SIS ?
If a user has a message with an attachment on it that he forwards to other users, he then moves the message that has the attachment to a PST efectively removing it from the Exchange DB. Do all of the recipients of the forwarded email have an instance or does Exchange somehow keep a copy of the attachment. _ Need more e-mail storage? Get 10MB with Hotmail Extra Storage. http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: SIS ?
The .pst file would get a copy of the attachment from Exchange. The rest of the users who received a forwarded copy will still reference the single instance storage for the attachment on the Exchange server. Exchange will still retain a copy (SIS) for the other users who remain on the Exchange server. Hope this helps. Samantha -Original Message- From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 8:40 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: SIS ? If a user has a message with an attachment on it that he forwards to other users, he then moves the message that has the attachment to a PST efectively removing it from the Exchange DB. Do all of the recipients of the forwarded email have an instance or does Exchange somehow keep a copy of the attachment. _ Need more e-mail storage? Get 10MB with Hotmail Extra Storage. http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: SIS ?
That's what I thought. Thanks for verifying for me. Because other messages refer to an object it never gets truly deleted from the DB. From: Bridges, Samantha [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: SIS ? Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 08:49:40 -0400 The .pst file would get a copy of the attachment from Exchange. The rest of the users who received a forwarded copy will still reference the single instance storage for the attachment on the Exchange server. Exchange will still retain a copy (SIS) for the other users who remain on the Exchange server. Hope this helps. Samantha -Original Message- From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 8:40 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: SIS ? If a user has a message with an attachment on it that he forwards to other users, he then moves the message that has the attachment to a PST efectively removing it from the Exchange DB. Do all of the recipients of the forwarded email have an instance or does Exchange somehow keep a copy of the attachment. _ Need more e-mail storage? Get 10MB with Hotmail Extra Storage. http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get a FREE computer virus scan online from McAfee. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: SIS ?
Well, it will eventually get deleted from the database, if all of the folks who received a copy either delete the message or move it to a PST. But the original object in the store will remain until ALL instances of it are removed. Make sense? -Original Message- From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 8:49 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SIS ? That's what I thought. Thanks for verifying for me. Because other messages refer to an object it never gets truly deleted from the DB. From: Bridges, Samantha [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: SIS ? Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 08:49:40 -0400 The .pst file would get a copy of the attachment from Exchange. The rest of the users who received a forwarded copy will still reference the single instance storage for the attachment on the Exchange server. Exchange will still retain a copy (SIS) for the other users who remain on the Exchange server. Hope this helps. Samantha -Original Message- From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 8:40 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: SIS ? If a user has a message with an attachment on it that he forwards to other users, he then moves the message that has the attachment to a PST efectively removing it from the Exchange DB. Do all of the recipients of the forwarded email have an instance or does Exchange somehow keep a copy of the attachment. _ Need more e-mail storage? Get 10MB with Hotmail Extra Storage. http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get a FREE computer virus scan online from McAfee. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Change to different organization without losing SIS??
Tools | Move Mailbox The Move Server Wizard. Using the tools mentioned, I don't believe there is any way to maintain SIS when moving between orgs. 3rd party tools such as those from NetIQ might maintain SIS, they however aren't free. -Original Message- From: Petri To: Exchange Discussions Sent: 11/6/2002 1:41 PM Subject: Re: Change to different organization without losing SIS?? You can read Q175481. SIS should be still existing in there. From what I understand of the Move Server Wizard and exmerge we would lose SIS (Single Instance Storage) if we used the wizard (or any other method??) to change our organization. (??) We are currently running Exchange 5.5 and our parent company (which we may need to change our organization to someday) is also running 5.5 today. Maybe we need to force everyone to remove their mail from the server (to those robust PST files) before attempting a changeover? Tom _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange;ls.swynk.com Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Change to different organization without losing SIS??
You can read Q175481. SIS should be still existing in there. From what I understand of the Move Server Wizard and exmerge we would lose SIS (Single Instance Storage) if we used the wizard (or any other method??) to change our organization. (??) We are currently running Exchange 5.5 and our parent company (which we may need to change our organization to someday) is also running 5.5 today. Maybe we need to force everyone to remove their mail from the server (to those robust PST files) before attempting a changeover? Tom _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange;ls.swynk.com Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Change to different organization without losing SIS??
From what I understand of the Move Server Wizard and exmerge we would lose SIS (Single Instance Storage) if we used the wizard (or any other method??) to change our organization. (??) We are currently running Exchange 5.5 and our parent company (which we may need to change our organization to someday) is also running 5.5 today. Maybe we need to force everyone to remove their mail from the server (to those robust PST files) before attempting a changeover? Tom _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange;ls.swynk.com Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Change to different organization without losing SIS??
If you go the PST route, you are still breaking SIS, you have just made it the user's problem. You are correct that this is a big problem of email migrations. If you are extremely concerned about this, then you are really limiting your options as far as migration is concerned. I would like to ask why you believe that the Move Server Wizard breaks SIS. I have never found anything in the documentation or in the way that it works that would suggest that it breaks SIS. Also, from my own knowledge of the Move Server Wizard, it does not make a lot of sense that it would break SIS, just from knowing how it operates. I am not going to definitively state that it does not break SIS, because I honestly do not use it that often. However, if you could provide me with the source of your information it would be beneficial because the Move Server Wizard is your best bet for preserving SIS. If it will not do it, then you are pretty much up a creek as far as non-third party tools are concerned because EXMERGE and the Exchange Migration Wizard will almost certainly break SIS. From what I understand of the Move Server Wizard and exmerge we would lose SIS (Single Instance Storage) if we used the wizard (or any other method??) to change our organization. (??) We are currently running Exchange 5.5 and our parent company (which we may need to change our organization to someday) is also running 5.5 today. Maybe we need to force everyone to remove their mail from the server (to those robust PST files) before attempting a changeover? Tom _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange;ls.swynk.com Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Change to different organization without losing SIS??
What is your question then? - Original Message - From: Alverson, Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 4:02 PM Subject: Change to different organization without losing SIS?? From what I understand of the Move Server Wizard and exmerge we would lose SIS (Single Instance Storage) if we used the wizard (or any other method??) to change our organization. (??) We are currently running Exchange 5.5 and our parent company (which we may need to change our organization to someday) is also running 5.5 today. Maybe we need to force everyone to remove their mail from the server (to those robust PST files) before attempting a changeover? Tom _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange;ls.swynk.com Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange;ls.swynk.com Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: SIS and English
Actually, it's the average number of references per message in the store, and therefore you can extrapolate the amount of storage space saved by SIS. Therefore, stores with an SIS of 3 mean an average of 3 references per message. I find it rare to see SISs less than 2, unless there is very little intraoffice email exchanged. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity Atlanta, GA -Original Message- From: Gary Barnett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 5:54 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SIS and English Sounds to me that if x messages exist in the store and y messages are duplicates, then the ratio can be expressed as a percentage of messages that are singly stored. Note that the number of bytes saved is not included in the calculation, hence the result says nothing about the number of bytes saved. I suppose you are supposed to assume that all the dups are copies of forwarded jokes, MP3 and other large attachments, rather than 500 copies of To the loser who stole my pen, please return it, ASAP! --Gary -Original Message- From: Mark Hanji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 2:36 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: SIS and English First, cool subject :-) Ex5.5, perfmon on MSexchangeIS private. I look at the Single Instance Storage Ratio counter and wonder: Does the word ratio means like the English ratio word, or it means actually how much data I save because I am using SIS? Idiot Question? Look at :Q160178 == == Single Instance Ratio: The ratio between the total number of message references and the total number of messages stored in the information store. This ratio indicates the amount of storage saved by single instance storage. == == = The first sentence talks about ratio, which means some kind of mathematical relation. The second sentence talks about a permanent number - amount of storage. Well?! _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: SIS and English
The customer with whom I am working at present has a SIS of 6 to 7 on each of four primary mailbox servers, and they don't even attempt to collect workgroups onto the same server. Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP Technical Consultant hp Services There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Roger Seielstad Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 5:53 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SIS and English Actually, it's the average number of references per message in the store, and therefore you can extrapolate the amount of storage space saved by SIS. Therefore, stores with an SIS of 3 mean an average of 3 references per message. I find it rare to see SISs less than 2, unless there is very little intraoffice email exchanged. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity Atlanta, GA -Original Message- From: Gary Barnett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 5:54 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SIS and English Sounds to me that if x messages exist in the store and y messages are duplicates, then the ratio can be expressed as a percentage of messages that are singly stored. Note that the number of bytes saved is not included in the calculation, hence the result says nothing about the number of bytes saved. I suppose you are supposed to assume that all the dups are copies of forwarded jokes, MP3 and other large attachments, rather than 500 copies of To the loser who stole my pen, please return it, ASAP! --Gary -Original Message- From: Mark Hanji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 2:36 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: SIS and English First, cool subject :-) Ex5.5, perfmon on MSexchangeIS private. I look at the Single Instance Storage Ratio counter and wonder: Does the word ratio means like the English ratio word, or it means actually how much data I save because I am using SIS? Idiot Question? Look at :Q160178 == == Single Instance Ratio: The ratio between the total number of message references and the total number of messages stored in the information store. This ratio indicates the amount of storage saved by single instance storage. == == = The first sentence talks about ratio, which means some kind of mathematical relation. The second sentence talks about a permanent number - amount of storage. Well?! _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: SIS and English
Prior to my last migration, I was seeing an SIS of 5-6 for most servers in a similar configuration, as well. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity Atlanta, GA -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 1:20 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SIS and English The customer with whom I am working at present has a SIS of 6 to 7 on each of four primary mailbox servers, and they don't even attempt to collect workgroups onto the same server. Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP Technical Consultant hp Services There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Roger Seielstad Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 5:53 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SIS and English Actually, it's the average number of references per message in the store, and therefore you can extrapolate the amount of storage space saved by SIS. Therefore, stores with an SIS of 3 mean an average of 3 references per message. I find it rare to see SISs less than 2, unless there is very little intraoffice email exchanged. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity Atlanta, GA -Original Message- From: Gary Barnett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 5:54 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SIS and English Sounds to me that if x messages exist in the store and y messages are duplicates, then the ratio can be expressed as a percentage of messages that are singly stored. Note that the number of bytes saved is not included in the calculation, hence the result says nothing about the number of bytes saved. I suppose you are supposed to assume that all the dups are copies of forwarded jokes, MP3 and other large attachments, rather than 500 copies of To the loser who stole my pen, please return it, ASAP! --Gary -Original Message- From: Mark Hanji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 2:36 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: SIS and English First, cool subject :-) Ex5.5, perfmon on MSexchangeIS private. I look at the Single Instance Storage Ratio counter and wonder: Does the word ratio means like the English ratio word, or it means actually how much data I save because I am using SIS? Idiot Question? Look at :Q160178 == == Single Instance Ratio: The ratio between the total number of message references and the total number of messages stored in the information store. This ratio indicates the amount of storage saved by single instance storage. == == = The first sentence talks about ratio, which means some kind of mathematical relation. The second sentence talks about a permanent number - amount of storage. Well?! _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
SIS and English
First, cool subject :-) Ex5.5, perfmon on MSexchangeIS private. I look at the Single Instance Storage Ratio counter and wonder: Does the word ratio means like the English ratio word, or it means actually how much data I save because I am using SIS? Idiot Question? Look at :Q160178 Single Instance Ratio: The ratio between the total number of message references and the total number of messages stored in the information store. This ratio indicates the amount of storage saved by single instance storage. = The first sentence talks about ratio, which means some kind of mathematical relation. The second sentence talks about a permanent number - amount of storage. Well?! _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: SIS and English
Sounds to me that if x messages exist in the store and y messages are duplicates, then the ratio can be expressed as a percentage of messages that are singly stored. Note that the number of bytes saved is not included in the calculation, hence the result says nothing about the number of bytes saved. I suppose you are supposed to assume that all the dups are copies of forwarded jokes, MP3 and other large attachments, rather than 500 copies of To the loser who stole my pen, please return it, ASAP! --Gary -Original Message- From: Mark Hanji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 2:36 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: SIS and English First, cool subject :-) Ex5.5, perfmon on MSexchangeIS private. I look at the Single Instance Storage Ratio counter and wonder: Does the word ratio means like the English ratio word, or it means actually how much data I save because I am using SIS? Idiot Question? Look at :Q160178 Single Instance Ratio: The ratio between the total number of message references and the total number of messages stored in the information store. This ratio indicates the amount of storage saved by single instance storage. = The first sentence talks about ratio, which means some kind of mathematical relation. The second sentence talks about a permanent number - amount of storage. Well?! _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
