[FairfieldLife] Re: You can Initiate Meditation
Let me put it this way - Marshy said: The mantra should be experienced just like any other thought. Not exact words but close enough. Include the word as effortlessly and you can put your business card in the hat for a door prize. (Abianga massage by pundit boys followed by a forceful Vodka Bhasti while listening to Queen, Live at the Apollo.) So, Marshy said that there is no difference between ordinary thinking and thinking the mantra during meditation. This concept is so basic to TM that I am starting to wonder if you were sleeping during TTC. There is no difference in the quality of effortlessness. As far as attending to the content of meaning they are completely different. And yes I did a lot of sleeping during TTC, I was practically a professional napper while in the movement. But not during tapes. There I was a compulsive note taker and have the volumes of notes to prove it. I suspect they will become really, really valuable someday...what was that? Not going to happen? Damn, not even on Vedic Ebay? Snip Snip There's no 'TM', Curtis, there is only thinking, or not. Back too the Twilight Zone huh? All meditation is transcendental, That may be true on some level I don't really know. that's the point, and everyone meditates. This is false, and weird. Only deluded people think there is a 'TM' and that it is the only way to transcend. You should know this by now. Wait a second, you are changing the point again. I agree with this. Snip According to Marshy, meditation is just like 'thinking things over' You have put this in quotes so I'm sure you can come up with the source of this misquote. I have never heard Maharishi use this phrase, ever. Marshy said: TM is based on thinking. He said this at SIMS in 1964 in front of a large audience that included Jerry Jarvis and Robert Keith Wallace - BillyG was there too, I think. First quote: 'thinking things over' Second quote: TM is based on thinking. Now can you tell me the difference between the meaning of these two statements? - no different. If it was different, he probably would have said so. He did, about one million times. If he said this one million times, he would probably have inserted it into his book, SBAL at least one time, right? Your point is so odd it is entertaining. I don't know how to respond however. [snip] Snip You may have taught people how to meditate, and they may have transcended, but my point is, that you're not very skilled in defining what it is that you taught; neither was the Marshy - I just have a knack for putting things in a nutshell. Following the precision of your previous use of language I'll just switch nutshell for nutcase right? Same thing, right? Cool let's roll with nutcase. In a lot of ways, I know more about meditation that is transcendental than the Marshy himself. This is the kind of statement that makes me love your posts Richard. It is the wild swings between grandiosity and absurdity. You can make good points too, but always with the Twilight Zone perspective ready to pop out at any moment. Good stuff. While you and the Marshy were practicing how to be a recluse, I was getting an education, raising a family, working in the world and transcending on a daily basis. I'm not at all convinced that retiring at age 22 is a very good idea, no matter how noble one's aspirations are to save the world. I'm with you here except for the part where you mention retiring at age 22? Who was that? Plus Maharishi was an advance man and event planner for a religious leader, he was working his butt off. There was the alleged two years of silence followed by building a multi million dollar empire, so calling him a recluse is a bit of a stretch. Except for the kids part he was more involved with the world than you are. But I'll bet he got laid more. It takes a contrast to make the cloth stay a certain color in the dying process. Marshy said you dip it, and bring it out to the light; you do this on a regular basis, and then then the color becomes fast. Yeah, proof by analogy. So charmingly bogus.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Superhighway to Bliss
And I don't know who this chick Grace is, but she has an awesome gig. Banged her, dumped her, got stalked for a while, changed my number, saw her in a club one more time and she looked like she was totally into meth and was skanked out fer real rel. Last I heard she was turning tricks in Atlantic City. Too bad cuz she was hot back in the the day...er...I mean night when it was a bit dark and we both were X'n heavy. I hope that bio info helps advance your discussion. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: --- Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: Altered/higher states have a neurological basis. (Not a revelation to most, but a large revelation to one enlightened soul who professes that neurology and physiology have NOTHING to do with the realization of Pure Consciousness). Well as the Buddha said, Consciousness is primary, matter is secondary. ;-) At least I'm in good company with Buddha! As usual (smarmy comment #1), new morning and his posse are confounding states of mind with pure consciousness. Not the case (swarmiji) I certainly agree that different brain functioning will bring about different conditions of mind and vice versa, but all of this has nothing to do with pure consciousness. Pure consciousness is pr ior to all conditions of matter and states of mind. This is self-evident when pure consciousness is clearly experienced. Agreed. The new morning position (NMP) is that from the kama sutra? implies that pure consciousness is conditional; Clearly not what I said nor do I agree with that. Your implication engine is malfunctioning. Again. that it is supported by brain physiology. So, a question, what happens to pure consciousness when the brain dies? That Pure consciousness or unconditioned consciousness is prior to all conditions of matter and states of mind is a given, essentially a truism. It is quite independent of any body or mind. Nothing happens to it when the brain dies. However, no dead body is realized. There are states of life that reflect unconditioned awareness and other states that do not. What ever state of awareness you presumably have currently, you did not have at birth. And your body will not have it when it is quite dead. The state was not apparent at some point. Was there any difference in your brain phsysiology after that awareness was there? But you certainly may be right Peter, that unconditioned awareness has absolutely nothing to do with brain physiology. The mechanics, as I believe you have suggested are its all Grace. The point of my original post is that this is totally at odds with enlightened contestant #2, Jim, who quite pointedly and self-assuredly revealed that reduced blood flow to the brain prevents enlightenment. Further, Jim struggled, strained, bloodied his hands and body climbing the grueling cliffs to the mountain tip. For you, it was nothing -- literally. Grace for what ever reasons, or by random chance, just zapped you. So I was simply asking, since the Enlightenment you each refer to comes about in radically different ways, on at least two dimensions (physiology and effort) might these possibly be two different things? Until clarified and the views unified, I assume they are quite different. So if they are not both pure awareness, out of curiosity, which is which? And I don't know who this chick Grace is, but she has an awesome gig. Some poor slub, finishes some grueling work, goes to his local bar, orders aa pint, puts some Bob Seger on (Like a Rock -- ironically), lights a Camel unfiltered, -- begins to pour out his troubles -- when Grace,with her magic wand zaps him. Chop wood carry water. The guy continues his routine, but now unconditioned awareness is aware of unconditioned awareness. Does Grace charge a fee? How does she pick out the worthy? Or is it more like the lottery?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Great movie-- Iron Man
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TurquoiseB Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 5:46 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Great movie-- Iron Man I don't think that Jim is faking enlightenment. I think that he really, honestly, sincerely believes that he is enlightened. And can you be absolutely certain that he isn't. What if he is? Does that rock your world in any way? Personally, I don't like the term enlightened, because it's too absolute. If you're enlightened now, then what will you be five years from now, when you have evolved further? You will be more enlightened-- Its true that enlightenment looks like a static achievement from the outside in, but it is experienced as a phase transition, distinct and noticeable, but not in any way precluding further growth. I guess it's like saying one is wealthy. Relative to whom? Of course-- depends on the aspirations of the seeker I suppose. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.1/1466 - Release Date: 5/25/2008 6:49 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: Great movie-- Iron Man
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 sandiego108@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 sandiego108@ wrote: I no more believe I am enlightened than I believe you are an idiot. And just because you believe you are enlightened doesn't mean you are. Just to clarify my above remark, I do not *believe* I am enlightened, and I do not *believe* you are an idiot. Please clarify your clarification. Are you suggesting that you know these things? Could this be the same way that you knew that Buddha said, God is love? :-) :-) :-) Rather than continuing to split hairs with me, wouldn't your time be better served coming to terms with the potential reality of your permanent realization? I recognize that it is safer and easier to distract yourself by making it all about me, when actually, it is all about you.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Great movie-- Iron Man
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Exactly. If Jim is enlightened, I want a refund for all the years I spent pursuing it. If *Maharishi* was enlightened, I want a refund for all the years I spent pursuing it. You may be helped by going back and reading the posting that has generated all of this conflict for you. And figure out why I titled it the selfishness of enlightenment. I think you like most have received some really misleading advice on the topic of enlightenment. As a final word on that I'll just say you can't put the cart before the horse, or actually you can, you just won't go anywhere.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Great movie-- Iron Man
I no more believe I am enlightened than I believe you are an idiot. And just because you believe you are enlightened doesn't mean you are. Just to clarify my above remark, I do not *believe* I am enlightened, and I do not *believe* you are an idiot. Please clarify your clarification. Are you suggesting that you know these things? Could this be the same way that you knew that Buddha said, God is love? :-) :-) :-) Rather than continuing to split hairs with me, wouldn't your time be better served coming to terms with the potential reality of your permanent realization? I recognize that it is safer and easier to distract yourself by making it all about me, when actually, it is all about you. People like you, Jim, really don't understand people like me, who have NO desire for permanent realization. Been there, done that, didn't find it that much different from non-realization. Unlike you and many others here, I have ZERO desire for permanent enlightenment. It comes, it goes, big deal. The enlightened periods are no more interesting than the non-enlightened periods. Have you ever considered the possibility that the desire for liberation is just one more desire? And, in fact, a desire that, almost by definition, takes you away from appreciation of Now. Jim, your whole act is to set yourself up as someone who can describe the goal, to lesser souls who have not achieved it but who long for it so much that they'll actually believe you're there. It wouldn't MATTER to me if you *were* there. If that were true, you would *still* have nothing to offer me, because all you are selling is just another desire, and I'm not buying. Same with ANY so-called enlightened being. They have nothing to offer me, because I'm not in the market for what they're selling. And I notice that, yet again, you dodged the question. Pussy. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Great movie-- Iron Man
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip Exactly. If Jim is enlightened, I want a refund for all the years I spent pursuing it. If *Maharishi* was enlightened, I want a refund for all the years I spent pursuing it. You may be helped by going back and reading the posting that has generated all of this conflict for you. And figure out why I titled it the selfishness of enlightenment. I think you like most have received some really misleading advice on the topic of enlightenment. As a final word on that I'll just say you can't put the cart before the horse, or actually you can, you just won't go anywhere. And you are obviously still under the delusion that there is somewhere to go, or any valid reason for wanting to.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Great movie-- Iron Man
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I no more believe I am enlightened than I believe you are an idiot. And just because you believe you are enlightened doesn't mean you are. Just to clarify my above remark, I do not *believe* I am enlightened, and I do not *believe* you are an idiot. Please clarify your clarification. Are you suggesting that you know these things? Could this be the same way that you knew that Buddha said, God is love? :-) :-) :-) Rather than continuing to split hairs with me, wouldn't your time be better served coming to terms with the potential reality of your permanent realization? I recognize that it is safer and easier to distract yourself by making it all about me, when actually, it is all about you. People like you, Jim, really don't understand people like me, who have NO desire for permanent realization. Been there, done that, didn't find it that much different from non-realization. Unlike you and many others here, I have ZERO desire for permanent enlightenment. It comes, it goes, big deal. The enlightened periods are no more interesting than the non-enlightened periods. snip I'm not sure Merriam and Webster would agree with your new definition of permanent-- it comes, it goes Doesn't sound permanent at all. Same with your take on permanent realization; been there, done that. Not really the same thing, in either case, as permanent, now is it? I am surprised as a writer that you fail to see the distinction. Unless we can agree on common use of the English language, there isn't much to discuss. As for you saying that the desire for enlightement is just another desire, yes, you would be correct about that. As for you calling me a Pussy, again I just see you distracting yourself. You sure get upset over things that in your own words matter so little to you. Remember, its all about you.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Great movie-- Iron Man
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 sandiego108@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip Exactly. If Jim is enlightened, I want a refund for all the years I spent pursuing it. If *Maharishi* was enlightened, I want a refund for all the years I spent pursuing it. You may be helped by going back and reading the posting that has generated all of this conflict for you. And figure out why I titled it the selfishness of enlightenment. I think you like most have received some really misleading advice on the topic of enlightenment. As a final word on that I'll just say you can't put the cart before the horse, or actually you can, you just won't go anywhere. And you are obviously still under the delusion that there is somewhere to go, or any valid reason for wanting to. Agreed. Very much so. In every domain of my life. Rather than delusion, I'd call it personal growth.
[FairfieldLife] Looking for a Buddy
To whom-ever it might interest, I've been meditating (TM) for 7 years and have encountered a rough ride, (ongoing difficulty with temendous unstressing) since I began. Recently I have run up against much increase in physical unstressing and increased difficulty in and out of meditation, with tough physio- mental stuff disrupting my Asana routine. I would be grateful if any experienced meditator might be interested in helping me see through my mistakes in the intellect regarding my practice (Asanas, Pranayama, TM). In the role of an (online) TM Buddy I have had some insight into the nature of my mental obstruction (which is quite scary - tricky for me but my seeming ability to know how to proceed is in confusion. I've come to a self-made impasse and it might be good to have the occasional reminder that its not all so serious as it seems to me right now. Looking to to overcome, Best wishes Simon Groves
[FairfieldLife] Re: Great movie-- Iron Man
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Have you ever considered the possibility that the desire for liberation is just one more desire? And, in fact, a desire that, almost by definition, takes you away from appreciation of Now. snip Pure BS. This is a bill of goods someone sold you, and you bought, that any desire removes you from the appreciation of Now. You probably follow that lame teaching about the killing of desires or some such rubbish. This can be easily corrected by reviewing the notes on your TM intro lecture, that you may have memorized anyway...Think about the synchrony of absolute and relative values of life. I am sure the answer will come to you.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Looking for a Buddy
Although I am not the right person for your job of buddy which sounds a bit AA, I would like to propose that you may have run into counter evidence to the belief that meditation is good for everyone. And doing my best to say this without sounding like a total dick (I stuck total in there for some wiggle room) you might want to consider going to a mental health professional rather than taking random advise from strangers about your mental health issues. Even if you go to an actual TM teacher in person for some personalized advise about your meditation practice you will not find an informed professional in mental health. ( I hope you realize that TM teachers are not trained with any insight into mental disorders and will just repeat what they learned by rote until you go away.) I taught a bunch of people TM and most of the people who described tremendous unstressing ended up with mental health problems that went undiagnosed while they kept banging their head against the wall of hope that the TM organization had any personalized answers for a problem better handled by a mental health professional. I'm pretty confident that an online advise buddy is not what you need. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, simon.groves123 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To whom-ever it might interest, I've been meditating (TM) for 7 years and have encountered a rough ride, (ongoing difficulty with temendous unstressing) since I began. Recently I have run up against much increase in physical unstressing and increased difficulty in and out of meditation, with tough physio- mental stuff disrupting my Asana routine. I would be grateful if any experienced meditator might be interested in helping me see through my mistakes in the intellect regarding my practice (Asanas, Pranayama, TM). In the role of an (online) TM Buddy I have had some insight into the nature of my mental obstruction (which is quite scary - tricky for me but my seeming ability to know how to proceed is in confusion. I've come to a self-made impasse and it might be good to have the occasional reminder that its not all so serious as it seems to me right now. Looking to to overcome, Best wishes Simon Groves
[FairfieldLife] Re: Looking for a Buddy
Oh yeah, and beware of advice givers who misspell the word twice in the same post. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Although I am not the right person for your job of buddy which sounds a bit AA, I would like to propose that you may have run into counter evidence to the belief that meditation is good for everyone. And doing my best to say this without sounding like a total dick (I stuck total in there for some wiggle room) you might want to consider going to a mental health professional rather than taking random advise from strangers about your mental health issues. Even if you go to an actual TM teacher in person for some personalized advise about your meditation practice you will not find an informed professional in mental health. ( I hope you realize that TM teachers are not trained with any insight into mental disorders and will just repeat what they learned by rote until you go away.) I taught a bunch of people TM and most of the people who described tremendous unstressing ended up with mental health problems that went undiagnosed while they kept banging their head against the wall of hope that the TM organization had any personalized answers for a problem better handled by a mental health professional. I'm pretty confident that an online advise buddy is not what you need. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, simon.groves123 simon.groves1@ wrote: To whom-ever it might interest, I've been meditating (TM) for 7 years and have encountered a rough ride, (ongoing difficulty with temendous unstressing) since I began. Recently I have run up against much increase in physical unstressing and increased difficulty in and out of meditation, with tough physio- mental stuff disrupting my Asana routine. I would be grateful if any experienced meditator might be interested in helping me see through my mistakes in the intellect regarding my practice (Asanas, Pranayama, TM). In the role of an (online) TM Buddy I have had some insight into the nature of my mental obstruction (which is quite scary - tricky for me but my seeming ability to know how to proceed is in confusion. I've come to a self-made impasse and it might be good to have the occasional reminder that its not all so serious as it seems to me right now. Looking to to overcome, Best wishes Simon Groves
[FairfieldLife] Re: Looking for a Buddy
-First thing to do is buy two audio CD's: 1. Arunachala Sthuti Panchakam and 2. Evening Veda Parayana; as well as the DVD Sage from Arunachala. All from http://www.arunachala.org Watch part of the video every day and WHILE doing TM, play one of the audio CD's at a low volume and consider it as simply background sound without interfering with the original TM instructions. Then, play the audios as much as possible during the day. Also, chant the Mahamritunjaya mantra throughout the day. Get the audio CD from Sreemaa of her chanting this powerful Shiva mantra. Do this program for 1 month and you will get out of your rut. Report back to me after 1 month. -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, simon.groves123 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To whom-ever it might interest, I've been meditating (TM) for 7 years and have encountered a rough ride, (ongoing difficulty with temendous unstressing) since I began. Recently I have run up against much increase in physical unstressing and increased difficulty in and out of meditation, with tough physio- mental stuff disrupting my Asana routine. I would be grateful if any experienced meditator might be interested in helping me see through my mistakes in the intellect regarding my practice (Asanas, Pranayama, TM). In the role of an (online) TM Buddy I have had some insight into the nature of my mental obstruction (which is quite scary - tricky for me but my seeming ability to know how to proceed is in confusion. I've come to a self-made impasse and it might be good to have the occasional reminder that its not all so serious as it seems to me right now. Looking to to overcome, Best wishes Simon Groves
[FairfieldLife] Re: Looking for a Buddy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, simon.groves123 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To whom-ever it might interest, I've been meditating (TM) for 7 years and have encountered a rough ride, (ongoing difficulty with temendous unstressing) since I began. Recently I have run up against much increase in physical unstressing and increased difficulty in and out of meditation, with tough physio- mental stuff disrupting my Asana routine. I would be grateful if any experienced meditator might be interested in helping me see through my mistakes in the intellect regarding my practice (Asanas, Pranayama, TM). In the role of an (online) TM Buddy I have had some insight into the nature of my mental obstruction (which is quite scary - tricky for me but my seeming ability to know how to proceed is in confusion. I've come to a self-made impasse and it might be good to have the occasional reminder that its not all so serious as it seems to me right now. Looking to to overcome, Best wishes Simon Groves Hi Simon, Before resorting to contacting a mental health professional as was suggested here, which may confuse things further, and without knowing the nature of your roughness, I'd suggest that you first try some simple stuff, like lying down (or sitting down) for a full 5 minutes with eyes closed, following your TM practice. Its remarkable how much roughness can be resolved this way. If you can, have your meditation checked by a teacher. Very helpful to eliminate creeping concentration. Last, you may want to skip your program or cut it down to once a day for a while. If you are feeling spacey, or caught up in thoughts that seem overwhelming, this will help, as will some dedicated exercise. All the best to you.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Looking for a Buddy
On May 27, 2008, at 12:57 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: Oh yeah, and beware of advice givers who misspell the word twice in the same post. Three times, Curtis, but who's counting? :) Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Looking for a Buddy
Before resorting to contacting a mental health professional as was suggested here, which may confuse things further, When did you become a Scientologist Jim? Confuse things further? by all that book learn'n no doubt. Read'n rots the mind, you should be out parade'n Paul's Grandfather's advice to Ringo in Hard Day's Night. Although your advice reflects accurately the simplistic information TM teachers deal out to people who are unstressing, I gotta say it is extremely bad advice for people having serious mental health problems. What is wrong with having a check up from the neck up by a professional? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, simon.groves123 simon.groves1@ wrote: To whom-ever it might interest, I've been meditating (TM) for 7 years and have encountered a rough ride, (ongoing difficulty with temendous unstressing) since I began. Recently I have run up against much increase in physical unstressing and increased difficulty in and out of meditation, with tough physio- mental stuff disrupting my Asana routine. I would be grateful if any experienced meditator might be interested in helping me see through my mistakes in the intellect regarding my practice (Asanas, Pranayama, TM). In the role of an (online) TM Buddy I have had some insight into the nature of my mental obstruction (which is quite scary - tricky for me but my seeming ability to know how to proceed is in confusion. I've come to a self-made impasse and it might be good to have the occasional reminder that its not all so serious as it seems to me right now. Looking to to overcome, Best wishes Simon Groves Hi Simon, Before resorting to contacting a mental health professional as was suggested here, which may confuse things further, and without knowing the nature of your roughness, I'd suggest that you first try some simple stuff, like lying down (or sitting down) for a full 5 minutes with eyes closed, following your TM practice. Its remarkable how much roughness can be resolved this way. If you can, have your meditation checked by a teacher. Very helpful to eliminate creeping concentration. Last, you may want to skip your program or cut it down to once a day for a while. If you are feeling spacey, or caught up in thoughts that seem overwhelming, this will help, as will some dedicated exercise. All the best to you.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Looking for a Buddy
On May 27, 2008, at 1:25 PM, sandiego108 wrote: Hi Simon, Before resorting to contacting a mental health professional as was suggested here, which may confuse things further, and without knowing the nature of your roughness, I'd suggest that you first try some simple stuff, like lying down (or sitting down) for a full 5 minutes with eyes closed, following your TM practice. Its remarkable how much roughness can be resolved this way. If you can, have your meditation checked by a teacher. Very helpful to eliminate creeping concentration. Last, you may want to skip your program or cut it down to once a day for a while. If you are feeling spacey, or caught up in thoughts that seem overwhelming, this will help, as will some dedicated exercise. And if that doesn't work, Simon, you might consider taking a pinch of salt, tossing it over your left shoulder, saying a couple of Hail Marys all while you're doing the Watusi. Forget the nonsense Jim posted above--he drank the TM Kool-Aide years ago and just spouts what he heard many times over from TM teachers who would blacklist practitioners and keep them from going on courses if they dared to seek treatment, thereby implying that TM was not a cure-all. What Curtis advised (or adviced as he might put it) was right on--seek help from a mental health professional, or (I would add) anyone you trust whose integrity is beyond doubt. Don't just sit around and wait for the magic mantra to solve your issues. It won't, as many of us found out, but we were too intimidated by the TM PR to think for ourselves at that point. Go for it, don't just sit and suffer. And then, I would add, filter whatever you've heard through the lens of your own common sense and experience--yours, not someone else's, anyone else's. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Looking for a Buddy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 27, 2008, at 12:57 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: Oh yeah, and beware of advice givers who misspell the word twice in the same post. Three times, Curtis, but who's counting? :) Don't you love that oh shit! feeling when you hit send? Or is that just me? Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Looking for a Buddy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Before resorting to contacting a mental health professional as was suggested here, which may confuse things further, When did you become a Scientologist Jim? Confuse things further? by all that book learn'n no doubt. When did you join Team Snark, Curtis? Read'n rots the mind, you should be out parade'n Paul's Grandfather's advice to Ringo in Hard Day's Night Although your advice reflects accurately the simplistic information TM teachers deal out to people who are unstressing, I gotta say it is extremely bad advice for people having serious mental health problems. What is wrong with having a check up from the neck up by a professional? Based on what Simon has written, what gives you the idea that Simon is having serious mental health problems? I sure didn't get that impression. And if he is, and it is related to TM, what's wrong with suggesting that he back off the practice for awhile? Choosing any doctor is a tricky business-- I've met some good ones and some bad ones. I was suggesting that route will complicate things as a result. That's why I said, Before resorting I am a big fan of simple stuff first. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 sandiego108@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, simon.groves123 simon.groves1@ wrote: To whom-ever it might interest, I've been meditating (TM) for 7 years and have encountered a rough ride, (ongoing difficulty with temendous unstressing) since I began. Recently I have run up against much increase in physical unstressing and increased difficulty in and out of meditation, with tough physio- mental stuff disrupting my Asana routine. I would be grateful if any experienced meditator might be interested in helping me see through my mistakes in the intellect regarding my practice (Asanas, Pranayama, TM). In the role of an (online) TM Buddy I have had some insight into the nature of my mental obstruction (which is quite scary - tricky for me but my seeming ability to know how to proceed is in confusion. I've come to a self-made impasse and it might be good to have the occasional reminder that its not all so serious as it seems to me right now. Looking to to overcome, Best wishes Simon Groves Hi Simon, Before resorting to contacting a mental health professional as was suggested here, which may confuse things further, and without knowing the nature of your roughness, I'd suggest that you first try some simple stuff, like lying down (or sitting down) for a full 5 minutes with eyes closed, following your TM practice. Its remarkable how much roughness can be resolved this way. If you can, have your meditation checked by a teacher. Very helpful to eliminate creeping concentration. Last, you may want to skip your program or cut it down to once a day for a while. If you are feeling spacey, or caught up in thoughts that seem overwhelming, this will help, as will some dedicated exercise. All the best to you.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Looking for a Buddy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 27, 2008, at 1:25 PM, sandiego108 wrote: Hi Simon, Before resorting to contacting a mental health professional as was suggested here, which may confuse things further, and without knowing the nature of your roughness, I'd suggest that you first try some simple stuff, like lying down (or sitting down) for a full 5 minutes with eyes closed, following your TM practice. Its remarkable how much roughness can be resolved this way. If you can, have your meditation checked by a teacher. Very helpful to eliminate creeping concentration. Last, you may want to skip your program or cut it down to once a day for a while. If you are feeling spacey, or caught up in thoughts that seem overwhelming, this will help, as will some dedicated exercise. And if that doesn't work, Simon, you might consider taking a pinch of salt, tossing it over your left shoulder, saying a couple of Hail Marys all while you're doing the Watusi. Forget the nonsense Jim posted above--he drank the TM Kool-Aide years ago and just spouts what he heard many times over from TM teachers who would blacklist practitioners and keep them from going on courses if they dared to seek treatment, thereby implying that TM was not a cure-all. snip Again, Sal, I said Before resorting I don't know anything about TM Koolaid-- I was speaking purely from experience as I always do. What I am suggesting has worked for me. Period. No thanks for your kneejerk reaction, and insult.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Looking for a Buddy
Choosing any doctor is a tricky business-- I've met some good ones and some bad ones. I was suggesting that route will complicate things as a result. That's why I said, Before resorting I am a big fan of simple stuff first. As a TM teacher I doled out plenty of this kind of advice thinking that Maharishi's programs were complete and did not need any help from mental health professionals. I watched 3 friend's lose their minds in catastrophic breakdowns after ignoring their serious symptoms. Jut because choosing a good doctor is tricky is no reason not to find one and get a more informed opinion than expressed in the TM advice to cut down on meditation and lie down. But he came online so he is getting the whole range of opinions. My snarky line was trying to add some humor. Making a case that perhaps less professional information would be better in any way always reminds me of Paul's Grandfather for some reason. But it also does expose a serious difference in our epistemology systems. If it was a bit dickish, sorry for that. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Before resorting to contacting a mental health professional as was suggested here, which may confuse things further, When did you become a Scientologist Jim? Confuse things further? by all that book learn'n no doubt. When did you join Team Snark, Curtis? Read'n rots the mind, you should be out parade'n Paul's Grandfather's advice to Ringo in Hard Day's Night Although your advice reflects accurately the simplistic information TM teachers deal out to people who are unstressing, I gotta say it is extremely bad advice for people having serious mental health problems. What is wrong with having a check up from the neck up by a professional? Based on what Simon has written, what gives you the idea that Simon is having serious mental health problems? I sure didn't get that impression. And if he is, and it is related to TM, what's wrong with suggesting that he back off the practice for awhile? Choosing any doctor is a tricky business-- I've met some good ones and some bad ones. I was suggesting that route will complicate things as a result. That's why I said, Before resorting I am a big fan of simple stuff first. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 sandiego108@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, simon.groves123 simon.groves1@ wrote: To whom-ever it might interest, I've been meditating (TM) for 7 years and have encountered a rough ride, (ongoing difficulty with temendous unstressing) since I began. Recently I have run up against much increase in physical unstressing and increased difficulty in and out of meditation, with tough physio- mental stuff disrupting my Asana routine. I would be grateful if any experienced meditator might be interested in helping me see through my mistakes in the intellect regarding my practice (Asanas, Pranayama, TM). In the role of an (online) TM Buddy I have had some insight into the nature of my mental obstruction (which is quite scary - tricky for me but my seeming ability to know how to proceed is in confusion. I've come to a self-made impasse and it might be good to have the occasional reminder that its not all so serious as it seems to me right now. Looking to to overcome, Best wishes Simon Groves Hi Simon, Before resorting to contacting a mental health professional as was suggested here, which may confuse things further, and without knowing the nature of your roughness, I'd suggest that you first try some simple stuff, like lying down (or sitting down) for a full 5 minutes with eyes closed, following your TM practice. Its remarkable how much roughness can be resolved this way. If you can, have your meditation checked by a teacher. Very helpful to eliminate creeping concentration. Last, you may want to skip your program or cut it down to once a day for a while. If you are feeling spacey, or caught up in thoughts that seem overwhelming, this will help, as will some dedicated exercise. All the best to you.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Looking for a Buddy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 27, 2008, at 1:25 PM, sandiego108 wrote: Hi Simon, Before resorting to contacting a mental health professional as was suggested here, which may confuse things further, and without knowing the nature of your roughness, I'd suggest that you first try some simple stuff, like lying down (or sitting down) for a full 5 minutes with eyes closed, following your TM practice. Its remarkable how much roughness can be resolved this way. If you can, have your meditation checked by a teacher. Very helpful to eliminate creeping concentration. Last, you may want to skip your program or cut it down to once a day for a while. If you are feeling spacey, or caught up in thoughts that seem overwhelming, this will help, as will some dedicated exercise. And if that doesn't work, Simon, you might consider taking a pinch of salt, tossing it over your left shoulder, saying a couple of Hail Marys all while you're doing the Watusi. Forget the nonsense Jim posted above--he drank the TM Kool-Aide years ago and just spouts what he heard many times over from TM teachers who would blacklist practitioners and keep them from going on courses if they dared to seek treatment, thereby implying that TM was not a cure-all. What Curtis advised (or adviced as he might put it) was right on--seek help from a mental health professional, or (I would add) anyone you trust whose integrity is beyond doubt. Don't just sit around and wait for the magic mantra to solve your issues. It won't, as many of us found out, but we were too intimidated by the TM PR to think for ourselves at that point. Go for it, don't just sit and suffer. And then, I would add, filter whatever you've heard through the lens of your own common sense and experience--yours, not someone else's, anyone else's. Sal Excellent advice from you and Curtis - and I'm a TM teacher who hasn't drunk the TMO Kool-Aid for decades. There's *much* more to your life, Simon, by miles and miles and miles than that dogma-in-a-box.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Looking for a Buddy
On May 27, 2008, at 1:55 PM, sandiego108 wrote: Again, Sal, I said Before resorting I don't know anything about TM Koolaid-- I was speaking purely from experience as I always do. What I am suggesting has worked for me. Period. No thanks for your kneejerk reaction, and insult. Alright, Jim, here's what you suggested to someone who had just said he's been meditating (TM) for 7 years and have encountered a rough ride, (ongoing difficulty with temendous unstressing) since I began. which you then claim, in another post, does not constitute serious mental problems. Tremendous unstressing sure would seem to imply some serious stuff, in anyone else's book except yours, I guess. Your suggestions? I'd suggest that you first try some simple stuff, like lying down (or sitting down) for a full 5 minutes with eyes closed, following your TM practice. Its remarkable how much roughness can be resolved this way. If you can, have your meditation checked by a teacher. Very helpful to eliminate creeping concentration. Last, you may want to skip your program or cut it down to once a day for a while. If you are feeling spacey, or caught up in thoughts that seem overwhelming, this will help, as will some dedicated exercise. The first two are just moodmaking nonsense, the third and fourth something you apparently want Simon to believe will do more than just take away the focus of his attention for more than a few minutes. If it were that simple, don't you think he, and many others, would have figured it out? Stay away from subjects you apparently know nothing about, Jim. You just end up looking like a complete ass. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: You can Initiate Meditation
The mantra should be experienced just like any other thought. Curtis wrote: Not exact words but close enough. So, we are agreed. So, Marshy said that there is no difference between ordinary thinking and thinking the mantra during meditation. This concept is so basic to TM that I am starting to wonder if you were sleeping during TTC. There is no difference in the quality of effortlessness. So, we are mostly in agreement. As far as attending to the content of meaning they are completely different. This is an excellent point. But it has already been established that the TM mantras are the names of the Hindu demi-Gods, Saraswati, etc. and you're saying that most beginning students treat the mantra as if it were a non-semantic sound. But, what if you already had some knowledge of Hindu yoga practices and you recognized the names referenced by the mantra? In that case, you'd be thinking about a Hindu God's name, such as Saraswati and it would probably have meaning, so you'd be thinking about something, not just repeated non-sense gibberish. In other words, you'd be thinking things over - thinking. everyone meditates. This is false, and weird. Based on the dictionary definition of 'thinking things over', everyone meditates. But you're saying that TM meditation is different, yet without defining exactly what this difference is. According to Vaj, there isn't a purely effortless way of thinking, since almost everything requires some effort, even thinking the mantra. So, it may be that 'effortless' isn't exactly what makes TM different. Maybe it's the transcending - but, in that case almost everyone is already transcending - that's just human nature. Maybe the difference is in the rapidity of the transcending, or in the checking, or maybe the difference is in the ability of people to transcend at will or to transcend repeatedly. Snip According to Marshy, meditation is just like 'thinking things over' You have put this in quotes so I'm sure you can come up with the source of this misquote. I have never heard Maharishi use this phrase, ever. Marshy said: TM is based on thinking. He said this at SIMS in 1964 in front of a large audience that included Jerry Jarvis and Robert Keith Wallace - BillyG was there too, I think. First quote: 'thinking things over' Second quote: TM is based on thinking. Now can you tell me the difference between the meaning of these two statements? No difference - 'thinking' is 'thinking things over' - meditation - to think about something. Meditation is based on thinking. Marshy said that anyone who could think, could meditate. [snip] You may have taught people how to meditate, and they may have transcended, but my point is, that you're not very skilled in defining what it is that you taught; neither was the Marshy - I just have a knack for putting things in a nutshell. Following the precision of your previous use of language I'll just switch nutshell for nutcase right? Same thing, right? Cool let's roll with nutcase. Maye so, but I wouldn't go as far as to say that Marshy was a 'nutcase' - let's just say that he liked to talk a lot in order to explain real simple things. In any case, it doesn't really explain why you can't define TM meditation by calling me a 'nutcase' - it only points out that you have trouble with definitions. Let's roll with that. In a lot of ways, I know more about meditation that is transcendental than the Marshy himself. This is the kind of statement that makes me love your posts Richard. It is the wild swings between grandiosity and absurdity. You can make good points too, but always with the Twilight Zone perspective ready to pop out at any moment. Good stuff. Thanks, I can see you been thinking things over! Now all you'd have to do is start thinking your mantra and you'd be doing TM - then you could also enjoy. It's not really absurd at all. It's what you taught for twenty years. While you and the Marshy were practicing how to be a recluse, I was getting an education, raising a family, working in the world and transcending on a daily basis. I'm not at all convinced that retiring at age 22 is a very good idea, no matter how noble one's aspirations are to save the world. I'm with you here except for the part where you mention retiring at age 22? Who was that? Probably thousands of TM teachers tried to retire at age 22 - that's why they attended TTC instead of finishing college and getting a real job. Some to this day haven't finished school and still don't have a real job. Plus Maharishi was an advance man and event planner for a religious leader, he was working his butt off. There was the alleged two years of silence followed by building a multi million dollar empire, so calling him a recluse is a bit of a stretch. When did the Marshy ever have
[FairfieldLife] Re: Looking for a Buddy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Choosing any doctor is a tricky business-- I've met some good ones and some bad ones. I was suggesting that route will complicate things as a result. That's why I said, Before resorting I am a big fan of simple stuff first. As a TM teacher I doled out plenty of this kind of advice thinking that Maharishi's programs were complete and did not need any help from mental health professionals. I watched 3 friend's lose their minds in catastrophic breakdowns after ignoring their serious symptoms. Jut because choosing a good doctor is tricky is no reason not to find one and get a more informed opinion than expressed in the TM advice to cut down on meditation and lie down. But he came online so he is getting the whole range of opinions. My snarky line was trying to add some humor. Making a case that perhaps less professional information would be better in any way always reminds me of Paul's Grandfather for some reason. But it also does expose a serious difference in our epistemology systems. If it was a bit dickish, sorry for that. no big deal-- and I can appreciate your sensitivity to what Simon has suggested. Nip it in the bud and all that. Anyway, as you said on-line will produce lots of opinions. I'll have to look up stuff that Paul's grandpa said...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Looking for a Buddy
The only things I might add as someone who has been meditating and doing the sidhi program for a few years is listen to the advice of Sandiego108. Also you might remember that the whoe thing with TM is release not trying not forcing not concentrating. Some people begin to have problems when the meditation process begins to go deeper. What might happen is that they begin to THINK the mantra instead of introduce the mantra and let go. I had a time when I would transcend and be in a very peaceful state and realize I was not thinking the mantra and instead of doing so easily I would do in an abrupt and gross way. This in addition to being in a hurry and only taking say 2 minutes to come out of meditation made for quite a bit of roughness. When I am under lots of stress I have a tendency to try hard. Thus I am no longer doing transcendental meditation I am doing force meditation or control technique or manipulation technique NOT TM.When I just simply accept and let go of my need to control the process I find my face muscle relax, my head and neck relax and my TMJ relaxes. These are the main places that give headaches. Also in asanas we dont have to be super yoga experts it is ok to do the first set of asanas and the same just be easy with the process. You might find that your body relaxes even more. Finally the biggest thing I learned is that I CAN NOT MAKE IT HAPPEN, I have to let it happen. Or better yet just accept. If it is not happening so what, if it is so what not your business. You will find that this works in all aspects of your life. simon.groves123 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To whom-ever it might interest, I've been meditating (TM) for 7 years and have encountered a rough ride, (ongoing difficulty with temendous unstressing) since I began. Recently I have run up against much increase in physical unstressing and increased difficulty in and out of meditation, with tough physio- mental stuff disrupting my Asana routine. I would be grateful if any experienced meditator might be interested in helping me see through my mistakes in the intellect regarding my practice (Asanas, Pranayama, TM). In the role of an (online) TM Buddy I have had some insight into the nature of my mental obstruction (which is quite scary - tricky for me but my seeming ability to know how to proceed is in confusion. I've come to a self-made impasse and it might be good to have the occasional reminder that its not all so serious as it seems to me right now. Looking to to overcome, Best wishes Simon Groves To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Re: Looking for a Buddy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 27, 2008, at 1:55 PM, sandiego108 wrote: Again, Sal, I said Before resorting I don't know anything about TM Koolaid-- I was speaking purely from experience as I always do. What I am suggesting has worked for me. Period. No thanks for your kneejerk reaction, and insult. Alright, Jim, here's what you suggested to someone who had just said he's been meditating (TM) for 7 years and have encountered a rough ride, (ongoing difficulty with temendous unstressing) since I began. which you then claim, in another post, does not constitute serious mental problems. Tremendous unstressing sure would seem to imply some serious stuff, in anyone else's book except yours, I guess. Your suggestions? I'd suggest that you first try some simple stuff, like lying down (or sitting down) for a full 5 minutes with eyes closed, following your TM practice. Its remarkable how much roughness can be resolved this way. If you can, have your meditation checked by a teacher. Very helpful to eliminate creeping concentration. Last, you may want to skip your program or cut it down to once a day for a while. If you are feeling spacey, or caught up in thoughts that seem overwhelming, this will help, as will some dedicated exercise. The first two are just moodmaking nonsense, the third and fourth something you apparently want Simon to believe will do more than just take away the focus of his attention for more than a few minutes. If it were that simple, don't you think he, and many others, would have figured it out? Stay away from subjects you apparently know nothing about, Jim. You just end up looking like a complete ass. Sal Aside from the fact that you have decided to try and pick a fight with me, I have found the lie down for five minutes after TM extremely helpful-- every day, twice a day, so it is anything but moodmaking-- good practical advice. As for the being checked, haven't done it in ages, but it sure used to help. You also think this fellow is on the brink of madness. I think he is just looking for some advice. No thanks, again, for your insult and assumptions. You really ought to get that looked at.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Looking for a Buddy
On May 27, 2008, at 3:05 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: As a TM teacher I doled out plenty of this kind of advice thinking that Maharishi's programs were complete and did not need any help from mental health professionals. I watched 3 friend's lose their minds in catastrophic breakdowns after ignoring their serious symptoms. Was this from TM or TMSP? WTF? Simon: Dump the TM, it's notorious for causing serious side effects in some people. Go see a therapist, a good one. Are you a vegetarian? TM alone or TM-sidhi program? Best of luck with your situation and your healing. You may also consider calling: http://www.kundalinicare.com/ ...as they have helped many TMers in your same situation, with good results. They are from the same lineage as Guru Dev. But please don't take that as a reason to bypass some good therapy.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Looking for a Buddy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 27, 2008, at 3:05 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: As a TM teacher I doled out plenty of this kind of advice thinking that Maharishi's programs were complete and did not need any help from mental health professionals. I watched 3 friend's lose their minds in catastrophic breakdowns after ignoring their serious symptoms. Was this from TM or TMSP? WTF? I really can't claim a causal connection, schizophrenia commonly comes on in the twenties and this is when it hit them. But they all had symptoms that they ignored knowing that seeing a professional would be the kiss of death for their movement dreams. Simon: Dump the TM, it's notorious for causing serious side effects in some people. Go see a therapist, a good one. Are you a vegetarian? TM alone or TM-sidhi program? Best of luck with your situation and your healing. You may also consider calling: http://www.kundalinicare.com/ ...as they have helped many TMers in your same situation, with good results. They are from the same lineage as Guru Dev. But please don't take that as a reason to bypass some good therapy.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Looking for a Buddy
--Good advice, Vaj!. Thanks to you, I have the kundalinicare book; but it's somewhat short on techniques and long on kundalini descriptions. My advice, check out the online pic of the kundalinicare book. He's in the Saraswati lineage and his Guru or grand-guru frequented the area of Rishikesh. Therefore, we should look into what these Gurus have to offer. Simple: the Shiva-Shakti principle. The Saraswati Guru is shown standing about a mile away from Arunachala, the abode of Ramana Maharshi. Arunachala was considered by Ramana to be God Himself and the physical murti of the static aspect of Shiva. Thus, access the website http://www.arunachala.org and get the media items I mentioned, of Pundits from Ramana's Ashram at the foot of the Arunachala Hill. This will take care of the SHIVA aspect. Now for the Shakti aspect. Get Shreemaa's CD audio of the DURGA PUJA, as well as her rendition of the Mahamrityunjaya mantra (an important Shiva mantra). When Shiva's mantra is chanted by a living Divine Mother Incarnation such as Shreemaa, you get both Shiva and Shakti together. Also recommended. (from SYDA). Swami Muktananda chanting the Guru Gita. This is a powerful source of Shakti. Also, any media items from Karunamayi. There - I've given you the antidote to your being in a rut; so now get to the Shiva-Shakti program!. Your life will change for the better. Results guaranteed in 21 days. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 27, 2008, at 3:05 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: As a TM teacher I doled out plenty of this kind of advice thinking that Maharishi's programs were complete and did not need any help from mental health professionals. I watched 3 friend's lose their minds in catastrophic breakdowns after ignoring their serious symptoms. Was this from TM or TMSP? WTF? Simon: Dump the TM, it's notorious for causing serious side effects in some people. Go see a therapist, a good one. Are you a vegetarian? TM alone or TM-sidhi program? Best of luck with your situation and your healing. You may also consider calling: http://www.kundalinicare.com/ ...as they have helped many TMers in your same situation, with good results. They are from the same lineage as Guru Dev. But please don't take that as a reason to bypass some good therapy.
[FairfieldLife] More arrivals of Maharishi Vedic Pandits
In this morning's Invincibility Assembly call, Bevan announced that 75 more Maharishi Vedic Pandits arrived early today, 75 more are expected tomorrow, and 55 more Friday. After Friday, our numbers for weekday evening programs will be up to the range of 1,900-2,000!
Re: [FairfieldLife] More arrivals of Maharishi Vedic Pandits
On May 27, 2008, at 2:40 PM, Dick Mays wrote: In this morning's Invincibility Assembly call, Bevan announced that 75 more Maharishi Vedic Pandits arrived early today, 75 more are expected tomorrow, and 55 more Friday. After Friday, our numbers for weekday evening programs will be up to the range of 1,900-2,000! Does that include the cockroaches in the bathrooms? Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Non-science like astrology unlawful in the UK unless purveyed only as entertainment
Vaj wrote: Stop Press: British Government actually does something sensible and useful ... Here's news of a new law in force in Britain from today that criminalises those who purvey astrology and other obvious unscientific mumbo-jumbo as anything other than entertainment. Astrologers for years have put the disclaimer for entertainment purposes only on their services to protect themselves against lawsuits from people who believe that astrology should be anything more than a weather report. Some of the other things are good such as the aggressive sales trickery. That would never float in America because the Republicans would scream like crazy as so many of their own businesses try to coerce customers. I was just thinking about creating a new video about the cacophony of our world with capitalism being worshiped above all else and how we are constantly being hawked to buy this and buy that. We really do need do something about overpopulation and the clamor to survive on this planet that creates this. Maybe people should pay to work rather than pay people to work and stipend the rest so that we can get back to being human beings again rather than wage slaves.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Looking for a Buddy
Wow! you guys must know a lot more about this guy because to talk about psych therapy or kundalini anything from what he wrote that seems way out there. If I were him I would be scared to death and never ask for help here again... curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: On May 27, 2008, at 3:05 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: As a TM teacher I doled out plenty of this kind of advice thinking that Maharishi's programs were complete and did not need any help from mental health professionals. I watched 3 friend's lose their minds in catastrophic breakdowns after ignoring their serious symptoms. Was this from TM or TMSP? WTF? I really can't claim a causal connection, schizophrenia commonly comes on in the twenties and this is when it hit them. But they all had symptoms that they ignored knowing that seeing a professional would be the kiss of death for their movement dreams. Simon: Dump the TM, it's notorious for causing serious side effects in some people. Go see a therapist, a good one. Are you a vegetarian? TM alone or TM-sidhi program? Best of luck with your situation and your healing. You may also consider calling: http://www.kundalinicare.com/ ...as they have helped many TMers in your same situation, with good results. They are from the same lineage as Guru Dev. But please don't take that as a reason to bypass some good therapy. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Looking for a Buddy
Vaj wrote: On May 27, 2008, at 3:05 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: As a TM teacher I doled out plenty of this kind of advice thinking that Maharishi's programs were complete and did not need any help from mental health professionals. I watched 3 friend's lose their minds in catastrophic breakdowns after ignoring their serious symptoms. Was this from TM or TMSP? WTF? Simon: Dump the TM, it's notorious for causing serious side effects in some people. Go see a therapist, a good one. Are you a vegetarian? TM alone or TM-sidhi program? Yup, he should try a different technique. That is a little difficult as I would only recommend a technique from some qualified teacher and you have to be in an area where you can find those plus learn to scope out someone to see if they are the real deal or not.. If he were in my area I could teach him a much safer technique and help with the impasse. If he is a vegetarian it would have to be the proper vegetarian diet as there are many spins and most meditators eat like yogis but don't have the body for it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Looking for a Buddy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Choosing any doctor is a tricky business-- I've met some good ones and some bad ones. I was suggesting that route will complicate things as a result. That's why I said, Before resorting I am a big fan of simple stuff first. As a TM teacher I doled out plenty of this kind of advice thinking that Maharishi's programs were complete and did not need any help from mental health professionals. Plus, please understand that Jim (sandiego108), who is being so free with his advice, is not even a TM teacher. As Sal said so well, he's someone who drank the TM Kool-Aid and now poses here as enlightened, even though my bet is that no one on this forum believes it but him. The best advice given so far is Sal's. Trust your own feelings and your own common sense. Do NOT trust anything told to you by people who lost their minds years ago to the TM movement. They do not have your best interests in mind. The only thing they care about is preserving their illusions about TM and Maharishi and their own inflated egos. Good luck. I have no specific advice to offer other than this, because unlike Jim, I don't believe that I have all the answers.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Looking for a Buddy
Simon wrote: I've come to a self-made impasse and it might be good to have the occasional reminder that its not all so serious as it seems to me right now. Simply put, meditation is based on thinking - just like thinking things over. All you have to do, Simon, is sit down and close your eyes. Nobody has ever had any problem thinking - it just comes naturally - it's almost effortless. Then, introduce the mantra, just like you're thinking any other thought. That's all there is to it - it's that simple. The unstressing you're experiencing is caused by trying to concentrate or trying to control your thoughts. Just sit innocently and let your mind BE. Sitting in this way IS enlightenment. Stop striving - you're not going to get any more enlightenment than you are going to get.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Looking for a Buddy
Simon, as an additional warning, Richard is a mental case. Before paying attention to *anything* he writes here, read a few of the things he says on a regular basis. He's a nutcase, and almost everyone here, both pro-TM and less so, ignores his silly ass completely. Me, just to cover the bases, I was a TM teacher and a State Coordinator in the TM movement for years, but came to my senses and bailed 30 years ago. I hang out here only because I love cool conversations, and many of the people here are very cool and very balanced indeed. I have interjected here only to warn you about two who are not. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Simon wrote: I've come to a self-made impasse and it might be good to have the occasional reminder that its not all so serious as it seems to me right now. Simply put, meditation is based on thinking - just like thinking things over. All you have to do, Simon, is sit down and close your eyes. Nobody has ever had any problem thinking - it just comes naturally - it's almost effortless. Then, introduce the mantra, just like you're thinking any other thought. That's all there is to it - it's that simple. The unstressing you're experiencing is caused by trying to concentrate or trying to control your thoughts. Just sit innocently and let your mind BE. Sitting in this way IS enlightenment. Stop striving - you're not going to get any more enlightenment than you are going to get.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Looking for a Buddy
Dear Sandiego, Thank you for your very sensitive advice I think it's very easy to suggest a visit to the psychiatrist... but as kind as they are... they can only sympathize and offer something to numb the brain (the neck upward) (this is my experience) I both love TM and can't face the unstressing at this time. so your advice is so compassionate and sensible thank you... all of it very good thank you. I will return to it just one taste of nectar is enoug for me to be drawn... in time. Best wishes Simon
[FairfieldLife] Re: Looking for a Buddy
Curtis wrote: Although I am not the right person for your job of buddy which sounds a bit AA, I would like to propose that you may have run into counter evidence to the belief that meditation is good for everyone. It depends on how you define 'meditation'. If meditation is just thinking, then everyone meditates, and that's a good thing. If you define meditation as a cult activity where people go off to Spain for years and sit all alone with a depressed sex drive, then I'd say it could be very dangerous to your your libido. And doing my best to say this without sounding like a total dick (I stuck total in there for some wiggle room) you might want to consider going to a mental health professional rather than taking random advise from strangers about your mental health issues. It hasn't been established that Simon has any 'mental health issues' to discuss - maybe you're projecting. Even if you go to an actual TM teacher in person for some personalized advise about your meditation practice you will not find an informed professional in mental health. (I hope you realize that TM teachers are not trained with any insight into mental disorders and will just repeat what they learned by rote until you go away.) This is outrageous! Most of checkers I know are very good at helping with meditation. Curtis, why do you make up this stuff? I taught a bunch of people TM and most of the people who described tremendous unstressing ended up with mental health problems that went undiagnosed while they kept banging their head against the wall of hope that the TM organization had any personalized answers for a problem better handled by a mental health professional. This wouldn't have been a problem if you TM teachers had shut up about reaching 'enlightenment' and filling their heads with goofy notions like 'regenerating' the whole world. I'm pretty confident that an online advise buddy is not what you need. On the contrary - most people do feel better when they have someone to talk to. The problem is, informers like you want to insist that others have 'mental issues' just because they want to ask a few simple questions. Quack!
[FairfieldLife] Re: More arrivals of Maharishi Vedic Pandits
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In this morning's Invincibility Assembly call, Bevan announced that 75 more Maharishi Vedic Pandits arrived early today, 75 more are expected tomorrow, and 55 more Friday. After Friday, our numbers for weekday evening programs will be up to the range of 1,900-2,000! Glad to hear it, and it will be great if they actually pull this off. Does this mean we can count on President Obama in 2009? ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Looking for a Buddy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Simon Groves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Sandiego, Thank you for your very sensitive advice I think it's very easy to suggest a visit to the psychiatrist... but as kind as they are... they can only sympathize and offer something to numb the brain (the neck upward) (this is my experience) I both love TM and can't face the unstressing at this time. so your advice is so compassionate and sensible thank you... all of it very good thank you. I will return to it just one taste of nectar is enoug for me to be drawn... in time. Best wishes Simon Sounds like you are on the right track. You are welcome and all the best to you.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Looking for a Buddy
Curtis wrote: I gotta say it is extremely bad advice for people having serious mental health problems. If every person who sat down to 'think' followed your advice, then they'd be in serious trouble after they checked their wallet. You're in no position to be diagnosing anyone's 'serious mental problems', since you don't even seem to know how to meditate in the first place, least of all tell a serious mental problem from just asking a simple question. What is wrong with having a check up from the neck up by a professional? Over $100 an hour to visit a quack? The last time I checked, it costs a lot of money to see a medical doctor.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Looking for a Buddy
TurquoiseB wrote: Plus, please understand that Jim (sandiego108), who is being so free with his advice, is not even a TM teacher. As Sal said so well, he's someone who drank the TM Kool-Aid and now poses here as enlightened, even though my bet is that no one on this forum believes it but him. Don't listen to this guy, Simon, Turq is a known impostor. You don't have to be a TM teacher to be a good TM checker. Don't listen to Curtis either, he forgot how to meditate - they both just like to spout off claiming some kind of TMO status. And Vaj apparently has never even tried TM. The best advice given so far is Sal's. Trust your own feelings and your own common sense. Do NOT trust anything told to you by people who lost their minds years ago to the TM movement. They do not have your best interests in mind. The only thing they care about is preserving their illusions about TM and Maharishi and their own inflated egos. Yeah, but you've been in and out of cults almost your entire adult life, so look who is talking! Good luck. I have no specific advice to offer other than this, because unlike Jim, I don't believe that I have all the answers. So, that's your advice.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Looking for a Buddy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Choosing any doctor is a tricky business-- I've met some good ones and some bad ones. I was suggesting that route will complicate things as a result. That's why I said, Before resorting I am a big fan of simple stuff first. As a TM teacher I doled out plenty of this kind of advice thinking that Maharishi's programs were complete and did not need any help from mental health professionals. Plus, please understand that Jim (sandiego108), who is being so free with his advice, is not even a TM teacher. As Sal said so well, he's someone who drank the TM Kool-Aid and now poses here as enlightened, even though my bet is that no one on this forum believes it but him. The best advice given so far is Sal's. Trust your own feelings and your own common sense. Do NOT trust anything told to you by people who lost their minds years ago to the TM movement. They do not have your best interests in mind. The only thing they care about is preserving their illusions about TM and Maharishi and their own inflated egos. Good luck. I have no specific advice to offer other than this, because unlike Jim, I don't believe that I have all the answers. Barry, you sound like you're flipping out... Best advice I can give you (yes, unbidden...) is to consider the future possibility of your permanent enlightenment, and try not to distract yourself by focusing on someone like me, who you neither respect or believe. You will get a lot further that way I promise you.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Looking for a Buddy
John wrote: Excellent advice from you and Curtis - and I'm a TM teacher... Cut the bullshit, John - you're not a TM teacher anymore - you got kicked out a long time ago and for good reason. You couldn't set foot inside a Maharishi Golden Dome if you wanted to. You're no longer certified - get used to it and get a new life. It's over.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Superhighway to Bliss
Curtis wrote: Banged her, dumped her, got stalked for a while, changed my number, saw her in a club one more time and she looked like she was totally into meth and was skanked out fer real rel. Last I heard she was turning tricks in Atlantic City. It always seems to come back to sex with you. Why is that? And why does it always have to be a male thrusting thing?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Looking for a Buddy
Don't listen to Curtis either, he forgot how to meditate - they both just like to spout off claiming some kind of TMO status. Damn Richard, demoting me from even meditator status. That is kinda harsh dontcha think? Plus by your definition of meditation being just thinking things over, I had to meditate just to post this response! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: Plus, please understand that Jim (sandiego108), who is being so free with his advice, is not even a TM teacher. As Sal said so well, he's someone who drank the TM Kool-Aid and now poses here as enlightened, even though my bet is that no one on this forum believes it but him. Don't listen to this guy, Simon, Turq is a known impostor. You don't have to be a TM teacher to be a good TM checker. Don't listen to Curtis either, he forgot how to meditate - they both just like to spout off claiming some kind of TMO status. And Vaj apparently has never even tried TM. The best advice given so far is Sal's. Trust your own feelings and your own common sense. Do NOT trust anything told to you by people who lost their minds years ago to the TM movement. They do not have your best interests in mind. The only thing they care about is preserving their illusions about TM and Maharishi and their own inflated egos. Yeah, but you've been in and out of cults almost your entire adult life, so look who is talking! Good luck. I have no specific advice to offer other than this, because unlike Jim, I don't believe that I have all the answers. So, that's your advice.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Looking for a Buddy
Please understand that Jim (sandiego108), who is being so free with his advice, is not even a TM teacher. As Sal said so well, he's someone who drank the TM Kool-Aid and now poses here as enlightened, even though my bet is that no one on this forum believes it but him. The best advice given so far is Sal's. Trust your own feelings and your own common sense. Do NOT trust anything told to you by people who lost their minds years ago to the TM movement. They do not have your best interests in mind. The only thing they care about is preserving their illusions about TM and Maharishi and their own inflated egos. Good luck. I have no specific advice to offer other than this, because unlike Jim, I don't believe that I have all the answers. Barry, you sound like you're flipping out... Best advice I can give you (yes, unbidden...) is to consider the future possibility of your permanent enlightenment, and try not to distract yourself by focusing on someone like me, who you neither respect or believe. You will get a lot further that way I promise you. Simon, did I mention that Jim has the IQ of a gnat? :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Looking for a Buddy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please understand that Jim (sandiego108), who is being so free with his advice, is not even a TM teacher. As Sal said so well, he's someone who drank the TM Kool-Aid and now poses here as enlightened, even though my bet is that no one on this forum believes it but him. The best advice given so far is Sal's. Trust your own feelings and your own common sense. Do NOT trust anything told to you by people who lost their minds years ago to the TM movement. They do not have your best interests in mind. The only thing they care about is preserving their illusions about TM and Maharishi and their own inflated egos. Good luck. I have no specific advice to offer other than this, because unlike Jim, I don't believe that I have all the answers. Barry, you sound like you're flipping out... Best advice I can give you (yes, unbidden...) is to consider the future possibility of your permanent enlightenment, and try not to distract yourself by focusing on someone like me, who you neither respect or believe. You will get a lot further that way I promise you. Simon, did I mention that Jim has the IQ of a gnat? :-) That's why I bug you so much!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Looking for a Buddy
Dear Louis, Your advice rings true and simple my first ever meditation just happened (and after felt so nice... so back to myself, and then I encountered extreme head problems unstressing after that ... My feeling is that I have been straining/concentrating for some time now if I think the mantra easily and let go... there is nothing extreme discomfort in the experience of ouch! going on I've been told in a Maharishi Jyotish consultation (without them knowing from me... that there are difficulties with the spiritual growth until March 08 2010I experience a wall in meditation of rigidity in mind and the head. Mantra just doesnt get repeated if I don't think it after first repitition. My teacher says just think it as easy as possible... but this feels like effort. so for now at least I would rather not do TM than do not-TM. I love TM and know from just one (my first) experience that it is sublime, automatic, and in direction. I will experiment with your sound advice (which I feel comes from your experience.) and see if I can be effortless... very difficult right now. which, unfortunately in saying expresses that. thanks for your genuine helpful words... Best wishes, Simon
[FairfieldLife] Re: More arrivals of Maharishi Vedic Pandits
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In this morning's Invincibility Assembly call, Bevan announced that 75 more Maharishi Vedic Pandits arrived early today, 75 more are expected tomorrow, and 55 more Friday. After Friday, our numbers for weekday evening programs will be up to the range of 1,900-2,000! What are the total numbers of pundits now in FF? OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: More arrivals of Maharishi Vedic Pandits
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In this morning's Invincibility Assembly call, Bevan announced that 75 more Maharishi Vedic Pandits arrived early today, 75 more are expected tomorrow, and 55 more Friday. After Friday, our numbers for weekday evening programs will be up to the range of 1,900-2,000! What are the total numbers of pundits now in FF? OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Looking for a Buddy
In addition to what San Diego said, you can cut your TM down to 5 or 10 minutes twice a day or 15 minutes twice a day, whatever works for you is the way to go --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Simon Groves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Louis, Your advice rings true and simple my first ever meditation just happened (and after felt so nice... so back to myself, and then I encountered extreme head problems unstressing after that ... My feeling is that I have been straining/concentrating for some time now if I think the mantra easily and let go... there is nothing extreme discomfort in the experience of ouch! going on I've been told in a Maharishi Jyotish consultation (without them knowing from me... that there are difficulties with the spiritual growth until March 08 2010I experience a wall in meditation of rigidity in mind and the head. Mantra just doesnt get repeated if I don't think it after first repitition. My teacher says just think it as easy as possible... but this feels like effort. so for now at least I would rather not do TM than do not-TM. I love TM and know from just one (my first) experience that it is sublime, automatic, and in direction. I will experiment with your sound advice (which I feel comes from your experience.) and see if I can be effortless... very difficult right now. which, unfortunately in saying expresses that. thanks for your genuine helpful words... Best wishes, Simon
[FairfieldLife] Andromeda Strain
Anyone watching this on AE? It is a two part mini-series produced by Ridley and Tony Scott. I watched the first part last night and the conclusion is tonight (check your local listings for time and channel). Not too bad actually and I got a kick out of how some of the infected start spewing end of days and mark of the beast stuff. I found the original movie though popular more plodding than this version. And of course they are able to create better special effects these days.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Looking for a Buddy
Thank you Simon, I am an old MIU Student. In the old days one could not complain very much about unstressing. Plus when I did I got adivce from people who were not having the experiences I was so I had to find what worked for me. At MIU I found such things as eating peanut butter, and food that are grounding really helpful, running or playing basketball, was good. After the first TM Sidhi course for students they had people do things like run in the ice cold snow weather. WOW! was I glad I did not have to do that. As a rebirther for 20 years I had a lot of time to learn about letting spirit work and not trying to make things happen for myself or others. The hardest thing to learn has been ITS OK. There is no rule book. No one says you have to meditate everyday twice a day, no one says you HAVE to do anything. You are your own master. If you choose to Meditate you may find it will help you feel better. Be careful with advice that may have very little to do with you. I meditate as much as I can, I hate to sleepatate. I love it when I just let the mantra do its thing. There have been days when my mantra was the whole meditation and days when I did not remember if I used the mantra at all. Who is counting? In the last 34 years there has not beeen one year that has passed that I have not meditated. I may have gone six months or three but always I come back to the mantra. Why? well I would take breaks because I did not want to be a robot. I did not want to do something without wanting to. So I would take a break here and there. Remember Maharishi gave the analogy of dipping the cloth. Well sometimes it is necessary to give some time for the color to integrate. Your mantra is always there you can go back to meditating any time or what ever. The greatest gift Maharishi has given with TM is freedom. Anyone who does not see that is because they may need to find a good shrink. You are not obligated to do anything. When I was a student I found relief sometimes in releasing sexual energy. When I was first to fly on the Sidhis course one guy even complained that this technique must be bullshit because how could I fly and he not.He was a go to bed at ten kind of guy and I would be up till 2 or 3 in the morning. He never did things like read sex books or masturbate and I did. So something must have been bogus.Well I was not under anyone's rules just God's. So One thing I did have was phase one of TTC and the checking notes so having memorized them I learned to check my own meditation. Key introduce the mantra and just let go. Strain is very subtle it may not even be noticed. One last thing something that I was told once during a real heavy unstressing time in my first quarter of MIU. Sometimes when clear big blocks the road can be very rough. At age 19 I was fighting with lesbian TM teachers, failing in school, head of a TM student ORG as in TMC at MIU. Unstressing like crazy. One day as I began to just surrender to failing I would sit on the hill next to the learning center laying and looking at the sky and things would become very transparent. I could see even fishes in the pond. I felt so peaceful and so connected that I could not help but be happy. When I would have those kinds of experiences I would think what would have happened if I had quit.Good luck and whatever you decide to do just know it is ALL OK no rights no wrongs. Obviously you are in good shape you knew enough to ask for help that is a great sign of your balance and maturity. Jai Guru Dev Simon Groves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Louis, Your advice rings true and simple my first ever meditation just happened (and after felt so nice... so back to myself, and then I encountered extreme head problems unstressing after that ... My feeling is that I have been straining/concentrating for some time now if I think the mantra easily and let go... there is nothing extreme discomfort in the experience of ouch! going on I've been told in a Maharishi Jyotish consultation (without them knowing from me... that there are difficulties with the spiritual growth until March 08 2010I experience a wall in meditation of rigidity in mind and the head. Mantra just doesnt get repeated if I don't think it after first repitition. My teacher says just think it as easy as possible... but this feels like effort. so for now at least I would rather not do TM than do not-TM. I love TM and know from just one (my first) experience that it is sublime, automatic, and in direction. I will experiment with your sound advice (which I feel comes from your experience.) and see if I can be effortless... very difficult right now. which, unfortunately in saying expresses that. thanks for your genuine helpful words... Best wishes, Simon
[FairfieldLife] Re: Looking for a Buddy
Don't listen to Curtis either, he forgot how to meditate - they both just like to spout off claiming some kind of TMO status. Curtis wrote: Damn Richard, demoting me from even meditator status. That is kinda harsh dontcha think? Plus by your definition of meditation being just thinking things over, I had to meditate just to post this response! Good one! But you had to concentrate to even spell correctly, so really you didn't meditate all that much before you posted the first time.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Looking for a Buddy
On May 27, 2008, at 3:27 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 27, 2008, at 3:05 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: As a TM teacher I doled out plenty of this kind of advice thinking that Maharishi's programs were complete and did not need any help from mental health professionals. I watched 3 friend's lose their minds in catastrophic breakdowns after ignoring their serious symptoms. Was this from TM or TMSP? WTF? I really can't claim a causal connection, schizophrenia commonly comes on in the twenties and this is when it hit them. But they all had symptoms that they ignored knowing that seeing a professional would be the kiss of death for their movement dreams. Scary nonetheless. So there was eventually a formal diagnosis of schizophrenia?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Looking for a Buddy
On May 27, 2008, at 3:33 PM, tertonzeno wrote: --Good advice, Vaj!. Thanks to you, I have the kundalinicare book; but it's somewhat short on techniques and long on kundalini descriptions. My advice, check out the online pic of the kundalinicare book. He's in the Saraswati lineage and his Guru or grand-guru frequented the area of Rishikesh. Well I don't recommend the book for all the answers, but to give TM folks who were conditioned to believe they had 'the whole thing, the real thing' to have some idea what is possible and many times a rescue line. It takes years to learn all the techniques it describes, but then, that's only if you want to teach them. If you want a way out, that simple enough. There are a number of books I recommend to TMers or Ex-TMers and Kundalini Vidya is certainly one. The other two are While the Gods Play by Alain Danielou, who was a student of one of Guru Dev's most important followers (and a Sanskrit scholar on top of that), and Aghora: At the Left Hand of God. If these three works don't shatter the namby-pamby legends of the TMO, you need some serious help.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Looking for a Buddy
On May 27, 2008, at 3:58 PM, Bhairitu wrote: Yup, he should try a different technique. Or consider stopping meditation for an undetermined period. That is a little difficult as I would only recommend a technique from some qualified teacher and you have to be in an area where you can find those plus learn to scope out someone to see if they are the real deal or not.. If he were in my area I could teach him a much safer technique and help with the impasse. If he is a vegetarian it would have to be the proper vegetarian diet as there are many spins and most meditators eat like yogis but don't have the body for it. Esp. Americans. It's so easy to get vata'd out living on veggies. Once vata's out, everything else follows.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Looking for a Buddy
Scary nonetheless. So there was eventually a formal diagnosis of schizophrenia? In two of them I knew the diagnosis. In the third I am guessing based on the psychotic breakdown. That guy became a street person so he wasn't getting medical help. All three were students at MIU. The two who got medical care seemed to do better on medication but one of them hated to take it because it killed his buzz so he would go off. It was such a tragedy for his family. Nice bright young adult's whose lives were totally derailed by brain chemistry. In the two cases their doctors did get them off TM right away but this caused a lot of internal conflict for them due to their belief that this took them off the path of enlightenment. But going inside in a non directed way was very dangerous for them. Tragic all around. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 27, 2008, at 3:27 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On May 27, 2008, at 3:05 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: As a TM teacher I doled out plenty of this kind of advice thinking that Maharishi's programs were complete and did not need any help from mental health professionals. I watched 3 friend's lose their minds in catastrophic breakdowns after ignoring their serious symptoms. Was this from TM or TMSP? WTF? I really can't claim a causal connection, schizophrenia commonly comes on in the twenties and this is when it hit them. But they all had symptoms that they ignored knowing that seeing a professional would be the kiss of death for their movement dreams. Scary nonetheless. So there was eventually a formal diagnosis of schizophrenia?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Looking for a Buddy
Simon, I might be able to help you. I'm a clinical psychologist and also a 30 plus year meditator/ Governor. Please email me directly rather than through the newsgroup. -Peter Sutphen --- simon.groves123 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To whom-ever it might interest, I've been meditating (TM) for 7 years and have encountered a rough ride, (ongoing difficulty with temendous unstressing) since I began. Recently I have run up against much increase in physical unstressing and increased difficulty in and out of meditation, with tough physio- mental stuff disrupting my Asana routine. I would be grateful if any experienced meditator might be interested in helping me see through my mistakes in the intellect regarding my practice (Asanas, Pranayama, TM). In the role of an (online) TM Buddy I have had some insight into the nature of my mental obstruction (which is quite scary - tricky for me but my seeming ability to know how to proceed is in confusion. I've come to a self-made impasse and it might be good to have the occasional reminder that its not all so serious as it seems to me right now. Looking to to overcome, Best wishes Simon Groves To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Looking for a Buddy
The Biggest joke at MIU in the 70's John Shapiro Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Curtis wrote: Although I am not the right person for your job of buddy which sounds a bit AA, I would like to propose that you may have run into counter evidence to the belief that meditation is good for everyone. It depends on how you define 'meditation'. If meditation is just thinking, then everyone meditates, and that's a good thing. If you define meditation as a cult activity where people go off to Spain for years and sit all alone with a depressed sex drive, then I'd say it could be very dangerous to your your libido. And doing my best to say this without sounding like a total dick (I stuck total in there for some wiggle room) you might want to consider going to a mental health professional rather than taking random advise from strangers about your mental health issues. It hasn't been established that Simon has any 'mental health issues' to discuss - maybe you're projecting. Even if you go to an actual TM teacher in person for some personalized advise about your meditation practice you will not find an informed professional in mental health. (I hope you realize that TM teachers are not trained with any insight into mental disorders and will just repeat what they learned by rote until you go away.) This is outrageous! Most of checkers I know are very good at helping with meditation. Curtis, why do you make up this stuff? I taught a bunch of people TM and most of the people who described tremendous unstressing ended up with mental health problems that went undiagnosed while they kept banging their head against the wall of hope that the TM organization had any personalized answers for a problem better handled by a mental health professional. This wouldn't have been a problem if you TM teachers had shut up about reaching 'enlightenment' and filling their heads with goofy notions like 'regenerating' the whole world. I'm pretty confident that an online advise buddy is not what you need. On the contrary - most people do feel better when they have someone to talk to. The problem is, informers like you want to insist that others have 'mental issues' just because they want to ask a few simple questions. Quack! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Re: Looking for a Buddy
snip And doing my best to say this without sounding like a total dick (I stuck total in there for some wiggle room) you might want to consider going to a mental health professional rather than taking random advise from strangers about your mental health issues. It hasn't been established that Simon has any 'mental health issues' to discuss Thus the recommendation to speak with a professional. Since Peter spoke up he'll get the best of both worlds. - maybe you're projecting. Pop psychology is so much fun, and the jargon is so great for putdowns isn't it? Even if you go to an actual TM teacher in person for some personalized advise about your meditation practice you will not find an informed professional in mental health. (I hope you realize that TM teachers are not trained with any insight into mental disorders and will just repeat what they learned by rote until you go away.) This is outrageous! Most of checkers I know are very good at helping with meditation. Curtis, why do you make up this stuff? Because I checked the meditation of hundreds of people and this guys description lied beyond their knowledge base. Snip This wouldn't have been a problem if you TM teachers had shut up about reaching 'enlightenment' and filling their heads with goofy notions like 'regenerating' the whole world. Please make the list of which parts of Maharishi's mandatory teaching program teachers should pick and choose from when they represent his organization under the legally binding reltaionship in his centers Richard. You never represented his teaching so you have no idea what you are talking about. It wasn't a Chinese restaurant menu with a column A and a column B. I'm pretty confident that an online advise buddy is not what you need. On the contrary - most people do feel better when they have someone to talk to. \ Agreed and this gets shut down in the checking procedure which is completely mechanical. Yes, but now this will be better is how a good checker shuts a person up who wants to talk. The problem is, informers like you want to insist that others have 'mental issues' just because they want to ask a few simple questions. His description of his issues extends beyond what a teacher can deal with Richard. So I suggested that he see someone who knows more than the checking notes. No one is stopping him from asking a few simple questions. Quack! Duck you Richard.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Looking for a Buddy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Louis McKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Biggest joke at MIU in the 70's John Shapiro He seemed like a nice enough guy. But when I brought one of my friends to him during his psychotic breakdown while we were having lunch he seem pretty terrified and over his head. Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Curtis wrote: Although I am not the right person for your job of buddy which sounds a bit AA, I would like to propose that you may have run into counter evidence to the belief that meditation is good for everyone. It depends on how you define 'meditation'. If meditation is just thinking, then everyone meditates, and that's a good thing. If you define meditation as a cult activity where people go off to Spain for years and sit all alone with a depressed sex drive, then I'd say it could be very dangerous to your your libido. And doing my best to say this without sounding like a total dick (I stuck total in there for some wiggle room) you might want to consider going to a mental health professional rather than taking random advise from strangers about your mental health issues. It hasn't been established that Simon has any 'mental health issues' to discuss - maybe you're projecting. Even if you go to an actual TM teacher in person for some personalized advise about your meditation practice you will not find an informed professional in mental health. (I hope you realize that TM teachers are not trained with any insight into mental disorders and will just repeat what they learned by rote until you go away.) This is outrageous! Most of checkers I know are very good at helping with meditation. Curtis, why do you make up this stuff? I taught a bunch of people TM and most of the people who described tremendous unstressing ended up with mental health problems that went undiagnosed while they kept banging their head against the wall of hope that the TM organization had any personalized answers for a problem better handled by a mental health professional. This wouldn't have been a problem if you TM teachers had shut up about reaching 'enlightenment' and filling their heads with goofy notions like 'regenerating' the whole world. I'm pretty confident that an online advise buddy is not what you need. On the contrary - most people do feel better when they have someone to talk to. The problem is, informers like you want to insist that others have 'mental issues' just because they want to ask a few simple questions. Quack! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Re: More arrivals of Maharishi Vedic Pandits
About 750 are there now.Goal - 1050 total. More housing is needed at this point for the current 750 and for the eventual 1050. Plan is to comfortably settle all 1050 on one site near MVC. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays dickmays@ wrote: In this morning's Invincibility Assembly call, Bevan announced that 75 more Maharishi Vedic Pandits arrived early today, 75 more are expected tomorrow, and 55 more Friday. After Friday, our numbers for weekday evening programs will be up to the range of 1,900-2,000! What are the total numbers of pundits now in FF? OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Looking for a Buddy
Good move, Dr. Pete. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Simon, I might be able to help you. I'm a clinical psychologist and also a 30 plus year meditator/ Governor. Please email me directly rather than through the newsgroup. -Peter Sutphen --- simon.groves123 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To whom-ever it might interest, I've been meditating (TM) for 7 years and have encountered a rough ride, (ongoing difficulty with temendous unstressing) since I began. Recently I have run up against much increase in physical unstressing and increased difficulty in and out of meditation, with tough physio- mental stuff disrupting my Asana routine. I would be grateful if any experienced meditator might be interested in helping me see through my mistakes in the intellect regarding my practice (Asanas, Pranayama, TM). In the role of an (online) TM Buddy I have had some insight into the nature of my mental obstruction (which is quite scary - tricky for me but my seeming ability to know how to proceed is in confusion. I've come to a self-made impasse and it might be good to have the occasional reminder that its not all so serious as it seems to me right now. Looking to to overcome, Best wishes Simon Groves To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [FairfieldLife] Andromeda Strain
i flipped the TV on just as the cop grabbed the waitress by the wrist and shot four people in the face and then blew his brains out. Nice special effects, just like in real life...h no thanks... --- Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone watching this on AE? It is a two part mini-series produced by Ridley and Tony Scott. I watched the first part last night and the conclusion is tonight (check your local listings for time and channel). Not too bad actually and I got a kick out of how some of the infected start spewing end of days and mark of the beast stuff. I found the original movie though popular more plodding than this version. And of course they are able to create better special effects these days. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[FairfieldLife] What Makes M.U.M. Unique on Life and Love TV
Charming! http://www.lifeandlove.tv/video.cfm/cid/2002/vid/1183http://www.lifeandlove.tv/video.cfm/cid/2002/vid/1183 Consciousness, Creativity and Education The Maharishi University of Management Consciousness-based education This is evolved education, this is the future for all schooling. This is magnificent! A short film by the students in honor of the students. Related Articles Message from David Lynch In today's world of fear and uncertainty, every child should have one class period a day to dive within himself and experience the field of silence-bliss-the enormous reservoir of energy and intelligence... Read Article: http://www.lifeandlove.tv/article.cfm/aid/1076attachment: image 24.jpgattachment: image 25.jpg
[FairfieldLife] Eckankar on Soul Travel vs Kirpal Singh
from a tripod blog: Soul Travel All of the Radhasoami branches speak at length about leaving the body at will or dying while living or going within. Kirpal Singh, in particular, laid special emphasis on experiencing above body consciousness and seeing inner light and hearing inner sound. Indeed, he buttressed his claims for mastership by stating univocally that only a competent master could offer inner glimpses at the very time of initiation. Paul Twitchell seems to have been fascinated with out-of-body experiences. Most of his early 1960s articles, just prior to the founding of Eckankar, talk about bilocation or the ability to be in two places at the same time. By the time he started Eckankar in 1965, Twitchell had coined a term called soul travel to describe in a nutshell what his path was all about. Although it is clear that Twitchell learned of soul travel from his association with Swami Premananda and Kirpal Singh, in developing Eckankar he modified the term to represent something a bit different than what his original teachers had in mind. In Radhasoami meditation practice, for example, emphasis is placed on achieving out-of-body experiences while one is conscious. Thus any experiences that are derived during unconscious processes, like dreams and such, are not given much credence. However, the chief method by which Twitchell soul traveled was by sleeping and having dreams. In his numerous letters to Kirpal Singh, Twitchell repeatedly mentions how he left his body after lying down and going to sleep. Dreams for Twitchell were the gateway to other worlds. Kirpal Singh was suspicious of this modus operandi because in his tradition dreams are extremely unreliable and may not necessarily indicate a higher state of consciousness but rather a lower one. It was precisely on this point that Kirpal Singh critiqued Twitchell's manuscript, The Tiger's Fang, and which eventually led to their irresolvable rift. To achieve out-of-body experiences during the waking state is a very difficult thing, according to Radhasoami practitioners. To achieve such during dreaming is much more easy, even if much more suspect and unreliable. That Twitchell emphasized the latter and not the former (in Radhasoami an initiate is enjoined to spend not less than two and a half hours in meditation daily; in Eckankar the chela, as students are called, are enjoined to do about twenty minutes twice daily of spiritual exercises) proved to be one of the great attractions of Eckankar to new seekers. Since almost everybody dreams, the relative success rate of Eckists is bound to be much higher than those in Radhasoami, where only waking experiences are given value. Whether Twitchell consciously realized this as a marketing tool is unclear, but it is certain that it contrasted dramatically with Kirpal Singh's teachings. Today dreaming is perhaps the central way for Eckists to experience the truth of their path. The present leader Harold Klemp when describing most of his inner experiences bases them upon his dream excursions. Eckists have also followed suit.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Superhighway to Bliss
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 26, 2008, at 3:16 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: The article's echoing the profound sentiments in her TED video. If you haven't seen that, skip reading the article and go directly to http://www.ted.com/talks/view/id/229 link Her book is excellent as well. It touches on an interesting topic and that is laterality (as neuroscientists see it) of the brain and the idea that different states of consciousness--a completely different realm of consciousness--can be tapped into by changing the predominant lateral brain hemisphere mode most humans operate in. It was actually once believed (and claimed) that TM produced such a shift (remember the claim flexibility?), but later research at Harvard reversed that claim. Which EEG research at Harvard was done on TMers? See Consciousness and Self-Regulation 3, the chapter on Meditation: In Search of a Unique Effect. They also demonstrate that, with appropriate controls, alpha coherence actually decreases during TM. REference to a book is always problematic. COuld you be more specific than a few hundred pages? Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Superhighway to Bliss
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On May 26, 2008, at 3:16 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: The article's echoing the profound sentiments in her TED video. If you haven't seen that, skip reading the article and go directly to http://www.ted.com/talks/view/id/229 link Her book is excellent as well. It touches on an interesting topic and that is laterality (as neuroscientists see it) of the brain and the idea that different states of consciousness--a completely different realm of consciousness--can be tapped into by changing the predominant lateral brain hemisphere mode most humans operate in. It was actually once believed (and claimed) that TM produced such a shift (remember the claim flexibility?), but later research at Harvard reversed that claim. Which EEG research at Harvard was done on TMers? See Consciousness and Self-Regulation 3, the chapter on Meditation: In Search of a Unique Effect. They also demonstrate that, with appropriate controls, alpha coherence actually decreases during TM. REference to a book is always problematic. COuld you be more specific than a few hundred pages? Reference to a 25 year old book that has been out of print for two decades is even more problematic. But I suspect you knew this. Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: Looking for a Buddy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, simon.groves123 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To whom-ever it might interest, I've been meditating (TM) for 7 years and have encountered a rough ride, (ongoing difficulty with temendous unstressing) since I began. Recently I have run up against much increase in physical unstressing and increased difficulty in and out of meditation, with tough physio- mental stuff disrupting my Asana routine. I would be grateful if any experienced meditator might be interested in helping me see through my mistakes in the intellect regarding my practice (Asanas, Pranayama, TM). In the role of an (online) TM Buddy I have had some insight into the nature of my mental obstruction (which is quite scary - tricky for me but my seeming ability to know how to proceed is in confusion. I've come to a self-made impasse and it might be good to have the occasional reminder that its not all so serious as it seems to me right now. Looking to to overcome, Best wishes Simon Groves Might I suggest talking to a TM teacher in a more calm and personal setting than one of the most notoriously hostile-to-TM forums in the world? lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: another great movie - Sliding Doors
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: [...] Also: tech people in the know about the internet are concerned because the internet simply isn't built to handle the downloading of so many movies; it just wasn't built for that and, yes, if too much of it is going to start being done, it will overload the system. See: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2007/feb/10/news.newmedia Now, I'm sure that technologies are in the work that will solve the problem, but we're just not there yet. Congress knows about it too, and the most tech-oriented are worried. The average DSL/cable connectivity in the USA is waaay down the list for industrialized nations. To put that in perspective, Singapore put T1-level connections in every hone as soon as it existed, which was probably 20+ years ago. Cox Cable is only now upgrading to that level in Tucson. How about going Wi-Fi en masse...would that solve the problem? I believe that wi-fi is generally slower cost/performance wise Otherwise, we'd all be using cellphones. Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Macintosh $1000 retail market share greater than 66% in USA
Honest: http://apple20.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2008/05/19/report-apples-market-share-of- pcs-over-1000-hits-66/? http://tinyurl.com/6d7a4g MAY 19, 2008, 7:33 AM Report: Appleâs market share of PCs over $1,000 hits 66% Hereâs a new way to slice Appleâs growing share of the computer market. Last March, the NPD Group reported that Appleâs retail market share â its cut of the computers sold in brick-and-mortar stores â had climbed to 14%, a figure thatâs roughly double its overall share of the U.S. market and reflects the power of the Apple Store to draw customers and move product. What NPD didnât report at the time was the huge growth in Appleâs share of the so-called âpremiumâ computer market â machines that cost more than $1,000. [...]
Re: [FairfieldLife] Macintosh $1000 retail market share greater than 66% in USA
sparaig wrote: Honest: http://apple20.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2008/05/19/report-apples-market-share-of- pcs-over-1000-hits-66/? http://tinyurl.com/6d7a4g MAY 19, 2008, 7:33 AM Report: Apple’s market share of PCs over $1,000 hits 66% Here’s a new way to slice Apple’s growing share of the computer market. Last March, the NPD Group reported that Apple’s retail market share †its cut of the computers sold in brick-and-mortar stores †had climbed to 14%, a figure that’s roughly double its overall share of the U.S. market and reflects the power of the Apple Store to draw customers and move product. What NPD didn’t report at the time was the huge growth in Apple’s share of the so-called “premium� computer market †machines that cost more than $1,000. [...] And we see how being different effects its readability with it's obtuse character set. :D Or are you trying to communicate with aliens, fanboy? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: another great movie - Sliding Doors
film_man_pdx wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW, how is netflix for rare dvds? Does it carry the Canadian Film Board's Ryan, for example? Lwason Netflix is great. We've had it for about 5+ years and could not be happier. They do have the doc. Ryan: The Special Edition DVD. I've been happy with the rarieties that they carry, like the doc. on Tom Dowd, the late music recording engineer. The service isn't perfect, but I know that just on gas alone I'm saving big bucks because the nearest video store is a 10 mile round trip. Then, there are no late fees as well. I'm not too happy with the download service image quality since we watch on a 65 HD RPTV, so unless we are watching it on a laptop, we just wait for the DVD. Netflix is not perfect, but it's a damn sight better than anything else. Porltand has a few great video stores about 20 miles from where I live that carry rare and out of print DVD's and VHS material. If Netflix doesn't have it then I partake of their service. Trilogy Video and Video Madness are the 2 stores I speak of. Tangent Alert! Because Dish Network dropped the Voom channels from their HD satellite service last week we are kissing them good bye. Voom offered all sorts of rarities and was my reason for going to Dish 2 years ago. Since we now have FiOS in our area with comparable content with better image quality at a cheaper price, it's good bye Dish. I would have stayed with them had the kept Voom, but they needed to offer more dreck apparently and bumped their channels. I still do things the old fashioned way by going to the local Hollywood Video for rentals. I pick things by mood so someone mailing me something I'm not in the mood for won't work. And I was an early Netflix customer too, way back when almost no local rental outlet carried DVDs. The mom and pops have gone away in my area and I am probably going to reactivate my Blockbuster account so I can watch some of the films missing from HV because of the exclusive deals that BB has made with the Weinstein's and a few other studios with films I like. I'm still wondering if BluRay is really going to get off the ground because those jerks make it a pain for a studio put out something on BluRay (HD-DVD was easier). BD may wind up the Laserdisc of this era. I may have bought more than one white elephant. BTW, by download do you have the Roku box Netflix is using? Probably not because I think it just released and I was wondering if it upscales to HD (nothing indicates that on the site). I'll have to trot over to AVSForum to see if folks got theirs and put it through its paces. I had Dish as my first HD provider and then Comcast upgraded the cable system and offered more HD. Seems all these providers are hucksters though. The P.T. Barnums of our time. VOD is the future but it has to be way opened up. IOW, anyone who has properties can set up something like a web site and offer the properties through the VOD channels. There are lots of foreign films I'd like to see that just aren't reaching the US as well as era films such as the great ones made in the 70's when people broke away from the studio system.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Real time vs. my time; commercials vs. commercial-free
TurquoiseB wrote: It's a high-tech world, one that has left the traditional models of capitalism behind. As Molly Woods pointed out on the C/NET Buzz Report the other day, if the music companies had just caught the wave and allowed fair- price downloading of their music early on, they would have *made* millions and perhaps billions of dollars doing so by now, instead of spending millions and perhaps billions trying to prosecute some pimply-faced kid for ripping a free version of the latest Black Sabbath album. The whole piracy thing is like the Revenge of the Nerds for real. The frat boys now run the movie studios and think about as stupidly too. They are terrible people to maintain the arts. They think they own the arts but they don't. The nerds always out think them. We also need to replace our politicians with computer literate ones since those dummies just passed a piracy bill is way too draconian. I mean come 'on, pirating a video is in no way the equivalent to shooting someone but they sure want to penalize it that way. And the prison industrial complex is licking their chops.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Andromeda Strain
Nope, definitely not for children. :D Peter wrote: i flipped the TV on just as the cop grabbed the waitress by the wrist and shot four people in the face and then blew his brains out. Nice special effects, just like in real life...h no thanks... --- Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Re: [FairfieldLife] Macintosh $1000 retail market share greater than 66% in USA
sparaig wrote: Honest: http://apple20.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2008/05/19/report-apples-market-share-of- pcs-over-1000-hits-66/? http://tinyurl.com/6d7a4g MAY 19, 2008, 7:33 AM Report: Apple’s market share of PCs over $1,000 hits 66% Here’s a new way to slice Apple’s growing share of the computer market. Last March, the NPD Group reported that Apple’s retail market share †its cut of the computers sold in brick-and-mortar stores †had climbed to 14%, a figure that’s roughly double its overall share of the U.S. market and reflects the power of the Apple Store to draw customers and move product. What NPD didn’t report at the time was the huge growth in Apple’s share of the so-called “premium� computer market †machines that cost more than $1,000. [...] What this really means is that you can by a perfectly fine PC for under $1000, even good laptops. Macs are overpriced and Jobs is laughing all the way to the bank. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] From a friend
The following I received from a friend of mind. Its his response to a recent email I sent out which I think you all received about Dr. Jill Taylor Bolte. I think this is beautiful recollection of being on the IA course. I emailed him once I read this and ask if I could send this out to all I know in Fairfeld and he said it was OK but including his name was not important. So I haven't. Charles I would watch, however, we can't all have a massive stroke on the left, and then nirvana on the right. We can all have transcending, if we can all think a thought. And as Maharishi said the time for talk is over. The time for experience is from then on forward. All of the books and talk is what has been going on. Transcending, transcending, transcending is what the world needs. This will wake up the whole world, but those who transcend first will wake up first. And as they wake up, they will know they are waking up. And when they wake up, they will know what it means to be awake. Most interesting was Maharishi saying after 50 years. We are inside there, inside there. Regarding peoples specific experiences. And his saying We are at the end of the journey. No more questions about life and what am I. Yet also saying. It is almost without limit where we can go with this- And he said the shlok Being devoted to me, I will work for you. - And the other shlok. Holding on to myself, I create again and again. I find the challenge of being away from the dome a blessing. A true challenge. Now I must learn to master what I discovered in the dome. I don't know what will happen. But I know exactly what it means to think inside the transcendent. I know that I am the disputable, pure, perfect, forever fresh, Lord of the Universe, flowing as Lord, Love, and God, into my indisputeable, individualtiy, with all of its limitations, and mortality. I just am amazed at this awakening served up to my individuality, accepted by me, and surrendered to me, by following Maharishi, by having the simple intelligence to follow the path of truth in my own awareness, and to recognize that Maharishi may be able to unveil life as I hoped. Maharishi said at the end, one with many memories. Maharishi said during the course, All good for everyone, none good for no-one. The key is innocence, just to be more innocent, to just do the program, to do the meditation, to forget about all of the books, and fall, fall like backwards, just let everything fall toward the brilliant intelligence of the big self, and away from the dream of the relative illusion of the mortal self. Fall through the flat white surface if it is there. Fall away from the mantra if there is a deeper level there. Fall away from the sutra if there is a deeper level there. Fall to innocence if there is a deeper innocence there. Fall to your deepest level. Fall to brilliant intelligence if there is a deeper intelligence there. And ones life will work like this. And this will become the perfect function of the Big Self and the Little self working correctly in action. This is where meditation becomes yogi. This is where yogi becomes guru. This is where student becomes teacher and respects teacher even more. To stay awake, to wake up, to be there intellect still lively, attention still awake, to remember in plain English what one is experiencing in the depths. The experiences translate into language, and also one sees the lighted and darkness of the depths. And once I observed while in the dome the absolute perfection being disturbed by something, and I heard my thought, no,no, don't move it. And I tried to hold on to the perfection. And then the perfection took on the color of sky blue. I was the perfect sky blue, but the perfection kept on morfing, and I took on the form of a blue sphere, with other blue spheres, emerging onto the edge of the sky blue. And I moved from the ocean through the sphere, as an amoeba of sky blue back into my physical body. And I woke up literally lying on the foam in the dome. It was 10 am and Bevan Morris was calling the meeting over the loudspeaker. Can I ever forget this - I don't see how, because it brought 35 years of meditation to a new level of experience. And to talk about it is not the experience. But my experience of life may be much different. I just don't have alot of worry like before. I worry, then I reflect, then how can I worry. I am not limited. I may be lost in a billion billion billion billion fragments of individuality, but isn't then the game to understand the game I play. I live from one reality, one creation, one creator, one source code, one entity, one primal rule book of life, which can only be read by experience, experience, and more experience. And to talk about it, what a near waste of time without experience exceeding talk, prayer, or other experience. Experience the transcendent. No wonder I have no direction in the everday working world. And
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Looking for a Buddy
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vaj Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 2:19 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Looking for a Buddy You may also consider calling: HYPERLINK http://www.kundalinicare.comhttp://www.kundalinicare.com/ They are going to be in town this week: Dear All, You are invited to two great presentations on Kundalini Shakti, by Joan Shivarpita Harrigan, PhD., director of the Patanjali Kundalini Yoga Care center in Knoxville, Tennessee. She is the designated successor in the lineage of Traditional Kundalini Science specialists represented by Swami Chandrasekharanand Saraswati, and author of Kundalini Vidya: the Science of Spiritual Transformation. Lecture June 5:: Kundalini Shakti: Experiencing the Divine Within Date: Thursday, June 5 Time: 7:30 p.m. Place: Fairfield Public Library There is no charge for this lecture Seminar June 7: Understanding and Guiding Spiritual Development according to Traditional Kundalini Science Date: Saturday, June 7 Time: 10 am to 5 pm Place: Revelations (upstairs meeting room) Cost: $75 (or $60 for students and those over 65) The seminar will provide an overview of the following: * Kundalini: The Divine Power Within, Source of Spiritual Life * Subtle Body Physiology: The Koshas, Nadis, Chakras and Vayus * Characteristics and Dynamics of Kundalini Arousal, Release and Risings * Types of Kundalini Risings: Partial, Deflected, Intermediate, Full, Complete, Advanced * Supporting and Improving the Kundalini Process and Spiritual Life For more information or to get a copy of Joan Harrigan's book in advance of her visit, visit the website HYPERLINK http://www.kundalinicare.com/; \nwww.kundalinicare.com or call 472-7148. Thank you. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.1/1468 - Release Date: 5/26/2008 3:23 PM
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Looking for a Buddy
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Simon Groves Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 3:18 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Looking for a Buddy Dear Sandiego, Thank you for your very sensitive advice I think it's very easy to suggest a visit to the psychiatrist... but as kind as they are... they can only sympathize and offer something to numb the brain (the neck upward) (this is my experience) I both love TM and can't face the unstressing at this time. so your advice is so compassionate and sensible thank you... all of it very good thank you. I will return to it just one taste of nectar is enoug for me to be drawn... in time. Best wishes Simon Are you in the UK Simon? I know a couple of very good meditating psychiatrists, one in FF and one in LA. They would understand your situation. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.1/1468 - Release Date: 5/26/2008 3:23 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: Looking for a Buddy
Bingo- Sparaig wins the prize for best response in this whole string. However, who's to argue that this is not one of the most notoriously hostile but the most seriously hostile TM forums in the world? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, simon.groves123 simon.groves1@ wrote: To whom-ever it might interest, I've been meditating (TM) for 7 years and have encountered a rough ride, (ongoing difficulty with temendous unstressing) since I began. Recently I have run up against much increase in physical unstressing and increased difficulty in and out of meditation, with tough physio- mental stuff disrupting my Asana routine. I would be grateful if any experienced meditator might be interested in helping me see through my mistakes in the intellect regarding my practice (Asanas, Pranayama, TM). In the role of an (online) TM Buddy I have had some insight into the nature of my mental obstruction (which is quite scary - tricky for me but my seeming ability to know how to proceed is in confusion. I've come to a self-made impasse and it might be good to have the occasional reminder that its not all so serious as it seems to me right now. Looking to to overcome, Best wishes Simon Groves Might I suggest talking to a TM teacher in a more calm and personal setting than one of the most notoriously hostile-to-TM forums in the world? lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: Macintosh $1000 retail market share greater than 66% in USA
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sparaig wrote: Honest: http://apple20.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2008/05/19/report-apples-market-share- of- pcs-over-1000-hits-66/? http://tinyurl.com/6d7a4g MAY 19, 2008, 7:33 AM Report: Appleâs market share of PCs over $1,000 hits 66% Hereâs a new way to slice Appleâs growing share of the computer market. Last March, the NPD Group reported that Appleâs retail market share � its cut of the computers sold in brick-and-mortar stores � had climbed to 14%, a figure thatâs roughly double its overall share of the U.S. market and reflects the power of the Apple Store to draw customers and move product. What NPD didnât report at the time was the huge growth in Appleâs share of the so- called âpremiumâ computer market � machines that cost more than $1,000. [...] What this really means is that you can by a perfectly fine PC for under $1000, even good laptops. Macs are overpriced and Jobs is laughing all the way to the bank. Which is why PC World said the fastest Vista laptop they had tested was a MacBook Pro from Apple. http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,136649-page,3-c,notebooks/article.html Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: Looking for a Buddy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, simon.groves123 simon.groves1@ wrote: To whom-ever it might interest, I've been meditating (TM) for 7 years and have encountered a rough ride, (ongoing difficulty with temendous unstressing) since I began. Recently I have run up against much increase in physical unstressing and increased difficulty in and out of meditation, with tough physio- mental stuff disrupting my Asana routine. I would be grateful if any experienced meditator might be interested in helping me see through my mistakes in the intellect regarding my practice (Asanas, Pranayama, TM). In the role of an (online) TM Buddy I have had some insight into the nature of my mental obstruction (which is quite scary - tricky for me but my seeming ability to know how to proceed is in confusion. I've come to a self-made impasse and it might be good to have the occasional reminder that its not all so serious as it seems to me right now. Looking to to overcome, Best wishes Simon Groves Might I suggest talking to a TM teacher in a more calm and personal setting than one of the most notoriously hostile-to-TM forums in the world? lawson Sounds good to me -- I remember about two years after I started TM I got numerous checking sessions while I was on the Humboldt State College TM teacher training course (in Aug 1970). After I went through these couple weeks, I never had any need to get checked again. As far as physical symptoms go, I've had plenty, but that's good, right? It means that the nervous system is untwisting itself. Far better to have these signs of progress toward enlightenment, no matter how uncomfortable you may feel now, than to live without the purification that is the necessary accompaniment to evolution. The TM checking session is the proper forum to see if you are meditating correctly, and don't overdo TM when you establish that you are meditating effortlessly. WEll, I don't know if things are good or bad, but asking for TM help in THIS forum is hardly the best way to go. Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: Looking for a Buddy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, simon.groves123 simon.groves1@ wrote: To whom-ever it might interest, I've been meditating (TM) for 7 years and have encountered a rough ride, (ongoing difficulty with temendous unstressing) since I began. Recently I have run up against much increase in physical unstressing and increased difficulty in and out of meditation, with tough physio- mental stuff disrupting my Asana routine. I would be grateful if any experienced meditator might be interested in helping me see through my mistakes in the intellect regarding my practice (Asanas, Pranayama, TM). In the role of an (online) TM Buddy I have had some insight into the nature of my mental obstruction (which is quite scary - tricky for me but my seeming ability to know how to proceed is in confusion. I've come to a self-made impasse and it might be good to have the occasional reminder that its not all so serious as it seems to me right now. Looking to to overcome, Best wishes Simon Groves Might I suggest talking to a TM teacher in a more calm and personal setting than one of the most notoriously hostile-to-TM forums in the world? lawson Sounds good to me -- I remember about two years after I started TM I got numerous checking sessions while I was on the Humboldt State College TM teacher training course (in Aug 1970). After I went through these couple weeks, I never had any need to get checked again. As far as physical symptoms go, I've had plenty, but that's good, right? It means that the nervous system is untwisting itself. Far better to have these signs of progress toward enlightenment, no matter how uncomfortable you may feel now, than to live without the purification that is the necessary accompaniment to evolution. The TM checking session is the proper forum to see if you are meditating correctly, and don't overdo TM when you establish that you are meditating effortlessly.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Macintosh $1000 retail market share greater than 66% in USA
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: sparaig wrote: Honest: http://apple20.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2008/05/19/report-apples- market-share- of- pcs-over-1000-hits-66/? http://tinyurl.com/6d7a4g MAY 19, 2008, 7:33 AM Report: Appleâs market share of PCs over $1,000 hits 66% Hereâs a new way to slice Appleâs growing share of the computer market. Last March, the NPD Group reported that Appleâs retail market share � its cut of the computers sold in brick-and-mortar stores � had climbed to 14%, a figure thatâs roughly double its overall share of the U.S. market and reflects the power of the Apple Store to draw customers and move product. What NPD didnât report at the time was the huge growth in Appleâs share of the so- called âpremiumâ computer market � machines that cost more than $1,000. [...] What this really means is that you can by a perfectly fine PC for under $1000, even good laptops. Macs are overpriced and Jobs is laughing all the way to the bank. Which is why PC World said the fastest Vista laptop they had tested was a MacBook Pro from Apple. http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,136649-page,3- c,notebooks/article.html Lawson *** WAS the fastest Vista laptop: Correction: The MacBook Pro's reign as fastest notebook ended on 10/25/2007, not 11/23/2007 as was previously reported. We apologize for the error. http://tinyurl.com/34tnv4 This (probably available cheaper) PC laptop scored higher on the benchmark test: http://tinyurl.com/4t3qga and scoring even higher was this much cheaper PC laptop: http://tinyurl.com/4fymmo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Looking for a Buddy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- [...] WEll, I don't know if things are good or bad, but asking for TM help in THIS forum is hardly the best way to go. having said that, there's the old rule of thumb I heard ages ago: rest, rest, rest, activity. Rest more after meditation. Rest more before meditation. Rest more at night. Be more active after meditation. If there's still a need, reduce meditation time. Lawson
