Re: [Evolution] Problem with character encoding?
On 17.02.2017 23:21, Pete Biggs wrote: > The other thing I noticed is that you are using an Exchange server. How > are you connecting to it? Is TB using the same method? > No, I am using EWS for Evolution and ExQuilla for Thunderbird. But ExQuilla is an EWS plugin for Thunderbird, so they are both using the same mechanism for retrieving the mails. (It's not beyond belief that Exchange could present subtly different message content between EWS and IMAP!) P. Yes, you are of course right, they are both using EWS... BTJ ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Problem with character encoding?
> > The other thing I noticed is that you are using an Exchange server. How > > are you connecting to it? Is TB using the same method? > > > > No, I am using EWS for Evolution and ExQuilla for Thunderbird. But ExQuilla is an EWS plugin for Thunderbird, so they are both using the same mechanism for retrieving the mails. (It's not beyond belief that Exchange could present subtly different message content between EWS and IMAP!) P. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Problem with character encoding?
On 17.02.2017 14:54, Zan Lynx wrote: On 2/17/2017 5:17 AM, Pete Biggs wrote: Yes, if I choose ISO-8859-1 instead of default, which is UTF-8, then everything looks ok except for the subject.. Could you show us the source of the message - removing any personal information of course. We would need to see the mime structure of the message and any headers relating to character encoding. So it's better but not 100%. Also, shouldn't Evolution figure this out by itself or? (at least since Thunderbird does..) Well Thunderbird is Thunderbird and Evolution isn't! It could be down to assumptions that TB makes that Evo doesn't or some error in the mime structure that TB accepts but Evo doesn't. Thunderbird has a "Fallback Encoding" which is set per folder. You can right-click on a folder and change it in Properties. If the message specifies an encoding, that takes over unless you change it in View. You can also go into Options, Display, Formatting, Advanced, and change the defaults there. Unicode UTF-8 has been the default sender encoding in Thunderbird for a while. So the differences are just because Evolution is defaulting to UTF-8 and Thunderbird to ISO-8859-1 for messages that don't specify their encoding. A quick Google shows this for changing it in Evolution: https://help.gnome.org/users/evolution/stable/mail-displaying-character-encodings.html.en Thx for the explanation, did not know that. BTJ ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Problem with character encoding?
On 17.02.2017 13:55, Pete Biggs wrote: The other thing I noticed is that you are using an Exchange server. How are you connecting to it? Is TB using the same method? No, I am using EWS for Evolution and ExQuilla for Thunderbird. But thx for checking it out.. BTJ ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Problem with character encoding?
> Thunderbird has a "Fallback Encoding" which is set per folder. You can > right-click on a folder and change it in Properties. > > If the message specifies an encoding, that takes over unless you change > it in View. You can also go into Options, Display, Formatting, Advanced, > and change the defaults there. Unicode UTF-8 has been the default sender > encoding in Thunderbird for a while. > > So the differences are just because Evolution is defaulting to UTF-8 and > Thunderbird to ISO-8859-1 for messages that don't specify their encoding. > > A quick Google shows this for changing it in Evolution: > https://help.gnome.org/users/evolution/stable/mail-displaying-character-encodings.html.en > That would be the same as Help -> Contents -> Mail Management -> Display of a Message -> Character Encodings within Evolution. P. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Problem with character encoding?
On fr., 2017-02-17 at 06:54 -0700, Zan Lynx wrote: > On 2/17/2017 5:17 AM, Pete Biggs wrote: > > > > > > > > Yes, if I choose ISO-8859-1 instead of default, which is UTF-8, > > > then > > > everything looks ok except for the subject.. > > Could you show us the source of the message - removing any personal > > information of course. We would need to see the mime structure of > > the > > message and any headers relating to character encoding. > > > > > > > > So it's better but not 100%. Also, shouldn't Evolution figure > > > this > > > out by itself or? (at least since Thunderbird does..) > > Well Thunderbird is Thunderbird and Evolution isn't! It could be > > down > > to assumptions that TB makes that Evo doesn't or some error in the > > mime > > structure that TB accepts but Evo doesn't. > > > Thunderbird has a "Fallback Encoding" which is set per folder. You > can > right-click on a folder and change it in Properties. > > If the message specifies an encoding, that takes over unless you > change > it in View. You can also go into Options, Display, Formatting, > Advanced, > and change the defaults there. Unicode UTF-8 has been the default > sender > encoding in Thunderbird for a while. > > So the differences are just because Evolution is defaulting to UTF-8 > and > Thunderbird to ISO-8859-1 for messages that don't specify their > encoding. > > A quick Google shows this for changing it in Evolution: > https://help.gnome.org/users/evolution/stable/mail-displaying-charact > er-encodings.html.en > Since I am from the same country as the thread starter, I to would like Evolution to just find out which encoding is used. In Norway, if you want to specify the ISO-8859-standard, the number is ISO-8859-15, but most will just put ISO-8859-1. I think the thread starter has found something (bug?) that should be corrected in future releases. I have not experienced this before, but I would like to have it fixed. Is the next step here for the thread starter to report this as a bug or something in the project bug tracking system? Trond ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Problem with character encoding?
On 2/17/2017 5:17 AM, Pete Biggs wrote: Yes, if I choose ISO-8859-1 instead of default, which is UTF-8, then everything looks ok except for the subject.. Could you show us the source of the message - removing any personal information of course. We would need to see the mime structure of the message and any headers relating to character encoding. So it's better but not 100%. Also, shouldn't Evolution figure this out by itself or? (at least since Thunderbird does..) Well Thunderbird is Thunderbird and Evolution isn't! It could be down to assumptions that TB makes that Evo doesn't or some error in the mime structure that TB accepts but Evo doesn't. Thunderbird has a "Fallback Encoding" which is set per folder. You can right-click on a folder and change it in Properties. If the message specifies an encoding, that takes over unless you change it in View. You can also go into Options, Display, Formatting, Advanced, and change the defaults there. Unicode UTF-8 has been the default sender encoding in Thunderbird for a while. So the differences are just because Evolution is defaulting to UTF-8 and Thunderbird to ISO-8859-1 for messages that don't specify their encoding. A quick Google shows this for changing it in Evolution: https://help.gnome.org/users/evolution/stable/mail-displaying-character-encodings.html.en -- Knowledge is Power -- Power Corrupts Study Hard -- Be Evil ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Problem with character encoding?
> > Yes, I know.. I just thought it was strange, since I do not really > like TB and was suprised it worked there and not in Evolution.. (A) > But here is the source: OK. Thanks. Some comments on it: > > To:> From: "Lnningskontoret" > Subject: Lnnsslipp. There doesn't appear to be any character encoding directives on the Subject header, or indeed any strange characters at all, so it will always be displayed as plain ASCII (I think). > > > > --NextPart_000_0025_01BDBAA5.86C80EB0 > Content-Type: text/plain > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Again, there's no character set information, so the non-ascii characters will be displayed in whatever is the default in Evolution. > > Vedlagte l=F8nnsslipp =E5pnes med ditt 11 sifrede personnummer.=20 > Hilsen l=F8nningskontoret > So yes, F8 is O-cross in ISO-8859-1 and an invalid sequence in UTF-8, so perhaps TB is making assumptions about the character encoding used. The other thing I noticed is that you are using an Exchange server. How are you connecting to it? Is TB using the same method? P. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Problem with character encoding?
On Fri, 2017-02-17 at 12:17 +, Pete Biggs wrote: > > Yes, if I choose ISO-8859-1 instead of default, which is UTF-8, then > > everything looks ok except for the subject.. > > Could you show us the source of the message - removing any personal > information of course. We would need to see the mime structure of the > message and any headers relating to character encoding. > > > So it's better but not 100%. Also, shouldn't Evolution figure this > > out by itself or? (at least since Thunderbird does..) > > Well Thunderbird is Thunderbird and Evolution isn't! It could be down > to assumptions that TB makes that Evo doesn't or some error in the mime > structure that TB accepts but Evo doesn't. > > P. Yes, I know.. I just thought it was strange, since I do not really like TB and was suprised it worked there and not in Evolution.. (A) But here is the source: Received: from exchange2.Norsvin.local (x.x.x.x) by exchange2.Norsvin.local (x.x.x.x) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA384_P384) id 15.1.544.27 via Mailbox Transport; Thu, 16 Feb 2017 12:19:51 +0100 Received: from exchange2.Norsvin.local (x.x.x.x) by exchange2.Norsvin.local (x.x.x.x) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA384_P384) id 15.1.544.27; Thu, 16 Feb 2017 12:19:49 +0100 Received: from tokyo.mep.pandasecurity.com (92.54.22.71) by exchange2.Norsvin.local (x.x.x.x) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA256) id 15.1.544.27 via Frontend Transport; Thu, 16 Feb 2017 12:19:49 +0100 Received: from [185.38.180.43] (helo=smtp-out10.electric.net) by tokyo.mep.pandasecurity.com with esmtps (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA256:256) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from) id 1ceK6J-0005tt-3f for b...@domain.no; Thu, 16 Feb 2017 12:19:52 +0100 Received: from 1ceK6H-0002oo-Ty by out10d.electric.net with emc1-ok (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1ceK6H-0002q9-VR for b...@domain.no; Thu, 16 Feb 2017 03:19:49 -0800 Received: by emcmailer; Thu, 16 Feb 2017 03:19:49 -0800 Received: from [185.83.193.161] (helo=webmail.domain.no) by out10d.electric.net with esmtp (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1ceK6H-0002oo-Ty for b...@domain.no; Thu, 16 Feb 2017 03:19:49 -0800 X-Envelope-From: l...@domain.no To: From: "Lnningskontoret" Subject: Lnnsslipp. Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2017 12:19:49 +0100 Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="NextPart_000_0025_01BDBAA5.86C80EB0" X-Outbound-IP: 185.83.193.161 X-Env-From: l...@domene.no X-Proto: esmtp X-Revdns: mail.domain.no X-HELO: webmail.domain.no X-TLS: X-Authenticated_ID: X-PolicySMART: 5550362 X-Virus-Status: Scanned by VirusSMART (c) X-Virus-Status: Scanned by VirusSMART (s) X-CTCH-IPCLASS: R3 X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A0B0204.58A58AD7.0338:SCFSTAT34968891,ss=1,re=-4.000,recu=0.000,reip=0.000,vtr=str,vl=0,cl=1,cld=1,fgs=0 X-CTCH-VOD: Unknown X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-Spamina-Bogosity: Ham X-Spamina-History: valid X-Spamina-Service-Type: pyme Return-Path: SRS0=r++k=Z5=domain.no=l...@mep.pandasecurity.com X-MS-Exchange-Organization-Network-Message-Id: e348b933-cfaa-479a-3d46-08d4565db85f X-MS-Exchange-Organization-AVStamp-Enterprise: 1.0 X-MS-Exchange-Organization-AuthSource: exchange2.Norsvin.local X-MS-Exchange-Organization-AuthAs: Anonymous X-MS-Exchange-Transport-EndToEndLatency: 00:00:02.1250383 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Evolution-Source: 1436827664.2614...@pennywise.havleik.net --NextPart_000_0025_01BDBAA5.86C80EB0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Vedlagte l=F8nnsslipp =E5pnes med ditt 11 sifrede personnummer.=20 Hilsen l=F8nningskontoret --NextPart_000_0025_01BDBAA5.86C80EB0 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="100_168_20170201.PDF" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="100_168_20170201.PDF" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 . content removed.. --NextPart_000_0025_01BDBAA5.86C80EB0-- BTJ ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Problem with character encoding?
> Yes, if I choose ISO-8859-1 instead of default, which is UTF-8, then > everything looks ok except for the subject.. Could you show us the source of the message - removing any personal information of course. We would need to see the mime structure of the message and any headers relating to character encoding. > So it's better but not 100%. Also, shouldn't Evolution figure this > out by itself or? (at least since Thunderbird does..) Well Thunderbird is Thunderbird and Evolution isn't! It could be down to assumptions that TB makes that Evo doesn't or some error in the mime structure that TB accepts but Evo doesn't. P. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Problem with character encoding?
On Fri, 2017-02-17 at 11:28 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Fri, 2017-02-17 at 12:14 +0100, Bjørn T Johansen wrote: > > On Fri, 2017-02-17 at 12:12 +0100, Bjørn T Johansen wrote: > > > I have included an attachment, showing how one mail looks in Evolution > > > and will send another email with an attachments showing Thunderbird. In > > > Thunderbird it displays as it should but not in Evolution. > > > > > > Is this a bug or is it some settings configured wrong or? > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > BTJ > > > > > > > Here it the Thunderbird attachment.. > > Have you tried View->Character Encoding? > > poc > Yes, if I choose ISO-8859-1 instead of default, which is UTF-8, then everything looks ok except for the subject.. So it's better but not 100%. Also, shouldn't Evolution figure this out by itself or? (at least since Thunderbird does..) BTJ ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Problem with character encoding?
On Fri, 2017-02-17 at 12:14 +0100, Bjørn T Johansen wrote: > On Fri, 2017-02-17 at 12:12 +0100, Bjørn T Johansen wrote: > > I have included an attachment, showing how one mail looks in Evolution and > > will send another email with an attachments showing Thunderbird. In > > Thunderbird it displays as it should but not in Evolution. > > > > Is this a bug or is it some settings configured wrong or? > > > > > > Regards, > > > > BTJ > > > > Here it the Thunderbird attachment.. Have you tried View->Character Encoding? poc ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Problem with character encoding?
On Fri, 2017-02-17 at 12:12 +0100, Bjørn T Johansen wrote: > I have included an attachment, showing how one mail looks in Evolution and > will send another email with an attachments showing Thunderbird. In > Thunderbird it displays as it should but not in Evolution. > > Is this a bug or is it some settings configured wrong or? > > > Regards, > > BTJ > Here it the Thunderbird attachment.. BTJ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
[Evolution] Problem with character encoding?
I have included an attachment, showing how one mail looks in Evolution and will send another email with an attachments showing Thunderbird. In Thunderbird it displays as it should but not in Evolution. Is this a bug or is it some settings configured wrong or? Regards, BTJ -- --- Bjørn T Johansen b...@havleik.no --- Someone wrote: "I understand that if you play a Windows CD backwards you hear strange Satanic messages" To which someone replied: "It's even worse than that; play it forwards and it installs Windows" --- ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list