[FairfieldLife] Re: Which MASS MURDERER will you vote for? (Bill Clinton's presidential years)

[TurquoiseB]

I'll suggest another reason why it's not a grand
idea to get involved with Willy's trolls. Duh,
it's because they're TROLLS. They are intended 
to suck you into his mindstate, and cause you to
do what he does -- rant so that he can FEEL 
something. Anything.

I've ranted myself on this forum about ranting,
and about righteous anger, and this is another
one of those rants, I guess. :-) It seems to me
that Richard is a splendid example of that genus
that is so representative of the U.S. these days,
Americanus Redneckus Indignitatus.

Such folks have to some extent lost the ability
to appreciate the subtle emotions, and in many
cases, to feel much at all. So to jumpstart the
emotion that is lacking in their lives, they pick
a topic and rant about it, generating a flow of
cheap emotion, usually in the form of righteous
indignation or anger. They're morally *offended* 
by something, and that process of taking offense 
is their way of *simulating* the emotions that 
they no longer feel naturally.

As such, I guess it's as good a way of getting 
through the day as any other, except in one respect.
When someone else *falls* for the rant, and joins
in to create an anti-rant rant, *they* have been 
snookered into wearing the same mindstate. 

As far as I can tell, Willy's *intent* (in the
Castanedan sense of that word) is to suck other
people into his low mindstates. That, for whatever
reason, is what gets him off. He can't feel much
of anything unless he works up a good moral indig-
nation Jones and rants about it, and he's trying
to get other people to do the same, so that he
has someone to talk to on his own level. 

I think it's easier just not to fall for it in
the first place. I feel for the guy, but I really
don't like the conversations he generates here,
because they're just so LOW VIBE, man. He pokes
and prods and tries to get people to get as morally
indignant as he is, and defend things that should
never have to be defended. Shemp does exactly the
same thing. And if people fall for it, they get
to rant and feel good for a few moments because
*they're* flying high on the drug of righteous 
indignation, too. But it's a cheap high, like
street crack, and just as debilitating in the
long run.

Better to just let him rant and put his fake 
emotions on display, and reserve your own for
things that inspire the uplifting emotions rather
than the lower ones, IMO. You're an emotion writer,
Edg. You're at your best when you work up a good
emotional Jones about something and aim it in a 
certain direction. But when you aim it in the 
direction of one of Willy's subjects, you're IME
pissing into the wind and wondering afterwards
why you're all covered in piss. Pick subjects that
inspire higher emotions in you than righteous
anger, and I suspect that not only will people
respond more positively to what you write, YOU
will feel better after writing it than you do
when you get sucked into one of these redneck
troll thangs.

Just my opinion, which probably doesn't carry much
weight around here, and shouldn't.  :-)


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Yeah, it's a bummer when someone comes to Rick's party with such a
 tense shrill voice as mine, but, geeze, Richard at any party with the
  poses he assumes would be laughed at in unison by all members of the
 party until he left -- oh, he just got under my radar with his
 priestly ways combined with his war monger insensitivities.  
 
 Nothing harder to be than a droning annoyance, but someone has to at
 least symbolically stand up for a core principle every now and then. 
 Cut me a break and allow me to think of it as calibrating the mindset
 here.
 
 I eventually shut up about most of my issues here, just examine the
 record.  I don't know how many more lashings I can deliver without
 breaking into snoring, so Lurk, in honor of your posts being so damned
 good, I'll officially put to bed any harranguing of Richard -- except
 if he tries to goad me, and then I expect you to say, Sic 'im, Edg.
  Deal?
 
 ;-)
 
 Edg
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000
 steve.sundur@ wrote:
 
  
  Edg, You know I love you like a brother,  but this rant kinda
reminds me
  of  Dr. Bonner's rant on the liquid soap.  Not that it's not
important,
  or valid, but I  wonder if you're just writing it for your own benefit
  at this point.  I admire the fact that there seems to be diminution in
  the energy needed to write page after page of  essentially the same
  message.   Or maybe I just don't have the attention span to read
it time
  after time.   I certainly have no solution to solving these  problems
  other than trying to have a positive effect in my limited sphere of
  influence.  And of course voting.
  
-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote:
  
   Clinton fiddled while Africa burned. He's Nero not hero.
  
   Whatever gains that the people seem to get during any president's
   leadership are bought 

[FairfieldLife] Re: A rare and exclusive shopping mall

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susmita [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 If you are finding something rare and exclusive to shop for
yourself, your home, your love one.
   That this the best site to visit. 
   Click here
   Happy shopping.

This is a fascinating concept.  A place where I can send money and you
will send me stuff.  And on the Internet too, how convenient.  Do you
accept Raams?






 

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[FairfieldLife] Re: A rare and exclusive shopping mall

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susmita vishal3y@ wrote:
 
  If you are finding something rare and exclusive to shop for
  yourself, your home, your love one.
  That this the best site to visit. 
  Click here
  Happy shopping.
 
 This is a fascinating concept.  A place where I can send money 
 and you will send me stuff.  And on the Internet too, how 
 convenient.  Do you accept Raams?

It's even more fascinating if you click on the
link and see what they sell. The credo of the
site is Your partner in devotion. They sell
bhakti supplies. So technically, it's not really
a spam here -- some folks might actually be
in the market for some of the things they sell,
and for all we know their prices are competitive.

They allow you to sort the products by price
range, but judging from the numbers, the prices
are in rupees, not Raams.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Which MASS MURDERER will you vote for? (Bill Clinton's presidential years)

[Angela Mailander]

My mom used to indulge in rants against the common and ubiquitous Americanus 
Redneckus Indignitatus, and, I might add, Bellicosus.  She'd have loved your 
scientific term for them.  She'd always end these rants with They deserve a 
war on their own soil.  And my stepfather used to add, And we'll get it if we 
keep it up.  My mom never got it.  


Seriously, Turq, they can't help it.  It's unemployed and excessive 
testosterone combined with an education worthy of a sheep that aims for an 
America-Ueber-Alles attitude.  

- Original Message 
From: TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 2:26:18 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Which MASS MURDERER will you vote for?  (Bill 
Clinton's presidential years)









  



I'll suggest another reason why it's not a grand

idea to get involved with Willy's trolls. Duh,

it's because they're TROLLS. They are intended 

to suck you into his mindstate, and cause you to

do what he does -- rant so that he can FEEL 

something. Anything.



I've ranted myself on this forum about ranting,

and about righteous anger, and this is another

one of those rants, I guess. :-) It seems to me

that Richard is a splendid example of that genus

that is so representative of the U.S. these days,

Americanus Redneckus Indignitatus.



Such folks have to some extent lost the ability

to appreciate the subtle emotions, and in many

cases, to feel much at all. So to jumpstart the

emotion that is lacking in their lives, they pick

a topic and rant about it, generating a flow of

cheap emotion, usually in the form of righteous

indignation or anger. They're morally *offended* 

by something, and that process of taking offense 

is their way of *simulating* the emotions that 

they no longer feel naturally.



As such, I guess it's as good a way of getting 

through the day as any other, except in one respect.

When someone else *falls* for the rant, and joins

in to create an anti-rant rant, *they* have been 

snookered into wearing the same mindstate. 



As far as I can tell, Willy's *intent* (in the

Castanedan sense of that word) is to suck other

people into his low mindstates. That, for whatever

reason, is what gets him off. He can't feel much

of anything unless he works up a good moral indig-

nation Jones and rants about it, and he's trying

to get other people to do the same, so that he

has someone to talk to on his own level. 



I think it's easier just not to fall for it in

the first place. I feel for the guy, but I really

don't like the conversations he generates here,

because they're just so LOW VIBE, man. He pokes

and prods and tries to get people to get as morally

indignant as he is, and defend things that should

never have to be defended. Shemp does exactly the

same thing. And if people fall for it, they get

to rant and feel good for a few moments because

*they're* flying high on the drug of righteous 

indignation, too. But it's a cheap high, like

street crack, and just as debilitating in the

long run.



Better to just let him rant and put his fake 

emotions on display, and reserve your own for

things that inspire the uplifting emotions rather

than the lower ones, IMO. You're an emotion writer,

Edg. You're at your best when you work up a good

emotional Jones about something and aim it in a 

certain direction. But when you aim it in the 

direction of one of Willy's subjects, you're IME

pissing into the wind and wondering afterwards

why you're all covered in piss. Pick subjects that

inspire higher emotions in you than righteous

anger, and I suspect that not only will people

respond more positively to what you write, YOU

will feel better after writing it than you do

when you get sucked into one of these redneck

troll thangs.



Just my opinion, which probably doesn't carry much

weight around here, and shouldn't.  :-)



--- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] . wrote:



 Yeah, it's a bummer when someone comes to Rick's party with such a

 tense shrill voice as mine, but, geeze, Richard at any party with the

  poses he assumes would be laughed at in unison by all members of the

 party until he left -- oh, he just got under my radar with his

 priestly ways combined with his war monger insensitivities.  

 

 Nothing harder to be than a droning annoyance, but someone has to at

 least symbolically stand up for a core principle every now and then. 

 Cut me a break and allow me to think of it as calibrating the mindset

 here.

 

 I eventually shut up about most of my issues here, just examine the

 record.  I don't know how many more lashings I can deliver without

 breaking into snoring, so Lurk, in honor of your posts being so damned

 good, I'll officially put to bed any harranguing of Richard -- except

 if he tries to goad me, and then I expect you to say, Sic 'im, Edg.

  Deal?

 

 ;-)

 

 Edg

 

 --- In FairfieldLife@ 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Attila the Hun

[Sal Sunshine]

On Jan 18, 2008, at 11:36 PM, Ben Gilberti wrote:

Whenever I write something myself, I try like the devil to make it  
so crystal clear that anyone out of highschool could easily  
understand it.  Yet for reasons that still escape me, that very  
rarely happens.  I'd say 5% find it coherent, and the rest, if they  
comment at all, in one way or another tell me I'm full of shit;  
sometimes very nicely, sometimes rather brutally, but the message  
is the same -- I'm full of shit.


Well, Ben, in that case you should fit right in here with no  
problem.  Join the crowd. :)


Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: Which MASS MURDERER will you vote for? (Bill Clinton's presidential years)

[Duveyoung]

lurkernomore20002000 wrote: Edg,  who could not love you?  I really
mean it.   Christ,  someone actually ready to lay down arms instead of
ready to fight.  Awesome.

Edg:

Oh, it was getting old; 'tweren't nuttin'aw shucksshuffle foot
shuffle foot...sniff.

Consider the opposite: those who come here with a cheery message of
how to be happy only to fine that they've triggered an avalanche of
derision.  I feel sorry for the likes of Ben -- arriving here with
love in his heart and smoke and flames coming off his keyboard cuz
he's typing so hard and fast.  

Maybe FFL is like a gang that you have to fight your way into, and
everyone has to undergo this trial by fire before they can be, you
know, regulars here. 

I feel regular now that I've had so many bowel movements here 

Ahem, couldn't resist the pun.

Ben, put up yer dukes -- smack back with precision word strikes --
engage one of us, say, Judy, to show your mettle to us.  Do this at
your peril, cuz she'd work you into a spiritual sweat, and surviving
that, we'd all pat you on the back and offer you a drink at our
private bar in the back room of Rick's house.

If anyone wants to pick a life supporting topic for me to sermonize
about without nary a hint of negativity, try me -- I'll accept it as
partial penance for all the roiling and sullying I'm responsible for.

Like this topic: spiritual trikking!  Yeah, that's the ticket!

Edg

[FairfieldLife] 12-story tower in Fairfield

[dhamiltony2k5]

Fairfield Meditating community to build 12-story tower complex.

According to front page press-release article of The Fairfield Ledger 
(Jan 17,2008 edition), 

the project of a twelve story building flanked with two large buildings 
has been inaugurated, offered as a gift by John Hagelin, raja of the 
United States.  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Attila the Hun

[ruthsimplicity]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ben Gilberti [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
.  Another way, which combines well with meditation,
 is to listen to the following two hour lectures, one at a time, in
 sequence.  You don't have to listen to all nine of them.  When
 you're sure God is all there is (and you'll know it when you
 are), then you're done, and so then you don't have to listen to
 any more down on the list.

Maybe some people get the understanding you speak of (though I wouldn't
phrase it as god is all there is) from meditation.  I don't.  I also
don't get it from reasoning (lectures).  In fact, I doubt anyone gets
there through reason.  But I do get the taste of oneness from
experiences of music and poetry, which is a better language in my mind
than the language of reason.

[FairfieldLife] Re: 12-story tower in Fairfield

[Duveyoung]

Ah, just where did Hag get that much money that he'd donate that much
money?  Is this a proof that Hag's on the Girish payroll?

Sounds like something that could cost a wholebunchalotta.

And this gift comes when they're begging for winter clothes for the
pundits?  Where was Hag's heart then?  We need a tower complex in FF
more than paid teachers and free tuitions to all kids?

Fuck.

Edg

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Fairfield Meditating community to build 12-story tower complex.
 
 According to front page press-release article of The Fairfield Ledger 
 (Jan 17,2008 edition), 
 
 the project of a twelve story building flanked with two large buildings 
 has been inaugurated, offered as a gift by John Hagelin, raja of the 
 United States.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Attila the Hun

[Ben Gilberti]

That's best, what you've chosen -- you're blessed you can make contact in that 
way.  Not everyone can. But I think it's better than anything else for those 
who can do it. 

ruthsimplicity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ben Gilberti [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
. Another way, which combines well with meditation,
 is to listen to the following two hour lectures, one at a time, in
 sequence. You don't have to listen to all nine of them. When
 you're sure God is all there is (and you'll know it when you
 are), then you're done, and so then you don't have to listen to
 any more down on the list.

Maybe some people get the understanding you speak of (though I wouldn't
phrase it as god is all there is) from meditation. I don't. I also
don't get it from reasoning (lectures). In fact, I doubt anyone gets
there through reason. But I do get the taste of oneness from
experiences of music and poetry, which is a better language in my mind
than the language of reason.



 

   
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The TMers Pledge

[Marek Reavis]

Comment below:

**

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  And what of Mararishi's oath to us?  You know, that promise all 
of us
  thought was made by him to be pure, honest, whole, wise, loving,
  expansive, simple, scientific, scholarly, traditional, ancient, 
and
  enlightened?
 
 This is excellent Edg.  Promises go both ways in non abusive
 relationships.  I think if we had been a bit older we could have 
seen
 that he was just winging it all and not take it all so seriously.  
But
 youth wants absolutes and he served us a plate full!  I remember
 Vincent Snell in Yugoslavia telling me that MMY tends to be overly
 optimistic, with a wry, knowing look.  I didn't get it then, but 
I do
 now.  He wasn't a kid when he met MMY, so he had the salt shaker of
 age to see MMY in more realistic terms.
 
   
  He broke his promises, all of them to some degree, to us long, 
long,
  decades ago, when money became the TMO's bottom line.
 
 My new pet theory is that MMY was trying to re-create the grandeur
 that he felt in Joitir Math with Guru Dev.  He was locked out of 
that
 possibility by caste, so he created his own kingdom with golden 
hats
 and the showy splendor of his youth.
 
**snip to end**

Curtis, this last paragraph of yours (above) sounds about right to 
me.  One thing that always bothered me (particularly as an artist) 
was just how unappealing Maharishi's aesthetics were.  Of course, in 
matters of taste there can be no dispute, and Maharishi comes out of 
a popular culture of excess and grandiosity, which I can personally 
really get into; but the aesthetic of the TMO is a peculiar amalgam 
of rococo and blandness that has neither elegance nor power, and it 
comes directly from Maharishi, of course.  It's not even as 
interesting as what Trump does, or what you'd see in an old-time 
Masonic temple, nor as scarily Mussolini-esqe as Scientology's take 
on pomp, pageantry and power (check out the set in this 24-second 
video of Tom C. at a Scientology awards ceremony: 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/16/tom-cruise-scientology-
vi_n_81773.html   or http://tinyurl.com/2ygu6s  ).  Those guys 
are following the take-no-prisoners, all-glory-to-the-reich, fascist-
style credo and putting some serious money behind it (and check out 
those snappy military salutes!).

Anyway, as you point out, Maharishi apparently just wanted to be 
around pomp and ceremony and as many shiny things as possible; and, 
unfortunately, just like so many folks who amass gobs of money and 
need to show it.  That doesn't jibe with my own sense of elegant 
design, and to me seems to be a contradiction to the appealing 
simplicity of his original message and the elegance of the 
meditation itself.

Thanks for all your postings; haven't posted much myself recently 
just because you and several others here have been articulating far 
better than I could my own feelings and thoughts.  I'm more or less 
a Curtis dittohead.

Marek

[FairfieldLife] Re: 12-story tower in Fairfield

[ruthsimplicity]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 And this gift comes when they're begging for winter clothes for the
 pundits?  Where was Hag's heart then?  We need a tower complex in FF
 more than paid teachers and free tuitions to all kids?

 Fuck.

 Edg

Edg, you wanted to do something good and positive.  Tell me where they
are begging for winter clothes for the pundits and I will send some.  I
have a ton of winter clothing around suitable for young men.

[FairfieldLife] Re: 12-story tower in Fairfield

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Edg, you wanted to do something good and positive.  Tell me where 
 they are begging for winter clothes for the pundits and I will 
 send some. I have a ton of winter clothing around suitable for 
 young men.

Uh...what have you done with all the young men?

:-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Which MASS MURDERER will you vote for? (Bill Clinton's presidential years)

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'll suggest another reason why it's not a grand
 idea to get involved with Willy's trolls. Duh,
 it's because they're TROLLS. They are intended 
 to suck you into his mindstate, and cause you to
 do what he does -- rant so that he can FEEL 
 something. Anything.
 
 I've ranted myself on this forum about ranting,
 and about righteous anger, and this is another
 one of those rants, I guess. :-) It seems to me
 that Richard is a splendid example of that genus
 that is so representative of the U.S. these days,
 Americanus Redneckus Indignitatus.

Nah. Willytex is sui generis. He trolls because
he gets off on watching *other* people rant. He
particularly likes it when other people rant
*about him*.

I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if, in a
forum composed largely of right-wingers, he'd
pose as a liberal.

But he doesn't need a political context to do 
what what he does. *Whatever* he can get people
to rant about will do just fine; it's the energy
of the ranting mode itself that's his catnip, not
the particular topic.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The TMers Pledge

[Angela Mailander]

I've never seen a better critique of TMO esthetics.  You're certainly right 
about the popular culture it comes from, which I realized for the first time 
when I lived in India.  Seeing a beat-up truck decorated with all the 
glittering gods and goddesses is somehow charming.  But it loses its charm in 
the context of the TMO.  

- Original Message 
From: Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 10:36:03 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The TMers Pledge









  



Comment below:



**



--- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, curtisdeltablues 

curtisdeltablues@ ... wrote:



  And what of Mararishi's oath to us?  You know, that promise all 

of us

  thought was made by him to be pure, honest, whole, wise, loving,

  expansive, simple, scientific, scholarly, traditional, ancient, 

and

  enlightened?

 

 This is excellent Edg.  Promises go both ways in non abusive

 relationships.  I think if we had been a bit older we could have 

seen

 that he was just winging it all and not take it all so seriously.  

But

 youth wants absolutes and he served us a plate full!  I remember

 Vincent Snell in Yugoslavia telling me that MMY tends to be overly

 optimistic, with a wry, knowing look.  I didn't get it then, but 

I do

 now.  He wasn't a kid when he met MMY, so he had the salt shaker of

 age to see MMY in more realistic terms.

 

   

  He broke his promises, all of them to some degree, to us long, 

long,

  decades ago, when money became the TMO's bottom line.

 

 My new pet theory is that MMY was trying to re-create the grandeur

 that he felt in Joitir Math with Guru Dev.  He was locked out of 

that

 possibility by caste, so he created his own kingdom with golden 

hats

 and the showy splendor of his youth.

 

**snip to end**



Curtis, this last paragraph of yours (above) sounds about right to 

me.  One thing that always bothered me (particularly as an artist) 

was just how unappealing Maharishi's aesthetics were.  Of course, in 

matters of taste there can be no dispute, and Maharishi comes out of 

a popular culture of excess and grandiosity, which I can personally 

really get into; but the aesthetic of the TMO is a peculiar amalgam 

of rococo and blandness that has neither elegance nor power, and it 

comes directly from Maharishi, of course.  It's not even as 

interesting as what Trump does, or what you'd see in an old-time 

Masonic temple, nor as scarily Mussolini-esqe as Scientology' s take 

on pomp, pageantry and power (check out the set in this 24-second 

video of Tom C. at a Scientology awards ceremony: 

http://www.huffingt onpost.com/ 2008/01/16/ tom-cruise- scientology-

vi_n_81773.html   or http://tinyurl. com/2ygu6s  ).  Those guys 

are following the take-no-prisoners, all-glory-to- the-reich, fascist-

style credo and putting some serious money behind it (and check out 

those snappy military salutes!).



Anyway, as you point out, Maharishi apparently just wanted to be 

around pomp and ceremony and as many shiny things as possible; and, 

unfortunately, just like so many folks who amass gobs of money and 

need to show it.  That doesn't jibe with my own sense of elegant 

design, and to me seems to be a contradiction to the appealing 

simplicity of his original message and the elegance of the 

meditation itself.



Thanks for all your postings; haven't posted much myself recently 

just because you and several others here have been articulating far 

better than I could my own feelings and thoughts.  I'm more or less 

a Curtis dittohead.



Marek






  







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 BillyG. wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote:

  Richard J. Williams wrote:
  
  Billy wrote:


  It appears MMY will be going to the grave without revealing 
  where the mantras came from, how they were formulated and if 
  there is any traditional lineage, aka a Parampara...
 
  
  
  Billy - They all come from Guru Dev and the Sri Vidya sect of 
  Karnataka. Swami Brahmanand Saraswati was a Dasanami of the 
  Saraswati parampara, which is headquarters at Sringeri. The TM 
  mantras are inscribed on the Sri Yantra installed at Sringeri 
by 
  the Adi Shankaracharya. All the Saraswati Swamis are tantrics 
who 
  worship the Tripuransundari and belong to the Sri Vidya sect.

  As well as a lot of other yantras.  Fortunately most people here 
  including Billy don't take you as a reliable source.
 
  If Willytex is speaking for MMY, then, I accept his explaination!!
  (Since MMY isn't speaking for himself!!)

Yeah, he's not speaking for MMY.

 Don't you think if he got the method from Brahmananda Swaraswati
 he would have used that at first?  Evidence shows he didn't and 
 changed the method much later.  Most likely he picked it up 
 somewhere else from another yogi, tantric or priest.   They 
 sometimes sit around and exchange their tricks like guitarist
 trade lick concepts.

As Rick pointed out, the TM mantras are standard bija
mantras. As to the method itself, why would he have
had to pick it up from somebody else?

We certainly do have what MMY *wants* folks to 
understand, at least, about the origins of the method,
from the essay by Larry Domash in the first volume of
the Collected Papers: MMY dreamed it up himself, having
decided that the traditional teaching methods for
mantra meditation were inadequate to facilitate
effortless transcending.

RE: [FairfieldLife] 12-story tower in Fairfield

[Rick Archer]

 

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of dhamiltony2k5
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 10:14 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] 12-story tower in Fairfield

 

Fairfield Meditating community to build 12-story tower complex.

According to front page press-release article of The Fairfield Ledger 
(Jan 17,2008 edition), 

the project of a twelve story building flanked with two large buildings 
has been inaugurated, offered as a gift by John Hagelin, raja of the 
United States. 

Where is the tower (which will never be built) supposed to be? What will it
be used for?


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[FairfieldLife] Re: 12-story tower in Fairfield

[ruthsimplicity]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 There was a letter sent out asking for donations to buy winter coats
 for the pundits.  This was awhile back, so I'm expecting that that
 project was successful -- haven't heard any subsequent calls for money
 for this issue.  
 
 I'm on record that the pundit kids are indentured slaves and this need
 for coats just proves that they are not being considered as full
 humans with rights if they are allured to a wintery state without
 their clothing having been considered.  
 
 The whole pundits thing stinks -- coats, overlords keeping them
 contained behind fences, questionable fund raising for their coming
 here in the first place, and of course, if they're so pure, why the
 hearts of Hag and others haven't been melted by the bliss they're
 supposed to be generating.  
 
 Scam.
 
 Edg
 
I know they were asking for money for winter clothing.  I don't want
to give them any money, I want to see those kids get warm clothes. 
Maybe I just try to deliver a box or two.  What is to lose?  

Always asking for money.  If they cared, they would ask for what they
need and take those kinds of donations.  

[FairfieldLife] Re: The TMers Pledge

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
One thing that always bothered me (particularly as an artist) 
 was just how unappealing Maharishi's aesthetics were.  Of 
 course, in matters of taste there can be no dispute, and
 Maharishi comes out of a popular culture of excess and
 grandiosity, which I can personally really get into; but the 
 aesthetic of the TMO is a peculiar amalgam of rococo and
 blandness that has neither elegance nor power, and it 
 comes directly from Maharishi, of course.

Who isn't an artist...

I agree with your critique of the aesthetic. On the
other hand, it seems to me entirely possible that
the blandness has been intentional, an attempt to
strike a middle ground that would appeal to, or at
least not repel, the greatest number of people.

Maybe if he *were* an artist, or had access to
artists who understood what he was aiming for, the
aesthetic would have had more elegance and power,
even if restrained.

[FairfieldLife] Re: 12-story tower in Fairfield

[ruthsimplicity]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 
 Uh...what have you done with all the young men?
 
 :-)



Nibble nibble like a mouse, who is nibbling on my house  said the
witch. 

--Hansel and Gretel

[FairfieldLife] Re: The TMers Pledge

[feste37]

Have to disagree here. I don't recall MMY making any of these
promises, still less an oath. That was just your projection. When
you say all of us, you mean yourself, right?

 --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, curtisdeltablues 
 
 curtisdeltablues@ ... wrote:
 
 
 
   And what of Mararishi's oath to us?  You know, that promise all 
 
 of us
 
   thought was made by him to be pure, honest, whole, wise, loving,
 
   expansive, simple, scientific, scholarly, traditional, ancient, 
 
 and
 
   enlightened?
 
  

[FairfieldLife] Re: 12-story tower in Fairfield

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
 
  Uh...what have you done with all the young men?
  
  :-)
 
 
 Nibble nibble like a mouse, who is nibbling on my house  said the
 witch. 
 
 --Hansel and Gretel

Oh, eating them. Well, that's OK then. I was
afraid there was some hanky-panky going on...

[FairfieldLife] Re: 12-story tower in Fairfield

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I know they were asking for money for winter clothing.  I don't
 want to give them any money, I want to see those kids get warm 
 clothes. Maybe I just try to deliver a box or two.  What is to 
 lose?  
 
 Always asking for money.  If they cared, they would ask for what 
 they need and take those kinds of donations.

FWIW, the original request posted here did seem
to say donations of old clothing would also be
helpful:

Could each of us give what is financially comfortable for us -
whether it be a large amount, a coat or two, a pair of boots, some
gloves? Every item is needed, for over 550 Pandits.

Given the whole purity thing with the pandits,
however, old clothing might actually be more of
a problem than it would be worth. At the very
least, everything would have to be thoroughly
cleaned.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Attila the Hun

[feste37]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 Maybe some people get the understanding you speak of (though I wouldn't
 phrase it as god is all there is) from meditation.  I don't.  I also
 don't get it from reasoning (lectures).  In fact, I doubt anyone gets
 there through reason.  But I do get the taste of oneness from
 experiences of music and poetry, which is a better language in my mind
 than the language of reason.


Try this for a taste of oneness from poetry. It's for everyone who has
ever felt a deep truth communicated by a book. 


The House Was Quiet and the World Was Calm

The house was quiet and the world was calm.
The reader became the book; and summer night

Was like the conscious being of the book.
The house was quiet and the world was calm.

The words were spoken as if there was no book,
Except that the reader leaned above the page,

Wanted to lean, wanted much most to be
The scholar to whom the book is true, to whom

The summer night is like a perfection of thought.
The house was quiet because it had to be.

The quiet was part of the meaning, part of the mind:
The access of perfection to the page.

And the world was calm. The truth in a calm world,
In which there is no other meaning, itself

Is calm, itself is summer and night, itself
Is the reader leaning late and reading there.

-- Wallace Stevens

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Attila the Hun

[Ben Gilberti]

Very Cool!

feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  --- In 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 Maybe some people get the understanding you speak of (though I wouldn't
 phrase it as god is all there is) from meditation. I don't. I also
 don't get it from reasoning (lectures). In fact, I doubt anyone gets
 there through reason. But I do get the taste of oneness from
 experiences of music and poetry, which is a better language in my mind
 than the language of reason.


Try this for a taste of oneness from poetry. It's for everyone who has
ever felt a deep truth communicated by a book. 

The House Was Quiet and the World Was Calm

The house was quiet and the world was calm.
The reader became the book; and summer night

Was like the conscious being of the book.
The house was quiet and the world was calm.

The words were spoken as if there was no book,
Except that the reader leaned above the page,

Wanted to lean, wanted much most to be
The scholar to whom the book is true, to whom

The summer night is like a perfection of thought.
The house was quiet because it had to be.

The quiet was part of the meaning, part of the mind:
The access of perfection to the page.

And the world was calm. The truth in a calm world,
In which there is no other meaning, itself

Is calm, itself is summer and night, itself
Is the reader leaning late and reading there.

-- Wallace Stevens



 

   
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The TMers Pledge

[Duveyoung]

Judy,

Anyone with the artistic power to take Maharishi's ideas and make them
visually tasty would be long gone from the movement -- making money
like Bloomfield, Grey, DeAngelis, and Chopra.  Maharishi's nitpicking
drives away any skilled and creative types who cannot generally handle
someone making them color between another's lines.

And, from my POV, it would take a real world class artist to use such
a restricted palette with much successpossible, but it's unlikely
to inspire an artist for much more than one attempt.

I don't know where Maharishi got his taste.  Given the bright colors
of typical Indian religious art, you'd think MUM publications would
look like Hawaiian shirts made in Haiti designed by Japanese cartoonists.

Go figure.

That, and the fact that the first MIU catalog made such a big deal
about the brain vibes of the artist being echoed in the brains of the
viewers, makes you wonder why the covers of TMO publications don't
cut it intuitively like, say, gazing for the first time at, okay,
how about the Taj Mahal?  You'd think that an enlightened man's color
choices etc. would knock off our socks instead of make us shudder at
the thought of opening the book.

They said merely reading the catalog would take a person 10% more
towards enlightenment.  You know, the catalog was such a work of art,
see?   Remember that?

Geeze.

Edg



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis 
 reavismarek@ wrote:
 snip
 One thing that always bothered me (particularly as an artist) 
  was just how unappealing Maharishi's aesthetics were.  Of 
  course, in matters of taste there can be no dispute, and
  Maharishi comes out of a popular culture of excess and
  grandiosity, which I can personally really get into; but the 
  aesthetic of the TMO is a peculiar amalgam of rococo and
  blandness that has neither elegance nor power, and it 
  comes directly from Maharishi, of course.
 
 Who isn't an artist...
 
 I agree with your critique of the aesthetic. On the
 other hand, it seems to me entirely possible that
 the blandness has been intentional, an attempt to
 strike a middle ground that would appeal to, or at
 least not repel, the greatest number of people.
 
 Maybe if he *were* an artist, or had access to
 artists who understood what he was aiming for, the
 aesthetic would have had more elegance and power,
 even if restrained.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Which MASS MURDERER will you vote for? (Bill Clinton's presidential years)

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 My mom used to indulge in rants against the common and ubiquitous 
Americanus Redneckus Indignitatus, and, I might add, Bellicosus.  
She'd have loved your scientific term for them.  She'd always end 
these rants with They deserve a war on their own soil.  And my 
stepfather used to add, And we'll get it if we keep it up.  My mom 
never got it.  
 
 
 Seriously, Turq, they can't help it.  It's unemployed and excessive 
testosterone combined with an education worthy of a sheep that aims 
for an America-Ueber-Alles attitude.  

You forgot one thing; mainly young souls are asked, or told as 
children are, to incarnate in that country. 

That said, following the transmissions from Vlodrop on 
MaharishiChannel, several americans now behave and speak from a good 
level indeed. Lot's of youngsters still has to go there ofcourse, 
but there is a maturity present there now not seen before. I've met 
them occasionally on my travels in the USA, they were like fish on 
land at that point, starved for recognision as it were. 
But as Maharishis knowledge is gaing ground, so will they; slowly, 
slowly they will feel at home in that enviornment.

It's unfathomable. Beautiful in it's mystery. 

Maharishi did it.

[FairfieldLife] Re: 12-story tower in Fairfield

[ruthsimplicity]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 Given the whole purity thing with the pandits,
 however, old clothing might actually be more of
 a problem than it would be worth. At the very
 least, everything would have to be thoroughly
 cleaned.


I'll run everything through the wash first.  (Or, warsh as they say
in Iowa). But maybe Tide is tamasic. ;)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

[Bhairitu]

authfriend wrote:
 As Rick pointed out, the TM mantras are standard bija
 mantras. As to the method itself, why would he have
 had to pick it up from somebody else?
   
And I and as well as many other have LONG pointed out too.  But it is 
not unknown for yogis, tantrics and priests to exchange different 
methods of teaching meditation.
 We certainly do have what MMY *wants* folks to 
 understand, at least, about the origins of the method,
 from the essay by Larry Domash in the first volume of
 the Collected Papers: MMY dreamed it up himself, having
 decided that the traditional teaching methods for
 mantra meditation were inadequate to facilitate
 effortless transcending.
   
Yes, that is another possibility.  Archaryas have the authority to 
create mantras and meditation methods.  However I think the confusion 
here is more about when MMY credits Brahmananda Swaraswati with the 
knowledge he is referring to the philosophy as handed down in the 
Shankara tradition not the meditation technique.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The TMers Pledge

[Duveyoung]

Fester -- you still talking to me?  You talkin' to me?

Yeah, it was my projection.  A person's presentation is a deep
promise.  Come at me wearing a clown suit, and I expect laughs aplenty
-- come at me in a dhoti, and, like every fool on earth, I expect a
pure simple soul radiant with love and wisdom and charity and
inspirational words and not a single bit of interest in money.

John Black once asked me when I wondered aloud about the concept of
having a personal guru and did Maharishi fill that bill for us, Oh,
Edg, are you telling me that Maharishi isn't your guru?  

I was ashamed -- he was right -- everyone within earshot knew that
we'd accepted Maharishi as a personal guru -- not merely a teacher.

Lurk, am I to be kind to Fester too, or just Richard?

Life is so hard.

Edg

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Have to disagree here. I don't recall MMY making any of these
 promises, still less an oath. That was just your projection. When
 you say all of us, you mean yourself, right?
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, curtisdeltablues 
  
  curtisdeltablues@ ... wrote:
  
  
  
And what of Mararishi's oath to us?  You know, that promise all 
  
  of us
  
thought was made by him to be pure, honest, whole, wise, loving,
  
expansive, simple, scientific, scholarly, traditional, ancient, 
  
  and
  
enlightened?
  
  

[FairfieldLife] Re: 12-story tower in Fairfield

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  
  Given the whole purity thing with the pandits,
  however, old clothing might actually be more of
  a problem than it would be worth. At the very
  least, everything would have to be thoroughly
  cleaned.
 
 I'll run everything through the wash first.  (Or, warsh as they say
 in Iowa). But maybe Tide is tamasic. ;)

Well, I mean, *they* (the folks concerned with
maintaining the pandits' purity) would have to
have it cleaned, no matter how it came to them.

[FairfieldLife] Re: 12-story tower in Fairfield

[ruthsimplicity]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Well, I mean, *they* (the folks concerned with
 maintaining the pandits' purity) would have to
 have it cleaned, no matter how it came to them.


I understood.  I was just being silly.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
  We certainly do have what MMY *wants* folks to 
  understand, at least, about the origins of the method,
  from the essay by Larry Domash in the first volume of
  the Collected Papers: MMY dreamed it up himself, having
  decided that the traditional teaching methods for
  mantra meditation were inadequate to facilitate
  effortless transcending.

 Yes, that is another possibility.  Archaryas have the authority
 to create mantras and meditation methods.  However I think the 
 confusion here is more about when MMY credits Brahmananda 
 Swaraswati with the knowledge he is referring to the philosophy 
 as handed down in the Shankara tradition not the meditation 
 technique.

Yup. Domash's essay makes that very clear.

It's really quite a good read. The first half--
which is of the most interest--was posted to
alt.meditation.transcendental back in 1993 by
TM teacher James Cook and is still available
here:

http://tinyurl.com/34bras

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 12-story tower in Fairfield

[Angela Mailander]

I heard a rumor that if you wear hand-me-downs, you pick up the lousy karma of 
the person who's clothes you're wearing.  Any truth to that?  I don't mean the 
substance of the rumor, but is it a fact that this was stated from up on high?

- Original Message 
From: authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 11:31:34 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 12-story tower in Fairfield









  



--- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, ruthsimplicity 

ruthsimplicity@ ... wrote:

 I know they were asking for money for winter clothing.  I don't

 want to give them any money, I want to see those kids get warm 

 clothes. Maybe I just try to deliver a box or two.  What is to 

 lose?  

 

 Always asking for money.  If they cared, they would ask for what 

 they need and take those kinds of donations.



FWIW, the original request posted here did seem

to say donations of old clothing would also be

helpful:



Could each of us give what is financially comfortable for us -

whether it be a large amount, a coat or two, a pair of boots, some

gloves? Every item is needed, for over 550 Pandits.



Given the whole purity thing with the pandits,

however, old clothing might actually be more of

a problem than it would be worth. At the very

least, everything would have to be thoroughly

cleaned.






  







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RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Which MASS MURDERER will you vote for? (Bill Clinton's presidential years)

[Rick Archer]

 

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of nablusoss1008
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 11:47 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Which MASS MURDERER will you vote for? (Bill
Clinton's presidential years)

 

 Seriously, Turq, they can't help it. It's unemployed and excessive 
testosterone combined with an education worthy of a sheep that aims 
for an America-Ueber-Alles attitude. 

You forgot one thing; mainly young souls are asked, or told as 
children are, to incarnate in that country. 

Right. All the wise, old souls incarnate in Germany.


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[FairfieldLife] Re: The TMers Pledge

[feste37]

I thought that comment was from Curtis, not from you. 

Unlike many people on this board, I don't feel let down or somehow
betrayed by MMY. He gave a wonderful gift for those who were able to
receive it. 

At least you've replied without using any obscenities, so perhaps
there is some hope for you yet. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Fester -- you still talking to me?  You talkin' to me?
 
 Yeah, it was my projection.  A person's presentation is a deep
 promise.  Come at me wearing a clown suit, and I expect laughs aplenty
 -- come at me in a dhoti, and, like every fool on earth, I expect a
 pure simple soul radiant with love and wisdom and charity and
 inspirational words and not a single bit of interest in money.
 
 John Black once asked me when I wondered aloud about the concept of
 having a personal guru and did Maharishi fill that bill for us, Oh,
 Edg, are you telling me that Maharishi isn't your guru?  
 
 I was ashamed -- he was right -- everyone within earshot knew that
 we'd accepted Maharishi as a personal guru -- not merely a teacher.
 
 Lurk, am I to be kind to Fester too, or just Richard?
 
 Life is so hard.
 
 Edg
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote:
 
  Have to disagree here. I don't recall MMY making any of these
  promises, still less an oath. That was just your projection. When
  you say all of us, you mean yourself, right?
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, curtisdeltablues 
   
   curtisdeltablues@ ... wrote:
   
   
   
 And what of Mararishi's oath to us?  You know, that promise all 
   
   of us
   
 thought was made by him to be pure, honest, whole, wise, loving,
   
 expansive, simple, scientific, scholarly, traditional, ancient, 
   
   and
   
 enlightened?
   
   
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Maharishi Says: Work is Finished'

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 they look like they could be space aliens.  What a trip life is.

The jackalope is folklore; the chupacabra is
a cryptid. The trip is of the imagination, not
nature.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The TMers Pledge

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Have to disagree here. I don't recall MMY making any of these
 promises, still less an oath. That was just your projection. When
 you say all of us, you mean yourself, right?

Come to sidhaland and work as a slave for 3 years and you will master
the sidhis.  That was one that comes to mind.

6-7 years is our common experience for getting to CC

No projection, specific untrue statements.


 
  --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, curtisdeltablues 
  
  curtisdeltablues@ ... wrote:
  
  
  
And what of Mararishi's oath to us?  You know, that promise all 
  
  of us
  
thought was made by him to be pure, honest, whole, wise, loving,
  
expansive, simple, scientific, scholarly, traditional, ancient, 
  
  and
  
enlightened?
  
  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Which MASS MURDERER will you vote for? (Bill Clinton's presidential years)

[Angela Mailander]

I wish, but not the case.  I think wise old souls avoid this penal colony, I 
mean planet, altogether.  

- Original Message 
From: Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 12:27:53 PM
Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Which MASS MURDERER will you vote for?  (Bill 
Clinton's presidential years)









  












  
 





From: FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com
[mailto:FairfieldLi [EMAIL PROTECTED] com] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008

Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 11:47 AM

To: FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com

Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Which MASS MURDERER will you vote for?
(Bill Clinton's presidential years)
 







  
 







 Seriously, Turq, they can't help it. It's
unemployed and excessive 

testosterone combined with an education worthy of a sheep that aims 

for an America-Ueber- Alles attitude. 



You forgot one thing; mainly young souls are asked, or told as 

children are, to incarnate in that country. 
 










Right. All the wise, old souls incarnate in Germany.
 










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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

[Vaj]

On Jan 19, 2008, at 12:10 PM, authfriend wrote:


We certainly do have what MMY *wants* folks to
understand, at least, about the origins of the method,
from the essay by Larry Domash in the first volume of
the Collected Papers: MMY dreamed it up himself, having
decided that the traditional teaching methods for
mantra meditation were inadequate to facilitate
effortless transcending.



Oh bullshit.

You and a handful of Purushoids and Mother Diviners were the only ones  
gullible enough to swallow that line BS.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 911 into the fray again I go (of the assailing on FFL)

[Angela Mailander]

That's after you discredited yourself by continuous ad hominem attacks, nor am 
I the only person on this board to have noticed your attitude towards me.  
Nevertheless, I claim the asshole championship of this list.

- Original Message 
From: authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 1:05:34 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 911 into the fray again I go  (of the assailing on 
FFL)









  



--- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Angela Mailander 

mailander111@ ... wrote:

snip

 Are we looking for the truth or are we only interested in

 defending our own point of view? If we are looking for the

 truth, then alternative points of view have to be considered

 with more willingness of suspension of disbelief on all sides.



But I do not care what you believe, nor do I really want to

argue with you about this.  You will not change your mind,

and I will not change mine.



--Angela Mailander, January 16






  







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RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: 12-story tower in Fairfield

[Rick Archer]

 

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
Angela Mailander
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 12:24 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 12-story tower in Fairfield

 

I heard a rumor that if you wear hand-me-downs, you pick up the lousy karma of 
the person who's clothes you're wearing.  Any truth to that?  I don't mean the 
substance of the rumor, but is it a fact that this was stated from up on high?

Yes. MMY used to say that. I’ve heard him say it.


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RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: The TMers Pledge

[Rick Archer]

 

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of curtisdeltablues
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 12:51 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The TMers Pledge

 

--- In HYPERLINK
mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.comFairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Have to disagree here. I don't recall MMY making any of these
 promises, still less an oath. That was just your projection. When
 you say all of us, you mean yourself, right?

Come to sidhaland and work as a slave for 3 years and you will master
the sidhis. That was one that comes to mind.

6-7 years is our common experience for getting to CC

No projection, specific untrue statements.

Also, at the end of the Amherst course, when he was trying to convince
everyone to move to FF, he said, “If you move to Fairfield, I will assume
personal responsibility for your evolution.”


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Jan 19, 2008, at 12:10 PM, authfriend wrote:
 
  We certainly do have what MMY *wants* folks to
  understand, at least, about the origins of the method,
  from the essay by Larry Domash in the first volume of
  the Collected Papers: MMY dreamed it up himself, having
  decided that the traditional teaching methods for
  mantra meditation were inadequate to facilitate
  effortless transcending.
 
 
 Oh bullshit.
 
 You and a handful of Purushoids and Mother Diviners were
 the only ones gullible enough to swallow that line BS.

Try reading what I wrote again, nitwit. Let me
know if there are any words you don't understand.

[FairfieldLife] Re: 12-story tower in Fairfield

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 
 From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Angela Mailander
 Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 12:24 PM
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 12-story tower in Fairfield
 
  
 
 I heard a rumor that if you wear hand-me-downs, you pick up the 
lousy karma of the person who's clothes you're wearing.  Any truth to 
that?  I don't mean the substance of the rumor, but is it a fact that 
this was stated from up on high?
 
 Yes. MMY used to say that. I’ve heard him say it.

Yes it is true.

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Maharishi Says: Work is Finished'

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Peter said,
 But for a guy standing right next to them
 who's experience is different, Jesus is Lord of the
 Universe, God incarnate, the Word made flesh. Its all
 based upon the experienced reality, not the mental
 concept.
 
 Peter,
 
 I found this statement very disturbing. This sort of thinking
 leads to a great deal of delusion.
 
 Our experience of reality is completely unreliable.  27 years of
 meditation has taught me that fact.
 
 Our perceptual apparatus (eyes, ears, touch etc.) is flawed.  It 
 does not give us a complete picture of the world, it gives us at 
 best a distorted taste of something beyond our selves.
 Experienced reality is a drama, a fiction, a glimpse of reality.

And that's as close to reality as we're ever
going to get.
 
 And of course our mental concepts are just best attempts to
 fill in the blanks left by flawed perceptions.
 
 Thus, when Billy talks about his opinion of MMY.  We understand 
 this is an opinion based on his years with the TMO.

I wouldn't bet that's what BillyG understands.
It certainly isn't how he stated it; he did so
as if it were an established fact.

  No more or less valid than
 your opinion.   You can not hide behind the veil that somehow
 you are protected by experienced reality that is of a higher
 order than your neighbor.

Don't think that's what Peter was doing, actually.
Rather, it seems to me, he was saying that one
person's mental concept (e.g., somebody's definition
of the term satguru) doesn't necessarily trump
someone else's experiential reality.

 We have an moral obligation to discern as best as we can with our 
 flawed senses and big brains reality from fiction.  This is an 
 important step to our personal evolution.

There are many things in life that aren't subject
to empirical verification, such as, e.g., the
universal lordship of Jesus; or that he *wasn't*
the lord of the universe. Likewise for MMY's 
status--or not--as satguru.

[FairfieldLife] Re: 911 into the fray again I go (of the assailing on FFL)

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
 Are we looking for the truth or are we only interested in
 defending our own point of view? If we are looking for the
 truth, then alternative points of view have to be considered
 with more willingness of suspension of disbelief on all sides.

But I do not care what you believe, nor do I really want to
argue with you about this.  You will not change your mind,
and I will not change mine.

--Angela Mailander, January 16

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

[Bhairitu]

authfriend wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 snip
   
 We certainly do have what MMY *wants* folks to 
 understand, at least, about the origins of the method,
 from the essay by Larry Domash in the first volume of
 the Collected Papers: MMY dreamed it up himself, having
 decided that the traditional teaching methods for
 mantra meditation were inadequate to facilitate
 effortless transcending.
   
   
 Yes, that is another possibility.  Archaryas have the authority
 to create mantras and meditation methods.  However I think the 
 confusion here is more about when MMY credits Brahmananda 
 Swaraswati with the knowledge he is referring to the philosophy 
 as handed down in the Shankara tradition not the meditation 
 technique.
 

 Yup. Domash's essay makes that very clear.

 It's really quite a good read. The first half--
 which is of the most interest--was posted to
 alt.meditation.transcendental back in 1993 by
 TM teacher James Cook and is still available
 here:

 http://tinyurl.com/34bras
Only if Domash really even understood what he was saying.

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: 12-story tower in Fairfield

[Rick Archer]

 

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
nablusoss1008
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 1:29 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 12-story tower in Fairfield

 

--- In HYPERLINK 
mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.comFairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick 
Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 I heard a rumor that if you wear hand-me-downs, you pick up the 
lousy karma of the person who's clothes you're wearing. Any truth to 
that? I don't mean the substance of the rumor, but is it a fact that 
this was stated from up on high?
 
 Yes. MMY used to say that. I’ve heard him say it.

Yes it is true.

Hey, Nabby and I agree on something. This calls for a celebration!

 


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[FairfieldLife] Re: The TMers Pledge

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Behalf Of curtisdeltablues

 feste37 feste37@ wrote:
 
  Have to disagree here. I don't recall MMY making any of these
  promises, still less an oath. That was just your projection.
  When you say all of us, you mean yourself, right?
 
 Come to sidhaland and work as a slave for 3 years and you will 
 master the sidhis. That was one that comes to mind.
 
 6-7 years is our common experience for getting to CC
 
 No projection, specific untrue statements.
 
 Also, at the end of the Amherst course, when he was trying to
 convince everyone to move to FF, he said, If you move to 
 Fairfield, I will assume personal responsibility for your 
 evolution.

Except that these weren't the promises Feste was
referring to. He was responding specifically to
this from Edg:

And what of Mararishi's oath to us? You know, that promise all
of us thought was made by him to be pure, honest, whole, wise,
loving, expansive, simple, scientific, scholarly, traditional,
ancient, and enlightened?

[FairfieldLife] Re: The TMers Pledge

[curtisdeltablues]

 Also, at the end of the Amherst course, when he was trying to convince
 everyone to move to FF, he said, If you move to Fairfield, I will
assume
 personal responsibility for your evolution.
 
 

Finnish your MIU degree and then go to phase III after taking phase I
in Forest Academy and doing Phase II in the Summer.  Then canceling
our phase I credit so we had to pay for it again and do all of the
Phase II field work again.

3 years labor for TTC (unless the facility runs out of money and then
you have to work another 9 months. (that was my situation. 

All this is not to dig up the past. I was just responding to the idea
that commitments are two way in functional relationships. For MMY it
was always one way.  I wised up and grew up.  I was a teenager when I
got into TM and MMY was an adult.  There are many businesses run on
the naiveté of the young.  But it was no projection on my part to say
that MMY made and broke plenty of agreements with me.  



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 
 From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Behalf Of curtisdeltablues
 Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 12:51 PM
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The TMers Pledge
 
  
 
 --- In HYPERLINK
 mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.comFairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
 feste37 feste37@ wrote:
 
  Have to disagree here. I don't recall MMY making any of these
  promises, still less an oath. That was just your projection. When
  you say all of us, you mean yourself, right?
 
 Come to sidhaland and work as a slave for 3 years and you will master
 the sidhis. That was one that comes to mind.
 
 6-7 years is our common experience for getting to CC
 
 No projection, specific untrue statements.
 
 Also, at the end of the Amherst course, when he was trying to convince
 everyone to move to FF, he said, If you move to Fairfield, I will
assume
 personal responsibility for your evolution.
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

[BillyG.]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 We certainly do have what MMY *wants* folks to 
 understand, at least, about the origins of the method,
 from the essay by Larry Domash in the first volume of
 the Collected Papers: MMY dreamed it up himself, having
 decided that the traditional teaching methods for
 mantra meditation were inadequate to facilitate
 effortless transcending.

So you're saying TM is something Maharishi cooked up in his cellar in
Rishikesh? And that, of course, is part of the official
teachings/legacy of MMY.  Yes?

All I'm asking for is some clarity for posterity, will MMY be putting
this into the record?ahhh forget it!! What a half-baked org this is!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Which MASS MURDERER will you vote for? (Bill Clinton's presidential years)

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
 
  Seriously, Turq, they can't help it. It's unemployed and excessive 
 testosterone combined with an education worthy of a sheep that aims 
 for an America-Ueber-Alles attitude. 
 
 You forgot one thing; mainly young souls are asked, or told as 
 children are, to incarnate in that country. 
 
 Right. All the wise, old souls incarnate in Germany.

Your hope might be to incarnate as my wife, as stated earlier. What can 
I say when what I see is; a possebility of a life as a rat. 
Not as a celibrated friend of Ganesha, not even a rat in my future 
cellar.
But as a chased and despized one. 
You dug the hole for yourself Rich Archer. Enjoy the benefits !

[FairfieldLife] Re: The TMers Pledge

[lurkernomore20002000]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Lurk, am I to be kind to Fester too, or just Richard?  Life is so hard

Feste's kind of a drive by poster.   One comment and you see his
tailights rounding the corner.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

[BillyG.]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 However I think the confusion 
 here is more about when MMY credits Brahmananda Swaraswati with the 
 knowledge he is referring to the philosophy as handed down in the 
 Shankara tradition not the meditation technique.

Bingo!  Now will MMY be putting that into the official record, or will
all of posterity be second-guessing about it till the cows come
home..I think the later! What a Mickey Mouse
organization TM turned out to be! How sad!~

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: The TMers Pledge

[Rick Archer]

Then there was the cancelling of the ATR credit. Wasn’t that a sort of
pledge?


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[FairfieldLife] Re: 12-story tower in Fairfield

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I heard a rumor that if you wear hand-me-downs, you pick up the lousy 
karma of the person who's clothes you're wearing.  Any truth to that?  
I don't mean the substance of the rumor, but is it a fact that this was 
stated from up on high?

I can verfify this, it is a wellknown occult fact. Change your clothes 
completely every year. If this is financially difficult; every 3 years 
at least. Do not wear your old clothes.

[FairfieldLife] Fwd: Good News from Dr. Bevan Morris

[Dick Mays]

Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 13:51:16 -0600
Subject: Good News from Dr. Bevan Morris
From: Development Office [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Dear All:

The wonderful news is that Maharishi is in very deep silence here, 
and all is going very, very well, and he is listening to the World 
Congress of Rajas from time to time when he is not in complete 
silence. It is going very well! Here in Maharishi's house the 
stillness is the most profound I have ever experienced, powerful 
silence like a silver galactic ocean.


Jai Guru Dev

Dr. Bevan Morris

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Which MASS MURDERER will you vote for? (Bill Clinton's presidential years)

[Rick Archer]

 

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of nablusoss1008
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 1:48 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Which MASS MURDERER will you vote for? (Bill
Clinton's presidential years)

 

Your hope might be to incarnate as my wife, as stated earlier. 

No. the other way around. You have to be the wife.

What can 
I say when what I see is; a possebility of a life as a rat. 

Will you be a female rat? Want to open a French restaurant? (See
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0382932/)


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RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Which MASS MURDERER will you vote for? (Bill Clinton's presidential years)

[Rick Archer]

 

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of nablusoss1008
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 1:32 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Which MASS MURDERER will you vote for? (Bill
Clinton's presidential years)

 

 Right. All the wise, old souls incarnate in Germany.

Correct, as a general rule.

Ve are zee Master Race! Deutschland Uber Alles!


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[FairfieldLife] Re: 911 into the fray again I go (of the assailing on FFL)

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 That's after you discredited yourself by continuous ad hominem 
attacks, nor am I the only person on this board to have noticed your 
attitude towards me.

snicker

Sorry, but you weren't addressing me in that
quote. It was in response to somebody else who
was schooling you concerning the collapse of
the towers.

(But even if it had been me, is gross hypocrisy
a suitable response to ad hominem?)

 Nevertheless, I claim the asshole championship of this list.

Just so we're all clear.


 From: authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Angela Mailander 
 mailander111@ ... wrote:
 snip
  Are we looking for the truth or are we only interested in
  defending our own point of view? If we are looking for the
  truth, then alternative points of view have to be considered
  with more willingness of suspension of disbelief on all sides.
 
 But I do not care what you believe, nor do I really want to
 argue with you about this.  You will not change your mind,
 and I will not change mine.
 
 --Angela Mailander, January 16

[FairfieldLife] Re: Which MASS MURDERER will you vote for? (Bill Clinton's presidential years)

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 
 You forgot one thing; mainly young souls are asked, or told as 
 
 children are, to incarnate in that country. 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Right. All the wise, old souls incarnate in Germany.

Correct, as a general rule.

[FairfieldLife] Good News from Dr. Bevan Morris

[Rick Archer]

 

From: Dick Mays [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 1:58 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Fwd: Good News from Dr. Bevan Morris

 

Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 13:51:16 -0600

Subject: Good News from Dr. Bevan Morris

From: Development Office [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 

Dear All:

 

The wonderful news is that Maharishi is in very deep silence here, and all
is going very, very well, and he is listening to the World Congress of Rajas
from time to time when he is not in complete silence. It is going very well!
Here in Maharishi's house the stillness is the most profound I have ever
experienced, powerful silence like a silver galactic ocean.

 

Jai Guru Dev

 

Dr. Bevan Morris

 


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RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

[Rick Archer]

 

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Vaj
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 1:10 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

 

 

On Jan 19, 2008, at 12:10 PM, authfriend wrote:





We certainly do have what MMY *wants* folks to 
understand, at least, about the origins of the method,
from the essay by Larry Domash in the first volume of
the Collected Papers: MMY dreamed it up himself, having
decided that the traditional teaching methods for
mantra meditation were inadequate to facilitate
effortless transcending.



 

 

Oh bullshit.

 

You and a handful of Purushoids and Mother Diviners were the only ones
gullible enough to swallow that line BS.

 

Even Larry spit it up.

 


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[FairfieldLife] Re: 12-story tower in Fairfield

[Duveyoung]

Ol' Doc Elliot back in the day told me that he'd come from attending
someone who'd had an epileptic fit just moments before Elliot's coming
into Maharishi's room.  Maharishi took him to an open window and used
a big piece of cardboard to wave-off the bad vibes from
Elliotmusta been some astral cooties a'crawlin' on his shirt.

I think anyone who knows all these kinds of stories could use them as
a template for faking guruship.  You know, you get a doctor devotee
and you pull this same stunt -- he blabs it to everyone like he got a
badge of honor by having had, you, aka Maharishi, personally save
himetc.  

'Course, it takes guts; gotta hand it to Maharishi when he told
Charlie to drive through intersections at 100KPH.  But do that once,
and you've got a true believer for life who'll spout about that
incident even three decades later in Cedar Rapids if you pay him a $20
fee for it.  I paidGAWD!

Edg

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I heard a rumor that if you wear hand-me-downs, you pick up the
lousy karma of the person who's clothes you're wearing.  Any truth to
that?  I don't mean the substance of the rumor, but is it a fact that
this was stated from up on high?
 
 - Original Message 
 From: authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 11:31:34 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 12-story tower in Fairfield
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, ruthsimplicity 
 
 ruthsimplicity@ ... wrote:
 
  I know they were asking for money for winter clothing.  I don't
 
  want to give them any money, I want to see those kids get warm 
 
  clothes. Maybe I just try to deliver a box or two.  What is to 
 
  lose?  
 
  
 
  Always asking for money.  If they cared, they would ask for what 
 
  they need and take those kinds of donations.
 
 
 
 FWIW, the original request posted here did seem
 
 to say donations of old clothing would also be
 
 helpful:
 
 
 
 Could each of us give what is financially comfortable for us -
 
 whether it be a large amount, a coat or two, a pair of boots, some
 
 gloves? Every item is needed, for over 550 Pandits.
 
 
 
 Given the whole purity thing with the pandits,
 
 however, old clothing might actually be more of
 
 a problem than it would be worth. At the very
 
 least, everything would have to be thoroughly
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
 
  We certainly do have what MMY *wants* folks to 
  understand, at least, about the origins of the method,
  from the essay by Larry Domash in the first volume of
  the Collected Papers: MMY dreamed it up himself, having
  decided that the traditional teaching methods for
  mantra meditation were inadequate to facilitate
  effortless transcending.
 
 So you're saying TM is something Maharishi cooked up in his
 cellar in Rishikesh? And that, of course, is part of the
 official teachings/legacy of MMY.  Yes?

As I said, that's what Larry Domash says in his
introductory essay to the Collected Papers.

The Collected Papers were a big deal at the time,
so I think it's a reasonable assumption that Domash's
essay was approved by MMY.

 All I'm asking for is some clarity for posterity, will MMY be 
 putting this into the record?

It already *is* in the record.

What's with the lack of reading comprehension on
this forum lately??



ahhh forget it!! What a half-baked org this is!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

[BillyG.]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
 
  
  On Jan 19, 2008, at 12:10 PM, authfriend wrote:
  
   We certainly do have what MMY *wants* folks to
   understand, at least, about the origins of the method,
   from the essay by Larry Domash in the first volume of
   the Collected Papers: MMY dreamed it up himself, having
   decided that the traditional teaching methods for
   mantra meditation were inadequate to facilitate
   effortless transcending.


It's clear from the below quote (Thanks to Judy) from Domash's work
that MMY invented TM on his own! In fact at one point MMY himself
proclaims, I discovered it myself!!  :-)

At any rate, it's clear that the the Holy Tradition is not really a
tradition at all, it starts with none other than MMY himself, and we
don't even know if he's enlightened! (Nor has he claimed that he was,
to my knowledge.)


Maharishi felt
confident that this must in fact be the very same practice
referred to in ancient Vedic literature as the direct path to
that highly valued experience, in striking contrast to the
understanding of recent centuries that to experience pure
consciousness (samadhi) through meditation was necessarily an
arduous, difficult, lifelong task. It is impossible to over-
emphasize the importance of this discovery,

[FairfieldLife] Re: 12-story tower in Fairfield

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 
 From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Angela Mailander
 Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 12:24 PM
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 12-story tower in Fairfield
 
  
 
 I heard a rumor that if you wear hand-me-downs, you pick up the
lousy karma of the person who's clothes you're wearing.  Any truth to
that?  I don't mean the substance of the rumor, but is it a fact that
this was stated from up on high?
 
 Yes. MMY used to say that. I’ve heard him say it.


And I'm guessing the mechanism is cooties right?  MMY is a very
superstious guy.

 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The TMers Pledge

[feste37]

There's another way of looking at that, Lurk. I don't believe in
endless wrangling, with post after post going on about the same issue.
I make my point and allow the other person to make his or her point,
without feeling that I have to endlessly answer people in order that
my arguments should prevail. No one on this board ever changes their
mind about anything; it's just a forum that allows people to express
an opinion, that's all. One post is usually all it takes.  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote:
 
 
 Lurk, am I to be kind to Fester too, or just Richard?  Life is so hard
 
 Feste's kind of a drive by poster.   One comment and you see his
 tailights rounding the corner.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Behalf Of Vaj
 
  On Jan 19, 2008, at 12:10 PM, authfriend wrote:
 
   We certainly do have what MMY *wants* folks to 
   understand, at least, about the origins of the method,
   from the essay by Larry Domash in the first volume of
   the Collected Papers: MMY dreamed it up himself, having
   decided that the traditional teaching methods for
   mantra meditation were inadequate to facilitate
   effortless transcending.
 
  Oh bullshit.
 
  You and a handful of Purushoids and Mother Diviners were the
  only ones gullible enough to swallow that line BS.
 
 Even Larry spit it up.

Is it the phase of the moon, or what? Nobody seems
to be able to read plain English around here lately.

What exactly is unclear about We certainly do have
what MMY *wants* folks to understand, at least, about
the origins of the method?

Just what does that statement have to do with me, or
Domash, or Purusha, or Mother Divine?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 12-story tower in Fairfield

[Angela Mailander]

Thanks for the advice, Nabby.  I make my own clothes, always have, so no 
problem.

- Original Message 
From: nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 1:54:40 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 12-story tower in Fairfield









  



--- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Angela Mailander 

mailander111@ ... wrote:



 I heard a rumor that if you wear hand-me-downs, you pick up the lousy 

karma of the person who's clothes you're wearing.  Any truth to that?  

I don't mean the substance of the rumor, but is it a fact that this was 

stated from up on high?



I can verfify this, it is a wellknown occult fact. Change your clothes 

completely every year. If this is financially difficult; every 3 years 

at least. Do not wear your old clothes.






  







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[FairfieldLife] Re: The TMers Pledge

[Duveyoung]

How about:

Children who get their walking mantra at 5 years old, sitting
technique at 10 years old, will be enlightened by 18 years old.

TM initiators should think only two years for them to get to CC.

Bevan: come to FF or a nuclear war will start.

Dawn of the Age of Enlightenment

The work is done.

It all sounds like Mission Accomplished to me.

Er, now, that is.  Before, it was buttah.

Edg

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Then there was the cancelling of the ATR credit. Wasn't that a sort of
 pledge?
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Which MASS MURDERER will you vote for? (Bill Clinton's presidential years)

[Angela Mailander]

Can I be a flea on your rat's ass?

- Original Message 
From: Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 1:57:38 PM
Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Which MASS MURDERER will you vote for?  (Bill 
Clinton's presidential years)









  












  
 





From: FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com
[mailto:FairfieldLi [EMAIL PROTECTED] com] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008

Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 1:48 PM

To: FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com

Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Which MASS MURDERER will you vote for?
(Bill Clinton's presidential years)
 







  
 







Your hope might be to incarnate as my wife, as
stated earlier. 
 

No. the other way around. You have to be the wife.
 

What can 

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

[curtisdeltablues]

I am having trouble with the uniqueness claim of TM.  I'll give MMY
credit for standardizing the teaching process for his teachers. But
even the descriptions of the Jesus prayer for Christian monks (before
some of them learned TM) is very similar.  I'm really not sure the
whole concentration thing isn't just one version and effortless
practice another.  Like the noticing your breath technique that has
been around forever.  That is not a concentration.  You just go back
to noticing when you are off the breath just like the mantra.  I find
it hard to believe that plenty of Japa practicers didn't chill out
with a similar technique to TM. It may be that out of a monastic
setting the chill out aspect needs more reinforcement. 




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
  
   
   On Jan 19, 2008, at 12:10 PM, authfriend wrote:
   
We certainly do have what MMY *wants* folks to
understand, at least, about the origins of the method,
from the essay by Larry Domash in the first volume of
the Collected Papers: MMY dreamed it up himself, having
decided that the traditional teaching methods for
mantra meditation were inadequate to facilitate
effortless transcending.
 
 
 It's clear from the below quote (Thanks to Judy) from Domash's work
 that MMY invented TM on his own! In fact at one point MMY himself
 proclaims, I discovered it myself!!  :-)
 
 At any rate, it's clear that the the Holy Tradition is not really a
 tradition at all, it starts with none other than MMY himself, and we
 don't even know if he's enlightened! (Nor has he claimed that he was,
 to my knowledge.)
 
 
 Maharishi felt
 confident that this must in fact be the very same practice
 referred to in ancient Vedic literature as the direct path to
 that highly valued experience, in striking contrast to the
 understanding of recent centuries that to experience pure
 consciousness (samadhi) through meditation was necessarily an
 arduous, difficult, lifelong task. It is impossible to over-
 emphasize the importance of this discovery,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

[Angela Mailander]

I don't have the expertise to determine one way or another where the technique 
came from and whether or not MMY invented it, but when I learned to meditate in 
1946 in Germany, the technique was exactly the same as what I got with TM.  

- Original Message 
From: BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 2:07:52 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!









  



--- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, authfriend [EMAIL 
PROTECTED] wrote:



 --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Vaj vajranatha@  wrote:

 

  

  On Jan 19, 2008, at 12:10 PM, authfriend wrote:

  

   We certainly do have what MMY *wants* folks to

   understand, at least, about the origins of the method,

   from the essay by Larry Domash in the first volume of

   the Collected Papers: MMY dreamed it up himself, having

   decided that the traditional teaching methods for

   mantra meditation were inadequate to facilitate

   effortless transcending.



It's clear from the below quote (Thanks to Judy) from Domash's work

that MMY invented TM on his own! In fact at one point MMY himself

proclaims, I discovered it myself!!  :-)



At any rate, it's clear that the the Holy Tradition is not really a

tradition at all, it starts with none other than MMY himself, and we

don't even know if he's enlightened! (Nor has he claimed that he was,

to my knowledge.)



Maharishi felt

confident that this must in fact be the very same practice

referred to in ancient Vedic literature as the direct path to

that highly valued experience, in striking contrast to the

understanding of recent centuries that to experience pure

consciousness (samadhi) through meditation was necessarily an

arduous, difficult, lifelong task. It is impossible to over-

emphasize the importance of this discovery,






  







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Which MASS MURDERER will you vote for? (Bill Clinton's presidential years)

[Duveyoung]

Just so we're all clear, at this point in the conversation, a woman
with multiple PhDs is asking if she can reincarnate as a blood sucking
insect that resides on the area immediately surrounding the anus of a
rodent that once was a troll that is now Rick's next incarnation's bitch?

Just so we're all on the same page.

Continue.

Edg

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 Can I be a flea on your rat's ass?
 
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 From: Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 1:57:38 PM
 Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Which MASS MURDERER will you vote
for?  (Bill Clinton's presidential years)
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
   
  
 
 
 
 
 
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 [mailto:FairfieldLi [EMAIL PROTECTED] com] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008
 
 Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 1:48 PM
 
 To: FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com
 
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Which MASS MURDERER will you vote for?
 (Bill Clinton's presidential years)
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
   
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Your hope might be to incarnate as my wife, as
 stated earlier. 
  
 
 No. the other way around. You have to be the wife.
  
 
 What can 
 
 I say when what I see is; a possebility of a life as a rat. 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Will you be a female rat? Want to open a French
 restaurant? (See http://www.imdb. com/title/ tt0382932/ )
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Which MASS MURDERER will you vote for? (Bill Clinton's presidential years)

[Angela Mailander]

Don't you love it, Edg?  It's so elevated.  We are all there is.  I'll go down 
to being a typhus bacterium on that flea's pecker to cheers from Judy.  

- Original Message 
From: Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 2:17:44 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Which MASS MURDERER will you vote for?  (Bill 
Clinton's presidential years)









  



Just so we're all clear, at this point in the conversation, a woman

with multiple PhDs is asking if she can reincarnate as a blood sucking

insect that resides on the area immediately surrounding the anus of a

rodent that once was a troll that is now Rick's next incarnation' s bitch?



Just so we're all on the same page.



Continue.



Edg



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mailander111@ ... wrote:



 Can I be a flea on your rat's ass?

 

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 Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 1:57:38 PM

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[BillyG.]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 It already *is* in the record.
 
 What's with the lack of reading comprehension on
 this forum lately??


Alright, so you don't have to insult my intelligence! At any rate, I
think Domash's work probably cites the best evidence to support its
origin.

I wouldn't really say it's a part of the official teaching of the
TMorg. however. Long after MMY has passed and Larry Domash is
forgotten it will still have a cloud hanging over its origins, since
MMY HIMSELF hasn't bothered to put it in to the record with his own
words as official doctrine of the TMorg, without that it will always
have a cloud hanging over its origins.

Even an acknowledgement by MMY of the veracity of Domash's work
pertaining to this essential element of the tmorg's beginnings should
be essential to clear up any remaining confusion about this important
(to the tmorg) foundation!!

It's obvious very few people know where TM came from by the ignorance
expressed just on this forum, thanks to MMY and the TMorg poorly
substantiating this essential record for posterity!! Mark my words
most people probably think TM came from SBS.

MMY needs to tell everybody that he IS NOT a Guru and there is NO
parampara...it's OK, it's the truth!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parampara

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Good News from Dr. Bevan Morris

[lurkernomore20002000]

Dear All:
The wonderful news is that Maharishi is in very deep silence here,   and
all is going very, very well, and he is listening to the World  Congress
of Rajas from time to time when he is not in complete silence. It is
going very well! Here in Maharishi's house the stillness is the most
profound I have ever experienced, powerful
silence like a silver galactic ocean.  Jai Guru Dev  Dr. Bevan Morris

Kinda has that Kremlin feel just before they would start playing the
sober music indicating the passing of the President.  Up until then,
everyone was  always Going Well!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Good News from Dr. Bevan Morris

[ruthsimplicity]

-
 Dear All:



 The wonderful news is that Maharishi is in very deep silence here, and
all
 is going very, very well, and he is listening to the World Congress of
Rajas
 from time to time when he is not in complete silence. It is going very
well!
 Here in Maharishi's house the stillness is the most profound I have
ever
 experienced, powerful silence like a silver galactic ocean.



 Jai Guru Dev



 Dr. Bevan Morris



OK, I am sick of this.  For once, can't they say exactly what is going
on using plain English?

If he wants to be poetic, fine, but then give the facts.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The TMers Pledge

[Sal Sunshine]

On Jan 19, 2008, at 1:44 PM, authfriend wrote:


Except that these weren't the promises Feste was
referring to. He was responding specifically to
this from Edg:

And what of Mararishi's oath to us? You know, that promise all
of us thought was made by him to be pure, honest, whole, wise,
loving, expansive, simple, scientific, scholarly, traditional,
ancient, and enlightened?


Well you be the judge, Judy.  (Hey, Judge Judy!  Must have been a  
freudian slip.)  When you think of the present-day TMO (and even the  
one years back) do the words honest, wise and loving, immediately  
leap to mind? :)


Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: The TMers Pledge

[lurkernomore20002000]

In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 There's another way of looking at that, Lurk.   snip  One post is
usually all it takes.

A little dab'll do ya.  It's true.

[FairfieldLife] Re: 12-story tower in Fairfield

[ruthsimplicity]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Thanks for the advice, Nabby.  I make my own clothes, always have,
so no problem.


You grow your own cotton or wool?  You spin your own cloth?  Where are
the lines to be drawn?  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Good News from Dr. Bevan Morris

[Sal Sunshine]

On Jan 19, 2008, at 1:59 PM, Rick Archer wrote:


Dear All:

The wonderful news is that Maharishi is in very deep silence here,  
and all is going very, very well, and he is listening to the World  
Congress of Rajas from time to time when he is not in complete  
silence. It is going very well! Here in Maharishi's house the  
stillness is the most profound I have ever experienced, powerful  
silence like a silver galactic ocean.


(And in order to get the latest and best darshan from our beloved  
MMY, please make out your check for $__ and send it immediately  
to my personal offshore account.  We also take Mastercard, Visa,  
Paypal, etc...Hurry!  Limited time offer. )



Jai Guru Dev

Dr. Bevan Morris


Sal

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good News from Dr. Bevan Morris

[Angela Mailander]

He may wannabe poetic, but he ain't being even close.  You know that.  You 
posted a fabulous poem.

- Original Message 
From: ruthsimplicity [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 2:27:13 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good News from Dr. Bevan Morris









  





-

 Dear All:







 The wonderful news is that Maharishi is in very deep silence here, and

all

 is going very, very well, and he is listening to the World Congress of

Rajas

 from time to time when he is not in complete silence. It is going very

well!

 Here in Maharishi's house the stillness is the most profound I have

ever

 experienced, powerful silence like a silver galactic ocean.







 Jai Guru Dev







 Dr. Bevan Morris





OK, I am sick of this.  For once, can't they say exactly what is going

on using plain English?



If he wants to be poetic, fine, but then give the facts.








  







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

[Bhairitu]

Right on, you get it.

curtisdeltablues wrote:
 I am having trouble with the uniqueness claim of TM.  I'll give MMY
 credit for standardizing the teaching process for his teachers. But
 even the descriptions of the Jesus prayer for Christian monks (before
 some of them learned TM) is very similar.  I'm really not sure the
 whole concentration thing isn't just one version and effortless
 practice another.  Like the noticing your breath technique that has
 been around forever.  That is not a concentration.  You just go back
 to noticing when you are off the breath just like the mantra.  I find
 it hard to believe that plenty of Japa practicers didn't chill out
 with a similar technique to TM. It may be that out of a monastic
 setting the chill out aspect needs more reinforcement. 




 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
   
 On Jan 19, 2008, at 12:10 PM, authfriend wrote:

 
 We certainly do have what MMY *wants* folks to
 understand, at least, about the origins of the method,
 from the essay by Larry Domash in the first volume of
 the Collected Papers: MMY dreamed it up himself, having
 decided that the traditional teaching methods for
 mantra meditation were inadequate to facilitate
 effortless transcending.
   
 It's clear from the below quote (Thanks to Judy) from Domash's work
 that MMY invented TM on his own! In fact at one point MMY himself
 proclaims, I discovered it myself!!  :-)

 At any rate, it's clear that the the Holy Tradition is not really a
 tradition at all, it starts with none other than MMY himself, and we
 don't even know if he's enlightened! (Nor has he claimed that he was,
 to my knowledge.)


 Maharishi felt
 confident that this must in fact be the very same practice
 referred to in ancient Vedic literature as the direct path to
 that highly valued experience, in striking contrast to the
 understanding of recent centuries that to experience pure
 consciousness (samadhi) through meditation was necessarily an
 arduous, difficult, lifelong task. It is impossible to over-
 emphasize the importance of this discovery,

 



   

[FairfieldLife] Re: 12-story tower in Fairfield

[ruthsimplicity]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I learned how to spin and weave, but I hate those activities, and it
would take too long.  I don't make my own underwear. And I buy things
like sweats.I like making my own clothes--the fit and the styles
and the fabric is always exactly what I want.  Do you have a problem
with that?  

No problem at all.  I think it is cool that you make your own clothes.
 My comment had to do with the karma issue and whether used clothes
carry the karma of the prior wearer.  Which bugs the heck out of me. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Good News from Dr. Bevan Morris

[ruthsimplicity]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 He may wannabe poetic, but he ain't being even close.  You know
that.  You posted a fabulous poem.
 


What he is saying reminds me of Chevy Chase saying Generalissimo
Francisco Franco is still dead, but his condition is stable.













 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
 
 
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  Dear All:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  The wonderful news is that Maharishi is in very deep silence here, and
 
 all
 
  is going very, very well, and he is listening to the World Congress of
 
 Rajas
 
  from time to time when he is not in complete silence. It is going very
 
 well!
 
  Here in Maharishi's house the stillness is the most profound I have
 
 ever
 
  experienced, powerful silence like a silver galactic ocean.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  Jai Guru Dev
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  Dr. Bevan Morris
 
 
 
 
 
 OK, I am sick of this.  For once, can't they say exactly what is going
 
 on using plain English?
 
 
 
 If he wants to be poetic, fine, but then give the facts.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 12-story tower in Fairfield

[Angela Mailander]

I learned how to spin and weave, but I hate those activities, and it would take 
too long.  I don't make my own underwear. And I buy things like sweats.I 
like making my own clothes--the fit and the styles and the fabric is always 
exactly what I want.  Do you have a problem with that?  It was very odd for 
people in China that a professor at a university was making her own clothes.  I 
also design and make my own jewelry.  Made a living once selling that stuff in 
art galleries in Ohio and PA.

- Original Message 
From: ruthsimplicity [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 2:30:20 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 12-story tower in Fairfield









  



--- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Angela Mailander

mailander111@ ... wrote:



 Thanks for the advice, Nabby.  I make my own clothes, always have,

so no problem.





You grow your own cotton or wool?  You spin your own cloth?  Where are

the lines to be drawn?  






  







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: There Will Be Blood

[Bhairitu]

mainstream20016 wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 I saw this yesterday and it is now at the top of my list for film of the 
 year.  This adaptation of Upton Sinclair's Oil! is well worth seeing.  
 Daniel Day-Lewis is outstanding as the lead character.  He must have 
 studied John Huston for the role as he sounds like him throughout.  This 
 film is a great indictment of capitalism and greedy buttheads that 
 exploit it.
 http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0469494/

 



 There Will Be Blood is receiving positive press. It is released in art house 
 venues, and thus 
 unless it proves to have incredible audience response, will have minimal 
 impact.  I saw it 
 last week, and was disappointed.  The cinematography and audio was 
 illustrative of the 
 stamina and determination necessary to succeed in the mining process; most of 
 the first 
 quarter of the movie was devoid of dialogue. The cinematography and audio 
 captures the incredible struggles and grueling demands of mininggreat 
 suspense build-up in the 
 mining scenes throughout the movie.   

 However, with the early visual and sound excellence as a precursor, I was 
 very 
 disappointed with so many of the scenes that had dialogue.  Listen closely, 
 and you will 
 hear monotonous, flat volume expressions that remind you of locally produced 
 television 
 commercials.. the expressions of the characters are strained 
 I thought I was 
 watching a small-town stage production that was filmed and put to screen. 
 Awful.

 Trying to reconcile the high recommendations for this film of  quality 
 cinematography and 
 the dreadful dialogue performances, I am somewhat at a loss why the film is 
 highly 
 recommended.  In one lay review, the movie 'Raging Bull' was mentioned.  In 
 no way will 
 this movie approximate the contribution of 'Raging Bull'.  In that movie, the 
 arc of 
 character development was complete.  In TWBB, all we see is a character - 
 monotonously 
 the same throughout, except for his changing into better and better coats of 
 teflon that 
 deflect any karmic letters he is due.   Quite discouraging.
   
Whatever floats your boat.  Daniel Day-Lewis already won a Golden Globe 
for his performance.  I thought the film was a masterpiece and the best 
Paul Thomas Anderson film to date.   Maybe you saw it in a bad theater.  
I saw it in one of Cinemark's Cinearts theaters in this case a dome 
theater so the presentation was excellent and could have only been 
better if my local DLP theater was showing it.

Day-Lewis did an excellent job of suspending belief and engaging the 
audience in the character.  Anderson was wise to not use any of the 
usual A-list actors who would have broken that suspension of belief 
(Scorcese's Aviator comes to mind where you kept thinking there's so 
and so playing ..).  

Of course the film is important for our times because it dramatizes how 
ruthless some entrepreneurs can be (which was Upton Sinclair's point).  
They still are that way and are responsible for the coming collapse of 
the US economy (as well as our politicians who were buy protecting 
government and big business and not the people).  That, I predict, will 
cause a HARD pendulum swing to socialism where even small business may 
be banned (which would be bad -- just reign in the big guys).  Living in 
California I think some of the quirky laws here for small business were 
overkill going back to the Sinclairites who won office.

I did make it to Cloverfield yesterday going early enough to have my 
choice of seats in the theater.It is of course a B-movie done by the 
folks who do Lost.  I enjoyed the film as a good modern monster 
destroys a city film shot with the conceit of a 20 something with his 
consumer camcorder (and not a cellphone as some reviewers have 
mentioned).  Of course no consumer camcorder is that good and though the 
Panavision Genesis is credited on IMDB some say the handheld was done 
with the Red small camera (a professional single CCD camera).  That's 
believable as a Genesis is a little large to use in tight quarters.  I 
would say that about 1/3 of the audience stomped out disappointed in the 
film.  I think they expect a more cliche movie but that's just the 
ignorance of the masses and good film makers are moving away from such 
cliches.

[FairfieldLife] Thanks to Maharishi, Oh, and the tmorg....

[BillyG.]

..my friend calls Guru Dev his Param-Guru, and I tell him. MMY
isn't a *Guru* so how could Guru Dev be your Param-Guru? (Guru's guru)

A Guru is a very special relationship that a Sat-Guru (true realized
Guru) takes on until his chela/disciple reaches enlightenment, and
Guru's NEVER RETIRE!! MMY IS NOT A
GURU!

That's OK, but let the truth be known! TM is a simple technique MMY
gleaned from the Vedic traditions of India, it's not meant to replace
Religion (but has unfortunately for many). It's only *one part* of a
greater program for Self-unfoldment (Yoga) as prescribed by the
renowned Maharishi Patanjali of India.

It was originally a part of the hoary Vedas and Religion of India!  It
doesn't exist in a vacuum, but is sold as if it is a COMPLETE system
of unfoldment leading people to abandon Religion and other forms of
Self-discipline! What MMY has omitted from the overall teachings of TM
has been done in a deliberate and calculating manner in order to dress
up TM for modern Society and pander particularly to the scientific
community.

There's is nothing wrong with any of this, the only thing that is
wrong is its duplicity, basically it's dishonest! That is MMY's
decision and karma, I have benefited from it but that doesn't make me
a dummy...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parampara

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

[Rick Archer]

 

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of BillyG.
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 2:25 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

 

--- In HYPERLINK
mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.comFairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 It already *is* in the record.
 
 What's with the lack of reading comprehension on
 this forum lately??

Alright, so you don't have to insult my intelligence! At any rate, I
think Domash's work probably cites the best evidence to support its
origin.

What work? He just wrote an introduction to the first edition of the
collected papers, which he based upon his understanding of what Maharishi
told him. You can read an excerpt from it at HYPERLINK
http://www.learntm.co.nz/scientific_research/excerpt_vol_one.htmhttp://www
.learntm.co.nz/scientific_research/excerpt_vol_one.htm and you can buy it at
http://www.antiqbook.de/boox/haker/192507.shtml.


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  It already *is* in the record.
  
  What's with the lack of reading comprehension on
  this forum lately??
 
 Alright, so you don't have to insult my intelligence!

Reading comprehensio and intelligence are two different
things. And it's not just you, by a long shot.

[FairfieldLife] Ordering Uncounted DVD copies in a group

[Rick Archer]

For anyone interested in getting their own copy of Uncounted, Dori Ahern is
putting together a group order.  If you are interested email or phone her --
see email message below with email address and phone at the bottom.

 

Sorry, this is just for Fairfield folks, as the order will be shipped here.

  

  I already have about 6 orders from people interested in pooling with me to
buy the dvd Uncounted.  Let me know if anyone on your email list expresses
interest to you. I only need 3 more people to order a 10 pack.  It will cost
18.10 for each copy including shipping.  vs 19.95 plus 10.00 shipping if
bought separately.

 

Thank you so much for your work,

 

dori ahern

HYPERLINK mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]

203 815-2263

 


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[FairfieldLife] Re: The TMers Pledge

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 On Jan 19, 2008, at 1:44 PM, authfriend wrote:
 
  Except that these weren't the promises Feste was
  referring to. He was responding specifically to
  this from Edg:
 
  And what of Mararishi's oath to us? You know, that promise all
  of us thought was made by him to be pure, honest, whole, wise,
  loving, expansive, simple, scientific, scholarly, traditional,
  ancient, and enlightened?
 
 Well you be the judge, Judy.  (Hey, Judge Judy!  Must have
 been a freudian slip.)  When you think of the present-day TMO
 (and even the one years back) do the words honest, wise and 
 loving, immediately leap to mind? :)

Nope, but that wasn't the point...

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 12-story tower in Fairfield

[Angela Mailander]

Yes, it seems silly.I like making clothes, but it's also an Edg-type issue 
for me.  I would feel bad in expensive clothing, and cheap clothing from 
Walmart is not an option for me since I have seen the very young Chinese girls 
and how much they suffer to make those things for us.  But it's a damned if you 
do damned if you don't kind of situation until enough of us refuse to profit 
from the suffering of others.

- Original Message 
From: ruthsimplicity [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 2:49:27 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 12-story tower in Fairfield









  



--- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Angela Mailander

mailander111@ ... wrote:



 I learned how to spin and weave, but I hate those activities, and it

would take too long.  I don't make my own underwear. And I buy things

like sweats.I like making my own clothes--the fit and the styles

and the fabric is always exactly what I want.  Do you have a problem

with that?  



No problem at all.  I think it is cool that you make your own clothes.

 My comment had to do with the karma issue and whether used clothes

carry the karma of the prior wearer.  Which bugs the heck out of me. 






  







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[FairfieldLife] Re: 12-story tower in Fairfield

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I learned how to spin and weave, but I hate those activities, and it 
would take too long.  I don't make my own underwear. And I buy things 
like sweats.I like making my own clothes--the fit and the styles 
and the fabric is always exactly what I want.  Do you have a problem 
with that?  It was very odd for people in China that a professor at a 
university was making her own clothes.  I also design and make my own 
jewelry.  Made a living once selling that stuff in art galleries in 
Ohio and PA.

Fine. But those stones that have touched other peoples skin perhaps for 
years, if you resale this you participate in whatever carma these 
people have produced. It's your joy or demise, make a choise.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Behalf Of BillyG.

 authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  It already *is* in the record.
  
  What's with the lack of reading comprehension on
  this forum lately??
 
 Alright, so you don't have to insult my intelligence! At any
 rate, I think Domash's work probably cites the best evidence to 
 support its origin.
 
 What work? He just wrote an introduction to the first edition of
 the collected papers

That work, of course.

, which he based upon his understanding of what Maharishi
 told him.

You don't really imagine MMY wouldn't have read it
before it went to press, do you?

 You can read an excerpt from it at

Which doesn't tell you much, in terms of the
issue being discussed here.

But you can read the entire first half--which
*does*--at the URL I provided.

Here it is again:

http://tinyurl.com/34bras


 HYPERLINK
 http://www.learntm.co.nz/scientific_research/excerpt_vol_one.htmht
tp://www
 .learntm.co.nz/scientific_research/excerpt_vol_one.htm and you can 
buy it at
 http://www.antiqbook.de/boox/haker/192507.shtml.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 12-story tower in Fairfield

[Angela Mailander]

What are you talking about Nabby?

- Original Message 
From: nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 3:33:27 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 12-story tower in Fairfield









  



--- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Angela Mailander 

mailander111@ ... wrote:



 I learned how to spin and weave, but I hate those activities, and it 

would take too long.  I don't make my own underwear. And I buy things 

like sweats.I like making my own clothes--the fit and the styles 

and the fabric is always exactly what I want.  Do you have a problem 

with that?  It was very odd for people in China that a professor at a 

university was making her own clothes.  I also design and make my own 

jewelry.  Made a living once selling that stuff in art galleries in 

Ohio and PA.



Fine. But those stones that have touched other peoples skin perhaps for 

years, if you resale this you participate in whatever carma these 

people have produced. It's your joy or demise, make a choise.






  







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's secret!

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I don't have the expertise to determine one way or another where the 
technique came from and whether or not MMY invented it, but when I 
learned to meditate in 1946 in Germany, the technique was exactly the 
same as what I got with TM.

Unfortunately, just asserting it was exactly the
same doesn't make it so (especially at a distance
of, what, 60-some years).