RE: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk

2002-12-20 Thread Ed Crowley
Disabling Out Of Office is different from disabling Forwards or Replies.
You can restrict to the Internet the following:

- Out of office, which restricts the one-time-only notification
messages, which typically do not cause mail loops because they're one
time only.

- Forwards and replies (forwards by registry setting only in Exchange
5.5), which apply to Inbox Assistant, Rules Wizard and Out Of Office
rules.

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I
Tech Consultant
hp Services
Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!


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Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 6:13 AM
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Subject: RE: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk


You're exactly right..that's what happened.  I just didn't want to go
into explaining all of that.  But we cannot as mail administrators rely
on our users to use this feature correctly.  You're just setting
yourself up for trouble.

__
John Bowles
Exchange Administrator
Enterprise Support  Engineering
Celera Genomics
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 


-Original Message-
From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 9:10 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk


OOFs generally do not cause mail loops unless you are unwisely using a
rule.

- Original Message -
From: Bowles, John L. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 9:08 AM
Subject: RE: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk


I finally got my manager to allow me to turn this feature off.  I've
been telling her that this will leave us vulnerable for possible mail
loops.  And wouldn't you know it...we had one and she was like..you're
right.  Please turn that off.  I don't think it's a good idea just for
that fact.  Cause it's a nightmare trying to fix a mail loop.

__
John Bowles
Exchange Administrator
Enterprise Support  Engineering
Celera Genomics
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



-Original Message-
From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 11:35 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk


My company allows them to go out.  I don't use the feature at all.

Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP
Technical Consultant
hp Services
There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems.


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Daniel Chenault
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 4:11 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk


On a technical list I'm on that concerns Exchange (among other things)
someone forwarded to the list someone's OOF from a major company. From
his name and location the person found his address on the web. Since his
OOF said he'd be gone for two weeks, out of town on vacation, he
essentially is telling the whole world his house is unattended and ripe
for picking.

Bad idea. It's just a bad idea.

- Original Message -
From: Archie Call [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:01 PM
Subject: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk


 Our company is proposing that we allow the Ouut Oof Offfice feature to

 be turned on for Internet Mail in Exchange 5.5.  I have seen comments
 on this newsgroup discussing many security reasons for not doing this!

 I have looked in the PDF file but am have diffculty locating this
 discussion.  I remember someone who wrote a little story that was very

 convincing.

 The downsides I see are: potential for mail looping (bugs in Exchange
 or Mailbox filled up); you tell the cyber crooks that you are gone and

 your house can be robbed; you tell the spammer they have a valid
 address; much increased mail traffic especially during a virus 
 outbreat; you send numerous messages to everyone in a ListServer.

 If anyone has anything to add here, it would be greatly appreciated.

 ...Archie Call

 Note: I misspelled OOO so as not trigger your filter.

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RE: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk

2002-12-19 Thread Bowles, John L.
I finally got my manager to allow me to turn this feature off.  I've
been telling her that this will leave us vulnerable for possible mail
loops.  And wouldn't you know it...we had one and she was like..you're
right.  Please turn that off.  I don't think it's a good idea just for
that fact.  Cause it's a nightmare trying to fix a mail loop.

__
John Bowles
Exchange Administrator
Enterprise Support  Engineering
Celera Genomics
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 


-Original Message-
From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 11:35 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk


My company allows them to go out.  I don't use the feature at all.

Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP
Technical Consultant
hp Services
There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems.


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Daniel Chenault
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 4:11 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk


On a technical list I'm on that concerns Exchange (among other things)
someone forwarded to the list someone's OOF from a major company. From
his name and location the person found his address on the web. Since his
OOF said he'd be gone for two weeks, out of town on vacation, he
essentially is telling the whole world his house is unattended and ripe
for picking.

Bad idea. It's just a bad idea.

- Original Message -
From: Archie Call [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:01 PM
Subject: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk


 Our company is proposing that we allow the Ouut Oof Offfice feature to

 be turned on for Internet Mail in Exchange 5.5.  I have seen comments
 on this newsgroup discussing many security reasons for not doing this!

 I have looked in the PDF file but am have diffculty locating this
 discussion.  I remember someone who wrote a little story that was very

 convincing.

 The downsides I see are: potential for mail looping (bugs in Exchange
 or Mailbox filled up); you tell the cyber crooks that you are gone and

 your house can be robbed; you tell the spammer they have a valid
 address; much increased mail traffic especially during a virus 
 outbreat; you send numerous messages to everyone in a ListServer.

 If anyone has anything to add here, it would be greatly appreciated.

 ...Archie Call

 Note: I misspelled OOO so as not trigger your filter.

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Re: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk

2002-12-19 Thread Andy David
OOFs generally do not cause mail loops unless you are unwisely using a rule.

- Original Message -
From: Bowles, John L. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 9:08 AM
Subject: RE: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk


I finally got my manager to allow me to turn this feature off.  I've
been telling her that this will leave us vulnerable for possible mail
loops.  And wouldn't you know it...we had one and she was like..you're
right.  Please turn that off.  I don't think it's a good idea just for
that fact.  Cause it's a nightmare trying to fix a mail loop.

__
John Bowles
Exchange Administrator
Enterprise Support  Engineering
Celera Genomics
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



-Original Message-
From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 11:35 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk


My company allows them to go out.  I don't use the feature at all.

Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP
Technical Consultant
hp Services
There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems.


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Daniel Chenault
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 4:11 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk


On a technical list I'm on that concerns Exchange (among other things)
someone forwarded to the list someone's OOF from a major company. From
his name and location the person found his address on the web. Since his
OOF said he'd be gone for two weeks, out of town on vacation, he
essentially is telling the whole world his house is unattended and ripe
for picking.

Bad idea. It's just a bad idea.

- Original Message -
From: Archie Call [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:01 PM
Subject: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk


 Our company is proposing that we allow the Ouut Oof Offfice feature to

 be turned on for Internet Mail in Exchange 5.5.  I have seen comments
 on this newsgroup discussing many security reasons for not doing this!

 I have looked in the PDF file but am have diffculty locating this
 discussion.  I remember someone who wrote a little story that was very

 convincing.

 The downsides I see are: potential for mail looping (bugs in Exchange
 or Mailbox filled up); you tell the cyber crooks that you are gone and

 your house can be robbed; you tell the spammer they have a valid
 address; much increased mail traffic especially during a virus
 outbreat; you send numerous messages to everyone in a ListServer.

 If anyone has anything to add here, it would be greatly appreciated.

 ...Archie Call

 Note: I misspelled OOO so as not trigger your filter.

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RE: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk

2002-12-19 Thread Bowles, John L.
You're exactly right..that's what happened.  I just didn't want to go
into explaining all of that.  But we cannot as mail administrators rely
on our users to use this feature correctly.  You're just setting
yourself up for trouble.

__
John Bowles
Exchange Administrator
Enterprise Support  Engineering
Celera Genomics
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 


-Original Message-
From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 9:10 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk


OOFs generally do not cause mail loops unless you are unwisely using a
rule.

- Original Message -
From: Bowles, John L. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 9:08 AM
Subject: RE: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk


I finally got my manager to allow me to turn this feature off.  I've
been telling her that this will leave us vulnerable for possible mail
loops.  And wouldn't you know it...we had one and she was like..you're
right.  Please turn that off.  I don't think it's a good idea just for
that fact.  Cause it's a nightmare trying to fix a mail loop.

__
John Bowles
Exchange Administrator
Enterprise Support  Engineering
Celera Genomics
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



-Original Message-
From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 11:35 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk


My company allows them to go out.  I don't use the feature at all.

Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP
Technical Consultant
hp Services
There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems.


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Daniel Chenault
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 4:11 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk


On a technical list I'm on that concerns Exchange (among other things)
someone forwarded to the list someone's OOF from a major company. From
his name and location the person found his address on the web. Since his
OOF said he'd be gone for two weeks, out of town on vacation, he
essentially is telling the whole world his house is unattended and ripe
for picking.

Bad idea. It's just a bad idea.

- Original Message -
From: Archie Call [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:01 PM
Subject: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk


 Our company is proposing that we allow the Ouut Oof Offfice feature to

 be turned on for Internet Mail in Exchange 5.5.  I have seen comments 
 on this newsgroup discussing many security reasons for not doing this!

 I have looked in the PDF file but am have diffculty locating this 
 discussion.  I remember someone who wrote a little story that was very

 convincing.

 The downsides I see are: potential for mail looping (bugs in Exchange 
 or Mailbox filled up); you tell the cyber crooks that you are gone and

 your house can be robbed; you tell the spammer they have a valid 
 address; much increased mail traffic especially during a virus 
 outbreat; you send numerous messages to everyone in a ListServer.

 If anyone has anything to add here, it would be greatly appreciated.

 ...Archie Call

 Note: I misspelled OOO so as not trigger your filter.

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Re: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk

2002-12-19 Thread Andy David
Deny auto-replies to the Internet and you wont have to worry about users
setting it up incorrectly.



- Original Message -
From: Bowles, John L. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 9:13 AM
Subject: RE: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk


You're exactly right..that's what happened.  I just didn't want to go
into explaining all of that.  But we cannot as mail administrators rely
on our users to use this feature correctly.  You're just setting
yourself up for trouble.

__
John Bowles
Exchange Administrator
Enterprise Support  Engineering
Celera Genomics
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



-Original Message-
From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 9:10 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk


OOFs generally do not cause mail loops unless you are unwisely using a
rule.

- Original Message -
From: Bowles, John L. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 9:08 AM
Subject: RE: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk


I finally got my manager to allow me to turn this feature off.  I've
been telling her that this will leave us vulnerable for possible mail
loops.  And wouldn't you know it...we had one and she was like..you're
right.  Please turn that off.  I don't think it's a good idea just for
that fact.  Cause it's a nightmare trying to fix a mail loop.

__
John Bowles
Exchange Administrator
Enterprise Support  Engineering
Celera Genomics
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



-Original Message-
From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 11:35 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk


My company allows them to go out.  I don't use the feature at all.

Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP
Technical Consultant
hp Services
There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems.


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Daniel Chenault
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 4:11 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk


On a technical list I'm on that concerns Exchange (among other things)
someone forwarded to the list someone's OOF from a major company. From
his name and location the person found his address on the web. Since his
OOF said he'd be gone for two weeks, out of town on vacation, he
essentially is telling the whole world his house is unattended and ripe
for picking.

Bad idea. It's just a bad idea.

- Original Message -
From: Archie Call [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:01 PM
Subject: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk


 Our company is proposing that we allow the Ouut Oof Offfice feature to

 be turned on for Internet Mail in Exchange 5.5.  I have seen comments
 on this newsgroup discussing many security reasons for not doing this!

 I have looked in the PDF file but am have diffculty locating this
 discussion.  I remember someone who wrote a little story that was very

 convincing.

 The downsides I see are: potential for mail looping (bugs in Exchange
 or Mailbox filled up); you tell the cyber crooks that you are gone and

 your house can be robbed; you tell the spammer they have a valid
 address; much increased mail traffic especially during a virus
 outbreat; you send numerous messages to everyone in a ListServer.

 If anyone has anything to add here, it would be greatly appreciated.

 ...Archie Call

 Note: I misspelled OOO so as not trigger your filter.

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RE: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk

2002-12-19 Thread Bowles, John L.
Yea, I know.  That's what I finally convinced my manager to turn that
function off.  Up until now, they wanted to keep that function.  But
once that happened she realized that we cannot leave ourselves open to a
potential mail loop because of our users, using Outlook incorrectly.

__
John Bowles
Exchange Administrator
Enterprise Support  Engineering
Celera Genomics
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 


-Original Message-
From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 9:15 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk


Deny auto-replies to the Internet and you wont have to worry about users
setting it up incorrectly.



- Original Message -
From: Bowles, John L. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 9:13 AM
Subject: RE: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk


You're exactly right..that's what happened.  I just didn't want to go
into explaining all of that.  But we cannot as mail administrators rely
on our users to use this feature correctly.  You're just setting
yourself up for trouble.

__
John Bowles
Exchange Administrator
Enterprise Support  Engineering
Celera Genomics
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



-Original Message-
From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 9:10 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk


OOFs generally do not cause mail loops unless you are unwisely using a
rule.

- Original Message -
From: Bowles, John L. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 9:08 AM
Subject: RE: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk


I finally got my manager to allow me to turn this feature off.  I've
been telling her that this will leave us vulnerable for possible mail
loops.  And wouldn't you know it...we had one and she was like..you're
right.  Please turn that off.  I don't think it's a good idea just for
that fact.  Cause it's a nightmare trying to fix a mail loop.

__
John Bowles
Exchange Administrator
Enterprise Support  Engineering
Celera Genomics
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



-Original Message-
From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 11:35 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk


My company allows them to go out.  I don't use the feature at all.

Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP
Technical Consultant
hp Services
There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems.


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Daniel Chenault
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 4:11 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk


On a technical list I'm on that concerns Exchange (among other things)
someone forwarded to the list someone's OOF from a major company. From
his name and location the person found his address on the web. Since his
OOF said he'd be gone for two weeks, out of town on vacation, he
essentially is telling the whole world his house is unattended and ripe
for picking.

Bad idea. It's just a bad idea.

- Original Message -
From: Archie Call [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:01 PM
Subject: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk


 Our company is proposing that we allow the Ouut Oof Offfice feature to

 be turned on for Internet Mail in Exchange 5.5.  I have seen comments 
 on this newsgroup discussing many security reasons for not doing this!

 I have looked in the PDF file but am have diffculty locating this 
 discussion.  I remember someone who wrote a little story that was very

 convincing.

 The downsides I see are: potential for mail looping (bugs in Exchange 
 or Mailbox filled up); you tell the cyber crooks that you are gone and

 your house can be robbed; you tell the spammer they have a valid 
 address; much increased mail traffic especially during a virus 
 outbreat; you send numerous messages to everyone in a ListServer.

 If anyone has anything to add here, it would be greatly appreciated.

 ...Archie Call

 Note: I misspelled OOO so as not trigger your filter.

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RE: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk

2002-12-19 Thread Darcy Adams
We had a virtual loop happen here from an OOF.  Somebody went on vacation and set up 
OOF, then added an extra rule to auto-reply to all messages [1].  We have an app that 
uses a mailbox to send out daily updates, and has a rule on the mailbox to fire off a 
new message in response to anything sent directly to it.

You guessed it - his OOF rule fired to it, and the secondary rule fired.  He got an 
auto-reply back for both of them - the secondary rule continued to fire sending 
another note back to the unattended box, which sent another message, etc. . . 

The only thing that saved us was the Do not send limit on his mailbox.

Darcy


[1] I don't know what the guy was thinking - he said he wasn't sure which one was the 
OOF rule, so he set both.

-Original Message-
From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 6:10 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk


OOFs generally do not cause mail loops unless you are unwisely using a rule.

- Original Message -
From: Bowles, John L. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 9:08 AM
Subject: RE: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk


I finally got my manager to allow me to turn this feature off.  I've
been telling her that this will leave us vulnerable for possible mail
loops.  And wouldn't you know it...we had one and she was like..you're
right.  Please turn that off.  I don't think it's a good idea just for
that fact.  Cause it's a nightmare trying to fix a mail loop.

__
John Bowles
Exchange Administrator
Enterprise Support  Engineering
Celera Genomics
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



-Original Message-
From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 11:35 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk


My company allows them to go out.  I don't use the feature at all.

Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP
Technical Consultant
hp Services
There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems.


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Daniel Chenault
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 4:11 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk


On a technical list I'm on that concerns Exchange (among other things)
someone forwarded to the list someone's OOF from a major company. From
his name and location the person found his address on the web. Since his
OOF said he'd be gone for two weeks, out of town on vacation, he
essentially is telling the whole world his house is unattended and ripe
for picking.

Bad idea. It's just a bad idea.

- Original Message -
From: Archie Call [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:01 PM
Subject: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk


 Our company is proposing that we allow the Ouut Oof Offfice feature to

 be turned on for Internet Mail in Exchange 5.5.  I have seen comments
 on this newsgroup discussing many security reasons for not doing this!

 I have looked in the PDF file but am have diffculty locating this
 discussion.  I remember someone who wrote a little story that was very

 convincing.

 The downsides I see are: potential for mail looping (bugs in Exchange
 or Mailbox filled up); you tell the cyber crooks that you are gone and

 your house can be robbed; you tell the spammer they have a valid
 address; much increased mail traffic especially during a virus
 outbreat; you send numerous messages to everyone in a ListServer.

 If anyone has anything to add here, it would be greatly appreciated.

 ...Archie Call

 Note: I misspelled OOO so as not trigger your filter.

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RE: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk

2002-12-18 Thread Candee Vaglica
This might help:
http://www.equiinet.com/press/pressreleases/24_06_2002.htm

-Original Message-
From: Archie Call [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:02 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk


Our company is proposing that we allow the Ouut Oof Offfice feature to be
turned on for Internet Mail in Exchange 5.5.  I have seen comments on this
newsgroup discussing many security reasons for not doing this!  I have
looked in the PDF file but am have diffculty locating this discussion.  I
remember someone who wrote a little story that was very convincing.

The downsides I see are: potential for mail looping (bugs in Exchange or
Mailbox filled up); you tell the cyber crooks that you are gone and your
house can be robbed; you tell the spammer they have a valid address; much
increased mail traffic especially during a virus outbreat; you send numerous
messages to everyone in a ListServer.

If anyone has anything to add here, it would be greatly appreciated.

...Archie Call

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RE: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk

2002-12-18 Thread Friese, Casey
Cut and cross posted from another list - some good ones to think about

Tom Meunier
I'm not in, but you have hit and now verified a live address. Please
put me on your A list for resale to other spammers.

I'm the president of the company, and obviously wealthy. Since I've
just told you I'm away for two weeks, please go to the county tax
assessor's web site and look up the location of my residence. Help
yourself.

Hello customer. I'm not in, and you can try contacting 
someone else in my firm who wants your business. The onus is, however,
all 
on you, as I'm too lazy to delegate my email to somebody else while
away.
Please
don't go visit our competitor, who is far too professional to send you
an ascii answering machine message like this.
/Tom Meunier

-Original Message-
From: Candee Vaglica [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:30 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk


This might help:
http://www.equiinet.com/press/pressreleases/24_06_2002.htm

-Original Message-
From: Archie Call [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:02 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk


Our company is proposing that we allow the Ouut Oof Offfice feature to
be turned on for Internet Mail in Exchange 5.5.  I have seen comments on
this newsgroup discussing many security reasons for not doing this!  I
have looked in the PDF file but am have diffculty locating this
discussion.  I remember someone who wrote a little story that was very
convincing.

The downsides I see are: potential for mail looping (bugs in Exchange or
Mailbox filled up); you tell the cyber crooks that you are gone and your
house can be robbed; you tell the spammer they have a valid address;
much increased mail traffic especially during a virus outbreat; you send
numerous messages to everyone in a ListServer.

If anyone has anything to add here, it would be greatly appreciated.

...Archie Call

Note: I misspelled OOO so as not trigger your filter.

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RE: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk

2002-12-18 Thread William Lefkovics
 
That Tom is that rare jewel... a wise Texan.
 
 
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Friese, Casey
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:17 PM
To: Exchange Discussions

Cut and cross posted from another list - some good ones to think about

Tom Meunier
I'm not in, but you have hit and now verified a live address. Please
put me on your A list for resale to other spammers.

I'm the president of the company, and obviously wealthy. Since I've
just told you I'm away for two weeks, please go to the county tax
assessor's web site and look up the location of my residence. Help
yourself.

Hello customer. I'm not in, and you can try contacting 
someone else in my firm who wants your business. The onus is, however,
all 
on you, as I'm too lazy to delegate my email to somebody else while
away.
Please
don't go visit our competitor, who is far too professional to send you
an ascii answering machine message like this.
/Tom Meunier

-Original Message-
From: Candee Vaglica [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:30 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk


This might help:
http://www.equiinet.com/press/pressreleases/24_06_2002.htm

-Original Message-
From: Archie Call [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:02 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk


Our company is proposing that we allow the Ouut Oof Offfice feature to
be turned on for Internet Mail in Exchange 5.5.  I have seen comments on
this newsgroup discussing many security reasons for not doing this!  I
have looked in the PDF file but am have diffculty locating this
discussion.  I remember someone who wrote a little story that was very
convincing.

The downsides I see are: potential for mail looping (bugs in Exchange or
Mailbox filled up); you tell the cyber crooks that you are gone and your
house can be robbed; you tell the spammer they have a valid address;
much increased mail traffic especially during a virus outbreat; you send
numerous messages to everyone in a ListServer.

If anyone has anything to add here, it would be greatly appreciated.

...Archie Call

Note: I misspelled OOO so as not trigger your filter.


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RE: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk

2002-12-18 Thread Friese, Casey
Got to love his wit.  I have quite a bit of yours archieved as well

-Original Message-
From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 4:25 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk


 
That Tom is that rare jewel... a wise Texan.
 
 
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Friese, Casey
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:17 PM
To: Exchange Discussions

Cut and cross posted from another list - some good ones to think about

Tom Meunier
I'm not in, but you have hit and now verified a live address. Please
put me on your A list for resale to other spammers.

I'm the president of the company, and obviously wealthy. Since I've
just told you I'm away for two weeks, please go to the county tax
assessor's web site and look up the location of my residence. Help
yourself.

Hello customer. I'm not in, and you can try contacting 
someone else in my firm who wants your business. The onus is, however,
all 
on you, as I'm too lazy to delegate my email to somebody else while
away. Please don't go visit our competitor, who is far too professional
to send you an ascii answering machine message like this. /Tom
Meunier

-Original Message-
From: Candee Vaglica [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:30 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk


This might help:
http://www.equiinet.com/press/pressreleases/24_06_2002.htm

-Original Message-
From: Archie Call [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:02 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk


Our company is proposing that we allow the Ouut Oof Offfice feature to
be turned on for Internet Mail in Exchange 5.5.  I have seen comments on
this newsgroup discussing many security reasons for not doing this!  I
have looked in the PDF file but am have diffculty locating this
discussion.  I remember someone who wrote a little story that was very
convincing.

The downsides I see are: potential for mail looping (bugs in Exchange or
Mailbox filled up); you tell the cyber crooks that you are gone and your
house can be robbed; you tell the spammer they have a valid address;
much increased mail traffic especially during a virus outbreat; you send
numerous messages to everyone in a ListServer.

If anyone has anything to add here, it would be greatly appreciated.

...Archie Call

Note: I misspelled OOO so as not trigger your filter.


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RE: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk

2002-12-18 Thread William Lefkovics
 
'Archieved' is a good place for them.

 
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Friese, Casey
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:25 PM
To: Exchange Discussions

Got to love his wit.  I have quite a bit of yours archieved as well

-Original Message-
From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 4:25 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk


 
That Tom is that rare jewel... a wise Texan.
 
 
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Friese, Casey
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:17 PM
To: Exchange Discussions

Cut and cross posted from another list - some good ones to think about

Tom Meunier
I'm not in, but you have hit and now verified a live address. Please
put me on your A list for resale to other spammers.

I'm the president of the company, and obviously wealthy. Since I've
just told you I'm away for two weeks, please go to the county tax
assessor's web site and look up the location of my residence. Help
yourself.

Hello customer. I'm not in, and you can try contacting 
someone else in my firm who wants your business. The onus is, however,
all 
on you, as I'm too lazy to delegate my email to somebody else while
away. Please don't go visit our competitor, who is far too professional
to send you an ascii answering machine message like this. /Tom
Meunier

-Original Message-
From: Candee Vaglica [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:30 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk


This might help:
http://www.equiinet.com/press/pressreleases/24_06_2002.htm

-Original Message-
From: Archie Call [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:02 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk


Our company is proposing that we allow the Ouut Oof Offfice feature to
be turned on for Internet Mail in Exchange 5.5.  I have seen comments on
this newsgroup discussing many security reasons for not doing this!  I
have looked in the PDF file but am have diffculty locating this
discussion.  I remember someone who wrote a little story that was very
convincing.

The downsides I see are: potential for mail looping (bugs in Exchange or
Mailbox filled up); you tell the cyber crooks that you are gone and your
house can be robbed; you tell the spammer they have a valid address;
much increased mail traffic especially during a virus outbreat; you send
numerous messages to everyone in a ListServer.

If anyone has anything to add here, it would be greatly appreciated.

...Archie Call

Note: I misspelled OOO so as not trigger your filter.


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RE: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk

2002-12-18 Thread Christopher Hummert
Yea true the local paper just had a story about some thieves that were
sending what appeared to be spam messages to companies in the area. From
there they would get the out of office replies and then go rob those
people blind knowing exactly how long they were going to be gone.



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Friese, Casey
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:17 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk


Cut and cross posted from another list - some good ones to think about

Tom Meunier
I'm not in, but you have hit and now verified a live address. Please
put me on your A list for resale to other spammers.

I'm the president of the company, and obviously wealthy. Since I've
just told you I'm away for two weeks, please go to the county tax
assessor's web site and look up the location of my residence. Help
yourself.

Hello customer. I'm not in, and you can try contacting 
someone else in my firm who wants your business. The onus is, however,
all 
on you, as I'm too lazy to delegate my email to somebody else while
away. Please don't go visit our competitor, who is far too professional
to send you an ascii answering machine message like this. /Tom
Meunier

-Original Message-
From: Candee Vaglica [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:30 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk


This might help:
http://www.equiinet.com/press/pressreleases/24_06_2002.htm

-Original Message-
From: Archie Call [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:02 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk


Our company is proposing that we allow the Ouut Oof Offfice feature to
be turned on for Internet Mail in Exchange 5.5.  I have seen comments on
this newsgroup discussing many security reasons for not doing this!  I
have looked in the PDF file but am have diffculty locating this
discussion.  I remember someone who wrote a little story that was very
convincing.

The downsides I see are: potential for mail looping (bugs in Exchange or
Mailbox filled up); you tell the cyber crooks that you are gone and your
house can be robbed; you tell the spammer they have a valid address;
much increased mail traffic especially during a virus outbreat; you send
numerous messages to everyone in a ListServer.

If anyone has anything to add here, it would be greatly appreciated.

...Archie Call

Note: I misspelled OOO so as not trigger your filter.

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RE: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk

2002-12-18 Thread Martin Blackstone
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/2540307.stm

-Original Message-
From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:34 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk


Yea true the local paper just had a story about some thieves that were
sending what appeared to be spam messages to companies in the area. From
there they would get the out of office replies and then go rob those people
blind knowing exactly how long they were going to be gone.



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Friese, Casey
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:17 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk


Cut and cross posted from another list - some good ones to think about

Tom Meunier
I'm not in, but you have hit and now verified a live address. Please put me
on your A list for resale to other spammers.

I'm the president of the company, and obviously wealthy. Since I've just
told you I'm away for two weeks, please go to the county tax assessor's web
site and look up the location of my residence. Help yourself.

Hello customer. I'm not in, and you can try contacting 
someone else in my firm who wants your business. The onus is, however, all 
on you, as I'm too lazy to delegate my email to somebody else while away.
Please don't go visit our competitor, who is far too professional to send
you an ascii answering machine message like this. /Tom
Meunier

-Original Message-
From: Candee Vaglica [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:30 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk


This might help: http://www.equiinet.com/press/pressreleases/24_06_2002.htm

-Original Message-
From: Archie Call [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:02 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk


Our company is proposing that we allow the Ouut Oof Offfice feature to be
turned on for Internet Mail in Exchange 5.5.  I have seen comments on this
newsgroup discussing many security reasons for not doing this!  I have
looked in the PDF file but am have diffculty locating this discussion.  I
remember someone who wrote a little story that was very convincing.

The downsides I see are: potential for mail looping (bugs in Exchange or
Mailbox filled up); you tell the cyber crooks that you are gone and your
house can be robbed; you tell the spammer they have a valid address; much
increased mail traffic especially during a virus outbreat; you send numerous
messages to everyone in a ListServer.

If anyone has anything to add here, it would be greatly appreciated.

...Archie Call

Note: I misspelled OOO so as not trigger your filter.

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Re: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk

2002-12-18 Thread Daniel Chenault
On a technical list I'm on that concerns Exchange (among other things)
someone forwarded to the list someone's OOF from a major company. From his
name and location the person found his address on the web. Since his OOF
said he'd be gone for two weeks, out of town on vacation, he essentially is
telling the whole world his house is unattended and ripe for picking.

Bad idea. It's just a bad idea.

- Original Message -
From: Archie Call [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:01 PM
Subject: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk


 Our company is proposing that we allow the Ouut Oof Offfice feature to be
 turned on for Internet Mail in Exchange 5.5.  I have seen comments on this
 newsgroup discussing many security reasons for not doing this!  I have
 looked in the PDF file but am have diffculty locating this discussion.  I
 remember someone who wrote a little story that was very convincing.

 The downsides I see are: potential for mail looping (bugs in Exchange or
 Mailbox filled up); you tell the cyber crooks that you are gone and your
 house can be robbed; you tell the spammer they have a valid address; much
 increased mail traffic especially during a virus outbreat; you send
 numerous messages to everyone in a ListServer.

 If anyone has anything to add here, it would be greatly appreciated.

 ...Archie Call

 Note: I misspelled OOO so as not trigger your filter.

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RE: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk

2002-12-18 Thread Ed Crowley
My company allows them to go out.  I don't use the feature at all.

Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP
Technical Consultant
hp Services
There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems.


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Daniel Chenault
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 4:11 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk


On a technical list I'm on that concerns Exchange (among other things)
someone forwarded to the list someone's OOF from a major company. From
his name and location the person found his address on the web. Since his
OOF said he'd be gone for two weeks, out of town on vacation, he
essentially is telling the whole world his house is unattended and ripe
for picking.

Bad idea. It's just a bad idea.

- Original Message -
From: Archie Call [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:01 PM
Subject: Ouut Oof Offfice responses - Security Risk


 Our company is proposing that we allow the Ouut Oof Offfice feature to

 be turned on for Internet Mail in Exchange 5.5.  I have seen comments 
 on this newsgroup discussing many security reasons for not doing this!

 I have looked in the PDF file but am have diffculty locating this 
 discussion.  I remember someone who wrote a little story that was very

 convincing.

 The downsides I see are: potential for mail looping (bugs in Exchange 
 or Mailbox filled up); you tell the cyber crooks that you are gone and

 your house can be robbed; you tell the spammer they have a valid 
 address; much increased mail traffic especially during a virus 
 outbreat; you send numerous messages to everyone in a ListServer.

 If anyone has anything to add here, it would be greatly appreciated.

 ...Archie Call

 Note: I misspelled OOO so as not trigger your filter.

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