RE: average lifespan server
Depends on server configuration and load..etc..etc -Original Message- From: Kim Schotanus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:55 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject:average lifespan server Hi, how long do you generally use the following servers before replacing them: 1. mailserver 2. PDC 3. BDC 4. Database servers tx, Kim _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: average lifespan server
how do you deal with your accounting department? They can't grasp it that a machine is worthless as a server after three years... -Original Message- From: Irfan Malik [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 24 January, 2002 10:53 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: average lifespan server Depends on server configuration and load..etc..etc -Original Message- From: Kim Schotanus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:55 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject:average lifespan server Hi, how long do you generally use the following servers before replacing them: 1. mailserver 2. PDC 3. BDC 4. Database servers tx, Kim _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: average lifespan server
-Original Message- From: Kim Schotanus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 24 January 2002 10:00 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: average lifespan server how do you deal with your accounting department? They can't grasp it that a machine is worthless as a server after three years... They don't? As much as I hate our whiny beancounters, they are actually pretty good here at understanding computers depreciate in value to the point of probably needing replacement after 3 years. -- This e-mail is intended for the addressee shown. It contains information that is confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review, dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by persons or unauthorized employees of the intended organisations is strictly prohibited. The contents of this email do not necessarily represent the views or policies of Luton Sixth Form College, its employees or students. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: average lifespan server
Till I need to. -Original Message- From: Kim Schotanus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 4:55 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: average lifespan server Hi, how long do you generally use the following servers before replacing them: 1. mailserver 2. PDC 3. BDC 4. Database servers tx, Kim _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The information contained in this email message is privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copy of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify Veronis Suhler Stevenson by telephone (212)935-4990, fax (212)381-8168, or email ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) and delete the message. Thank you. == _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: average lifespan server
Kim, A server is only worthless after 3 years if the load on it has outgrown it's capacity, or it's becoming difficult to maintain the hardware. We have several machines around 5 years old, happily running along doing their jobs. One of my mottos is 'if it ain't broke don't fix (or replace) it'. Mike Scott -Original Message- From: Kim Schotanus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 24 January 2002 10:00 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: average lifespan server how do you deal with your accounting department? They can't grasp it that a machine is worthless as a server after three years... -Original Message- From: Irfan Malik [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 24 January, 2002 10:53 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: average lifespan server Depends on server configuration and load..etc..etc -Original Message- From: Kim Schotanus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:55 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject:average lifespan server Hi, how long do you generally use the following servers before replacing them: 1. mailserver 2. PDC 3. BDC 4. Database servers tx, Kim _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: average lifespan server
-Original Message- From: Mike Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 24 January 2002 13:29 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: average lifespan server Kim, A server is only worthless after 3 years if the load on it has outgrown it's capacity, or it's becoming difficult to maintain the hardware. We have several machines around 5 years old, happily running along doing their jobs. One of my mottos is 'if it ain't broke don't fix (or replace) it'. I'd agree with that, and we've put it into practice here, but with the speed the hardware market is moving now, 3 years is almost certainly enough time for any replacement hardware to have disappeared off the shelves and become difficult to source. If it's important enough to be on a decent server platform in the first place, its probably important enough that you can't afford it to be offline two weeks because no one makes power supply fans that shape any more. That's not to say that you should automatically scrap stuff after that time, but rather, that you just need to keep an eye on the situation for maintenance on systems like that. -- This e-mail is intended for the addressee shown. It contains information that is confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review, dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by persons or unauthorized employees of the intended organisations is strictly prohibited. The contents of this email do not necessarily represent the views or policies of Luton Sixth Form College, its employees or students. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: average lifespan server
Our two main fleservers are up for replacement but accounting sees it differently 'as they are only three years old', but I do not want to support those anymore because they carry too much weight in this organisation. To replace HDD's takes two weeks for deliver so I don't even dare to think about that power supply example. Kim -Original Message- From: Robert Moir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 24 January, 2002 2:40 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: average lifespan server -Original Message- From: Mike Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 24 January 2002 13:29 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: average lifespan server Kim, A server is only worthless after 3 years if the load on it has outgrown it's capacity, or it's becoming difficult to maintain the hardware. We have several machines around 5 years old, happily running along doing their jobs. One of my mottos is 'if it ain't broke don't fix (or replace) it'. I'd agree with that, and we've put it into practice here, but with the speed the hardware market is moving now, 3 years is almost certainly enough time for any replacement hardware to have disappeared off the shelves and become difficult to source. If it's important enough to be on a decent server platform in the first place, its probably important enough that you can't afford it to be offline two weeks because no one makes power supply fans that shape any more. That's not to say that you should automatically scrap stuff after that time, but rather, that you just need to keep an eye on the situation for maintenance on systems like that. -- This e-mail is intended for the addressee shown. It contains information that is confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review, dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by persons or unauthorized employees of the intended organisations is strictly prohibited. The contents of this email do not necessarily represent the views or policies of Luton Sixth Form College, its employees or students. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: average lifespan server
I would disagree with that as well... PC's yes. Servers, no. Say you have a mail server that is no longer up to the job, Well, that could make a nice file server now. An old file server could become a DC or a DNS server. It is all about specs. Our servers are a year old and most of them are shot. The guy before me underspeced everything (he only thought about getting the cheapest stuff possible), and now we have no disk space, not enough CPU, etc. Same with PC's and they are all falling apart after a year and a half. But at my last company, my NEW email server was 3 years old and had been spec'd well and the config was more than up to the task. I buy servers to last a MINIMUM of 3 years. -Original Message- From: Kim Schotanus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:00 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: average lifespan server how do you deal with your accounting department? They can't grasp it that a machine is worthless as a server after three years... -Original Message- From: Irfan Malik [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 24 January, 2002 10:53 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: average lifespan server Depends on server configuration and load..etc..etc -Original Message- From: Kim Schotanus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:55 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject:average lifespan server Hi, how long do you generally use the following servers before replacing them: 1. mailserver 2. PDC 3. BDC 4. Database servers tx, Kim _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: average lifespan server
So write a docco detailing the lead times on parts/service. Ask the accounts dept for their figure for what it costs the business each day if email were not available (e.g. number of messages thru the IMS multiply by cost of postage stamp) along with any other pertinent factors and give it to them. Let them make the decision based on true facts. Then if it goes pear shaped it ain't your fault. See? :) Dom. -Original Message- From: Kim Schotanus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 24 January 2002 13:49 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: average lifespan server Our two main fleservers are up for replacement but accounting sees it differently 'as they are only three years old', but I do not want to support those anymore because they carry too much weight in this organisation. To replace HDD's takes two weeks for deliver so I don't even dare to think about that power supply example. Kim -Original Message- From: Robert Moir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 24 January, 2002 2:40 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: average lifespan server -Original Message- From: Mike Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 24 January 2002 13:29 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: average lifespan server Kim, A server is only worthless after 3 years if the load on it has outgrown it's capacity, or it's becoming difficult to maintain the hardware. We have several machines around 5 years old, happily running along doing their jobs. One of my mottos is 'if it ain't broke don't fix (or replace) it'. I'd agree with that, and we've put it into practice here, but with the speed the hardware market is moving now, 3 years is almost certainly enough time for any replacement hardware to have disappeared off the shelves and become difficult to source. If it's important enough to be on a decent server platform in the first place, its probably important enough that you can't afford it to be offline two weeks because no one makes power supply fans that shape any more. That's not to say that you should automatically scrap stuff after that time, but rather, that you just need to keep an eye on the situation for maintenance on systems like that. -- This e-mail is intended for the addressee shown. It contains information that is confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review, dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by persons or unauthorized employees of the intended organisations is strictly prohibited. The contents of this email do not necessarily represent the views or policies of Luton Sixth Form College, its employees or students. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: average lifespan server
As an accountant once told me Sometimes a company has to feel pain before it opens the pocketbooks. In other words, sometimes things have to fail first before the company opens its eyes. Then they feel the pain of not being able to access data for a week while you wait for that replacement drive and they suddenly realize what you were talking about. When I started my new job, I said everything needed to be replaced and they thought I was high, now management is coming to me asking about replacements:) -Original Message- From: Kim Schotanus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 5:49 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: average lifespan server Our two main fleservers are up for replacement but accounting sees it differently 'as they are only three years old', but I do not want to support those anymore because they carry too much weight in this organisation. To replace HDD's takes two weeks for deliver so I don't even dare to think about that power supply example. Kim -Original Message- From: Robert Moir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 24 January, 2002 2:40 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: average lifespan server -Original Message- From: Mike Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 24 January 2002 13:29 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: average lifespan server Kim, A server is only worthless after 3 years if the load on it has outgrown it's capacity, or it's becoming difficult to maintain the hardware. We have several machines around 5 years old, happily running along doing their jobs. One of my mottos is 'if it ain't broke don't fix (or replace) it'. I'd agree with that, and we've put it into practice here, but with the speed the hardware market is moving now, 3 years is almost certainly enough time for any replacement hardware to have disappeared off the shelves and become difficult to source. If it's important enough to be on a decent server platform in the first place, its probably important enough that you can't afford it to be offline two weeks because no one makes power supply fans that shape any more. That's not to say that you should automatically scrap stuff after that time, but rather, that you just need to keep an eye on the situation for maintenance on systems like that. -- This e-mail is intended for the addressee shown. It contains information that is confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review, dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by persons or unauthorized employees of the intended organisations is strictly prohibited. The contents of this email do not necessarily represent the views or policies of Luton Sixth Form College, its employees or students. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: average lifespan server
I remember someone around here not too long ago was speccing for 10 yrs... :) -Original Message- From: Robert Moir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 6:38 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: average lifespan server -Original Message- From: Kim Schotanus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 24 January 2002 10:00 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: average lifespan server how do you deal with your accounting department? They can't grasp it that a machine is worthless as a server after three years... They don't? As much as I hate our whiny beancounters, they are actually pretty good here at understanding computers depreciate in value to the point of probably needing replacement after 3 years. -- This e-mail is intended for the addressee shown. It contains information that is confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review, dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by persons or unauthorized employees of the intended organisations is strictly prohibited. The contents of this email do not necessarily represent the views or policies of Luton Sixth Form College, its employees or students. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: average lifespan server
Yes, but that person had no clue on real life in IT, and also reneged on that claim when I pressed them to provide one example of a server they had that was that old still running in a production. The original question requires more parameters. Were they inquiring about the general life span of a server? Or perhaps about the GAAP for depreciation of servers. Was this for real world planning or budgeting purposes? Perhaps they are looking for some best practices which might include reassigning functionality (from file server to a BDC/DC to MP3 archive server) of a box as it ages. If it the accounting department that can't grasp that a 3 year depreciation schedule is appropriate rather than a 5 year schedule, they need some education. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 7:15 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: average lifespan server I remember someone around here not too long ago was speccing for 10 yrs... :) -Original Message- From: Robert Moir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 6:38 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: average lifespan server -Original Message- From: Kim Schotanus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 24 January 2002 10:00 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: average lifespan server how do you deal with your accounting department? They can't grasp it that a machine is worthless as a server after three years... They don't? As much as I hate our whiny beancounters, they are actually pretty good here at understanding computers depreciate in value to the point of probably needing replacement after 3 years. -- This e-mail is intended for the addressee shown. It contains information that is confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review, dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by persons or unauthorized employees of the intended organisations is strictly prohibited. The contents of this email do not necessarily represent the views or policies of Luton Sixth Form College, its employees or students. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: average lifespan server
yeah, but how do you educate them? Thing is: a large scale refurbishment of the building is planned but I'm gonna have to defend a budget for IT. They don't even want to fork out for decent cabling If I have some best practices to back me up then at least I have something to say... K/ -Original Message- From: Doug Hampshire [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 24 January, 2002 4:34 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: average lifespan server Yes, but that person had no clue on real life in IT, and also reneged on that claim when I pressed them to provide one example of a server they had that was that old still running in a production. The original question requires more parameters. Were they inquiring about the general life span of a server? Or perhaps about the GAAP for depreciation of servers. Was this for real world planning or budgeting purposes? Perhaps they are looking for some best practices which might include reassigning functionality (from file server to a BDC/DC to MP3 archive server) of a box as it ages. If it the accounting department that can't grasp that a 3 year depreciation schedule is appropriate rather than a 5 year schedule, they need some education. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 7:15 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: average lifespan server I remember someone around here not too long ago was speccing for 10 yrs... :) -Original Message- From: Robert Moir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 6:38 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: average lifespan server -Original Message- From: Kim Schotanus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 24 January 2002 10:00 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: average lifespan server how do you deal with your accounting department? They can't grasp it that a machine is worthless as a server after three years... They don't? As much as I hate our whiny beancounters, they are actually pretty good here at understanding computers depreciate in value to the point of probably needing replacement after 3 years. -- This e-mail is intended for the addressee shown. It contains information that is confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review, dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by persons or unauthorized employees of the intended organisations is strictly prohibited. The contents of this email do not necessarily represent the views or policies of Luton Sixth Form College, its employees or students. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: average lifespan server
When I was at Cerner, it was a 6 year depreciation schedule. -Original Message- From: Doug Hampshire [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 7:34 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: average lifespan server Yes, but that person had no clue on real life in IT, and also reneged on that claim when I pressed them to provide one example of a server they had that was that old still running in a production. The original question requires more parameters. Were they inquiring about the general life span of a server? Or perhaps about the GAAP for depreciation of servers. Was this for real world planning or budgeting purposes? Perhaps they are looking for some best practices which might include reassigning functionality (from file server to a BDC/DC to MP3 archive server) of a box as it ages. If it the accounting department that can't grasp that a 3 year depreciation schedule is appropriate rather than a 5 year schedule, they need some education. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 7:15 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: average lifespan server I remember someone around here not too long ago was speccing for 10 yrs... :) -Original Message- From: Robert Moir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 6:38 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: average lifespan server -Original Message- From: Kim Schotanus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 24 January 2002 10:00 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: average lifespan server how do you deal with your accounting department? They can't grasp it that a machine is worthless as a server after three years... They don't? As much as I hate our whiny beancounters, they are actually pretty good here at understanding computers depreciate in value to the point of probably needing replacement after 3 years. -- This e-mail is intended for the addressee shown. It contains information that is confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review, dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by persons or unauthorized employees of the intended organisations is strictly prohibited. The contents of this email do not necessarily represent the views or policies of Luton Sixth Form College, its employees or students. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: average lifespan server
10yrs? are they nutz? This is an easy one Lease for 3yrs. This pretty much assures of hardware replacement as obsolescence occurs and accounting loves leasing effects on the cash flows. The 3yr term just happens to match most manufactures' warranty period so you never have to worry about not being covered. There is additional data available on the mean time failure rates of hard drives, controller cards etc as well that can be used to justify hardware replacement within a 3-4 year interval as well. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Are you saying all my servers are worthless? - Original Message - From: Kim Schotanus [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 1:59 AM Subject: RE: average lifespan server how do you deal with your accounting department? They can't grasp it that a machine is worthless as a server after three years... -Original Message- From: Irfan Malik [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 24 January, 2002 10:53 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: average lifespan server Depends on server configuration and load..etc..etc -Original Message- From: Kim Schotanus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:55 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: average lifespan server Hi, how long do you generally use the following servers before replacing them: 1. mailserver 2. PDC 3. BDC 4. Database servers tx, Kim _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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mine sure are, if they don't live up to the needs, then to me they are worthless. Kim -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 24 January, 2002 5:25 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: average lifespan server Are you saying all my servers are worthless? - Original Message - From: Kim Schotanus [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 1:59 AM Subject: RE: average lifespan server how do you deal with your accounting department? They can't grasp it that a machine is worthless as a server after three years... -Original Message- From: Irfan Malik [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 24 January, 2002 10:53 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: average lifespan server Depends on server configuration and load..etc..etc -Original Message- From: Kim Schotanus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:55 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: average lifespan server Hi, how long do you generally use the following servers before replacing them: 1. mailserver 2. PDC 3. BDC 4. Database servers tx, Kim _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Ah yes, one must count on always having to defend one's budget. I would actually worry if I didn't have to defend it. Not knowing how you are set up or how big you are, I'll make some general pointers here. Usually it's up to a manager/director/CIO to ultimately defend the budget. And this needs to be done at the highest levels of the accounting department, don't waste your time with the hirelings. On an office move/rebuild, the decision to perform such a task should not be finalized until feedback from all departments on the cost/impact of the move is factored in. It's not like there is a good/better/best selection for cabling, like you are picking an Earl Schibe paint job for your car. There is an absolute minimum requirement and specification for a cable plant. Yes there might be some nice extras you could include, but below a certain point it is not supportable. The one case where the above doesn't fly is when you are a fairly small company and the owner has a cousin who knows this guy named Chewy who can do the job for .20 on the dollar of what a real cable contractor would charge. You can't win there, you pitch your case to the boss and then let him make the decision. Working in a small company requires that you accept that there of lots of decisions that may not seem wise, especially in the long run. But then again sometimes that is the only way a small/new company can survive and grow. Being that Intas appears to be heavily involved in the scientific, research, and project communities, they should understand a proper presentation of costs, risks, expected outcomes, etc. -Original Message- From: Kim Schotanus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 7:44 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: average lifespan server yeah, but how do you educate them? Thing is: a large scale refurbishment of the building is planned but I'm gonna have to defend a budget for IT. They don't even want to fork out for decent cabling If I have some best practices to back me up then at least I have something to say... K/ -Original Message- From: Doug Hampshire [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 24 January, 2002 4:34 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: average lifespan server Yes, but that person had no clue on real life in IT, and also reneged on that claim when I pressed them to provide one example of a server they had that was that old still running in a production. The original question requires more parameters. Were they inquiring about the general life span of a server? Or perhaps about the GAAP for depreciation of servers. Was this for real world planning or budgeting purposes? Perhaps they are looking for some best practices which might include reassigning functionality (from file server to a BDC/DC to MP3 archive server) of a box as it ages. If it the accounting department that can't grasp that a 3 year depreciation schedule is appropriate rather than a 5 year schedule, they need some education. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 7:15 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: average lifespan server I remember someone around here not too long ago was speccing for 10 yrs... :) -Original Message- From: Robert Moir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 6:38 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: average lifespan server -Original Message- From: Kim Schotanus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 24 January 2002 10:00 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: average lifespan server how do you deal with your accounting department? They can't grasp it that a machine is worthless as a server after three years... They don't? As much as I hate our whiny beancounters, they are actually pretty good here at understanding computers depreciate in value to the point of probably needing replacement after 3 years. -- This e-mail is intended for the addressee shown. It contains information that is confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review, dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by persons or unauthorized employees of the intended organisations is strictly prohibited. The contents of this email do not necessarily represent the views or policies of Luton Sixth Form College, its employees or students. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED
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I think we're talking about worthless from an accounting perspective. Most asset accounting methods consider a depreciation scale of 3 years for most computer hardware, so after 3 years, the product has no asset value - in accounting terms, it is then worthless. They are still usable, but they aren't necessarily worth anything. Roger -- Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE Senior Systems Administrator Peregrine Systems Atlanta, GA http://www.peregrine.com -Original Message- From: Mike Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 8:29 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: average lifespan server Kim, A server is only worthless after 3 years if the load on it has outgrown it's capacity, or it's becoming difficult to maintain the hardware. We have several machines around 5 years old, happily running along doing their jobs. One of my mottos is 'if it ain't broke don't fix (or replace) it'. Mike Scott -Original Message- From: Kim Schotanus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 24 January 2002 10:00 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: average lifespan server how do you deal with your accounting department? They can't grasp it that a machine is worthless as a server after three years... -Original Message- From: Irfan Malik [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 24 January, 2002 10:53 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: average lifespan server Depends on server configuration and load..etc..etc -Original Message- From: Kim Schotanus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:55 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: average lifespan server Hi, how long do you generally use the following servers before replacing them: 1. mailserver 2. PDC 3. BDC 4. Database servers tx, Kim _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ __ This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk __ __ _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Well, of course. That is totally different than your previous sentence. My quad IBM Pentium Pro 1GB RAM is almost 5 years old. There is no need to replace it. Clearly if your hardware is falling short, then that needs to be documented to justify the need. Storage issues? Throughput issues? Processor cramps? Memory maxed? Perfmon logs can help here. But you know that. William - Original Message - From: Kim Schotanus [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 8:40 AM Subject: RE: average lifespan server mine sure are, if they don't live up to the needs, then to me they are worthless. Kim -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 24 January, 2002 5:25 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: average lifespan server Are you saying all my servers are worthless? - Original Message - From: Kim Schotanus [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 1:59 AM Subject: RE: average lifespan server how do you deal with your accounting department? They can't grasp it that a machine is worthless as a server after three years... -Original Message- From: Irfan Malik [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 24 January, 2002 10:53 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: average lifespan server Depends on server configuration and load..etc..etc -Original Message- From: Kim Schotanus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:55 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: average lifespan server Hi, how long do you generally use the following servers before replacing them: 1. mailserver 2. PDC 3. BDC 4. Database servers tx, Kim _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Agreed, just because a machine is worthless to the bean counters doesn't it make it so in reality. I would look on the warranty side of things for critical servers. If I can no longer get 4 hour on site service, 7 days a week I can't use a machine for critical functions but it may be perfectly useful for a host of other functions even if it was spec'ed right and can still perform the function it was purchased for. Ed Smits -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:48 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: average lifespan server Well, of course. That is totally different than your previous sentence. My quad IBM Pentium Pro 1GB RAM is almost 5 years old. There is no need to replace it. Clearly if your hardware is falling short, then that needs to be documented to justify the need. Storage issues? Throughput issues? Processor cramps? Memory maxed? Perfmon logs can help here. But you know that. William _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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S don't tell anyone. I run my Exchange5.5 backups using NTBackup on a P166 w/ 32MB RAM. - Original Message - From: Ed Smits [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 9:46 AM Subject: RE: average lifespan server Agreed, just because a machine is worthless to the bean counters doesn't it make it so in reality. I would look on the warranty side of things for critical servers. If I can no longer get 4 hour on site service, 7 days a week I can't use a machine for critical functions but it may be perfectly useful for a host of other functions even if it was spec'ed right and can still perform the function it was purchased for. Ed Smits -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:48 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: average lifespan server Well, of course. That is totally different than your previous sentence. My quad IBM Pentium Pro 1GB RAM is almost 5 years old. There is no need to replace it. Clearly if your hardware is falling short, then that needs to be documented to justify the need. Storage issues? Throughput issues? Processor cramps? Memory maxed? Perfmon logs can help here. But you know that. William _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I think my toaster is faster than that! ___ John Bowles Exchange Administrator Enterprise Support Engineering Celera Genomics [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:55 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: average lifespan server S don't tell anyone. I run my Exchange5.5 backups using NTBackup on a P166 w/ 32MB RAM. - Original Message - From: Ed Smits [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 9:46 AM Subject: RE: average lifespan server Agreed, just because a machine is worthless to the bean counters doesn't it make it so in reality. I would look on the warranty side of things for critical servers. If I can no longer get 4 hour on site service, 7 days a week I can't use a machine for critical functions but it may be perfectly useful for a host of other functions even if it was spec'ed right and can still perform the function it was purchased for. Ed Smits -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:48 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: average lifespan server Well, of course. That is totally different than your previous sentence. My quad IBM Pentium Pro 1GB RAM is almost 5 years old. There is no need to replace it. Clearly if your hardware is falling short, then that needs to be documented to justify the need. Storage issues? Throughput issues? Processor cramps? Memory maxed? Perfmon logs can help here. But you know that. William _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: average lifespan server
My exchange (5.5 SP4) server runs on Pentium 300Mhz/256Mb/20Gb (RAID 5), it is 4 year old Compaq Proliant machine and works great . -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:55 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: average lifespan server S don't tell anyone. I run my Exchange5.5 backups using NTBackup on a P166 w/ 32MB RAM. - Original Message - From: Ed Smits [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 9:46 AM Subject: RE: average lifespan server Agreed, just because a machine is worthless to the bean counters doesn't it make it so in reality. I would look on the warranty side of things for critical servers. If I can no longer get 4 hour on site service, 7 days a week I can't use a machine for critical functions but it may be perfectly useful for a host of other functions even if it was spec'ed right and can still perform the function it was purchased for. Ed Smits -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:48 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: average lifespan server Well, of course. That is totally different than your previous sentence. My quad IBM Pentium Pro 1GB RAM is almost 5 years old. There is no need to replace it. Clearly if your hardware is falling short, then that needs to be documented to justify the need. Storage issues? Throughput issues? Processor cramps? Memory maxed? Perfmon logs can help here. But you know that. William _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Mine tend to get replaced when they crash and not a minute before. We have the Iron Gauntlet of Purchasing here too. -Original Message- From: Kim Schotanus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 4:00 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: average lifespan server how do you deal with your accounting department? They can't grasp it that a machine is worthless as a server after three years... -Original Message- From: Irfan Malik [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 24 January, 2002 10:53 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: average lifespan server Depends on server configuration and load..etc..etc -Original Message- From: Kim Schotanus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:55 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject:average lifespan server Hi, how long do you generally use the following servers before replacing them: 1. mailserver 2. PDC 3. BDC 4. Database servers tx, Kim _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I run SMS on a dual p-180!! It's over 5 years old but I don't want to replace it; he runs like a champ. -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:55 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: average lifespan server S don't tell anyone. I run my Exchange5.5 backups using NTBackup on a P166 w/ 32MB RAM. - Original Message - From: Ed Smits [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 9:46 AM Subject: RE: average lifespan server Agreed, just because a machine is worthless to the bean counters doesn't it make it so in reality. I would look on the warranty side of things for critical servers. If I can no longer get 4 hour on site service, 7 days a week I can't use a machine for critical functions but it may be perfectly useful for a host of other functions even if it was spec'ed right and can still perform the function it was purchased for. Ed Smits -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:48 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: average lifespan server Well, of course. That is totally different than your previous sentence. My quad IBM Pentium Pro 1GB RAM is almost 5 years old. There is no need to replace it. Clearly if your hardware is falling short, then that needs to be documented to justify the need. Storage issues? Throughput issues? Processor cramps? Memory maxed? Perfmon logs can help here. But you know that. William _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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See what you can get for one on eBay. Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP Tech Consultant Compaq Computer There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of William Lefkovics Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 8:25 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: average lifespan server Are you saying all my servers are worthless? - Original Message - From: Kim Schotanus [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 1:59 AM Subject: RE: average lifespan server how do you deal with your accounting department? They can't grasp it that a machine is worthless as a server after three years... -Original Message- From: Irfan Malik [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 24 January, 2002 10:53 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: average lifespan server Depends on server configuration and load..etc..etc -Original Message- From: Kim Schotanus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:55 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: average lifespan server Hi, how long do you generally use the following servers before replacing them: 1. mailserver 2. PDC 3. BDC 4. Database servers tx, Kim _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Plan for three years. Consider anything beyond that to be gravy. Accountants should understand the concept of depreciation and useful life. Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP Tech Consultant Compaq Computer There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Kim Schotanus Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 1:55 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: average lifespan server Hi, how long do you generally use the following servers before replacing them: 1. mailserver 2. PDC 3. BDC 4. Database servers tx, Kim _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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And if you sell a fully depreciated asset for something, that something represents a taxable gain. Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP Tech Consultant Compaq Computer There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Roger Seielstad Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 8:45 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: average lifespan server I think we're talking about worthless from an accounting perspective. Most asset accounting methods consider a depreciation scale of 3 years for most computer hardware, so after 3 years, the product has no asset value - in accounting terms, it is then worthless. They are still usable, but they aren't necessarily worth anything. Roger -- Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE Senior Systems Administrator Peregrine Systems Atlanta, GA http://www.peregrine.com -Original Message- From: Mike Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 8:29 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: average lifespan server Kim, A server is only worthless after 3 years if the load on it has outgrown it's capacity, or it's becoming difficult to maintain the hardware. We have several machines around 5 years old, happily running along doing their jobs. One of my mottos is 'if it ain't broke don't fix (or replace) it'. Mike Scott -Original Message- From: Kim Schotanus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 24 January 2002 10:00 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: average lifespan server how do you deal with your accounting department? They can't grasp it that a machine is worthless as a server after three years... -Original Message- From: Irfan Malik [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 24 January, 2002 10:53 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: average lifespan server Depends on server configuration and load..etc..etc -Original Message- From: Kim Schotanus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:55 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: average lifespan server Hi, how long do you generally use the following servers before replacing them: 1. mailserver 2. PDC 3. BDC 4. Database servers tx, Kim _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ __ This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk __ __ _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: average lifespan server
Financial depreciation often has limited relationship to real-life useful life, however. Depreciation is a cost recovery method, but deferring a capital purchase is beneficial if it doesn't cost you more in maintenance and reduced function. Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP Tech Consultant Compaq Computer There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Doug Hampshire Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 7:34 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: average lifespan server Yes, but that person had no clue on real life in IT, and also reneged on that claim when I pressed them to provide one example of a server they had that was that old still running in a production. The original question requires more parameters. Were they inquiring about the general life span of a server? Or perhaps about the GAAP for depreciation of servers. Was this for real world planning or budgeting purposes? Perhaps they are looking for some best practices which might include reassigning functionality (from file server to a BDC/DC to MP3 archive server) of a box as it ages. If it the accounting department that can't grasp that a 3 year depreciation schedule is appropriate rather than a 5 year schedule, they need some education. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 7:15 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: average lifespan server I remember someone around here not too long ago was speccing for 10 yrs... :) -Original Message- From: Robert Moir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 6:38 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: average lifespan server -Original Message- From: Kim Schotanus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 24 January 2002 10:00 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: average lifespan server how do you deal with your accounting department? They can't grasp it that a machine is worthless as a server after three years... They don't? As much as I hate our whiny beancounters, they are actually pretty good here at understanding computers depreciate in value to the point of probably needing replacement after 3 years. -- This e-mail is intended for the addressee shown. It contains information that is confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review, dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by persons or unauthorized employees of the intended organisations is strictly prohibited. The contents of this email do not necessarily represent the views or policies of Luton Sixth Form College, its employees or students. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
