Re: [Evolution] Time drifting using Android - Exchange 2010 - Evolution
On 31 May 2013 08:17, David Woodhouse dw...@infradead.org wrote: On Fri, 2013-05-31 at 06:47 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Fri, 2013-05-31 at 10:10 +0100, David Woodhouse wrote: let's call it UTC, not GMT, to have same terminology as in RFC. I sometimes like to use 'GMT' just to reinforce the GMT does *not* mean UK time message. :) pedantry It's certainly true that GMT is not the same as UK time, but even GMT is not really a standard timezone (though it's still used in some countries). UTC is the correct term AFAIK. /pedantry I'm not quite sure what you mean when you say that GMT isn't a standard timezone. What type of standard do you mean? It is used as the legal time (or the basis for it) in a number of countries, and is thus in the timezone database. What more does a timezone need, to be a standard timezone? Strictly speaking, GMT and UTC are *different* things. They can differ by up to a second. But that isn't really important. For most practical purposes, they are interchangeable. I meant a timezone officially recognized by ISO. I don't question that GMT is a legal designation in several countries. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601#Time_zone_designators. poc ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Time drifting using Android - Exchange 2010 - Evolution
Den 05/31/2013 05:13 PM, skrev Milan Crha: Oops, thinking of it, I believe any 3.8.x, not only 3.8.3 on which I tested this, has this fixed, thus you can pick whichever 3.8.x you've available. Bye, Milan Hello Milan (and all of you who helped me). I can confirm that Evolution 3.8.2 works as it should. Events entered on my phone displays correctly in Evolution. However, I am running Linux Mint Debian with Cinnamon desktop. I have not been able to compile Evolution 3.8 on that (too many dependencies which I cannot resolve - and my time is a little sparse at the moment due to heavy work load, so I have put it on hold (if, none of you, guys have some good advice...)). The way I was able to check it, was to download the most recent Mint 15 Cinnamon, install it in a Virtualbox guest, add gnome 3 with *sudo add-apt-repository ppa:gnome3-team/gnome3. and install Evolution from there. Worked like a charm. I am probably, when work gets a bit calmer, installing Mint 15 Cinnamon, with Evolution 3.8 on top. Thank you! Best regards Vidar * ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Time drifting using Android - Exchange 2010 - Evolution
Den 05/30/2013 11:49 PM, skrev David Woodhouse: Hope I am posting correctly now... The EWS_DEBUG part worked, but searching for the event entered on the phone gave no results. Here is the event, entered for 20:00 on the phone, but drifted two hours to 18:00: BEGIN:VCALENDAR PRODID:-//Ximian//NONSGML Evolution Calendar//EN VERSION:2.0 METHOD:PUBLISH BEGIN:VEVENT SUMMARY;LANGUAGE=en-US:Test20 DTSTART:20130602T18 DTEND:20130602T19 Hm, that's odd. Shouldn't those end with a 'Z' to indicate that they are in GMT? Then they'd be correct, right? The meeting was actually at 18:00 GMT? No. The meeting was at 20:00 (look at summary: Test20) I'd like to see what we actually got back from the Exchange server for this event — can you show the XML you see in the calendar-factory output? From t:CalendarItem to /t:CalendarItem. Actually, the output seems encoded in some way, so I do not know which calendar item is the correct. However, some CalendarItems have timezone and some have not. I guess the items entered on my phone are the ones without timezone. This is an example without timezone: t:CalendarItem t:MimeContent CharacterSet=UTF-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/t:MimeContent t:ItemId Id=AAMkADFmODk4OWM3LThkZTYtNDNiNy04MDI3LWE2MDFiNjEwMTVlZQBGAABfPsKLxmAeTqGBhPnLcSToBwDpmmDdm/HZQbnuhOn4fMvuAAABV6JlAADZpHxTQYzrRJ5/zjxxNiNuKCiFAAA= ChangeKey=DwAAABYAAADZpHxTQYzrRJ5/zjxxNiNuKvG3/ t:HasAttachmentsfalse/t:HasAttachments t:UID1fe056fd367849478ebb324bd2fb0260/t:UID t:TimeZoneUTC/t:TimeZone /t:CalendarItem And this is an example with timezone: t:CalendarItem t:MimeContent CharacterSet=UTF-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:MimeContent t:ItemId
Re: [Evolution] Time drifting using Android - Exchange 2010 - Evolution
On Thu, 2013-05-30 at 22:49 +0100, David Woodhouse wrote: DTSTART:20130602T18 DTEND:20130602T19 Hm, that's odd. Shouldn't those end with a 'Z' to indicate that they are in GMT? Then they'd be correct, right? The meeting was actually at 18:00 GMT? Hi, let's call it UTC, not GMT, to have same terminology as in RFC. Date/time stored this way, without timezone, is called floating [1], which means that it's in your case between 18 - 19 in whatever timezone you see the event. If you read the section at [1] carefully, then you'll notice that it's not good to use floating times, thus I'd say that the phone software is a bit lazy (though it depends on actual data received from the Exchange server). A bug on evolution's side might be that it doesn't convert the time to your Europe/Oslo timezone, but rather to UTC, and then convert it to Europe/Oslo, but I imported your event into my calendar and it behaves correctly according to [1], it sticks at 6PM to 7PM on Sunday June 2nd either I look on it in EST or CET timezone (this is with git master, development 3.9.2 version, but it might be quite the same as stable 3.8.2). On Thu, 2013-05-30 at 21:06 +0200, Vidar Evenrud Seeberg wrote: I hope this post comes to the right place. I had to reply based on the digest since I did not have your single post. I have now disabled digesting and hopefully I am on the right track now Do not worry, it was only a hint from my side. By the way, in a digest, you might be able to reply to an individual message by clicking the button above each respective message, then you get a context menu, where is an item to reply to that particular email. Bye, Milan [1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5545#section-3.3.5 ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Time drifting using Android - Exchange 2010 - Evolution
On Fri, 2013-05-31 at 09:09 +0200, Vidar Evenrud Seeberg wrote: t:TimeZoneUTC/t:TimeZone Heh, so evolution-ews doesn't recognize UTC... t:TimeZone(UTC+01.00) Brussel, København, Madrid, Paris/t:TimeZone ...while it knows about the other time zones. Nice, in that case discard my note about lazy phone software, and make this an evolution-ews bug. Thanks for all the investigation here. By the way: I did not find a command like e-calendar-factory. The closest was evolution-calendar-factory, so I run the command EWS_DEBUG=2 /usr/lib/evolution/evolution-calendar-factory -w. Is that correct? Yes, it's correct. Though it seems like you do not use 3.4.4, where it was named e-calendar-factory (if I'm not mistaken). Bye, Milan ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Time drifting using Android - Exchange 2010 - Evolution
Den 05/31/2013 09:34 AM, skrev Milan Crha: ...while it knows about the other time zones. Nice, in that case discard my note about lazy phone software, and make this an evolution-ews bug. Thanks for all the investigation here. No problem. I am the one to thank you, guys. I have learn't a lot about mailinglists and Evolution. I will try to file a bug (havn't done that before, either). Is it enough to say that evolution-ews doesn't recognize UTC and describe how I enter events in phone, sync to Exchange and starts Evolution? By the way: I did not find a command like e-calendar-factory. The closest was evolution-calendar-factory, so I run the command EWS_DEBUG=2 /usr/lib/evolution/evolution-calendar-factory -w. Is that correct? Yes, it's correct. Though it seems like you do not use 3.4.4, where it was named e-calendar-factory (if I'm not mistaken). Bye, Milan Hmm, strange, Evolution about dialog says 3.4.4. Synaptic says 3.4.4-1 both for Evolution and Evolution-EWS Thank you Vidar ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Time drifting using Android - Exchange 2010 - Evolution
On Fri, 2013-05-31 at 09:51 +0200, Vidar Evenrud Seeberg wrote: Is it enough to say that evolution-ews doesn't recognize UTC and describe how I enter events in phone, sync to Exchange and starts Evolution? Hi, I just tested this with to-be 3.8.3 and it works fine there, thus I guess it got fixed unintentionally, between your 3.4.4 and the 3.8.x. Once you get to 3.8.x evolution(-ews), and purge your local cache of events, then they'll be redownloaded and then shown on the right place. Hmm, strange, Evolution about dialog says 3.4.4. Synaptic says 3.4.4-1 both for Evolution and Evolution-EWS You are right, that's my memory which is faulty here. Bye, Milan ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Time drifting using Android - Exchange 2010 - Evolution
On Fri, 2013-05-31 at 09:09 +0200, Vidar Evenrud Seeberg wrote: Den 05/30/2013 11:49 PM, skrev David Woodhouse: DTSTART:20130602T18 DTEND:20130602T19 Hm, that's odd. Shouldn't those end with a 'Z' to indicate that they are in GMT? Then they'd be correct, right? The meeting was actually at 18:00 GMT? No. The meeting was at 20:00 (look at summary: Test20) Remember, times are meaningless without timezones. You should *always* specify the timezone unless it's completely obvious. The meeting was at 20:00 in *what* time zone? I thought it was at 20:00 in your local time zone, GMT+2. Which makes it 18:00 GMT? I'd like to see what we actually got back from the Exchange server for this event — can you show the XML you see in the calendar-factory output? From t:CalendarItem to /t:CalendarItem. Actually, the output seems encoded in some way, so I do not know which calendar item is the correct. They're base64-encoded. Here's the first one, which I think is the interesting one: BEGIN:VCALENDAR METHOD:PUBLISH PRODID:Microsoft Exchange Server 2010 VERSION:2.0 BEGIN:VTIMEZONE TZID:W. Europe Standard Time BEGIN:STANDARD DTSTART:16010101T03 TZOFFSETFROM:+0200 TZOFFSETTO:+0100 RRULE:FREQ=YEARLY;INTERVAL=1;BYDAY=-1SU;BYMONTH=10 END:STANDARD BEGIN:DAYLIGHT DTSTART:16010101T02 TZOFFSETFROM:+0100 TZOFFSETTO:+0200 RRULE:FREQ=YEARLY;INTERVAL=1;BYDAY=-1SU;BYMONTH=3 END:DAYLIGHT END:VTIMEZONE BEGIN:VEVENT ORGANIZER;CN=Vidar Seeberg:MAILTO:vidar.seeb...@norsvin.no SUMMARY;LANGUAGE=en-US:Test entered for 20-21 DTSTART;TZID=W. Europe Standard Time:20130602T20 DTEND;TZID=W. Europe Standard Time:20130602T21 UID:1fe056fd367849478ebb324bd2fb0260 CLASS:PUBLIC PRIORITY:5 DTSTAMP:20130531T064042Z TRANSP:OPAQUE STATUS:CONFIRMED SEQUENCE:0 X-MICROSOFT-CDO-APPT-SEQUENCE:0 X-MICROSOFT-CDO-OWNERAPPTID:276071 X-MICROSOFT-CDO-BUSYSTATUS:BUSY X-MICROSOFT-CDO-INTENDEDSTATUS:BUSY X-MICROSOFT-CDO-ALLDAYEVENT:FALSE X-MICROSOFT-CDO-IMPORTANCE:1 X-MICROSOFT-CDO-INSTTYPE:0 X-MICROSOFT-DISALLOW-COUNTER:FALSE END:VEVENT END:VCALENDAR However, some CalendarItems have timezone and some have not. Right. As I explained, you don't *need* to preserve the timezone for a non-recurring meeting. As long as the time is correct, it doesn't matter. It's quite normal to discard the original timezone and just remember the actual time of the meeting in UTC. This is another ics for a test for a meeting at 20:00 to 21:00 entered on the phone (exported from Evolution): BEGIN:VCALENDAR PRODID:-//Ximian//NONSGML Evolution Calendar//EN VERSION:2.0 METHOD:PUBLISH BEGIN:VEVENT SUMMARY;LANGUAGE=en-US:Test entered for 20-21 DTSTART:20130602T18 DTEND:20130602T19 UID:1fe056fd367849478ebb324bd2fb0260 CLASS:PUBLIC PRIORITY:5 DTSTAMP:20130531T064042Z TRANSP:OPAQUE STATUS:CONFIRMED SEQUENCE:0 X-MICROSOFT-CDO-APPT-SEQUENCE:0 X-MICROSOFT-CDO-OWNERAPPTID:276071 X-MICROSOFT-CDO-BUSYSTATUS:BUSY X-MICROSOFT-CDO-INTENDEDSTATUS:BUSY X-MICROSOFT-CDO-ALLDAYEVENT:FALSE X-MICROSOFT-CDO-IMPORTANCE:1 X-MICROSOFT-CDO-INSTTYPE:0 X-MICROSOFT-DISALLOW-COUNTER:FALSE X-EVOLUTION-ITEMID: AAMkADFmODk4OWM3LThkZTYtNDNiNy04MDI3LWE2MDFiNjEwMTVlZQBGAABfPsKLxmAeTq GBhPnLcSToBwDpmmDdm/HZQbnuhOn4fMvuAAABV6JlAADZpHxTQYzrRJ5/zjxxNiNuKCiF AAA= X-EVOLUTION-CHANGEKEY:DwAAABYAAADZpHxTQYzrRJ5/zjxxNiNuKvG3 END:VEVENT END:VCALENDAR OK, so we can compare this with what Exchange actually gave us, which I showed above. Exchange *did* give us a full timezone definition for W. Europe Standard Time, and then defined the meeting as 20:00-21:00 in that time zone. It looks like Evolution converted to UTC (18:00-19:00) but failed to correctly represent that. It's stored it as a floating time, as Milan said. Floating times (where the timezone isn't fixed, and it's 18:00 in whatever time zone the viewer happens to be in at the moment), are fairly much useless for any event other than hey, the sun is overhead. This might have happened because we don't usually expect Exchange to give us non-recurring meetings in any timezone *other* than UTC, so this code path isn't well-tested? This is an ics for an event entered in OWA for a meeting at 21:00 (exported from Evolution) : BEGIN:VTIMEZONE TZID:Romance Standard Time ... END:VTIMEZONE BEGIN:VEVENT SUMMARY;LANGUAGE=nb-NO:Test entered for 21 in OWA DTSTART;TZID=Romance Standard Time:20130601T21 DTEND;TZID=Romance Standard Time:20130601T22 This one defines a time zone, then gives the meeting start/end in terms of that timezone. It looks fine. This is an ics of an event entered in Outlook as exported by Evolution: BEGIN:VCALENDAR PRODID:-//Ximian//NONSGML Evolution Calendar//EN VERSION:2.0 METHOD:PUBLISH BEGIN:VTIMEZONE TZID:(GMT+01:00) Amsterdam\, Berlin\, Bern\, Rome\, Stockholm\, Vienna ... END:VTIMEZONE BEGIN:VEVENT SUMMARY;LANGUAGE=nb-NO:Test 2100 entered in Outlook DTSTART;TZID=(GMT+01:00) Amsterdam, Berlin, Bern, Rome, Stockholm,
Re: [Evolution] Time drifting using Android - Exchange 2010 - Evolution
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Re: [Evolution] Time drifting using Android - Exchange 2010 - Evolution
On Fri, 2013-05-31 at 09:27 +0200, Milan Crha wrote: On Thu, 2013-05-30 at 22:49 +0100, David Woodhouse wrote: DTSTART:20130602T18 DTEND:20130602T19 Hm, that's odd. Shouldn't those end with a 'Z' to indicate that they are in GMT? Then they'd be correct, right? The meeting was actually at 18:00 GMT? Hi, let's call it UTC, not GMT, to have same terminology as in RFC. I sometimes like to use 'GMT' just to reinforce the GMT does *not* mean UK time message. :) Date/time stored this way, without timezone, is called floating [1], which means that it's in your case between 18 - 19 in whatever timezone you see the event. If you read the section at [1] carefully, then you'll notice that it's not good to use floating times, thus I'd say that the phone software is a bit lazy (though it depends on actual data received from the Exchange server). A bug on evolution's side might be that it doesn't convert the time to your Europe/Oslo timezone, but rather to UTC, It's allowed to convert it to UTC. And as I said, I'd usually expect *Exchange* do to that for a non-recurring meeting anyway. and then convert it to Europe/Oslo, When you display a meeting, it's always converted to the local timezone, whatever that happens to be at the time. -- dwmw2 smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Time drifting using Android - Exchange 2010 - Evolution
Den 05/31/2013 10:56 AM, skrev David Woodhouse: Remember, times are meaningless without timezones. You should *always* specify the timezone unless it's completely obvious. The meeting was at 20:00 in *what* time zone? I thought it was at 20:00 in your local time zone, GMT+2. Which makes it 18:00 GMT? Sorry about that! The meeting was at 20:00 GMT+2 They're base64-encoded. Here's the first one, which I think is the interesting one: Correct: this was entered on my phone as a meeting at 20:00 GMT+2 BEGIN:VCALENDAR METHOD:PUBLISH PRODID:Microsoft Exchange Server 2010 VERSION:2.0 BEGIN:VTIMEZONE TZID:W. Europe Standard Time BEGIN:STANDARD DTSTART:16010101T03 TZOFFSETFROM:+0200 TZOFFSETTO:+0100 RRULE:FREQ=YEARLY;INTERVAL=1;BYDAY=-1SU;BYMONTH=10 END:STANDARD BEGIN:DAYLIGHT DTSTART:16010101T02 TZOFFSETFROM:+0100 TZOFFSETTO:+0200 RRULE:FREQ=YEARLY;INTERVAL=1;BYDAY=-1SU;BYMONTH=3 END:DAYLIGHT END:VTIMEZONE BEGIN:VEVENT ORGANIZER;CN=Vidar Seeberg:MAILTO:vidar.seeb...@norsvin.no SUMMARY;LANGUAGE=en-US:Test entered for 20-21 DTSTART;TZID=W. Europe Standard Time:20130602T20 DTEND;TZID=W. Europe Standard Time:20130602T21 UID:1fe056fd367849478ebb324bd2fb0260 CLASS:PUBLIC PRIORITY:5 DTSTAMP:20130531T064042Z TRANSP:OPAQUE STATUS:CONFIRMED SEQUENCE:0 X-MICROSOFT-CDO-APPT-SEQUENCE:0 X-MICROSOFT-CDO-OWNERAPPTID:276071 X-MICROSOFT-CDO-BUSYSTATUS:BUSY X-MICROSOFT-CDO-INTENDEDSTATUS:BUSY X-MICROSOFT-CDO-ALLDAYEVENT:FALSE X-MICROSOFT-CDO-IMPORTANCE:1 X-MICROSOFT-CDO-INSTTYPE:0 X-MICROSOFT-DISALLOW-COUNTER:FALSE END:VEVENT END:VCALENDAR Milan reports the issue being fixed accidently in the up and coming 3.8.3. I will try that as soon I get hold of it Thank you for good explanations and help. I will report back as soon as I have tested 3.8.3 Regards Vidar ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Time drifting using Android - Exchange 2010 - Evolution
Den 05/31/2013 10:46 AM, skrev Milan Crha: Hi, I just tested this with to-be 3.8.3 and it works fine there, thus I guess it got fixed unintentionally, between your 3.4.4 and the 3.8.x. Once you get to 3.8.x evolution(-ews), and purge your local cache of events, then they'll be redownloaded and then shown on the right place. Is it possible to get hold of 3.8.3 currently? You are right, that's my memory which is faulty here. Bye, Milan No problem! Thank you ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Time drifting using Android - Exchange 2010 - Evolution
On Fri, 2013-05-31 at 10:10 +0100, David Woodhouse wrote: let's call it UTC, not GMT, to have same terminology as in RFC. I sometimes like to use 'GMT' just to reinforce the GMT does *not* mean UK time message. :) pedantry It's certainly true that GMT is not the same as UK time, but even GMT is not really a standard timezone (though it's still used in some countries). UTC is the correct term AFAIK. /pedantry poc ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Time drifting using Android - Exchange 2010 - Evolution
On Fri, 2013-05-31 at 06:47 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Fri, 2013-05-31 at 10:10 +0100, David Woodhouse wrote: let's call it UTC, not GMT, to have same terminology as in RFC. I sometimes like to use 'GMT' just to reinforce the GMT does *not* mean UK time message. :) pedantry It's certainly true that GMT is not the same as UK time, but even GMT is not really a standard timezone (though it's still used in some countries). UTC is the correct term AFAIK. /pedantry I'm not quite sure what you mean when you say that GMT isn't a standard timezone. What type of standard do you mean? It is used as the legal time (or the basis for it) in a number of countries, and is thus in the timezone database. What more does a timezone need, to be a standard timezone? Strictly speaking, GMT and UTC are *different* things. They can differ by up to a second. But that isn't really important. For most practical purposes, they are interchangeable. -- dwmw2 smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Time drifting using Android - Exchange 2010 - Evolution
On Fri, 2013-05-31 at 11:15 +0200, Vidar Evenrud Seeberg wrote: Is it possible to get hold of 3.8.3 currently? The release is planned on June 10th (or around it, if anything urgent will rise). I would rather wait, than try to compile from git. Bye, Milan ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Time drifting using Android - Exchange 2010 - Evolution
On Fri, 2013-05-31 at 16:50 +0200, Milan Crha wrote: On Fri, 2013-05-31 at 11:15 +0200, Vidar Evenrud Seeberg wrote: Is it possible to get hold of 3.8.3 currently? The release is planned on June 10th (or around it, if anything urgent will rise). I would rather wait, than try to compile from git. Oops, thinking of it, I believe any 3.8.x, not only 3.8.3 on which I tested this, has this fixed, thus you can pick whichever 3.8.x you've available. Bye, Milan ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Time drifting using Android - Exchange 2010 - Evolution
On Thu, 2013-05-30 at 06:51 +, evolution-list-requ...@gnome.org wrote: Message: 4 Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 16:10:06 +0200 From: Milan Crha mc...@redhat.com To: evolution-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [Evolution] Time drifting using Android - Exchange 2010 - Evolution Message-ID: 1369836606.3346.9.camel@zyxPad2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Wed, 2013-05-29 at 12:35 +0200, Vidar Evenrud Seeberg wrote: Thank you. Comforting to see that it is not just me Our Exchange server is 2010 and the timezone for the server is UTC+1 + summertime, which altogether should be summarized to my computers and my phone's +2 timezone. I will ask the IT management department if there is a possible upgrade up front. Hi, it might be better to start with evolution itself, not with your admins. I suggest to debug what the server returns to you. One UI way is to open the event editor and turn on View-Time zone, then you'll see what time zone is the event at. More core debugging looks like: a) close evolution and all its related processes, namely e-calendar-factory process b) open a terminal and run there the factory with debugging on: $ EWS_DEBUG=2 /usr/libexec/e-calendar-factory -w notes: 1) path on your system can be different; 2) if -2 doesn't work in 3.4, then run it without it). c) enter a new appointment on your phone d) run evolution on another terminal you should see printed new lines on the factory console. I guess if you entered some recognizable summary of the event, then you'll see where it starts. The raw data is important for debugging. e) when the event shows in evolution, right-click it and choose Save..., pick some nice name for it. Open it in a text editor and delete from there anything you'll feel like being personal and/or sensitive data (or just replace it with ). Attach the saved event here, and if you can then also the part from the factory log where the event was received (I'm not sure if it'll be visible at all, if not, then never mind on this). Bye, Milan P.S.: it seems to me that you use message digests on this list, it'll be better to turn that off (follow URL at the very bottom of this and every email on this list), then you can reply to individual messages without breaking threading (and making the message hard to follow, because I was about to discard your whole message after reaching the first reply-part in it). Thanks. Thank you, Milan Starting to get the grip on mailing lists... sorry for slow learning. I have turned off digesting. This is my last post doing it the wrong way. If I have understood correctly I will receive a mail for each reply to my posts and I will reply to them again. Correct me if I am wrong... (until now I have only received the digest and replied to that) Since I am at the office now, I will look into your suggestions this evening. Thank you for those. I hope the debugging gives some useful results. Posting back this evening Best regards Vidar ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Time drifting using Android - Exchange 2010 - Evolution
On Thu, 2013-05-30 at 06:51 +, evolution-list-requ...@gnome.org wrote: Message: 6 Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 20:01:44 +0100 (BST) From: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk To: evolution-list@gnome.org evolution-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [Evolution] Time drifting using Android - Exchange 2010 - Evolution Message-ID: 1369854104.78273.yahoomail...@web28905.mail.ir2.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi :) I had a problem with all the Windows machines on the company network being 10 minutes off.? Only booting machines into Ubuntu gave the correct time.? I think it turned out to be something to do with the Windows Server authentication (Kerberos?) whereas all the Ubuntu machines only have local logins on each desktop machine.? I'm not sure if that's helpful at all!? I hope so tho!? Regards from Tom :)? Thank you, Tom I will follow the directions given by Milan. Hopefully some useful debugging information will give us some hints. Milan also gave me some good advice on using mailing lists. I hope I have understood correctly (me - slow learner) and my posts (after this one) will be made more correctly Best regards Vidar ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Time drifting using Android - Exchange 2010 - Evolution
Hi :) Yes, Milan's advice is much better. I hadn't seen it before i posted :( Wrt mailing lists this one is quite strict and if you get used to this one it stands you in good stead with all the other projects. Annoyingly some email clients and all handheld devices make it impossible to bottom post so i usually either avoid posting or delete out all the previous stuff so that no-one has any context. LibreOffice and Ubuntu mailing lists are reasonably ok with top-posting so i mostly stay over at LibreOffice. Also i only joined this list to learn through lurking. It's kinda working. Regards from Tom :) ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Time drifting using Android - Exchange 2010 - Evolution
On Thu, 2013-05-30 at 09:17 +0100, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Yes, Milan's advice is much better. I hadn't seen it before i posted :( Wrt mailing lists this one is quite strict and if you get used to this one it stands you in good stead with all the other projects. Annoyingly some email clients and all handheld devices make it impossible to bottom post so i usually either avoid posting or delete out all the previous stuff so that no-one has any context. LibreOffice and Ubuntu mailing lists are reasonably ok with top-posting so i mostly stay over at LibreOffice. Also i only joined this list to learn through lurking. It's kinda working. All handheld devices is overreaching. It's true that it's difficult to bottom post on a Blackberry (it can be done with cutting and pasting but it's a real pain), but on my Android phone the Gmail app even has a button for respond inline, which is exactly what is needed (oddly enough the Gmail web client doesn't have this). Some mailing lists have guidelines on posting styles. The Evo list is not one of them so in that sense it's not at all strict as you say. That said, most people here are comfortable with widely-accepted practice on Internet lists, i.e. no HTML, no replies to digests, don't hijack threads, and trim the quoted material to what's relevant when replying (don't just delete it all), with your contributions inserted after the part you're commenting on, i.e. inline posting. poc ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Time drifting using Android - Exchange 2010 - Evolution
On Thu, 2013-05-30 at 09:17 +0100, Tom Davies wrote: Annoyingly some email clients and all handheld devices make it impossible to bottom post so i usually either avoid posting or delete out all the previous stuff so that no-one has any context. We have plenty of context. The In-Reply-To: and/or References: headers in your own message serve to explicitly identify the message to which you replied, and we can read that quite easily. Unfortunately, that message itself is very hard to read. Quite why Vidar thought it would be helpful to repeat part of an older email which reads Message: 6 Date: Wed, 29 May 2013... and a bunch of other irrelevant stuff, I have no idea. Don't people *read* what's in front of them before hitting 'send', these days? -- dwmw2 smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Time drifting using Android - Exchange 2010 - Evolution
Den 05/30/2013 08:51 AM, skrev evolution-list-requ...@gnome.org: Hi, it might be better to start with evolution itself, not with your admins. I suggest to debug what the server returns to you. One UI way is to open the event editor and turn on View-Time zone, then you'll see what time zone is the event at. Now, we're getting somewhere... When opening an event created on my phone, no time zone appears, just an active Select... box from which I can choose time zone. Opening an event created in Outlook, the time zone says GMT+1. Opening an event created in OWA, the time zone says Romance Standard Time. Creating an event in Evolution and opening it again afterwards it says Europe/Oslo, which is the system's time. The main thing is that events created on the phone does not appear with time zone set in Evolution. I also tried to view the time zone in Outlook, and all are viewed as GMT+1, although events created in Evolution or on the phone says Belgrade... and events created in OWA says Brussels... More core debugging looks like: a) close evolution and all its related processes, namely e-calendar-factory process b) open a terminal and run there the factory with debugging on: $ EWS_DEBUG=2 /usr/libexec/e-calendar-factory -w notes: 1) path on your system can be different; 2) if -2 doesn't work in 3.4, then run it without it). c) enter a new appointment on your phone d) run evolution on another terminal you should see printed new lines on the factory console. I guess if you entered some recognizable summary of the event, then you'll see where it starts. The raw data is important for debugging. e) when the event shows in evolution, right-click it and choose Save..., pick some nice name for it. Open it in a text editor and delete from there anything you'll feel like being personal and/or sensitive data (or just replace it with ). Attach the saved event here, and if you can then also the part from the factory log where the event was received (I'm not sure if it'll be visible at all, if not, then never mind on this). Bye, Milan The EWS_DEBUG part worked, but searching for the event entered on the phone gave no results. Here is the event, entered for 20:00 on the phone, but drifted two hours to 18:00: BEGIN:VCALENDAR PRODID:-//Ximian//NONSGML Evolution Calendar//EN VERSION:2.0 METHOD:PUBLISH BEGIN:VEVENT SUMMARY;LANGUAGE=en-US:Test20 DTSTART:20130602T18 DTEND:20130602T19 UID:1028db8dcfc0465e936a87d8027ade0d CLASS:PUBLIC PRIORITY:5 DTSTAMP:20130530T185125Z TRANSP:OPAQUE STATUS:CONFIRMED SEQUENCE:0 X-MICROSOFT-CDO-APPT-SEQUENCE:0 X-MICROSOFT-CDO-OWNERAPPTID:273895 X-MICROSOFT-CDO-BUSYSTATUS:BUSY X-MICROSOFT-CDO-INTENDEDSTATUS:BUSY X-MICROSOFT-CDO-ALLDAYEVENT:FALSE X-MICROSOFT-CDO-IMPORTANCE:1 X-MICROSOFT-CDO-INSTTYPE:0 X-MICROSOFT-DISALLOW-COUNTER:FALSE X-EVOLUTION-ITEMID: AAMkADFmODk4OWM3LThkZTYtNDNiNy04MDI3LWE2MDFiNjEwMTVlZQBGAABfPsKLxmAeTq GBhPnLcSToBwDpmmDdm/HZQbnuhOn4fMvuAAABV6JlAADZpHxTQYzrRJ5/zjxxNiNuKCiD AAA= X-EVOLUTION-CHANGEKEY:DwAAABYAAADZpHxTQYzrRJ5/zjxxNiNuKuxn END:VEVENT END:VCALENDAR P.S.: it seems to me that you use message digests on this list, it'll be better to turn that off (follow URL at the very bottom of this and every email on this list), then you can reply to individual messages without breaking threading (and making the message hard to follow, because I was about to discard your whole message after reaching the first reply-part in it). Thanks. I hope this post comes to the right place. I had to reply based on the digest since I did not have your single post. I have now disabled digesting and hopefully I am on the right track now Best regards Vidar ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Time drifting using Android - Exchange 2010 - Evolution
On Thu, 2013-05-30 at 21:06 +0200, Vidar Evenrud Seeberg wrote: Den 05/30/2013 08:51 AM, skrev evolution-list-requ...@gnome.org: Hi, it might be better to start with evolution itself, not with your admins. I suggest to debug what the server returns to you. One UI way is to open the event editor and turn on View-Time zone, then you'll see what time zone is the event at. Now, we're getting somewhere... When opening an event created on my phone, no time zone appears, just an active Select... box from which I can choose time zone. Opening an event created in Outlook, the time zone says GMT+1. Careful; Outlook (and most things Microsoft) are very broken here. They say GMT to refer to UK time, which is only actually GMT during the winter, and GMT+1 during the summer. During the summer months they have a similar off-by-one error in all time zones. I assume there is similar brokenness in the southern hemisphere but I don't know exactly how it manifests itself. So it's actually expected that you'll see Central European Time (which is currently GMT+2) described as GMT+1 at least in cosmetic textual things from Microsoft. In a typical display of their quality engineering, they at one point attempted to fix this bug by adding a disclaimer to outbound calendar invitations, warning the user that the GMT offset may be wrong :) However, that's mostly just cosmetic, in the text of the description etc. In the ical invite itself, things should usually be correct. Opening an event created in OWA, the time zone says Romance Standard Time. Creating an event in Evolution and opening it again afterwards it says Europe/Oslo, which is the system's time. In Exchange, a non-recurring event is generally expressed in GMT. (And thankfully I mean real GMT this time; the stupidity described above is mostly only cosmetic). Think about it: there's no *point* in preserving the original time zone in a non-recurring event. If it's 12:00 GMT or 13:00 UK time or 14:00 Brussels time, that's all the *same*. The only time the original timezone ever matters is for *recurring* events, when the daylight savings rules need to be applied on the right day of the year. The EWS_DEBUG part worked, but searching for the event entered on the phone gave no results. Here is the event, entered for 20:00 on the phone, but drifted two hours to 18:00: BEGIN:VCALENDAR PRODID:-//Ximian//NONSGML Evolution Calendar//EN VERSION:2.0 METHOD:PUBLISH BEGIN:VEVENT SUMMARY;LANGUAGE=en-US:Test20 DTSTART:20130602T18 DTEND:20130602T19 Hm, that's odd. Shouldn't those end with a 'Z' to indicate that they are in GMT? Then they'd be correct, right? The meeting was actually at 18:00 GMT? I'd like to see what we actually got back from the Exchange server for this event — can you show the XML you see in the calendar-factory output? From t:CalendarItem to /t:CalendarItem. -- dwmw2 smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Time drifting using Android - Exchange 2010 - Evolution
Den 05/29/2013 04:05 AM, skrev evolution-list-requ...@gnome.org: Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 18:32:01 -0430 From: Patrick O'Callaghan p...@usb.ve To: evolution-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [Evolution] Time drifting using Android - Exchange 2010 - Evolution Message-ID: 1369782121.5616.9.ca...@bree.homelinux.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Thank you for replying, Patric On Tue, 2013-05-28 at 22:15 +0200, Vidar Evenrud Seeberg wrote: When entering appointments/events on my phone (using either SPlanner or Touchdown) the appointments drift with two hours when picked up by Evolution. If entering an appointment from 10:00 to 11:00 on the phone, it shows up in Evolution from 8:00 to 9:00. When you say it drifts do you mean it's exactly 2 hours off, or that it varies by up to 2 hours? It is always off by two hours (which is the offset from timezone 0.) Do all the various components agree on the timezone and the current time? I.e. if the Windows machine says it's 10am, does the Linux machine also say it's 10am? How about the phone? poc The timezone and the time is set equally on both PCs and phone vidar Original post (not sure if I should attach this, but doing it for including all relevant information): Hello again! I have posted this question before. However I was not used to communicating using mailing lists, so I screwd up the whole issue. Now, trying again! My Linux computer: Linux Mint DE, Update Pack 6 (latest) TimeZone Europe/Oslo, which currently means +2, summer time Time synchronized using NTP Evolution 3.4.4 configured to use system time zone EWS plugin version 3.4.4-1 to Evolution for syncing with office Exchange 2010 server I am also occasionally using Outlook 2010 installed on a Windows 7 pc or in a Virtualbox Windows XP guest on a Linux host. I am also frequently using Outlook Web Access (OWA) since Evolution picks up events entered using my Samsung S3 Android phone wrong. My phone: Samsung S3 Android version 4.1.2 Timezone and time configured to automatically being fetched from the network (which probably means from the nearest cell) Events and appointments entered using both stock SPlanner calendar application and Touchdown for Exchange app. The same sync-problems occur no matter which of these two calendar applications I use for entering appointments. My problem: When entering appointments/events on my phone (using either SPlanner or Touchdown) the appointments drift with two hours when picked up by Evolution. If entering an appointment from 10:00 to 11:00 on the phone, it shows up in Evolution from 8:00 to 9:00. This is how I do it (for reproduction): 1. Enter appointment on phone in Touchdown or SPlanner 2. Initiate sync on phone with office Exchange server (automatic sync causes same problem) 3. Start Evolution on pc 4. Appointment entered on phone shows two hours earlier in Evolution calendar. 5. For checking I have also opened OWA and Outlook, and the appointment shows correctly there I have also checked: - As noted: appointments entered on phone shows correctly in OWA and Outlook - Appointments entered in Evolution syncs correctly to OWA, Outlook and phone - Appointments entered in OWA and Outlook syncs correctly to both phone and Evolution. I have also tried: - Setting timezone to ±0 on the phone. This made all appointments synced from Exchange server showing two hours earlier than correct. Not good... - Setting timezone to ±0 on the PC and/or in Evolution causing Evolution showing all appointments synced from Exchange server two hours earlier than correct. Not good either... Conclusion: - All syncing between Exchange and Evolution work as expected in both directions as long as appointments are entered in OWA, Outlook or Evolution - Appointments entered in OWA, Outlook and Evolution sync as expected TO phone - Appointments entered on phone sync correctly to OWA and Outlook - Appointments entered on phone sync NOT correctly to Evolution (of course with Exchange 2010 server inbetween) - And: I also hava a Samsung Galaxy Tab with Android 4.0.4 in which also appointments sync correctly to OWA and Outlook, but NOT correctly to Evolution First: - Can anybody reproduce this behavior? Second: - Do anybody have some suggestions for solving this issue? I really like Evolution a lot. However, this behavior prevents me from using it since I enter appointments on the phone as often as in Evolution. For now I am forced to use OWA, which I do not like very much... Best regards Vidar Evenrud Seeberg ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Time drifting using Android - Exchange 2010 - Evolution
[cut] Now, trying again! [cut] Post looks great. Check differences between OS and BIOS time set on each machine, including phone, however last one may not be trivial. I do not know Evolution code handles setting appointment incoming from different sources, but I imagine some parts of code may check OS time, wile others can check BIOS time. This would explain time difference from UTC. -- Patryk LeadMan Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Time drifting using Android - Exchange 2010 - Evolution
When you say it drifts do you mean it's exactly 2 hours off, or that it varies by up to 2 hours? It is always off by two hours (which is the offset from timezone 0.) Do all the various components agree on the timezone and the current time? I.e. if the Windows machine says it's 10am, does the Linux machine also say it's 10am? How about the phone? poc The timezone and the time is set equally on both PCs and phone What about the exchange server? Do you have any access to that to see what timezone it is set to? Original post (not sure if I should attach this, but doing it for including all relevant information): No, don't include the original - if you reply to a message to the list, use Ctrl-L (to reply to the list), that will set all the threading parameters properly so your message will appear in context with all the others so there is no need to include the original message. In fact good list / email etiquette is to remove any parts of the message that aren't necessary to the answers you are giving. P. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Time drifting using Android - Exchange 2010 - Evolution
Post looks great. Check differences between OS and BIOS time set on each machine, including phone, however last one may not be trivial. I do not know Evolution code handles setting appointment incoming from different sources, but I imagine some parts of code may check OS time, wile others can check BIOS time. This would explain time difference from UTC. It's unlikely that Evolution (or anything else in user land) will look at the BIOS time - the standard time is the system time and that is (very) easily accessed through standard system calls. P. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Time drifting using Android - Exchange 2010 - Evolution
When entering appointments/events on my phone (using either SPlanner
or Touchdown) the appointments drift with two hours when picked up by
Evolution. If entering an appointment from 10:00 to 11:00 on the
phone, it shows up in Evolution from 8:00 to 9:00. This is how I do it
(for reproduction):
I was just going to say that I too see the issues - but having just
looked at my Exchange/EWS calendar (I don't use it very often) and put
some new items in it, everything looks to be OK. I've certainly seen
things that were and hour off (even all day appointments that went
from 1am to 1am), but they seem to have resolved themselves. I wonder
if an update to Exchange fixed it ('cos I know our Exchange server was
updated recently).
P.
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Re: [Evolution] Time drifting using Android - Exchange 2010 - Evolution
On Wed, 2013-05-29 at 09:48 +, evolution-list-requ...@gnome.org wrote: Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 09:06:06 +0200 From: Patryk Benderz patryk.bend...@esp.pl To: evolution-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [Evolution] Time drifting using Android - Exchange 2010 - Evolution Message-ID: 1369811166.10214.8.camel@esp-patben-lin.espdx1.local Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 [cut] Now, trying again! [cut] Post looks great. Check differences between OS and BIOS time set on each machine, including phone, however last one may not be trivial. I do not know Evolution code handles setting appointment incoming from different sources, but I imagine some parts of code may check OS time, wile others can check BIOS time. This would explain time difference from UTC. I will check this evening. However, one post says Evolution uses System time and not BIOS time. Don't know how to find BIOS time for the phone, but I will google a bit for it -- Patryk LeadMan Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments -- Message: 6 Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 10:15:47 +0100 From: Pete Biggs p...@biggs.org.uk To: evolution-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [Evolution] Time drifting using Android - Exchange 2010 - Evolution Message-ID: 1369818947.27815.4.ca...@snoopy.chem.ox.ac.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-7 When you say it drifts do you mean it's exactly 2 hours off, or that it varies by up to 2 hours? It is always off by two hours (which is the offset from timezone 0.) Do all the various components agree on the timezone and the current time? I.e. if the Windows machine says it's 10am, does the Linux machine also say it's 10am? How about the phone? poc The timezone and the time is set equally on both PCs and phone What about the exchange server? Do you have any access to that to see what timezone it is set to? Our Exchange server is 2010 and the timezone for the server is UTC+1 + summertime, which altogether should be summarized to my computers' and my phone's +2 timezone Original post (not sure if I should attach this, but doing it for including all relevant information): No, don't include the original - if you reply to a message to the list, use Ctrl-L (to reply to the list), that will set all the threading parameters properly so your message will appear in context with all the others so there is no need to include the original message. In fact good list ? email etiquette is to remove any parts of the message that aren't necessary to the answers you are giving. P. Trying to do it right this time... :) -- Message: 7 Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 10:21:45 +0100 From: Pete Biggs p...@biggs.org.uk To: evolution-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [Evolution] Time drifting using Android - Exchange 2010 - Evolution Message-ID: 1369819305.27815.8.ca...@snoopy.chem.ox.ac.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-7 Post looks great. Check differences between OS and BIOS time set on each machine, including phone, however last one may not be trivial. I do not know Evolution code handles setting appointment incoming from different sources, but I imagine some parts of code may check OS time, wile others can check BIOS time. This would explain time difference from UTC. It's unlikely that Evolution (or anything else in user land) will look at the BIOS time - the standard time is the system time and that is (very) easily accessed through standard system calls. P. Could there be Evolution looking at other time information than phone, OWA and Outlook looks at? (Not sure what I am asking about, but could it be more than one time/date field living in Exchange 2010 server, where OWA, Outlook and phone looks at one field while Evolution looks at another)? -- Message: 8 Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 10:47:58 +0100 From: Pete Biggs p...@biggs.org.uk To: evolution-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [Evolution] Time drifting using Android - Exchange 2010 - Evolution Message-ID: 1369820878.27815.19.ca...@snoopy.chem.ox.ac.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-7 When entering appointments?events on my phone (using either SPlanner or Touchdown) the appointments drift with two hours when picked up by Evolution. If entering an appointment from 10:00 to 11:00 on the phone, it shows up in Evolution from 8:00 to 9:00. This is how I do it (for reproduction): I was just going to say that I too see the issues - but having just looked at my Exchange?EWS calendar (I don't use it very often) and put some new items in it, everything looks to be OK. I've certainly seen things that were and hour off (even all day appointments that went from
Re: [Evolution] Time drifting using Android - Exchange 2010 - Evolution
On Wed, 2013-05-29 at 12:35 +0200, Vidar Evenrud Seeberg wrote: Thank you. Comforting to see that it is not just me Our Exchange server is 2010 and the timezone for the server is UTC+1 + summertime, which altogether should be summarized to my computers and my phone's +2 timezone. I will ask the IT management department if there is a possible upgrade up front. Hi, it might be better to start with evolution itself, not with your admins. I suggest to debug what the server returns to you. One UI way is to open the event editor and turn on View-Time zone, then you'll see what time zone is the event at. More core debugging looks like: a) close evolution and all its related processes, namely e-calendar-factory process b) open a terminal and run there the factory with debugging on: $ EWS_DEBUG=2 /usr/libexec/e-calendar-factory -w notes: 1) path on your system can be different; 2) if -2 doesn't work in 3.4, then run it without it). c) enter a new appointment on your phone d) run evolution on another terminal you should see printed new lines on the factory console. I guess if you entered some recognizable summary of the event, then you'll see where it starts. The raw data is important for debugging. e) when the event shows in evolution, right-click it and choose Save..., pick some nice name for it. Open it in a text editor and delete from there anything you'll feel like being personal and/or sensitive data (or just replace it with ). Attach the saved event here, and if you can then also the part from the factory log where the event was received (I'm not sure if it'll be visible at all, if not, then never mind on this). Bye, Milan P.S.: it seems to me that you use message digests on this list, it'll be better to turn that off (follow URL at the very bottom of this and every email on this list), then you can reply to individual messages without breaking threading (and making the message hard to follow, because I was about to discard your whole message after reaching the first reply-part in it). Thanks. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Time drifting using Android - Exchange 2010 - Evolution
On Wed, 2013-05-29 at 08:55 +0200, Vidar Evenrud Seeberg wrote: Den 05/29/2013 04:05 AM, skrev evolution-list-requ...@gnome.org: Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 18:32:01 -0430 From: Patrick O'Callaghan p...@usb.ve To: evolution-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [Evolution] Time drifting using Android - Exchange 2010 - Evolution Message-ID: 1369782121.5616.9.ca...@bree.homelinux.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Thank you for replying, Patric On Tue, 2013-05-28 at 22:15 +0200, Vidar Evenrud Seeberg wrote: When entering appointments/events on my phone (using either SPlanner or Touchdown) the appointments drift with two hours when picked up by Evolution. If entering an appointment from 10:00 to 11:00 on the phone, it shows up in Evolution from 8:00 to 9:00. When you say it drifts do you mean it's exactly 2 hours off, or that it varies by up to 2 hours? It is always off by two hours (which is the offset from timezone 0.) OK Original post (not sure if I should attach this, but doing it for including all relevant information): Definitely not. That's what threading is for. poc ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Time drifting using Android - Exchange 2010 - Evolution
Hi :) I had a problem with all the Windows machines on the company network being 10 minutes off. Only booting machines into Ubuntu gave the correct time. I think it turned out to be something to do with the Windows Server authentication (Kerberos?) whereas all the Ubuntu machines only have local logins on each desktop machine. I'm not sure if that's helpful at all! I hope so tho! Regards from Tom :) ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
[Evolution] Time drifting using Android - Exchange 2010 - Evolution
Hello again! I have posted this question before. However I was not used to communicating using mailing lists, so I screwd up the whole issue. Now, trying again! My Linux computer: Linux Mint DE, Update Pack 6 (latest) TimeZone Europe/Oslo, which currently means +2, summer time Time synchronized using NTP Evolution 3.4.4 configured to use system time zone EWS plugin version 3.4.4-1 to Evolution for syncing with office Exchange 2010 server I am also occasionally using Outlook 2010 installed on a Windows 7 pc or in a Virtualbox Windows XP guest on a Linux host. I am also frequently using Outlook Web Access (OWA) since Evolution picks up events entered using my Samsung S3 Android phone wrong. My phone: Samsung S3 Android version 4.1.2 Timezone and time configured to automatically being fetched from the network (which probably means from the nearest cell) Events and appointments entered using both stock SPlanner calendar application and Touchdown for Exchange app. The same sync-problems occur no matter which of these two calendar applications I use for entering appointments. My problem: When entering appointments/events on my phone (using either SPlanner or Touchdown) the appointments drift with two hours when picked up by Evolution. If entering an appointment from 10:00 to 11:00 on the phone, it shows up in Evolution from 8:00 to 9:00. This is how I do it (for reproduction): 1. Enter appointment on phone in Touchdown or SPlanner 2. Initiate sync on phone with office Exchange server (automatic sync causes same problem) 3. Start Evolution on pc 4. Appointment entered on phone shows two hours earlier in Evolution calendar. 5. For checking I have also opened OWA and Outlook, and the appointment shows correctly there I have also checked: - As noted: appointments entered on phone shows correctly in OWA and Outlook - Appointments entered in Evolution syncs correctly to OWA, Outlook and phone - Appointments entered in OWA and Outlook syncs correctly to both phone and Evolution. I have also tried: - Setting timezone to +/-0 on the phone. This made all appointments synced from Exchange server showing two hours earlier than correct. Not good... - Setting timezone to +/-0 on the PC and/or in Evolution causing Evolution showing all appointments synced from Exchange server two hours earlier than correct. Not good either... Conclusion: - All syncing between Exchange and Evolution work as expected in both directions as long as appointments are entered in OWA, Outlook or Evolution - Appointments entered in OWA, Outlook and Evolution sync as expected TO phone - Appointments entered on phone sync correctly to OWA and Outlook - Appointments entered on phone sync NOT correctly to Evolution (of course with Exchange 2010 server inbetween) - And: I also hava a Samsung Galaxy Tab with Android 4.0.4 in which also appointments sync correctly to OWA and Outlook, but NOT correctly to Evolution First: - Can anybody reproduce this behavior? Second: - Do anybody have some suggestions for solving this issue? I really like Evolution a lot. However, this behavior prevents me from using it since I enter appointments on the phone as often as in Evolution. For now I am forced to use OWA, which I do not like very much... Best regards Vidar Evenrud Seeberg ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Time drifting using Android - Exchange 2010 - Evolution
On Tue, 2013-05-28 at 22:15 +0200, Vidar Evenrud Seeberg wrote: When entering appointments/events on my phone (using either SPlanner or Touchdown) the appointments drift with two hours when picked up by Evolution. If entering an appointment from 10:00 to 11:00 on the phone, it shows up in Evolution from 8:00 to 9:00. When you say it drifts do you mean it's exactly 2 hours off, or that it varies by up to 2 hours? Do all the various components agree on the timezone and the current time? I.e. if the Windows machine says it's 10am, does the Linux machine also say it's 10am? How about the phone? poc ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
