[Evolution] New mailing list reminder

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

This is just a head's up that the new list is now available for
subscription, see:

https://mail.gnome.org/archives/evolution-list/2022-November/msg00181.html

We've had some sign-ups in the last day or so but most people still
haven't bothered. It's important to know that when this (OLD) list is
shut down, it could happen without warning. It's not under our control,
and we've been told that once it happens any posts here will simply
bounce. Of course if we get an update on this we will post it.

Due to the uncertainty, I'm going enable posting to the NEW list as of
now. Once again, please do *not* cross-post to both lists.

poc
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Re: [Evolution] New Mailing List

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Mon, 2022-11-21 at 20:03 +0100, Milan Crha via evolution-list wrote:
> On Mon, 2022-11-21 at 12:20 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > The new list information page can be found at:
> > 
> > https://lists.osuosl.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-users
> 
> Hi,
> I updated the Wiki page:
> https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Evolution#Online_Support
> 
> and added the evolution-users list to the user documentation:
> https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/evolution/-/commit/ded1ecd696f83b31cd33a431afac2da336a93906
> 
> It will be shown in 3.47.1 and later versions, thus released as part
> of
> the 3.48.0 stable series.
> 
> There are still places where the old list is mentioned (like the
> previous versions, in long term support distros and so on), but
> there's
> nothing I can do about it.

Thanks Milan.

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Re: [Evolution] New Mailing List

[Milan Crha via evolution-list]

On Mon, 2022-11-21 at 12:20 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> The new list information page can be found at:
> 
> https://lists.osuosl.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-users

Hi,
I updated the Wiki page:
https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Evolution#Online_Support

and added the evolution-users list to the user documentation:
https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/evolution/-/commit/ded1ecd696f83b31cd33a431afac2da336a93906

It will be shown in 3.47.1 and later versions, thus released as part of
the 3.48.0 stable series.

There are still places where the old list is mentioned (like the
previous versions, in long term support distros and so on), but there's
nothing I can do about it.

Thanks and bye,
Milan

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[Evolution] New Mailing List

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

As most of you will be aware, the GNOME Project has announced that its
mailing lists, including this one, are to be transitioned from the
Mailman system to a Discourse (web-based) forum.

The new forum has already been set up and can be found at:

https://discourse.gnome.org/tag/evolution

Note that Discourse does support a mailing list based access method,
but that isn't its main focus. so for those of us who prefer a more
traditional mailing list along the current model, we (the moderators,
with input from Milan) have asked the Oregon State University Open
Systems Lab (OSUOSL) to host a new list for Evolution users, and they
have agreed.

The new list information page can be found at:

https://lists.osuosl.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-users

We'll refer to these various instances as follows:
OLD: the current list (evolution-list@gnome.org)
NEW: the new list (evolution-us...@lists.osuosl.org)
DIS: the new Discourse instance (see above)

Some points to note:

 * Users can subscribe to the NEW list from now, but for the time being
   posts will be held (deferred) until nearer the time the OLD list is
   shut down. This is to enable a smoother transition of the archive,
   hopefully without loss of data. 
 * Membership of the NEW list is entirely voluntary. We decided not to
   auto-subscribe anyone, so if you're interested, you need to do this
   yourself (see the NEW list page above). The NEW list has uploaded
   the existing archives from the OLD list.
 * At some point in the next few days, mail to the OLD list will start
to bounce. It's currently unclear if we'll get a warning before this
happens.
* In the interests of continuity, we encourage people to keep the same
email address on the NEW list as they used on the OLD one.
 * You can of course subscribe to DIS as well as NEW, but please DO NOT
   CROSS-POST between any of these lists. Cross-posting has a lot of
   potential for confusion as replies will by default also be cross
   posted, often leading to incomplete threads on one or more forums.
   If you want to post something in more than one place, choose one
   primary and then refer to it by URL in the other places.

Thanks to all who collaborated on this, especially Lance Albertson of
OSUOSL who has been indispensable in getting this to work.

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Re: [Evolution] New mailing list

[Adam Tauno Williams]

On Sun, 2022-10-23 at 13:16 -0400, Paul Smith wrote:
> As problematic as the Discourse email support is, I think I'd prefer
> itto groups.io.  Maybe my experience is an outlier.

I agree, and I'd go over to Discourse if I could but ...

"""Your account associated with this email address has been silenced."""

And nothing on my account page, etc... indicates anything about this
status.  There's nothing I can do.

I have a two year old message saying I can't use e-mail until it is
"reviewed by staff".

I love Evolution & GNOME, use it all day every day, have since the days
of Ximian, will continue to do so . . . but if this is what
participation is then it isn't worth the hassle.

-- 
Adam Tauno Williams  GPG D95ED383

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Re: [Evolution] New mailing list

[Steve Litt]

Bret Busby said on Mon, 24 Oct 2022 00:51:04 +0800

>Hello.
>
>For those who are interested, see
>https://groups.io/g/evolution-users
>
>It is now, up to you to decide what you want to do.

I signed up successfully, but when I sent my first message, this
happened:


:
173.255.221.194 failed after I sent the message.
Remote host said: 500 Your account is bouncing. Please visit the web
site to unbounce your account.


SteveT

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Re: [Evolution] New mailing list

[Matt Connell]

On Mon, 2022-10-24 at 00:51 +0800, Bret Busby wrote:
> It is now, up to you to decide what you want to do.

Joined, if for no other reason than to stay in touch if the curtain
drops before some other (semi)permanent solution is in place.
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Re: [Evolution] New mailing list

[Mr. J]

I registered with the link in Bret's message and it worked.  Thank
you.

IJ

On Mon, 2022-10-24 at 02:41 +0800, Bret Busby wrote:
> On 24/10/22 01:18, Ralf Mardorf via evolution-list wrote:
> > On Mon, 2022-10-24 at 00:51 +0800, Bret Busby wrote:
> > > https://groups.io/g/evolution-users
> > > 
> > 
> > Thank you Bret,
> > 
> > I tied subscribing several times with silver.bullet at zoho.com by
> > the
> > groups.io website and one time by email. Until now I didn't
> > receive a
> > confirmation email. I checked the spam folder by the ISP's web
> > interface, but it's empty.
> > 
> > I'll wait a little bit longer and if necessary try to sign up with
> > another email address.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Ralf
> > 
> 
> Hello, Ralf.
> 
> The subscribing by replying to the invitation that I sent, appears
> to 
> have worked, so, if anyone else has any difficulty subscribing, send
> me 
> an email message, and, I will send an invitation, to try that, as a 
> means to subscribe.
> 
> ..
> Bret Busby
> Armadale
> West Australia
> (UTC+0800)
> ..
> 
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Re: [Evolution] New mailing list

[Brewster Gillett]

On Sun, 2022-10-23 at 19:09 +0200, Luna Jernberg via evolution-list wrote:
> Signed up

Me too.

Brewster



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Re: [Evolution] New mailing list

[Francisco de A. Pineda via evolution-list]

Set up new account. Lets see how it works (or not).
Cheers.

-Mensaje original-
De: Bret Busby 
Para: evolution-list@gnome.org
Asunto: [Evolution] New mailing list
Fecha: Mon, 24 Oct 2022 00:51:04 +0800

Hello.
For those who are interested, seehttps://groups.io/g/evolution-users

It is now, up to you to decide what you want to do.
..Bret BusbyArmadaleWest Australia(UTC+0800)..

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Re: [Evolution] New mailing list

[Ralf Mardorf via evolution-list]

On Mon, 2022-10-24 at 02:41 +0800, Bret Busby wrote:
> subscribing by replying to the invitation that I sent, appears to 
> have worked

Yes!
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Re: [Evolution] New mailing list

[Bret Busby]

On 24/10/22 01:18, Ralf Mardorf via evolution-list wrote:

On Mon, 2022-10-24 at 00:51 +0800, Bret Busby wrote:

https://groups.io/g/evolution-users



Thank you Bret,

I tied subscribing several times with silver.bullet at zoho.com by the
groups.io website and one time by email. Until now I didn't receive a
confirmation email. I checked the spam folder by the ISP's web
interface, but it's empty.

I'll wait a little bit longer and if necessary try to sign up with
another email address.

Regards,
Ralf



Hello, Ralf.

The subscribing by replying to the invitation that I sent, appears to 
have worked, so, if anyone else has any difficulty subscribing, send me 
an email message, and, I will send an invitation, to try that, as a 
means to subscribe.


..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..


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Re: [Evolution] New mailing list

[Ralf Mardorf via evolution-list]

On Sun, 2022-10-23 at 13:16 -0400, Paul Smith wrote:
> I have no problems with people signing up to whatever they want, of
> course, but [snip]

Hi,

I can't comment on groups.io and I dislike the idea of an unofficial
mailing list. When Bret asked me off-list, if he should set up this list
for Evolution, I replied that IMO it will be very helpful to have such a
mailing list. It at least is good as a transitional solution. Keep in
mind that evolution-list@gnome.org does only exist for another week.
After this week we (those who will not use Discourse) need something to
stay in contact, to find a solution.

Regards,
Ralf


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Re: [Evolution] New mailing list

[Ralf Mardorf via evolution-list]

On Mon, 2022-10-24 at 00:51 +0800, Bret Busby wrote:
> https://groups.io/g/evolution-users
> 

Thank you Bret,

I tied subscribing several times with silver.bullet at zoho.com by the
groups.io website and one time by email. Until now I didn't receive a
confirmation email. I checked the spam folder by the ISP's web
interface, but it's empty.

I'll wait a little bit longer and if necessary try to sign up with
another email address.

Regards,
Ralf

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Re: [Evolution] New mailing list

[Paul Smith]

On Mon, 2022-10-24 at 00:51 +0800, Bret Busby wrote:
> For those who are interested, see
> https://groups.io/g/evolution-users
> 
> It is now, up to you to decide what you want to do.

I have no problems with people signing up to whatever they want, of
course, but I have to say that I'm on one or two other groups.io lists
and IMO it's not great.  Messages arrive out of order, sometimes they
never arrive (I get replies to messages I never saw), and often they
take a very long time to arrive (compared to when they were sent). 
And, the threading is often all broken (although some of that can be
attributed to the other people on the list: they are local neighborhood
lists and there are lots of non-technical people who know nothing about
the correct way to manage email, and are using really terrible mail
software).

As problematic as the Discourse email support is, I think I'd prefer it
to groups.io.  Maybe my experience is an outlier.

I don't personally care about all the wingdings on Discourse since I
don't plan to ever use the website.  They can add all the badges and
nonsense they want.  I got promoted a level (I assume to level 1) just
by visiting for a couple of days in a row (to mess with my config) and
reading a few threads (to ensure I was getting the messages I wanted).
I didn't have to "like" anything or use any emojis or anything like
that.  And I don't see much benefit in trying for more than that.


I do believe that this move will result in a decrease in the usefulness
and amount of discussion.  It would be very interesting to come back in
6 or 12 months and compare the traffic to the current list versus the
traffic in Evolution tag on Discourse; I hope someone does that check.
Maybe it will be a net benefit, as people are more able to find and
interact with the Discourse site.  But my suspicion is it won't be.
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Re: [Evolution] New mailing list

[Luna Jernberg via evolution-list]

Signed up

On Sun, Oct 23, 2022 at 6:51 PM Bret Busby  wrote:
>
> Hello.
>
> For those who are interested, see
> https://groups.io/g/evolution-users
>
> It is now, up to you to decide what you want to do.
>
> ..
> Bret Busby
> Armadale
> West Australia
> (UTC+0800)
> ..
>
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[Evolution] New mailing list

[Bret Busby]

Hello.

For those who are interested, see
https://groups.io/g/evolution-users

It is now, up to you to decide what you want to do.

..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..


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