Re: [Evolution] infinitive wait for network events

2013-07-09 Thread Eugene
I upgraded to 3.8.3 with F19 and network timeout problems got even worse.

Marking mailbox as copy folder locally for offline operation stopped taking 
any effect whatsoever.
No message with attachments is loading, staying on Retrieving message 
'nn' forever. The same message has already been loaded previously with 
3.6.4. Did local storage format change?

Eugene.

07.05.2013, 21:25, Adam Tauno Williams awill...@whitemice.org:
 On Tue, 2013-05-07 at 21:51 -0400, Eugene wrote:

  On 05/06/2013 05:51 AM, Pete Biggs wrote:
  For many releases, including the latest in Fedora 18
  Please give version numbers for Evolution, not the distro you use - not
  everyone uses the same distro so they don't know which versions you are
  talking about.
  F18 is 3.6.4
  I've noticing that evolution does not handle network delays properly.
  It will spin in wait state indefinitely. Please see included
  screenshot. I wonder how to diagnose and prevent infinitive waits. The
  only way to end the process is to to brute force kill signals.
  This has been talked about before on this list.  Yes, it is a known
  issue, but I seem to remember that the solution requires some other work
  to be done first.  My experience of the issue is that many of the
  problems stem from looking up contacts on a remote service (so that Evo
  can decide if it's going to try and display images from the network) -
  it's not the LDAP code itself that's the problem, more the type of
  traffic that LDAP generates.  So try enabling Never load images from
  the Internet (you can always explicitly load them with Ctrl-I) to see
  if it makes it any better.
  If it is a well known problem I am surprised it is not yet fixed.

 I believe it is fixed, but not on your version [which is not the current
 version]. 3.6.x certainly had some connection management issues, at
 least with HTML messages, and especially behind a proxy server.  I have
 not need these issues on 3.8.x.

  Not sure about LDAP but load images is not enabled.

 I do not recall ever seeing connection issues regarding LDAP.

   Regardless, if any
  network operation takes more then reasonable time it should either abort
  itself or allow user to abort it.

 Agree.

  Main reason I started this thread is to seek diagnostic help as I
  clearly stated in my question. I apologize if inline attachment caused
  problems.

 It didn't cause any problems, and was fine by me.  There are just some
 people here you are grumpy about attachments [although they use an
 excellent mail client that handles them gracefully ;) ].

  I've been using evolution since early betas and the only reason I still
  on it because sometimes I must use redirect feature that is missing in
  thunderbird. But amount of daily problems caused by unhanded timeouts
  and other glitches makes me question myself if fighting constant issues
  really worth the trouble

 If you see constant connection issues and loading of messages for HTML
 messages is disabled... I suspect there might be something else wrong in
 addition.  It was annoying in 3.6.x, but certainly not debilitating.
 Any chance there is an overloaded NAT involved that is prematurely
 terminating your connections? [Die NAT Die!  All hail IPv6, our
 deliverer!]

 Have your tried running with CAMEL_DEBUG enabled and see if that
 enlightens you about anything
 https://live.gnome.org/Evolution/Debugging?

 But, seriously, 3.8.x is a *MUCH* better Evolution.  3.6.x Evolution and
 GNOME were pretty good. 3.8.x is excellent and very solid.  I know
 nothing about Fedora [at this point you would have to drag me away from
 openSUSE in chains - it just @*$*@^* WORKS!] but certainly they
 provide some reasonable way to update to the latest  * * *STABLE* * *
 version of GNOME.

 Did I mention that 3.8.x is the current * * *STABLE* * * version of
 GNOME. If I didn't, I should have.

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Re: [Evolution] infinitive wait for network events

2013-07-09 Thread Pete Biggs

 I upgraded to 3.8.3 with F19 and network timeout problems got even worse.
 
 Marking mailbox as copy folder locally for offline operation stopped
 taking any effect whatsoever.
 No message with attachments is loading, staying on Retrieving message
 'nn' forever. 

Have you followed the debugging hints at 

  https://projects.gnome.org/evolution/bugs.shtml

Running Evo from the command line with CAMEL_DEBUG=all might give you
sufficient hints as to where the problem is.  Alternatively, getting a
backtrace when Evo is stuck will give those that know about such things
sufficient info to tell you what it is doing at the time.

P.

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Re: [Evolution] infinitive wait for network events

2013-05-08 Thread Pete Biggs

 
 I've been using evolution since early betas and the only reason I still 
 on it because sometimes I must use redirect feature that is missing in 
 thunderbird. 

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/mailredirect/

P.

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Re: [Evolution] infinitive wait for network events

2013-05-08 Thread Pete Biggs

 
  Not sure about LDAP but load images is not enabled.
 
 I do not recall ever seeing connection issues regarding LDAP.

The mention of LDAP came from me - most of the connection issues I had
were solved when I stopped Evo from looking up contacts in my remote
LDAP address book to see if it should display images.  The LDAP address
book on its own was fine; the loading of images was fine if I didn't
have the LDAP setup; but the two of them together gave lots of problems.

  Main reason I started this thread is to seek diagnostic help as I 
  clearly stated in my question. I apologize if inline attachment caused 
  problems.
 
 It didn't cause any problems, and was fine by me.  There are just some
 people here you are grumpy about attachments [although they use an
 excellent mail client that handles them gracefully ;) ].

But it wasn't an attachment, it was in-line text; and Evo didn't handle
it at all, let alone gracefully; it just displayed the uuencoded data.

P.

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Re: [Evolution] infinitive wait for network events

2013-05-08 Thread Eugene

On 05/08/2013 04:31 AM, Pete Biggs wrote:

I've been using evolution since early betas and the only reason I still
on it because sometimes I must use redirect feature that is missing in
thunderbird.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/mailredirect/

Does not appear to work anymore and hasn't been updated for a while.
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Re: [Evolution] infinitive wait for network events

2013-05-07 Thread Eugene

On 05/06/2013 05:51 AM, Pete Biggs wrote:

For many releases, including the latest in Fedora 18

Please give version numbers for Evolution, not the distro you use - not
everyone uses the same distro so they don't know which versions you are
talking about.

F18 is 3.6.4

I've noticing that evolution does not handle network delays properly.
It will spin in wait state indefinitely. Please see included
screenshot. I wonder how to diagnose and prevent infinitive waits. The
only way to end the process is to to brute force kill signals.

This has been talked about before on this list.  Yes, it is a known
issue, but I seem to remember that the solution requires some other work
to be done first.  My experience of the issue is that many of the
problems stem from looking up contacts on a remote service (so that Evo
can decide if it's going to try and display images from the network) -
it's not the LDAP code itself that's the problem, more the type of
traffic that LDAP generates.  So try enabling Never load images from
the Internet (you can always explicitly load them with Ctrl-I) to see
if it makes it any better.


If it is a well known problem I am surprised it is not yet fixed. Not 
sure about LDAP but load images is not enabled. Regardless, if any 
network operation takes more then reasonable time it should either abort 
itself or allow user to abort it.


I this case clicking on the red circle next to stuck network operation 
does not make any effect on the stuck network operation! Several 
releases ago clicking on the red circle always terminated stuck network 
operation.


Main reason I started this thread is to seek diagnostic help as I 
clearly stated in my question. I apologize if inline attachment caused 
problems.


I've been using evolution since early betas and the only reason I still 
on it because sometimes I must use redirect feature that is missing in 
thunderbird. But amount of daily problems caused by unhanded timeouts 
and other glitches makes me question myself if fighting constant issues 
really worth the trouble


Eugene.

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Re: [Evolution] infinitive wait for network events

2013-05-07 Thread Adam Tauno Williams
On Tue, 2013-05-07 at 21:51 -0400, Eugene wrote:
 On 05/06/2013 05:51 AM, Pete Biggs wrote:
  For many releases, including the latest in Fedora 18
  Please give version numbers for Evolution, not the distro you use - not
  everyone uses the same distro so they don't know which versions you are
  talking about.
 F18 is 3.6.4
  I've noticing that evolution does not handle network delays properly.
  It will spin in wait state indefinitely. Please see included
  screenshot. I wonder how to diagnose and prevent infinitive waits. The
  only way to end the process is to to brute force kill signals.
  This has been talked about before on this list.  Yes, it is a known
  issue, but I seem to remember that the solution requires some other work
  to be done first.  My experience of the issue is that many of the
  problems stem from looking up contacts on a remote service (so that Evo
  can decide if it's going to try and display images from the network) -
  it's not the LDAP code itself that's the problem, more the type of
  traffic that LDAP generates.  So try enabling Never load images from
  the Internet (you can always explicitly load them with Ctrl-I) to see
  if it makes it any better.
 If it is a well known problem I am surprised it is not yet fixed.

I believe it is fixed, but not on your version [which is not the current
version]. 3.6.x certainly had some connection management issues, at
least with HTML messages, and especially behind a proxy server.  I have
not need these issues on 3.8.x.

 Not sure about LDAP but load images is not enabled.

I do not recall ever seeing connection issues regarding LDAP.

  Regardless, if any 
 network operation takes more then reasonable time it should either abort 
 itself or allow user to abort it.

Agree.


 Main reason I started this thread is to seek diagnostic help as I 
 clearly stated in my question. I apologize if inline attachment caused 
 problems.

It didn't cause any problems, and was fine by me.  There are just some
people here you are grumpy about attachments [although they use an
excellent mail client that handles them gracefully ;) ].

 I've been using evolution since early betas and the only reason I still 
 on it because sometimes I must use redirect feature that is missing in 
 thunderbird. But amount of daily problems caused by unhanded timeouts 
 and other glitches makes me question myself if fighting constant issues 
 really worth the trouble

If you see constant connection issues and loading of messages for HTML
messages is disabled... I suspect there might be something else wrong in
addition.  It was annoying in 3.6.x, but certainly not debilitating.
Any chance there is an overloaded NAT involved that is prematurely
terminating your connections? [Die NAT Die!  All hail IPv6, our
deliverer!]

Have your tried running with CAMEL_DEBUG enabled and see if that
enlightens you about anything
https://live.gnome.org/Evolution/Debugging?

But, seriously, 3.8.x is a *MUCH* better Evolution.  3.6.x Evolution and
GNOME were pretty good. 3.8.x is excellent and very solid.  I know
nothing about Fedora [at this point you would have to drag me away from
openSUSE in chains - it just @*$*@^* WORKS!] but certainly they
provide some reasonable way to update to the latest  * * *STABLE* * *
version of GNOME.  

Did I mention that 3.8.x is the current * * *STABLE* * * version of
GNOME. If I didn't, I should have.




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Re: [Evolution] infinitive wait for network events

2013-05-07 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2013-05-07 at 22:24 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
 But, seriously, 3.8.x is a *MUCH* better Evolution.  3.6.x Evolution
 and GNOME were pretty good. 3.8.x is excellent and very solid.  I know
 nothing about Fedora

The current release of Fedora (F18) supports Evo 3.6. F19 will support
Evo 3.8 when it comes out in the next month or two.

poc

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Re: [Evolution] infinitive wait for network events

2013-05-06 Thread Pete Biggs

 
 I appreciate your response. However the purpose of this list is to
 make evolution mail client behave property, utilizing any form of bug
 reports available.

Err, no.  The purpose of *this* list is to help people with Evolution -
the people who do help (like POC and many others) do so in their spare
time and, to be honest, anything that puts a barrier in the way doesn't
really encourage us to do anything.

 I suppose the image delivery method should not stop any knowledgeable
 programmer from opening it. Granted, it would take more then one click
 to see the image

I'm a sysadmin and programmer, and know how to decode encoded things,
but its not something I need to do very often. Hence in order to deal
with your image I need to install the tools necessary, cut and paste
the data into a file, run that file through the decoder, open an image
viewer, find and click on the image, then I might know what you are
talking about.  Yes, it would take more than one click.

  but inline encoding guarantees that the image is present in archives

So would having it as an attached image.

  forever and isn't at mercy of third party image hosting service.

Sometimes we get people who don't know how (or don't think it's
important) to reduce the size of an image and the mailing list software
rejects the message as too big - then putting on a third party site is
the only alternative (and PasteBin isn't an image hosting service).

P.



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Re: [Evolution] infinitive wait for network events

2013-05-06 Thread Pete Biggs

 For many releases, including the latest in Fedora 18 

Please give version numbers for Evolution, not the distro you use - not
everyone uses the same distro so they don't know which versions you are
talking about.

 I've noticing that evolution does not handle network delays properly.
 It will spin in wait state indefinitely. Please see included
 screenshot. I wonder how to diagnose and prevent infinitive waits. The
 only way to end the process is to to brute force kill signals.

This has been talked about before on this list.  Yes, it is a known
issue, but I seem to remember that the solution requires some other work
to be done first.  My experience of the issue is that many of the
problems stem from looking up contacts on a remote service (so that Evo
can decide if it's going to try and display images from the network) -
it's not the LDAP code itself that's the problem, more the type of
traffic that LDAP generates.  So try enabling Never load images from
the Internet (you can always explicitly load them with Ctrl-I) to see
if it makes it any better.

P.



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Re: [Evolution] infinitive wait for network events

2013-05-06 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sun, 2013-05-05 at 23:33 -0500, Eugene wrote:
 I suppose the image delivery method should not stop any knowledgeable
 programmer from opening it.

What makes you think that all, or even most, of the members of this list
are programmers? If you want to reach Evo developers, this is not the
best way to do it. The Evolution Hackers list may be better.

And if you are asking for help, making people jump through hoops before
they can even understand the question is a losing proposition.

poc

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Re: [Evolution] infinitive wait for network events

2013-05-06 Thread Thomas Prost
Am Sonntag, den 05.05.2013, 23:33 -0500 schrieb Eugene: 
 Hi Patrick,
 
 I appreciate your response. However the purpose of this list is to make
 evolution mail client behave property, utilizing any form of bug
 reports available. I suppose the image delivery method should not stop
 any knowledgeable programmer from opening it. Granted, it would take
 more then one click to see the image but inline encoding guarantees
 that the image is present in archives forever and isn't at mercy of

I haven't been able to see any image here ???
What I see:
begin-base64 664 EvoForever.png
iVBORw0KGgoNSUhEUgAABZYkCAIAAACVNviJA3NCSVQICAjb
4U/gGXRFWHRTb2Z0d2FyZQBnbm9tZS1zY3JlZW5zaG907wO/PgAAHM5J

and so on for maybe 200 lines :-(

Is here something wrong ?
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Re: [Evolution] infinitive wait for network events

2013-05-06 Thread Andre Klapper
On Mon, 2013-05-06 at 18:06 +0200, Thomas Prost wrote:
 I haven't been able to see any image here ???
 Is here something wrong ?

No, it was just not sent as an attachment file, but encoded and inline.
See previous emails in this thread.

andre
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Re: [Evolution] infinitive wait for network events

2013-05-06 Thread Adam Tauno Williams
On Sun, 2013-05-05 at 23:33 -0500, Eugene wrote:
 Hi Patrick,
 I appreciate your response. However the purpose of this list is to make 
 evolution mail client behave property, utilizing any form of bug reports 
 available.
 I suppose the image delivery method should not stop any knowledgeable 
 programmer from opening it. Granted, it would take more then one click to see 
 the image but inline encoding guarantees that the image is present in 
 archives forever and isn't at mercy of third party image hosting service.

+1  I *despise* pastebin services;  they just created disassociated
content.

But images can be attached to bugs, and bug referenced by links.

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Re: [Evolution] infinitive wait for network events

2013-05-06 Thread Adam Tauno Williams
On Mon, 2013-05-06 at 10:51 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote:
  For many releases, including the latest in Fedora 18 
 Please give version numbers for Evolution, not the distro you use

+1

  - not
 everyone uses the same distro so they don't know which versions you are
 talking about.

Even people using the same version of the same distro may be using
different versions of *applications*

  I've noticing that evolution does not handle network delays properly.
  It will spin in wait state indefinitely. Please see included
  screenshot. I wonder how to diagnose and prevent infinitive waits. The
  only way to end the process is to to brute force kill signals.

  netstat --verbose --program --numeric --tcp

That should show network connections.

 This has been talked about before on this list.  Yes, it is a known
 issue, but I seem to remember that the solution requires some other work
 to be done first.  My experience of the issue is that many of the
 problems stem from looking up contacts on a remote service (so that Evo
 can decide if it's going to try and display images from the network) -
 it's not the LDAP code itself that's the problem, more the type of
 traffic that LDAP generates.  So try enabling Never load images from
 the Internet (you can always explicitly load them with Ctrl-I) to see
 if it makes it any better.

Wasn't load-images issues resolved in 3.8.x?  At least the issue
relating the proxy servers [I thought the webkit message component fixed
that].

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Re: [Evolution] infinitive wait for network events

2013-05-06 Thread Pete Biggs

  This has been talked about before on this list.  Yes, it is a known
  issue, but I seem to remember that the solution requires some other work
  to be done first.  My experience of the issue is that many of the
  problems stem from looking up contacts on a remote service (so that Evo
  can decide if it's going to try and display images from the network) -
  it's not the LDAP code itself that's the problem, more the type of
  traffic that LDAP generates.  So try enabling Never load images from
  the Internet (you can always explicitly load them with Ctrl-I) to see
  if it makes it any better.
 
 Wasn't load-images issues resolved in 3.8.x?  At least the issue
 relating the proxy servers [I thought the webkit message component fixed
 that].
 
Yeah, but Fedora 18 has Gnome 3.6 and hence Evo 3.6.4 (currently).

P.

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[Evolution] infinitive wait for network events

2013-05-05 Thread Eugene
For many releases, including the latest in Fedora 18 I've noticing that 
evolution does not handle network delays properly. It will spin in wait state 
indefinitely. Please see included screenshot. I wonder how to diagnose and 
prevent infinitive waits. The only way to end the process is to to brute force 
kill signals.

Eugene.

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Re: [Evolution] infinitive wait for network events

2013-05-05 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sun, 2013-05-05 at 13:53 -0500, Eugene wrote:
 For many releases, including the latest in Fedora 18 I've noticing
 that evolution does not handle network delays properly. It will spin
 in wait state indefinitely. Please see included screenshot. I wonder
 how to diagnose and prevent infinitive waits. The only way to end the
 process is to to brute force kill signals.
 
 Eugene.
 
 begin-base64 664 EvoForever.png
 iVBORw0KGgoNSUhEUgAABZYkCAIAAACVNviJA3NCSVQICAjb
 4U/gGXRFWHRTb2Z0d2FyZQBnbm9tZS1zY3JlZW5zaG907wO/PgAAHM5J

Please:

1) Learn how to send screenshots in email for when you need to do that
(hint: send as an attachment),

BUT

2) Don't send screenshots directly to the list but to pastebin.com or a
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Re: [Evolution] infinitive wait for network events

2013-05-05 Thread Eugene
Hi Patrick,

I appreciate your response. However the purpose of this list is to make 
evolution mail client behave property, utilizing any form of bug reports 
available.
I suppose the image delivery method should not stop any knowledgeable 
programmer from opening it. Granted, it would take more then one click to see 
the image but inline encoding guarantees that the image is present in archives 
forever and isn't at mercy of third party image hosting service.

Eugene.

05.05.2013, 14:20, Patrick O'Callaghan p...@usb.ve:
 Please:

 1) Learn how to send screenshots in email for when you need to do that
 (hint: send as an attachment),

 BUT

 2) Don't send screenshots directly to the list but to pastebin.com or a
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