[FairfieldLife] Re: The TMers Pledge
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, coshlnx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ---I don't see where bashing comes in. It's more like an evaluation and conclusion(s) based on the available facts, when it comes to The Mahareeshee. But Bevan, Hagelin, and the Rajas are fair game for bashing. Let the games begin!. If the TM movement *really* wanted to raise millions of dollars for its projects, all it would have to do is set up booths in Fairfield where Bevan and Hagelin and the Rajas would allow themselves to be bashed *physically* with big foam bats, or have pies (or, being Iowa, cow-pies) thrown at them, or whatever. They'd be over the top on their fundraising goals in no time. :-) In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willytex@ wrote: Curtis wrote: What exactly is your beef with ex-teachers? That they like to bash the Marshy? That helps a bit, thanks. Funny I always assumed your were goofing on him by calling him Marshy. A marsh is kind of a murky place. Does your concept of bashing him include treating him like a flawed human like you and me? When I say that I believe he is mistaken about human consciousness, is that bashing? I am trying to find out where you are drawing your lines. I assume that any discussion about women claiming to have banged him would be bashing, or at the very least mashing.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The TMers Pledge
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, The Secret [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wgm4u@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willytex@ wrote: It is my fortune, Guru Dev, that I have been accepted to serve the Holy Tradition and spread the Light of God to all those who need it. It is my joy to undertake the responsibility of representing the Holy Tradition in all its purity as it has been given to me by Maharishi and I promise on your altar, Guru Dev, that with all my heart and mind I will always work within the framework of the Organisations founded by Maharishi. And to you, Maharishi, I promise that as a Meditation Guide I will be faithful in all ways to the trust that you have placed in me. Notes for readers: Here is the TMers pledge that all graduates of TM Teacher Training are required to sign before becoming TM teachers. Source: We weren't required to sign anything in Fuiggi; though Jerry did administer a *verbal* pledge which we agreed to. And thank you for not disclosing it to us. Court (public) records are one thing but disclosing something you did in confidence doesn't prove you're an honorable person. I disagree completely. What you are doing here is repeating a meme that was implanted by MMY and by the TM movement to protect its unique secrets (which aren't really secret, or unique) and to protect its leaders when they fuck up and lie. What you say above is the argument *against* whistleblowers. Those who want to prevent the whistle being blown on them have *always* tried to portray the whistleblowers as somehow dishon- orable. They aren't.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Let's lighten things up a bit
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, The Secret [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Dune books gave me permission to have many wonderful experiences. The first book in particular clicked with me. I was shocked to read a synopsis a few weeks ago stating that this was the land of the Ved and then when I yanked up the movie, it was deja vu all over again when I saw that the book became a David Lynch Movie. Is it possible that The Voice and the sayings and doings of the Bene Gesserit were based on NLP? Not just possible, verified. Frank Herbert and many other SciFi writers of that era were aware of and interested in such techniques. I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain. --- Frank Herbert, Dune - Bene Gesserit Litany Against Fear
[FairfieldLife] Re: Let's lighten things up a bit
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, The Secret L.Shaddai@ wrote: The Dune books gave me permission to have many wonderful experiences. The first book in particular clicked with me. I was shocked to read a synopsis a few weeks ago stating that this was the land of the Ved and then when I yanked up the movie, it was deja vu all over again when I saw that the book became a David Lynch Movie. Is it possible that The Voice and the sayings and doings of the Bene Gesserit were based on NLP? Not just possible, verified. Frank Herbert and many other SciFi writers of that era were aware of and interested in such techniques. Just to clarify, NLP is a bit of a johnny-come- lately psychological theory, based on and extrapolated from earlier work by Milton Erickson, Fritz Perls, and others. While they might not have known about NLP per se, Herbert and many other SciFi writers were heavily influenced by the work of Count Korzybski: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Korzybski
[FairfieldLife] Ha Ha......Canada saves the World.
Ha ha ha ... Curtis gets it. Judy gets it Lurk gets it Ruth gets it Rick gets it Cardemeister, ol' Rudra jo, and many others get it. ...even Angela and Dr. Pete (from another country or dimension) gets it. ... but Turqfor sure.. ...and maybe Vaj??? .JUST DON'T GET IT. Ha Ha Ha...Canada just saved the world. Put your hands up now if you get this !??? Put your name here if you think that Canada just SAVED THE WORLD. State your case... 2 Videos. 10,000 times pwonage by OffWorld http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmG4X9PGOXs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmG4X9PGOXs OffWorld ...pwner of the Cosmos. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ha ha .Curtis gets it. ...and Judy gets it. And THAT my friends is the beauty of the co-exisetence of opposites that MMY talked about in his description of Enlightenment. Talk about 'pwned'...yes folks, that is spelled pwned Only person that doesn't get it?.Turq. Let you'all now analyze ..why Turq doesn't get it? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmG4X9PGOXs OffWorld --- pwner of the Cosmos.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The TMers Pledge
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Curtis wrote: What exactly is your beef with ex-teachers? That they like to bash the Marshy? That they are unable to keep a promise ?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ha Ha......Canada saves the World.
Speaking of getting it, I think I'm beginning to get something here. Help me out and let me know if I'm onto something, eh? On another forum, we're dealing with a guy who posts under four or five different aliases. Before posting using *any* of them, he seems to toke up on his bong. That's the only thing we can come up with to explain *what* he posts, anyway. Which alias he chooses to do his bong rap seems to depend on how many hits of the bong he partook of before posting. So we've started to rate the different aliases. The alias he calls 'me' is four bong hits; the one he calls 'oceanseal' is definitely five bong hits, etc. So, with this in mind, I'm wondering: 1. Whether off_world_beings is just another alias of this same guy, posting both here and on the other forum? 2. What the bong rating is for off_world_beings? The first question is tough to answer for sure, but if Off *isn't* one of the disordered multiple personalities of this other guy, he's definitely a kinda bong brother. As for the bong rating, I'm gonna give this post a three-hit rating. Scattered, nonsensical, lost in some private world, so it rates more than two hits. But it's a really BORING private world, so it doesn't make it up into the four-hit and five-hit ratings class. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ha ha ha ... Curtis gets it. Judy gets it Lurk gets it Ruth gets it Rick gets it Cardemeister, ol' Rudra jo, and many others get it. ...even Angela and Dr. Pete (from another country or dimension) gets it. ... but Turqfor sure.. ...and maybe Vaj??? .JUST DON'T GET IT. Ha Ha Ha...Canada just saved the world. Put your hands up now if you get this !??? Put your name here if you think that Canada just SAVED THE WORLD. State your case... 2 Videos. 10,000 times pwonage by OffWorld http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmG4X9PGOXs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmG4X9PGOXs OffWorld ...pwner of the Cosmos. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: Ha ha .Curtis gets it. ...and Judy gets it. And THAT my friends is the beauty of the co-exisetence of opposites that MMY talked about in his description of Enlightenment. Talk about 'pwned'...yes folks, that is spelled pwned Only person that doesn't get it?.Turq. Let you'all now analyze ..why Turq doesn't get it? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmG4X9PGOXs OffWorld --- pwner of the Cosmos.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS on the Ego
--- lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting video. Talks about Realization via the expansion of the ego to include everything and also the contraction of the ego to the point of nothingness. http://tinyurl.com/21q98h http://tinyurl.com/21q98h This is strange. This may be the first video I have seen of SSRS. It is eerie to me to see such a likeness of MMY. I don't mean this negatively. Many people I respect are into his teaching. But the simiarity of speech, mannerisms, and appearance evoke an odd feeling in me. This is just hitting too damn close to home. I had the exact same reaction when I saw a SSRS tape almost 20 years ago. In fact I was even mad because I thought he was just a phony imitating MMY. I don't notice the similarity any more, but SSRS did spent over 10 years in constant contact with MMY from age 12 until about 26 or 27. Their personalities are quite different, but that intense Being radiating from them is exactly the same. \ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
[FairfieldLife] The view from up here
According to Shankara, scriptural knowledge of the Vedas (vidya) concerning the nature of the Being vis a vis the conditioned state, can bring one to a state of liberation (moksha) that is, freedom from suffering. Note: This page has been uploaded for easy reading: http://www.rwilliams.us/view/ However, in this day and age hardly anyone can read and understand the Sanskrit scriptures and there are only a few teachers for the millions of individuals. That being so, the only way that people can reach enlightenment in this age of ignorance is to sit down and relax, trust in your own karma and pursue the path of karma yoga, doing good deeds in this life through fruitive actions without attachment to the fruits of those actions. Or, one can accept the religious life serving the Lord (Ishvara). Or, one can adopt the attitude of the skeptic, doubting everything. Or become a nihilist, believeing that nothing can be known; not an option. There is very little that we can actually know through our intellect or senses. Most of our knowledge comes through hearing, seeing, or observing, and feeling and we accept these as a valid means of knowledge. Based on sense perception and verbal testimony we observe that the material world exhibits change and growth through change. Based on these observations we note a certain order in creation and we *infer* that there must be an intelligent agent. After all, it is a fact that something does not come out of nothing; only a creation based on intelligence would exhibit an orderly pattern of growth and dissolution repeated over time. According to Vasubandhu, the famous Vajrayana logician and the founder of the Conciousness Only (Yogacara) school in India, we can never know the transcendental state through the intellect (buddhi). This essentially agrees with Immanuel Kant who wrote a Critique on Pure Reason in the nineteenth century. For Vasubandhu, Conciousness itself is the Ultimate Reality; but conciousness itself is not composed of things-in-themeselves or discreet elements such as individual soul monads (jivas), or physical matter that is created once in time and then born about and replicated by an outside force or power. There is a reason things happen the way they do; events are caused based on the law of action-reaction. There are no chance events. But, there is a more fundamental question that we must ask ourselves before we can inquire about a valid means of knowledge and the nature of Reality. The question is: are we free or bound? If free, there is no need for scriptures or spiritual teachers. But, if we *are* bound, by what *means* are we to free ourselves? The emphasis inour life should be on the *means* to gain freedom and not the why of our bondage. In a famous simile, the Buddha noted that when an individual is impaled by an arrow, we don't normaly enquire as to the nature of the angle of the arrow's penetration, its speed upon entry, or from whence direction it came, or the name, family, and occupation of the shooter, or if the arrow was constructed of wood, bamboo, plastic or metal: we just call a physician and have the offending object removed. According to Shakya the Muni, this life is marked by suffering, (samsara). Kapila and Patanjali agree with this. Based on this mark, the historical Buddha formulated an Eightfold Path leading to liberation from the round of becoming. In ancient India this was called Yoga, that is, imortality and freedom, and was developed as a way to free oneself from suffering, not by the grace of a Creator God or through the machinations of a demi-urge, but by the sheer efforts of the individual based on his or her own willpower. The idea that man can liberate himself through his own initiative (yoga) is the great contribution of the sages of Mother India. Yoga Philosophy does not agreee with the idea of fate or predestination, rather it is based on volition, action (karma), and the principle that if one person can achieve freedom, then so can another: man is the measure of man. We do not *know* that there is a state of liberation, based on our own individual reason, logic, or on our intellect (buddhi). But, we can observe and conclude such by noticing the actions, or not, of others and by following their instructions. But, in the final analysis, only when *you yourself* have observed and acted, and found such to be true, will you ever truly know whether P.C. transcends the various sheaths (koshas) or not. In this sense, you can know if your teacher is enlightened only if he can show you the way for *you* to reach your own enlightenment. Read more: Reflections on the Transcendent: http://www.rwilliams.us/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The TMers Pledge
Blake's opinion too, as I said in another post, Turq, but someone corrected me
and said, not necessarily. Seems to me the guru worthy of name understands
this and builds in some sort of failsafe. But it's one of those questions that
can be discussed forever. Are religions necessary? If so, what are the
dangers? What are the benefits?
- Original Message
From: TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 1:40:19 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The TMers Pledge
--- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, The Secret [EMAIL
PROTECTED] .. wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, curtisdeltablues
curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
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You
are mixing up the story teachers told meditators and what we believed
ourselves.
Can you kindly understand that the meditators were adult men and women
who detected Ervig Goffman Presentation of Self in Everyday Life
differences between front stage and back stage in spades and didn't
quite appreciate it? The expansion of this theme is fathers and
mothers, grandfathers and grandmothers still being treated as children
once they enter Campus. Then again, perhaps recertified Governors are
also still treated as though they were children and some of them don't
appreciate it.
*Everyone* in the TM movement is treated as a
child. It's been that way since Day One, with
only one Daddy in sight.
*No one* is allowed to grow up and have an
opinion on life, the universe, and how every-
thing works that is as valid and as right as
Maharishi's. No one. To pretend otherwise is
to deny the obvious reality of the situation.
And if you think I'm wrong, just try spouting
off in public about your private theory of X
that deviates from Maharishi's theory of X and
see how long you last.
Judging from what has happened in other spiritual
movements when their leader died, the definitions
of what is right and what is wrong will become
even *more* concrete and *more* enforced with the
passing of Maharishi. People who consider them-
selves the leaders of the movement will compile
catechism-like books of Maharishi's quotes that
seem to support the rules they'd like to impose
on everyone the same way they impose them on them-
selves, and they'll develop hit squads whose job
it is to enforce them, primarily through official
inclusion in the group vs. exclusion. Those who
follow the rules are allowed to stay; those who
deviate are out, toast, no longer a part of things.
As far as I can tell, there has never been a spir-
itual movement in history that became less funda-
mentalist when its leader passed away. They've all
become *more* fundamentalist, at least for a few
decades or centuries. And I expect the same to be
true of the TM movement as well.
In other words, those who hope here for a gentler,
kinder TMO just haven't looked at the lessons of
history and learned from them.
IMO, of course.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Bill Clinton's presidential years - Maharishi Effect? choke
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This just proves what a crappy president he was! I'm so glad Bush and his administration came in and straightened everything out over the last 8 years. Thank God! Literally, according to Bush himself: I believe that God wants me to be president. :-) --- do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: During the Clinton presidency... * Average economic growth of 4.0 percent per year, compared to average growth of 2.8 percent during the previous years. The economy grew for 116 consecutive months, the most in history.[29] * Creation of more than 22.5 million jobsthe most jobs ever created under a single administration, and more than were created in the previous 12 years. Of the total new jobs, 20.7 million, or 92 percent, were in the private sector.[30] * Economic gains spurred an increase in family incomes for all Americans. Since 1993, real median family income increased by $6,338, from $42,612 in 1993 to $48,950 in 1999 (in 1999 dollars).[31] * Overall unemployment dropped to the lowest level in more than 30 years, down from 6.9 percent in 1993 to just 4.0 percent in January 2001. The unemployment rate was below 5 percent for 40 consecutive months. Unemployment for African Americans fell from 14.2 percent in 1992 to 7.3 percent in 2000, the lowest rate on record. Unemployment for Hispanics fell from 11.8 percent in October 1992 to 5.0 percent in 2000, also the lowest rate on record.[30] * Inflation dropped to its lowest rate since the Kennedy Administration, averaging 2.5 percent, and fell from 4.7 percent during the previous administration.[32] * The homeownership rate reached 67.7 percent near the end of the Clinton administration, the highest rate on record. In contrast, the homeownership rate fell from 65.6 percent in the first quarter of 1981 to 63.7 percent in the first quarter of 1993.[33] * The poverty rate also declined from 15.1 percent in 1993 to 11.8 percent in 1999, the largest six-year drop in poverty in nearly 30 years. This left 7 million fewer people in poverty than there were in 1993.[34] * The surplus in fiscal year 2000 was $237 billionthe third consecutive surplus and the largest surplus ever.[33] * Clinton worked with the Republican-led Congress to enact welfare reform. As a result, welfare rolls dropped dramatically and were the lowest since 1969. Between January 1993 and September of 1999, the number of welfare recipients dropped by 7.5 million (a 53 percent decline) to 6.6 million. In comparison, between 1981-1992, the number of welfare recipients increased by 2.5 million (a 22 percent increase) to 13.6 million people.[35] Documented here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidency_of_Bill_Clinton To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bill Clinton's presidential years - Maharishi Effect? choke
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This just proves what a crappy president he was! I'm so glad Bush and his administration came in and straightened everything out over the last 8 years. Thank God! lol! --- do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: During the Clinton presidency... * Average economic growth of 4.0 percent per year, compared to average growth of 2.8 percent during the previous years. The economy grew for 116 consecutive months, the most in history.[29] * Creation of more than 22.5 million jobsthe most jobs ever created under a single administration, and more than were created in the previous 12 years. Of the total new jobs, 20.7 million, or 92 percent, were in the private sector.[30] * Economic gains spurred an increase in family incomes for all Americans. Since 1993, real median family income increased by $6,338, from $42,612 in 1993 to $48,950 in 1999 (in 1999 dollars).[31] * Overall unemployment dropped to the lowest level in more than 30 years, down from 6.9 percent in 1993 to just 4.0 percent in January 2001. The unemployment rate was below 5 percent for 40 consecutive months. Unemployment for African Americans fell from 14.2 percent in 1992 to 7.3 percent in 2000, the lowest rate on record. Unemployment for Hispanics fell from 11.8 percent in October 1992 to 5.0 percent in 2000, also the lowest rate on record.[30] * Inflation dropped to its lowest rate since the Kennedy Administration, averaging 2.5 percent, and fell from 4.7 percent during the previous administration.[32] * The homeownership rate reached 67.7 percent near the end of the Clinton administration, the highest rate on record. In contrast, the homeownership rate fell from 65.6 percent in the first quarter of 1981 to 63.7 percent in the first quarter of 1993.[33] * The poverty rate also declined from 15.1 percent in 1993 to 11.8 percent in 1999, the largest six-year drop in poverty in nearly 30 years. This left 7 million fewer people in poverty than there were in 1993.[34] * The surplus in fiscal year 2000 was $237 billionthe third consecutive surplus and the largest surplus ever.[33] * Clinton worked with the Republican-led Congress to enact welfare reform. As a result, welfare rolls dropped dramatically and were the lowest since 1969. Between January 1993 and September of 1999, the number of welfare recipients dropped by 7.5 million (a 53 percent decline) to 6.6 million. In comparison, between 1981-1992, the number of welfare recipients increased by 2.5 million (a 22 percent increase) to 13.6 million people.[35] Documented here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidency_of_Bill_Clinton To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: [FairfieldLife] Bill Clinton's presidential years - Maharishi Effect? choke
This just proves what a crappy president he was! I'm so glad Bush and his administration came in and straightened everything out over the last 8 years. Thank God! --- do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: During the Clinton presidency... * Average economic growth of 4.0 percent per year, compared to average growth of 2.8 percent during the previous years. The economy grew for 116 consecutive months, the most in history.[29] * Creation of more than 22.5 million jobsthe most jobs ever created under a single administration, and more than were created in the previous 12 years. Of the total new jobs, 20.7 million, or 92 percent, were in the private sector.[30] * Economic gains spurred an increase in family incomes for all Americans. Since 1993, real median family income increased by $6,338, from $42,612 in 1993 to $48,950 in 1999 (in 1999 dollars).[31] * Overall unemployment dropped to the lowest level in more than 30 years, down from 6.9 percent in 1993 to just 4.0 percent in January 2001. The unemployment rate was below 5 percent for 40 consecutive months. Unemployment for African Americans fell from 14.2 percent in 1992 to 7.3 percent in 2000, the lowest rate on record. Unemployment for Hispanics fell from 11.8 percent in October 1992 to 5.0 percent in 2000, also the lowest rate on record.[30] * Inflation dropped to its lowest rate since the Kennedy Administration, averaging 2.5 percent, and fell from 4.7 percent during the previous administration.[32] * The homeownership rate reached 67.7 percent near the end of the Clinton administration, the highest rate on record. In contrast, the homeownership rate fell from 65.6 percent in the first quarter of 1981 to 63.7 percent in the first quarter of 1993.[33] * The poverty rate also declined from 15.1 percent in 1993 to 11.8 percent in 1999, the largest six-year drop in poverty in nearly 30 years. This left 7 million fewer people in poverty than there were in 1993.[34] * The surplus in fiscal year 2000 was $237 billionthe third consecutive surplus and the largest surplus ever.[33] * Clinton worked with the Republican-led Congress to enact welfare reform. As a result, welfare rolls dropped dramatically and were the lowest since 1969. Between January 1993 and September of 1999, the number of welfare recipients dropped by 7.5 million (a 53 percent decline) to 6.6 million. In comparison, between 1981-1992, the number of welfare recipients increased by 2.5 million (a 22 percent increase) to 13.6 million people.[35] Documented here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidency_of_Bill_Clinton To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
[FairfieldLife] Bill Clinton's presidential years - Maharishi Effect? choke
During the Clinton presidency... * Average economic growth of 4.0 percent per year, compared to average growth of 2.8 percent during the previous years. The economy grew for 116 consecutive months, the most in history.[29] * Creation of more than 22.5 million jobsthe most jobs ever created under a single administration, and more than were created in the previous 12 years. Of the total new jobs, 20.7 million, or 92 percent, were in the private sector.[30] * Economic gains spurred an increase in family incomes for all Americans. Since 1993, real median family income increased by $6,338, from $42,612 in 1993 to $48,950 in 1999 (in 1999 dollars).[31] * Overall unemployment dropped to the lowest level in more than 30 years, down from 6.9 percent in 1993 to just 4.0 percent in January 2001. The unemployment rate was below 5 percent for 40 consecutive months. Unemployment for African Americans fell from 14.2 percent in 1992 to 7.3 percent in 2000, the lowest rate on record. Unemployment for Hispanics fell from 11.8 percent in October 1992 to 5.0 percent in 2000, also the lowest rate on record.[30] * Inflation dropped to its lowest rate since the Kennedy Administration, averaging 2.5 percent, and fell from 4.7 percent during the previous administration.[32] * The homeownership rate reached 67.7 percent near the end of the Clinton administration, the highest rate on record. In contrast, the homeownership rate fell from 65.6 percent in the first quarter of 1981 to 63.7 percent in the first quarter of 1993.[33] * The poverty rate also declined from 15.1 percent in 1993 to 11.8 percent in 1999, the largest six-year drop in poverty in nearly 30 years. This left 7 million fewer people in poverty than there were in 1993.[34] * The surplus in fiscal year 2000 was $237 billionthe third consecutive surplus and the largest surplus ever.[33] * Clinton worked with the Republican-led Congress to enact welfare reform. As a result, welfare rolls dropped dramatically and were the lowest since 1969. Between January 1993 and September of 1999, the number of welfare recipients dropped by 7.5 million (a 53 percent decline) to 6.6 million. In comparison, between 1981-1992, the number of welfare recipients increased by 2.5 million (a 22 percent increase) to 13.6 million people.[35] Documented here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidency_of_Bill_Clinton
[FairfieldLife] Re: The view from up here
The view from up here Curtis wrote: Up where? Looking north from Radiance TM Village to Barsana Dham, one of the largest Hindu temples outside India? On a clear day I can see all the way to Barsana Dham, Curtis. http://www.rwilliams.us/view/ Note to new readers: Richard J. Williamns lives up on a hill.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Regular Guy Attitude.
This guy nails it; top of the bell curve. Excellent, Off.W., thanks. ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Regular Guy Attitude http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PsnxDQvQpwfeature=related OffWorld
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 911 into the fray again I go (of the assailing on FFL)
Try to remember that you sound really scared is not a logical argument or
statement worthy of repeating.
Are we looking for the truth or are we only interested in defending our own
point of view?
If we are looking for the truth, then alternative points of view have to be
considered with more willingness of suspension of disbelief on all sides.
- Original Message
From: Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 11:49:56 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 911 into the fray again I go (of the assailing on
FFL)
Ruth wrote:
People cannot accept that a few terrorists could cause
such a disaster of such proportion in the United States.
Bharat2 wrote:
Don't forget that the official version is also a conspiracy
theory and admitted to be so by its authors.
And don't forget that your entire political philosophy is based
on a 'vast right-wing conspiracy' against Bharat2! You sound
really scared.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: 911 into the fray again I go (of the assailing on FFL)
Ruth wrote: People cannot accept that a few terrorists could cause such a disaster of such proportion in the United States. Bharat2 wrote: Don't forget that the official version is also a conspiracy theory and admitted to be so by its authors. And don't forget that your entire political philosophy is based on a 'vast right-wing conspiracy' against Bharat2! You sound really scared.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 911 into the fray again I go (of the assailing on FFL)
That is one way to tell the story.
- Original Message
From: TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 1:30:50 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 911 into the fray again I go (of the assailing on
FFL)
--- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, ruthsimplicity
ruthsimplicity@ ... wrote:
So, you can have relatively normal people believing extraordinary
things. That is what fascinates me. Of course, you get paranoid
people with paranoid theories, that is to be expected. But normal
people with odd ideas is really interesting.
Another way of looking at it is that there are
no normal people, only really odd people who
have so far been good at projecting an air of
normality. They suss out the common denominator
beliefs of the consensus reality they live in and
pretend to be those things. But it's just an act.
Scratch the surface and you find that every so-
called normal person in the environment is a
seething mass of weird beliefs just waiting for
an opportunity to come out.
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[FairfieldLife] Questionnaire for Promoting Peace Justice
Questionnaire for Promoting Peace Justice I'm sending this to a number of forums and can't read replies on all forums, so please reply to my email or forum in the 3rd sentence. These questions are meant to help our new group, Work4PJ, get into gear promoting world PJ effectively. Please answer the following questions and send your answers to LKINDR@ yahoo.com or to http://www.yahoogroups.com/group/Work4PJ http://www.yahoogroups.com/group/Work4PJ . Thank you Good Day. Lloyd . 1. Is majority rule abusive of minorities? . . 2. Can abusive methods achieve world peace and justice? . . 3. Would the Iraq War have been likely if Congress used unanimous rule? . . 4. Can small groups reach unanimous decisions? . . 5. Do minority voters feel alienated in groups using majority rule? . . 6. Have you experienced unanimous rule in a group of friends or family? . . 7. Have you experienced it in a religious group? . . 8. Have you experienced it in a political group? . . 9. Have you experienced it at all? . . 10. If not, would you like to experience it? . . 11. Do you know of efficient ways to use unanimous rule? . . 12. Have you heard of Sociocracy or Integrative Decision Making? [see http://www.freewebs.com/lin4/bettermeetings.htm ] . . 13. Have you tried it? . . 14. If not, would you like to try it? . . 15. Should unanimous rule be tried as a way to achieve world peace justice? . . 16. Do you know of groups that use unanimous rule? . . 17. Did you know the Christian Bible promotes peace and unanimous rule? . . 18. Should conservative Christians be informed of this, so they will stop promoting war? . . 19. Would you like to help promote peace via unanimous rule? . . 20. If so, would you like to promote unanimous rule on the internet or to one or more local groups? . .
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!
Billy wrote: It appears MMY will be going to the grave without revealing where the mantras came from, how they were formulated and if there is any traditional lineage, aka a Parampara... Billy - They all come from Guru Dev and the Sri Vidya sect of Karnataka. Swami Brahmanand Saraswati was a Dasanami of the Saraswati parampara, which is headquarters at Sringeri. The TM mantras are inscribed on the Sri Yantra installed at Sringeri by the Adi Shankaracharya. All the Saraswati Swamis are tantrics who worship the Tripuransundari and belong to the Sri Vidya sect. The Srividya, because it consists of indestructible seed syllables (bijaksara) rather than words, transcends such mundane considerations as semantic meaning. A bija-only is not only esoteric but inherently superior (95). Work cited: Auspicious Wisdom The texts and traditions of Srividya Sakta Tantricism in South India. by Douglas Renfro Brooks SUNY 1992 Read more: Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental From: Willytex Date: Wed, Mar 3 2004 11:06 am Subject: Guru Dev's Parampara http://tinyurl.com/2hlmh4 Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental From: Willytex Date: Fri, Sep 16 2005 12:56 pm Subject: Everyday Teachings of Sri Guru DevJi http://tinyurl.com/yqd3go Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental From: Willytex Date: Mon, Sep 5 2005 10:40 pm Subject: The Sri Yantra at Sringeri http://tinyurl.com/2dguxm
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!
--No problem. I will be able to squeeze the info out of Jerry J. in due time. Not right now though. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It appears MMY will be going to the grave without revealing where the mantras came from, how they were formulated and if there is any traditional lineage, aka a Parampara (see below). Without this central knowledge we must assume TM, as taught, is something MMY thought up on his own, which is OK, (why doesn't he just spit it out???) but hardly qualifies as a tradition, apparently the tradition of TM has been lost, if not...where's the beef, the lineage, what did Guru Dev practice? Did he give TM to MMY? This should be part of the written record BEFORE MMY passes! :-( P.S. To me it is unconscionable to leave this central fact unknown!! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parampara
[FairfieldLife] Re: The view from up here
http://www.rwilliams.us/view/ Vaj wrote: Where's the bridge? Downtown, going across the river?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi's secret!
The true lineage of MMY are the self-realized ones who blossom into the fullness of Brahman. Whether they become guru's in their own right or not is irrelevant. By the way, the only fully realized being that MMY made that can function as a guru is SSRS. Tony is some sort of a cosmic joke. --- BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It appears MMY will be going to the grave without revealing where the mantras came from, how they were formulated and if there is any traditional lineage, aka a Parampara (see below). Without this central knowledge we must assume TM, as taught, is something MMY thought up on his own, which is OK, (why doesn't he just spit it out???) but hardly qualifies as a tradition, apparently the tradition of TM has been lost, if not...where's the beef, the lineage, what did Guru Dev practice? Did he give TM to MMY? This should be part of the written record BEFORE MMY passes! :-( P.S. To me it is unconscionable to leave this central fact unknown!! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parampara To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
[FairfieldLife] Re: The TMers Pledge
Richard J. Williams wrote: That some bowed down and recited an oath and some signed a pledge, collected money for instruction, and then, after thirty years, went on the internet to spread rumors about their guru's private sex life, and denied their own complicity, and bashed the Marshy when he got to be over ninety years old and they felt they didn't need him anymore? Edg: And what of Mararishi's oath to us? You know, that promise all of us thought was made by him to be pure, honest, whole, wise, loving, expansive, simple, scientific, scholarly, traditional, ancient, and enlightened? He broke his promises, all of them to some degree, to us long, long, decades ago, when money became the TMO's bottom line. I vote that we all write letters to Maharishi to make Richard an honorary party hat guy. Oh, wait, it seems Richard already thoroughly thinks that that has already happened. Richard, does ya wear the crown proudly in yer jammys? Edg
Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi's secret!
On Jan 18, 2008, at 3:54 PM, BillyG. wrote: It appears MMY will be going to the grave without revealing where the mantras came from, how they were formulated and if there is any traditional lineage, aka a Parampara (see below). Without this central knowledge we must assume TM, as taught, is something MMY thought up on his own, which is OK, (why doesn't he just spit it out???) but hardly qualifies as a tradition, apparently the tradition of TM has been lost, if not...where's the beef, the lineage, what did Guru Dev practice? Did he give TM to MMY? This should be part of the written record BEFORE MMY passes! :-( P.S. To me it is unconscionable to leave this central fact unknown!! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parampara Interesting thought train. I've always wondered the same thing. My urge to leave TM affiliations was to go and find the answers they weren't telling: with the Shankaracharya Order and various saints and pundits. And you get the answers--they're out there, for everyone. But I've come to trust only those teachers who are completely transparent with the where's and why's. I have been pleased what I've found in that arena. My root teacher, when he always taught, he would usually start off a friday evening. The teaching might go for just a weekend, sometimes a week or two. But the first night he always told us the story about where the teaching originated, how he came to it and then other lineage anecdotes and teaching stories sprinkled throughout. After that, it'd be hard to accept less. I certainly expect they do, in fact, come from the Holy Shankaracharya Order, which often used tantric approaches towards and leading up to the Advaita Vedanta View. They are not from the Ved as many have been lead to believe. They are part and parcel of the indigenous religion of Bharat (India). I did find the place where Guru Dev sent sadhaks to learn samaya Shri Vidya, and this is likely the source of the TM mantras IMO. If you're a savvy pilgrim and can find your way around Bengal, I'm sure a discerning person would find it. The principles of this style of mantra-sadhana were outlined in a huge work, called Japa-sutram, which was published just before M. started teaching. The parallels are remarkable--though written in the 50's it talks of seed, sprout and tree, often uses the language of physics and give the parallels between the YS, tantra-shasta/mantra-shastra and Rig-veda! It's like the seed-text of TM...at least the closest I've found. The mantras of TM are especially important in a tantric approach to the Advaita View because they show different aspects of that View from the POV of the Cosmic Personalities of the devatas they represent. Japa-sutra explains all this stuff, in exhaustive detail for those interested in this science (vidya).
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!
The lineage is Raam Nader, who can fully interpret Maharishi's teachings, we are told. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It appears MMY will be going to the grave without revealing where the mantras came from, how they were formulated and if there is any traditional lineage, aka a Parampara (see below). Without this central knowledge we must assume TM, as taught, is something MMY thought up on his own, which is OK, (why doesn't he just spit it out???) but hardly qualifies as a tradition, apparently the tradition of TM has been lost, if not...where's the beef, the lineage, what did Guru Dev practice? Did he give TM to MMY? This should be part of the written record BEFORE MMY passes! :-( P.S. To me it is unconscionable to leave this central fact unknown!! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parampara
[FairfieldLife] Into absolute silence
So there we are at a Chinese buffet whispering at a big round table in the other room what gone into absolute silence means. It's pretty obvious to us, we think, but the more devout men ask what will happen to those people for whom he was their alpha and omega when this becomes clearer. We decide that the machinery is in place and I'm told about the late dinner in a tailer of bacon and eggs last night and I find that a riot. I take it back. Don't bother visiting cnn.com , usatoday.com , bbc.com .
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Billy wrote: It appears MMY will be going to the grave without revealing where the mantras came from, how they were formulated and if there is any traditional lineage, aka a Parampara... Billy - They all come from Guru Dev and the Sri Vidya sect of Karnataka. Swami Brahmanand Saraswati was a Dasanami of the Saraswati parampara, which is headquarters at Sringeri. The TM mantras are inscribed on the Sri Yantra installed at Sringeri by the Adi Shankaracharya. All the Saraswati Swamis are tantrics who worship the Tripuransundari and belong to the Sri Vidya sect. The Srividya, because it consists of indestructible seed syllables (bijaksara) rather than words, transcends such mundane considerations as semantic meaning. A bija-only is not only esoteric but inherently superior (95). Work cited: Auspicious Wisdom The texts and traditions of Srividya Sakta Tantricism in South India. by Douglas Renfro Brooks SUNY 1992 Read more: Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental From: Willytex Date: Wed, Mar 3 2004 11:06 am Subject: Guru Dev's Parampara http://tinyurl.com/2hlmh4 Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental From: Willytex Date: Fri, Sep 16 2005 12:56 pm Subject: Everyday Teachings of Sri Guru DevJi http://tinyurl.com/yqd3go Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental From: Willytex Date: Mon, Sep 5 2005 10:40 pm Subject: The Sri Yantra at Sringeri http://tinyurl.com/2dguxm That's a very astute analysis, but, is that what MMY says? I would like to hear it from him! and put in the record for posterity! You see, we will be second guessing MMY until the cows come home...and longer!!
[FairfieldLife] Suggestings on handling utter dissolution?
I started to shake and then while shaking entered utter dissolution. I got all of us to our destination safely. I don't know if I experienced a step back or forward. I also don't quite get how I could feel totally dissolved and yet describe the experience to the men as I drove. The dissolution doesn't seemed to have disappeared. It feels like the dissolution is always there and I just don't place my attention on it. It appears that there's a flip flop between being aware of the dissolution and feeling and seeing infinite love and I'm infinite and everything is infinite and no matter where I look I see people, animals and things but simultaneously see myself looking back at me. Frankly I prefer the infinite love thing a lot more than just the infinite thing.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 18, 2008, at 3:54 PM, BillyG. wrote: It appears MMY will be going to the grave without revealing where the mantras came from, how they were formulated and if there is any traditional lineage, aka a Parampara (see below). Without this central knowledge we must assume TM, as taught, is something MMY thought up on his own, which is OK, (why doesn't he just spit it out???) but hardly qualifies as a tradition, apparently the tradition of TM has been lost, if not...where's the beef, the lineage, what did Guru Dev practice? Did he give TM to MMY? This should be part of the written record BEFORE MMY passes! :-( P.S. To me it is unconscionable to leave this central fact unknown!! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parampara Interesting thought train. I've always wondered the same thing. My urge to leave TM affiliations was to go and find the answers they weren't telling: with the Shankaracharya Order and various saints and pundits. And you get the answers--they're out there, for everyone. But I've come to trust only those teachers who are completely transparent with the where's and why's. I have been pleased what I've found in that arena. My root teacher, when he always taught, he would usually start off a friday evening. The teaching might go for just a weekend, sometimes a week or two. But the first night he always told us the story about where the teaching originated, how he came to it and then other lineage anecdotes and teaching stories sprinkled throughout. After that, it'd be hard to accept less. I certainly expect they do, in fact, come from the Holy Shankaracharya Order, which often used tantric approaches towards and leading up to the Advaita Vedanta View. They are not from the Ved as many have been lead to believe. They are part and parcel of the indigenous religion of Bharat (India). I did find the place where Guru Dev sent sadhaks to learn samaya Shri Vidya, and this is likely the source of the TM mantras IMO. If you're a savvy pilgrim and can find your way around Bengal, I'm sure a discerning person would find it. The principles of this style of mantra-sadhana were outlined in a huge work, called Japa-sutram, which was published just before M. started teaching. The parallels are remarkable--though written in the 50's it talks of seed, sprout and tree, often uses the language of physics and give the parallels between the YS, tantra-shasta/mantra-shastra and Rig-veda! It's like the seed-text of TM...at least the closest I've found. The mantras of TM are especially important in a tantric approach to the Advaita View because they show different aspects of that View from the POV of the Cosmic Personalities of the devatas they represent. Japa-sutra explains all this stuff, in exhaustive detail for those interested in this science (vidya). Nicely put!!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: matrix wrote: Or, did MMY receive the TM technique as from SBS. Marshy got the mantras from Guru Dev. This was confirmed by Swami Prakashanand Saraswati and by Swami Swaroopanand Saraswati, two direct disciples of Guru Dev. That sounds pretty solid to me, how come MMY doesn't say so? What's the problem? Let's set the record straight!!
[FairfieldLife] Re: The view from up here
Curtis wrote: Angela gets two points for putting her finger on the problem with her question. What, exactly, is the problem? The view from up here http://www.rwilliams.us/view/ More views here: http://www.rwilliams.us/quest/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!
matrix wrote: Or, did MMY receive the TM technique as from SBS. Marshy got the mantras from Guru Dev. This was confirmed by Swami Prakashanand Saraswati and by Swami Swaroopanand Saraswati, two direct disciples of Guru Dev. Billy wrote: It appears MMY will be going to the grave without revealing where the mantras came from, how they were formulated and if there is any traditional lineage, aka a Parampara... Billy - They all come from Guru Dev and the Sri Vidya sect of Karnataka. Swami Brahmanand Saraswati was a Dasanami of the Saraswati parampara, which is headquarters at Sringeri. The TM mantras are inscribed on the Sri Yantra installed at Sringeri by the Adi Shankaracharya. All the Saraswati Swamis are tantrics who worship the Tripuransundari and belong to the Sri Vidya sect. The Srividya, because it consists of indestructible seed syllables (bijaksara) rather than words, transcends such mundane considerations as semantic meaning. A bija-only is not only esoteric but inherently superior (95). Work cited: Auspicious Wisdom The texts and traditions of Srividya Sakta Tantricism in South India. by Douglas Renfro Brooks SUNY 1992 Read more: Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental From: Willytex Date: Wed, Mar 3 2004 11:06 am Subject: Guru Dev's Parampara http://tinyurl.com/2hlmh4 Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental From: Willytex Date: Fri, Sep 16 2005 12:56 pm Subject: Everyday Teachings of Sri Guru DevJi http://tinyurl.com/yqd3go Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental From: Willytex Date: Mon, Sep 5 2005 10:40 pm Subject: The Sri Yantra at Sringeri http://tinyurl.com/2dguxm
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!
Richard J. Williams wrote: Billy wrote: It appears MMY will be going to the grave without revealing where the mantras came from, how they were formulated and if there is any traditional lineage, aka a Parampara... Billy - They all come from Guru Dev and the Sri Vidya sect of Karnataka. Swami Brahmanand Saraswati was a Dasanami of the Saraswati parampara, which is headquarters at Sringeri. The TM mantras are inscribed on the Sri Yantra installed at Sringeri by the Adi Shankaracharya. All the Saraswati Swamis are tantrics who worship the Tripuransundari and belong to the Sri Vidya sect. As well as a lot of other yantras. Fortunately most people here including Billy don't take you as a reliable source.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Attila the Hun
If my posts are really annoying folks here, I'll knock it off. No sense being a nuisance Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 18, 2008, at 5:36 PM, Ben Gilberti wrote: Each shade of life has to be lived, and each taste of it has to be tasted. Live all of life, don't deny anything, don't call anything a sin, don't resist anything, simply accept whatever happens, allow it to happen, accepting all that life gives you, and accepting it in deep humility, as a gift. Whatsoever the case is in this moment, you accept it. That's what loving God means. That's what Practicing the Presence of God means. To know that in every moment, God is all you can meet, because God is all there is But what if I'm not sure that God is all there is? Well, contemplative meditation can reveal it to you. That's one way. Another way, which combines well with meditation, is to listen to the following two hour lectures, one at a time, in sequence. You don't have to listen to all nine of them. When you're sure God is all there is (and you'll know it when you are), then you're done, and so then you don't have to listen to any more down on the list. However many lessons it takes, whether few or many, it'll be well worth it. Just click on them. You can listen right off the computer, or you can download the recordings. Relax, take it easy, and enjoy them. Ben, just out of curiosity, will there be a pop quiz on this material later on? Sal - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Attila the Hun
On Jan 18, 2008, at 5:36 PM, Ben Gilberti wrote: Each shade of life has to be lived, and each taste of it has to be tasted. Live all of life, don't deny anything, don't call anything a sin, don't resist anything, simply accept whatever happens, allow it to happen, accepting all that life gives you, and accepting it in deep humility, as a gift. Whatsoever the case is in this moment, you accept it. That's what loving God means. That's what Practicing the Presence of God means. To know that in every moment, God is all you can meet, because God is all there is But what if I'm not sure that God is all there is? Well, contemplative meditation can reveal it to you. That's one way. Another way, which combines well with meditation, is to listen to the following two hour lectures, one at a time, in sequence. You don't have to listen to all nine of them. When you're sure God is all there is (and you'll know it when you are), then you're done, and so then you don't have to listen to any more down on the list. However many lessons it takes, whether few or many, it'll be well worth it. Just click on them. You can listen right off the computer, or you can download the recordings. Relax, take it easy, and enjoy them. Ben, just out of curiosity, will there be a pop quiz on this material later on? Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Attila the Hun
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ben Gilberti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If my posts are really annoying folks here, I'll knock it off. No sense being a nuisance You lost me at spiritual certainty. I can't think of anything I am less interested in than the combination of these two concepts. But I read your post and checked out your site. Most people who post here are not really seeking in a way that would make your pitch appealing IMO. If you want to speak as a peer, with perhaps a tad less certainty, I would be happy to read about your experiences. But being preached to about how things really are is probably not gunna earn you too many readers here. I could be wrong, I often am. Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 18, 2008, at 5:36 PM, Ben Gilberti wrote: Each shade of life has to be lived, and each taste of it has to be tasted. Live all of life, don't deny anything, don't call anything a sin, don't resist anything, simply accept whatever happens, allow it to happen, accepting all that life gives you, and accepting it in deep humility, as a gift. Whatsoever the case is in this moment, you accept it. That's what loving God means. That's what Practicing the Presence of God means. To know that in every moment, God is all you can meet, because God is all there is But what if I'm not sure that God is all there is? Well, contemplative meditation can reveal it to you. That's one way. Another way, which combines well with meditation, is to listen to the following two hour lectures, one at a time, in sequence. You don't have to listen to all nine of them. When you're sure God is all there is (and you'll know it when you are), then you're done, and so then you don't have to listen to any more down on the list. However many lessons it takes, whether few or many, it'll be well worth it. Just click on them. You can listen right off the computer, or you can download the recordings. Relax, take it easy, and enjoy them. Ben, just out of curiosity, will there be a pop quiz on this material later on? Sal - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Attila the Hun
On Jan 18, 2008, at 8:26 PM, Ben Gilberti wrote: If my posts are really annoying folks here, I'll knock it off. No sense being a nuisance I was just making a joke, Ben. Really, don't leave because of that. Your essays are beautifully written, I just don't have the time to really dive into them. But I'm sure you'll get some much better comments from others who do. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Attila the Hun
Hi folks. I hope you like this. I worked my silly butt off refining it for 12 hours last night, obsessive nut that I am. When it gets offensive, don't be offended. I mean no harm, but sometimes I just can't resist mortifying the stupid ego. Somehow I've gotten the nickname Gentle Ben and I guess it fits most often. But the ego thinks I'm Attila the Hun http://ancienthistory.about.com/cs/attilathehun/a/attilathehun.htm . Ok, here's the problem. Everyone seems to think God is all there is is a Truth that needs to be put to work to fix or correct all the bad stuff in life.That's pretty silly, and I'll show you why. God is all there is isn't merely a true idea. It is what is actually true. Already. And never has been otherwise. Ever. Anywhere. So there's nothing to fix or correct. If God is all there is, then there's nothing else but God. So what the hell needs to be fixed or corrected? That's why it's so silly to be always busy fixing and correcting everything. Oh, but you say there are erroneous beliefs that project illusory appearances and that's what we have to work our tails off to correct. Well then I guess God isn't all there is after all then. Because evidently there is something else besides God. There's all these erroneous beliefs and their illusory appearances. So you are going to apply what you say is the truth that God is all there is to get rid of all this stuff that wouldn't be there if God really were all there is. The very problem to which you're applying truth is your own blatant denial of the truth you're applying. See how silly that is? Look, God doesn't become all there is after you heroically and vigilantly evict all erroneous beliefs from consciousness, which of course would then make God deeply indebted to you for the huge favor. God already is all there is, always was, always will be, can't be otherwise, and never has been otherwise, period.Prove it to yourself. The next time you feel sadness, welcome it as God instead of as something less than or other than God, and that sadness will become a divine caress. And that will happen with everything, not just sadness. It's so simple. Arguing about this will get nowhere. You have to do it and experience it. That's the only way.Just welcome everything as God because that's all there is. Saying no to all the stuff you think God isn't clearly denies God's allness. And what's most incredible is that all your terribly important activity saying no to and fixing and correcting stuff in clear denial of God's allness, you proudly and self-righteously do in the name of God's allness. Proudly denying God's allness in the name of God's allness. Now what could be more stupid than that? Is that insulting? Well look, everything about the ego is totally stupid, and so the stupid thing has to be insulted as being stupid because that's what the stupid thing is -- stupid. Sure it's insulting to call something stupid. But what choice do you have if that's what the stupid thing is. On the bright side, no one continues to be stupid once they see it. God is all there is. Saying no to all kinds of stuff because you think it's not God, is pretending God isn't all there is, and that's stupid. The more clearly you see how stupid that is, the less likely will you continue to do it.Look, since God is all there is, there is never any legitimate occasion to say no to anything. So simply say yes to everything. Accept and welcome everything. You can't go wrong because God is all there is. Simply say yes. No disappears from your very being. Does light say no to darkness? When there is no no, there's no more struggle, Fear and aggression turns into dilation and merge. The boundaries disappear. No creates the boundary. No is the boundary around you. Whenever you say no, something closes in. Whenever you say yes, your being opens. When you accept everything, then everything falls in line, everything takes its own place. Then without trying to cut anything out of your experience, your whole experience rearranges itself. If you accept and say yes, a rearrangement happens, and a harmony comes in. Each shade of life has to be lived, and each taste of it has to be tasted. Live all of life, don't deny anything, don't call anything a sin, don't resist anything, simply accept whatever happens, allow it to happen, accepting all that life gives you, and accepting it in deep humility, as a gift. Whatsoever the case is in this moment, you accept it. That's what loving God means. That's what Practicing the Presence of God means. To know that in every moment, God is all you can meet, because God is all there is But what if I'm not sure that God is all there is? Well, contemplative meditation can reveal it to you. That's one way. Another way, which combines well with meditation, is to listen to the following two hour lectures, one at a time, in sequence. You don't have to listen to all nine of
[FairfieldLife] Re: Which MASS MURDERER will you vote for? (Bill Clinton's presidential years)
Edg, You know I love you like a brother, but this rant kinda reminds me of Dr. Bonner's rant on the liquid soap. Not that it's not important, or valid, but I wonder if you're just writing it for your own benefit at this point. I admire the fact that there seems to be diminution in the energy needed to write page after page of essentially the same message. Or maybe I just don't have the attention span to read it time after time. I certainly have no solution to solving these problems other than trying to have a positive effect in my limited sphere of influence. And of course voting. -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Clinton fiddled while Africa burned. He's Nero not hero. Whatever gains that the people seem to get during any president's leadership are bought with BLOOD MONEY -- give the masses a little, and then take a lot of their lives, wealth, and future wealth, and while doing it, brainwash their children to be sure that this abuse will continue. Kucinich on his first day as president will be scrambling to stop killing in the name of America, but even he will have to suffer children being killed for oil on his watch. Clinton and every president before him was oblivious to where their presidential powers could do the most good and obsessed where their powers could be increased. The world is run by MURDERERS who wrap themselves in a flag, who arm themselves with a religious dogma, who take the best and deepest hopes of decent, hardworking, long suffering common folks and leverage these hopes into boondoggles, pork barrels and windfalls for themselves while the people fade closer and closer to a perfectly un-empowered slavery. Give me a president who makes the whole of the military into a peace corps. Here's a sampling of what presidents do with the power we give to them -- they become MASS MURDERERS. http://tinyurl.com/2blb3d -- War mongers advice top Democrat candidates. http://tinyurl.com/2hqstd -- President Ford supports the killing of 1/3 of the people of East Timor. http://tinyurl.com/ysndtl -- President Reagan was behind the MASS MURDERING of 200,000. Who can be calm about this? Every single one of us was raised by our parents and schools and society in general to be kind and understanding and for the greater good of civilization -- every single one of us was educated about the horrors of the Nazi death camps. Every single one of us was brainwashed to stand up and be counted in the face of genocidal murderers. In fact, we are told that we are as guilty as the actual killers if we take an order from a murderous leader to kill, because such an order would be an axiomatic sin against humanity/nature that stains a soul forever. If you ask the common person on the street what they'd do if they found out that a mile away from their home was a camp which was gassing and burning Americans, the common response would be that they'd do something about it in short order, and any cop or politician or leader of any sort that suggested that they should turn a blind eye would be considered equally guilty abettors of death. What would you do if you had just such a challenge, if you could smell the smoke of carnage in your neighborhood, could see the mothers and children entering the camps by the truckload? Don't answer, I already know that you'd be raising a rabble to storm those gates of hell. Yet, within the next year, all of us are expected to approve and honor the next mass murderer who has enough money to buy the media to delude the people, and then call it sacred democracy at work. What do you call it when two wolves and a lamb decide what to have for dinner? Answer: democracy. What we want is a republic that addresses the concerns of all the people by supporting the basic core morals of antiquity -- not a mob-blood-lust-psychology-rules-all society. 10,000 - 30,000 children WILL DIE from lack of water TODAY -- MERE WATER -- and no one reads a thing in the headlines except about a mere two children of a ego maniac millionaire who shows her pussy to the paparazzi. WAKE UP WAKE UP WAKE UP -- we are applauding now and future Kings of Death. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: During the Clinton presidency... * Average economic growth of 4.0 percent per year, compared to average growth of 2.8 percent during the previous years. The economy grew for 116 consecutive months, the most in history.[29] * Creation of more than 22.5 million jobsthe most jobs ever created under a single administration, and more than were created in the previous 12 years. Of the total new jobs, 20.7 million, or 92 percent, were in the private sector.[30] * Economic gains spurred an increase in family incomes for all Americans. Since 1993, real median family income increased by $6,338, from $42,612 in 1993 to $48,950 in 1999 (in
RE: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi's secret!
\ From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of BillyG. Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 2:54 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi's secret! It appears MMY will be going to the grave without revealing where the mantras came from, how they were formulated and if there is any traditional lineage, aka a Parampara (see below). What do you mean where the mantras came from? They’re standard bija mantras. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.7/1232 - Release Date: 1/18/2008 7:32 PM
[FairfieldLife] Padmasambhava's statement
Note: forwarded message attached. - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.---BeginMessage--- Title: Snow Lion Publications Newsletter Dharma Quote of the Week From "The Prayer Requested by Namke Nyingbo" by Padmasambhava All these things of the outer environment and the beings therein That come into sight as the objects of your eyes like this, They may appear, but leave them in the sphere free from clinging to a self. Since they are pure of perceiver and perceived, they are the luminous-empty body of the deity. I pray to the guru in whom attachment is self-liberated, I pray to Padmasambhava from Uddiyana. All these sounds, taken as pleasant or unpleasant, That resound as the objects of your ears like this, Leave them in the sphere of inconceivable, empty resonance. Empty resonance, unborn and unceasing, is the Victor's speech. I pray to the words of the Victor that resound and yet are empty, I pray to Padmasambhava from Uddiyana. However these thoughts of afflictions' five poisons, Which stir as objects in your mind like this, may appear, Do not mess around with them through a mind that rushes ahead into the future or lingers in the past. Through leaving their movement in its own place, they uncoil as the dharmakaya. I pray to the guru whose awareness is self-liberated, I pray to Padmasambhava from Uddiyana. Grant your blessings that the mind stream of someone like me is liberated Through the compassion of the Tathagatas of the three times, So that objects, appearing as if perceived outside, become pure, That my very mind, perceiving as if inside, becomes liberated, And that, in between, luminosity will recognize its own face. --from Straight from the Heart: Buddhist Pith Instructions translated and introduced by Karl Brunnholzl, published by Snow Lion Publications SNOW LION PUBLICATIONS is dedicated to the preservation of Tibetan Buddhism and culture by publishing books about this great tradition. Tibetan culture is seriously endangered in its homeland and is striving to continue outside of Tibet. To support this effort, in addition to publishing and distributing books, Snow Lion offers a wide range of dharma items, purchased primarily from Tibetans in exile. These include visual art and ritual objects, statues and thangkas, videos, traditional music, and many gift items offered through our webstore and newsletter--over 2000 items--the largest selection anywhere. To browse the complete list go towww.snowlionpub.comand select any of the categories in left-hand margin. When you choose to purchase from Snow Lion you are directly supporting the large effort to publish more Buddhist texts and help the Tibetan people.THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT. You are receiving this announcement from Snow Lion Publications because you have previously subscribed on our website. To continue receiving messages, we recommend that you add [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] to your address book. If you'd like to change or cancel your subscription, please visit our subscription pages at www.snowlionpub.com/pages/lists.php, www.snowlionpub.com/pages/unsubscribe.php,or email us at [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Please note that these announcements are also available in plain text, if you are having trouble receiving them. STRAIGHT FROM THE HEART:Buddhist Pith Instructions translated and introduced byKarl Brunnhlzlmore... Contact Us: N. America:(800) 950-0313 Worldwide:(607) 273-8519 By Mail: PO Box 6483, Ithaca, NY 14851 USA By Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On the Web: www.snowlionpub.com New Items Available Online: New Books New Dharma Items On Sale! Gifts Calendars General Catalog: www.snowlionpub.com Sign Up: Receive Snow Lion's Weekly Quotes, Announcements, or Quarterly "Snow Lion Buddhist News Catalog" at the List Management Center. Snow Lion Publications is happy to
[FairfieldLife] Another fine essay from SF Chronicle's Mark Morford
http://www.sfgate.com/columnists/morford/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The view from up here
The view from up here Angela Mailander wrote: Is that hill you live on, Richard, physical? So, you don't have all the answers! It looks pretty physical to me, but you are supposed to read the message BEFORE you ask questions, Angela. http://www.rwilliams.us/view/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Which MASS MURDERER will you vote for? (Bill Clinton's presidential years)
Duveyoung wrote: Who can be calm about this? Uh, you forgot about the Approximately 46 million abortions are performed worldwide every year. Not a single cry of protest from Ed about 46 million infant murders every year. Go figure. Abortion: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion Fetal pain: 'Fetal Pain: A Systematic Multidisciplinary Review of the Evidence' by Susan J. Lee, JD; Henry J. Peter Ralston, MD; Eleanor A. Drey, MD, EdM; John Colin Partridge, MD, MPH; Mark A. Rosen, MD. JAMA. 2005;294:947-954.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bill Clinton's presidential years - Maharishi Effect? choke
Peter wrote: This just proves what a crappy president he was! I'm so glad Bush and his administration came in and straightened everything out over the last 8 years. Thank God! That loud sucking sound: Clinton made it one of his goals as president to pass trade legislation that lowered the barriers to trade with other nations. Bill Clinton: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidency_of_Bill_Clinton From what I've read, 88 percent of middle-income gains between 2000 and 2004 were due to Bush tax cuts of 2003. Read more: 'Tax Cuts and the Rich' By Alan Reynolds http://tinyurl.com/3xdayo ...information available suggests that the standard of living has increased on all rungs of the socio-economic strata... George W. Bush: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush#_note-54
[FairfieldLife] Re: The TMers Pledge
Curtis wrote: What exactly is your beef with ex-teachers? That they like to bash the Marshy? Nabby wrote: That they are unable to keep a promise? That some bowed down and recited an oath and some signed a pledge, collected money for instruction, and then, after thirty years, went on the internet to spread rumors about their guru's private sex life, and denied their own complicity, and bashed the Marshy when he got to be over ninety years old and they felt they didn't need him anymore?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Maharishi Says: Work is Finished'
they look like they could be space aliens. What a trip life is.
- Original Message
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Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 1:57:56 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Maharishi Says: Work is Finished'
--that's a good one, Vaj. Or, a Chupacabra will do:
http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Chupacabra
- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Vaj vajranatha@ ... wrote:
On Jan 18, 2008, at 2:41 PM, matrixmonitor wrote:
Then, Sheng Yen quotes Chan Master Hhineng: The Dharma is of the
world; enlightenment is not realized apart fromt he world. If one
seeks bodhi [enlightenment] outside the world, it is like searching
for horns on a rabbit.
You mean like a Jackalope?
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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Maharishi Says: Work is Finished'
--that's a good one, Vaj. Or, a Chupacabra will do: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chupacabra - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 18, 2008, at 2:41 PM, matrixmonitor wrote: Then, Sheng Yen quotes Chan Master Hhineng: The Dharma is of the world; enlightenment is not realized apart fromt he world. If one seeks bodhi [enlightenment] outside the world, it is like searching for horns on a rabbit. You mean like a Jackalope?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Maharishi Says: Work is Finished'
On Jan 18, 2008, at 2:41 PM, matrixmonitor wrote: Then, Sheng Yen quotes Chan Master Hhineng: The Dharma is of the world; enlightenment is not realized apart fromt he world. If one seeks bodhi [enlightenment] outside the world, it is like searching for horns on a rabbit. You mean like a Jackalope?
[FairfieldLife] Ant City State Architecture (Organic Vaastu)
A six-and-a-half minute Science video that's beautiful and awesome. Cool ending, too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQERRbU23bU
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Maharishi Says: Work is Finished'
---That's right!...for the sake of diversity at least, I'm always fascinated by viewpoints radically different than my own; and although I can grok Christian Fundies quite well, I'm still trying to figure out people who have no interest in mystical/and or Spiritual matters at all. In regard to the truth, Chan Master Sheng Yen in Chan Magazine discusses 4 broad categories of reality: 1. Reality according to worldly consent refers to reality as understood by ordinary beings who understand things based on categorizing and on comm9n sense arising from habit. 2. Reality accepted according to logical reasoning includes: a. truths reachd by experimentation b. truths philosophers reach by ntellectual inquiry c. truths theists reach through contact with a God or gods. d. truths reached through meditation. 3. Reality of cognitive activity purified of the afflictive hindrances, includes a. the truth of the emptiness of self b. the truth of the emptiness of self partially realized by Mahayana noble ones. 4. Reality of cognitive activity purified of the noetic hindrances includes 2 categories: a. reality of a bodhisattva's partial realization of the emptiness of phenomena b. reality of the emptiness of phenomena realized by a completely enlightened Buddha. Then Sheng Yen says: Among the so-called truths in this world, those least able to stand up to testing are the truths of common sense. Sheng Yen basically defines emptiness through negation and goies on to say The ultimte truth in Buddhistm--the realization of the two emptinesses--[i.e. the afflictive hindrances and noetic hindrances related to the emptiness of phenomena]--is beyond mundane phenomena, and beyond description. This truth that is said to be separate from verbalization and conceptualization is the final truth; if we insist on labeling it, we could call it the One True Dharma Realm or Substance-Principle of Suchness. The ultimate reality in Buddhism, though ineffable, is not separate from worldly phenomena. Then, Sheng Yen quotes Chan Master Hhineng: The Dharma is of the world; enlightenment is not realized apart fromt he world. If one seeks bodhi [enlightenment] outside the world, it is like searching for horns on a rabbit. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter said, But for a guy standing right next to them who's experience is different, Jesus is Lord of the Universe, God incarnate, the Word made flesh. Its all based upon the experienced reality, not the mental concept. Peter, I found this statement very disturbing. This sort of thinking leads to a great deal of delusion. Our experience of reality is completely unreliable. 27 years of meditation has taught me that fact. Our perceptual apparatus (eyes, ears, touch etc.) is flawed. It does not give us a complete picture of the world, it gives us at best a distorted taste of something beyond our selves. Experienced reality is a drama, a fiction, a glimpse of reality. And of course our mental concepts are just best attempts to fill in the blanks left by flawed perceptions. Thus, when Billy talks about his opinion of MMY. We understand this is an opinion based on his years with the TMO. No more or less valid than your opinion. You can not hide behind the veil that somehow you are protected by experienced reality that is of a higher order than your neighbor. We have an moral obligation to discern as best as we can with our flawed senses and big brains reality from fiction. This is an important step to our personal evolution. I can assure you that you will not find a hint of reality in any press release. s.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The TMers Pledge
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Blake's opinion too, as I said in another post, Turq, but someone
corrected me and said, not necessarily. Seems to me the guru
worthy of name understands this and builds in some sort of
failsafe. But it's one of those questions that can be discussed
forever. Are religions necessary? If so, what are the dangers?
What are the benefits?
Religion is what happens to spirituality when
all the energy is drained from it. That is,
when the teacher who was enlightened and
provided the link to the energy kicks the
bucket.
Religion is the attempt by those who are left
behind to reconnect with that energy. And it
almost always fails. People try to codify the
things that seemed to work for them while the
enlightened teacher/energy circuit was still
around and available to them. But they don't
really work, so it becomes an exercise in
frustration, which the survivors tend to think
of as being a test of their faith.
I don't think that there is any possible fail
safe mechanism *except* leaving a bunch of
your followers enlightened. so that they have
their own conduit to the energy they seek. If
that happens, the tradition can continue to
be useful. If it doesn't happen, then the trad-
ition is passing along dead knowledge.
IMO, that is. But not only mine. Maharishi
himself used to talk about this phenomenon, as
the tragedy of knowledge.
- Original Message
From: TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 1:40:19 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The TMers Pledge
--- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, The Secret
L.Shaddai@ .. wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, curtisdeltablues
curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
snip
You
are mixing up the story teachers told meditators and what we
believed
ourselves.
Can you kindly understand that the meditators were adult men and women
who detected Ervig Goffman Presentation of Self in Everyday Life
differences between front stage and back stage in spades and didn't
quite appreciate it? The expansion of this theme is fathers and
mothers, grandfathers and grandmothers still being treated as children
once they enter Campus. Then again, perhaps recertified Governors are
also still treated as though they were children and some of them don't
appreciate it.
*Everyone* in the TM movement is treated as a
child. It's been that way since Day One, with
only one Daddy in sight.
*No one* is allowed to grow up and have an
opinion on life, the universe, and how every-
thing works that is as valid and as right as
Maharishi's. No one. To pretend otherwise is
to deny the obvious reality of the situation.
And if you think I'm wrong, just try spouting
off in public about your private theory of X
that deviates from Maharishi's theory of X and
see how long you last.
Judging from what has happened in other spiritual
movements when their leader died, the definitions
of what is right and what is wrong will become
even *more* concrete and *more* enforced with the
passing of Maharishi. People who consider them-
selves the leaders of the movement will compile
catechism-like books of Maharishi's quotes that
seem to support the rules they'd like to impose
on everyone the same way they impose them on them-
selves, and they'll develop hit squads whose job
it is to enforce them, primarily through official
inclusion in the group vs. exclusion. Those who
follow the rules are allowed to stay; those who
deviate are out, toast, no longer a part of things.
As far as I can tell, there has never been a spir-
itual movement in history that became less funda-
mentalist when its leader passed away. They've all
become *more* fundamentalist, at least for a few
decades or centuries. And I expect the same to be
true of the TM movement as well.
In other words, those who hope here for a gentler,
kinder TMO just haven't looked at the lessons of
history and learned from them.
IMO, of course.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Suggestings on handling utter dissolution?
You think Dextromethorphan would do the trick? In large quantities that's an hallucinogenic. I never played with drugs. I've administered them, but never played with them. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm thinking: cough syrup. Edg -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, The Secret L.Shaddai@ wrote: I started to shake and then while shaking entered utter dissolution. I got all of us to our destination safely. I don't know if I experienced a step back or forward. I also don't quite get how I could feel totally dissolved and yet describe the experience to the men as I drove. The dissolution doesn't seemed to have disappeared. It feels like the dissolution is always there and I just don't place my attention on it. It appears that there's a flip flop between being aware of the dissolution and feeling and seeing infinite love and I'm infinite and everything is infinite and no matter where I look I see people, animals and things but simultaneously see myself looking back at me. Frankly I prefer the infinite love thing a lot more than just the infinite thing.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Attila the Hun
Thanks Sal. I felt you were just goofing. but I'm new here and can easily blunder, so I thought it might be wise to check. Thanks for your thoughtful assurance. --Ben Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 18, 2008, at 8:26 PM, Ben Gilberti wrote: If my posts are really annoying folks here, I'll knock it off. No sense being a nuisance I was just making a joke, Ben. Really, don't leave because of that. Your essays are beautifully written, I just don't have the time to really dive into them. But I'm sure you'll get some much better comments from others who do. Sal - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Richard J. Williams wrote: Billy wrote: It appears MMY will be going to the grave without revealing where the mantras came from, how they were formulated and if there is any traditional lineage, aka a Parampara... Billy - They all come from Guru Dev and the Sri Vidya sect of Karnataka. Swami Brahmanand Saraswati was a Dasanami of the Saraswati parampara, which is headquarters at Sringeri. The TM mantras are inscribed on the Sri Yantra installed at Sringeri by the Adi Shankaracharya. All the Saraswati Swamis are tantrics who worship the Tripuransundari and belong to the Sri Vidya sect. As well as a lot of other yantras. Fortunately most people here including Billy don't take you as a reliable source. If Willytex is speaking for MMY, then, I accept his explaination!! (Since MMY isn't speaking for himself!!)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Suggestings on handling utter dissolution?
I'm thinking: cough syrup. Edg -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, The Secret [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I started to shake and then while shaking entered utter dissolution. I got all of us to our destination safely. I don't know if I experienced a step back or forward. I also don't quite get how I could feel totally dissolved and yet describe the experience to the men as I drove. The dissolution doesn't seemed to have disappeared. It feels like the dissolution is always there and I just don't place my attention on it. It appears that there's a flip flop between being aware of the dissolution and feeling and seeing infinite love and I'm infinite and everything is infinite and no matter where I look I see people, animals and things but simultaneously see myself looking back at me. Frankly I prefer the infinite love thing a lot more than just the infinite thing.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Which MASS MURDERER will you vote for? (Bill Clinton's presidential years)
Richard J. Williams wrote: Uh, you forgot about the Approximately 46 million abortions are performed worldwide every year. Not a single cry of protest from Ed about 46 million infant murders every year. Go figure. Edg: It seems you missed my response #159717 Here's the text: Abortion (Re: Brasscheck TV video on9/11) Richard challenges us to define words carefully. He says it would be hypocritical of me to be against wars-that-kill-babies if I am not equally intense about the killing of babies-in-wombs. He would be right if the word baby is defined differently than I would define it. What's a baby? A zygote is the first complete cell formed from the union of egg and sperm -- as it splits itself into more cells, it is then called an embryo. Richard would contend that somewhere in this process a soul is born, and I would suspect that the zygote's single cell is enough for Richard to claim that a life has been started. But a zygote isn't a baby by almost every definition of the word. The zygote has no brain, no senses, no memories, no thoughts, no feelings, no nuttin' that we'd normally call babyish. Richard would have us think that any potential by a zygote MUST be allowed to be realized, MUST be allowed to manifest, or, what?, er, the will of God has been thwarted? Something like that probably. Of course, God sees to it that spontaneous abortions occur by the millions every year -- science tells us this. So, if Richard's definition of baby is true, then God is a mass murderer whose tally exceeds the totals of Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, et al. To me, since Christ and Krishna both agree that even rocks have consciousness, then it's not logical to think that a zygote has no consciousness (if we can agree what has means.) Ramana Maharshi teaches that consciousness has the zygote not the other way around -- just as in a dream one may have a zygote or baby be manifest. So, yes, the zygote cannot be found except that consciousness enwraps it, associates with it, IS IT. But this is true of rocks too, so a zygote cannot logically make a case for its consciousness being special and deserving more to be manifest in the Dream-called-Maya. I will agree with the will of God concept to the deepest degree, and that means we should get out of the dream and allow it to continue with only God doing the doing, and so any act of will by the meat robot that is out of sync with God's will can be seen as, well, murder. If we change the dream to suit the meat robot instead of the grand drama of Maya, then we've murdered God's plan for manifestation. Thus in principal, we're all murderers if we are not enlightened, and it doesn't matter if we've stopped a zygote from growing up to be a baby or if we've kicked a rock ten feet from where God put it in the first place -- same sin. Back to reality now: when a zygote grows to be an exceedingly complex system of cells that have tissues and organs, it becomes emotionally beguiling to begin to call the embryo, after eight weeks, a fetus, and a fetus looks like a tiny three inch long baby. A baby that can kick, suck its thumb, and listen to its own heart beating. This is where I get emotional about abortion. I think that at this point, I'm struggling not to grant this being full human rights -- partial birth abortions at this stage just entirely shock me with the utter brutality of the act. Yet, up until the 12th week, most states allow abortions. Score one for Richard if this is his travail also, and he recognizes that zygotes and embryos are not ensouled yet. But, it seems Richard DOES think zygotes are babies. Spiritually speaking, my dogma says a fetus only becomes a baby when it takes its first breath -- then the soul enters the body. To me this is a convenient myth, yet I believe it. Believe -- not know. All this said, those zygotes that did make it all the way to baby and are born and living surely deserve any rights and privileges that Richard would grant to the babies in the womb. Surely Richard and I and everyone would be nutzoid if anyone wanted to carpet bomb a zygote, yet, those very zygotes would not be given such protection by Richard if those zygotes are Iraqi children who are unlucky enough to have oil under their feet. This is where Richard fails so egregiously: his support of zygotes becomes a straw dog of abortion must be dealt with as much as warfare that we see is not truly a deeply held axiom of morality to him. Richard, you are supporting the killing of fully formed zygotes for oil, and any cry for the beloved zygotes in wombs is, from you lips, a hideous malformation of your psyche at best or a mindfully murderous racism attempting to divert criticism about war-mongering to other issues. Either way, Richard, you need help desperately to get harmony with the dissonances in your nervous system. Inside you is a Turq and Judy show that never ends, and to you, methinks, it feels normal, but to me, I cannot imagine living inside your brain with such a
[FairfieldLife] Re: Regular Guy Attitude.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This guy nails it; top of the bell curve. Excellent, Off.W., thanks. I enjoyed it too, Off.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Another fine essay from SF Chronicle's Mark Morford
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.sfgate.com/columnists/morford/ *** I don't share Morford's enthusiasm for Ecstacy, but the pharmaceutical industry is certainly a hoax factory -- Morford mentions the absurd introduction of antidepressant Lyrica, but really, all the so-called antidepressants are on the market solely to make money and are unlikely to have any significance other than placebo effect, a fact which big pharma is anxious to suppress: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120051950205895415.html The effectiveness of a dozen popular antidepressants has been exaggerated by selective publication of favorable results, according to a review of unpublished data submitted to the Food and Drug Administration. As a result, doctors and patients are getting a distorted view of how well blockbuster antidepressants like Wyeth's Effexor and Pfizer Inc.'s Zoloft really work, researchers asserted in this week's New England Journal of Medicine. Since the overwhelming amount of published data on the drugs show they are effective, doctors unaware of the unpublished data are making inappropriate prescribing decisions that aren't in the best interest of their patients, according to researchers led by Erick Turner, a psychiatrist at Oregon Health Science University. Sales of antidepressants total about $21 billion a year, according to IMS Health. ACCENTUATE THE POSITIVE A review of research submitted to the FDA: Of 74 studies reviewed, 38 were judged to be positive by the FDA. All but one were published, researchers said. Most of the studies found to have negative or questionable results were not published, researchers found. Source: The New England Journal of Medicine
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!
--- Thanks for setting the record straight!...but this info doesn't address the question of whether MMY tweaked the traditional method of meditation by allowing for a free-floating mantra. Or, did MMY receive the TM technique as from SBS. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Billy wrote: It appears MMY will be going to the grave without revealing where the mantras came from, how they were formulated and if there is any traditional lineage, aka a Parampara... Billy - They all come from Guru Dev and the Sri Vidya sect of Karnataka. Swami Brahmanand Saraswati was a Dasanami of the Saraswati parampara, which is headquarters at Sringeri. The TM mantras are inscribed on the Sri Yantra installed at Sringeri by the Adi Shankaracharya. All the Saraswati Swamis are tantrics who worship the Tripuransundari and belong to the Sri Vidya sect. The Srividya, because it consists of indestructible seed syllables (bijaksara) rather than words, transcends such mundane considerations as semantic meaning. A bija-only is not only esoteric but inherently superior (95). Work cited: Auspicious Wisdom The texts and traditions of Srividya Sakta Tantricism in South India. by Douglas Renfro Brooks SUNY 1992 Read more: Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental From: Willytex Date: Wed, Mar 3 2004 11:06 am Subject: Guru Dev's Parampara http://tinyurl.com/2hlmh4 Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental From: Willytex Date: Fri, Sep 16 2005 12:56 pm Subject: Everyday Teachings of Sri Guru DevJi http://tinyurl.com/yqd3go Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental From: Willytex Date: Mon, Sep 5 2005 10:40 pm Subject: The Sri Yantra at Sringeri http://tinyurl.com/2dguxm
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Which MASS MURDERER will you vote for? (Bill Clinton's presidential years)
Maybe Edg realizes that there must be a distinction made between abortion and
murder, and that this is best done on a case by case basis. True that in many
cases the abortion is not necessary for the health of the mother or to prevent
a seriously sick baby from being born into a world already overpopulated and
stretched, but the benefits far outweigh the problems. Bear in mind that
primitive societies usually had some means to make sure babies were viable or
they died. My grandmother told me that among the Bashkirs a newborn, still
read with blood, was given, naked, into his father's hands. He put it next to
his skin, under whatever clothing was in season. He then rode a hard ride out
(I forget how many hours) and a hard ride back. If the baby lived, God be
praised. If it didn't God also be praised.
- Original Message
From: Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 3:01:10 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Which MASS MURDERER will you vote for? (Bill
Clinton's presidential years)
Duveyoung wrote:
Who can be calm about this?
Uh, you forgot about the Approximately 46 million
abortions are performed worldwide every year. Not
a single cry of protest from Ed about 46 million
infant murders every year. Go figure.
Abortion:
http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Abortion
Fetal pain:
'Fetal Pain: A Systematic Multidisciplinary Review
of the Evidence' by Susan J. Lee, JD; Henry J. Peter
Ralston, MD; Eleanor A. Drey, MD, EdM; John Colin
Partridge, MD, MPH; Mark A. Rosen, MD.
JAMA. 2005;294:947- 954.
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[FairfieldLife] There Will Be Blood
I saw this yesterday and it is now at the top of my list for film of the year. This adaptation of Upton Sinclair's Oil! is well worth seeing. Daniel Day-Lewis is outstanding as the lead character. He must have studied John Huston for the role as he sounds like him throughout. This film is a great indictment of capitalism and greedy buttheads that exploit it. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0469494/ Also would like to recommend a little gem on DVD that just came out: He Was a Quiet Man. This is a low budget feature shot with HDV (a JVC HD100) starring Christian Slater, William Macy and Elisha Cuthbert. The director/writer's day job is as an effects specialist and did many of the effects on his computer. John Gulager, the winner of the third and last Project Greenlight plays a psychologist in the film. http://imdb.com/title/tt0760311/ I'm also debating whether to see mingle with the masses and see Cloverfield this afternoon at the theater up the street. I usually don't go on opening day (or weekends) because of crowds but this film by the folks who do Lost intrigues me. http://imdb.com/title/tt1060277/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The TMers Pledge
Yes, those are pretty much all the negative aspects of religion. I could add that as things get calcified and folks are trapped in the small self, they also come to doubt the reality of the transcendent and its power. But what are the good aspects of religion? Are there any? I can think of two or three: 1. Even the calcified model can serve someone who is truly inspired to breathe life into it once again. So it is a way, imperfect as it is, to perpetuate knowledge in times of darkness. 2. At their best, religions create communities and stabilize family structure as a basis for community. Of course, this is a double edged sword, since communities (in a state of near-calcification) create us-them mentalities. 3. We want diversity in communities, but when diversity gets out of balance (and you have a collection of diverse and hardened egos), educational systems, legal systems, health care systems, political systems, etc. have a hard time delivering quality. Religion tends to establish some degree of homogeneity for communities to be functional bodies moving in some desired direction to benefit the whole. - Original Message From: TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 1:37:06 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The TMers Pledge --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ ... wrote: Blake's opinion too, as I said in another post, Turq, but someone corrected me and said, not necessarily. Seems to me the guru worthy of name understands this and builds in some sort of failsafe. But it's one of those questions that can be discussed forever. Are religions necessary? If so, what are the dangers? What are the benefits? Religion is what happens to spirituality when all the energy is drained from it. That is, when the teacher who was enlightened and provided the link to the energy kicks the bucket. Religion is the attempt by those who are left behind to reconnect with that energy. And it almost always fails. People try to codify the things that seemed to work for them while the enlightened teacher/energy circuit was still around and available to them. But they don't really work, so it becomes an exercise in frustration, which the survivors tend to think of as being a test of their faith. I don't think that there is any possible fail safe mechanism *except* leaving a bunch of your followers enlightened. so that they have their own conduit to the energy they seek. If that happens, the tradition can continue to be useful. If it doesn't happen, then the trad- ition is passing along dead knowledge. IMO, that is. But not only mine. Maharishi himself used to talk about this phenomenon, as the tragedy of knowledge. - Original Message From: TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] s.com To: FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 1:40:19 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The TMers Pledge --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, The Secret L.Shaddai@ .. wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: snip You are mixing up the story teachers told meditators and what we believed ourselves. Can you kindly understand that the meditators were adult men and women who detected Ervig Goffman Presentation of Self in Everyday Life differences between front stage and back stage in spades and didn't quite appreciate it? The expansion of this theme is fathers and mothers, grandfathers and grandmothers still being treated as children once they enter Campus. Then again, perhaps recertified Governors are also still treated as though they were children and some of them don't appreciate it. *Everyone* in the TM movement is treated as a child. It's been that way since Day One, with only one Daddy in sight. *No one* is allowed to grow up and have an opinion on life, the universe, and how every- thing works that is as valid and as right as Maharishi's. No one. To pretend otherwise is to deny the obvious reality of the situation. And if you think I'm wrong, just try spouting off in public about your private theory of X that deviates from Maharishi's theory of X and see how long you last. Judging from what has happened in other spiritual movements when their leader died, the definitions of what is right and what is wrong will become even *more* concrete and *more* enforced with the passing of Maharishi. People who consider them- selves the leaders of the movement will compile catechism-like books of Maharishi's quotes that seem to support the rules they'd like to impose
[FairfieldLife] Which MASS MURDERER will you vote for? (Bill Clinton's presidential years)
Clinton fiddled while Africa burned. He's Nero not hero. Whatever gains that the people seem to get during any president's leadership are bought with BLOOD MONEY -- give the masses a little, and then take a lot of their lives, wealth, and future wealth, and while doing it, brainwash their children to be sure that this abuse will continue. Kucinich on his first day as president will be scrambling to stop killing in the name of America, but even he will have to suffer children being killed for oil on his watch. Clinton and every president before him was oblivious to where their presidential powers could do the most good and obsessed where their powers could be increased. The world is run by MURDERERS who wrap themselves in a flag, who arm themselves with a religious dogma, who take the best and deepest hopes of decent, hardworking, long suffering common folks and leverage these hopes into boondoggles, pork barrels and windfalls for themselves while the people fade closer and closer to a perfectly un-empowered slavery. Give me a president who makes the whole of the military into a peace corps. Here's a sampling of what presidents do with the power we give to them -- they become MASS MURDERERS. http://tinyurl.com/2blb3d -- War mongers advice top Democrat candidates. http://tinyurl.com/2hqstd -- President Ford supports the killing of 1/3 of the people of East Timor. http://tinyurl.com/ysndtl -- President Reagan was behind the MASS MURDERING of 200,000. Who can be calm about this? Every single one of us was raised by our parents and schools and society in general to be kind and understanding and for the greater good of civilization -- every single one of us was educated about the horrors of the Nazi death camps. Every single one of us was brainwashed to stand up and be counted in the face of genocidal murderers. In fact, we are told that we are as guilty as the actual killers if we take an order from a murderous leader to kill, because such an order would be an axiomatic sin against humanity/nature that stains a soul forever. If you ask the common person on the street what they'd do if they found out that a mile away from their home was a camp which was gassing and burning Americans, the common response would be that they'd do something about it in short order, and any cop or politician or leader of any sort that suggested that they should turn a blind eye would be considered equally guilty abettors of death. What would you do if you had just such a challenge, if you could smell the smoke of carnage in your neighborhood, could see the mothers and children entering the camps by the truckload? Don't answer, I already know that you'd be raising a rabble to storm those gates of hell. Yet, within the next year, all of us are expected to approve and honor the next mass murderer who has enough money to buy the media to delude the people, and then call it sacred democracy at work. What do you call it when two wolves and a lamb decide what to have for dinner? Answer: democracy. What we want is a republic that addresses the concerns of all the people by supporting the basic core morals of antiquity -- not a mob-blood-lust-psychology-rules-all society. 10,000 - 30,000 children WILL DIE from lack of water TODAY -- MERE WATER -- and no one reads a thing in the headlines except about a mere two children of a ego maniac millionaire who shows her pussy to the paparazzi. WAKE UP WAKE UP WAKE UP -- we are applauding now and future Kings of Death. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: During the Clinton presidency... * Average economic growth of 4.0 percent per year, compared to average growth of 2.8 percent during the previous years. The economy grew for 116 consecutive months, the most in history.[29] * Creation of more than 22.5 million jobsthe most jobs ever created under a single administration, and more than were created in the previous 12 years. Of the total new jobs, 20.7 million, or 92 percent, were in the private sector.[30] * Economic gains spurred an increase in family incomes for all Americans. Since 1993, real median family income increased by $6,338, from $42,612 in 1993 to $48,950 in 1999 (in 1999 dollars).[31] * Overall unemployment dropped to the lowest level in more than 30 years, down from 6.9 percent in 1993 to just 4.0 percent in January 2001. The unemployment rate was below 5 percent for 40 consecutive months. Unemployment for African Americans fell from 14.2 percent in 1992 to 7.3 percent in 2000, the lowest rate on record. Unemployment for Hispanics fell from 11.8 percent in October 1992 to 5.0 percent in 2000, also the lowest rate on record.[30] * Inflation dropped to its lowest rate since the Kennedy Administration, averaging 2.5 percent, and fell from 4.7 percent during the previous administration.[32] * The homeownership rate reached 67.7 percent near the end of the Clinton
[FairfieldLife] Re: The view from up here
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The view from up here Curtis wrote: Up where? Looking north from Radiance TM Village to Barsana Dham, one of the largest Hindu temples outside India? On a clear day I can see all the way to Barsana Dham, Curtis. With a view like that it would be impossible for you to have missed my point. http://www.rwilliams.us/view/ Note to new readers: Richard J. Williamns lives up on a hill.
[FairfieldLife] Re: There Will Be Blood
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I saw this yesterday and it is now at the top of my list for film of the year. This adaptation of Upton Sinclair's Oil! is well worth seeing. Daniel Day-Lewis is outstanding as the lead character. He must have studied John Huston for the role as he sounds like him throughout. This film is a great indictment of capitalism and greedy buttheads that exploit it. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0469494/ There Will Be Blood is receiving positive press. It is released in art house venues, and thus unless it proves to have incredible audience response, will have minimal impact. I saw it last week, and was disappointed. The cinematography and audio was illustrative of the stamina and determination necessary to succeed in the mining process; most of the first quarter of the movie was devoid of dialogue. The cinematography and audio captures the incredible struggles and grueling demands of mininggreat suspense build-up in the mining scenes throughout the movie. However, with the early visual and sound excellence as a precursor, I was very disappointed with so many of the scenes that had dialogue. Listen closely, and you will hear monotonous, flat volume expressions that remind you of locally produced television commercials.. the expressions of the characters are strained I thought I was watching a small-town stage production that was filmed and put to screen. Awful. Trying to reconcile the high recommendations for this film of quality cinematography and the dreadful dialogue performances, I am somewhat at a loss why the film is highly recommended. In one lay review, the movie 'Raging Bull' was mentioned. In no way will this movie approximate the contribution of 'Raging Bull'. In that movie, the arc of character development was complete. In TWBB, all we see is a character - monotonously the same throughout, except for his changing into better and better coats of teflon that deflect any karmic letters he is due. Quite discouraging. Also would like to recommend a little gem on DVD that just came out: He Was a Quiet Man. This is a low budget feature shot with HDV (a JVC HD100) starring Christian Slater, William Macy and Elisha Cuthbert. The director/writer's day job is as an effects specialist and did many of the effects on his computer. John Gulager, the winner of the third and last Project Greenlight plays a psychologist in the film. http://imdb.com/title/tt0760311/ I'm also debating whether to see mingle with the masses and see Cloverfield this afternoon at the theater up the street. I usually don't go on opening day (or weekends) because of crowds but this film by the folks who do Lost intrigues me. http://imdb.com/title/tt1060277/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!
BillyG. wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Richard J. Williams wrote: Billy wrote: It appears MMY will be going to the grave without revealing where the mantras came from, how they were formulated and if there is any traditional lineage, aka a Parampara... Billy - They all come from Guru Dev and the Sri Vidya sect of Karnataka. Swami Brahmanand Saraswati was a Dasanami of the Saraswati parampara, which is headquarters at Sringeri. The TM mantras are inscribed on the Sri Yantra installed at Sringeri by the Adi Shankaracharya. All the Saraswati Swamis are tantrics who worship the Tripuransundari and belong to the Sri Vidya sect. As well as a lot of other yantras. Fortunately most people here including Billy don't take you as a reliable source. If Willytex is speaking for MMY, then, I accept his explaination!! (Since MMY isn't speaking for himself!!) Don't you think if he got the method from Brahmananda Swaraswati he would have used that at first? Evidence shows he didn't and changed the method much later. Most likely he picked it up somewhere else from another yogi, tantric or priest. They sometimes sit around and exchange their tricks like guitarist trade lick concepts.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 911 into the fray again I go (of the assailing on FFL)
Bhairitu wrote: People saw a plane but couldn't say what size so it could have been a missile. If so, we would find missile parts all over the place instead of planes parts, all around the site of the impact, right? One man who was quoted as saying he could see passengers in the windows actually got angry over the report and said that he only said that it was close enough that I could have seen passengers in windows. Non sequitor: nobody said they saw passengers through a window. But all of the people reported seeing a plane - none reported seeing a missile. Some described it as a commuter plane too which would be much smaller and missile sized. You're not even making any sense - a plane was missing. Everyone on the ground said it was a plane that was flown into the Pentagon. Hence, plane parts were found at the site. No missile parts were found. They certainly could end the debate once and for all by showing us all the tapes from the Pentagon cameras as well as the ones they confiscated from adjacent businesses. For some reason they don't. I don't think you, I, Judy or anyone else here has a definitive answer on the events of 9-11 so we will have to agree to disagree. As far as I'm concerned looking at the timeline of events, the behavior of the Bush administration and their foreign occupation exercises as well as their use of 9-11 related fear to control Americans looks far too convenient to me especially when we know that the invasions were planned in advance of 9-11. Yah, and monkeys are flying out your butt! Face it, some planes were hijacked and flown into buildings on 9-11 by radical Islamists. They even have one of the hijackers passports and the mastermind is in prison. From: Bhairitu Groups: alt.meditation.transcendental Subject: Warrantless wiretaps unlikely to be OK'd Date: Mon, Nov 13 2006 1:31 pm Al Qaeda didn't do 9-11. There is a lot of evidence it was an inside job, they were just used as patsies. It helped the NeoCons get their Pearl Harbor, From: Willytex Groups: alt.meditation.transcendental, alt.religion.mormon Subject: Behold These Hands! Date: Wed, Nov 22 2006 10:45 am http://tinyurl.com/y8oouh 'Behold My Hands: Evidence for Christ's Visit in Ancient America' By Steven E. Jones Brigham Young University Engineers have dismissed the controlled demolition hypothesis with reference to the consensus that has formed in the engineering community about the collapses. Read more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_E._Jones '9/11: Debunking The Myths' Popular Mechanics, March, 2005 http://tinyurl.com/3yya5v
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The view from up here
Is that hill you live on, Richard, physical? Symbolical? or is it an example of
anagoge?
- Original Message
From: curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 12:24:54 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The view from up here
--- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Richard J. Williams
[EMAIL PROTECTED] . wrote:
The view from up here
Curtis wrote:
Up where?
Looking north from Radiance TM Village to Barsana Dham, one
of the largest Hindu temples outside India? On a clear day I
can see all the way to Barsana Dham, Curtis.
With a view like that it would be impossible for you to have missed my
point.
http://www.rwilliam s.us/view/
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[FairfieldLife] Re: OMG !.....He has left the body !.....Jan. 12
FW: Maharâja Nader Râm's Message to Maharishi 12 January 2008 Your gift of infinite silence, eternal peace, with none other than you in it - I embraced, my Lord, with joy and it filled me with bliss. In it You breathe life into Ved. Your thoughts are pure knowledge. In it You leave nothing to be desired. There is no need, no want. You are the soul of all that there is: Atma, Brahm, eternal freedom, totality, unboundedness. Tender softly permeating everything, all encompassing, binding the loose ends of creation, unifying all opposites, resolving all conflicts. You are and give meaning and all the glory to silence, that gift of Guru Dev, that which You taught us to be Guru Dev. With Your grace, my Lord, my silence has been full. Please, today do not wish us to experience its emptiness. I shall remain in it, but, please, do not take away from me the hope to be always able to open my eyes and say: Jai Guru Dev. For other than to You and under your guidance to whom shall I speak? Yes, of course, You say and I know, You will be with me forever and my task will be easy keeping You company in silence. But why, suddenly today, I feel the need to speak and the need to tell You again and again and never loose the chance to be able to tell You again how much I adore you. Yes, I know that we will be together unified and strong with you, for there is nothing in us other than You and I see the day, when I will be fulfilled again, that day which I cannot wait for too long, that day when everyone alive on this planet earth will in every breath in his heart and mind uphold Your silence - Your Guru Dev, our Guru Dev. Only on that day, maybe, I will stop missing you. Jai Guru Dev --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FW: i am trying to get my mind around Maharishi dying. i realize that i think of him as an immortal value. i know that i do not have the same respect for the words of any other source. i more than believe in his status, i have experienced it. he has perplexed me, but i have no question that the technique that he taught me has worked, and i have a level of gratitude for his tradition that i do not have for anything else. as far as i'm concerned, there is no one to replace him. i don't know what it means to be without one's teacher. i am suspecting that it will feel very different. i am assuming that i will feel that there is no ultimate arbitrator, and that will make me feel adrift. that the world has returned to argument only. that the transcendent has lost its best articulator. i don't think that i will feel that Nature speaks english anymore. i will be concerned about losing my way. FW: you are not alone in these feelings. it is a wonderful thing...besides all the wacky projects, money laundering, hanky panky, whatever.that the 'diamond' in all this is indeed beyond all compare. its what i remember every time i puja to the holy tradition. As to life after mmy, that is what the 'inner guru' is all about. Self illumination. its what he wants for us, what he has always wanted for us. and to that, i hold. it will be very strange and, yes , lonely in a way. but we will see when the time comes. he is passing the torch to Tony Nader in his raja suitso what to do, eh? all blessings, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: OMG ! I have it on good authority that he has left the body today, of all days, on January the 12th...how wierd is that !??? It is uncanny ! What now?!! OffWorld Regarding your thoughts over MMY passing. First he does not pass. He/it is not IN your heart, he IS your heart. Secondly, attachment to exterior entities, even though powerful, is a crutch. Thirdly, it will make you stronger. Fourthly, you will feel more bliss after his passing, not less. Fifthly, your evolution will continue exponentially because it has been set in motion, and you will be free, and in that freedom you will be a Maharishi and you will spend the rest of your days not caring about the material, but passing on knowledge in some way or another, and enjoying every moment of it. What higher life is there than that? OffWorld om
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Maharishi Says: Work is Finished'
Peter said, But for a guy standing right next to them who's experience is different, Jesus is Lord of the Universe, God incarnate, the Word made flesh. Its all based upon the experienced reality, not the mental concept. Peter, I found this statement very disturbing. This sort of thinking leads to a great deal of delusion. Our experience of reality is completely unreliable. 27 years of meditation has taught me that fact. Our perceptual apparatus (eyes, ears, touch etc.) is flawed. It does not give us a complete picture of the world, it gives us at best a distorted taste of something beyond our selves. Experienced reality is a drama, a fiction, a glimpse of reality. And of course our mental concepts are just best attempts to fill in the blanks left by flawed perceptions. Thus, when Billy talks about his opinion of MMY. We understand this is an opinion based on his years with the TMO. No more or less valid than your opinion. You can not hide behind the veil that somehow you are protected by experienced reality that is of a higher order than your neighbor. We have an moral obligation to discern as best as we can with our flawed senses and big brains reality from fiction. This is an important step to our personal evolution. I can assure you that you will not find a hint of reality in any press release. s.
[FairfieldLife] The Uncounted
By Popular Demand: Uncounted Re-showing An enthusiastic crowd of 85 who saw the explosive new documentary Uncounted last Friday night want their friends to see it, too. In response, the film sponsors will show it again this weekend. Uncounted depicts how the election fraud that changed the outcome of the 2004 election led to even greater fraud in 2006 and now looms as an unbridled threat to the 2008 election. It examines in factual, logical terms how easy it is for even a single computer programmer to change election outcomes across the U.S., without being detected. Noted programmers, statisticians, journalists, and experienced election officials provide the irrefutable proof. One attendee said extremely well-done, startling, and truly worth taking the time to see...for anyone who has a concern about the leadership of this country. Uncounted shows at Morningstar Studio, east side of Fairfield square, Friday, January 18 at 7:45 PM. 81 minutes. Admission is free.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The view from up here
The view from up here Up where? I think this is the communication issue I seem to run into with you Richard. Sometimes you seem like a thoughtful, intelligent guy with a developed POV. I can dig that. But then I catch on that you are coming from an up there and that means I am down here. But the thing is, I am not down anywhere. I am looking you straight in the eye as your equal. The other posters here are too. Can you return our gaze equally or do you need a guru's distance to feel comfortable with us? So take your head out of your up there, and join the party. You have plenty to contribute, but I don't need another human preaching to me about the only way that people can reach enlightenment. You are about 35 years too late to try to run that number on me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: According to Shankara, scriptural knowledge of the Vedas (vidya) concerning the nature of the Being vis a vis the conditioned state, can bring one to a state of liberation (moksha) that is, freedom from suffering. Note: This page has been uploaded for easy reading: http://www.rwilliams.us/view/ However, in this day and age hardly anyone can read and understand the Sanskrit scriptures and there are only a few teachers for the millions of individuals. That being so, the only way that people can reach enlightenment in this age of ignorance is to sit down and relax, trust in your own karma and pursue the path of karma yoga, doing good deeds in this life through fruitive actions without attachment to the fruits of those actions. Or, one can accept the religious life serving the Lord (Ishvara). Or, one can adopt the attitude of the skeptic, doubting everything. Or become a nihilist, believeing that nothing can be known; not an option. There is very little that we can actually know through our intellect or senses. Most of our knowledge comes through hearing, seeing, or observing, and feeling and we accept these as a valid means of knowledge. Based on sense perception and verbal testimony we observe that the material world exhibits change and growth through change. Based on these observations we note a certain order in creation and we *infer* that there must be an intelligent agent. After all, it is a fact that something does not come out of nothing; only a creation based on intelligence would exhibit an orderly pattern of growth and dissolution repeated over time. According to Vasubandhu, the famous Vajrayana logician and the founder of the Conciousness Only (Yogacara) school in India, we can never know the transcendental state through the intellect (buddhi). This essentially agrees with Immanuel Kant who wrote a Critique on Pure Reason in the nineteenth century. For Vasubandhu, Conciousness itself is the Ultimate Reality; but conciousness itself is not composed of things-in-themeselves or discreet elements such as individual soul monads (jivas), or physical matter that is created once in time and then born about and replicated by an outside force or power. There is a reason things happen the way they do; events are caused based on the law of action-reaction. There are no chance events. But, there is a more fundamental question that we must ask ourselves before we can inquire about a valid means of knowledge and the nature of Reality. The question is: are we free or bound? If free, there is no need for scriptures or spiritual teachers. But, if we *are* bound, by what *means* are we to free ourselves? The emphasis inour life should be on the *means* to gain freedom and not the why of our bondage. In a famous simile, the Buddha noted that when an individual is impaled by an arrow, we don't normaly enquire as to the nature of the angle of the arrow's penetration, its speed upon entry, or from whence direction it came, or the name, family, and occupation of the shooter, or if the arrow was constructed of wood, bamboo, plastic or metal: we just call a physician and have the offending object removed. According to Shakya the Muni, this life is marked by suffering, (samsara). Kapila and Patanjali agree with this. Based on this mark, the historical Buddha formulated an Eightfold Path leading to liberation from the round of becoming. In ancient India this was called Yoga, that is, imortality and freedom, and was developed as a way to free oneself from suffering, not by the grace of a Creator God or through the machinations of a demi-urge, but by the sheer efforts of the individual based on his or her own willpower. The idea that man can liberate himself through his own initiative (yoga) is the great contribution of the sages of Mother India. Yoga Philosophy does not agreee with the idea of fate or predestination, rather it is based on volition, action (karma), and the principle that if
[FairfieldLife] Re: Attila the Hun
Let me interject a piece of wisdom from Thomas Merton: God is infinite and at the same time He or She is NOT.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The TMers Pledge
And what of Mararishi's oath to us? You know, that promise all of us thought was made by him to be pure, honest, whole, wise, loving, expansive, simple, scientific, scholarly, traditional, ancient, and enlightened? This is excellent Edg. Promises go both ways in non abusive relationships. I think if we had been a bit older we could have seen that he was just winging it all and not take it all so seriously. But youth wants absolutes and he served us a plate full! I remember Vincent Snell in Yugoslavia telling me that MMY tends to be overly optimistic, with a wry, knowing look. I didn't get it then, but I do now. He wasn't a kid when he met MMY, so he had the salt shaker of age to see MMY in more realistic terms. He broke his promises, all of them to some degree, to us long, long, decades ago, when money became the TMO's bottom line. My new pet theory is that MMY was trying to re-create the grandeur that he felt in Joitir Math with Guru Dev. He was locked out of that possibility by caste, so he created his own kingdom with golden hats and the showy splendor of his youth. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Richard J. Williams wrote: That some bowed down and recited an oath and some signed a pledge, collected money for instruction, and then, after thirty years, went on the internet to spread rumors about their guru's private sex life, and denied their own complicity, and bashed the Marshy when he got to be over ninety years old and they felt they didn't need him anymore? Edg: And what of Mararishi's oath to us? You know, that promise all of us thought was made by him to be pure, honest, whole, wise, loving, expansive, simple, scientific, scholarly, traditional, ancient, and enlightened? He broke his promises, all of them to some degree, to us long, long, decades ago, when money became the TMO's bottom line. I vote that we all write letters to Maharishi to make Richard an honorary party hat guy. Oh, wait, it seems Richard already thoroughly thinks that that has already happened. Richard, does ya wear the crown proudly in yer jammys? Edg
[FairfieldLife] Being blissful, it will never decay
GGN-Daily quote [EMAIL PROTECTED] `The Unified Field is the inner reality of every one of the six billion people of the world. All have the same Atma, which is blissful in its character. Being blissful, it will never decay, because that is the climax of existence.' Maharishi Celebrating the First Month of Global Raam Raj 28 August 2007 MERU Holland
[FairfieldLife] Maharishi's secret!
It appears MMY will be going to the grave without revealing where the mantras came from, how they were formulated and if there is any traditional lineage, aka a Parampara (see below). Without this central knowledge we must assume TM, as taught, is something MMY thought up on his own, which is OK, (why doesn't he just spit it out???) but hardly qualifies as a tradition, apparently the tradition of TM has been lost, if not...where's the beef, the lineage, what did Guru Dev practice? Did he give TM to MMY? This should be part of the written record BEFORE MMY passes! :-( P.S. To me it is unconscionable to leave this central fact unknown!! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parampara
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The view from up here
On Jan 18, 2008, at 4:13 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote: The view from up here Angela Mailander wrote: Is that hill you live on, Richard, physical? So, you don't have all the answers! It looks pretty physical to me, but you are supposed to read the message BEFORE you ask questions, Angela. http://www.rwilliams.us/view/ Where's the bridge?
[FairfieldLife] Re: The view from up here
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The view from up here Angela Mailander wrote: Is that hill you live on, Richard, physical? So, you don't have all the answers! It looks pretty physical to me, but you are supposed to read the message BEFORE you ask questions, Angela. Deduct two points for lack of ability to understand subtext. Angela gets two points for putting her finger on the problem with her question. http://www.rwilliams.us/view/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Attila the Hun
On Jan 18, 2008, at 8:39 PM, Ben Gilberti wrote: Thanks Sal. I felt you were just goofing. but I'm new here and can easily blunder, so I thought it might be wise to check. Thanks for your thoughtful assurance. To be fair, Ben, I should probably mention that I have no idea what half the conversations here are about, but, like a few others, I mainly hang out for the ride, wherever it may go. So hop aboard. :) Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Attila the Hun
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ben Gilberti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi folks. I hope you like this. I worked my silly butt off refining it for 12 hours last night, obsessive nut that I am. One way Ben. Somehow expects others to read all his stuff. Doesn't seem he reads any replies. Is he a spammer?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Suggestings on handling utter dissolution?
--- The Secret [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I started to shake and then while shaking entered utter dissolution. I got all of us to our destination safely. I don't know if I experienced a step back or forward. I also don't quite get how I could feel totally dissolved and yet describe the experience to the men as I drove. The dissolution doesn't seemed to have disappeared. It feels like the dissolution is always there and I just don't place my attention on it. It appears that there's a flip flop between being aware of the dissolution and feeling and seeing infinite love and I'm infinite and everything is infinite and no matter where I look I see people, animals and things but simultaneously see myself looking back at me. Frankly I prefer the infinite love thing a lot more than just the infinite thing. The dissolution is the withdrawal of consciousness from any relative vehicle. It is pure emptiness. Very, very distressful for the mind because of the mental habit of feeling a relative self. It is what MMY describes as CC, cosmic consciousness. Not quite what the mind anticipated while in waking state! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Attila the Hun
What gave you that idea, Steve? I read all the replies, and I've replied to some. If I'm doing something offensive let me know and I'll get in line. I'm new here and hence likely to blunder. If I turn out to be hopeless, well then I'll move on. I'm a bit of a nut, so I don't always work out. lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ben Gilberti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi folks. I hope you like this. I worked my silly butt off refining it for 12 hours last night, obsessive nut that I am. One way Ben. Somehow expects others to read all his stuff. Doesn't seem he reads any replies. Is he a spammer? - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Which MASS MURDERER will you vote for? (Bill Clinton's presidential years)
Yeah, it's a bummer when someone comes to Rick's party with such a tense shrill voice as mine, but, geeze, Richard at any party with the poses he assumes would be laughed at in unison by all members of the party until he left -- oh, he just got under my radar with his priestly ways combined with his war monger insensitivities. Nothing harder to be than a droning annoyance, but someone has to at least symbolically stand up for a core principle every now and then. Cut me a break and allow me to think of it as calibrating the mindset here. I eventually shut up about most of my issues here, just examine the record. I don't know how many more lashings I can deliver without breaking into snoring, so Lurk, in honor of your posts being so damned good, I'll officially put to bed any harranguing of Richard -- except if he tries to goad me, and then I expect you to say, Sic 'im, Edg. Deal? ;-) Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Edg, You know I love you like a brother, but this rant kinda reminds me of Dr. Bonner's rant on the liquid soap. Not that it's not important, or valid, but I wonder if you're just writing it for your own benefit at this point. I admire the fact that there seems to be diminution in the energy needed to write page after page of essentially the same message. Or maybe I just don't have the attention span to read it time after time. I certainly have no solution to solving these problems other than trying to have a positive effect in my limited sphere of influence. And of course voting. -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Clinton fiddled while Africa burned. He's Nero not hero. Whatever gains that the people seem to get during any president's leadership are bought with BLOOD MONEY -- give the masses a little, and then take a lot of their lives, wealth, and future wealth, and while doing it, brainwash their children to be sure that this abuse will continue. Kucinich on his first day as president will be scrambling to stop killing in the name of America, but even he will have to suffer children being killed for oil on his watch. Clinton and every president before him was oblivious to where their presidential powers could do the most good and obsessed where their powers could be increased. The world is run by MURDERERS who wrap themselves in a flag, who arm themselves with a religious dogma, who take the best and deepest hopes of decent, hardworking, long suffering common folks and leverage these hopes into boondoggles, pork barrels and windfalls for themselves while the people fade closer and closer to a perfectly un-empowered slavery. Give me a president who makes the whole of the military into a peace corps. Here's a sampling of what presidents do with the power we give to them -- they become MASS MURDERERS. http://tinyurl.com/2blb3d -- War mongers advice top Democrat candidates. http://tinyurl.com/2hqstd -- President Ford supports the killing of 1/3 of the people of East Timor. http://tinyurl.com/ysndtl -- President Reagan was behind the MASS MURDERING of 200,000. Who can be calm about this? Every single one of us was raised by our parents and schools and society in general to be kind and understanding and for the greater good of civilization -- every single one of us was educated about the horrors of the Nazi death camps. Every single one of us was brainwashed to stand up and be counted in the face of genocidal murderers. In fact, we are told that we are as guilty as the actual killers if we take an order from a murderous leader to kill, because such an order would be an axiomatic sin against humanity/nature that stains a soul forever. If you ask the common person on the street what they'd do if they found out that a mile away from their home was a camp which was gassing and burning Americans, the common response would be that they'd do something about it in short order, and any cop or politician or leader of any sort that suggested that they should turn a blind eye would be considered equally guilty abettors of death. What would you do if you had just such a challenge, if you could smell the smoke of carnage in your neighborhood, could see the mothers and children entering the camps by the truckload? Don't answer, I already know that you'd be raising a rabble to storm those gates of hell. Yet, within the next year, all of us are expected to approve and honor the next mass murderer who has enough money to buy the media to delude the people, and then call it sacred democracy at work. What do you call it when two wolves and a lamb decide what to have for dinner? Answer: democracy. What we want is a republic that addresses the concerns of all the people by supporting the basic core morals of antiquity -- not a
Re: [FairfieldLife] Attila the Hun
I know. It all tends to be mind-bending. Seems just the nature of the beast. Whenever I write something myself, I try like the devil to make it so crystal clear that anyone out of highschool could easily understand it. Yet for reasons that still escape me, that very rarely happens. I'd say 5% find it coherent, and the rest, if they comment at all, in one way or another tell me I'm full of shit; sometimes very nicely, sometimes rather brutally, but the message is the same -- I'm full of shit. -- Ben Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 18, 2008, at 8:39 PM, Ben Gilberti wrote: Thanks Sal. I felt you were just goofing. but I'm new here and can easily blunder, so I thought it might be wise to check. Thanks for your thoughtful assurance. To be fair, Ben, I should probably mention that I have no idea what half the conversations here are about, but, like a few others, I mainly hang out for the ride, wherever it may go. So hop aboard. :) Sal - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Attila the Hun
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ben Gilberti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What gave you that idea, Steve? I read all the replies, and I've replied to some. If I'm doing something offensive let me know and I'll get in line. I'm new here and hence likely to blunder. If I turn out to be hopeless, well then I'll move on. I'm a bit of a nut, so I don't always work out. My bad, Ben. Thanks for the come back. I hope you stick around. lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ben Gilberti b7gilberti@ wrote: Hi folks. I hope you like this. I worked my silly butt off refining it for 12 hours last night, obsessive nut that I am. One way Ben. Somehow expects others to read all his stuff. Doesn't seem he reads any replies. Is he a spammer? - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Which MASS MURDERER will you vote for? (Bill Clinton's presidential years)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll officially put to bed any harranguing of Richard -- except if he tries to goad me, and then I expect you to say, Sic 'im, Edg. Deal? Edg, who could not love you? I really mean it. Christ, someone actually ready to lay down arms instead of ready to fight. Awesome.
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