Re: [Evolution] What's New in Evolution 3.6
On Wed, 2012-09-19 at 09:42 -0800, Fred Erickson wrote: On Wed, 2012-09-19 at 10:13 -0400, Matthew Barnes wrote: I've never been very good about posting release announcements, but Evolution 3.6.0 is set to be released next week and it's a pretty big release for us. I just want to thank you and the other developers for all the time and effort put into maintaining and improving Evolution. All us silent users really appreciate it even though we rarely speak up and say anything. +1 Evolution is a great application. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What's New in Evolution 3.6
Dear Matthew, Am Mittwoch, den 19.09.2012, 10:13 -0400 schrieb Matthew Barnes: I've never been very good about posting release announcements, but Evolution 3.6.0 is set to be released next week and it's a pretty big release for us. I just wanted to highlight a couple major changes so you know what to expect. thank you very much for the announcement. Such things are much appreciated. I know they take quite some time to write, but it is time well spent. Hello, WebKit! -- We're in the process of abandoning our ancient HTML renderer (GtkHtml) for WebKit/GTK+. We're spreading this across two releases just because it's such a large workload. Dan Vrátil did most of the WebKit porting and he's an absolute superhero for doing so. Evolution 3.6 will render received mail using WebKit/GTK+. That means HTML mails containing CSS will finally be displayed correctly, since our old HTML renderer had no CSS support. The email composer in Evolution 3.6 will still use GtkHtml, but Dan already has a branch ready to merge which ports the composer to WebKit, so we'll spend the entire 3.7 development cycle testing that and shaking out the bugs in time for Evolution 3.8 next spring. A more official statement than Andre’s reply to my message [1] about the security implications would be nice. Goodbye GConf! -- […] Evolution 3.6 will move your account data to plain text files which live in $HOME/.config/evolution/sources. Evolution-Data-Server 3.6 will also introduce a new D-Bus service which will serve these files to Evolution, GNOME Contacts, GNOME Shell and any other E-D-S client, and also handle various other miscellaneous chores like talking to GNOME Online Accounts and cleaning up old data after you delete an account. It would be great if that migration stuff is a separate so people can test that beforehand for example. Could you please point to some write up in the source or a Wiki explaining the new format. For example also how passwords are stored. […] Smaller Development Team And now for some sad news. Since Evolution 3.4 was released we've had a significant reduction in our development team. SUSE decided to cut all funding of Evolution development and reassigned its (formerly Novell) Evolution developers elsewhere. That leaves just myself, Milan Crha and Dan Vrátil (all Red Hatters). However Dan is in the process transitioning over to Red Hat's KDE team, leaving myself and Milan as the only remaining full time developers for the moment. Red Hat does have an open position in the Brno, Czech Republic office for a new full-time Evolution developer [1], if anyone is interested. Unfortunately this staff reduction caused a few software causalities: * Evolution-GroupWise is now unmaintained and will not see a 3.6 release. The SUSE team had been maintaining this prior to their reassignment, and unfortunately we just don't have adequate resources to keep it going. If anyone would like to take over maintainership, I'd be happy to assist with getting the module back up to speed. * Evolution-Exchange is also cut for the same reasons. That's the old Ximian Connector, which talks to Exchange 2003 via Outlook Web Access but doesn't work with Exchange 2007 or later. For Exchange integration, most of our development focus is now on the Exchange Web Services module (Evolution-EWS), but Evolution-MAPI is still being maintained since it works with Exchange 2003 as well as 2007 and 2010. With only two full-time developers left, we just felt that maintaining three different Microsoft Exchange backends was getting ridiculous and was not the best use of our time. Are the reasons of SUSE known? Do there customers not use Evolution or if they do, they do not use Microsoft Exchange? Additionally are there any software company providing Evolution support? No worries though, we will soldier on. I wish you the best. Thanks, Paul [1] http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2012/09/13/interested-in-joining-the-red-hat-desktop-team-here-in-brno/ [2] https://mail.gnome.org/archives/evolution-list/2012-August/msg00115.html signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What's New in Evolution 3.6
Could you please point to some write up in the source or a Wiki explaining the new format. For example also how passwords are stored. Passwords have not been stored by Evolution for a while - the gnome-keyring is used. Presumably (hopefully?) that hasn't changed. Much as I think the devs are capable of dealing with it, but there is a perfectly usable alternative coded by people who are experts in safe/encrypted storage and I would prefer they spend their (v. limited) time dealing with Evolution rather than re-inventing things. P. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What's New in Evolution 3.6
On Thu, 2012-09-20 at 10:03 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote: Could you please point to some write up in the source or a Wiki explaining the new format. For example also how passwords are stored. Passwords have not been stored by Evolution for a while - the gnome-keyring is used. Presumably (hopefully?) that hasn't changed. It hasn't. Note though that gnome-keyring (and KWallet in KDE) will get replaced by cross-desktop libsecret in the future. andre -- mailto:ak...@gmx.net http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What's New in Evolution 3.6
On Thu, 2012-09-20 at 10:45 +0200, Paul Menzel wrote: Evolution 3.6 will move your account data to plain text files which live in $HOME/.config/evolution/sources. Evolution-Data-Server 3.6 will also introduce a new D-Bus service which will serve these files to Evolution, GNOME Contacts, GNOME Shell and any other E-D-S client, and also handle various other miscellaneous chores like talking to GNOME Online Accounts and cleaning up old data after you delete an account. It would be great if that migration stuff is a separate so people can test that beforehand for example. Not sure if I understand. Separate from what? How would testing beforehand get easier by separating something? andre -- mailto:ak...@gmx.net http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What's New in Evolution 3.6
On Thu, 2012-09-20 at 10:45 +0200, Paul Menzel wrote: Could you please point to some write up in the source or a Wiki explaining the new format. For example also how passwords are stored. Here's an overview of the new file format: https://live.gnome.org/Evolution/ESourceFileFormat Passwords will remain in GNOME-Keyring / KWallet / whatever else implements the FreeDesktop Secret Service API. Matthew Barnes ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What's New in Evolution 3.6
On Wed, 2012-09-19 at 20:28 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Wed, 2012-09-19 at 10:13 -0400, Matthew Barnes wrote: Evolution 3.6 will move your account data to plain text files which live in $HOME/.config/evolution/sources. I think I speak for all of us when I say: woohoo! Yes. Yay! -- Knowledge Is Power Power Corrupts Study Hard Be Evil signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What's New in Evolution 3.6
El mié, 19-09-2012 a las 09:42 -0800, Fred Erickson escribió: On Wed, 2012-09-19 at 10:13 -0400, Matthew Barnes wrote: I've never been very good about posting release announcements, but Evolution 3.6.0 is set to be released next week and it's a pretty big release for us. I just want to thank you and the other developers for all the time and effort put into maintaining and improving Evolution. All us silent users really appreciate it even though we rarely speak up and say anything. Fred ___ Totally agree. Thanks very much to all! Lailah signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
[Evolution] What's New in Evolution 3.6
I've never been very good about posting release announcements, but Evolution 3.6.0 is set to be released next week and it's a pretty big release for us. I just wanted to highlight a couple major changes so you know what to expect. Hello, WebKit! -- We're in the process of abandoning our ancient HTML renderer (GtkHtml) for WebKit/GTK+. We're spreading this across two releases just because it's such a large workload. Dan Vrátil did most of the WebKit porting and he's an absolute superhero for doing so. Evolution 3.6 will render received mail using WebKit/GTK+. That means HTML mails containing CSS will finally be displayed correctly, since our old HTML renderer had no CSS support. The email composer in Evolution 3.6 will still use GtkHtml, but Dan already has a branch ready to merge which ports the composer to WebKit, so we'll spend the entire 3.7 development cycle testing that and shaking out the bugs in time for Evolution 3.8 next spring. Goodbye GConf! -- Evolution mostly moved from GConf to dconf (aka GSettings) in 3.4, but account settings were still kept in GConf in those nasty XML blobs that everyone hates, including myself. This is because I was taking my sweet time to finish a complete overhaul of our account storage format, which I had actually started all the way back in the GNOME 2.32 era. Evolution 3.6 will move your account data to plain text files which live in $HOME/.config/evolution/sources. Evolution-Data-Server 3.6 will also introduce a new D-Bus service which will serve these files to Evolution, GNOME Contacts, GNOME Shell and any other E-D-S client, and also handle various other miscellaneous chores like talking to GNOME Online Accounts and cleaning up old data after you delete an account. WARNING: Because our data migration is always one-way only (forward), and because Evolution 3.4 does not know the new account storage format or the new storage location in 3.6, downgrading from 3.6 back to 3.4 is going to be problematic. Similar to when we moved files from $HOME/.evolution to the standard XDG base directories back in 2.32, downgrading from 3.6 won't technically lose your account settings, but older versions won't be able to find them. So be aware of this. Smaller Development Team And now for some sad news. Since Evolution 3.4 was released we've had a significant reduction in our development team. SUSE decided to cut all funding of Evolution development and reassigned its (formerly Novell) Evolution developers elsewhere. That leaves just myself, Milan Crha and Dan Vrátil (all Red Hatters). However Dan is in the process transitioning over to Red Hat's KDE team, leaving myself and Milan as the only remaining full time developers for the moment. Red Hat does have an open position in the Brno, Czech Republic office for a new full-time Evolution developer [1], if anyone is interested. Unfortunately this staff reduction caused a few software causalities: * Evolution-GroupWise is now unmaintained and will not see a 3.6 release. The SUSE team had been maintaining this prior to their reassignment, and unfortunately we just don't have adequate resources to keep it going. If anyone would like to take over maintainership, I'd be happy to assist with getting the module back up to speed. * Evolution-Exchange is also cut for the same reasons. That's the old Ximian Connector, which talks to Exchange 2003 via Outlook Web Access but doesn't work with Exchange 2007 or later. For Exchange integration, most of our development focus is now on the Exchange Web Services module (Evolution-EWS), but Evolution-MAPI is still being maintained since it works with Exchange 2003 as well as 2007 and 2010. With only two full-time developers left, we just felt that maintaining three different Microsoft Exchange backends was getting ridiculous and was not the best use of our time. No worries though, we will soldier on. Matthew Barnes [1] http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2012/09/13/interested-in-joining-the-red-hat-desktop-team-here-in-brno/ ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What's New in Evolution 3.6
On Wed, 2012-09-19 at 10:13 -0400, Matthew Barnes wrote: * Evolution-Exchange is also cut for the same reasons. That's the old Ximian Connector, which talks to Exchange 2003 via Outlook Web Access but doesn't work with Exchange 2007 or later. Any idea/preference what to do with its 222 open bug reports? Should the Evolution Exchange Bugzilla product be closed for new bug entry? If so, please file a Bugzilla ticket against bugzilla.gnome.org. Should the git repository at http://git.gnome.org/browse/evolution-exchange be archived? If so, please file a Bugzilla ticket against sysadmin/git. Should http://l10n.gnome.org/module/evolution-exchange/ be moved to the obsolete category? If so, please file a ticket against website/l10n.gnome.org. Thanks, andre -- mailto:ak...@gmx.net http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What's New in Evolution 3.6
On Wed, 2012-09-19 at 10:13 -0400, Matthew Barnes wrote: I've never been very good about posting release announcements, but Evolution 3.6.0 is set to be released next week and it's a pretty big release for us. I just want to thank you and the other developers for all the time and effort put into maintaining and improving Evolution. All us silent users really appreciate it even though we rarely speak up and say anything. Fred ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What's New in Evolution 3.6
--- On Wed, 19/9/12, Fred Erickson fredferick...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 2012-09-19 at 10:13 -0400, Matthew Barnes wrote: I've never been very good about posting release announcements, but Evolution 3.6.0 is set to be released next week and it's a pretty big release for us. I just want to thank you and the other developers for all the time and effort put into maintaining and improving Evolution. All us silent users really appreciate it even though we rarely speak up and say anything. Fred Hi :) +1 I don't use Evolution yet because i need web-based email system and i'm only a pointclick user. However all my colleagues use Outlook and (committed MS, Adobe and Oracle fans) so it is good to see there is a drop-in alternative. I copied the announcement to a couple of LibreOffice lists in the hope that a few people from there might be interested in bug-testing. Of all the announcements and press-releases i have suffered through recently i appreciated Matthew's honesty and friendliness the most. It's an excellent announcement. Good luck and regards from Tom :) ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What's New in Evolution 3.6
On Wed, 2012-09-19 at 10:13 -0400, Matthew Barnes wrote: Evolution 3.6 will move your account data to plain text files which live in $HOME/.config/evolution/sources. I think I speak for all of us when I say: woohoo! Thanks for all your efforts Matt, and that goes for Milan as well. You guys are the best. poc ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
