[ewg] Re: [ofa-general] Re: RFC OFED-1.3 installation

2007-07-17 Thread Roland Dreier
It seems to me that this is all stemming from the same old fundamental
confusion between a release and a distribution.  I think everyone
would be better served by a process where individual maintainers were
responsible for releasing tarballs of their packages, with schedules
coordinated toward an overall openfabrics release (see
http://live.gnome.org/TwoPointNineteen for hints about a process that
might work), and then an OFED team handled spec files and kernel
module packaging for various distros.

In this world I would expect Doug could just take tarballs from the
openfabrics world and not be bothered by the OFED RPM spec files
(unless he wants to use them as a reference).

To summarize, there would be two separate products:

 - openfabrics release:
 format: .tar.gz files
 customers: OFED, Red Hat/Novell/Debian/etc packagers

 - OFED release:
 format: .srpm and binary .rpm files
 customers: end users who need newer drivers than their distribution 
includes

 - R.
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[ewg] RE: [ofa-general] Re: RFC OFED-1.3 installation

2007-07-17 Thread Sean Hefty
I think everyone
would be better served by a process where individual maintainers were
responsible for releasing tarballs of their packages, with schedules
coordinated toward an overall openfabrics release

For what it's worth, I agree with this approach.

- Sean
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[ewg] RE: [ofa-general] Re: RFC OFED-1.3 installation

2007-07-17 Thread Scott Weitzenkamp \(sweitzen\)
  So you need to be able to
  tell the difference between a customer running libibverbs-1.0.4 from
  OFED-1.3-beta1 and libibverbs-1.0.4 from OFED-1.3 final.
 
 I don't really think we want customers to run beta code, or 
 intend to support
 such configurations.

But we still need to tell the difference, so we can tell the customer
they are running beta code and should upgrade.

Scott
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[ewg] RE: [ofa-general] Re: RFC OFED-1.3 installation

2007-07-17 Thread Scott Weitzenkamp \(sweitzen\)

I don't really think we want customers to run beta code
  
  What's the point of a beta then??
 
 Donnu.
 In previous OFED releases, we had release candidates rather 
 than beta.
 Openfabrics members were running RCs and reporting issues on 
 the list and in
 bugzilla. Do you really ask your customers to do this for you?

You say toMAYto, I say toMAHto.

We had many customers running various OFED 1.2 pre-GA builds for
testing, sometimes we had to use a daily build because of certain bug
fixes.

Scott
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[ewg] Re: [ofa-general] Re: RFC OFED-1.3 installation

2007-07-17 Thread Roland Dreier
   I think it's easy enough to make the revision of the RPMS be something
   like -0.1.2007-07-17.1 or something like that.
  
  OK, so you say just ignore the content and stick a date in there?
  Fine, that'll work, and we can cover the RCs this way too I think.

I just meant to add a revision that encodes the daily build if you
want to do daily builds.  So you could have libibverbs RPMs with
version 1.1.2-0.1.2007-07-17.1 or whatever, and then do 1.1.2-0.2.beta1
and 1.1.2-1 final.

 - R.
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[ewg] Re: [ofa-general] Re: RFC OFED-1.3 installation

2007-07-17 Thread Doug Ledford
On Wed, 2007-07-18 at 00:09 +0300, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
  Quoting Roland Dreier [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  Subject: Re: [ofa-general] Re: RFC OFED-1.3 installation
  
I don't really think we want customers to run beta code
  
  What's the point of a beta then??
 
 Donnu.
 In previous OFED releases, we had release candidates rather than beta.
 Openfabrics members were running RCs and reporting issues on the list and in
 bugzilla. Do you really ask your customers to do this for you?

Sure, as much as possible.  I generally don't recommend using it in
production, but just as close as they can get to production is fine with
me.  The more issues they find while I'm still actually working on it
and making new revisions, the less issues they'll find after I stupidly
think I'm done.

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