system is missing large file support. How old is your kernel? LFS came in during the *early* 2.4 kernels. *Nobody* (except a few m68k retro-geeks, and they mostly use 2.4.2x) uses such old kernels and glibc/libc6 anymore. Agreed. This is compounded by the fact that XFS support probably indicates a later version as well. However, history around this list has taught me to NEVER take anything for granted. I can't believe how old some of the stuff is that we hear about on this list (e.g., VERY old RedHat Linux installs, very old versions of Evo, old kernels, etc.). Therefore, I decided to at least ask the question, given the somewhat strange/rare circumstances of the error. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBEKKTaaI3pdOrDO40RAo8gAKDuRps0G0siCIjch7aV3dIHjIfVhACgoTi1 p6mlt6aqD+EuBWc1SRXxnuo= =iao9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
