[FairfieldLife] Re: Abortion question on FFL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 19, 2005, at 3:04 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: Intuitively, to me, the first breathe is the setting up of your astrological chart because with the first breathe is the imprint of the situation of the stars and planets in the cosmos upon the individual nervous system... Exactly. Tibetan and Ayurvedic medicine says that birth begins at sperm-egg fusion--that's when the doshas are established. But is that when the soul enters the body? Do Tibetan and Ayurvedic medical traditions discuss abortion? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Quotes from repubs when Clinton went to war
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: did any of the quotes in question compare Clinton to Hitler or call him the worst terrorist on the planet? Clinton himself, or just his penis? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Abortion question on FFL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/19/05 2:18 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote Of course, the Hare Krishnas go beyond all of that: they believe that the karma of killing so many cows for consumption in America is very, very bad. Indeed, I remember about 25 years ago when some nutcase went into a MacDonald's and shot everyone in sight that the Krishna's released a press statement saying that that was direct karma for killing millions of cows. I heard that Sattynand (one of MMY's disciples) said that the reason America doesn't have any great leaders is that they eat them all. Maharishi said it. I used to have the tape. He said all cows are reborn not only as humans, but as teachers. If we kill cows before they are allowed to reach their full development as cows, then sub-standard teachers is born, incapable of understanding and teaching pure knowledge, and the society is doomed to ignorance. It's as good an explanation as any for the current state of education in the USA... I wonder if there is a correlation between being a beef-eating/beef-producing state, and educational scoring... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Abortion question on FFL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/19/05 2:18 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote Of course, the Hare Krishnas go beyond all of that: they believe that the karma of killing so many cows for consumption in America is very bad. Indeed, I remember about 25 years ago when some nutcase went into a MacDonald's and shot everyone in sight that Krishna's released a press statement saying that that was direct karma for killing millions of cows. I heard that Sattynand (one of MMY's disciples) said that the reason America doesn't have any great leaders is that they eat them all. Maharishi said it. I used to have the tape. He said all cows are reborn not only as humans, but as teachers. If we kill cows before they are allowed to reach their full development as cows, then sub-standard teachers is born, incapable of understanding and teaching pure knowledge, and the society is doomed to ignorance. Sounds like bull to me. :-) But it makes as much sense as bringing about world peace by tearing down all the world's buildings and building new ones. Since virtually all the world's buildings HAVE been torn down at one point or another and others put in their place, I dont' think that this makes sense. Come to think of it, its not what is being claimed, either.. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Quotes from repubs when Clinton went to war
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: did any of the quotes in question compare Clinton to Hitler or call him the worst terrorist on the planet? Nope. Has any Democratic national office holder compared Bush to Hitler or called him the worst terrorist on the planet? Not that I'm aware of off the top of my head...but, of course, Democrat-sympathizers who are NOT office holders have -- Janeane Garofalo does it on a daily basis, so has Sheehan. These quotes were all from Republican office-holders. I don't think you really want to get into what Republicans who weren't office holders called Clinton. I don't think Buchanan is a Republican office holder, is he? Wasn't he one of the ones quoted? Close enough; he was a serious presidential candidate. In that case, so was John Hagelin. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Vedic math?
Reposting a request from another spiritual bulletin board, if anyone can help this fellow out. He's a programmer/math nerd, probably interested in whether he can develop interesting new algorithms. I figured if there's anywhere folks might know, it would be here. Thanks in advance. Hey has anyone got any good links/hints about Vedic Math? I happened to come across some stuff recently, at which first looked a little off the wall, but after a little investigation, keen to investigate further. Unc Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: news from Global country (Money vs. Enlightenment)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...what is *most* offensive is the basic theory behind what Maharishi is proposing, which is that the relative world has the ability to prevent inner peace and enlight- enment, and that the only real way to realize these goals is to reshape the relative world. It's as far from the eternal message of enlightenment as it is possible to get. Yes, the irony is that MMY's was a revival of 'lost knowledge' when he was teaching the Gita and TM in the 1950's, 1960's and early 70's. A knowledge that would last 10,000 generations. In less than one generation he un-did and buried his initial work by his own hand and whims pursuing money-making and this kind of minutia of detail in vastu selling by whipping up such anxiety about the relative. At one time inside the TM.org this type of whipping up of such things mental was called 'mis-stake of the intellect'. The irony is huge. You should listen to a lecture of Jonathan Lipman's as a chief spokesperson architect about MSV. He is masterful in his marketing from the git-go, it is about cultivating aggrevation in the vatta dirrangible. In teaching 'the knowledge', one other saint's reaction to the whole 'peace palace' thing was succinct: Peace is not found in palaces. Peace is where people gather peacefully. Why not in palaces? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Abortion question on FFL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maharishi said it. I used to have the tape. He said all cows are reborn not only as humans, but as teachers. If we kill cows before they are allowed to reach their full development as cows, then sub-standard teachers is born, incapable of understanding and teaching pure knowledge, and the society is doomed to ignorance. Why *cows*, for heaven's sake? Horses, I could understand. Yeah, cows-as-teachers doesn't make much sense to me, either. They're such moo makers. The whole idea is udderly ridiculous. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: news from Global country (Money vs. Enlightenment)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...what is *most* offensive is the basic theory behind what Maharishi is proposing, which is that the relative world has the ability to prevent inner peace and enlight- enment, and that the only real way to realize these goals is to reshape the relative world. It's as far from the eternal message of enlightenment as it is possible to get. i think in the early years maharishi wanted to first establish what, for us, was new knowledge re the eternal message of enlightenment and Absolute Being. For the sake of us inexperienced westerners, he made the story black-and-white to make it easier to take in. But now he is thinking that since we have been meditating all these years, getting quite established in That. so to speed things along he can introduce more complex additional vedic approaches *in the relative* that support and hasten the growth of Absolute, so, iow i think you are getting yourself offended by a polarity that is not really there in truth, but was good for introductory lessons. But the rightness of those introductory lessons -- those simple truths and fundamental principles -- shouldn't have to be negated by these latest more complex additions to the teaching...they should complement the introductory lessons, not conflict with them. When one comes out with statements like: you need proper vastu or the world is going to fall apart then, yes, this does conflict with the original message. Do you understand the meaning of the word guarantee? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] The Caine Mutiny (was Re: press report)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: shempmcgurk wrote: Gillam wrote: Have you read the Aubrey-Maturin novels of Patrick O'Brien? Nois he the one that wrote the book Master and Commander made into the Russell Crowe movie? The very same. I shoulda referred to the movie, but didn't think of it in favor of being an elitist book snob. - Patrick P.S. The movie was very true to the books. Wonderfully, exceptionally so. Russell Crowe called it a $327 million art film. In the world of elitist historical novel book snobs, O'Brien is very respected as an author. I haven't read any yet, because I can't tear myself away from Dorothy Dunnett, pretty much the ultimate goddess of elitist historical novel book snobs. :-) The film was quite well done. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Anyone against abortion in order to choose gender?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/18/05 8:46:15 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I agree, and moreover in order to know when the 'soul enters' you have to know what a soul is and if 'it' enters? JohnY Exactly. And know if it exists in the first place... Well, if it doesn't exist in live human beings, are you saying murdering people is okay? Perhaps I should have said awareness. If there is no soul YET, can there be awareness? And if there can be awareness, when does awareness start? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Repost: Svaamii Vivekaananda's Laws of Life
From an other YG: 15 Laws of Life From Swami Vivekananda What You Need to Keep in Mind 1. LOVE IS THE LAW OF LIFE: All love is expansion, all selfishness is contraction. Love is therefore the only law of life. He who loves lives, he who is selfish is dying. Therefore, love for love's sake, because it is law of life, just as you breathe to live. 2. IT'S YOUR OUTLOOK THAT MATTERS: It is our own mental attitude, which makes the world what it is for us. Our thoughts make things beautiful, our thoughts make things ugly. The whole world is in our own minds. Learn to see things in the proper light. 3. LIFE IS BEAUTIFUL: First, believe in this world - that there is meaning behind everything. Everything in the world is good, is holy and beautiful. If you see something evil, think that you do not understand it in the right light. Throw the burden on yourselves! 4. IT'S THE WAY YOU FEEL: Feel like Christ and you will be a Christ; feel like Buddha and you will be a Buddha. It is feeling that is the life, the strength, the vitality, without which no amount of intellectual activity can reach God. 5. SET YOURSELF FREE: The moment I have realised God sitting in the temple of every human body, the moment I stand in reverence before every human being and see God in him - that moment I am free from bondage, everything that binds vanishes, and I am free. 6. DON'T PLAY THE BLAME GAME: Condemn none: if you can stretch out a helping hand, do so. If you cannot, fold your hands, bless your brothers, and let them go their own way. 7. HELP OTHERS: If money helps a man to do good to others, it is of some value; but if not, it is simply a mass of evil, and the sooner it is got rid of, the better. 8. UPHOLD YOUR IDEALS: Our duty is to encourage every one in his struggle to live up to his own highest idea, and strive at the same time to make the ideal as near as possible to the Truth. 9. LISTEN TO YOUR SOUL: You have to grow from the inside out. None can teach you, none can make you spiritual. There is no other teacher but your own soul. 10. BE YOURSELF: The greatest religion is to be true to your own nature. Have faith in yourselves! 11. NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE: Never think there is anything impossible for the soul. It is the greatest heresy to think so. If there is sin, this is the only sin - to say that you are weak, or others are weak. 12. YOU HAVE THE POWER: All the powers in the universe are already ours. It is we who have put our hands before our eyes and cry that it is dark. 13. LEARN EVERYDAY: The goal of mankind is knowledge... now this knowledge is inherent in man. No knowledge comes from outside: it is all inside. What we say a man 'knows', should, in strict psychological language, be what he 'discovers' or 'unveils'; what man 'learns' is really what he discovers by taking the cover off his own soul, which is a mine of infinite knowledge. 14. BE TRUTHFUL: Everything can be sacrificed for truth, but truth cannot be sacrificed for anything. 15. THINK DIFFERENT: All differences in this world are of degree, and not of kind, because oneness is the secret of everything. http://www.swamij.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Best spiritual films of the year
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/19/05 2:00 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Haven't seen this one, but I doubt a movie about the mass- murderer Che Guevara, if good, could be possibly be true to the reality. It portrays him as an intelligent, compassionate medical student who relates easily to the common man and the disadvantaged. In reality, Che had no compunction about murdering, in cold blood, the common man and the disadvantaged. In reality, neither does George W. Bush. The difference seems to have been that Che did most of his murdering in the pursuit of unrealistic ideals while George has other people do the murdering so his friends can make money. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] The Caine Mutiny (was Re: press report)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: His big breakout role was, of course, as the cop in L.A. Confidential but prior to that, Crowe did a film with Bridgette Fonda called Rough Magic that was really wonderful. I recommend it to anyone that can find it on DVD. Agreed. Charming little movie. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic math?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reposting a request from another spiritual bulletin board, if anyone can help this fellow out. He's a programmer/math nerd, probably interested in whether he can develop interesting new algorithms. I figured if there's anywhere folks might know, it would be here. Thanks in advance. Hey has anyone got any good links/hints about Vedic Math? I happened to come across some stuff recently, at which first looked a little off the wall, but after a little investigation, keen to investigate further. Unc Define math. The original Sanskrit Grammarian is credited in computer science history with inventing modern linquistic notation. Many consider the design of computer languages to be applied mathematics. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Best spiritual films of the year
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/19/05 3:48 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In reality, Che had no compunction about murdering, in cold blood, the common man and the disadvantaged. Maybe he became that way, but during the period the movie portrays, he was young, innocent, and idealistic. Besides, it's a Road Trip movie. The quest or pilgrimage always has a spiritual component to it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'To Teach or Not to Teach..'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My advice to the independents is to keep alow profile until after MMY dies and see if King Tony changes things a tad. Do you mean that MMY is a hindrance for teaching TM to people? Well, duh. :-) Who has recently decertified all but a handful of his TM teachers and then raised the prices such that the leftover handful can't find anyone to teach? I think you'd have to be an absolute idiot to not view Maharishi as the biggest obstacle to people learning TM. But to think that King Tony is going to change anything is naive. The direction of the movement is set. TM is passé. Never thought of it that way, but that is the practical effect. Control is more important than than the benefits of the technique? Or is it really all about the movement the dollars? The dollars do seem to be the motivating factor. Every new scheme requires more of them, and emphasizes the actual teaching of TM less. The original message of spiritually regenerating the world from the bottom up by teaching people to meditate has clearly been superceded by the message of reconstructing it from the top down via Sthapatya-Veda. We never know how long the latest and greatest Grand Scheme is going to last. Prior to rebuilding the entire world via Vastu, there was Peace Palace Grand Scheme: building several thousand Peace Palaces throughout the world...at about $1 million a Peace Palace, that's about $2-3 billion. I can't remember which came first, but around the time of the Vastu Grand Scheme, there was the $600 billion Agro Grand Scheme. Between Agro and Vastu Grand Schemes there was perhaps a week or so. Between Peace Palace Grand Scheme and either Agro or Vastu Grand Scheme (I can't remember which came first) there was at least a year, no? Here's some more Grand Schemes off the top of my head: Malls of America Grand Scheme Tallest Building Grand Scheme VedaLand Grand Scheme Can anyone add to the list? Maharishi International University Grand Scheme. Maharishi Vidya Mandir Grand Scheme. Maharishi's intent to make TM available all over the world Grand Scheme. Oh, did you only want examples of things you consider to be total failures, or do you consider the above to be total failures as well? Only the last one was a success. MIU was a failure...I'm not sure what vidya Mandir was... In case you haven't noticed, MIU is now called MUM and is still going. That's hardly a failure. Maharishi Vidya Mandir is the elementary/secondary educational system that MMY has set up in India. At least a few of the schools are well-known in India. Oh, and while its possibly difficult to get new enrollees currently, Maharishi School is a sucess by any rational standard. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Abortion question on FFL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maharishi said it. I used to have the tape. He said all cows are reborn not only as humans, but as teachers. If we kill cows before they are allowed to reach their full development as cows, then sub-standard teachers is born, incapable of understanding and teaching pure knowledge, and the society is doomed to ignorance. Why *cows*, for heaven's sake? Horses, I could understand. Yeah, cows-as-teachers doesn't make much sense to me, either. They're such moo makers. The whole idea is udderly ridiculous. Got milk? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Best spiritual films of the year
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/19/05 3:48 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In reality, Che had no compunction about murdering, in cold blood, the common man and the disadvantaged. Maybe he became that way, but during the period the movie portrays, he was young, innocent, and idealistic. So was Hitler when he was selling his paintings on the streets of Vienna. And that youthful, unspoiled, still hopeful and still human part of Hitler was still present during his most despicable acts. It's *easy* to bag someone for their worst deeds, not as easy to remember that every one of us has the potential to do similar things within us. Hell, if the Tibetan view of how many incarnations weve spent on this rock (10,000+ as humans) is correct, each of us *has* probably done equally despicable things. And it's Light doing all of them, to Light. Go figure. Even Dubya must have a good side. I know...it's that there's never really been a cow slaughtered on that movie-set ranch of his. He's allowing the future spiritual teachers of the world to grow to maturity. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Sycophancy of acces vs. the Caine Mutiny
Doug writing: And eloquently. What of the culpability in the range of people who`go along'? The TB'ers who more than going along, are facilitating? Like the VC Lorde mayor and wife and others also pitching for MMY raising so many millions of disappearing dollars for MMY? Good questions all. ...There is an elixir to being in their middle with a moral certainty in it. Well seen. That's part of it. One gets a bit drunk being in the dream-aura of a heavy dreamer. One wants to perpetuate the bliss to the point of sometimes not analyzing whether the dream is still the same as the one you signed up for. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: news from Global country (Money vs. Enlightenment)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...what is *most* offensive is the basic theory behind what Maharishi is proposing, which is that the relative world has the ability to prevent inner peace and enlight- enment, and that the only real way to realize these goals is to reshape the relative world. It's as far from the eternal message of enlightenment as it is possible to get. i think in the early years maharishi wanted to first establish what, for us, was new knowledge re the eternal message of enlightenment and Absolute Being. For the sake of us inexperienced westerners, he made the story black-and-white to make it easier to take in. But now he is thinking that since we have been meditating all these years, getting quite established in That. so to speed things along he can introduce more complex additional vedic approaches *in the relative* that support and hasten the growth of Absolute, so, iow i think you are getting yourself offended by a polarity that is not really there in truth, but was good for introductory lessons. Well stated, but it's not really a polarity that Maharishi is setting up these days. There is only one pole, the relative. If he were talking about all these band-aids for the relative world as an *adjunct* to still teaching people to meditate, that would support your thesis. But he isn't. There is no TM focus on helping people to help themselves, via meditation, anywhere in the world, unless it's in the possibly mythical schools in India. He's raised the prices for TM instruction so high that virtually no one is starting TM *anywhere*. It's like he's talking about building the world's tallest building, but forgetting to build the foundation first. If he were balancing all these Grand Schemes by *also* providing a program -- paid for by the profits from the Grand Schemes -- to offer TM at a reasonable cost, I'd have very few problems with the Grand Schemes. But he's not. TM instruction -- offering an easily- learned form of basic meditation to people -- is passé. He doesn't talk about it any more, and he doesn't do anything about it any more. And I find that terribly sad. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: news from Global country (Money vs. Enlightenment)
shempmcgurk wrote: But the rightness of those introductory lessons -- those simple truths and fundamental principles -- shouldn't have to be negated by these latest more complex additions to the teaching...they should complement the introductory lessons, not conflict with them. When one comes out with statements like: you need proper vastu or the world is going to fall apart then, yes, this does conflict with the original message. ya, it has gotten a little too crazy, so that almost everybody is unable and unwilling to keep up to TB re-certified standards, ...which is too bad. so much is getting lost! M could be saying more like: here you all have made alot of progress to enlightenment, and this little extra is quite powerful to speed up the last stroke of it... However, he seems to get distracted by this urgent end-of-the-world theme, (probly cause he is going soon!) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic math?
TurquoiseB wrote: Hey has anyone got any good links/hints about Vedic Math? I happened to come across some stuff recently, at which first looked a little off the wall, but after a little investigation, keen to investigate further... two good links for starters...for more, google vedic mathematics http://www.maharishi.co.uk/acatalog/Maharishi_Ayur_Veda__Vedic_Mathematics_67.html AND http://www.vedicmaths.org -- Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'To Teach or Not to Teach..'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's some more Grand Schemes off the top of my head: Malls of America Grand Scheme Tallest Building Grand Scheme VedaLand Grand Scheme Can anyone add to the list? Maharishi International University Grand Scheme. Maharishi Vidya Mandir Grand Scheme. Maharishi's intent to make TM available all over the world Grand Scheme. Oh, did you only want examples of things you consider to be total failures, or do you consider the above to be total failures as well? Only the last one was a success. And the keyword is was. As in past tense. How many people on the planet learned TM through the TM organization last month? My bet is less than a dozen. If that. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic math?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: Hey has anyone got any good links/hints about Vedic Math? I happened to come across some stuff recently, at which first looked a little off the wall, but after a little investigation, keen to investigate further... two good links for starters...for more, google vedic mathematics http://www.maharishi.co.uk/acatalog/Maharishi_Ayur_Veda__Vedic_Mathema tics_67.html AND http://www.vedicmaths.org -- Thanks. I'll pass these along. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic math?
two good links for starters...for more, google vedic mathematics http://www.maharishi.co.uk/acatalog/Maharishi_Ayur_Veda__Vedic_Mathema tics_67.html AND http://www.vedicmaths.org -- Thanks. I'll pass these along. you're welcome...and here is two more at MUM http://www.mum.edu/library/abstracts/muehlman.html http://www.mum.edu/math_dept/mvm.shtml Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic math?
Dear All, Yes. www.fastmaths.com. G Kumar Astro Scholar, Philosopher Programmer www.eastrovedica.com - Original Message - From: sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 12:18 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic math? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reposting a request from another spiritual bulletin board, if anyone can help this fellow out. He's a programmer/math nerd, probably interested in whether he can develop interesting new algorithms. I figured if there's anywhere folks might know, it would be here. Thanks in advance. Hey has anyone got any good links/hints about Vedic Math? I happened to come across some stuff recently, at which first looked a little off the wall, but after a little investigation, keen to investigate further. Unc Define math. The original Sanskrit Grammarian is credited in computer science history with inventing modern linquistic notation. Many consider the design of computer languages to be applied mathematics. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic math?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, eastrovedica [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear All, Yes. www.fastmaths.com. G Kumar Astro Scholar, Philosopher Programmer www.eastrovedica.com Thanks. Consider it duly passed along. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reposting a request from another spiritual bulletin board, if anyone can help this fellow out. He's a programmer/math nerd, probably interested in whether he can develop interesting new algorithms. I figured if there's anywhere folks might know, it would be here. Thanks in advance. Hey has anyone got any good links/hints about Vedic Math? I happened to come across some stuff recently, at which first looked a little off the wall, but after a little investigation, keen to investigate further. Unc Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] DOES ANY ONE KNOW THE PRESENT LOCATION OF, Gov. PETER OCSODY
Peter Oscody, my friend a Gov. formerly of Fairfield IA. He in 2000 or so moved to Florida with his family. I knew he also had a sister in FF. who I believe has since moved as well. He was formerly the mgr. of Quasetor Co in FF. now later its sister company or successor Co.in Florida as well. A Hungarian firm. he is Hungarian as well, a good friend I would like to contact him now either by email or telephone or snail mail. Thanks for any assistance in his location. I can be emailed directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Abortion question on FFL
On Aug 20, 2005, at 2:02 AM, sparaig wrote: But is that when the soul enters the body? Do Tibetan and Ayurvedic medical traditions discuss abortion? Soul is a nebulous word thrown around in western circles because we really don't know a lot about consciousness as a culture. It's a very imprecise word. The consciousness-principle acts as a morphogenetic field guiding the unfoldment of the human after the initial sperm-egg fusion. The consciousness-principle is there from the beginning, but does not enter it's new home until the fetal heart begins beating. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] DOES ANY ONE KNOW THE PRESENT LOCATION OF, Gov. PETER OCSODY
Hey, man, find him. He still owes me 20 bucks! --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter Oscody, my friend a Gov. formerly of Fairfield IA. He in 2000 or so moved to Florida with his family. I knew he also had a sister in FF. who I believe has since moved as well. He was formerly the mgr. of Quasetor Co in FF. now later its sister company or successor Co. in Florida as well. A Hungarian firm. he is Hungarian as well, a good friend I would like to contact him now either by email or telephone or snail mail. Thanks for any assistance in his location. I can be emailed directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: news from Global country (Money vs. Enlightenment)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: shempmcgurk wrote: But the rightness of those introductory lessons -- those simple truths and fundamental principles -- shouldn't have to be negated by these latest more complex additions to the teaching...they should complement the introductory lessons, not conflict with them. When one comes out with statements like: you need proper vastu or the world is going to fall apart then, yes, this does conflict with the original message. ya, it has gotten a little too crazy, so that almost everybody is unable and unwilling to keep up to TB re-certified standards, ...which is too bad. so much is getting lost! M could be saying more like: here you all have made alot of progress to enlightenment, and this little extra is quite powerful to speed up the last stroke of it... However, he seems to get distracted by this urgent end-of-the-world theme, (probly cause he is going soon!) What is important for me, for MY growth and development, is to not feel sidetracked by these other teachings. My path is the TM program and I should not feel sidetracked if I am not participating in the latest, greatest Grand Scheme, as Tantra puts it, or taking the latest course or technique. I live my life. If my house happens to have a west or south facing entrance, I don't want to have to feel that I have to uproot my entire life so that I have to move or make some great expense to live my life according to Vastu because MMY just pronounced that the whole world is doomed unless we rebuild everything. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Quotes from repubs when Clinton went to war
In a message dated 8/19/05 11:20:54 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So, if the press didn't cover the destruction of ethnic Serbian property, how did YOU find out about it? Buried in the back of a news paper or glossed overand casually mentioned in a new report. Hardly the font pagecoverage you would see of the daily lie that thousand of Albanian nationals were being butchered inKosovo by ethnic Serbs. Hardly fair and balanced. I guess the media was afraid to admit they had made a mistake in rallying American support for poor Albanians at the expense of the Ethnic Serbs. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] How the liberal media cheerled the Iraq war
From Editor and Publisher: CNN Makes News with WMD Special, But Press Deserves Blame, Too By Greg Mitchell Published: August 19, 2005 11:05 PM ET NEW YORK A documentary to be aired on CNN this Sunday night on the intelligence meltdown on Iraq before the U.S. invasion is already making news. On Friday, CNN said that in the program, Dead Wrong, a former top aide to Colin Powell calls his involvement in the former secretary of state's presentation to the United Nations on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction the lowest point in his life While the long-awaited program is sure to revive interest, and anger, over the administration's false selling of the war on the basis of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction, it may well leave the press off the hook. Yet it was the media's swallowing of the false claims in Powell's crucial speech that enabled the march to war to continue It's a depressing case study of journalistic shirking of responsibility. The press essentially acted like a jury that is ready, willing and (in this case) able to deliver a verdict after the prosecution has spoken and before anyone else is heard or the evidence studied. As media writer Mark Jurkowitz put it at the time in the Boston Globe, Powell's speech may not have convinced France of the need to topple Saddam but it seemed to work wonders on opinion makers and editorial shakers in the media universe. The San Francisco Chronicle called the speech impressive in its breadth and eloquence. The Denver Post likened Powell to Marshal Dillon facing down a gunslinger in Dodge City, adding that he had presented not just one 'smoking gun' but a battery of them. The Tampa (Fla.) Tribune called Powell's case overwhelming, while The Oregonian in Portland found it devastating. To The Hartford (Ct.) Courant it was masterful. The Plain Dealer in Cleveland deemed it credible and persuasive. One can only laugh, darkly, at the San Jose (Ca.) Mercury News asserting that Powell made his case without resorting to exaggeration, a rhetorical tool he didn't need. The San Antonio Express-News called the speech irrefutable, adding, only those ready to believe Iraq and assume that the United States would manufacture false evidence against Saddam would not be persuaded by Powell's case. And what of the two giants of the East? The Washington Post echoed others who found Powell's evidence irrefutable. That paper's liberal columnist, Mary McGrory, wrote that Powell persuaded me, and I was as tough as France to convince. She even likened the Powell report to the day John Dean unloaded on Nixon in the Watergate hearings. George Will said Powell's speech would change all minds open to evidence. Another Post liberal, Richard Cohen, opined: The evidence he presented to the United Nations -- some of it circumstantial, some of it absolutely bone-chilling in its detail -- had to prove to anyone that Iraq not only hasn't accounted for its weapons of mass destruction but without a doubt still retains them. Only a fool, or possibly a Frenchman, could conclude otherwise. Here's the Post's Jim Hoagland: To continue to say that the Bush administration has not made its case, you must now believe that Colin Powell lied in the most serious statement he will ever make, or was taken in by manufactured evidence. I don't believe that. Today, neither should you. The New York Times, meanwhile, hailed Powell's powerful and sober, factual case. Like many other papers, the Times' coverage on its news pages in separate stories by Steven Weisman, Michael Gordon and Adam Clymer also bent over backward to give Powell the benefit of nearly every doubt. Apparently in thrall to Powell's moderate reputation, no one even mentioned that he was essentially acting as lead prosecutor with every reason to shape, or even create, facts to fit his brief. Weisman called Powell's evidence a nearly encyclopedic catalog that reached further than many had expected. He and Clymer both recalled Adlai Stevenson's speech to the U.N. in 1962 exposing Soviet missiles in Cuba. Gordon closed his piece by asserting that it will be difficult for skeptics to argue that Washington's case against Iraq is based on groundless suspicions and not intelligence information. Try reading that with a straight face today. One recalls two quotes garnered by Howard Kurtz last year when he took a look back at the Washington Post's pre-war coverage. There was an attitude among editors: Look, we're going to war, why do we even worry about all the contrary stuff? -- Pentagon correspondent Thomas Ricks. We are inevitably the mouthpiece for whatever administration is in power. -- Reporter Karen Young. Why does any of this matter? It's fashionable to suggest that the White House was bent on war and nothing could have stopped them. But until the Powell speech, public opinion, editorial sentiment (as chronicled by EP at the time) and street protests were
[FairfieldLife] Indian press: Bush gets some unorthodox advice
Deccan Herald » News Update » Detailed Story From L K Sharma DH News Service, WASHINGTON: http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/aug202005/update76492005820.asp Bush gets some unorthodox advice The anti-war activists, Islamic believers, communists, and liberals should know that if the world is in a mess it is not the fault of Bush and Blair. It is because their offices face an inauspicious direction. A US-based quantum physicist has discovered the secret of world peace. All will be well if the south-facing entrances to the White House and 10 Downing Street are closed. He claims no credit for this discovery but attributes it to India’s unpatented traditional knowledge -- Vedic architecture. Dr John Hagelin, President of what he calls the US Peace Government, has told both Mr George Bush and Mr Tony Blair that they should close the south-facing entrances. This will be a stop-gap arrangement and later they must move to properly designed buildings. Improper design of government buildings promotes disorderly thinking and infighting, he says. Sceptics may say that the US has done quite well over the decades despite the White House entrance facing an inauspicious direction. But Dr Hagelin has perhaps the world’s welfare in mind. In fact, he wants all the leaders of wold to check their buildings. They should flee such buildings as if these have been hit by an earthquake, he says. Dr Hagelin says the south-facing entrances are having deleterious effects on their brain functioning and orderliness of thinking. If they shut these entrances, they will make wiser, more intelligent decisions for their people and the world. Dr Hagelin wants the Indian government to abandon the Parliament buildings in New Delhi because of their skewed entrances. Perhaps Dr Hagelin knows that the Indian Prime Ministers have been working in an office that does not face south, though it is called South Block. Dr Hagelin says “divisive and destructive government policies will become more coherent and harmonious overnight if government leaders live and work in buildings that are properly designed according to the principles of ancient Vedic architect are in harmony with natural law.” Bush and Blair may ignore this advice at their own peril at a time when they are not sailing smoothly. Dr Hagelin has urged government leaders to replace the old buildings with properly oriented, “fortune-creating” offices and residences that face the rising sun in the east. Such buildings will promote harmony and success for the government, and peace and prosperity for the nation. Dr Hagelin claims recent medical research shows a marked improvement in the efficiency of neuronal functioning when the head is oriented towards the east compared to the south. The positive effects of a proper eastern orientation on the brain and behaviour are being documented by science. He says Vedic architecture has been revived by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. About one billion dollars have been invested in the design and construction of Vedic homes and office buildings worldwide in the past decade. Maharishi Mahesh Yogi recently launched his Global Reconstruction Programme for Permanent World Peace, and is inviting builders in every country to immediately begin constructing in every city, Peace Colonies of homes and office buildings, as well as Peace Palaces to teach Transcendental Meditation. The advice to Mr Bush and Mr Blair is based on some research and not on mumbo-jumbo. Vedic architecture has already made a beginning and some users of the buildings have claimed a remarkable improvement in their well-being. The architects and builders, all followers of Maharshi Mahesh Yogi, present their work at professional organisations and are heard with great interest. They have been joined by some neuroscientists. According to architect Jonathan Lipman, Vedic architecture promotes well-being, health and success and makes the inhabitants feel more energetic and positive. Mr Lipman, chief architect of Maharshi Global Construction, told a gathering at the National Building museum recently that homes built on the principles of Vedic architecture become conduits of cosmic energy. Those who dwell in such houses are happy, healthy and at peace, he said while showing slides. A builder, Jeffrey Abramson, said his life changed when he moved to his new house designed as per the Vedic specifications. He and his wife practice Transcendental Meditation daily. “I felt my handcuffs had been taken off”. Mr Abramson is putting his money where his mouth is and building a 72-million dollar building project in Maryland, based on the Vedic principles. While this traditional wisdom has come from india, some in India tend to pooh-pooh things like Vedic mathematics. However, in America as the believers challenge the theory of evolution, there is a measure of acceptance of even Christian physics. --
[FairfieldLife] Chickenhawks
Last night I saw part of Bill Maher's Real Time on HBO (I can only take it in small dribs and drabs). They had a discussion about chickenhawks...I understand the term to mean people in government who wage war without having risked their own lives during wartime. Part of the conversation centered on John Kerry having served in Vietnam and therefore NOT being a chickenhawk and George Bush who did not and therefore, it was suggested, WAS a chickenhawk. But if the definition of chickenhawk rests upon the risk to one's life, let's examine some statistics regarding professions and the chance of entering that profession and being killed: [the following is from World Almanac Book of Facts ,1998, p. 181] Number serving during Vietnam War: 8,752,000 Number of battle deaths: 47,393 Number of battle deaths as a percentage of number serving: 0.5% [the following are well-known statistics] Number serving as presidents in U.S. history: 43 Number of death due to assassinations: 4 Number of assassinations as a percentage of number serving: 9.3% Thus, becoming president of the U.S., you have a 2,300% higher chance of being killed than serving in the military during the Vietnam War. Is it fair, then, to label George Bush a Chickenhawk? Plus, George Bush DID serve during the Vietnam War. Whether he was at risk as much as others I cannot assess as I don't know whether there was a possibility his unit would have been called up; but, unlike Clinton, he did serve. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] poly and variations on mono
In the current issue of Tricycle, there is an interview with Shinzen Young in which the interviewer asks about Young's very pluralistic background. It seemed to me that his reply was very significant with respect to the pro/anti polarity in TM: I think that some people are naturally poly-spiritual and some people are mono-spiritual. Mono-spiritual people develop overt or subtle conflicts if they go with different teachers of approaches, whereas poly-spiritual people get an immediate sense of the complementary. I've always been poly-spiritual. There's never been anything I did with anybody that didn't seem immediately to complement what I had done with everybody else. p 51 From my own perspective, one of the things that compelled my departure from the mono-TM mindset was Maharishi himself (and, by extension, his increasingly belligerent, materialistic and doctrinaire Organization). I sensed, for many reason, conflicts between what I had learned from other teachers and what he was saying. I had no problem as far as the TM technique was concerned, that fit right in with many other things. But it was Maharishi and the Organization, the this-only approach that put me off. I had started TM and become a teacher before he set out on his material conquest. So his this-only approach seemed to develop along with his what can I sell next objective and this just wouldn't work for me. However, in another sense, I have known many ardent pure-TM practitioners who can only function in and according to whatever the present this-only is with no sense of conflict with their own past. As long as it's coming from their personal source, their concept of personal-guru, it is OK and anything else whether other than TM or in comparison with TM's past, is decidedly not OK. I think I might, therefore add to Shinzen Young's categories another whether it is a third or a sub-set of the mono, I am not, however, quite sure: TB-spiritual, or maybe PT-spritual (present- tense-spiritual). Obviously, some people need and maybe can only function when there is one absolute set of rules. And, they simply cannot interact with others who recognize a polymorphous dominion of values to select from. I worked, once, with a Born Again Christian lady who was very kind, considerate and so on. Quite innocently one day, I said, oh, I just got a copy of my astrological chart, would you like to see it? It was really nicely done and, actually, that was just about it: show-and-tell. To my surprise, she turned away, saying I avoid the appearance of all evil. Wow But I see this a lot with fundamentalists of all sorts. The TB or PT mindset, whether it cannot consider something outside itself, generally, or whether it cannot consider dissimilarities in its own makeup, persists in a kind of self-preservation, a clinging to its Rock of Security and making every effort to abolish anything that messes with this PT-spirituality or fundamentalism. The PT'er is far less reasonable and flexible than the mono-believer or mono-spiritual practitioner. One of Maharishi's pronouncements sticks in mind: anything I haven't taught you isn't worth knowing. Several years later, he began to go commercial and change TM from a spiritual endeavour goal-oriented in and of itself, to a means to acquire his sidhi program. Well, after learning it, I thought his earlier pronouncement had been right on the mark, it wasn't worth knowing. Very slowly, very gradually he tampered with his own `holy' tradition. It was his, of course, and he could `adjust' it as he saw fit in order to justify his own needs, but this sort of behaviour, when it continually locked people into his ever-changing PT mindset was one of the red-flags that didn't diminish the worth of his method of meditation, but was a bit like that hilarious telegram P. G. Wodehouse famously speculated would be such fun to send friends travelling abroad: all has been discovered, flee at once. G Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Interesting example of occasional kinkkiness of Yoga-suutras, part 1
YS I 15 dRSTaanushravika-viSaya-vitRSNasya vashii-kaara- saMjñaa vairaagyam. Taimni's translation (not necessarily one of the best ones, but it'll do for now): The consciousness of perfect mastery (of desires) in the case of one who has ceased to crave for objects, seen or unseen, is /vairaagya/. YS I 16 tat paraM puruSa-khyaater guNa-vaitRSNyam. That is the highest /vairaagya/ in which , on account of the awareness of the /puruSa/, there is cessation of the least desire for the /guNas/. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] TM luncheon/lecture in New York City Sept 30
topic: IS THE WORKPLACE BAD FOR YOUR BRAIN? Research on Stress, Creativity, Meditation, and the Brain Recent brain research documents how job stress can take a terrible toll on the brain of both executives and employees. New research also reveals what can be done to reverse this damage and develop the brain's potential for improved creativity, health, productivity, and success. LUNCHEON MEETING Executive Committee of the New York Professionals for a Stress-Free Workplace Friday, September 30, 2005 12 Noon to 3:00 PM Peninsula New York (hotel) 700 Fifth Ave. at 55th St. New York cost: $75 Seating limited; reservations required! PANELISTS Gary Kaplan, M.D., Ph.D. Neurologist and Clinical Associate Professor of Neurology at New York University School of Medicine Member of the executive committee of New York Professionals for a Stress-Free Workplace Fred Travis, Ph.D. Director of the Center for Brain, Consciousness, and Cognition at Maharishi University of Management Dr. Travis is the nation's most widely published researcher in the field of meditation and the brain Andrew Newberg, M.D. Director of Clinical Nuclear Medicine, Director of NeuroPET Research, and Assistant Professor in the Department of Radiology at the Hospital of the University of Pennsylvania The results and implications of Dr. Newberg's pioneering research on meditation and the brain are delineated in his book, Why God Won't Go Away. Jeffrey Abramson Partner, The Tower Companies Tower is one of the largest commercial developers in Washington, D.C., where 75% of executives and employees practice the Transcendental Meditation technique as a company-sponsored health program. Arthur Bud Liebler Former Senior Vice President of Marketing and Communications at DaimlerChrysler; Principal at Liebler!MacDonald Communication Strategists Member of the national executive committee of Professionals for a Stress-Free Workplace. David Lynch Three-time Academy Award nominated film director of Blue Velvet, Twin Peaks, Mulholland Drive, Inland Empire (now filming) Chairman of the David Lynch Foundation for Consciousness-Based Education and World Peace. ** from TM Program NYC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Meditators, Sidhas and Governors, We are hosting a national event here in New York City on Friday September 30th. As you will see below, we have an impressive cast of speakers (including David Lynch) and expect to fill all the seats at a grand business luncheon. However, the seats are meant to be for your not-yet-meditating acquaintances --- professionals and business people, especially those who are at the head of companies, personnel directors, or who have enough authority in their company to put a program in place. The luncheon is for those who are interested in reducing stress and the damage done to our brains (and hearts) at our jobs. If you want to invite anyone that fits that description, you are welcome to come with them to the luncheon. If we do not fill the seats, another email will be sent out inviting everyone to fill the extra seats and come and enjoy! Please let us know if you want to attend and who you will bring. Feel free to cut and paste the speaker list below to send to anyone you would like to encourage to attend. Please call us at 212-779-9933 to make reservations. (please don't pass on the number- please call us yourselves.) We hope to enjoy this great event with you and hope it will stimulate the use of the TM program in the business community. Best regards, Janet Hoffman Director -- Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] UFO's MMY
Title: UFO's MMY I just posted this elsewhere. Might as well have it do double duty. There were UFO rumors from Tahoe and Mallorca, but heres a more direct one. A friend of mine named Sandy Tipton, now on Purusha, was doing asanas early one morning on his TTC in Zinal, Switzerland. He looked out the window and saw a typical, disk-shaped UFO hovering near the nearby cliff. He sat and watched it for nearly a half hour. It moved around a bit during that time. As daylight began to become brighter it flew off. A number of people saw it and were talking about it at breakfast. That morning when Maharishi came to the meeting hall he asked, How many woke up early this morning? A bunch of people raised their hands. Then he asked, How many looked out the window? Most of the first group raised their hands. Then he changed the subject. Another tidbit: when they were brainstorming on the term which finally became Governors of the Age of Enlightenment, someone suggested the term ambassadors. Maharishi said, well use that term when we start visiting other planets. Maharishi also referred to extraterrestrials as truck drivers of the universe. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: UFO's MMY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just posted this elsewhere. Might as well have it do double duty. There were UFO rumors from Tahoe and Mallorca, but here¹s a more direct one. A friend of mine named Sandy Tipton, Is Sandy Tipton the fellow who once lived in Hong Kong? now on Purusha, was doing asanas early one morning on his TTC in Zinal, Switzerland. He looked out the window and saw a typical, disk-shaped UFO hovering near the nearby cliff. He sat and watched it for nearly a half hour. It moved around a bit during that time. As daylight began to become brighter it flew off. A number of people saw it and were talking about it at breakfast. That morning when Maharishi came to the meeting hall he asked, ³How many woke up early this morning?² A bunch of people raised their hands. Then he asked, ³How many looked out the window?² Most of the first group raised their hands. Then he changed the subject. Another tidbit: when they were brainstorming on the term which finally became ³Governors² of the Age of Enlightenment, someone suggested the term ³ambassadors.² Maharishi said, ³we¹ll use that term when we start visiting other planets.² Maharishi also referred to extraterrestrials as ³truck drivers of the universe.² Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: UFO's MMY
on 8/20/05 4:09 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is Sandy Tipton the fellow who once lived in Hong Kong? I think he did. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Chickenhawks
You're right, calling Bush a chickenhawk is unfair. Let's call him a pussy instead. --- shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Last night I saw part of Bill Maher's Real Time on HBO (I can only take it in small dribs and drabs). They had a discussion about chickenhawks...I understand the term to mean people in government who wage war without having risked their own lives during wartime. Part of the conversation centered on John Kerry having served in Vietnam and therefore NOT being a chickenhawk and George Bush who did not and therefore, it was suggested, WAS a chickenhawk. But if the definition of chickenhawk rests upon the risk to one's life, let's examine some statistics regarding professions and the chance of entering that profession and being killed: [the following is from World Almanac Book of Facts ,1998, p. 181] Number serving during Vietnam War: 8,752,000 Number of battle deaths: 47,393 Number of battle deaths as a percentage of number serving: 0.5% [the following are well-known statistics] Number serving as presidents in U.S. history: 43 Number of death due to assassinations: 4 Number of assassinations as a percentage of number serving: 9.3% Thus, becoming president of the U.S., you have a 2,300% higher chance of being killed than serving in the military during the Vietnam War. Is it fair, then, to label George Bush a Chickenhawk? Plus, George Bush DID serve during the Vietnam War. Whether he was at risk as much as others I cannot assess as I don't know whether there was a possibility his unit would have been called up; but, unlike Clinton, he did serve. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: UFO's MMY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just posted this elsewhere. Might as well have it do double duty. There were UFO rumors from Tahoe and Mallorca, but here¹s a more direct one. A friend of mine named Sandy Tipton, now on Purusha, was doing asanas early one morning on his TTC in Zinal, Switzerland. He looked out the window and saw a typical, disk-shaped UFO hovering near the nearby cliff. He sat and watched it for nearly a half hour. It moved around a bit during that time. As daylight began to become brighter it flew off. A number of people saw it and were talking about it at breakfast. That morning when Maharishi came to the meeting hall he asked, ³How many woke up early this morning?² A bunch of people raised their hands. Then he asked, ³How many looked out the window?² Most of the first group raised their hands. Then he changed the subject. The version of this story I heard had an embellishment: As the meditator was watching, MMY emerged from the hotel, alone, and walked over to stand directly in front of the UFO. He stood there quietly for some minutes, then just at sunrise the UFO took off and vanished, and MMY turned around and walked back to the hotel. Another tidbit: when they were brainstorming on the term which finally became ³Governors² of the Age of Enlightenment, someone suggested the term ³ambassadors.² Maharishi said, ³we¹ll use that term when we start visiting other planets.² Maharishi also referred to extraterrestrials as ³truck drivers of the universe.² Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: UFO's MMY
On Aug 20, 2005, at 6:15 PM, authfriend wrote: The version of this story I heard had an embellishment: As the meditator was watching, MMY emerged from the hotel, alone, and walked over to stand directly in front of the UFO. He stood there quietly for some minutes, then just at sunrise the UFO took off and vanished, and MMY turned around and walked back to the hotel. The version I heard said that slimy green demonic aliens emerged and planted a small octopus-like being in Maharishi's brain. Maharishi handed the aliens a briefcase filled with unmarked bills and walked back into the hotel. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: UFO's MMY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 20, 2005, at 6:15 PM, authfriend wrote: The version of this story I heard had an embellishment: As the meditator was watching, MMY emerged from the hotel, alone, and walked over to stand directly in front of the UFO. He stood there quietly for some minutes, then just at sunrise the UFO took off and vanished, and MMY turned around and walked back to the hotel. The version I heard said that slimy green demonic aliens emerged and planted a small octopus-like being in Maharishi's brain. Maharishi handed the aliens a briefcase filled with unmarked bills and walked back into the hotel. Now you've gone and done it. I was told never to reveal that part, or the aliens would come back and destroy the world. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: UFO's MMY
on 8/20/05 5:15 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The version of this story I heard had an embellishment: As the meditator was watching, MMY emerged from the hotel, alone, and walked over to stand directly in front of the UFO. He stood there quietly for some minutes, then just at sunrise the UFO took off and vanished, and MMY turned around and walked back to the hotel. That was a different story. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: UFO's MMY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/20/05 4:09 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is Sandy Tipton the fellow who once lived in Hong Kong? I think he did. He was on my and Tantra's 6 month course in 1977 (Summer) in St. Moritz...Tantra, if you're reading this, do you remember him? He gave us a slide show on his time in Hong Kong when he taught TM there... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: UFO's MMY
--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/20/05 5:15 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The version of this story I heard had an embellishment: As the meditator was watching, MMY emerged from the hotel, alone, and walked over to stand directly in front of the UFO. He stood there quietly for some minutes, then just at sunrise the UFO took off and vanished, and MMY turned around and walked back to the hotel. That was a different story. You mean it was a horse of a different color. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: UFO's MMY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/20/05 5:15 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The version of this story I heard had an embellishment: As the meditator was watching, MMY emerged from the hotel, alone, and walked over to stand directly in front of the UFO. He stood there quietly for some minutes, then just at sunrise the UFO took off and vanished, and MMY turned around and walked back to the hotel. That was a different story. There were two UFO incidents in Switzerland? They must have been conflated in the version I heard, then, because it included the part about MMY asking who had awakened early and looked out the window. Unless he's supposed to have done that both times... I was told he had said UFOs were the vacuum cleaners of the universe, though, rather than the truck drivers. Telephone, anyone? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: UFO's MMY
on 8/20/05 6:34 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There were two UFO incidents in Switzerland? They must have been conflated in the version I heard, then, because it included the part about MMY asking who had awakened early and looked out the window. Unless he's supposed to have done that both times... I was told he had said UFOs were the vacuum cleaners of the universe, though, rather than the truck drivers. Dunno. Anyway, Sandy told me this directly, and said he saw it with his own eyes. There was another story about John Black driving Maharishi down to the seashore in Mallorca to watch a UFO come down and zap the water with some sort of ray or something. I asked John about this and he said it never happened. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: UFO's MMY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/20/05 6:34 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There were two UFO incidents in Switzerland? They must have been conflated in the version I heard, then, because it included the part about MMY asking who had awakened early and looked out the window. Unless he's supposed to have done that both times... I was told he had said UFOs were the vacuum cleaners of the universe, though, rather than the truck drivers. Dunno. Anyway, Sandy told me this directly, and said he saw it with his own eyes. There was another story about John Black driving Maharishi down to the seashore in Mallorca to watch a UFO come down and zap the water with some sort of ray or something. I asked John about this and he said it never happened. Well, *of course* that's what he'd say! ;-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: poly and variations on mono
I second the motion: Great Post Many obvious insights; Sometimes the most obvious things escape our attention. Thanks. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow. Great post. I have to find that issue of Tricycle. It's given me a spiritual niche into which I can finally fit comfortably -- poly-spiritual. Cool. The P.G. Wodehouse quote is to die for, and perfect. That was it for me, the all-pervading vibe of total certainty, the lack of mystery. For every question there was the already-prepared answer. I decided to bail in search of more questions and fewer answers. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the current issue of Tricycle, there is an interview with Shinzen Young in which the interviewer asks about Young's very pluralistic background. It seemed to me that his reply was very significant with respect to the pro/anti polarity in TM: I think that some people are naturally poly-spiritual and some people are mono-spiritual. Mono-spiritual people develop overt or subtle conflicts if they go with different teachers of approaches, whereas poly-spiritual people get an immediate sense of the complementary. I've always been poly-spiritual. There's never been anything I did with anybody that didn't seem immediately to complement what I had done with everybody else. p 51 From my own perspective, one of the things that compelled my departure from the mono-TM mindset was Maharishi himself (and, by extension, his increasingly belligerent, materialistic and doctrinaire Organization). I sensed, for many reason, conflicts between what I had learned from other teachers and what he was saying. I had no problem as far as the TM technique was concerned, that fit right in with many other things. But it was Maharishi and the Organization, the this-only approach that put me off. I had started TM and become a teacher before he set out on his material conquest. So his this-only approach seemed to develop along with his what can I sell next objective and this just wouldn't work for me. However, in another sense, I have known many ardent pure-TM practitioners who can only function in and according to whatever the present this-only is with no sense of conflict with their own past. As long as it's coming from their personal source, their concept of personal-guru, it is OK and anything else whether other than TM or in comparison with TM's past, is decidedly not OK. I think I might, therefore add to Shinzen Young's categories another whether it is a third or a sub-set of the mono, I am not, however, quite sure: TB-spiritual, or maybe PT-spritual (present- tense-spiritual). Obviously, some people need and maybe can only function when there is one absolute set of rules. And, they simply cannot interact with others who recognize a polymorphous dominion of values to select from. I worked, once, with a Born Again Christian lady who was very kind, considerate and so on. Quite innocently one day, I said, oh, I just got a copy of my astrological chart, would you like to see it? It was really nicely done and, actually, that was just about it: show-and-tell. To my surprise, she turned away, saying I avoid the appearance of all evil. Wow But I see this a lot with fundamentalists of all sorts. The TB or PT mindset, whether it cannot consider something outside itself, generally, or whether it cannot consider dissimilarities in its own makeup, persists in a kind of self-preservation, a clinging to its Rock of Security and making every effort to abolish anything that messes with this PT-spirituality or fundamentalism. The PT'er is far less reasonable and flexible than the mono-believer or mono-spiritual practitioner. One of Maharishi's pronouncements sticks in mind: anything I haven't taught you isn't worth knowing. Several years later, he began to go commercial and change TM from a spiritual endeavour goal-oriented in and of itself, to a means to acquire his sidhi program. Well, after learning it, I thought his earlier pronouncement had been right on the mark, it wasn't worth knowing. Very slowly, very gradually he tampered with his own `holy' tradition. It was his, of course, and he could `adjust' it as he saw fit in order to justify his own needs, but this sort of behaviour, when it continually locked people into his ever- changing PT mindset was one of the red-flags that didn't diminish the worth of his method of meditation, but was a bit like that hilarious telegram P. G. Wodehouse famously speculated would be such fun to send friends travelling abroad: all has been discovered, flee at once. G Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite
Re: [FairfieldLife] Chickenhawks
Number serving during Vietnam War: 8,752,000 Number of battle deaths: 47,393 Number of battle deaths as a percentage of number serving: 0.5% Ah, but how many of those serving were actually in combat? A sidha and former Green Beret who served in Vietnam once told me only 5 percent of the troops in Vietnam actually saw combat. If 5 percent, that would put the number of battle deaths as a percentage of the number SEEING COMBAT at 10.8 percent. As we all know, Kerry saw combat. Number serving as presidents in U.S. history: 43 Number of death due to assassinations: 4 Number of assassinations as a percentage of number serving: 9.3% The Secret Service does a much better job of protecting the Commander-in-Chief these days. JFK insisted on riding around in a convertible with the top down, in Texas, no less. The Secret Service did not want Kennedy riding around Dallas with the top down. In fact, Kennedy was advised to avoid Dallas altogether. The Kennedys' penchant for risk-taking is legendary in the US. --- Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're right, calling Bush a chickenhawk is unfair. Let's call him a pussy instead. --- shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Last night I saw part of Bill Maher's Real Time on HBO (I can only take it in small dribs and drabs). They had a discussion about chickenhawks...I understand the term to mean people in government who wage war without having risked their own lives during wartime. Part of the conversation centered on John Kerry having served in Vietnam and therefore NOT being a chickenhawk and George Bush who did not and therefore, it was suggested, WAS a chickenhawk. But if the definition of chickenhawk rests upon the risk to one's life, let's examine some statistics regarding professions and the chance of entering that profession and being killed: [the following is from World Almanac Book of Facts ,1998, p. 181] Number serving during Vietnam War: 8,752,000 Number of battle deaths: 47,393 Number of battle deaths as a percentage of number serving: 0.5% [the following are well-known statistics] Number serving as presidents in U.S. history: 43 Number of death due to assassinations: 4 Number of assassinations as a percentage of number serving: 9.3% Thus, becoming president of the U.S., you have a 2,300% higher chance of being killed than serving in the military during the Vietnam War. Is it fair, then, to label George Bush a Chickenhawk? Plus, George Bush DID serve during the Vietnam War. Whether he was at risk as much as others I cannot assess as I don't know whether there was a possibility his unit would have been called up; but, unlike Clinton, he did serve. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] 'Living in the Ethereal'
I had an experience once, which was quite extraordinary to me, at the time. It was a dream, actually. In the dream, I felt like I was rising, up a spiritual ladder, so to speak. As I got higher into this spiritual realm, I noticed all of the forms there, all of the buildings, were absolutely perfect, in design. Perfect circles, and just hard to describe the feeling of 'perfection' of all of the form there. It was like everything in this 'higher' realm was free of any imperfection. Perhaps that is what someone like Michaelangelo was expressing; and the obsession with the church's to build magnificent buildings. Perhaps Maharishi has access to this place; Where he can see all of these perfect forms; And somehow thinks just by his thought; He can somehow manifest this on earth. I remember that I was so taken by this dream; That I still remember it years later; As if it is a 'real' place, somewhere, Perhaps the more chaotic, Maharishi feels the 'masses' are becoming, The more he speaks in extremes; in order to create something completely to the opposite polarity? Didn't Plato, talk about this concept; Of perfect forms? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] 'Back in the Day' (1975-1977)
Back in the day, when I was on staff at M.I.U. Around 1975-1977. I remember mostly the atmosphere there, Being quite exquisite. There was definitely more of a 'communal' feeling, And sweetness I remember. Maharishi, would visit periodically; For various conferences. I participated in one on Physics. Larry Domash set it up. It was quite good. Everything seemed so grounded and 'down to earth' then. Money was rolling in; It was during the 'Merv' days. I am wondering? If anyone cares to comment. How's the feeling in Faifield these days. Is there any type of communal feeling? I know there was always a certain degree of animosity, From the town, and fundamentalist folk. But in those early days, When Maharishi came there; There was even less of that town animosity, And positive remarks in the Fairfield Ledger. Sometimes, Jerry Jarvis would visit, Charlie Lutes, Robert Bly, Father Dom Thomas. Anyway, just reminiscing. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] 'UFO's Anyone?'
Here's a Canadian site; Where the UFO's are supposed to landing any day now... So, who knows? http://ca.groups.yahoo.com/group/nesaracanada/ I really don't believe in this stuff myself; Although last night I did see a plane or jet; That did appear to be moving 'too fast'; or faster than usual. Could of just been a new military thingy; As I live close to Boeing. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: news from Global country (Money vs. Enlightenment)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...what is *most* offensive is the basic theory behind what Maharishi is proposing, which is that the relative world has the ability to prevent inner peace and enlight- enment, and that the only real way to realize these goals is to reshape the relative world. It's as far from the eternal message of enlightenment as it is possible to get. i think in the early years maharishi wanted to first establish what, for us, was new knowledge re the eternal message of enlightenment and Absolute Being. For the sake of us inexperienced westerners, he made the story black-and-white to make it easier to take in. But now he is thinking that since we have been meditating all these years, getting quite established in That. so to speed things along he can introduce more complex additional vedic approaches *in the relative* that support and hasten the growth of Absolute, so, iow i think you are getting yourself offended by a polarity that is not really there in truth, but was good for introductory lessons. Well stated, but it's not really a polarity that Maharishi is setting up these days. There is only one pole, the relative. If he were talking about all these band-aids for the relative world as an *adjunct* to still teaching people to meditate, that would support your thesis. But he isn't. There is no TM focus on helping people to help themselves, via meditation, anywhere in the world, unless it's in the possibly mythical schools in India. He's raised the prices for TM instruction so high that virtually no one is starting TM *anywhere*. It's like he's talking about building the world's tallest building, but forgetting to build the foundation first. If he were balancing all these Grand Schemes by *also* providing a program -- paid for by the profits from the Grand Schemes -- to offer TM at a reasonable cost, I'd have very few problems with the Grand Schemes. But he's not. TM instruction -- offering an easily- learned form of basic meditation to people -- is passé. He doesn't talk about it any more, and he doesn't do anything about it any more. And I find that terribly sad. IMO Maharishi is demonstrating regularly and spectacularly to anyone that pays attention to him that enlightenment or awakening or Brahman or whatever you want to call it, is NOT achieved by following the Master. The Master shows you all possibilities, and if he is any good, brings you to the cliff's edge, and shoves you off, into eternal freedom. Become your own Master. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] From A Friend: 'Incredible Tornado Video By Amateur Photographers - Channel3000'
Robert has sent you a story: Incredible Tornado Video By Amateur Photographers - Channel3000 the link: http://www.channel3000.com/video/4875721/detail.html Message from Robert: Indra Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Chickenhawks
shempmcgurk wrote: Last night I saw part of Bill Maher's Real Time on HBO (I can only take it in small dribs and drabs). They had a discussion about chickenhawks...I understand the term to mean people in government who wage war without having risked their own lives during wartime. Part of the conversation centered on John Kerry having served in Vietnam and therefore NOT being a chickenhawk and George Bush who did not and therefore, it was suggested, WAS a chickenhawk. But if the definition of chickenhawk rests upon the risk to one's life, let's examine some statistics regarding professions and the chance of entering that profession and being killed: [the following is from World Almanac Book of Facts ,1998, p. 181] Number serving during Vietnam War: 8,752,000 Number of battle deaths: 47,393 Number of battle deaths as a percentage of number serving: 0.5% [the following are well-known statistics] Number serving as presidents in U.S. history: 43 Number of death due to assassinations: 4 Number of assassinations as a percentage of number serving: 9.3% Thus, becoming president of the U.S., you have a 2,300% higher chance of being killed than serving in the military during the Vietnam War. Is it fair, then, to label George Bush a Chickenhawk? Plus, George Bush DID serve during the Vietnam War. Whether he was at risk as much as others I cannot assess as I don't know whether there was a possibility his unit would have been called up; but, unlike Clinton, he did serve. I got a kick out of Paul Hackett. He was upstaging Maher. The panel was droll this round. The Coulter clone was equally mindless. I'll be happy when this NeoCon illness subsides. There are lots of folks who did not serve in the military and I see nothing wrong in that. But they shouldn't advocate people fighting illegal wars for them. Vietnam was another stupid war the US shouldn't have been involved in. You must understand that the NeoCons believe in do as I say, not do as I do (or did). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] 'Back in the Day'
Just wanted to add, that 'Back in the Day', during that period; When the atmosphere, felt so sublime; There was a field of golden wheat growing next to Frat 112. This was before; Any of the buildings were changed. There was a feeling of 'Oneness' Maybe due to the time? Back in '77; Or '76. 'Twas just a good time...and space. Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] 'Is Bush Planning on Re-Instituting the Draft?'
Is he going to break yet another promise? And if so, the kids should start preparing; For the kind of protests; Reminiscent of the Viet Nam era. Robert Gimbel Seattle,WA. USA Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Back in the Day' (1975-1977)
Others would have different impressions, but on rare occasions when I go on campus, it feels pretty dead to me. Most of the buildings have been demolished, although there are a few new, yellow SV ones. There aren't many people around, and most of those seem to be foreign students. The town is rather lively though. The Art Walk, concerts, visiting saints and spiritual teachers, many awakened and awakening folks. I like it here. I wouldn't mind having more natural beauty - mountains to hike and ski in, ocean to swim in - but those who come and go say there's no place like Fairfield for consciousness. MUM is probably responsible for a minority of that influence these days. on 8/20/05 8:41 PM, Robert Gimbel at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Back in the day, when I was on staff at M.I.U. Around 1975-1977. I remember mostly the atmosphere there, Being quite exquisite. There was definitely more of a 'communal' feeling, And sweetness I remember. Maharishi, would visit periodically; For various conferences. I participated in one on Physics. Larry Domash set it up. It was quite good. Everything seemed so grounded and 'down to earth' then. Money was rolling in; It was during the 'Merv' days. I am wondering? If anyone cares to comment. How's the feeling in Faifield these days. Is there any type of communal feeling? I know there was always a certain degree of animosity, From the town, and fundamentalist folk. But in those early days, When Maharishi came there; There was even less of that town animosity, And positive remarks in the Fairfield Ledger. Sometimes, Jerry Jarvis would visit, Charlie Lutes, Robert Bly, Father Dom Thomas. Anyway, just reminiscing. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Respecting Maharishi requires absolute belief
Title: Respecting Maharishi requires absolute belief Letter from Jon Kelly Kirkpatrick to the editor of the Fairfield Ledger, August 11. If you feel inspired to write a letter to the editor in response to this, send it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Keep it under 500 words. Include your real name and where you live. It doesnt have to be Fairfield or even the US. To the editor: Erik Gables piece on the TM movement and Ammaji (sic) was good but missed a few underlying points. When someone begins TM he is told what its theoretical basis is. One can practice TM quite well without really understanding that basis. However, if one really understands what Maharishi is saying, one is left with just two possibilities. When someone claims total knowledge as Maharishi has, it gives us a great epistemological advantage. How can anyone claim total knowledge unless he either has it or is a fake? Can you think of anything in between? If you consider saints, none of less than the highest knowledge would claim to have it. (That, apparently is the unexamined conclusion about Maharishi of many who claim to respect him.) that leaves non-saints. But any non-saint who claimed to have the highest knowledge would be a fake and evil. Hence, we have two choices. Maharishi is either everything he says he is or he is a fake and evil. Those who reject Maharishi as fake and evil at least show internal consistency. Those who claim respect for Maharishi but seriously pursue other gurus do not. One cannot respect someone who claims total knowledge unless one believes he has it. Therefore, if one respects Maharishi one must believe everything he says. Moreover, the very nature of higher knowledge is its superior organizing power. Therefore, it would also follow that no other knowledge system (not to mention a fake system) could improve on the evolutionary practices derived from Maharishis knowledge. Of course one should pursue ones interests, but the pursuit of other gurus or their techniques, when one claims respect for Maharishi, indicates more than just spiritual ambition. It indicates spiritual confusion. Regarding Maharishis movement leadership, he tells us how to improve it. Maharishis Absolute Theory of Government states that a leader is an innocent mirror of the group he leads. That means that if the TM movements leaders have shortcomings then the meditators whom they lead, as a group, do too. In other words, entreaty is a waste of time until the group consciousness has improved. And group consciousness improves only when the individual, as the component of the group, improves. The best way to improve the individual, it would also follow if you believed Maharishi, is to own the movement. That is to say, to take charge of the movement. If one believes that Maharishi is who he says he is, then one must believe that this prescription is right and its claimed rewards should be put to the test. A quiet way to do this is Maharishis group practice of yogic flying which he describes as the most powerful technique for individual and community evolution. Of course not everyone, for various reasons, can always participate in group program or even, for that matter, do their program. For some that is because they cant follow the logic of their own premises. - Jon Kelly Kirkpatrick, Fairfield To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Respecting Maharishi requires absolute belief
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Letter from Jon Kelly Kirkpatrick to the editor of the Fairfield Ledger, snip Hence, we have two choices. Maharishi is either everything he says he is or he is a fake and evil. I'm struck by the fact that Kai used the same basis for his belief in Jesus: either he was who he said he was (the son of God), or he was a liar or a madman. Two points. First, it seems to me there's another possibility, in both cases: genuinely mistaken. I don't think that necessarily means insane. Second, I'm not sure total knowledge means quite what Kirkpatrick appears to think it means. At least according to MMY, what Krishna tells Arjuna in the Gita, Unfathomable is the course of action, applies across the board; even the enlightened person cannot fathom the course of action. So what would a claim to total knowledge mean in that context? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Respecting Maharishi requires absolute belief
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Letter from Jon Kelly Kirkpatrick to the editor of the Fairfield Ledger, snip Hence, we have two choices. Maharishi is either everything he says he is or he is a fake and evil. I'm struck by the fact that Kai used the same basis for his belief in Jesus: either he was who he said he was (the son of God), or he was a liar or a madman. Two points. First, it seems to me there's another possibility, in both cases: genuinely mistaken. I don't think that necessarily means insane. Second, I'm not sure total knowledge means quite what Kirkpatrick appears to think it means. At least according to MMY, what Krishna tells Arjuna in the Gita, Unfathomable is the course of action, applies across the board; even the enlightened person cannot fathom the course of action. So what would a claim to total knowledge mean in that context? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] 'Maharishi Having Trouble- Dumping Property in Tulsa, OK.'
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Respecting Maharishi requires absolute belief
Another letter was printed the next week by another person entitled Meditators aren't deluded - nonbelievers are. I'll try to post that tomorrow. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Hanuman Chalisa
Text of Hanuman Chalisa: http://www.hanuman.com/cha.html Also downloadable or streaming mp3 audio of the Hanuman Chalisa at http://www.hanuman.com/ If you scroll down to the bottom of this page, note that you can get a free CD of the Chalisa by e-mailing the webmaster of this site. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Chickenhawks
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Number serving during Vietnam War: 8,752,000 Number of battle deaths: 47,393 Number of battle deaths as a percentage of number serving: 0.5% Ah, but how many of those serving were actually in combat? A sidha and former Green Beret who served in Vietnam once told me only 5 percent of the troops in Vietnam actually saw combat. If 5 percent, that would put the number of battle deaths as a percentage of the number SEEING COMBAT at 10.8 percent. As we all know, Kerry saw combat. But when you sign up and serve, you don't know whether or not you're going to see action. So the odds of being killed in action are the same for all that sign up. If that holds true for George Bush, then he faced the same odds as Kerry did going into the service. Regardless, he chose the job of president which has a much, much higher probability of being killed. Number serving as presidents in U.S. history: 43 Number of death due to assassinations: 4 Number of assassinations as a percentage of number serving: 9.3% The Secret Service does a much better job of protecting the Commander-in-Chief these days. JFK insisted on riding around in a convertible with the top down, in Texas, no less. The Secret Service did not want Kennedy riding around Dallas with the top down. In fact, Kennedy was advised to avoid Dallas altogether. The Kennedys' penchant for risk-taking is legendary in the US. ...and Reagan? That bullet missed his heart by about 2 inches. THAT was just a stroke of luck that he lived. And Bush had a live grenade thrown at him in Ukraine or Georgia recently (can't remember exactly where). --- Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're right, calling Bush a chickenhawk is unfair. Let's call him a pussy instead. --- shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Last night I saw part of Bill Maher's Real Time on HBO (I can only take it in small dribs and drabs). They had a discussion about chickenhawks...I understand the term to mean people in government who wage war without having risked their own lives during wartime. Part of the conversation centered on John Kerry having served in Vietnam and therefore NOT being a chickenhawk and George Bush who did not and therefore, it was suggested, WAS a chickenhawk. But if the definition of chickenhawk rests upon the risk to one's life, let's examine some statistics regarding professions and the chance of entering that profession and being killed: [the following is from World Almanac Book of Facts ,1998, p. 181] Number serving during Vietnam War: 8,752,000 Number of battle deaths: 47,393 Number of battle deaths as a percentage of number serving: 0.5% [the following are well-known statistics] Number serving as presidents in U.S. history: 43 Number of death due to assassinations: 4 Number of assassinations as a percentage of number serving: 9.3% Thus, becoming president of the U.S., you have a 2,300% higher chance of being killed than serving in the military during the Vietnam War. Is it fair, then, to label George Bush a Chickenhawk? Plus, George Bush DID serve during the Vietnam War. Whether he was at risk as much as others I cannot assess as I don't know whether there was a possibility his unit would have been called up; but, unlike Clinton, he did serve. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Back in the Day' (1975-1977)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Back in the day, when I was on staff at M.I.U. Around 1975-1977. I remember mostly the atmosphere there, Being quite exquisite. There was definitely more of a 'communal' feeling, And sweetness I remember. Maharishi, would visit periodically; For various conferences. I participated in one on Physics. Larry Domash set it up. It was quite good. Everything seemed so grounded and 'down to earth' then. Money was rolling in; It was during the 'Merv' days. I am wondering? If anyone cares to comment. How's the feeling in Faifield these days. Is there any type of communal feeling? I know there was always a certain degree of animosity, From the town, and fundamentalist folk. But in those early days, When Maharishi came there; There was even less of that town animosity, And positive remarks in the Fairfield Ledger. Sometimes, Jerry Jarvis would visit, Charlie Lutes, Robert Bly, Father Dom Thomas. Anyway, just reminiscing. I remember Robert Bly coming. And I was in the library one day and remember someone in the administration corralling Bly into seeing a videotape of MMY that Bly obviously didn't want to see but was doing it out of politeness. It seemed that the administration person wanted to settle an argument with him or something...but Bly didn't want to have anything to do with it and I remember being embarrassed by him. There was a girl who was a student at MIU by the name of Debbie Thomas who had done some sort of internship or something with Bly the previous summer -- she was into poetry -- and I think she was the contact that got Bly to come to MIU. I remember Father Dom Thomas's visit, too. I remember running into him in the hallway and stopping to say hello to him and I couldn't finish the one sentence I spoke to him (I think I tried to say something short and innoculous like Hello, Father Dom, welcome to MIU. I couldn't finish the sentence because the silence around him was SO powerful that it just stunned me into mumbling the last few words. The words were humbled by his silence. His friend, Father Basil Pennington came, too, at a different time. Didn't like him...I felt an anger and anxiety around him that made me feel uncomfortable. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Back in the Day' (1975-1977)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Others would have different impressions, but on rare occasions when I go on campus, it feels pretty dead to me. Most of the buildings have been demolished, although there are a few new, yellow SV ones. There aren't many people around, and most of those seem to be foreign students. The town is rather lively though. The Art Walk, concerts, visiting saints and spiritual teachers, many awakened and awakening folks. I like it here. I wouldn't mind having more natural beauty - mountains to hike and ski in, ocean to swim in - but those who come and go say there's no place like Fairfield for consciousness. MUM is probably responsible for a minority of that influence these days. What's the situation with restaurants in Fairfield? When I was a student there, there were two pizza parlors on the square, a Pizza Hut on a nearby highway and the crowning glory: the Stever House. on 8/20/05 8:41 PM, Robert Gimbel at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Back in the day, when I was on staff at M.I.U. Around 1975-1977. I remember mostly the atmosphere there, Being quite exquisite. There was definitely more of a 'communal' feeling, And sweetness I remember. Maharishi, would visit periodically; For various conferences. I participated in one on Physics. Larry Domash set it up. It was quite good. Everything seemed so grounded and 'down to earth' then. Money was rolling in; It was during the 'Merv' days. I am wondering? If anyone cares to comment. How's the feeling in Faifield these days. Is there any type of communal feeling? I know there was always a certain degree of animosity, From the town, and fundamentalist folk. But in those early days, When Maharishi came there; There was even less of that town animosity, And positive remarks in the Fairfield Ledger. Sometimes, Jerry Jarvis would visit, Charlie Lutes, Robert Bly, Father Dom Thomas. Anyway, just reminiscing. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Respecting Maharishi requires absolute belief
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Letter from Jon Kelly Kirkpatrick to the editor of the Fairfield Ledger, snip Hence, we have two choices. Maharishi is either everything he says he is or he is a fake and evil. I'm struck by the fact that Kai used the same basis for his belief in Jesus: either he was who he said he was (the son of God), or he was a liar or a madman. Two points. First, it seems to me there's another possibility, in both cases: genuinely mistaken. I don't think that necessarily means insane. Second, I'm not sure total knowledge means quite what Kirkpatrick appears to think it means. At least according to MMY, what Krishna tells Arjuna in the Gita, Unfathomable is the course of action, applies across the board; even the enlightened person cannot fathom the course of action. So what would a claim to total knowledge mean in that context? Great point. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Respecting Maharishi requires absolute belief
This guy comes off as the TMO equivalent of a fanatical born-again Christian...more responses interweaved below... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Letter from Jon Kelly Kirkpatrick to the editor of the Fairfield Ledger, August 11. If you feel inspired to write a letter to the editor in response to this, send it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Keep it under 500 words. Include your real name and where you live. It doesn¹t have to be Fairfield or even the US. To the editor: Erik Gable¹s piece on the TM movement and Ammaji (sic) was good but missed a few underlying points. When someone begins TM he is told what its theoretical basis is. One can practice TM quite well without really understanding that basis. However, if one really understands what Maharishi is saying, one is left with just two possibilities. When someone claims total knowledge as Maharishi has, it gives us a great epistemological advantage. How can anyone claim total knowledge unless he either has it or is a fake? It doesn't have to be either of these two extremes. It could be he has total knowledge but does flawed things and makes flawed decisions in the relative world...and, thus, would NOT be a fake... Can you think of anything in between? If you consider saints, none of less than the highest knowledge would claim to have it. (That, apparently is the unexamined conclusion about Maharishi of many who claim to respect him.) that leaves non-saints. But any non-saint who claimed to have the highest knowledge would be a fake and evil. Hence, we have two choices. Maharishi is either everything he says he is or he is a fake and evil. I reject this silly either/or argument. Those who reject Maharishi as fake and evil at least show internal consistency. Those who claim respect for Maharishi but seriously pursue other gurus do not. Well, then, your argument is not consistent with a statement that MMY himself made: as long as you do TM twice daily, you can do 100 different techniques...which obviously includes following other gurus, as you put it. And another thing: since when is MMY a guru to be followed as your arguments suggest? He has stated that he does not have followers and you do not need to follow MMY in order for (1) TM to work; and (2) get enlightened through TM. One cannot respect someone who claims total knowledge unless one believes he has it. Respect has virtually NOTHING to do with the TM Program. Therefore, if one respects Maharishi one must believe everything he says. Moreover, the very nature of higher knowledge is its superior organizing power. Therefore, it would also follow that no other knowledge system (not to mention a fake system) could improve on the evolutionary practices derived from Maharishi¹s knowledge. Of course one should pursue one¹s interests, but the pursuit of other gurus or their techniques, when one claims respect for Maharishi, indicates more than just spiritual ambition. It indicates spiritual confusion. Regarding Maharishi¹s movement leadership, he tells us how to improve it. Maharishi¹s Absolute Theory of Government states that a leader is an innocent mirror of the group he leads. That means that if the TM movement¹s leaders have shortcomings then the meditators whom they lead, as a group, do too. In other words, entreaty is a waste of time until the group consciousness has improved. And group consciousness improves only when the individual, as the component of the group, improves. The best way to improve the individual, it would also follow if you believed Maharishi, is to own the movement. That is to say, to take charge of the movement. If one believes that Maharishi is who he says he is, then one must believe that this prescription is right and its claimed rewards should be put to the test. A quiet way to do this is Maharishi¹s group practice of yogic flying which he describes as the most powerful technique for individual and community evolution. Of course not everyone, for various reasons, can always participate in group program or even, for that matter, do their program. For some that is because they can¹t follow the logic of their own premises. - Jon Kelly Kirkpatrick, Fairfield This guy is a representation of the reason why the TMO has become a cult. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an
[FairfieldLife] Re: Respecting Maharishi requires absolute belief
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another letter was printed the next week by another person entitled Meditators aren't deluded - nonbelievers are. I'll try to post that tomorrow. Ohmigod...just the title scares me... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] A question about bigamy
In Canada, they recently legalized gay marriage. So, let's say man A marries man B. Then a few years later, man A marries a woman without getting divorced from man B. Is that bigamy? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] ' You Go Maharishi- Modern Day Robin Hood!'
Rob from the Rich and give to the Poor; You go Maharishi Mahesh Yogiji... Pundits in India; Will Forever Praise Your Name. Celestial Beings of Light; Blessing your work; Tirelessly, day and night; Forever In Circles of Time.__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
