Re: [expert] Building ISOs with MakeCD
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 October 18, 2003 02:07 pm, Charlie M. wrote: whack The only ISOs I've generated are from my local cooker mirror and are called Cooker Download after generation, but after install the boot splash identifies it as 9.2 Download edition. If you're impatient for the release you could try that, I don't know if it will work still since I did this before rsync started actually pulling new packages. In other words when cooker was still frozen. OK; I've generated a new set of ISOs from my local cooker tree yesterday and upgraded from them. Everything was generally all right with a couple of minor exceptions. xchat wouldn't install, error opening package messages at the console when the graphic progress bar seemed to be hanging, and KDE doesn't load a desktop at all. Blue screen, not desktop or icons or taskbar, but the KDE is starting sound plays. That IIRC is apparently because the KDE maintainer built the .80 version with the wrong compiler or some such. So for now, until I have a chance to do a bit of fixing and patching, I'm stuck with Ice-worm or GNOME or other. I can't install cooker for anyone that uses a KDE desktop from these disks. I'll take a swing at remastering the ISOs from my local 9.2 tree later today, adding the updates, and see if I get an installable set of disks, then report the results here. Thank [Deity] for CD-RWs. This could get expensive if I was forced to use CD-R disks. g Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-19mdk 10:35:31 up 17:27, 2 users, load average: 0.05, 0.11, 0.09 Knock, knock! Who's there? Sam and Janet. Sam and Janet who? Sam and Janet Evening... -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/nAhdG11CaRuZZSIRArVkAJ9yErkpEO2tL2xsDxgYi8rxH+8/8wCfSSr0 hAZr/hbjim0yzjS1Rqt9nZI= =N4Fe -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Building ISOs with MakeCD
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 October 26, 2003 11:43 am, Greg Meyer wrote: [..] I'll take a swing at remastering the ISOs from my local 9.2 tree later today, adding the updates, and see if I get an installable set of disks, then report the results here. Thank [Deity] for CD-RWs. This could get expensive if I was forced to use CD-R disks. g Could you either report back here or e-mail me with the details of what you are doing. I am trying to build a page on the cooker twiki that describes how to make a new set of install disks with the updates slipstreamed. Sure, as soon as I finish editing the relevant files and am able to generate a set of ISOs I'll burn and test. I document _everything_ I do Greg. My short term memory sucks, so I'm one of those people that carries a notebook everwhere and is always jotting notes to myself. So as soon as I make some progress, and have readable notes, I'll send a copy direct to you, OK? BTW the cooker ISOs I generated and tested for installation yesterday worked fine other than the xchat glitch, the KDE .80 packages built with the incorrect qt version, and the fact that the cooker tree hasn't really updated since Thursday. Regards; Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-19mdk 11:56:05 up 56 min, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.07, 0.12 Don't plan any hasty moves. You'll be evicted soon anyway. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/nCCMG11CaRuZZSIRAnOuAJsH8pjFUK6wNetaTcsJsDbALsYnNQCeK8nA HwnETveyUX452M2yMTeHhG0= =1eQW -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Building ISOs with MakeCD
On Sunday 26 October 2003 12:46 pm, Charlie M. wrote: October 18, 2003 02:07 pm, Charlie M. wrote: whack The only ISOs I've generated are from my local cooker mirror and are called Cooker Download after generation, but after install the boot splash identifies it as 9.2 Download edition. If you're impatient for the release you could try that, I don't know if it will work still since I did this before rsync started actually pulling new packages. In other words when cooker was still frozen. OK; I've generated a new set of ISOs from my local cooker tree yesterday and upgraded from them. Everything was generally all right with a couple of minor exceptions. xchat wouldn't install, error opening package messages at the console when the graphic progress bar seemed to be hanging, and KDE doesn't load a desktop at all. Blue screen, not desktop or icons or taskbar, but the KDE is starting sound plays. That IIRC is apparently because the KDE maintainer built the .80 version with the wrong compiler or some such. So for now, until I have a chance to do a bit of fixing and patching, I'm stuck with Ice-worm or GNOME or other. I can't install cooker for anyone that uses a KDE desktop from these disks. I'll take a swing at remastering the ISOs from my local 9.2 tree later today, adding the updates, and see if I get an installable set of disks, then report the results here. Thank [Deity] for CD-RWs. This could get expensive if I was forced to use CD-R disks. g Could you either report back here or e-mail me with the details of what you are doing. I am trying to build a page on the cooker twiki that describes how to make a new set of install disks with the updates slipstreamed. -- /g Outside of a dog, a man's best friend is a book, inside a dog it's too dark to read -Groucho Marx Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Building ISOs with MakeCD
The dependency problems is only makecd's way to inform you that those packages won't be on the cd's as you cant install them anyway... Could you explain it better? Why shouldn't he be able to install them anyway? Thanks Olaf Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Building ISOs with MakeCD
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 October 18, 2003 06:08 pm, Joeb wrote: [..] Hi Joe; In this part of the development cycle cooker as frozen for release is 9.2, 9.2 is cooker to all intents and purposes. The script used to generate the ISOs is slightly different but the packages are basically the same. The only ISOs I've generated are from my local cooker mirror and are called Cooker Download after generation, but after install the boot splash identifies it as 9.2 Download edition. If you're impatient for the release you could try that, I don't know if it will work still since I did this before rsync started actually pulling new packages. In other words when cooker was still frozen. I still have those ISOs and a set of CD-RW disks I burned from them. I also have a set I made yesterday with all of the updates, and the set I made from the 9.2 tree. Neither of the latter two will install the distribution here, they both hang at second stage install stage. The ISOs I used to update my son's machine to 9.2 (made from a torrent download through his Club account) worked fine. So did the original cooker set made on 24 September 2003. Personally I think I'll wait for the 7 disk Power Pack from the Mandrake Store. Disks only, no support, no manuals etc. But not for this box. It stays cooked. This still applies. I won't be trying to make any more ISOs until cooker is no longer frozen. I will try an install just far enough to be certain everything works but since I'm already running it for all intents and purposes I won't be too concerned about a fresh install or upgrade. I'll probably wait for the power pack, too. I was just curious as to how to do it. The CDs I made, did boot, but I didn't try installing because of all of the dependency errors (most of them in apach2, but there were others, too, like gdm). My real reason to try was that I have a high speed connection from work, but not home. But the work connection does work with BitTorrent. So, I could ftp the 9.2 tree down and I thought I would build my own ISOs. Like I said, the process was pretty smooth (although lengthy) and I ended up with 8 CDs (I included contrib, too). But, with all of those dependency errors, I didn't want to risk screwing something up (my test linux box is temporarily in production). As stated above, I did try to install with the disks I made just to check, and they hang at stage two. In reality, downloading the tree and running MakeCD was not significantly more work that ftp'ing ISOs. Oh well, the powerpack should be shipping in the next two weeks! Joeb Installing from a boot disk made from hdimg.cz in the 9.2 tree and the cooker tree both work. But the disks I made don't. Go figure. Regards; Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-18mdk The best security update for Windows that I've found is the installer for Mandrake Linux. Especially the Use Entire Disk option. (-; -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/mU0gG11CaRuZZSIRAqAGAJ0XMwnBHIllrCp7KwlUnOfumnzw/ACfRCUB UmQmvBNmNZp7gy0sniJ6328= =BFQa -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Building ISOs with MakeCD
From: Joeb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Charlie M. wrote: [...] Have you run gendistrib yet? I believe that's used to clean the trees before building ISOs but I could be wrong. I'm sure there are notes about it on the TWiki (cooker). gendistrib if for prepairing the tree for hd / network installs... you don't need it for making cds... both gendistrib and makecd does that procedure... gendistrib verifies dependencies and write one hdlist.cz / synthesis for the whole media, leaving out the packages that don't have their depencies met... as for makecd is does the exact same thing, but it splits up hdlist.cz and synthesis based on amount of cd's, and their contents (so urpmi/rpmdrake will know on wich cd to look...) [...] I'll probably wait for the power pack, too. I was just curious as to how to do it. The CDs I made, did boot, but I didn't try installing because of all of the dependency errors (most of them in apach2, but there were others, too, like gdm). My real reason to try was that I have a high speed connection from work, but not home. But the work connection does work with BitTorrent. So, I could ftp the 9.2 tree down and I thought I would build my own ISOs. Like I said, the process was pretty smooth (although lengthy) and I ended up with 8 CDs (I included contrib, too). But, with all of those dependency errors, I didn't want to risk screwing something up (my test linux box is temporarily in production). The dependency problems is only makecd's way to inform you that those packages won't be on the cd's as you cant install them anyway... so it does make the cd's installable ... In reality, downloading the tree and running MakeCD was not significantly more work that ftp'ing ISOs. Oh well, the powerpack should be shipping in the next two weeks! Joeb Regards Thomas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Building ISOs with MakeCD
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 October 19, 2003 06:11 am, Thomas Backlund wrote: [...] Have you run gendistrib yet? I believe that's used to clean the trees before building ISOs but I could be wrong. I'm sure there are notes about it on the TWiki (cooker). gendistrib if for prepairing the tree for hd / network installs... you don't need it for making cds... I guess that's another of those things I do from habit then. Left over from too many urpmi errors/installation failed messages. both gendistrib and makecd does that procedure... gendistrib verifies dependencies and write one hdlist.cz / synthesis for the whole media, leaving out the packages that don't have their depencies met... After I posted that reply I ran makecd against my local cooker tree to build a set of disks for a friend that wants to participate but has broadband that isn't quite. Tons and tons of errors/warnings but it did generate disks. I'll post if they aren't usable for an install. That won't necessarily apply to the 9.2 tree though. It's a cooker tree. as for makecd is does the exact same thing, but it splits up hdlist.cz and synthesis based on amount of cd's, and their contents (so urpmi/rpmdrake will know on wich cd to look...) [...] I'll probably wait for the power pack, too. I was just curious as to how to do it. The CDs I made, did boot, but I didn't try installing because of all of the dependency errors (most of them in apach2, but there were others, too, like gdm). My real reason to try was that I have a high speed connection from work, but not home. But the work connection does work with BitTorrent. So, I could ftp the 9.2 tree down and I thought I would build my own ISOs. Like I said, the process was pretty smooth (although lengthy) and I ended up with 8 CDs (I included contrib, too). But, with all of those dependency errors, I didn't want to risk screwing something up (my test linux box is temporarily in production). The dependency problems is only makecd's way to inform you that those packages won't be on the cd's as you cant install them anyway... so it does make the cd's installable ... In reality, downloading the tree and running MakeCD was not significantly more work that ftp'ing ISOs. Oh well, the powerpack should be shipping in the next two weeks! Joeb Regards Thomas I'll eventually attain knowledge enough to be as helpful as some others on these lists. Maybeif my head doesn't explode. (-: My mission at the moment though is to see how long I can keep this cooker install up to date without having to reboot/hd install. The only real reason to reboot now would be to start using one of the newer kernels I've installed. I really am good at breaking things through sheer ape-like curiosity though. g Speaking of kernels; I for one appreciate all your hard work on that front. Thanks Thomas. Regards; Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-10mdk 10:51:11 up 29 days, 14 min, 1 user, load average: 0.04, 0.04, 0.21 You know you've landed gear-up when it takes full power to taxi. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/ksgOG11CaRuZZSIRAn2ZAJ919b8Qbv1yJzpi5jpDYbHhYUBgNgCeP+UZ 3Z3D+uB4kZZP9BmBTSIKBj4= =VEaz -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Building ISOs with MakeCD
On Sun, 2003-10-19 at 10:21, Charlie M. wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 October 19, 2003 06:11 am, Thomas Backlund wrote: [...] Have you run gendistrib yet? I believe that's used to clean the trees before building ISOs but I could be wrong. I'm sure there are notes about it on the TWiki (cooker). gendistrib if for prepairing the tree for hd / network installs... you don't need it for making cds... I guess that's another of those things I do from habit then. Left over from too many urpmi errors/installation failed messages. both gendistrib and makecd does that procedure... gendistrib verifies dependencies and write one hdlist.cz / synthesis for the whole media, leaving out the packages that don't have their depencies met... After I posted that reply I ran makecd against my local cooker tree to build a set of disks for a friend that wants to participate but has broadband that isn't quite. Tons and tons of errors/warnings but it did generate disks. I'll post if they aren't usable for an install. That won't necessarily apply to the 9.2 tree though. It's a cooker tree. as for makecd is does the exact same thing, but it splits up hdlist.cz and synthesis based on amount of cd's, and their contents (so urpmi/rpmdrake will know on wich cd to look...) [...] I'll probably wait for the power pack, too. I was just curious as to how to do it. The CDs I made, did boot, but I didn't try installing because of all of the dependency errors (most of them in apach2, but there were others, too, like gdm). My real reason to try was that I have a high speed connection from work, but not home. But the work connection does work with BitTorrent. So, I could ftp the 9.2 tree down and I thought I would build my own ISOs. Like I said, the process was pretty smooth (although lengthy) and I ended up with 8 CDs (I included contrib, too). But, with all of those dependency errors, I didn't want to risk screwing something up (my test linux box is temporarily in production). The dependency problems is only makecd's way to inform you that those packages won't be on the cd's as you cant install them anyway... so it does make the cd's installable ... In reality, downloading the tree and running MakeCD was not significantly more work that ftp'ing ISOs. Oh well, the powerpack should be shipping in the next two weeks! Joeb Regards Thomas I'll eventually attain knowledge enough to be as helpful as some others on these lists. Maybeif my head doesn't explode. (-: My mission at the moment though is to see how long I can keep this cooker install up to date without having to reboot/hd install. The only real reason to reboot now would be to start using one of the newer kernels I've installed. I really am good at breaking things through sheer ape-like curiosity though. g Charlie, I know that one. I remember RH4.2 and two solid weeks of install adjust break... re-install, adjust, break,. And for those who say a re-install is never needed. You should have seen how well I broke 4.2 One thing I got really good at was setting up multi-boot boxes. (I was running RH4.2, A Korean Linux who's name I've forgotten, FreeBSD 2.6 and winders ninety weight.) All on a single pair of 3 gig drives. My greatest discovery was KDE 0.5(or thereabouts) for FreeBSD. And yes, KDE was originally a FreeBSD wm. James Speaking of kernels; I for one appreciate all your hard work on that front. Thanks Thomas. Regards; Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-10mdk 10:51:11 up 29 days, 14 min, 1 user, load average: 0.04, 0.04, 0.21 You know you've landed gear-up when it takes full power to taxi. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/ksgOG11CaRuZZSIRAn2ZAJ919b8Qbv1yJzpi5jpDYbHhYUBgNgCeP+UZ 3Z3D+uB4kZZP9BmBTSIKBj4= =VEaz -END PGP SIGNATURE- __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Building ISOs with MakeCD
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 October 19, 2003 03:39 pm, James Sparenberg wrote: whack I'll eventually attain knowledge enough to be as helpful as some others on these lists. Maybeif my head doesn't explode. (-: My mission at the moment though is to see how long I can keep this cooker install up to date without having to reboot/hd install. The only real reason to reboot now would be to start using one of the newer kernels I've installed. I really am good at breaking things through sheer ape-like curiosity though. g Charlie, I know that one. I remember RH4.2 and two solid weeks of install adjust break... re-install, adjust, break,. And for those who say a re-install is never needed. You should have seen how well I broke 4.2 One thing I got really good at was setting up multi-boot boxes. (I was running RH4.2, A Korean Linux who's name I've forgotten, FreeBSD 2.6 and winders ninety weight.) All on a single pair of 3 gig drives. My greatest discovery was KDE 0.5(or thereabouts) for FreeBSD. And yes, KDE was originally a FreeBSD wm. James That all sounds _so_ familiar. :-))) Especially the winders ninety weight (SE) part. The versions were more recent but the pain of the self inflicted variety was similar. I remember hating GNOME and being ecstatic when I was able to run KDE too. I still hate GNOME but I'm more inclined to ignore KDE as well now. Thanks James for bringing back those memories to illustrate that it ain't as tough as it once was. g Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-10mdk 15:52:37 up 29 days, 5:15, 1 user, load average: 0.05, 0.11, 0.09 You will attract cultured and artistic people to your home. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/kwjkG11CaRuZZSIRAk3HAJwM/1ZkGT+3g8eGTmkPUX1l402nlgCfbx4F tTbfKZeH+bGrKC3HHv6Kqgc= =+2LK -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Building ISOs with MakeCD
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 October 18, 2003 09:03 am, Joeb wrote: I've downloaded the 9.2 tree and I am attempting to build the ISO images with MakeCD. Using the commands in the README.MakeCD, the ISOs are all created, but there are a lot packages that give dependency errors and are left out. Also, I notice that the descriptions for the ISOs all refer to Cooker-Download 1 (2,3,4,etc). I'm wondering if what is out on the servers is really 9.2 or is it a cooker snapshot?Also, there is a i586/misc/doc directory that looks like it has a configuration file for 9.2, but I can't figure out how to use it. Since it takes a long time to build the ISOs, trial and error becomes very frustrating. So, has anyone else tried building the ISOs with MakeCD? Joeb p.s. if/when I get this to work, with all of the wrinkles out, I'll post it to the twiki. Hi Joe; In this part of the development cycle cooker as frozen for release is 9.2, 9.2 is cooker to all intents and purposes. The script used to generate the ISOs is slightly different but the packages are basically the same. The only ISOs I've generated are from my local cooker mirror and are called Cooker Download after generation, but after install the boot splash identifies it as 9.2 Download edition. If you're impatient for the release you could try that, I don't know if it will work still since I did this before rsync started actually pulling new packages. In other words when cooker was still frozen. Have you run gendistrib yet? I believe that's used to clean the trees before building ISOs but I could be wrong. I'm sure there are notes about it on the TWiki (cooker). http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/CookerHowTo#Running_gendistrib There are links and mini how-tos from that page to MakeCD and other tidbits. Personally I think I'll wait for the 7 disk Power Pack from the Mandrake Store. Disks only, no support, no manuals etc. But not for this box. It stays cooked. http://www.mandrakestore.com/mdkinc/index.php?PAGE=tab_6/menu_1.phpid_art=346LANG_=en#GOTO_346 That link will probably wrap. Regards; Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-10mdk 13:49:56 up 28 days, 3:12, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 I owe the government $3400 in taxes. So I sent them two hammers and a toilet seat. -- Michael McShane -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/kZ18G11CaRuZZSIRAjQtAKCaLPomkCb9mwTpgkCKE3My+TMCygCgoMj9 0kblIwlOma81Q57DvC21nF0= =SvRg -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Building ISOs with MakeCD
Charlie M. wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 October 18, 2003 09:03 am, Joeb wrote: I've downloaded the 9.2 tree and I am attempting to build the ISO images with MakeCD. Using the commands in the README.MakeCD, the ISOs are all created, but there are a lot packages that give dependency errors and are left out. Also, I notice that the descriptions for the ISOs all refer to Cooker-Download 1 (2,3,4,etc). I'm wondering if what is out on the servers is really 9.2 or is it a cooker snapshot?Also, there is a i586/misc/doc directory that looks like it has a configuration file for 9.2, but I can't figure out how to use it. Since it takes a long time to build the ISOs, trial and error becomes very frustrating. So, has anyone else tried building the ISOs with MakeCD? Joeb p.s. if/when I get this to work, with all of the wrinkles out, I'll post it to the twiki. Hi Joe; In this part of the development cycle cooker as frozen for release is 9.2, 9.2 is cooker to all intents and purposes. The script used to generate the ISOs is slightly different but the packages are basically the same. The only ISOs I've generated are from my local cooker mirror and are called Cooker Download after generation, but after install the boot splash identifies it as 9.2 Download edition. If you're impatient for the release you could try that, I don't know if it will work still since I did this before rsync started actually pulling new packages. In other words when cooker was still frozen. Have you run gendistrib yet? I believe that's used to clean the trees before building ISOs but I could be wrong. I'm sure there are notes about it on the TWiki (cooker). http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/CookerHowTo#Running_gendistrib There are links and mini how-tos from that page to MakeCD and other tidbits. Personally I think I'll wait for the 7 disk Power Pack from the Mandrake Store. Disks only, no support, no manuals etc. But not for this box. It stays cooked. http://www.mandrakestore.com/mdkinc/index.php?PAGE=tab_6/menu_1.phpid_art=346LANG_=en#GOTO_346 That link will probably wrap. Regards; Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-10mdk 13:49:56 up 28 days, 3:12, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 I owe the government $3400 in taxes. So I sent them two hammers and a toilet seat. -- Michael McShane -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/kZ18G11CaRuZZSIRAjQtAKCaLPomkCb9mwTpgkCKE3My+TMCygCgoMj9 0kblIwlOma81Q57DvC21nF0= =SvRg -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com I'll probably wait for the power pack, too. I was just curious as to how to do it. The CDs I made, did boot, but I didn't try installing because of all of the dependency errors (most of them in apach2, but there were others, too, like gdm). My real reason to try was that I have a high speed connection from work, but not home. But the work connection does work with BitTorrent. So, I could ftp the 9.2 tree down and I thought I would build my own ISOs. Like I said, the process was pretty smooth (although lengthy) and I ended up with 8 CDs (I included contrib, too). But, with all of those dependency errors, I didn't want to risk screwing something up (my test linux box is temporarily in production). In reality, downloading the tree and running MakeCD was not significantly more work that ftp'ing ISOs. Oh well, the powerpack should be shipping in the next two weeks! Joeb Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com