Re: [exim] exim-4.94.2+taintwarn - when will it be EOL?
On 26.05.21 15:07, Heiko Schlittermann via Exim-users wrote: We're not talking about EOL of the taintwarn feature right now. But its EOL will be definitly in one of the next releases. But *not* in 4.95. Thanks for clarifying. Sorry for the noise from my side resulting from misunderstanding the plans. Regards, Paul -- ## List details at https://lists.exim.org/mailman/listinfo/exim-users ## Exim details at http://www.exim.org/ ## Please use the Wiki with this list - http://wiki.exim.org/
Re: [exim] IRC channel for Exim
On 2021-05-26 Jeremy Harris via Exim-users wrote: > Hi All, > We have used Freenode for an IRC channel (#exim) for many years. > Recent developments are making me consider a move, possibly > to irc.libera.chat (port 6697 for SSL; #exim). The channel > exists but I've not yet gotten it confirmed as representing > the Exim project. > If anyone wants to comment, please raise a hand. Hello, I would suggest moving, either to OFTC or to irc.libera.chat. I am not using IRC anymore so I have no recent direct user experience but I gather that Debian has been happy with OFTC since moving from freenode ages ago. See e.g. https://diziet.dreamwidth.org/8514.html cu Andreas -- ## List details at https://lists.exim.org/mailman/listinfo/exim-users ## Exim details at http://www.exim.org/ ## Please use the Wiki with this list - http://wiki.exim.org/
Re: [exim] IRC channel for Exim
On 26/5/21 6:55 pm, Jeremy Harris via Exim-users wrote: > Hi All, > > We have used Freenode for an IRC channel (#exim) for many years. > Recent developments are making me consider a move, possibly > to irc.libera.chat (port 6697 for SSL; #exim). The channel > exists but I've not yet gotten it confirmed as representing > the Exim project. > > If anyone wants to comment, please raise a hand. Freenode hitting the news reminded me to get my IRC client out and replace the auto-join with libera.chat. It's only the first few days but it seems that quite a few projects have already dumped freenode in favour of libera.chat. It looks like the #exim channel has been registered, but that may have been the network ops reserving all of the known namespaces to avoid spam registrations. The ops have been quite good at handing them off to the maintainers of the projects upon request. The water seems fine - come on in. -- ## List details at https://lists.exim.org/mailman/listinfo/exim-users ## Exim details at http://www.exim.org/ ## Please use the Wiki with this list - http://wiki.exim.org/
Re: [exim] exim-4.94.2+taintwarn - when will it be EOL?
Paul Muster via Exim-users (Di 25 Mai 2021 16:36:26 CEST):
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> > > telling people about possible config breaking.
> > 4.95 is a major release.
Some clarification: The *branch* will be merged, but the "taintwarn"
feature won't disappear with 4.95.
But everybody should read the big red announcement that accompanies the
"taintwarn" feature: A *future* version of Exim will ignore this new (and
deprecated already now) option. Currently it is not clear, what "future"
means.
The option is meant as mitigation in case you upgrade from <4.94 to
>=4.94. In theory everybody should run 4.94.2 now (as all other versions
are not secure anymore. In practice backports to previous versions exist
(I know of 4.92.3 + security patches, others might exist.) So in theory
everybody now has the chance to make the configuration secure until we
release an Exim w/o the "taintwarn" feature.
But that's theory, as "officially" the "taintwarn" doesn't even exist.
It creeped into the 4.94.2+fixes branch silently, some may have it,
others may not have it. (Debian has it, e.g. And Debian was the reason
for me to develop it, as they want to ship 4.94, and w/o "taintwarn"
this would ask for trouble with all letters capitalized.)
> > And the intent of the taintwarn
> > addition is to not break anything.
>
> Yes, sure. But _EoL_ _of the taintwarn feature_ finally *will* break running
> configs. Therefore the taintwarn feature has been built - to make a step
> inbetween "works" and "breaks", the phase "warns". Isn't it?
We're not talking about EOL of the taintwarn feature right now. But its
EOL will be definitly in one of the next releases. But *not* in 4.95.
To rephrase it:
- Exim 4.95 will contain "taintwarn"
- It is meant as support for upgrading your config, w/o breaking your
setup instantly.
- With a future¹ release of Exim we will drop the "taintwarn" support.
- If you failed to upgrade your config, your setup will be broken with a
future¹ release of Exim.
¹) It is not decided yet, what "future" means. It may or may not be 4.96.
Best regards from Dresden/Germany
Viele Grüße aus Dresden
Heiko Schlittermann
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Re: [exim] IRC channel for Exim
On 26/05/2021 10:46, Cyborg via Exim-users wrote: The next question is easy to guess.. why not switching to Matrix? It would be the perfect moment. Against: admin effort is not free. I've seen no new volunteers coming forward for Exim recently. -- Cheers, Jeremy -- ## List details at https://lists.exim.org/mailman/listinfo/exim-users ## Exim details at http://www.exim.org/ ## Please use the Wiki with this list - http://wiki.exim.org/
Re: [exim] IRC channel for Exim
Am 26.05.21 um 10:55 schrieb Jeremy Harris via Exim-users: Hi All, We have used Freenode for an IRC channel (#exim) for many years. Recent developments are making me consider a move, possibly to irc.libera.chat (port 6697 for SSL; #exim). The channel exists but I've not yet gotten it confirmed as representing the Exim project. If anyone wants to comment, please raise a hand. Reminder: The Freenode Bridge to Matrix (#freenode_#exim:matrix.org ) must be established from LibraChat. The next question is easy to guess.. why not switching to Matrix? It would be the perfect moment. As one already there, it's great :) Matrix has some benefits: It's easy to self host i.e. on exim.org. This way the channel will persist as long as exim lives. If the room is made public, anyone with a matrixaccount can join, no additional setup required. No trouble with NICKSERV anymore. Matrix has a build in Rightsmanagement: You can have private & secure group channels i.e. for devs & maintainers only Moderators for the public rooms. In common clients, E2EC is implemented, which makes it pretty secure to exchange security related informations about Exploits etc. Matrix also supports exchange of media files, in case it's needed and i.e. inside fedora sig mobility, we make use of it a lot. But i can forsee that this is to limited use in an exim group ;) Matrix offers a history of the channel, so you do not miss anything important, if offline. If you use a modern full featured client, Audio & Videocalls between users are possible. Adhoc videoconferencing is possible. This comes in very handy for dev meetings. Bridging to Signal, Skype, IRC, Telegram and others is possible. -- ## List details at https://lists.exim.org/mailman/listinfo/exim-users ## Exim details at http://www.exim.org/ ## Please use the Wiki with this list - http://wiki.exim.org/
[exim] IRC channel for Exim
Hi All, We have used Freenode for an IRC channel (#exim) for many years. Recent developments are making me consider a move, possibly to irc.libera.chat (port 6697 for SSL; #exim). The channel exists but I've not yet gotten it confirmed as representing the Exim project. If anyone wants to comment, please raise a hand. -- Cheers, Jeremy -- ## List details at https://lists.exim.org/mailman/listinfo/exim-users ## Exim details at http://www.exim.org/ ## Please use the Wiki with this list - http://wiki.exim.org/
