Re: [Factor-talk] Arch Linux factor PKGBUILD

2010-07-16 Thread Vesa Kaihlavirta
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 12:22 AM, Marek Kubica ma...@xivilization.net wrote:
 Hi,

 Some of you saw it already on IRC, but maybe there are other fellow
 Arch users in here which have a use for it:

 I created a `factor' AUR package which tracks the most recent Factor
 release. It also includes a nifty icon and a menu bar entry.

 The package can be found here:
 http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=38902

Nice! I worked on that for a while, but, as often is the case, never
bothered to finish the last 5%...

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[Factor-talk] information request about ui part

2010-07-16 Thread Kobi Lurie
  Hey guys, I'm looking to do more serious 'factor'ing, and want to 
build a complete app.
But the documentation for the gui part, is very limited.
(I also like the portable nature of the gui and that it looks the same - 
and would like to create something)

Are there any tutorials I missed, or that you're in the middle of?
can I ask questions here, as I'm unpuzzling this?

on a related note, the rebol gui was the easiest/cutest I saw.
Does the factor base lack gui applications because of a limitation or 
poor api of gadgets, or simply no interest yet?


I'm very interested to have atleast some initial basis to build upon,
and feel that it's a shame to switch languages just because of a 
library. factor code is nice and simple imo.

Welcoming any info and comments,
Kobi

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Re: [Factor-talk] information request about ui part

2010-07-16 Thread Jim mack
Not to speak against the gui, I just want to weigh in by mentioning that
factor can host a website locally as well.  You can deploy an executable,
stripped down  compiled factor that serves some local ip  port, then the
user just browses to it.

On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 7:38 AM, Kobi Lurie k_lu...@gbrener.org.il wrote:

  Hey guys, I'm looking to do more serious 'factor'ing, and want to
 build a complete app.
 But the documentation for the gui part, is very limited.
 (I also like the portable nature of the gui and that it looks the same -
 and would like to create something)

 Are there any tutorials I missed, or that you're in the middle of?
 can I ask questions here, as I'm unpuzzling this?

 on a related note, the rebol gui was the easiest/cutest I saw.
 Does the factor base lack gui applications because of a limitation or
 poor api of gadgets, or simply no interest yet?


 I'm very interested to have atleast some initial basis to build upon,
 and feel that it's a shame to switch languages just because of a
 library. factor code is nice and simple imo.

 Welcoming any info and comments,
 Kobi

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Re: [Factor-talk] Arch Linux factor PKGBUILD

2010-07-16 Thread Marek Kubica
On Fri, 16 Jul 2010 11:32:15 +0300
Vesa Kaihlavirta vpkai...@gmail.com wrote:

 Nice! I worked on that for a while, but, as often is the case, never
 bothered to finish the last 5%...

Yeah, I got some help from the factor-git PKGBUILD and the IRC channel,
so it was feasible :) And a great deal easier than creating Debian
packages.

regards,
Marek

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Re: [Factor-talk] information request about ui part

2010-07-16 Thread Gabriel Cuvillier

The actual UI have a lot of potential, with great ideas from CLIM. Very 
few other open source PL provide such cross platform GUI toolkits on 
their own (maybe Squeak/Morphic), and it is a quite nice job.

I hope too that development on that part of Factor will continue: more 
gadgets (such as the missing combo-box ), customizable look and feel and 
skinning, etc.

On the opposite side, it could be interesting too to have bindings to 
existing cross platform GUI toolkits with a more traditional and native 
look and feel.

Since such toolkits are generally difficult to bind due to their C++ 
nature (Qt, WxWidgets, ...) maybe it could be a better idea to provide 
bindings to a more lightweight library. More precisely I am thinking 
about IUP (http://www.tecgraf.puc-rio.br/iup/), a cross platform GUI 
toolkit being developed by PUC-Rio. It was initialy developed to be used 
by the Lua programming language, but since it is written in pure C with 
just about 100 functions, Factor should handle it nicely too.

Good idea?

Gabriel.

Kobi Lurie a écrit :
   Hey guys, I'm looking to do more serious 'factor'ing, and want to 
 build a complete app.
 But the documentation for the gui part, is very limited.
 (I also like the portable nature of the gui and that it looks the same - 
 and would like to create something)

 Are there any tutorials I missed, or that you're in the middle of?
 can I ask questions here, as I'm unpuzzling this?

 on a related note, the rebol gui was the easiest/cutest I saw.
 Does the factor base lack gui applications because of a limitation or 
 poor api of gadgets, or simply no interest yet?


 I'm very interested to have atleast some initial basis to build upon,
 and feel that it's a shame to switch languages just because of a 
 library. factor code is nice and simple imo.

 Welcoming any info and comments,
 Kobi

   


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[Factor-talk] Heads up: with-out-parameters API change

2010-07-16 Thread Slava Pestov
Hi all,

The with-out-parameters combinator now takes two parameters instead of
three. The 'finish' quotation is no longer needed, and

{ A } [ B ] [ C ] with-out-parameters

is now equivalent to

{ A } [ B ] with-out-parameters C

Formerly the finish quotation was used to clone struct out parameters.
This is now done automatically so that is why it is no longer needed.

Also, both with-out-parameters and with-scoped-allocation now support
an initial: specifier, for initializing out parameters to constants:

{ { int initial: 0 } } [ get_width_of_foo ] with-out-parameters

Slava

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Re: [Factor-talk] information request about ui part

2010-07-16 Thread Jeremy Hughes
Hi Gabriel,

On 17/07/10 07:45, Gabriel Cuvillier wrote:
 On the opposite side, it could be interesting too to have bindings to
 existing cross platform GUI toolkits with a more traditional and native
 look and feel.

I have almost finished a C++ ffi and binding to Qt. Hang around for
another week or so and it should be done.

Jeremy

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