Re: [Evolution] Really super terribly awful slow performance Generating message list
On Mon, 2011-09-19 at 14:07 -0600, Zan Lynx wrote: On Mon, 2011-09-19 at 19:11 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote: On Mon, 2011-09-19 at 14:00 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: Quoting Zan Lynx zl...@acm.org: No, I don't see it either. I only see the Generating message list if I do a search in a large folder or on the whole account. Are you restricting the list of messages displayed in anyway? i.e. is there a search active or have you got the Show: dropdown set to anything other than All Messages? What about View - Show deleted messages, is that ticked? Yes, I use both search/virtual folders and usually have the dropdown set to Unread. Try setting it to All messages and see if it improves. It may not be what you ultimately want, but at least it will narrow down where the problem is being introduced so that if necessary the developers can address the issue. P. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Really super terribly awful slow performance Generating message list
I *assume* you are talking about a local mail folder; since you don't say [maildir / POP / IMAP / IMAPX ] No. Not a local folder. It is IMAPX and the plugins and all are whatever the default Fedora-15 install has. I vaguely remember other issues with IMAPX - is it possible for you to change it to plain IMAP? Here's a line copied from 'top': 15816 lynx 20 0 1926m 295m 19m R 98.9 7.6 0:16.54 evolution How much memory does your system have? Evo is using nearly 2Gb of memory with only 295Mb resident - so it is probably swapping lots which will be slowing things down a lot. In top how is that 99% CPU time being split between the various run states - i.e what does the Cpu(s): line say - mine currently says: Cpu(s): 4.7%us, 1.5%sy, 0.0%ni, 93.4%id, 0.0%wa, 0.2%hi, 0.1%si, 0.0%st which is fairly normal. You need to be worried if the 'sy' and 'wa' times are high. In any case, I suspect that most of that memory is your Inbox - how big is your inbox (as in Mb, not number of messages)? It may well be worth while just seeing how the system behaves if you disable the search folders - does the memory usage decrease now it doesn't have to process all the messages in the Inbox all the time. P. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Really super terribly awful slow performance Generating message list
Hi :) Does Evolution depend on Java for any of the process? In LibreOffice we found that any version of java more recent than their _22 slows the whole package down horribly. The _22 and _20 versions improve performance dramatically (faster and more stable) and the _21 is even faster. OpenJdk seems about the same as the _22. Of course OpenJdk and mainstream java is now owned by Oracle. Luckily LibreOffice is able to contain a separate version of Java/OpenJdk so that people's web-browsers and stuff keep using the more recent versions. I don't know if Evo uses java but the slow-down sounds familiar. Regards from Tom :) --- On Tue, 20/9/11, Pete Biggs p...@biggs.org.uk wrote: From: Pete Biggs p...@biggs.org.uk Subject: Re: [Evolution] Really super terribly awful slow performance Generating message list To: evolution-list@gnome.org Date: Tuesday, 20 September, 2011, 9:36 On Mon, 2011-09-19 at 14:07 -0600, Zan Lynx wrote: On Mon, 2011-09-19 at 19:11 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote: On Mon, 2011-09-19 at 14:00 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: Quoting Zan Lynx zl...@acm.org: No, I don't see it either. I only see the Generating message list if I do a search in a large folder or on the whole account. Are you restricting the list of messages displayed in anyway? i.e. is there a search active or have you got the Show: dropdown set to anything other than All Messages? What about View - Show deleted messages, is that ticked? Yes, I use both search/virtual folders and usually have the dropdown set to Unread. Try setting it to All messages and see if it improves. It may not be what you ultimately want, but at least it will narrow down where the problem is being introduced so that if necessary the developers can address the issue. P. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Really super terribly awful slow performance Generating message list
HI :) Many apologies for my previous post. Everywhere else requires me to top-post and i forgot to change my system around for posting to this list. Apols and regards from Tom :) ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Really super terribly awful slow performance Generating message list
On Tue, 2011-09-20 at 11:37 +0100, Tom Davies wrote: Does Evolution depend on Java for any of the process? No Java used. andre -- mailto:ak...@gmx.net | failed http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper | http://www.openismus.com ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
[Evolution] Really super terribly awful slow performance Generating message list
Does anyone know why Evolution spends all of its time Generating message list? When I click on any folder to read it, it generates a message list. When I move a message to a different folder it generates a message list. When I double click on a message in a folder that is not using the Preview pane, it generates a message list. This operation appears to consume up to 30 seconds of CPU time each and every time it runs. It's hell on laptop battery life using 30 seconds of speed boost every couple of minutes. Yes, I have over 30,000 messages in the inbox. No, this should not cause any problem to a serious email program. mutt has no problem. Thunderbird has no problem. Now, Mail.app does have a problem but I don't consider it a serious email app. Evolution *used to* perform acceptably well, back in the 2.something versions when I used to run a Linux laptop in 2006. Now that I'm running the 3.0 version in Fedora 15 it appears to have turned to crap. What happened? So, am I doing something wrong, or have the Evolution developers forgotten the basics of O(n) data structure analysis. -- Knowledge Is Power Power Corrupts Study Hard Be Evil signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Really super terribly awful slow performance Generating message list
Quoting Zan Lynx zl...@acm.org: First things first So, am I doing something wrong, or have the Evolution developers forgotten the basics of O(n) data structure analysis Really? There is no need to be rude, accuse people of incompetence, or generally behave in a belligerant manner. Does anyone know why Evolution spends all of its time Generating message list? When I click on any folder to read it, it generates a message list. When I move a message to a different folder it generates a message list. I *assume* you are talking about a local mail folder; since you don't say [maildir / POP / IMAP / IMAPX ] When I double click on a message in a folder that is not using the Preview pane, it generates a message list. I do not see this behavior. Not that Evolution 3.0.3 is devoid of performance issues; 3.0 has been a bit rocky, but is getting cleaned up a bit with every point release. This operation appears to consume up to 30 seconds of CPU time each and every time it runs. It's hell on laptop battery life using 30 seconds of speed boost every couple of minutes. Really need to know the type of mail account to be able to offer any advice. And are you doing anything hinky like accessing mail mounted via GVFS or using an encrypted home directory, etc... Yes, I have over 30,000 messages in the inbox. No, this should not cause any problem to a serious email program. mutt has no problem. Thunderbird has no problem. Now, Mail.app does have a problem but I don't consider it a serious email app. No, I don't think 30,000 messages should be a problem [although I've found that deleting ~10,000 messages can take a serious bit of time]. Evolution *used to* perform acceptably well, back in the 2.something versions when I used to run a Linux laptop in 2006. Now that I'm running the 3.0 version in Fedora 15 it appears to have turned to crap. What happened? If you run top or gnome-system-monitor do you see anything *else* running? I've seen this operation take *FOREVER* if the Tracker plugin is enabled [this, I'm convinced, is Tracker's fault, not Evolution's; otherwise Tracker is great]. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Really super terribly awful slow performance Generating message list
On Mon, 2011-09-19 at 14:00 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: Quoting Zan Lynx zl...@acm.org: First things first So, am I doing something wrong, or have the Evolution developers forgotten the basics of O(n) data structure analysis Really? There is no need to be rude, accuse people of incompetence, or generally behave in a belligerant manner. +1 When I double click on a message in a folder that is not using the Preview pane, it generates a message list. I do not see this behavior. Not that Evolution 3.0.3 is devoid of performance issues; 3.0 has been a bit rocky, but is getting cleaned up a bit with every point release. No, I don't see it either. I only see the Generating message list if I do a search in a large folder or on the whole account. Are you restricting the list of messages displayed in anyway? i.e. is there a search active or have you got the Show: dropdown set to anything other than All Messages? What about View - Show deleted messages, is that ticked? P. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Really super terribly awful slow performance Generating message list
On Mon, 2011-09-19 at 14:00 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: This operation appears to consume up to 30 seconds of CPU time each and every time it runs. It's hell on laptop battery life using 30 seconds of speed boost every couple of minutes. Really need to know the type of mail account to be able to offer any advice. And are you doing anything hinky like accessing mail mounted via GVFS or using an encrypted home directory, etc... Might be his folders.db database is full of crap and needs vacuumed. Currently this has to be done manually via an SQLite vacuum command (see [1], updated for XDG dirs), but I've been toying with the idea of tying it to expunge operations. Seems a natural place for some automated database garbage collection. 3.4 material at this point. Matthew Barnes [1] Shut down Evolution before running this: http://mbarnes.fedorapeople.org/evolution-rebuild-summarydb ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Really super terribly awful slow performance Generating message list
On Mon, 2011-09-19 at 19:11 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote: On Mon, 2011-09-19 at 14:00 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: Quoting Zan Lynx zl...@acm.org: No, I don't see it either. I only see the Generating message list if I do a search in a large folder or on the whole account. Are you restricting the list of messages displayed in anyway? i.e. is there a search active or have you got the Show: dropdown set to anything other than All Messages? What about View - Show deleted messages, is that ticked? Yes, I use both search/virtual folders and usually have the dropdown set to Unread. -- Knowledge Is Power Power Corrupts Study Hard Be Evil signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Really super terribly awful slow performance Generating message list
Quoting Zan Lynx zl...@acm.org: On Mon, 2011-09-19 at 19:11 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote: On Mon, 2011-09-19 at 14:00 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: Quoting Zan Lynx zl...@acm.org: No, I don't see it either. I only see the Generating message list if I do a search in a large folder or on the whole account. Are you restricting the list of messages displayed in anyway? i.e. is there a search active or have you got the Show: dropdown set to anything other than All Messages? What about View - Show deleted messages, is that ticked? Yes, I use both search/virtual folders and usually have the dropdown set to Unread. What are the backing folders [IMAP/IMAPX/POP-to-Maildir]? Did you check to see if the Tracker plugin was enabled? ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Really super terribly awful slow performance Generating message list
On Mon, 2011-09-19 at 14:00 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: Quoting Zan Lynx zl...@acm.org: First things first So, am I doing something wrong, or have the Evolution developers forgotten the basics of O(n) data structure analysis Really? There is no need to be rude, accuse people of incompetence, or generally behave in a belligerant manner. OK. Sorry. I just got super frustrated and had to vent. Does anyone know why Evolution spends all of its time Generating message list? When I click on any folder to read it, it generates a message list. When I move a message to a different folder it generates a message list. I *assume* you are talking about a local mail folder; since you don't say [maildir / POP / IMAP / IMAPX ] No. Not a local folder. It is IMAPX and the plugins and all are whatever the default Fedora-15 install has. If you run top or gnome-system-monitor do you see anything *else* running? I've seen this operation take *FOREVER* if the Tracker plugin is enabled [this, I'm convinced, is Tracker's fault, not Evolution's; otherwise Tracker is great]. Nope. No tracker or anything else. Evolution has just been started and I clicked on my LKML (linux kernel mailing list) folder which is a virtual search folder with search set to Any conditions, Recipients contains linux-ker...@vger.kernel.org, Specific header Newsgroups contains linux.kernel, Search folder sources: imapx:zl...@threatwall.zlynx.org/INBOX Here's a line copied from 'top': 15816 lynx 20 0 1926m 295m 19m R 98.9 7.6 0:16.54 evolution It's already burned 16 seconds and it hasn't even come up with the message list yet. INBOX has 31,457 total messages. 18,418 of those are from LKML. Evolution version is 3.0.3. -- Knowledge Is Power Power Corrupts Study Hard Be Evil signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
