[FairfieldLife] Re: Christians obsession with death
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Comment below: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: **Snip** I've also found Muktananda's comments and observations about Jesus and suffering to be very profound...and almost identical to MMY's. At the risk of being reminded by a FFL participant, once again, that Muktananda was a pedophile rapist (as inevitably happens every time I bring his name up), I will, time willing, reproduce some excerpts from some of his books on the subject 'cause they're really wonderful. **End** On my first ATR I read Muktananda's book, an autobiography that has a title I can't remember (something about Blue Pearl?), Probably Play of Consciousness which has frequent mention of the Blue Pearl. but a narration of his sadhana from early on -- his meditation experiences, meeting Nityananda, etc. It was the only book of his I ever read but I loved it. It was perfect for those times during a long-rounding course when you weren't rounding but still riding that wave. You know, on so many levels, those rounding courses we got to do were some of the most amazing times. And so wonderfully whacked. I've got about 15 of his books. The best is the 5 volume Satsang with Baba which are transcriptions of Questions and Answers between him and his students from around 1972, which is, I believe, before he ever came to America. What attracts me to Muktananda is his willingness and eagerness to speak of his personal experiences (as well as comment upon those of his devotees). I find it really inspiring. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unfoldments of Brahman
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff rorygoff@ wrote: Apologies for my directness, if you find such not pleasing. Again with the pile on approach to anyone who dares to speak from his own experience, and isn't content to mouth the words of others... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Planet SIMS
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Hell would freeze over before Maharishi made an apology, and the planet *Mercury* would freeze over before he or anyone else in the TMO admitted that they possess neither the wisdom nor the right to pass judgment on those they consider beneath them. That's part and parcel of the entire TMO dogma. I assume you are making that assessment based on personal experience and direct observation. Since you left the TMO in the latter 70's as did I, I assume you are talking about 67-78 or so. For that period, I have no idea what planet you were on, but it was not Planet SIMS or the Maharisahiville I knew. I was close -- probably too close -- to the center of the US SIMS, first as assistant to Stan Crowe, running the Western Regional Office for him, and standing in for him while he was on courses, then as a State Coordinator, and finally working directly for Jerry at National. Who was manifesting this entire TMO dogma in that period, leaders who passed judgement on those they consider beneath themselves? Maharish in that period? Jerry Jarvis? Joe Clarke? Stan Crowe, Bill Witherspoon, Charlie Donahue? Bob Brant, Rick Nelson, Rob Mccruchen? Casey Coleman? Louis Dyson? Bille Clayon? Johnny Gray? Keith Wallace?, Sy Migdal?, David Orme-Johnson? Larry Domash? Josie Faurso? Certainly all the Regional and State Coordinators, and often various petty tyrants in the individual centers themselves, with the help of National. People were being told that they couldn't go to ATR courses or to TTC right and left, for sins like living with a girlfriend/boyfriend while not married, having seen another teacher, or having read the wrong books. The last was what galled me the most, because in almost every case the people banning these sinners from courses had the exact same books on their shelves. The M groups === Purusha folks? By 1977, the leaders in the US were there teams of governors back from the six-month courses teaching the sidha courses. Only after 1977, and not even always then, because many of the leaders weren't able to get away to go to a course. You're losing track of your timelines. Them? Even Bevan. I had interactions with him in 77-78 and while he had some oddities, he was friendly and supportive. He was also not in a position of power, with regard to the US operations or MIU, as I remember. It's easy to be a nice guy when you have no power. It's more difficult to stay one once you are promoted to the rank of Official Petty Tyrant. :-) A few of all of these folks these characters, some had some odd, though perhaps endearing quirks, but stuck-up, superior, dismissive, judgemental? If you saw such, I assume it is a severe dase of projection. Or hallucination. Who specifically in this period are you talking about? Dude, either you were blessedly in a center somewhere in which the condescension and the heavy-handed off the program shit wasn't happening, or you were wearing your blinders at the time and didn't see it. Me, I was in the offices from whence this shit came, and watched it go down, with an ever-growing sense of dismay. In 1978 or so, I just couldn't stomach it any more, so I split. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unfoldments of Brahman
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff rorygoff@ wrote: Apologies for my directness, if you find such not pleasing. Again with the pile on approach to anyone who dares to speak from his own experience, and isn't content to mouth the words of others... Because I dare speak from my experience to observe some of his statements seem to be odd, not consistent with my experience? All glory to he with the raddest story i guess. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unfoldments of Brahman
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff rorygoff@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: Hi Rory, I understand you are participating in the current dome course. Have you taken the opportunity to share your experiential insights, below, with Maharishi? What were his comments? If you have not shared with him, why the reluctance for such a nice opportunity to manifestly express some of the gratitude you have? Hi akasha. Thanks for the questions. Maharishi is my Guru Dev; he is my true I and knows me better than I know myself. He created me, he sustains me, he destroys me. I attended the course for two weeks while this Understanding was driven home deeper and deeper every day. Without my saying a word, my (his) every thought, word and experience was commented upon, verified, and deepened by him. The intimate play between the Wholeness and the particle is heart-breaking in its innocence and simple splendor. His love and grace are boundless; in knowing him even to whatever small degree I do, I am exalted and humbled beyond measure. And all of this is perfectly ordinary. I have posted this material here only to clarify and correct some of the finer details of the unfoldment of Brahman I gave here last year. I am not interested in debating or discussing them particularly. They were simply some loose ends that had to be tied up. All glory to Guru Dev :-) Guarantee you that MMY would scream you out of the room if you claimed that shit in his presence. Ah, the blissful certainty of someone who (if I am not mistaken) has never even been in the same room with Maharishi... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tom Cruise Day in Japan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: snip Sadly, it's also unfair. Both Cruise and Brad Pitt don't get enough credit for their acting because of their good looks. I don't care much for Cruise, but I'm a huge Pitt fan. My favorite film of his is Meet Joe Black. It's very long and very slow and very talky, and you have to be *very* relaxed to sit through it. But he has some genuinely transcendent scenes that give me goose bumps. This comment explains much. If you found that film slow, you should watch some Japanese cinema sometime. It helps to develop patience and an appreciation for substance rather than flash. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unfoldments of Brahman
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lawson, you are one jealous mofo. Maybe cause Rory managed say more, inspire more, in one post than you have in over 10,000. You nailed it, Lurk. That's probably the biggest issue for the compulsive reactives -- reacting uncontrollably (and jealously) every time someone posts about personal experience they've never had. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unfoldments of Brahman
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guarantee you that MMY would scream you out of the room if you claimed that shit in his presence. Lawson, you are one jealous mofo. Maybe cause Rory managed say more, inspire more, in one post than you have in over 10,000. Yeah, the pathology of the TMO in a nutshell. Have profound experiences (like the Absolute having a personality!) and you are attacked and driven into silence. Exactly. And it's been going on forever, since at least Fiuggi, where at least two people I knew were sent home from the course for reporting CC experiences. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unfoldments of Brahman
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: snip Yeah, the pathology of the TMO in a nutshell. Have profound experiences (like the Absolute having a personality!) and you are attacked and driven into silence. How profound can the experiences be if the person having them is so bruised by a few negative comments that he feels he has to withdraw into silence? But *why* do you react negatively? Consistently? Could it possibly be...uh...jealousy? Having done everything you've been told to do for over thirty years and never having experienced diddley-squat, while those who do what the fuck they want have lots of cool experiences? There's a lesson in there, if you were just intelligent enough to perceive it... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unfoldments of Brahman
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: snip Yeah, the pathology of the TMO in a nutshell. Have profound experiences (like the Absolute having a personality!) and you are attacked and driven into silence. How profound can the experiences be if the person having them is so bruised by a few negative comments that he feels he has to withdraw into silence? But *why* do you react negatively? Consistently? Could it possibly be...uh...jealousy? Having done everything you've been told to do for over thirty years and never having experienced diddley-squat, while those who do what the fuck they want have lots of cool experiences? There's a lesson in there, if you were just intelligent enough to perceive it... So cool experiences is where it's at? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Planet SIMS
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Who was manifesting this entire TMO dogma in that period, leaders who passed judgement on those they consider beneath themselves? Maharish in that period? Jerry Jarvis? Joe Clarke? Stan Crowe, Bill Witherspoon, Charlie Donahue? Bob Brant, Rick Nelson, Rob Mccruchen? Casey Coleman? Louis Dyson? Bille Clayon? Johnny Gray? Keith Wallace?, Sy Migdal?, David Orme-Johnson? Larry Domash? Josie Faurso? Certainly all the Regional and State Coordinators, and often various petty tyrants in the individual centers themselves, with the help of National. Not my experience. Odd charaters some, some assholes, some egos, but I didn't see any out of bounds tyrants. Stan and Jerry visited my center regularly. As did 108. They were not the sons of satan you depict. Both were fair, supportive and great to have around the center. I had interactions with Joe Clarke on East Coast, and later with the Chicago Regional Center. As well as 3 months at SIMS National -- way before your time. And worked at Sims Berkeley quite a bit pre-TTC. And intereracted with Berekely after I was a teacher. Was chairman of a medium center. Way bigger than anything in Oregon. :) I didn't see petty tyrants in the teachers. Pre- 71 it was the jerry jarvis's, Terry Gustafon, Pete Ports, Carol Hanby, etc touring around. Later India TTC teachers -- most who taught were pretty grounded in my experience. With the US/European courses -- some flakes emerged. By seccond year, Fuuigi and all more flakes and pumped up egos petty administrators emerged. (Ring a bell). So from 72-79 -- things did go downhill some. Quite a bit in ways. But not to the degree you depict, IMO. Was at IU from the beginning. Worked international projects. Worked a lot with 108. Did not see what you depict. People were being told that they couldn't go to ATR courses or to TTC right and left, for sins like living with a girlfriend/boyfriend while not married, having seen another teacher, or having read the wrong books. So like 2% of applicants? I knew a lot of teachers and can't remember any that were denied ATR up through say 76-77 -- when it DID get wierd thru denial of credits. The M groups === Purusha folks? By 1977, the leaders in the US were there teams of governors back from the six-month courses teaching the sidha courses. Only after 1977, and not even always then, because many of the leaders weren't able to get away to go to a course. You're losing track of your timelines. Um, I was on the first wave of gov teams -- we hit the US in April of 77. No I am not losing track of my timelines. Them? Even Bevan. I had interactions with him in 77-78 and while he had some oddities, he was friendly and supportive. He was also not in a position of power, with regard to the US operations or MIU, as I remember. It's easy to be a nice guy when you have no power. It's more difficult to stay one once you are promoted to the rank of Official Petty Tyrant. :-) By late 77 he had quite a bit of sway, in my observations. He arrived at Academies and he was the, or a, major leader of things upon arrival. People moved to his flow of things. A few of all of these folks these characters, some had some odd, though perhaps endearing quirks, but stuck-up, superior, dismissive, judgemental? If you saw such, I assume it is a severe dase of projection. Or hallucination. Who specifically in this period are you talking about? Dude, either you were blessedly in a center somewhere in which the condescension and the heavy-handed off the program shit wasn't happening, I saw a particular center -- one I had chaired previously -- that got way off the program -- got direct calls from MMY (some time after I left) telling them to clean up their shit. It was well deserved from what i heard from close friends -- quite a bit of crap going on. That was not a petty tyrant. It was a CEO saying clean up your act. it was not petty stuff. Jerry and Stan were not the ones to intervene. MMY did directly. Other centers, other stories. or you were wearing your blinders at the time and didn't see it. Me, I was in the offices from whence this shit came, and watched it go down, with an ever-growing sense of dismay. In 1978 or so, I just couldn't stomach it any more, so I split. Governors were widespread by 78. Some rather odd. Some real personalities. But tyrants? Not in my close observationpart of team or flying goup at several major gov teaching facilities. By the 80s and 90's, from accounts of others, stuff you cite seems more on target. But not 67-78. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Christians obsession with death
True, even Socrates could be in that catagory also. But to get back to the point, that Maharishi was making about the suffering and stuff; I was thinking that true suffering is caused by the seperation from God, or Self... So, I would say that Jesus was 'suffering' on the Thursday before the crucifixion, when he felt that'God had forsaken him'. But as far as the difference between- Physical suffering and being spiritual unified; Is- the point, I think. R.G. -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: Let's not forget that Jesus Christos was not the *first* human incarnation/nirmanakaya to use the Death-Resurrection formulae of attainment. He was actually the last (in relation to humanity in the current epoch). ...lest Bacchus and Osiris and Krishna with his arrow in the side, on the tree arising-in-3-days be forgotten... Damn, now that you mention it, I DID learn that in Ancient Cults School which I attended as a kid -- and I DID forget. Thanks for the reminder. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Christians obsession with death
I'm going to theorize that there is a law of nature that says there is no free lunch. You screw up. You pay. But apparently how you pay depends on who you know. If you know the right guy, he can get you a reduced sentence. You do soft time meditating, say,instead of hard time suffering. Christians believe, I think, that Jesus is God incarnate come to do some real hard time for everyone who wants to sign up as his guy. There is no doubt that (a) Christians believe it and experience something as a result of making him their guru and (b) there doesn't seem to be anything preventing him from doing it if he has the power. We may not believe it but not believing or believing is probably more a matter of personal experience than anything else. As a friend once said, all religions are just maps of the territory and it is a mistake to assume that any of them are the actual territory. What we want, I think, is to explore the territory ourselves andonly use the map as a guide if we're getting lost. But to demean someone else's map seems a bit presumptious, don'tyou think? On 10/11/06, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: True, even Socrates could be in that catagory also.But to get back to the point, that Maharishi was making about thesuffering and stuff;I was thinking that true suffering is caused by the seperation from God, or Self...So, I would say that Jesus was 'suffering' on the Thursday before thecrucifixion, when he felt that'God had forsaken him'.But as far as the difference between-Physical suffering and being spiritual unified; Is- the point, I think.R.G.-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: Let's not forget that Jesus Christos was not the *first* human incarnation/nirmanakaya to use the Death-Resurrection formulae of attainment. He was actually the last (in relation to humanity in the current epoch)....lest Bacchus and Osiris and Krishna with his arrow in the side,on the tree arising-in-3-days be forgotten... Damn, now that you mention it, I DID learn that in Ancient Cults School which I attended as a kid -- and I DID forget. Thanks for the reminder. -- Rule #1: Don't Lose Money! www.ruleoneinvestor.com __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unfoldments of Brahman
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know what he's said and done in the past... Try to be more in the present. Expect miracles and wonders.. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unfoldments of Brahman
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, the pathology of the TMO in a nutshell. Have profound experiences (like the Absolute having a personality!)... Thats what MMY says himself. Did you read Love and God? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unfoldments of Brahman
--- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Yeah, the pathology of the TMO in a nutshell. Have profound experiences (like the Absolute having a personality!) and you are attacked and driven into silence. How profound can the experiences be if the person having them is so bruised by a few negative comments that he feels he has to withdraw into silence? I take them at face value. Why would someone's reactions to negative comments somehow negate or diminish such experiences? How do we know said parties are bruised and are wimpy-wimps because they withdraw into silence. When someone characterizes your experience as sh*t why would anyone speak about them again? Sharing experiences is not a debate. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unfoldments of Brahman
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: snip Yeah, the pathology of the TMO in a nutshell. Have profound experiences (like the Absolute having a personality!) and you are attacked and driven into silence. How profound can the experiences be if the person having them is so bruised by a few negative comments that he feels he has to withdraw into silence? The Rory I saw at Revs yesterday was far from bruised and withdrawn. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unfoldments of Brahman
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: snip Yeah, the pathology of the TMO in a nutshell. Have profound experiences (like the Absolute having a personality!) and you are attacked and driven into silence. How profound can the experiences be if the person having them is so bruised by a few negative comments that he feels he has to withdraw into silence? I take them at face value. Why would someone's reactions to negative comments somehow negate or diminish such experiences? How do we know said parties are bruised and are wimpy-wimps because they withdraw into silence. When someone characterizes your experience as sh*t why would anyone speak about them again? Sharing experiences is not a debate. Well said, Peter. And, Rory's declining to debate his recent post is completely consistent with his lack of participation on FFL lately. I've spoken with him about this before, and FFL is simply no longer where he wants to direct lots of time, energy, and attention. Better to just take him at face value when he writes, I have posted this material here only to clarify and correct some of the finer details of the unfoldment of Brahman I gave here last year. I am not interested in debating or discussing them particularly. They were simply some loose ends that had to be tied up. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Planet SIMS
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Hell would freeze over before Maharishi made an apology, and the planet *Mercury* would freeze over before he or anyone else in the TMO admitted that they possess neither the wisdom nor the right to pass judgment on those they consider beneath them. That's part and parcel of the entire TMO dogma. I assume you are making that assessment based on personal experience and direct observation. Since you left the TMO in the latter 70's as did I, I assume you are talking about 67-78 or so. For that period, I have no idea what planet you were on, but it was not Planet SIMS or the Maharisahiville I knew. I was close -- probably too close -- to the center of the US SIMS, first as assistant to Stan Crowe, running the Western Regional Office for him, and standing in for him while he was on courses, then as a State Coordinator, and finally working directly for Jerry at National. Who was manifesting this entire TMO dogma in that period, leaders who passed judgement on those they consider beneath themselves? Maharish in that period? Jerry Jarvis? Joe Clarke? Stan Crowe, Bill Witherspoon, Charlie Donahue? Bob Brant, Rick Nelson, Rob Mccruchen? Casey Coleman? Louis Dyson? Bille Clayon? Johnny Gray? Keith Wallace?, Sy Migdal?, David Orme-Johnson? Larry Domash? Josie Faurso? Certainly all the Regional and State Coordinators, and often various petty tyrants in the individual centers themselves, with the help of National. People were being told that they couldn't go to ATR courses or to TTC right and left, for sins like living with a girlfriend/boyfriend while not married, having seen another teacher, or having read the wrong books. The last was what galled me the most, because in almost every case the people banning these sinners from courses had the exact same books on their shelves. The M groups === Purusha folks? By 1977, the leaders in the US were there teams of governors back from the six-month courses teaching the sidha courses. Only after 1977, and not even always then, because many of the leaders weren't able to get away to go to a course. You're losing track of your timelines. Them? Even Bevan. I had interactions with him in 77-78 and while he had some oddities, he was friendly and supportive. He was also not in a position of power, with regard to the US operations or MIU, as I remember. It's easy to be a nice guy when you have no power. It's more difficult to stay one once you are promoted to the rank of Official Petty Tyrant. :-) A few of all of these folks these characters, some had some odd, though perhaps endearing quirks, but stuck-up, superior, dismissive, judgemental? If you saw such, I assume it is a severe dase of projection. Or hallucination. Who specifically in this period are you talking about? Dude, either you were blessedly in a center somewhere in which the condescension and the heavy-handed off the program shit wasn't happening, or you were wearing your blinders at the time and didn't see it. Me, I was in the offices from whence this shit came, and watched it go down, with an ever-growing sense of dismay. In 1978 or so, I just couldn't stomach it any more, so I split. We had one of those 'petty tyrants' at the local center. In the 76-77 time frame she blocked 3 adults from completing TTC (they had already completed 2/3) - couldn't have competition, now could we... Those were dark days... some fairly *creative* survival tactics were used to be the last one afloat on a sinking ship... JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Christians obsession with death
On Oct 10, 2006, at 11:08 PM, new.morning wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's not forget that Jesus Christos was not the *first* human incarnation/nirmanakaya to use the Death-Resurrection formulae of attainment. He was actually the last (in relation to humanity in the current epoch). ...lest Bacchus and Osiris and Krishna with his arrow in the side, on the tree arising-in-3-days be forgotten... Damn, now that you mention it, I DID learn that in Ancient Cults School which I attended as a kid -- and I DID forget. Thanks for the reminder. Sheesh, it was in Ancient Cultus 101, otherwise I'd have never known he was a copycat savior. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Unfoldments of Brahman
Hi Rory: Would you be able to share some here on the course and what's been said? Is it true, or did I hear it wrong, have they changed the TMSP or overall program in some way? I of course understand if you don't want to post it to such a public list. Perhaps you could post it on Spiritual Chat. Hope you're enjoying your new home in FF. Are you still coming back to New England or are now officially an Iowan? ;-) It would be interesting to hear your story since we last heard from you. TIA, Vaj On Oct 10, 2006, at 1:51 PM, Rory Goff wrote: With deepest gratitude to MMY and Guru Dev, we wish to correct some Understandings of Brahman we gave here last year. Within the 27 Nakshatra-states, the middle third or 9 central ones are those of Brahma(n), or Light, or Consciousness: Brahma-Shiva-Shiva (B-S-S) or Mahaturiya Brahma-Shiva-Brahma (B-S-B) or Maharishi (Brahman) Brahma-Shiva-Vishnu (B-S-V) or Mahadevata (Krishna) Brahma-Brahma-Shiva (B-B-S) or Mahachandas (Shiva) Brahma-Brahma-Brahma (B-B-B) or Solar Angel, Lamp at the Door Brahma-Brahma-Vishnu (B-B-V), or chandas (U.C.) Brahma-Vishnu-Shiva (B-V-S), or devata (G.C.) Brahma-Vishnu-Brahma (B-V-B), or rishi (C.C.) Brahma-Vishnu-Vishnu (B-V-V), or turiya (T.C.) Within these 9, the centermost one is Brahma-Brahma-Brahma (B-B-B), the Lamp at the Door, the Solar Angel who resides in the Sacred Heart (Solar Plexus) as the intermediary between the Absolute (Rudra, Shiva, or Purusha) and the Relative (Indra, Vishnu or Shakti). In truth, this is the only state of Consciousness that actually exists -- the supreme radiance of the perfect Now, the juncture- point of Heaven and Earth. From here, we can (eventually) see that all the states that led here -- T.C. or Turiya (Brahma-Vishnu- Vishnu; B-V-V), C.C. or Rishi (Brahma-Vishnu-Brahma; B-V-B) G. C. or Devata(Brahma-Vishnu-Shiva; B-V-S), and U.C. or Chandas(Brahma-Brahma-Vishnu; B-B-V) are but identification with a time-bound particle or I within Our wholeness. We have been approaching the Now from an (unconscious) identification with a particle on the Relative side. But in actuality, there has been a very simple, innocent, unqualified Absolute side of Us approaching this Now as the Wholeness or container of the experience(s), in perfect reflection to the Relative side. When our particle-self thinks it is in T.C. (B- V-V), our Wholeness is Mahaturiya (B-S-S); when our particle-self attains C.C. or Rishi (B-V-B), our Wholeness is Brahman itself: that particle's Witness, its Maharishi (B-S-B); when our particle-self attains G.C. or Devata (B-V-S), our Wholeness is that particle's loving Personal God or Krishna-Avatar, its Mahadevata (B-S-V); and when our particle-self attains U.C. or Chandas (B-B-V), our Wholeness is that particle's Shiva, its Mahachandas (B-B-S). These two sides -- the Absolute and the Relative, the Whole and the Particle -- culminate in their fusion in the mid-most state of Brahma-Brahma-Brahma (B-B-B). The simple, ordinary, very quiet thought we had from the Absolute side with reference to nurturing our particles creates the intensely devotional appreciation of that thought from the Devata or sensory particle side, and the corresponding display of that thought as the Reality of the Outer, so that the rishi, devata, and chandas are fully appreciated as OneSelf. Thus we can say that C.C. is our particle's appreciation of our Brahman-Self; G.C. is our particle's appreciation of our Krishna- Self, and U.C. is our particle's appreciation of our Shiva-Self -- all culminating in ourSelf as Brahma(n), the Perfect Light of the Sacred Heart. This is our natural, simple, a priori state of consciousness. This is what we have always been, and what we always will be, regardless of the stories our Wholeness and our particles have been telling us/themselves. From here, the process continues -- with any and every particle we find within ourSelf. We first find ourselves identifying unconsciously with that particle, giving that particle unconscious sovereignty -- at this time the particle is in Ignorance in our Brahman. Then, we realize that this is not Us, but a particle within Us -- we then become that particle's Witness, its conscious Brahman - - while it is identifying with C.C. Then, we give that particle our loving attention, warming it up into its a priori bliss, becoming its personal God or Avatar or Krishna, while it is identifying with G.C. Then it perceives its ultimate identity with us in Shiva/U.C., and we finally come back to primordial Radiant Self. We are constantly throwing off particles of not-self, and re-integrating them back into ourSelf, as pulsations of our Now into all 9 (and eventually 27) states -- this is how we learn to appreciate ourSelf and our various qualities... Brahmarishi Indradevata Rudrachandas To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to:
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unfoldments of Brahman
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff rorygoff@ wrote: Apologies for my directness, if you find such not pleasing. Again with the pile on approach to anyone who dares to speak from his own experience, and isn't content to mouth the words of others... Lessee now, by my count this pile on approach has yielded precisely three negative reactions: one from new morning speaking from *his* experience; one from Lawson questioning not Rory's experiences but his assertion that MMY is his Guru Dev; and one very brief, mildly flip comment from Curtis (who is no longer a TMer). Do these constitute the piling on you're referring to, Barry? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Quote of the Year
You know I could run for governor but I'm basically a media creation. I've never done anything. I've worked for my dad. I worked in the oil business. But that's not the kind of profile you have to have to get elected to public office. --- George W. Bush, 1989. For once, he actually got something right.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tom Cruise Day in Japan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: snip Sadly, it's also unfair. Both Cruise and Brad Pitt don't get enough credit for their acting because of their good looks. I don't care much for Cruise, but I'm a huge Pitt fan. My favorite film of his is Meet Joe Black. It's very long and very slow and very talky, and you have to be *very* relaxed to sit through it. But he has some genuinely transcendent scenes that give me goose bumps. This comment explains much. If you found that film slow, you should watch some Japanese cinema sometime. It helps to develop patience and an appreciation for substance rather than flash. And now it's a movie review in which Barry finds the opportunity to deliver a putdown (and an off- target one to boot). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unfoldments of Brahman
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: snip Yeah, the pathology of the TMO in a nutshell. Have profound experiences (like the Absolute having a personality!) and you are attacked and driven into silence. How profound can the experiences be if the person having them is so bruised by a few negative comments that he feels he has to withdraw into silence? But *why* do you react negatively? Consistently? Why do *I* react consistently negatively? I haven't made a single comment about Rory's post, negative *or* positive. Barry, you gotta do something about your hallucinations. Could it possibly be...uh...jealousy? Having done everything you've been told to do for over thirty years And another hallucination... and never having experienced diddley-squat, ...and yet another. while those who do what the fuck they want have lots of cool experiences? There's a lesson in there, if you were just intelligent enough to perceive it... Well, actually, there's a lesson for you in the fact that none of what you just attributed to me is the case. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unfoldments of Brahman
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: snip Yeah, the pathology of the TMO in a nutshell. Have profound experiences (like the Absolute having a personality!) and you are attacked and driven into silence. How profound can the experiences be if the person having them is so bruised by a few negative comments that he feels he has to withdraw into silence? The Rory I saw at Revs yesterday was far from bruised and withdrawn. Peter appears to think he has been driven into silence. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unfoldments of Brahman
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: snip Yeah, the pathology of the TMO in a nutshell. Have profound experiences (like the Absolute having a personality!) and you are attacked and driven into silence. How profound can the experiences be if the person having them is so bruised by a few negative comments that he feels he has to withdraw into silence? I take them at face value. Why would someone's reactions to negative comments somehow negate or diminish such experiences? Exactly my point. How do we know said parties are bruised and are wimpy-wimps because they withdraw into silence. That's what you seemed to me to be suggesting. When someone characterizes your experience as sh*t why would anyone speak about them again? Sharing experiences is not a debate. I don't recall anyone suggesting that the experiences Rory posted were sh*t, but even if someone had, that's one someone on a forum read by quite a few people. Why would you fold your tents and steal away because of one, or even a few, negative comments? If there was a veritable *barrage* of attacks, such that it appeared nobody was receptive to the account of experiences, then it would make sense (pearls before swine and all that). But that simply hasn't been the case with the reaction to Rory's post. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unfoldments of Brahman
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff rorygoff@ wrote: Apologies for my directness, if you find such not pleasing. Again with the pile on approach to anyone who dares to speak from his own experience, and isn't content to mouth the words of others... Lessee now, by my count this pile on approach has yielded precisely three negative reactions: one from new morning speaking from *his* experience; one from Lawson questioning not Rory's experiences but his assertion that MMY is his Guru Dev; and one very brief, mildly flip comment from Curtis (who is no longer a TMer). Do these constitute the piling on you're referring to, Barry? I thought he was refering to the reaction over time here on FFL, when someone comes forward with direct experience, not this specific post by Rory. JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unfoldments of Brahman
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: snip Yeah, the pathology of the TMO in a nutshell. Have profound experiences (like the Absolute having a personality!) and you are attacked and driven into silence. How profound can the experiences be if the person having them is so bruised by a few negative comments that he feels he has to withdraw into silence? The Rory I saw at Revs yesterday was far from bruised and withdrawn. Peter appears to think he has been driven into silence. If that's the case, then Peter is mistaken. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unfoldments of Brahman
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: --- authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: snip Yeah, the pathology of the TMO in a nutshell. Have profound experiences (like the Absolute having a personality!) and you are attacked and driven into silence. How profound can the experiences be if the person having them is so bruised by a few negative comments that he feels he has to withdraw into silence? I take them at face value. Why would someone's reactions to negative comments somehow negate or diminish such experiences? Exactly my point. How do we know said parties are bruised and are wimpy-wimps because they withdraw into silence. That's what you seemed to me to be suggesting. When someone characterizes your experience as sh*t why would anyone speak about them again? Sharing experiences is not a debate. I don't recall anyone suggesting that the experiences Rory posted were sh*t, but even if someone had, that's one someone on a forum read by quite a few people. Why would you fold your tents and steal away because of one, or even a few, negative comments? If there was a veritable *barrage* of attacks, such that it appeared nobody was receptive to the account of experiences, then it would make sense (pearls before swine and all that). But that simply hasn't been the case with the reaction to Rory's post. Ok, duh. Now I see where you're coming from. I interpreted your earlier comment as smackdown on Rory, and since Rory is my Guru Dev; he is my true I and knows me better than I know myself, I went into knee-jerk defensive mode. Truth is, I loved Rory, and I was with him when he died. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unfoldments of Brahman
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff rorygoff@ wrote: Apologies for my directness, if you find such not pleasing. Again with the pile on approach to anyone who dares to speak from his own experience, and isn't content to mouth the words of others... Lessee now, by my count this pile on approach has yielded precisely three negative reactions: one from new morning speaking from *his* experience; one from Lawson questioning not Rory's experiences but his assertion that MMY is his Guru Dev; and one very brief, mildly flip comment from Curtis (who is no longer a TMer). Do these constitute the piling on you're referring to, Barry? I thought he was refering to the reaction over time here on FFL, when someone comes forward with direct experience, not this specific post by Rory. Barry was clearly referring to the reaction to Rory's post as an *example* of piling on. My point is that Barry's comment was yet another example of his desperate need to find an occasion for a putdown of TMers, even if he has to manufacture that putdown out of thin air, as in this case--and subsequently today, when he accused me in a later post of always reacting negatively to posts about experiences when I hadn't said a word about Rory's post. (In fact, you'd be hard put to find me making negative comments about someone's reported experiences.) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unfoldments of Brahman
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: --- authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: snip Yeah, the pathology of the TMO in a nutshell. Have profound experiences (like the Absolute having a personality!) and you are attacked and driven into silence. How profound can the experiences be if the person having them is so bruised by a few negative comments that he feels he has to withdraw into silence? I take them at face value. Why would someone's reactions to negative comments somehow negate or diminish such experiences? Exactly my point. How do we know said parties are bruised and are wimpy-wimps because they withdraw into silence. That's what you seemed to me to be suggesting. When someone characterizes your experience as sh*t why would anyone speak about them again? Sharing experiences is not a debate. I don't recall anyone suggesting that the experiences Rory posted were sh*t, but even if someone had, that's one someone on a forum read by quite a few people. Why would you fold your tents and steal away because of one, or even a few, negative comments? If there was a veritable *barrage* of attacks, such that it appeared nobody was receptive to the account of experiences, then it would make sense (pearls before swine and all that). But that simply hasn't been the case with the reaction to Rory's post. Ok, duh. Now I see where you're coming from. I interpreted your earlier comment as smackdown on Rory Not at all, it was a smackdown on Peter. I think the whole story that seems to have become established here about TMers putting down other people's reported experiences is a crock, frankly. But *if* a few negative comments about someone's experiences would actually drive that person away (and I have no reason whatsoever to think that's the case with Rory), then I have to wonder about the degree of confidence the person has in those experiences. I can certainly understand the person not feeling the need to defend the experiences against challenge, but that doesn't seem to me to be what Peter was suggesting. , and since Rory is my Guru Dev; he is my true I and knows me better than I know myself, I went into knee-jerk defensive mode. Truth is, I loved Rory, and I was with him when he died. Ain't gonna touch that one! Care to expand? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unfoldments of Brahman
I believe his detailed description of his awareness and state of consciousness was a dramatic and imaginative way to describe the peak experiences that we all have, in or out of TM. I went to a private zoo yesterday in perfect pre-Fall weather. I had amazing experiences interacting with the big cats. In this zoo you can get really close and I was often alone with them, since it was a weekday. I got charged by a white tiger and a lion, one playful, and one seemed pretty serious, although she chilled out before she hit the fence. The experience of them locking onto my eyes and running towards me was such a peak experience for me. It made me feel alive in a sudden burst of clarity. The lion roared for me to make our relationship clear, and the sound was Rig Veda on steroids! She made her whole throat into a straight tube and it reverberated throughout the whole zoo. I got to speak to the mountain lion from very close, and he reacted like my own cats, displaying all the friendly face rubbing behaviors that I am familiar with. Such a beautiful animal. So much presence behind those eyes. They also had three 5 month old Bengal white tiger cubs, and watching them play/fight, honing their ambush and kill techniques made me laugh out loud many times. They were so full of playful menace. Each lighthearted game ended with one of them clamped down on the other's neck! I could never work with big cats myself, but I admire those who do. Communicating with animals is one of my most cherished experiences, but I don't think I have the nerve to put it all on the line in the life and death potential of working with these animals. It was enough to be as close as I felt yesterday. It was a great day! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unfoldments of Brahman
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff rorygoff@ wrote: Apologies for my directness, if you find such not pleasing. Again with the pile on approach to anyone who dares to speak from his own experience, and isn't content to mouth the words of others... Lessee now, by my count this pile on approach has yielded precisely three negative reactions: one from new morning speaking from *his* experience; one from Lawson questioning not Rory's experiences but his assertion that MMY is his Guru Dev; and one very brief, mildly flip comment from Curtis (who is no longer a TMer). Do these constitute the piling on you're referring to, Barry? I thought he was refering to the reaction over time here on FFL, when someone comes forward with direct experience, not this specific post by Rory. JohnY I personally see it as a case of where there is no longer thirst, there is no longer water. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Jyotish books download
From a friend: Dear Great Sages, I found a site where you can download major classic reference texts of Jyotish in entirety in HTML form, a great boon for traveling. Go to http://jyotishvidya.com/books.htm Enjoy the forthcoming multiple conjunction and sandhi! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Albright changes tires of Mid-East dictators
In a message dated 10/10/06 7:04:15 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED].. wrote: In a message dated 10/10/06 6:03:23 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So where's the ad showing Cheney shaking hands with Saddam? He didn'tTrue, it was Donald Rumsfeld who shook hands with Saddam. Bingo, and when you are a guest in a country and you have an audience with the leader of that country you always exchange pleasantries and shake hands before getting down to business. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Christians obsession with death
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: True, even Socrates could be in that catagory also. But to get back to the point, that Maharishi was making about the suffering and stuff; I was thinking that true suffering is caused by the seperation from God, or Self... So, I would say that Jesus was 'suffering' on the Thursday before the crucifixion, when he felt that'God had forsaken him'. According to the movie The Last Temptation of Christ, Jesus said that line while on the cross... But as far as the difference between- Physical suffering and being spiritual unified; Is- the point, I think. R.G. -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: Let's not forget that Jesus Christos was not the *first* human incarnation/nirmanakaya to use the Death-Resurrection formulae of attainment. He was actually the last (in relation to humanity in the current epoch). ...lest Bacchus and Osiris and Krishna with his arrow in the side, on the tree arising-in-3-days be forgotten... Damn, now that you mention it, I DID learn that in Ancient Cults School which I attended as a kid -- and I DID forget. Thanks for the reminder. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Albright changes tires of Mid-East dictators
In a message dated 10/10/06 7:03:06 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So where's the ad showing Cheney shaking hands with Saddam?Better yet Kim Jong Il shaking hands with Donald Rumsfeld. Rumsfeld was on the board of the company that sold North Korea the equipment to process uranium. Um, Cheney never met Saddam, it was Rumsfeld . And dignitaries always shake hands when they meet, especially if you are on the other person's turf. I have no idea about Rumsfeld being on any board, of any company, that sold technological equipment to North Korea, but you need to ask yourself , who, in the government,approvedthe sale of that equipment and technology? __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unfoldments of Brahman
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Yeah, the pathology of the TMO in a nutshell. Have profound experiences (like the Absolute having a personality!)... Thats what MMY says himself. Did you read Love and God? Don't mind checking that out right now, but I seem to recall the word brahma(n)* is inflected like a neuter gender word, but is otherwise treated as a masculine word. I guess that means e.g. that the personal pronoun used to refer to Brahman is He (sa[H], so [pron: saw]), not It (tat, tad). *) nominative singular is brahma (neuter), not brahmaa(masc.). Cf aatman - nom.sing. aatmaa (masc.), NOT aatma (neut.). Also, in the case of neuter gender words, as in Latin, in Sanskrit they are identical in form both in nominative and in accusative. Accusative singular of aatmaa is aatmaanam, but acc.sing. of brahma, is, well, brahma. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] No booze in my taxi
Don't Bring that Booze into my Taxi By Daniel Pipes FrontPageMagazine.com | October 11, 2006 A minor issue at the Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport (MSP) has potentially major implications for the future of Islam in the United States. Starting about a decade ago, some Muslim taxi drivers serving the airport declared, that they would not transport passengers visibly carrying alcohol, in transparent duty-free shopping bags, for example. This stance stemmed from their understanding of the Koran's ban on alcohol. A driver named Fuad Omar explained: This is our religion. We could be punished in the afterlife if we agree to [transport alcohol]. This is a Koran issue. This came from heaven. Another driver, Muhamed Mursal, echoed his words: It is forbidden in Islam to carry alcohol. The issue emerged publicly in 2000. On one occasion, 16 drivers in a row refused a passenger with bottles of alcohol. This left the passenger - who had done nothing legally wrong - feeling like a criminal. For their part, the 16 cabbies lost income. As Josh L. Dickey of the Associated Press put it, when drivers at MSP refuse a fare for any reason, they go to the back of the line. Wy back. Past the terminal, down a long service road, and into a sprawling parking lot jammed with cabs in Bloomington, where drivers sit idle for hours, waiting to be called again. To avoid this predicament, Muslim taxi drivers asked the Metropolitan Airports Commission for permission to refuse passengers carrying liquor - or even suspected of carrying liquor - without being banished to the end of the line. MAC rejected this appeal, worried that drivers might offer religion as an excuse to refuse short-distance passengers. The number of Muslim drivers has by now increased, to the point that they reportedly make up three-quarters of MSP's 900 cabdrivers. By September 2006, Muslims turned down an estimated three fares a day based on their religious objection to alcohol, an airport spokesman, Patrick Hogan, told the Associated Press, adding that this issue has slowly grown over the years to the point that it's become a significant customer service issue. Travelers often feel surprised and insulted, Mr. Hogan told USA Today. With this in mind, MAC proposed a pragmatic solution: drivers unwilling to carry alcohol could get a special color light on their car roofs, signaling their views on alcohol to taxi starters and customers alike. From the airport's point of view, this scheme offers a sensible and efficient mechanism to resolve a minor irritant, leaving no passenger insulted and no driver losing business. Airport authorities are not in the business of interpreting sacred texts or dictating anyone's religious choices, Hogan points out. Our goal is simply to ensure travelers at [the airport] are well served. Awaiting approval only from the airport's taxi advisory committee, the two-light proposal will likely be in operation by the end of 2006. But on a societal level, the proposed solution has massive and worrisome implications. Namely, the two-light plan intrudes the Shari`a, or Islamic law, with state sanction, into a mundane commercial transaction in Minnesota. A government authority thus sanctions a signal as to who does or does not follow Islamic law. What of taxi drivers beyond those at MSP? Other Muslims in Minneapolis-St. Paul and across the country could well demand the same privilege. Bus conductors might follow suit. The whole transport system could be divided between those Islamically observant and those not so. Why stop with alcohol? Muslim taxi drivers in several countries already balk at allowing seeing-eye dogs in their cars. Future demands could include not transporting women with exposed arms or hair, homosexuals, and unmarried couples. For that matter, they could ban men wearing kippas, as well as Hindus, atheists, bartenders, croupiers, astrologers, bankers, and quarterbacks. MAC has consulted on the taxi issue with the Minnesota chapter of the Muslim American Society, an organization the Chicago Tribune has established is devoted to turning the United States into a country run be Islamic law. The wife of a former head of the organization, for example, has explained that its goal is to educate everyone about Islam and to follow the teachings of Islam with the hope of establishing an Islamic state. It is precisely the innocuous nature of the two-light taxi solution that makes it so insidious - and why the Metropolitan Airports Commission should reconsider its wrong-headed decision. Readers who wish to make their views known to the MAC can write it at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Click Here to support Frontpagemag.com. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to:
[FairfieldLife] Re: No booze in my taxi
I don't think they should be transporting women who don't wear the headscarf either. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't Bring that Booze into my Taxi By Daniel Pipes FrontPageMagazine.com | October 11, 2006 A minor issue at the Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport (MSP) has potentially major implications for the future of Islam in the United States. Starting about a decade ago, some Muslim taxi drivers serving the airport declared, that they would not transport passengers visibly carrying alcohol, in transparent duty-free shopping bags, for example. This stance stemmed from their understanding of the Koran's ban on alcohol. A driver named Fuad Omar explained: This is our religion. We could be punished in the afterlife if we agree to [transport alcohol]. This is a Koran issue. This came from heaven. Another driver, Muhamed Mursal, echoed his words: It is forbidden in Islam to carry alcohol. The issue emerged publicly in 2000. On one occasion, 16 drivers in a row refused a passenger with bottles of alcohol. This left the passenger - who had done nothing legally wrong - feeling like a criminal. For their part, the 16 cabbies lost income. As Josh L. Dickey of the Associated Press put it, when drivers at MSP refuse a fare for any reason, they go to the back of the line. Wy back. Past the terminal, down a long service road, and into a sprawling parking lot jammed with cabs in Bloomington, where drivers sit idle for hours, waiting to be called again. To avoid this predicament, Muslim taxi drivers asked the Metropolitan Airports Commission for permission to refuse passengers carrying liquor - or even suspected of carrying liquor - without being banished to the end of the line. MAC rejected this appeal, worried that drivers might offer religion as an excuse to refuse short-distance passengers. The number of Muslim drivers has by now increased, to the point that they reportedly make up three-quarters of MSP's 900 cabdrivers. By September 2006, Muslims turned down an estimated three fares a day based on their religious objection to alcohol, an airport spokesman, Patrick Hogan, told the Associated Press, adding that this issue has slowly grown over the years to the point that it's become a significant customer service issue. Travelers often feel surprised and insulted, Mr. Hogan told USA Today. With this in mind, MAC proposed a pragmatic solution: drivers unwilling to carry alcohol could get a special color light on their car roofs, signaling their views on alcohol to taxi starters and customers alike. From the airport's point of view, this scheme offers a sensible and efficient mechanism to resolve a minor irritant, leaving no passenger insulted and no driver losing business. Airport authorities are not in the business of interpreting sacred texts or dictating anyone's religious choices, Hogan points out. Our goal is simply to ensure travelers at [the airport] are well served. Awaiting approval only from the airport's taxi advisory committee, the two-light proposal will likely be in operation by the end of 2006. But on a societal level, the proposed solution has massive and worrisome implications. Namely, the two-light plan intrudes the Shari`a, or Islamic law, with state sanction, into a mundane commercial transaction in Minnesota. A government authority thus sanctions a signal as to who does or does not follow Islamic law. What of taxi drivers beyond those at MSP? Other Muslims in Minneapolis-St. Paul and across the country could well demand the same privilege. Bus conductors might follow suit. The whole transport system could be divided between those Islamically observant and those not so. Why stop with alcohol? Muslim taxi drivers in several countries already balk at allowing seeing-eye dogs in their cars. Future demands could include not transporting women with exposed arms or hair, homosexuals, and unmarried couples. For that matter, they could ban men wearing kippas, as well as Hindus, atheists, bartenders, croupiers, astrologers, bankers, and quarterbacks. MAC has consulted on the taxi issue with the Minnesota chapter of the Muslim American Society, an organization the Chicago Tribune has established is devoted to turning the United States into a country run be Islamic law. The wife of a former head of the organization, for example, has explained that its goal is to educate everyone about Islam and to follow the teachings of Islam with the hope of establishing an Islamic state. It is precisely the innocuous nature of the two-light taxi solution that makes it so insidious - and why the Metropolitan Airports Commission should reconsider its wrong-headed decision. Readers who wish to make their views known to the MAC can write it at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Click Here to support
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unfoldments of Brahman
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: --- authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: snip Yeah, the pathology of the TMO in a nutshell. Have profound experiences (like the Absolute having a personality!) and you are attacked and driven into silence. How profound can the experiences be if the person having them is so bruised by a few negative comments that he feels he has to withdraw into silence? I take them at face value. Why would someone's reactions to negative comments somehow negate or diminish such experiences? How do we know said parties are bruised and are wimpy-wimps because they withdraw into silence. When someone characterizes your experience as sh*t why would anyone speak about them again? Sharing experiences is not a debate. Well said, Peter. And, Rory's declining to debate his recent post is completely consistent with his lack of participation on FFL lately. I've spoken with him about this before, and FFL is simply no longer where he wants to direct lots of time, energy, and attention. Better to just take him at face value when he writes, I have posted this material here only to clarify and correct some of the finer details of the unfoldment of Brahman I gave here last year. I am not interested in debating or discussing them particularly. They were simply some loose ends that had to be tied up. In other words, Rory posted with grace and dignity, something I'm not sure I can say about some of the posts that reacted to what he said. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Christians obsession with death
In a message dated 10/11/06 10:28:07 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So, I would say that Jesus was 'suffering' on the Thursday before the crucifixion, when he felt that'God had forsaken him'.According to the movie "The Last Temptation of Christ", Jesus said that line while on the cross... Yes, that was spoken on the cross when, according to Christian belief, Jesus had become sin incarnate and the Father could not even bare to look upon him anymore. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unfoldments of Brahman
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: snip Yeah, the pathology of the TMO in a nutshell. Have profound experiences (like the Absolute having a personality!) and you are attacked and driven into silence. How profound can the experiences be if the person having them is so bruised by a few negative comments that he feels he has to withdraw into silence? I take them at face value. Why would someone's reactions to negative comments somehow negate or diminish such experiences? How do we know said parties are bruised and are wimpy-wimps because they withdraw into silence. When someone characterizes your experience as sh*t why would anyone speak about them again? Sharing experiences is not a debate. The thing that astounds me is that some folks seem to feel that the personal experiences of others *have* to be responded to critically, or even negatively. Why? For me, for instance, I have *zero* instance in the sorts of things Rory was talking about; they don't map to my life at all. But I perceive that they are *his* experiences, that *he* considers them valuable, and that he is unafraid enough of the negative reaction that he *knows* by now he's going to get here to share them. That deserves a pat on the back and support from me, no matter how I feel about the content of what he's sharing. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unfoldments of Brahman
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Do these constitute the piling on you're referring to, Barry? I thought he was refering to the reaction over time here on FFL, when someone comes forward with direct experience, not this specific post by Rory. Bingo. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unfoldments of Brahman
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... Communicating with animals is one of my most cherished experiences, but I don't think I have the nerve to put it all on the line in the life and death potential of working with these animals. It was enough to be as close as I felt yesterday. It was a great day! My favorites at zoos are the wolves, hawks, and snakes. They will lock eyes with you and maintain the focus, pretty much until *you* look away. Most animals won't. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unfoldments of Brahman
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: But *why* do you react negatively? Consistently? Could it possibly be...uh...jealousy? Having done everything you've been told to do for over thirty years and never having experienced diddley-squat, while those who do what the fuck they want have lots of cool experiences? There's a lesson in there, if you were just intelligent enough to perceive it... So cool experiences is where it's at? Actually, for many of us, yes it is. I always liked one teacher's breakdown of the two types of spiritual seekers. One type is content to read about -- and be inspired by -- other people's experiences. The other type likes that, too, but it isn't enough for them. They want to have these experiences themselves, and if the tradition they're part of is not delivering them, after a suitable period of time, they move on to a tradition that *does* deliver. Haven't you ever considered the possibility that the TMO's We don't talk about our experiences stance was developed because people weren't having very *many* of them? That's not true in many other traditions. And interestingly enough, the traditions in which seekers never go a month (and rarely a week) without having some extraordinary experience almost never have any dogma that says, Don't talk about them. In fact, the structure of such organizations is such that it's considered a normal thing to talk freely about one's experiences. I'm suggesting that you would *not* have reacted negatively to a fellow seeker of enlightenment talking about his personal experiences of enlight- enment if you hadn't been *taught* to react that way. You were. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] No booze in my taxi
In a message dated 10/11/06 10:32:54 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why stop with alcohol? Muslim taxi drivers in several countries already balk at allowing seeing-eye dogs in their cars. Future demands could include not transporting women with exposed arms or hair, homosexuals, and unmarried couples. For that matter, they could ban men wearing kippas, as well as Hindus, atheists, bartenders, croupiers, astrologers, bankers, and quarterbacks. Giv'em an inch, they'll take a mile. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unfoldments of Brahman
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Do these constitute the piling on you're referring to, Barry? I thought he was refering to the reaction over time here on FFL, when someone comes forward with direct experience, not this specific post by Rory. Bingo. In fact, you were using the reaction to this specific post by Rory as an *example* of what you call piling on. Responding to new morning apologizing to Rory for his directness, you wrote: Again with the 'pile on' approach to anyone who dares to speak from his own experience, and isn't content to mouth the words of others... Except, of course, that there was no piling on (as I noted); and that the whole idea of piling on by TMers is something you invented to start with. And you went on to accuse me of joining this nonexistent piling on in response to Rory's post *when I hadn't said a word about it one way or the other*. Bingo. Barry's hallucinations are taking over. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unfoldments of Brahman
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: --- authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: snip Yeah, the pathology of the TMO in a nutshell. Have profound experiences (like the Absolute having a personality!) and you are attacked and driven into silence. How profound can the experiences be if the person having them is so bruised by a few negative comments that he feels he has to withdraw into silence? I take them at face value. Why would someone's reactions to negative comments somehow negate or diminish such experiences? How do we know said parties are bruised and are wimpy-wimps because they withdraw into silence. When someone characterizes your experience as sh*t why would anyone speak about them again? Sharing experiences is not a debate. The thing that astounds me is that some folks seem to feel that the personal experiences of others *have* to be responded to critically, or even negatively. Who here feels this, Barry? Why? For me, for instance, I have *zero* instance in the sorts of things Rory was talking about; they don't map to my life at all. Which was what the *single* negative reaction here was pointing out: Rory's experience did not map to the poster's own experience. But I perceive that they are *his* experiences, that *he* considers them valuable, and that he is unafraid enough of the negative reaction that he *knows* by now he's going to get here to share them. Given the paucity of negative reaction, I would certainly hope Rory was confident enough of the authenticity of his experiences that it wouldn't drive him away into silence. That deserves a pat on the back and support from me, no matter how I feel about the content of what he's sharing. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unfoldments of Brahman
I speak pretty good bird. I have good relationships with parrots and their posture, eye-contact based communications. I don't speak great canine so I doubt I could get into great rapport with wolves. I have heard that their language is very different from dogs, who are more group animals than pack animals without the strict hierarchy of wolf packs even in wild dog groups. As a kid I raised a squirrel monkey for about 7 years, and he had a very detailed system of eye contact to convey relationships. Every day he asked me with his eyes, are you sure you are in charge again today? It was a daily ritual to remind him. Anyone raising kids can probably relate! Looking into any animal's eyes is fascinating, especially when you begin to understand the rules of how they use eye contact. Catching a domestic cats eye and then blinking or looking away is such a powerful rapport technique. I got eye contact with a couple of the huge pythons, but it didn't seem like there was any communication except perhaps them wondering if they could get their unhinged jaws over my head! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: ... Communicating with animals is one of my most cherished experiences, but I don't think I have the nerve to put it all on the line in the life and death potential of working with these animals. It was enough to be as close as I felt yesterday. It was a great day! My favorites at zoos are the wolves, hawks, and snakes. They will lock eyes with you and maintain the focus, pretty much until *you* look away. Most animals won't. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] I'm a tortured soul
I can't get this ditty out of my head...where's it from? In 1814 he took a little trip Along with Colonel Jackson down the Mighty Mississip And then one day he was shooting at some food And out from the ground came a bubbling crude To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unfoldments of Brahman
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe his detailed description of his "awareness" and "state of consciousness" was a dramatic and imaginative way to describe the peak experiences that we all have, in or out of TM.I went to a private zoo yesterday in perfect pre-Fall weather. I had amazing experiences interacting with the big cats. In this zoo you can get really close and I was often alone with them, since it was a weekday. I got charged by a white tiger and a lion, one playful, and one seemed pretty serious, although she chilled out before she hit the fence. The experience of them locking onto my eyes and running towards me was such a peak experience for me. It made me feel alive in a sudden burst of clarity. The lion roared for me to make our relationship clear, and the sound was Rig Veda on steroids! She made her whole throat into a straight tube and it reverberated throughout the whole zoo. I got to speak to the mountain lion from very close, and he reacted like my own cats, displaying all the friendly face rubbing behaviors that I am familiar with. Such a beautiful animal. So much presence behind those eyes. They also had three 5 month old Bengal white tiger cubs, and watching them play/fight, honing their ambush and kill techniques made me laugh out loud many times. They were so full of playful menace. Each lighthearted game ended with one of them clamped down on the other's neck! I could never work with big cats myself, but I admire those who do. Communicating with animals is one of my most cherished experiences, but I don't think I have the nerve to put it all on the line in the life and death potential of working with these animals. It was enough to be as close as I felt yesterday. It was a great day!Each lighthearted game ended with one of them clamped down on the other's neck!They're training for a stint on Fairfield Life :-) JohnY __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: I'm a tortured soul
Beverly Hillbillies TV Show theme Come and listen to a story about a man named Jed A poor mountaineer, barely kept his family fed, Then one day he was shootin at some food, And up through the ground came a bubblin' crude. Oil that is, black gold, Texas tea. Well the first thing you know ol' Jed's a millionaire, Kinfolk said Jed move away from there Said Californy is the place you ought to be So they loaded up the truck and moved to Beverly. Hills, that is. Swimmin pools, movie stars. The Beverly Hillbillies! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't get this ditty out of my head...where's it from? In 1814 he took a little trip Along with Colonel Jackson down the Mighty Mississip And then one day he was shooting at some food And out from the ground came a bubbling crude To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unfoldments of Brahman
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I'm suggesting that you would *not* have reacted negatively to a fellow seeker of enlightenment talking about his personal experiences of enlight- enment if you hadn't been *taught* to react that way. You were. Hi, I never saw this as TMO dogma- I used to talk about all kinds of things to Movement people and was never told not to, or generated a negative reaction. As an unspoken rule in the Movement, I just didn't find any message not to talk about this stuff. Lots of mood making and fundamentalism though, which used to just drive me nuts... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unfoldments of Brahman
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff rorygoff@ wrote: Apologies for my directness, if you find such not pleasing. Again with the pile on approach to anyone who dares to speak from his own experience, and isn't content to mouth the words of others... Lessee now, by my count this pile on approach has yielded precisely three negative reactions: one from new morning speaking from *his* experience; one from Lawson questioning not Rory's experiences but his assertion that MMY is his Guru Dev; and one very brief, mildly flip comment from Curtis (who is no longer a TMer). Do these constitute the piling on you're referring to, Barry? I thought he was refering to the reaction over time here on FFL, when someone comes forward with direct experience, not this specific post by Rory. JohnY I personally see it as a case of where there is no longer thirst, there is no longer water. I don't understand your reference, Jim... must have my dense hat on... JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] I'm a tortured soul
In a message dated 10/11/06 11:21:22 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: can't get this ditty out of my head...where's it from?In 1814 he took a little tripAlong with Colonel Jackson down the Mighty MississipAnd then one day he was shooting at some foodAnd out from the ground came a bubbling crude Two things here. The first is the Battle of New Orleans and the second is from the Beverly Hillbillies. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tom Cruise Day in Japan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: snip Sadly, it's also unfair. Both Cruise and Brad Pitt don't get enough credit for their acting because of their good looks. I don't care much for Cruise, but I'm a huge Pitt fan. My favorite film of his is Meet Joe Black. It's very long and very slow and very talky, and you have to be *very* relaxed to sit through it. But he has some genuinely transcendent scenes that give me goose bumps. This comment explains much. If you found that film slow, you should watch some Japanese cinema sometime. It helps to develop patience and an appreciation for substance rather than flash. And now it's a movie review in which Barry finds the opportunity to deliver a putdown (and an off- target one to boot). Judy; is this relevant to FF. Or should you consider your activity on this forum ? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I'm a tortured soul
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't get this ditty out of my head...where's it from? In 1814 he took a little trip Along with Colonel Jackson down the Mighty Mississip And then one day he was shooting at some food And out from the ground came a bubbling crude The last part was used in the theme opening to the Beverly Hillbillies. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I'm a tortured soul
LOL, the last two lines are indeed the beverly hillbillies, as curtis points out. Different song and different tune fromt he first two! The first two lines are from The Battle of Newe Orleans, written by Jimmy Driftwood. I think it was a John Hartfod version that I first heard, way back in the day. Complete lyrics here http://www.galafilm.com/1812/e/people/songs_battleneworleans.html All praise to omniscient google, aka google dev. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't get this ditty out of my head...where's it from? In 1814 he took a little trip Along with Colonel Jackson down the Mighty Mississip And then one day he was shooting at some food And out from the ground came a bubbling crude To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unfoldments of Brahman
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In other words, Rory posted with grace and dignity, something I'm not sure I can say about some of the posts that reacted to what he said. NM: I am heartened that you appear to hold grace and dignity as a standard for FFL posts. We all do, I beleive. We all welcome you from your long estrangement on the dark side. Perhaps it is another sign of the effect of the Invincible America course. Your transition would make a great talking point example for John Hagelin. Turq: The thing that astounds me is that some folks seem to feel that the personal experiences of others *have* to be responded to critically, or even negatively. NM: That would be sad if true. Who do you feel has a compusion that they *HAVE* to respond to all experiences negatively? Perhaps we should take them out back and shoot them. However, occaisionally offering up an alternative view of experiences, and a questioning of terminology used, when a post is unclear, or experiences differ from ones own, is healthy. Do you feel otherwise? I have a long history of discussion of experiences with Rory. Taken as a whole, they clearly cannot be characterized negative and piling on. There was / has been a gradual transition in my approach to his discourses -- when I care to comment and raise questions (on a small minority of his posts) to call for clarification, and to bring out issues that his posts raise. My recent post, IMO, my intent, was not at all critical or negative of Rory's experience. I was pointing out two things. First, my experience differs from Rory's. I find that interesting, not a criticism, or *piling on* as you oddly seem to feel. It lends creedence to the hypothesis of many paths, many peaks -- a counter view to the embedded belief perenial philosophy view of many that everyone's experience is ultimately the same -- its only words that are different. I think the discussion of such, exaples of such is interesting, and perhaps even of value and merit. Sorry if you get angry or feel threatned if that hypothesis is raised. The second point of my post, another theme explored on FFL over the years, is that most of us come from a common tradition and vocabularly. A by product of that is that it can accelerate communications in that a word or phrase can be understood in a common way and used in a discussion without five paragraphs of explanation. That is not to say that this lexicon is better, more correct, etc than other lexicons. Its just that when some words are used in this forum, there is an assumption of a common understanding of how those words are being used. A point I tried to initiate about Rory's post is that he appears to be using a Rory lexicon IMO based on Theosophy or other mystical traditions, that differ from standard FFL lexicons. Again, neither is better or worse. But I feel that if one is using common FFL words in a different way, ouside of common understandings of the connotation, it is helpful, even incumbent upon the poster, to clarify their alternative meaning of words they use. Perhaps you disagree. Ok, but its a reasonable theme for discussion, IMO. Thus, my two underlying themes in my post, intended, and hopefully manifest in most readers minds, was that different folks may have different experiences, and they may use different lexicons. And when the later occurs, its helpful to make that explicit. If you find such themes *negative* or *piling on* perhaps that says more about you than Rory or myself. Turq: I have *zero* instance in the sorts of things Rory was talking about; they don't map to my life at all. NM: My experiences map partial with his map, and some not at all -- such as his partial Brahmans / Wholenesses. Thats a reasonable area for discussion, IMO Turq: But I perceive that they are *his* experiences, that *he* considers them valuable, NM: Sure. Turq and that he is unafraid enough of the negative reaction that he *knows* by now he's going to get here to share them. NM: Where was the negative reaction to his experience? ARe you recieving posts I am not? I assume rory is relatively cognitively balanced -- reads things as they are on the page -- and does not fly off-into knee-jerk reactions to things imagined to be on the page. Regardless, I also assume. from experience, that he is pretty thick skinned. And in the past, he has enjoyed alternative views on things. Why that would have changed, I don't know why. If he cares not ot discuss his posts fine. But that we should take his or anyone's posts as apostles, not to be questioned is, well, pretty cultish. I had pegged you as one who values open discussion. Perhaps that is not the case. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your
[FairfieldLife] Re: I'm a tortured soul
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't get this ditty out of my head...where's it from? In 1814 he took a little trip Along with Colonel Jackson down the Mighty Mississip And then one day he was shooting at some food And out from the ground came a bubbling crude It was an early 60's song. Battle of new Orelans. Same guy sang Sink the Bismark as i recall. Looking up Battle of New Orleans Ah, yes, it was Johnny Horton who sang it. Artist/Band: Classic Country Lyrics for Song: Battle of New Orleans - Johnny Horton Lyrics for Album: Classic Country: 1950-1964 In 1814 we took a little trip Along with Colonel Jackson down the mighty Mississip. We took a little bacon and we took a little beans And we caught the bloody British in the town of New Orleans. [Chorus:] We fired our guns and the British kept a'comin. There wasn't nigh as many as there was a while ago. We fired once more and they began to runnin' on Down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico. We looked down the river and we see'd the British come. And there must have been a hundred of'em beatin' on the drum. They stepped so high and they made the bugles ring. We stood by our cotton bales and didn't say a thing. [Chorus] Old Hickory said we could take 'em by surprise If we didn't fire our muskets 'til we looked 'em in the eye We held our fire 'til we see'd their faces well. Then we opened up with squirrel guns and really gave 'em ... well [Chorus] Yeah, they ran through the briars and they ran through the brambles And they ran through the bushes where a rabbit couldn't go. They ran so fast that the hounds couldn't catch 'em Down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico.** We fired our cannon 'til the barrel melted down. So we grabbed an alligator and we fought another round. We filled his head with cannon balls, and powdered his behind And when we touched the powder off, the gator lost his mind. [Chorus] Yeah, they ran through the briars and they ran through the brambles And they ran through the bushes where a rabbit couldn't go. They ran so fast that the hounds couldn't catch 'em Down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico.** To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unfoldments of Brahman
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I speak pretty good bird. I have good relationships with parrots and their posture, eye-contact based communications. I don't speak great canine so I doubt I could get into great rapport with wolves. I have heard that their language is very different from dogs, who are more group animals than pack animals without the strict hierarchy of wolf packs even in wild dog groups. As a kid I raised a squirrel monkey for about 7 years, and he had a very detailed system of eye contact to convey relationships. Every day he asked me with his eyes, are you sure you are in charge again today? It was a daily ritual to remind him. Anyone raising kids can probably relate! Looking into any animal's eyes is fascinating, especially when you begin to understand the rules of how they use eye contact. Catching a domestic cats eye and then blinking or looking away is such a powerful rapport technique. I got eye contact with a couple of the huge pythons, but it didn't seem like there was any communication except perhaps them wondering if they could get their unhinged jaws over my head! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: ... Communicating with animals is one of my most cherished experiences, but I don't think I have the nerve to put it all on the line in the life and death potential of working with these animals. It was enough to be as close as I felt yesterday. It was a great day! My favorites at zoos are the wolves, hawks, and snakes. They will lock eyes with you and maintain the focus, pretty much until *you* look away. Most animals won't. Hey zoo people! I am really enjoying this thread. I liked reading your big cat experiences Curtis- Those animals are a complete trip- especially that they are lightning quick and completely beautiful and yet sleep 18 hours a day. Amazing! I also dig all of the others. Speaking of hawks I was coming home last week and just as I pulled in my driveway, a very large hawk (wingspan 3.5 feet) was chasing a crow in and through the tree in the front yard. It was awesome! PS I always wanted to build a croc pond in my backyard, covered with a rebar cage, but doubt the city or neighbors would go for it... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I'm a tortured soul
What about the 1814 and Col. Jackson part? Perhaps I am mixing up my TV theme songs? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Beverly Hillbillies TV Show theme Come and listen to a story about a man named Jed A poor mountaineer, barely kept his family fed, Then one day he was shootin at some food, And up through the ground came a bubblin' crude. Oil that is, black gold, Texas tea. Well the first thing you know ol' Jed's a millionaire, Kinfolk said Jed move away from there Said Californy is the place you ought to be So they loaded up the truck and moved to Beverly. Hills, that is. Swimmin pools, movie stars. The Beverly Hillbillies! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: I can't get this ditty out of my head...where's it from? In 1814 he took a little trip Along with Colonel Jackson down the Mighty Mississip And then one day he was shooting at some food And out from the ground came a bubbling crude To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I'm a tortured soul
Forget about Brahman uniting mankind. Judging by the responses to this posting, it's TV that unites mankind! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: I can't get this ditty out of my head...where's it from? In 1814 he took a little trip Along with Colonel Jackson down the Mighty Mississip And then one day he was shooting at some food And out from the ground came a bubbling crude It was an early 60's song. Battle of new Orelans. Same guy sang Sink the Bismark as i recall. Looking up Battle of New Orleans Ah, yes, it was Johnny Horton who sang it. Artist/Band: Classic Country Lyrics for Song: Battle of New Orleans - Johnny Horton Lyrics for Album: Classic Country: 1950-1964 In 1814 we took a little trip Along with Colonel Jackson down the mighty Mississip. We took a little bacon and we took a little beans And we caught the bloody British in the town of New Orleans. [Chorus:] We fired our guns and the British kept a'comin. There wasn't nigh as many as there was a while ago. We fired once more and they began to runnin' on Down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico. We looked down the river and we see'd the British come. And there must have been a hundred of'em beatin' on the drum. They stepped so high and they made the bugles ring. We stood by our cotton bales and didn't say a thing. [Chorus] Old Hickory said we could take 'em by surprise If we didn't fire our muskets 'til we looked 'em in the eye We held our fire 'til we see'd their faces well. Then we opened up with squirrel guns and really gave 'em ... well [Chorus] Yeah, they ran through the briars and they ran through the brambles And they ran through the bushes where a rabbit couldn't go. They ran so fast that the hounds couldn't catch 'em Down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico.** We fired our cannon 'til the barrel melted down. So we grabbed an alligator and we fought another round. We filled his head with cannon balls, and powdered his behind And when we touched the powder off, the gator lost his mind. [Chorus] Yeah, they ran through the briars and they ran through the brambles And they ran through the bushes where a rabbit couldn't go. They ran so fast that the hounds couldn't catch 'em Down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico.** To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I'm a tortured soul
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 10/11/06 11:21:22 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: can't get this ditty out of my head...where'can't In 1814 he took a little trip Along with Colonel Jackson down the Mighty Mississip And then one day he was shooting at some food And out from the ground came a bubbling crude Two things here. The first is the Battle of New Orleans and the second is from the Beverly Hillbillies. Ah! Dilemma solved! I may rest in TV peace now! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Albright changes tires of Mid-East dictators
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 10/10/06 7:03:06 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So where's the ad showing Cheney shaking hands with Saddam? Better yet Kim Jong Il shaking hands with Donald Rumsfeld. Rumsfeld was on the board of the company that sold North Korea the equipment to process uranium. Um, Cheney never met Saddam, it was Rumsfeld . And dignitaries always shake hands when they meet, especially if you are on the other person's turf. I have no idea about Rumsfeld being on any board, of any company, that sold technological equipment to North Korea, but you need to ask yourself , who, in the government, approved the sale of that equipment and technology? http://www.guardian.co.uk/korea/article/0,2763,952289,00.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The greatness of Guru
I personally see it as a case of where there is no longer thirst, there is no longer water. Beautiful Jim ! Fulfillment. Peace. That man writing this; Maharishi being his Guru Dev was profound, and so obvious. For me it was like that from the first instance I saw Maharishis picture on a poster. Simple. His closeness to the almigthy. And in glimpses, Maharishi, my good karma and my tapas, has given me that. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unfoldments of Brahman
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: [snip] , and since Rory is my Guru Dev; he is my true I and knows me better than I know myself, I went into knee-jerk defensive mode. Truth is, I loved Rory, and I was with him when he died. Ain't gonna touch that one! Care to expand? Just me being silly. The second sentence is a reference to that nutbag who said he loved JonBenet Ramsey and was with her when she died. My sense of humor is a bit warped at times. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Christians obsession with death
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ wrote: True, even Socrates could be in that catagory also. But to get back to the point, that Maharishi was making about the suffering and stuff; I was thinking that true suffering is caused by the seperation from God, or Self... So, I would say that Jesus was 'suffering' on the Thursday before the crucifixion, when he felt that'God had forsaken him'. Also in some context I think Maharishi mentioned that the last words of Jesus on the cross indicated that he will be back ? Anyone knows the details ? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Did Bush Provoke North Korea?
Seems that Bush cut off funds to North Korea on September 23rd. http://msnbc.msn.com/id/15175633/site/newsweek/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did Bush Provoke North Korea?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seems that Bush cut off funds to North Korea on September 23rd. http://msnbc.msn.com/id/15175633/site/newsweek/ Nice find! Reminds me to keep peeking beneath the covers and not accept the spoon fed stories... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unfoldments of Brahman
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: [snip] , and since Rory is my Guru Dev; he is my true I and knows me better than I know myself, I went into knee-jerk defensive mode. Truth is, I loved Rory, and I was with him when he died. Ain't gonna touch that one! Care to expand? Just me being silly. The second sentence is a reference to that nutbag who said he loved JonBenet Ramsey and was with her when she died. My sense of humor is a bit warped at times. Well, I did think it sounded a bit weird, but I didn't want to pile on just in case it was one-a-them, you know, deep experiences... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unfoldments of Brahman
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff rorygoff@ wrote: Apologies for my directness, if you find such not pleasing. Again with the pile on approach to anyone who dares to speak from his own experience, and isn't content to mouth the words of others... Lessee now, by my count this pile on approach has yielded precisely three negative reactions: one from new morning speaking from *his* experience; one from Lawson questioning not Rory's experiences but his assertion that MMY is his Guru Dev; and one very brief, mildly flip comment from Curtis (who is no longer a TMer). Do these constitute the piling on you're referring to, Barry? I thought he was refering to the reaction over time here on FFL, when someone comes forward with direct experience, not this specific post by Rory. JohnY I personally see it as a case of where there is no longer thirst, there is no longer water. I don't understand your reference, Jim... must have my dense hat on... JohnY Lack of thirst is either due to not being thirsty, or not trusting the well. Either way there is no water to drink. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tom Cruise Day in Japan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Judy; is this relevant to FF. Or should you consider your activity on this forum ? From the FFL home page: Pretty much any topic is fair game. We have discussed spirituality, politics, economics, morality and higher states of consciousness, drug laws, evolution vs. creationism, enlightenment, advaita, reincarnation, karma, jyotish (Vedic astrology), yagya, ayurveda, dzogchen, tantra, channeling, vegetarianism, kundalini, Sthapatya-Veda, celibacy, sexuality, homosexuality, abortion, racism, UFOs, Buddhism, Hinduism, Veda, Christianity, Islam, Sufism, Judaism, Scientology, etc. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unfoldments of Brahman
PS I always wanted to build a croc pond in my backyard, covered with a rebar cage, but doubt the city or neighbors would go for it... Jim, If you do build a croc pond, you should do all your business negotiations sitting around it like a charactor in a James Bond movie. It would add the right vib to your offers, especially during feeding time! Nice hawk story. I dig crows, they are really intelligent. Usually they gang up on hawks so this one must have gotten one alone. Not so tough now biatch! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I speak pretty good bird. I have good relationships with parrots and their posture, eye-contact based communications. I don't speak great canine so I doubt I could get into great rapport with wolves. I have heard that their language is very different from dogs, who are more group animals than pack animals without the strict hierarchy of wolf packs even in wild dog groups. As a kid I raised a squirrel monkey for about 7 years, and he had a very detailed system of eye contact to convey relationships. Every day he asked me with his eyes, are you sure you are in charge again today? It was a daily ritual to remind him. Anyone raising kids can probably relate! Looking into any animal's eyes is fascinating, especially when you begin to understand the rules of how they use eye contact. Catching a domestic cats eye and then blinking or looking away is such a powerful rapport technique. I got eye contact with a couple of the huge pythons, but it didn't seem like there was any communication except perhaps them wondering if they could get their unhinged jaws over my head! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: ... Communicating with animals is one of my most cherished experiences, but I don't think I have the nerve to put it all on the line in the life and death potential of working with these animals. It was enough to be as close as I felt yesterday. It was a great day! My favorites at zoos are the wolves, hawks, and snakes. They will lock eyes with you and maintain the focus, pretty much until *you* look away. Most animals won't. Hey zoo people! I am really enjoying this thread. I liked reading your big cat experiences Curtis- Those animals are a complete trip- especially that they are lightning quick and completely beautiful and yet sleep 18 hours a day. Amazing! I also dig all of the others. Speaking of hawks I was coming home last week and just as I pulled in my driveway, a very large hawk (wingspan 3.5 feet) was chasing a crow in and through the tree in the front yard. It was awesome! PS I always wanted to build a croc pond in my backyard, covered with a rebar cage, but doubt the city or neighbors would go for it... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Christians obsession with death
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ wrote: True, even Socrates could be in that catagory also. But to get back to the point, that Maharishi was making about the suffering and stuff; I was thinking that true suffering is caused by the seperation from God, or Self... So, I would say that Jesus was 'suffering' on the Thursday before the crucifixion, when he felt that'God had forsaken him'. Also in some context I think Maharishi mentioned that the last words of Jesus on the cross indicated that he will be back ? Anyone knows the details ? That wasn't Maharishi; that was Martin Scorcese and the words were: It is accomplished. You're mistaking your pop icons. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Things that are Bush's fault
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seems that Bush cut off funds to North Korea on September 23rd. http://msnbc.msn.com/id/15175633/site/newsweek/ The Current North Korea Nuclear dilemma Global Warming The overcharging on my grocery bill yesterday Crabs Pedophilia The new Yahoo! Groups format Nablus To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The greatness of Guru
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I personally see it as a case of where there is no longer thirst, there is no longer water. Beautiful Jim ! Fulfillment. Peace. That man writing this; Maharishi being his Guru Dev was profound, and so obvious. For me it was like that from the first instance I saw Maharishis picture on a poster. Simple. His closeness to the almigthy. And in glimpses, Maharishi, my good karma and my tapas, has given me that. ...now all you have to do is work on your hate and intolerance... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: No booze in my taxi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 10/11/06 10:32:54 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why stop with alcohol? Muslim taxi drivers in several countries already balk at allowing seeing-eye dogs in their cars. Future demands could include not transporting women with exposed arms or hair, homosexuals, and unmarried couples. For that matter, they could ban men wearing kippas, as well as Hindus, atheists, bartenders, croupiers, astrologers, bankers, and quarterbacks. Giv'em an inch, they'll take a mile. This doesn't strike me as any different than Christian fundie pharmacists who refuse to fill certain prescriptions on religious grounds. My gut reaction is that if religious fanaticism makes you unable to fully perform your job, THEN YOU NEED TO GET A DIFFERENT JOB!!! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unfoldments of Brahman
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: [snip] , and since Rory is my Guru Dev; he is my true I and knows me better than I know myself, I went into knee-jerk defensive mode. Truth is, I loved Rory, and I was with him when he died. Ain't gonna touch that one! Care to expand? Just me being silly. The second sentence is a reference to that nutbag who said he loved JonBenet Ramsey and was with her when she died. My sense of humor is a bit warped at times. Well, I did think it sounded a bit weird, but I didn't want to pile on just in case it was one-a-them, you know, deep experiences... Darn, I thought it was Rory entering the 28th Nakshatra state of consciousness, the hidden one, beyond the 27 he has enumerated (but oddly seems reluctant to reveal this huge uncoveringor 27+Nakshatra States of Consciousness to his Guru Deva), and his Solar angels' Solar Angel's, Solar Angels -- sort of the parampara Solar Angel -- who was Rory -- was crucified on the cross of Pure Knowledge, as the 27 prior states exploded in his solar plexus, the fusion of all lower and higher states, in the form of an inverted golden polyhedron, with 108 dancing rudras around its axis, all while his head, which was a big Brahman, craddled in Alex's arms, a lesser Brahman, on the floor of Revelations -- (a particle of Brahman-- not yet realizing that) (Revelations -- literally and figuratively), while the devas wept. Like Judy, I didn't comment, not wanting to pile on -- and be seen by the wise and dignified like Turq, as questioning a heavy experience. Besides, I had that experience last year, its so passe. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Albright changes tires of Mid-East dictators
In a message dated 10/11/06 11:48:51 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Um, Cheney never met Saddam, it was Rumsfeld . And dignitaries always shake hands when they meet, especially if you are on the other person's turf. I have no idea about Rumsfeld being on any board, of any company, that sold technological equipment to North Korea, but you need to ask yourself , who, in the government, approved the sale of that equipment and technology? http://www.guardian.co.uk/korea/article/0,2763,952289,00.html Yeah, I read the story later, full of speculation and assumptions on Rummy's role if any. But the fact remained, Clinton authorized the sale of the Nuclear reactors to NK, not Rummy. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unfoldments of Brahman
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PS I always wanted to build a croc pond in my backyard, covered with a rebar cage, but doubt the city or neighbors would go for it... Jim, If you do build a croc pond, you should do all your business negotiations sitting around it like a charactor in a James Bond movie. It would add the right vib to your offers, especially during feeding time! Nice hawk story. I dig crows, they are really intelligent. Usually they gang up on hawks so this one must have gotten one alone. Not so tough now biatch! Ha-Ha! Good suggestion for the croc pond- I'm looking for the longhaired white cat and diamond pinkie ring as we speak... PS The crow escaped by flying low to the ground and near to the houses. I'm sure the hawk was having quite the wtf experience trying to catch prey in the suburbs, though I've seen him before and he looks a little chubby- plenty of pigeons and squirrels around here... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: No booze in my taxi
My gut reaction is that if religious fanaticism makes you unable to fully perform your job, THEN YOU NEED TO GET A DIFFERENT JOB!!! Word! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 10/11/06 10:32:54 A.M. Central Daylight Time, shempmcgurk@ writes: Why stop with alcohol? Muslim taxi drivers in several countries already balk at allowing seeing-eye dogs in their cars. Future demands could include not transporting women with exposed arms or hair, homosexuals, and unmarried couples. For that matter, they could ban men wearing kippas, as well as Hindus, atheists, bartenders, croupiers, astrologers, bankers, and quarterbacks. Giv'em an inch, they'll take a mile. This doesn't strike me as any different than Christian fundie pharmacists who refuse to fill certain prescriptions on religious grounds. My gut reaction is that if religious fanaticism makes you unable to fully perform your job, THEN YOU NEED TO GET A DIFFERENT JOB!!! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tom Cruise Day in Japan
--- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Judy; is this relevant to FF. Or should you consider your activity on this forum ? From the FFL home page: Pretty much any topic is fair game. We have discussed spirituality, politics, economics, morality and higher states of consciousness, drug laws, evolution vs. creationism, enlightenment, advaita, reincarnation, karma, jyotish (Vedic astrology), yagya, ayurveda, dzogchen, tantra, channeling, vegetarianism, kundalini, Sthapatya-Veda, celibacy, sexuality, homosexuality, abortion, racism, UFOs, Buddhism, Hinduism, Veda, Christianity, Islam, Sufism, Judaism, Scientology, etc. Judy, you forgot drunken sheep orgies and cheese eating contests. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: No booze in my taxi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 10/11/06 10:32:54 A.M. Central Daylight Time, shempmcgurk@ writes: Why stop with alcohol? Muslim taxi drivers in several countries already balk at allowing seeing-eye dogs in their cars. Future demands could include not transporting women with exposed arms or hair, homosexuals, and unmarried couples. For that matter, they could ban men wearing kippas, as well as Hindus, atheists, bartenders, croupiers, astrologers, bankers, and quarterbacks. Giv'em an inch, they'll take a mile. This doesn't strike me as any different than Christian fundie pharmacists who refuse to fill certain prescriptions on religious grounds. My gut reaction is that if religious fanaticism makes you unable to fully perform your job, THEN YOU NEED TO GET A DIFFERENT JOB!!! I say make all the Islamic taxi drivers pharmacists and all the Christian fundie pharmacists, taxi drivers. Problem solved. That'll be 5 million Ram please. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Christians obsession with death
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ wrote: True, even Socrates could be in that catagory also. But to get back to the point, that Maharishi was making about the suffering and stuff; I was thinking that true suffering is caused by the seperation from God, or Self... So, I would say that Jesus was 'suffering' on the Thursday before the crucifixion, when he felt that'God had forsaken him'. Also in some context I think Maharishi mentioned that the last words of Jesus on the cross indicated that he will be back ? Anyone knows the details ? That wasn't Maharishi; that was Martin Scorcese and the words were: It is accomplished. Acksually, dose was da biblical woids (depending on the translation). Mine has, Stick a fork in me... You're mistaking your pop icons. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unfoldments of Brahman
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: In other words, Rory posted with grace and dignity, something I'm not sure I can say about some of the posts that reacted to what he said. NM: I am heartened that you appear to hold grace and dignity as a standard for FFL posts. ROTFL! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unfoldments of Brahman
I'm sure the hawk was having quite the wtf experience trying to catch prey in the suburbs, though I've seen him before and he looks a little chubby- plenty of pigeons and squirrels around here... Not to mention an abundance of slow running RU kids! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: PS I always wanted to build a croc pond in my backyard, covered with a rebar cage, but doubt the city or neighbors would go for it... Jim, If you do build a croc pond, you should do all your business negotiations sitting around it like a charactor in a James Bond movie. It would add the right vib to your offers, especially during feeding time! Nice hawk story. I dig crows, they are really intelligent. Usually they gang up on hawks so this one must have gotten one alone. Not so tough now biatch! Ha-Ha! Good suggestion for the croc pond- I'm looking for the longhaired white cat and diamond pinkie ring as we speak... PS The crow escaped by flying low to the ground and near to the houses. I'm sure the hawk was having quite the wtf experience trying to catch prey in the suburbs, though I've seen him before and he looks a little chubby- plenty of pigeons and squirrels around here... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tom Cruise Day in Japan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ wrote: snip Judy; is this relevant to FF. Or should you consider your activity on this forum ? From the FFL home page: Pretty much any topic is fair game. We have discussed spirituality, politics, economics, morality and higher states of consciousness, drug laws, evolution vs. creationism, enlightenment, advaita, reincarnation, karma, jyotish (Vedic astrology), yagya, ayurveda, dzogchen, tantra, channeling, vegetarianism, kundalini, Sthapatya-Veda, celibacy, sexuality, homosexuality, abortion, racism, UFOs, Buddhism, Hinduism, Veda, Christianity, Islam, Sufism, Judaism, Scientology, etc. Judy, you forgot drunken sheep orgies and cheese eating contests. Better tell Rick, it's his list. But those are probably covered by the etc. (Why do the sheep have to be drunk?) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unfoldments of Brahman
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: [snip] , and since Rory is my Guru Dev; he is my true I and knows me better than I know myself, I went into knee-jerk defensive mode. Truth is, I loved Rory, and I was with him when he died. Ain't gonna touch that one! Care to expand? Just me being silly. The second sentence is a reference to that nutbag who said he loved JonBenet Ramsey and was with her when she died. My sense of humor is a bit warped at times. Well, I did think it sounded a bit weird, but I didn't want to pile on just in case it was one-a-them, you know, deep experiences... Darn, I thought it was Rory entering the 28th Nakshatra state of consciousness, the hidden one, beyond the 27 he has enumerated (but oddly seems reluctant to reveal this huge uncoveringor 27+Nakshatra States of Consciousness to his Guru Deva), and his Solar angels' Solar Angel's, Solar Angels -- sort of the parampara Solar Angel -- who was Rory -- was crucified on the cross of Pure Knowledge, as the 27 prior states exploded in his solar plexus, the fusion of all lower and higher states, in the form of an inverted golden polyhedron, with 108 dancing rudras around its axis, all while his head, which was a big Brahman, craddled in Alex's arms, a lesser Brahman, on the floor of Revelations -- (a particle of Brahman-- not yet realizing that) (Revelations -- literally and figuratively), while the devas wept. Like Judy, I didn't comment, not wanting to pile on -- and be seen by the wise and dignified like Turq, as questioning a heavy experience. Besides, I had that experience last year, its so passe. I kinda thought so too, for reasons very close to what you just described, except I don't know why you say Darn, and I'm not sure about the devas weeping. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tom Cruise Day in Japan
Judy, you forgot drunken sheep orgies and cheese eating contests. For the sake of clarity, so I will not commit a faux paux next time, do I get drunk or do I get my sheep date drunk at these events? If the latter please advise on the formula for meadow-grass margaritas. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ wrote: snip Judy; is this relevant to FF. Or should you consider your activity on this forum ? From the FFL home page: Pretty much any topic is fair game. We have discussed spirituality, politics, economics, morality and higher states of consciousness, drug laws, evolution vs. creationism, enlightenment, advaita, reincarnation, karma, jyotish (Vedic astrology), yagya, ayurveda, dzogchen, tantra, channeling, vegetarianism, kundalini, Sthapatya-Veda, celibacy, sexuality, homosexuality, abortion, racism, UFOs, Buddhism, Hinduism, Veda, Christianity, Islam, Sufism, Judaism, Scientology, etc. Judy, you forgot drunken sheep orgies and cheese eating contests. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Albright changes tires of Mid-East dictators
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 10/11/06 11:48:51 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Um, Cheney never met Saddam, it was Rumsfeld . And dignitaries always shake hands when they meet, especially if you are on the other person's turf. I have no idea about Rumsfeld being on any board, of any company, that sold technological equipment to North Korea, but you need to ask yourself , who, in the government, approved the sale of that equipment and technology? _http://www.guardianhttp://www.guhttp://wwwhttp://www.ghttp://_ (http://www.guardian.co.uk/korea/article/0,2763,952289,00.html) Yeah, I read the story later, full of speculation and assumptions on Rummy's role if any. But the fact remained, Clinton authorized the sale of the Nuclear reactors to NK, not Rummy. And no one in their right mind (no pun intended) could've foreseen just a few years later that North Korea would be branded as part of an Axis of Evil- Really, really stupid of Bush- He needs to be asking some questions when Cheney feeds him his dog food. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tom Cruise Day in Japan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ wrote: snip Judy; is this relevant to FF. Or should you consider your activity on this forum ? From the FFL home page: Pretty much any topic is fair game. We have discussed spirituality, politics, economics, morality and higher states of consciousness, drug laws, evolution vs. creationism, enlightenment, advaita, reincarnation, karma, jyotish (Vedic astrology), yagya, ayurveda, dzogchen, tantra, channeling, vegetarianism, kundalini, Sthapatya-Veda, celibacy, sexuality, homosexuality, abortion, racism, UFOs, Buddhism, Hinduism, Veda, Christianity, Islam, Sufism, Judaism, Scientology, etc. Perhaps there is another TM forum where Nablus would feel more at home where they only discuss TM things. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Things that are Bush's fault
shempmcgurk wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seems that Bush cut off funds to North Korea on September 23rd. http://msnbc.msn.com/id/15175633/site/newsweek/ The Current North Korea Nuclear dilemma Global Warming The overcharging on my grocery bill yesterday Crabs Pedophilia The new Yahoo! Groups format Nablus plus Shemp and MDixon's wacky posts. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Perhaps it would be best if...
This is my favourite TM-Cult phrase. It is used by TM leaders to get you to do unpopular things and will always preceed commands, suggestions, subtle hints and, of course, threats. When you hear it coming, you know what's going to follow ain't going to be pleasant! Perhaps it would be best if... ...you didn't got into town on your walk and talks. ...you didn't read books by other masters. ...you moved from your room with a working toilet and shower and moved into a room without either. ...if you didn't go on this course afterall even though you have quit your job, sold your house and divorced your wife in order to do so. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Did Bush Provoke North Korea?
jim_flanegin wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seems that Bush cut off funds to North Korea on September 23rd. http://msnbc.msn.com/id/15175633/site/newsweek/ Nice find! Reminds me to keep peeking beneath the covers and not accept the spoon fed stories... The interesting thing it is not in the US Newsweek. Hmm, wonder why? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Christians obsession with death
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ wrote: True, even Socrates could be in that catagory also. But to get back to the point, that Maharishi was making about the suffering and stuff; I was thinking that true suffering is caused by the seperation from God, or Self... So, I would say that Jesus was 'suffering' on the Thursday before the crucifixion, when he felt that'God had forsaken him'. Also in some context I think Maharishi mentioned that the last words of Jesus on the cross indicated that he will be back ? Anyone knows the details ? That wasn't Maharishi; that was Martin Scorcese and the words were: It is accomplished. Acksually, dose was da biblical woids (depending on the translation). Mine has, Stick a fork in me... I am a product of my multi-media culture. If I have a choice between quoting the Bible and Scorcese, I'll choose the latter. You're mistaking your pop icons. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Levitation without the sutra
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Albright changes tires of Mid-East dictators
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 10/11/06 11:48:51 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Um, Cheney never met Saddam, it was Rumsfeld . And dignitaries always shake hands when they meet, especially if you are on the other person's turf. I have no idea about Rumsfeld being on any board, of any company, that sold technological equipment to North Korea, but you need to ask yourself , who, in the government, approved the sale of that equipment and technology? _http://www.guardianhttp://www.guhttp://wwwhttp://www.ghttp://_ (http://www.guardian.co.uk/korea/article/0,2763,952289,00.html) Yeah, I read the story later, full of speculation and assumptions on Rummy's role if any. But the fact remained, Clinton authorized the sale of the Nuclear reactors to NK, not Rummy. There you go again Mason, blaming Clinton for everything. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
