RE: how to prevent logon during move mailbox

2003-02-08 Thread Ed Crowley
This completely contrary to what I have observed as per my earlier post
in this thread when mailboxes are moved from Exchange 5.5 to Exchange
2000.  And this problem was repeatable enough to be a major problem.
This is also a known problem, i.e., the ghost mailboxes, in
Exchange-5.5-to-Exchange-5.5 mailbox moves, but it wasn't as much of a
problem in those cases because the directory did update properly and the
new mailbox ends up getting all of the data.

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Tim Ault
Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 10:49 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: how to prevent logon during move mailbox


Mailboxes can be moved while the user has them opened; neither the
server push, pulling, or driving the move will complain, nor will the
Outlook client. Bottom line, for issue-free movement of mailboxes, null
the PriNTacct prior to moving the mailbox.

MS recommends the user be prevented from accessing their mbx prior to
the move, but does not state it must be done. The business of
moving-a-mbx-while-the-user-is-logged-in vs. moving it w/o a PriNTacct
association seemed worthy of testing. I investigated this for a couple
hours back on exchsrvr5 with a few of easy tests using mbxs  Mail
Storm. The results were mixed (I have a results matrix of the test
someplace). 

Bottom line: utter intermittency across the board and no consistency of
retests. In most cases, mbxs moved with the user logged in moved w/o
incident; but there where instances where messages sent to the moved
mbx NDR'd. The mbx DN seemed to be the source of problems. I thought
setting the tombstone to 1 day might have some positive effect, but it
didn't matter. 



Tim.
x3683


-Original Message-
From: Edgington, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 9:44 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: how to prevent logon during move mailbox


When the mailbox is being moved, the user won't be able to logon anyway.
Matter of fact it will be a few minutes after the move is complete
before they regain access to the mailbox... if you're not liking this..
then Ed has the better option... don't let them into the subnet that the
exchange boxes are on.



-Original Message-
From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 8:35 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: how to prevent logon during move mailbox


Better to disconnect them from the network on which the clients reside.

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I
Tech Consultant
hp Services
Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!


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Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 4:12 PM
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Subject: Re: how to prevent logon during move mailbox


Move them at 3 AM.

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MSX2000+SP3
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Do we have any Qarticle explaining how to prevent logon during an
exchage 
2000 move mailbox process? 

I have tried the article below it does work for msx2000 

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;218920 






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RE: how to prevent logon during move mailbox

2003-02-07 Thread Ed Crowley
Don't trivialize the question.  I have seen where users' Outlook
sessions are active on an Exchange 5.5 server, and their mailbox is
moved to Exchange 2000, the Exchange 5.5 mailbox stays or is recreated.
This, of course, causes problems because Exchange 5.5 mail continues to
get routed to the old mailbox.  It's pretty important to block logons
when using a move mailbox migration strategy from 5.5 to 2000.

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Edgington, Jeff
Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 6:44 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: how to prevent logon during move mailbox


When the mailbox is being moved, the user won't be able to logon anyway.
Matter of fact it will be a few minutes after the move is complete
before they regain access to the mailbox... if you're not liking this..
then Ed has the better option... don't let them into the subnet that the
exchange boxes are on.



-Original Message-
From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 8:35 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: how to prevent logon during move mailbox


Better to disconnect them from the network on which the clients reside.

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I
Tech Consultant
hp Services
Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!


-Original Message-
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff
Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 4:12 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: how to prevent logon during move mailbox


Move them at 3 AM.

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MSX2000+SP3
1 forest 

Do we have any Qarticle explaining how to prevent logon during an
exchage 
2000 move mailbox process? 

I have tried the article below it does work for msx2000 

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;218920 






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RE: how to prevent logon during move mailbox

2003-02-07 Thread Ken Cornetet
Another thing you may want to consider when moving 5.5 mailboxes to
2000: stop the pertinent ADC connection agreement. There is a race
condition possible which can cause AD to forget that the mailbox was
moved. You can start it again after the move.

-Original Message-
From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 12:27 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: how to prevent logon during move mailbox


Don't trivialize the question.  I have seen where users' Outlook
sessions are active on an Exchange 5.5 server, and their mailbox is
moved to Exchange 2000, the Exchange 5.5 mailbox stays or is recreated.
This, of course, causes problems because Exchange 5.5 mail continues to
get routed to the old mailbox.  It's pretty important to block logons
when using a move mailbox migration strategy from 5.5 to 2000.

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I
Tech Consultant
hp Services
Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Edgington, Jeff
Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 6:44 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: how to prevent logon during move mailbox


When the mailbox is being moved, the user won't be able to logon anyway.
Matter of fact it will be a few minutes after the move is complete
before they regain access to the mailbox... if you're not liking this..
then Ed has the better option... don't let them into the subnet that the
exchange boxes are on.



-Original Message-
From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 8:35 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: how to prevent logon during move mailbox


Better to disconnect them from the network on which the clients reside.

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I
Tech Consultant
hp Services
Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff
Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 4:12 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: how to prevent logon during move mailbox


Move them at 3 AM.

On 2/6/03 17:48, Microsoft Exchange List Server
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MSX2000+SP3
1 forest 

Do we have any Qarticle explaining how to prevent logon during an
exchage 
2000 move mailbox process? 

I have tried the article below it does work for msx2000 

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;218920 






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RE: how to prevent logon during move mailbox

2003-02-07 Thread Gonzalez, Alex
We just went through a large mailbox move of over 900 users.  I just
broke them off by department and did them at night.  Took me a week, but
it didn't impact any business.  I don't know if your situation is such
where you could do that but I liked doing it that way.  That way you
don't even have to worry about them logging on and it's totally
seamless.  They just open Outlook up in the morning and nothing has
changed.

Alex Gonzalez
Sr. Systems Administrator
Handleman Company
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(248) 362-4400 Ext. 4914

-Original Message-
From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 12:27 PM
To: Exchange Discussions

Don't trivialize the question.  I have seen where users' Outlook
sessions are active on an Exchange 5.5 server, and their mailbox is
moved to Exchange 2000, the Exchange 5.5 mailbox stays or is recreated.
This, of course, causes problems because Exchange 5.5 mail continues to
get routed to the old mailbox.  It's pretty important to block logons
when using a move mailbox migration strategy from 5.5 to 2000.

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I
Tech Consultant
hp Services
Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Edgington, Jeff
Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 6:44 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: how to prevent logon during move mailbox


When the mailbox is being moved, the user won't be able to logon anyway.
Matter of fact it will be a few minutes after the move is complete
before they regain access to the mailbox... if you're not liking this..
then Ed has the better option... don't let them into the subnet that the
exchange boxes are on.



-Original Message-
From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 8:35 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: how to prevent logon during move mailbox


Better to disconnect them from the network on which the clients reside.

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I
Tech Consultant
hp Services
Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff
Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 4:12 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: how to prevent logon during move mailbox


Move them at 3 AM.

On 2/6/03 17:48, Microsoft Exchange List Server
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



MSX2000+SP3
1 forest 

Do we have any Qarticle explaining how to prevent logon during an
exchage 
2000 move mailbox process? 

I have tried the article below it does work for msx2000 

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;218920 






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RE: how to prevent logon during move mailbox

2003-02-07 Thread Tim Ault
Mailboxes can be moved while the user has them opened; neither the server
push, pulling, or driving the move will complain, nor will the Outlook
client. Bottom line, for issue-free movement of mailboxes, null the
PriNTacct prior to moving the mailbox.

MS recommends the user be prevented from accessing their mbx prior to the
move, but does not state it must be done. The business of
moving-a-mbx-while-the-user-is-logged-in vs. moving it w/o a PriNTacct
association seemed worthy of testing. I investigated this for a couple hours
back on exchsrvr5 with a few of easy tests using mbxs  Mail Storm. The
results were mixed (I have a results matrix of the test someplace). 

Bottom line: utter intermittency across the board and no consistency of
retests. In most cases, mbxs moved with the user logged in moved w/o
incident; but there where instances where messages sent to the moved mbx
NDR'd. The mbx DN seemed to be the source of problems. I thought setting the
tombstone to 1 day might have some positive effect, but it didn't matter. 



Tim.
x3683


-Original Message-
From: Edgington, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 9:44 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: how to prevent logon during move mailbox


When the mailbox is being moved, the user won't be able to logon anyway.
Matter of fact it will be a few minutes after the move is complete before
they regain access to the mailbox... if you're not liking this.. then Ed has
the better option... don't let them into the subnet that the exchange boxes
are on.



-Original Message-
From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 8:35 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: how to prevent logon during move mailbox


Better to disconnect them from the network on which the clients reside.

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I
Tech Consultant
hp Services
Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff
Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 4:12 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: how to prevent logon during move mailbox


Move them at 3 AM.

On 2/6/03 17:48, Microsoft Exchange List Server
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



MSX2000+SP3
1 forest 

Do we have any Qarticle explaining how to prevent logon during an exchage 
2000 move mailbox process? 

I have tried the article below it does work for msx2000 

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;218920 






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how to prevent logon during move mailbox

2003-02-06 Thread Microsoft Exchange List Server
MSX2000+SP3
1 forest

Do we have any Qarticle explaining how to prevent logon during an exchage
2000 move mailbox process?

I have tried the article below it does work for msx2000 

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;218920

thanks,
-er

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RE: how to prevent logon during move mailbox

2003-02-06 Thread Ed Crowley
From Exchange 2000 to Exchange 2000?

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Subject: how to prevent logon during move mailbox


MSX2000+SP3
1 forest

Do we have any Qarticle explaining how to prevent logon during an
exchage 2000 move mailbox process?

I have tried the article below it does work for msx2000 

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;218920

thanks,
-er

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RE: how to prevent logon during move mailbox

2003-02-06 Thread Ken . Powell
I'm not sure about Exchange 2000 but with Exchange 5.5 I change the primary
NT account name that has access to it.

Ken Powell
Systems Administrator
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Fax: (360) 759-6001

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Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 3:47 PM
To: Exchange 5.5 List
Subject: how to prevent logon during move mailbox


MSX2000+SP3
1 forest

Do we have any Qarticle explaining how to prevent logon during an exchage
2000 move mailbox process?

I have tried the article below it does work for msx2000 

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;218920

thanks,
-er

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Re: how to prevent logon during move mailbox

2003-02-06 Thread Chris Scharff
Move them at 3 AM.

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MSX2000+SP3 
1 forest 

Do we have any Qarticle explaining how to prevent logon during an exchage 
2000 move mailbox process? 

I have tried the article below it does work for msx2000 

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;218920 






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RE: how to prevent logon during move mailbox

2003-02-06 Thread Microsoft Exchange List Server
yes from MSX2000 to MSX2000

thansk,
-er

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From Exchange 2000 to Exchange 2000?

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I
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MSX2000+SP3
1 forest

Do we have any Qarticle explaining how to prevent logon during an
exchage 2000 move mailbox process?

I have tried the article below it does work for msx2000 

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;218920

thanks,
-er

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Re: how to prevent logon during move mailbox

2003-02-06 Thread Andy David
On Christmas Day.

-- Original Message --
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Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 18:12:20 -0600 

Move them at 3 AM.

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MSX2000+SP3 
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Do we have any Qarticle explaining how to prevent logon during an exchage 
2000 move mailbox process? 

I have tried the article below it does work for msx2000 

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;218920 






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RE: how to prevent logon during move mailbox

2003-02-06 Thread Ed Crowley
Better to disconnect them from the network on which the clients reside.

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I
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Move them at 3 AM.

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MSX2000+SP3
1 forest 

Do we have any Qarticle explaining how to prevent logon during an
exchage 
2000 move mailbox process? 

I have tried the article below it does work for msx2000 

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;218920 






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RE: how to prevent logon during move mailbox

2003-02-06 Thread Edgington, Jeff
When the mailbox is being moved, the user won't be able to logon anyway.
Matter of fact it will be a few minutes after the move is complete
before they regain access to the mailbox... if you're not liking this..
then Ed has the better option... don't let them into the subnet that the
exchange boxes are on.



-Original Message-
From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 8:35 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: how to prevent logon during move mailbox


Better to disconnect them from the network on which the clients reside.

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I
Tech Consultant
hp Services
Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff
Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 4:12 PM
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Subject: Re: how to prevent logon during move mailbox


Move them at 3 AM.

On 2/6/03 17:48, Microsoft Exchange List Server
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MSX2000+SP3
1 forest 

Do we have any Qarticle explaining how to prevent logon during an
exchage 
2000 move mailbox process? 

I have tried the article below it does work for msx2000 

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;218920 






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