[FairfieldLife] Re: Kucinich Presents Articles of Impeachment Against Bush
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Finally!!! On CSPAN now. Stream here: http://c-span.org/watch/cs_cspan_wm.asp?Cat=TVCode=CS http://c-span.org/watch/cs_cspan_wm.asp?Cat=TVCode=CS In related news, Senator Bernie Sanders (Ind) of Vermont introduced a resolution in the U.S. Senate declaring the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus as real. (Oh, and by the way, Sanders' resolution has about a 1,000 times greater chance of getting passed than Kucinich's does).
[FairfieldLife] Perfect People Who Knew Everything (was Re: Gay Marriage In California)
John, Thanks for taking the time to explain to Sal and I. I learned a lot, although possibly not the things you were trying to explain. What I learned about was the incredible gulf that exists between someone like myself, for whom it has been over 30 years since I've quaffed the TM and Hindu Kool-Aid, and someone like yourself, who seems to still serve it with every meal. It's really not worth pursuing the differences in our opinions about gay marriage, because that gulf is simply too wide to ever be bridged. For me, the authors of the scriptures you like to quote and explain were Just People, just like you and me and everyone else. They were writers of religious fiction; possibly *inspired* fiction, but fiction. And as Oscar Wilde defined it, The good ended happily, and the bad unhappily. That is what Fiction means. You explain marriage to a clay pot or a tree as if it could really actually DO something, on some level other than the placebo effect. You write about the seers of the Srimad Bhagavatam as if they were more than human, Perfect People Who Knew Everything. They lived in a golden age, in which things like gay marriage were never allowed to happen. They *knew* things that we don't, like how to do pretty much everything in such a way as to ensure the continuance of the all-important human race. One cannot argue with such certainty; at least this one cannot. One can only learn from it. And I've learned. Possibly not the things you were hoping to explain to me, but something valuable nonetheless. What I've learned is that you -- and others who are as sold out to the idea of holy scriptures and perfect seers as you are -- live in a world of oh-so-comforting certainty. You *know* the Truth, because Perfect People Who Knew Everything wrote it down for you back back in a Perfect Age. What they wrote was a veritable User's Manual for how to become as perfect as they were. How *can* someone argue with a belief system like that? So I won't. I leave you to it, and hope that it brings you great comfort and happiness. Thank you for explaining. You really *did* explain many things to me, things I had lost sight of because I'm so far away from thinking the way you do. I now understand more about the certain horror with which you and others may view gay marriage, and I understand more about people like Jim. He believes in these perfect fictional versions of reality and the perfect people who saw and recorded them, too. And what he occasionally gets pissed off about here on Fairfield Life is when someone like myself doesn't treat *him* as perfect for having attained their level of perfection himself. We should be treating *him* the way you treat the seers of the scriptures -- as a Perfect Person Who Knows Everything. Anything less is an insult. So be it. It may *be* an insult to treat those who write fiction and pass it off as Truth as the fiction writers they are, but I'm going to keep doing it. As an occasional writer of spir- itual fiction myself, I *hope* that my readers *don't* treat me and my words with the reverence you seem to have for the Perfect People Who Knew Everything. I *don't* know everything, and I am far from perfect. I just write. For me, that is enough. I don't need anyone to believe that what I write is perfect, or that I am. If you are looking for perfection, read Jim's posts instead of mine. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: To All: The vedic scriptures allow marriage to a tree... Gives whole new meaning to the term sporting wood. http://users.lmi.net/sonyarap/arborerecta/arborimages/mantree.jpeg ..., a clay pot, and even allow marriage by abduction, as Krishna did. However, the scriptures do not recognize any marriages between human couples of the same sex. The rationale behind these injunctions is that marriage is for the procreation of children. Yup, you're sure gonna procreate a flock of young'uns by marrying a tree or a clay pot. :-) Barry, it should be explained that marriage to a tree or a clay pot is method devised by the rishis to avoid divorces or failed marriages. By analyzing a person's jyotish chart, the jyotishi or astrologer can determine whether the person will have a successful marriage. If not, the person is advised to marry a tree or a clay pot in order to cleanse away the marriage affliction, technically called Kujadosha (Mars affliction). After this ritual, then the person can safely marry the woman or man who is intended for marriage. There's a story in Shrimad Bhagavatam, also, which states that Indra, the king of the demigods and the senses, have been known to put on a ruse as a guru and rishi to confuse the people in the world. He does this to make sure that human beings do not get far
[FairfieldLife] Re: special message from maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://video.yahoo.com/watch/2396188/7465067 ** I also enjoyed this interview with MMY on the MOU channel: Radio interview with Maharishi from 1978 schedule: http://mou.org/maharishi_channel/schedule/n_america_grid.html 24 hr channel: http://www.globalcountry.org/EasyWeb.asp?pcpid=43
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rising Insanity of the Age of Enlightment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: And whether they go out of their way to actively *create* suffering in others. To wit, the claim recently by one poster that she's highly empathetic, balanced against her often-stated desire to make other posters feel bad. She literally *revels* in the supposed pain and anguish she causes her debate opponents to feel. If she were really empathetic, wouldn't making them feel bad make *her* feel bad as well? Turq, the interesting things you have to say from time to time are diluted by your need to tease Judy. I understand that. It's just that she's SO teasable. She has her samskaras -- she's RIGHT about everything, and anyone who disagrees is REEALY REEALY STOOOPID and she's smart -- and I have mine. One of mine is deriving joy from puncturing the pompous. Mea culpa. I'm not sure it's gonna change. What I say above IS true. She *does* revel in the idea (the fictional and deluded idea) that her posts cause the people she is debating PAIN. She posts quite often about the anguish and distress that her barbs have caused others. She wraps herself in that distress as if it has made her day. She has gone so far in the past (on a.m.t., if not FFL) as to say that that's the primary reason she posts; that is *why* she posts. She *gets off* on causing pain and distress in her debate opponents. So when someone like that claims to be overly empathetic, I'm sorry but for me that's a big, red balloon full of gas that needs to have the nature of its fragility and pretense demonstrated. See the Subject title.
[FairfieldLife] Iowa submarine
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Byron Katie's Awakening
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's [heaven] not a meat and potatoes THEME, is it? Coffee tables that look like steaks, poofy beanbag chairs that look like dollops of mashed potatoes, that sorta thing? I don't remember any of that in Seelisberg. Remember, Turq, the Gita talks of numerous heaven worlds. Sorry if this will burst your bubble, but there's a time to be realistic, and ex-TMers just should not expect to attain the same highest heaven world as the loftiest and most one-pointed ones on this forum. This doesn't mean that I'm going to get stuck in the granola- and gruel-themed heaven, does it? Bummer. --- On Sun, 6/8/08, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Byron Katie's Awakening To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, June 8, 2008, 2:24 PM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 sandiego108@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I think this glorification of the experience of depersonalization is really misguided. There is a lot of information about this state in modern psychology that needs to be integrated into more traditional understandings of these experiences. Just because she enjoyed this transition of awareness doesn't mean it is a good thing. I found this account somewhat alarming. I have had experiences like it but would never seek them as a goal for my awareness again. Yep the ego will always find such an experience alarming. And if the person it is occuring to has this experience poorly integrated, it leads to madness; like dropping acid or something. It is only by unwinding any aort of template of experience, of camparison, of ego story, and living complete skill in action as Byron Katie does, that such a state lives up to its promised fulfillment of desires. Does it fuck up your spelling, though? I've noticed 3 or 4 spelling errors in your last two posts. This isn't one of those poorly integrated things you are talking about, is it? :-) And no it shouldn't be glorified, for enlightenment is a completely normal state of life. Not super normal-- just plain meat and potatoes normal. Uh-huh. That's why you told us you know how heaven is decorated. That's pretty meat and potatoes...not super normal at all. :-) How DO you know how heaven is decorated, Jim? It's not a meat and potatoes THEME, is it? Coffee tables that look like steaks, poofy beanbag chairs that look like dollops of mashed potatoes, that sorta thing? I don't remember any of that in Seelisberg. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Techno Zen Master
Opening both him and myself up to laughter (a good thing) and ridicule (also a good thing sometimes, because ridicule is an instrument that can be used to remind one of the impor- tance of humility), here is a YouTube flash from the past that offers a different take on the concept of enlightenment and the enlightened teacher. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNy1JVQGpus This is a music video produced by controversial teacher Rama - Frederic Lenz for the band he put together, Zazen, as promotion for their album Techno Zen Master. The album probably sold as many copies as Rama had students :-), but it had some interesting moments IMO, pri- marily because the three musicians were, in fact, very talented. Bodhi (Joaquin Lievano) was a veteran of many jazz records and sessions, Xen (Andy West) was the bass player for a band called the Dixie Dregs for many years, and Satori (Steve Kaplan) played keyboards and synths on half the soundtracks you ever heard on TV and in movies. Together they were Zazen, and played an astonishing range of music, from Newagey stuff designed for meditation to techno and hard fusion rock, *also* designed to meditate to. Go figure. Rama himself was a bit of a character. If you think Jim is occasionally a little lost in his narcissism and fascinating in his sincere convic- tion that this narcissism is really enlightenment, you shoulda met Rama. He dressed flash, he lived flash, and he liked to surround himself with flashy women. He *lived* to puncture the tradi- tional views of enlightenment and what it was. He also wound up as fish food, a suicide. Presented only for your enjoyment. The video is actually fairly well produced, with acceptable claymation and video effects. The three babes were dancers hired for the video. When Rama hit on them, they blew him off in ten seconds flat. That may say something about the nature of enlightenment and its seeming conviction that it creates the world around it and that that world owes it something, just for being enlightened.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Techno Zen Master
Before anyone asks/scoffs, 1) this video is not really representative of the Zazen music we meditated to, and 2) I was no longer around when it was produced. I had beat feet from Rama's study long before. It had gotten too weird for me, or perhaps I had gotten too weird for it. I dunno. Meditating to music was an interesting experience, one that I recommend for those who have not tried it. As yifuxero mentioned yesterday about his surprising experience with mindfulness meditation, it is *not* what you might have been told by the TMO and Maharishi. Music holds one on the surface level of thought no more than the TM mantras (just another sound) do. One can transcend as easily and readily to music as to silence, and with one's eyes open as with them closed. We used to meditate to music in group meds, and I found it fun, although I rarely meditate to music any more. We meditated to Tangerine Dream, to Patrick O'Hearn and Vangelis and Kitaro and even, for a break, to the occasional Cindy Lauper or Tina Turner song. And the meds were *smokin'*, man -- pure transcendence from start to finish. Go figure. I mean, go fuckin' figure. I had occasion to go back through most of the Zazen catalog (20+ albums) the other day, because a friend asked me to make her a mix CD of some of the music we used to meditate to, as a kind of soundtrack to listen to while rereading my book Road Trip Mind. It was an interesting exper- ience for me. Much of the music sounded dated and commercial to me, and in terms of getting me off, didn't so much as cause a bulge in my chakras. But some of it still had a lot of phwam!, and was enjoyable not only as meditation music, but as music, period. There was only one of the albums I still enjoyed listening to all the way through, Samurai. Here's a link to a download page, if you're interested: http://www.mp3-2008.com/921 Again, this is just presented as entertainment. Rama himself is dead as a doornail, and most of the people here wouldn't be interested in him if he were still alive and kickin'. Me, I have mixed feelings about him, as I do about Maharishi. I learned a lot from both teachers, and value that. I wouldn't trade the experiences I had with either of them for anything. But at the same time, if both were still living and teaching, I wouldn't have anything to do with them again in a million incarnations. They were what they were, and I was what I was at the time. But that was then, and this is now. Or, as Rama used to say, That was Zen, and this is Tao. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Opening both him and myself up to laughter (a good thing) and ridicule (also a good thing sometimes, because ridicule is an instrument that can be used to remind one of the impor- tance of humility), here is a YouTube flash from the past that offers a different take on the concept of enlightenment and the enlightened teacher. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNy1JVQGpus This is a music video produced by controversial teacher Rama - Frederic Lenz for the band he put together, Zazen, as promotion for their album Techno Zen Master. The album probably sold as many copies as Rama had students :-), but it had some interesting moments IMO, pri- marily because the three musicians were, in fact, very talented. Bodhi (Joaquin Lievano) was a veteran of many jazz records and sessions, Xen (Andy West) was the bass player for a band called the Dixie Dregs for many years, and Satori (Steve Kaplan) played keyboards and synths on half the soundtracks you ever heard on TV and in movies. Together they were Zazen, and played an astonishing range of music, from Newagey stuff designed for meditation to techno and hard fusion rock, *also* designed to meditate to. Go figure. Rama himself was a bit of a character. If you think Jim is occasionally a little lost in his narcissism and fascinating in his sincere convic- tion that this narcissism is really enlightenment, you shoulda met Rama. He dressed flash, he lived flash, and he liked to surround himself with flashy women. He *lived* to puncture the tradi- tional views of enlightenment and what it was. He also wound up as fish food, a suicide. Presented only for your enjoyment. The video is actually fairly well produced, with acceptable claymation and video effects. The three babes were dancers hired for the video. When Rama hit on them, they blew him off in ten seconds flat. That may say something about the nature of enlightenment and its seeming conviction that it creates the world around it and that that world owes it something, just for being enlightened.
[FairfieldLife] Popular in India!?
Sara Freder appears to be rather popular e.g. in India: http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details/sara-freder.com
[FairfieldLife] War As Gene Pool Maintenance
I love having dogs. At least twice a day, sometimes more often, I get to take them out for walks along the beach. Then, afterwards, I get to sit in a cafe (such as the one I'm sitting in now) with them at my feet (as they are now) and practice a little mindfulness writing about the things I thought about while walking them. Often these thoughts are wild and scattered, and only an equally wild and scattered person could find a way to link them and tie them together into a whole that seems to mean something (even though I'm pretty convinced that it doesn't). This will be such an attempt. The unrelated freight cars I am trying to link together as one train of thought started with watching some Spanish teenagers on the beach. There were three guys (maybe 14-15), and four gals, similarly aged. As I passed, the guys decided to play Impress The Girls. Their idea of how to do this was to move away from them and start kung-fu fighting and wrestling with each other. This had pretty much the result you might imagine -- the girls started talking amongst them- selves (probably about more important things like whether these guys deserved to see their tits when it came time to doff their outer garments and don swimwear), and ignored the guys completely. Finally four geeky and non-muscled guys came up and started talking to the girls. The macho kung-fu fighters on the beach never noticed. The gals finally left the original guys behind and found a place on the sand with the four geeky guys, and showed *them* their tits. So it goes. That's often the story of sexual attraction in a nutshell. Walking on with the dogs, I wondered whether one or two of the gals was going to settle down with the geeky guys and raise rugrats. And that got me thinking about the film Idiocracy. It's a fun film, with an interesting and scientifically- based premise. Historically, human beings who are meas- urably less intelligent tend to have more kids than human beings who are more intelligent. The kids of the less intelligent human beings inherit their parents' genes, and their kids in turn have more kids than the more intelligent people around them. The movie posits a world in which this has been allowed to happen. Two characters with a completely *median* IQ are put in a time capsule and awaken in a future world in which they are now the two smartest people on the planet. Much laughter ensues. Anyway, I thought about this, and then about the display of well-intentioned but ineffective macho I had just witnessed, and that led me to the subject of war. And what I started wondering was whether war was an intuitive way for human beings to *counteract* this Idiocracy trend, and weed out the less intelligent swimmers in the gene pool before they procreated. Sounds harsh, and probably is, but bear with me. I grew up on Air Force bases; my father was an Air Force officer. I hung out as a teenager with airmen (the counterpart of privates in the Army) who were very open about their reasons for being in the Air Force. As one of them put it one day, After I dropped out of high school, it was easier than finding a job. There were no tests to take, and they *couldn't* turn me down. Sure, there were some intelligent people on the base, my father being one of them (otherwise, I probably wouldn't be writing this, or would be spelling 'otherwise' as 'uthrwiz' :-)), but on the whole, the folks around me, both enlisted men and officers, were pretty damned median. And this was during the Cold War. Now think Vietnam. The median age of U.S. soldiers in that war was 19; given the way the Draft worked (if you went to college you lived; if you didn't, you were cannon fodder), they may have not had an average IQ much over median. Now think the Gulf Wars and the Modern American Wars of the Modern American Dream. Where do the recruiters go for cannon fodder? They go to high schools and they go to poor neighborhoods where many of the kids they talk to don't have a job and don't have any prospects for *ever* having one. At this point, some of you are probably thinking, Now *wait* a minute! What about the 'noble warrior,' the image of the samurai or dharmic warrior we read about in the Bhagavad Gita? I fully *admit* that such warriors have existed in the past, and I offer them my respect. Given some of the past-life flashbacks I've had (or what passed for them), I'm pretty sure that not only was I was one of them, but that I didn't learn my lesson the first time. But when you see them interviewed on TV, a lot of these guys who seem to think of themselves as patriots and as doing what they do for a living (kill people) because they are firmly convinced that it keeps Islamic terrorists from murdering their family and loved ones back home. On the surface this can be seen as noble. But knowing what we now know about the lies spoonfed to the American public about the need for this war, what, after all does that say about the intelligence
[FairfieldLife] Interpersonal Neurobiology (IPNB)
Mindfulness goes non-sectarian and humanist. http://www.drdansiegel.com/page/clinicians/ Interpersonal Neurobiology (IPNB) is a way of understanding human development and well-being. This approach focuses on the importance of relationships in shaping the brain so that the mind develops resilience. IPNB is not a form of therapy, but it does inform the way therapists of all persuasions can understand the important processes of healing and transformation. As described in the Spotlight on Science, the central view of this approach is that a triangle of human experience can be described with three irreducible points: relationships, mind, and brain. What these three elements share in common is energy and information flow. Relationships are how energy and information are shared between and among people. The mind is how the flow of energy and information is regulated, creating patterns in how our minds function over time. The brain here is defined as the extended nervous system distributed throughout the whole body that contains a physiological mechanism by which energy and information flow. In IPNB, we offer a working definition of the mind that, in its succinct form, can be stated as follows: The mind regulates the flow of energy and information and creates patterns of this flow across time. IPNB also offers a working definition of a healthy mind. The vast majority of mental health practitioners have not had a single lecture defining the mind or mental health. We have had, naturally, many lectures and seminars defining mental illness and effective forms of therapy that help to alleviate symptoms and suffering. Through an extensive synthesis—called “consilience”— of many different scientific approaches, IPNB suggests that a process called “integration” is at the heart of mental well-being. Integration itself is simply defined as the linkage of differentiated parts of a system. When a system is integrated, it is said to “move toward maximal complexity.” This is not the same as life becoming more complicated! There is a simple elegance to complex systems, which reveals that when they are integrated they have a flow described by the acronym FACES: flexible, adaptive, coherent, energized, and stable. And so in the various educational opportunities that follow, you will be able to immerse yourself in detailed explorations of the human mind, healthy relationships, and how psychotherapy can promote positive changes in brain growth that facilitate integration. Though IPNB is not a specific way of doing therapy, it does offer a framework that highlights the importance of integration and the ways in which we can promote well-being in our lives. At the heart of this approach are various domains of integration that cultivate the development of well-being. These domains are explored in many of the available educational programs and can be applied in a wide array of clinical settings. One can postulate that for any form of psychotherapy to be effective there must be long lasting changes in the synaptic connections in the brain. For this reason, an IPNB approach to therapy harnesses the knowledge of the study of neural plasticity so that therapists can effectively understand the process of brain growth and how the experiences they provide within the therapeutic relationship can promote the growth of integrative fibers in the patient’s/client’s brain. We call this “SNAGing” the brain: stimulating neuronal activation and growth. Our mindful presence as therapists can combine with a specific focus of attention in ways that each SNAG the brain toward integration enabling resolution of trauma, healing, and the cultivation of well-being and resilience. Our experience has been that beginning, intermediate, and advanced clinicians have found the material listed below to be very useful. IPNB offers what some have described as a new paradigm for thinking about psychotherapy as well as a novel and powerful approach to applying science in catalyzing therapeutic change. We think IPNB is a fun and useful way of understanding what it means to be human and also offers exciting new and effective windows of opportunity to help others grow. These recordings offer an educational series for clinicians and others interested in personal growth and development. The lengthier seminars offer more in-depth explorations of how the principles of mindsight and Interpersonal Neurobiology shape an approach to promoting mental well-being and integration in our internal and interpersonal lives. In addition to these programs, the “teleconferences” section of the Psychotherapy Networker (PsychotherapyNetoworker.org) offer recordings of past sequential hour-long classes on this subject. Suggested educational program: Audio Brain of the Mindful Therapist IPNB and Psychotherapy IPNB Approach to
[FairfieldLife] Re: Byron Katie's Awakening
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not a meat and potatoes THEME, is it? Coffee tables that look like steaks, poofy beanbag chairs that look like dollops of mashed potatoes, that sorta thing? I don't remember any of that in Seelisberg. Remember, Turq, the Gita talks of numerous heaven worlds. Sorry if this will burst your bubble, but there's a time to be realistic, and ex-TMers just should not expect to attain the same highest heaven world as the loftiest and most one-pointed ones on this forum. No wonder your name is gullible, if you have the idea that heaven is difficult to attain. I guess that's where the fool part comes in; you don't even know where to look. TM has nothing to do with it. You do seem to be (overly) familiar with hell though-- why?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Techno Zen Master
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As yifuxero mentioned yesterday about his surprising experience with mindfulness meditation, it is *not* what you might have been told by the TMO and Maharishi. Music holds one on the surface level of thought no more than the TM mantras (just another sound) do. One can transcend as easily and readily to music as to silence, and with one's eyes open as with them closed. Listening to music and imagining it to be meditation is like masturbating and imagining it to be sex.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Techno Zen Master
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: As yifuxero mentioned yesterday about his surprising experience with mindfulness meditation, it is *not* what you might have been told by the TMO and Maharishi. Music holds one on the surface level of thought no more than the TM mantras (just another sound) do. One can transcend as easily and readily to music as to silence, and with one's eyes open as with them closed. Listening to music and imagining it to be meditation is like masturbating and imagining it to be sex. For once, I bow to your superior experience. Can't say that I've ever whacked off and imagined it to be sex. Is that how you got enlightened? Even more interesting, is that how you found out how heaven is decorated? :-)
[FairfieldLife] Homosexuality and Hinduism (was: Gay Marriage In California)
Homosexuality and Hinduism By Ruth Vanita http://www.galva108.org/hinduism.html Hinduism is the world's oldest continuously practiced religion and Hindus constitute a sixth of the world's population today. Most Hindus live in India but there are about 1.5 million Hindus, both Indians and non-Indians, in the U.S.A. Modern Hindus regard all beings, including humans, animals, Gods and Goddesses, as manifestations of one universal Atman (Spirit). There is a Hindu deity and story related to almost every activity, inclination, and way of life. Every God and Goddess is seen as encompassing male, female, neuter, and all other possibilities. Hinduism and sexuality. Hindu texts have discussed variations in gender and sexuality for over two millennia. Like the erotic sculptures on ancient Hindu temples at Khajuraho and Konarak, sacred texts in Sanskrit constitute irrefutable evidence that the whole range of sexual behavior was known to ancient Hindus. As Saleem Kidwai and Ruth Vanita demonstrated in Same-Sex Love in India: Readings from Literature and History, traditions of representing same-sex desire in literature and art continued in medieval Hinduism as well as Indian Islam. When Europeans arrived in India, they were shocked by Hinduism, which they termed idolatrous, and by the range of sexual practices, including same-sex relations, which they labeled licentious. British colonial rulers wrote modern homophobia into education, law and politics. A marginal homophobic trend in pre-colonial India thus became dominant in modern India. Indian nationalists, including Hindus, internalized Victorian ideals of heterosexual monogamy and disowned indigenous traditions that contravened those ideals. Nevertheless, those traditions persisted, for example, in the very visible communities of hijras, transgendered males who have a semi-sacred status and often engage in sexual relations with men. Hinduism sees all desire, including sexual desire, as problematic because it causes beings to be trapped in a cycle of death and rebirth. Procreative sex, circumscribed by many rules, is enjoined on householders, but non-procreative sex is disfavored. Most Hindu texts assume that everyone has a duty to marry and procreate. However, Hindu devotional practice, philosophy and literature emphasize the eroticism of the Gods, and Kama (desire) as one of the four aims of life. In the earliest texts Kama is a universal principle of attraction. In the first millennium C.E., he becomes the God of love, a beautiful youth, who shoots irresistible arrows at people, uniting them with those they are destined to love, regardless of social inappropriateness. Homosexuality and Hindu law. Ancient Hindu law books, from the first century onwards, categorize ayoni (non-vaginal sex) as impure. But penances prescribed for same-sex acts are very light compared to penances for some types of heterosexual misconduct, such as adultery and rape. The Manusmriti exhorts a man who has sex with a man or a woman in a cart pulled by a cow, or in water or by day to bathe with his clothes on (11.174). The Arthashastra imposes a minor fine on a man who has ayoni sex (4.13.236). Modern commentators misread the Manusmriti's severe punishment of a woman's manual penetration of a virgin (8.369-70) as anti-lesbian bias. In fact, the punishment is exactly the same for either a man (8.367) or a woman who does this act, and is related not to the partners' genders but to the virgin's loss of virginity and marriageable status. The Manusmriti does not mention a woman penetrating a non-virgin woman, and the Arthashastra prescribes a negligible fine for this act. The sacred epics and the Puranas (fourth to fourteenth-century compendia of devotional stories) contradict the law books; they depict Gods, sages, and heroes springing from ayoni sex. Unlike sodomy, ayoni sex never became a major topic of debate or an unspeakable crime. There is no evidence of anyone in India ever having been executed for same-sex relations. Diversity in sex and gender. Hindu scriptures contain many surprising examples of diversity in both sex and gender. Medieval texts narrate how the God Ayyappa was born of intercourse between the God Shiva and Vishnu when the latter temporarily took a female form. A number of fourteenth-century texts in Sanskrit and Bengali (including the Krittivasa Ramayana, a devotional text still extremely popular today) narrate how hero-king Bhagiratha, who brought the sacred river Ganga from heaven to earth, was miraculously born to and raised by two co-widows, who made love together with divine blessing. These texts explain his name Bhagiratha from the word bhaga (vulva) because he was born of two vulvas. Another sacred text, the fourth-century Kama Sutra, emphasizes pleasure as the aim of intercourse. It categorizes men who desire other men as a third nature, further subdivides them into masculine and feminine types, and describes their lives and occupations (such as flower
[FairfieldLife] Re: Byron Katie's Awakening
yifuxero wrote: ---the flaw in your reasoning is the separation of entities that you call sentient from others. The flaw is the mistaken belief that we have an individual soul-monad, which accounts for people thinking that they are separate from each other and from the Absolute - the belief that they are individual subjects that possess individual souls that reincarnate as personalities. Sentience is the ability to feel or perceive subjectively. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentience This is an artificial separation. Maybe so. Again, the universe as a whole is the one. In Vedanta, the universe is an illusion, part and parcel of Maya. The real is transcendental, that is, beyond the relative world of matter. The 'One' is the 'Transcendental Person' that stands beyond the perceptions of the senses. There's no sound unless there's a sentient being to percieve it. yifuxero wrote: This is not in agreement with the latest theories in physics. Maybe so, but the subject of this thread is Byron Katies 'Awakening' - that's a metaphysical discussion, not a physics theory. The universe itself is the sentient being. You are assuming that there is a universe 'out there' - but you could be dreaming. In dreams we see universes out there; in dreams we can run and jump and consult our friends. There is nothing in the waking state that could not be experienced in a dream. And it all depends on what you mean by 'sentient being'. Sentience means anyone who can think and perceive. If there is no one around when a tree falls, then there is no one to think or perceive. We are perfectly justified in maintaining that only what is within ourselves can be immediately and directly perceived, and that only my own existence can be the object of a mere perception... Immanuel Kant, 'Critique of Pure Reason' A367 f.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kucinich Presents Articles of Impeachment Against Bush
Bhairitu wrote: Kucinich Presents Articles of Impeachment Against Bush So, exactly, on what grounds would the U.S. Congress be impeaching the president? Apparently all the statements made by Bush were generally substantiated by intelligence community estimates, as outlined in 'Senate Intelligence Committee Report on Prewar Iraq'. See below. The intelligence agencies in the U.S., Israel, Germany, and Great Britain seemed to be in agreement. The U.S. Congress, by a majority vote, authorized the president to use force to make Saddam comply with U.N. sanctions. The invasion of Iraq was under a U.N. mandate and NATO is now managing the Afghanistan military forces. So, how are you going to impeach? The U.S. President doesn't need permission from anyone to use force in order to defend the United States, least of all Dennis Kucinich! But dive into Rockefeller's report, in search of where exactly President Bush lied about what his intelligence agencies were telling him about the threat posed by Saddam Hussein, and you may be surprised by what you find. On Iraq's nuclear weapons program? The president's statements 'were generally substantiated by intelligence community estimates.' On biological weapons, production capability and those infamous mobile laboratories? The president's statements 'were substantiated by intelligence information.' On chemical weapons, then? 'Substantiated by intelligence information.' On weapons of mass destruction overall (a separate section of the intelligence committee report)? 'Generally substantiated by intelligence information.' Delivery vehicles such as ballistic missiles? 'Generally substantiated by available intelligence.' Unmanned aerial vehicles that could be used to deliver WMDs? 'Generally substantiated by intelligence information.' As you read through the report, you begin to think maybe you've mistakenly picked up the minority dissent. But, no, this is the Rockefeller indictment. So, you think, the smoking gun must appear in the section on Bush's claims about Saddam Hussein's alleged ties to terrorism. But statements regarding Iraq's support for terrorist groups other than al-Qaeda 'were substantiated by intelligence information.' Read more: 'Bush Lied'? If Only It Were That Simple.' By Fred Hiatt Washington Post, Monday, June 9, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/6oz5xv The US knew that Al-Qaeda and Al-Zarqawi had a 'good relationship' with Saddam Hussein officials before the war. Read more: ' Bush Did Not Lie!' Gateway Pundit, Monday, June 09, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/3tlk47 Senate Intelligence Committee Report on Prewar Iraq Intelligence: http://tinyurl.com/5waadu
[FairfieldLife] Re: Byron Katie's Awakening
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's no sound unless there's a sentient being to percieve it. yifuxero wrote: This is not in agreement with the latest theories in physics. Maybe so, but the subject of this thread is Byron Katies 'Awakening' - that's a metaphysical discussion, not a physics theory. Poor dodge RJ, anything idea that helps an argument is valid here. Of course if a tree falls over it makes a noise. The point is whether different animals will hear a different noise, because the sound, along with all perception is constructed in our minds. Different brains/different perceptions. To see or hear something without a physical reference is a hallucination. Peer into a brain scanner and see the process of perception at work, it's an amazing thing. You can also create hallucinations by stimulating different areas. Kant wouldn't have known about that. Science is going through a materialist phase for a very good reason. It's moved on since Kant and those other dead guys. I always felt kind of sorry for people who can't tell whether they are dreaming or not. The universe itself is the sentient being. You are assumng that there is a universe 'out there' - but you could be dreaming. In dreams we see universes out there; in dreams we can run and jump and consult our friends. Are you on your solipsist trip again RJ? This is a lame argument, in my dreams I can travel through time, wrestle dinosaurs, jump to the moon, hell I can do anything. Yet I notice a certain tedious consistency in the everyday world, my bike has yet to turn into a spaceship, my dog is still only a foot tall etc. There is nothing in the waking state that could not be experienced in a dream. Unfortunately the reverse isn't true.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Byron Katie's Awakening
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 sandiego108@ wrote: My perception is such that there are no beliefs existing independently in my mind purely for the sake of believing them, of holding onto them in order to create a world that makes sense to me. This to me is bondage, and a static view of the world that I have not the strength nor will nor interest to maintain. It is infinitely more enjoyable to watch the world come into being every time I experience it, and dissolve every time that I do not experience it. And far more accurate in my experience. So, for example, if I go outside and it is cold, my body gets cold and I come inside and say, its cold outside. Then my body warms up because it is warmer inside and then I don't know any longer whether it is cold outside. Why must I hold onto the belief that it is cold outside, when in fact I don't really know one way of the other? I am sorry, but I cannot believe that if in 10 minutes after coming in from a cold day you go out again that you do not expect it would still be cold and I believe that you would be surprised if it is hot. Or if lava was flowing in your back yard. Of course, we don't think about it being cold outside until it is time to go out again. But we know it is cold outside. If a tree falls in the forest and I come upon the fallen tree, did it make a sound when it fell? Maybe it did, and maybe it didn't. To lug around the belief that it definitely did is too much weight, too much clutter. If someone were to then explain that yes, of course it did, I might agree with them, because I have studied the propagation of soundwaves and it is in my best interests that moment to keep things simple and agree with them. But there is no static belief that this is so. It is a situational or contextual belief, based on what I am achieving in the moment. After they leave and I am left alone with the fallen tree, that is all there is. A fallen tree that is laying there in the forest. As I look at the fallen tree, what is underneath it? Perhaps the ground, but seeing as the tree is very heavy and I cannot lift it, perhaps it rests on nothing at all. Again, I don't know, nor do I entertain the safe assumption that I do know what lies beneath it, that the ground extends beneath it. Again, too much trouble to hold such an assumption, unless I choose to. It just sounds like you chose or not chose to go into a dissociative state, dissociation meaning simply not seeing the connections that people ordinarily see between things or events. When you analyze most of the stuff sandiego108 [Jim] claims, you begin to discover the obvious flaws, like you have here, Ruth.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Byron Katie's Awakening
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When you analyze most of the stuff sandiego108 [Jim] claims, you begin to discover the obvious flaws, like you have here, Ruth. Well, assuming Sandiego is not lying and I have no reason to think that he is, his perceptions are his reality. What is interesting is that he does not appear in the least bit dysfunctional or unhappy. I find it very interesting to hear about people wo can dissociate in a way that is not dysfunctional. Now I can willfully depersonalize myself or but I do not find it a state that is helpful to me and I find it unpleasant. The types of states that I find blissful are different this. When concentrating and figuring out a major problem I can get into the zone and perform at my best. No dissociation or witnessing. There is bliss in that. But it might just be endorphins. :) I can also get into a different kind of zone, one when under stress but where performance is required and you must perform at your best. I think it was Rick who mentioned this state once when he described helping someone in and accident. I think of this type of witnessing more as an artifact of the stress of the moment and a way to keep you intact as you do what needs to be done. I would not call that bliss. Another type of being in the zone that I can think of right now is not one where intellectual action is required, but one of being part of the universe. This zone I reach through communing with nature or music or poetry. The bliss of being a speck in the grand whole. And no dissociation or depersonalization is involved.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Kucinich Presents Articles of Impeachment Against Bush
Richard J. Williams wrote: Bhairitu wrote: Kucinich Presents Articles of Impeachment Against Bush So, exactly, on what grounds would the U.S. Congress be impeaching the president? The 35 articles that Kucinich presented. They are quite compelling but nothing that most of us didn't already know (unless you live under a bridge).
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Kucinich Presents Articles of Impeachment Against Bush
shempmcgurk wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Finally!!! On CSPAN now. Stream here: http://c-span.org/watch/cs_cspan_wm.asp?Cat=TVCode=CS http://c-span.org/watch/cs_cspan_wm.asp?Cat=TVCode=CS In related news, Senator Bernie Sanders (Ind) of Vermont introduced a resolution in the U.S. Senate declaring the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus as real. (Oh, and by the way, Sanders' resolution has about a 1,000 times greater chance of getting passed than Kucinich's does). Thats because Congress consists of fools, cowards and traitors. Most of them are obsolete as they pass bills on things they know nothing about.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Byron Katie's Awakening
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: When you analyze most of the stuff sandiego108 [Jim] claims, you begin to discover the obvious flaws, like you have here, Ruth. Well, assuming Sandiego is not lying and I have no reason to think that he is, his perceptions are his reality. What is interesting is that he does not appear in the least bit dysfunctional or unhappy. I find it very interesting to hear about people wo can dissociate in a way that is not dysfunctional. Now I can willfully depersonalize myself or but I do not find it a state that is helpful to me and I find it unpleasant. The types of states that I find blissful are different this. When concentrating and figuring out a major problem I can get into the zone and perform at my best. No dissociation or witnessing. There is bliss in that. But it might just be endorphins. :) I can also get into a different kind of zone, one when under stress but where performance is required and you must perform at your best. I think it was Rick who mentioned this state once when he described helping someone in and accident. I think of this type of witnessing more as an artifact of the stress of the moment and a way to keep you intact as you do what needs to be done. I would not call that bliss. Another type of being in the zone that I can think of right now is not one where intellectual action is required, but one of being part of the universe. This zone I reach through communing with nature or music or poetry. The bliss of being a speck in the grand whole. And no dissociation or depersonalization is involved. What you've done above is to effectively articulate your own subjective experience in a clear manner that lends credibility to what you said. In my view, 'sandeigo' Jim doesn't do that. The central substance of what he asserts often fails even simple logic.
[FairfieldLife] Sidhi course in Denmark!
TM-Sidhi course - sommer 2008: First part over 3 weekends at Maharishi Fredspalads, Gammel Vartov Vej 16, 2900 Hellerup 28+29 june, 5+6 july, 12+13 july, Second part at Maharishi Vediske Kursuscenter, Mausingvej 16, 8620 Kjellerup 8. - 23 august. Price: Dkr. 22.500 Married couples: Dkr. 34.000 Studerents: Dkr. 15.000 AND payment for room and board. This is the last time that you can take the TM-Sidhi course without first receiving all the 4 advanced techniques. Please apply quickly Jai Guru Dev Raja Bjarne
[FairfieldLife] Re: Byron Katie's Awakening
yifuxero wrote: This is not in agreement with the latest theories in physics. Maybe so, but the subject of this thread is Byron Katies 'Awakening' - that's a metaphysical discussion, not a physics theory. Hugo wrote: Poor dodge RJ, anything idea that helps an argument is valid here. Maybe so, but there is nothing in the science of physics that can prove that Byron Katie had an 'awakening' - the tern 'awakening' hasn't even been defined. Awakening in this context is a metaphysical term and so it must be argued in terms of metaphysics - there's no such property as 'awakening' in the physical sciences to even relate to. Of course if a tree falls over it makes a noise. It's not a 'noise' if there is nothing to perceive it, that's the point. There must be knowing subject because all experience is subjective. No objects exist apart from the subject doing the experiencing. The point is whether different animals will hear a different noise, because the sound, along with all perception is constructed in our minds. Maybe so, but it has not been established that there is a 'mind' to do the perceiving - that's the point. What is 'mind'? A bundle of perceptions, an individual soul-monad, the body, what? 'Mind' isn't part of the physical sciences either. But there is a 'constructed character of knowing'. This means that due to previous perceptions we simply remember things and events - we do not perceive things and events as they really are - things and events are changed by the perception of them. Different brains/different perceptions. To see or hear something without a physical reference is a hallucination. Maybe so, but a hallucination is real in the sense that it is presented to us. On the other hand, an unreal object would not exist at all. That's why the Adwaita thinkers always say that objects of perception are not real, yet they are not 'unreal' either. Peer into a brain scanner and see the process of perception at work, it's an amazing thing. You can also create hallucinations by stimulating different areas. Maybe so, but there's no proof that the brain is percieving a real object. There are no double-blind scientific studies that prove the existence of a corresponding physiological state called 'awakening'. 'Awakening', 'enlightenment' - these are all metaphysical terms and not subject to physical sciences. Kant wouldn't have known about that. Science is going through a materialist phase for a very good reason. It's moved on since Kant and those other dead guys. I always felt kind of sorry for people who can't tell whether they are dreaming or not. There's no way for sure that you can tell if you are dreaming or not. There's nothing in the waking state that could not be in a dream state. The universe itself is the sentient being. You are assumng that there is a universe 'out there' - but you could be dreaming. In dreams we see universes out there; in dreams we can run and jump and consult our friends. Are you on your solipsist trip again RJ? Well, yes. The philosophical idea that 'My mind is the only thing that I know exists.' Solipsism is an epistemological or metaphysical position that knowledge of anything outside the mind is unjustified. The external world and other minds cannot be known and might not exist. Source: Solipsism: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solipsism This is a lame argument, in my dreams I can travel through time, wrestle dinosaurs, jump to the moon, hell I can do anything. That proves my point: in dreams you can do anything that you can do in the waking state. Yet I notice a certain tedious consistency in the everyday world, my bike has yet to turn into a spaceship, my dog is still only a foot tall etc. Your perception of all these objects is depending on your previous experiences. You do not actually perceive your bike or your dog exactly 'as it is' - there's always a something in-between your perception and the objects you perceive. That something is consciousness - without that, there's no perceiver at all. There is nothing in the waking state that could not be experienced in a dream. Unfortunately the reverse isn't true. Maybe so, but can you prove that you are not dreaming? I think not. There's no way to prove that objects exist apart from the experiencer. The entire universe could be an illusion, just like the Adwaita thinkers theorized. According to Adwaita, there is 'consciousness' only - everything else is not real, yet not unreal - an illusion, just like the horns of a hare. The only absolute real is pure consciousness, according to the Adwaita metaphysics.
[FairfieldLife] Perfect People Who Knew Everything (was Re: Gay Marriage In California)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John, Thanks for taking the time to explain to Sal and I. I learned a lot, although possibly not the things you were trying to explain. What I learned about was the incredible gulf that exists between someone like myself, for whom it has been over 30 years since I've quaffed the TM and Hindu Kool-Aid, and someone like yourself, who seems to still serve it with every meal. It's really not worth pursuing the differences in our opinions about gay marriage, because that gulf is simply too wide to ever be bridged. Why do I feel I'm being set up with this seemingly humble concession? I have a feeling there's a big hammer coming down on my head soon enough. I played enough chess games to realize in the end that the opponent was cunning and had woven an intricate spider's web for a trap. For your information, I'm not a Hindu, nor a TM teacher. I'm only stating passages that I've read and appears to be sensible. For the most part, I'm just an observer. For me, the authors of the scriptures you like to quote and explain were Just People, just like you and me and everyone else. They were writers of religious fiction; possibly *inspired* fiction, but fiction. And as Oscar Wilde defined it, The good ended happily, and the bad unhappily. That is what Fiction means. For Hindus, the vedas were not written by any human beings. They came from the Absolute. IMO, they were written by human beings but were inspired by their understanding of the Absolute. This would apply to the prophets in the Old Testament and the evangelists of the New Testament. You explain marriage to a clay pot or a tree as if it could really actually DO something, on some level other than the placebo effect. You write about the seers of the Srimad Bhagavatam as if they were more than human, Perfect People Who Knew Everything. They lived in a golden age, in which things like gay marriage were never allowed to happen. They *knew* things that we don't, like how to do pretty much everything in such a way as to ensure the continuance of the all-important human race. Whether you like or not, the book was written the way it is. It is up to the people who are still living now, and who are reading it to determine the wisdom of the messages. For those who ignore it, the world continues the way it is and the way they are. IMO, they will be still subjected to the gunas, the ever present and continual change in the relative world. Would they find happiness? From my own life experience, I doubt it. One cannot argue with such certainty; at least this one cannot. One can only learn from it. I agree with this. And I've learned. Possibly not the things you were hoping to explain to me, but something valuable nonetheless. What I've learned is that you -- and others who are as sold out to the idea of holy scriptures and perfect seers as you are -- live in a world of oh-so-comforting certainty. You *know* the Truth, because Perfect People Who Knew Everything wrote it down for you back back in a Perfect Age. What they wrote was a veritable User's Manual for how to become as perfect as they were. How *can* someone argue with a belief system like that? I don't claim to be a seer or perfect. Like all of us, I'm trying to learn what living is all about. IMO, the wisdom writers from the past are trying to convey a message to us who are still going through this life time. It would be wise to listen to what they have to say. So I won't. I leave you to it, and hope that it brings you great comfort and happiness. Thank you for explaining. You really *did* explain many things to me, things I had lost sight of because I'm so far away from thinking the way you do. I now understand more about the certain horror with which you and others may view gay marriage, and I understand more about people like Jim. He believes in these perfect fictional versions of reality and the perfect people who saw and recorded them, too. And what he occasionally gets pissed off about here on Fairfield Life is when someone like myself doesn't treat *him* as perfect for having attained their level of perfection himself. We should be treating *him* the way you treat the seers of the scriptures -- as a Perfect Person Who Knows Everything. Anything less is an insult. Here comes the hammer. To repeat once more, I am not the person who you set me up to be. So be it. It may *be* an insult to treat those who write fiction and pass it off as Truth as the fiction writers they are, but I'm going to keep doing it. As an occasional writer of spir- itual fiction myself, I *hope* that my readers *don't* treat me and my words with the reverence you seem to have for the Perfect People Who Knew Everything. I *don't* know everything, and I am far from perfect. I just write. For me, that is enough. I don't
[FairfieldLife] Re: Byron Katie's Awakening
Ruth wrote: This zone I reach through communing with nature or music or poetry. The bliss of being a speck in the grand whole. And no dissociation or depersonalization is involved. What you have just described, Ruth, is meditation, so you have proved what I have been saying for some time. When Curtis feels good after practicing playing his guitar, that is a meditation. Meditation relieves stress and strain. When Marshy called it 'unstressing' he simply meant that meditation could relieve stress and strain, what Selye called 'eu-stress', stress that is beneficial. But if stress happens too often or lasts too long, it can have bad effects. It can be linked to headaches, an upset stomach, back pain, or trouble sleeping. It can weaken your immune system, making it harder to fight off disease. If you already have a health problem, stress may make it worse. It can make you moody, tense, or depressed. Your relationships may suffer, and you may not do well at work or school. How can you relieve stress? Try meditation, imagery exercises, or try self-hypnosis. Source: Healthwise: http://tinyurl.com/5xoeho
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kucinich Presents Articles of Impeachment Against Bush
Kucinich Presents Articles of Impeachment Against Bush Richard J. Williams wrote: So, exactly, on what grounds would the U.S. Congress be impeaching the president? Bhairitu wrote: The 35 articles that Kucinich presented. But according to the 'Senate Intelligence Committee Report on Prewar Iraq Intelligence' everything Bush said prior to the Iraq invasion was 'substantiated by intelligence information', so where is the lie that Bush told? Where is the proof? What are the grounds for impeachment if the U.S. Congress gave the president authorization to use force to make Saddam comply with U.N. sanctions? You are aware that the Iraq sanctions were mandated by the U.N., right? So, who is going to impeach the U.N.? And why wouldn't you want to impeach John Kerry and Hillary Clinton and John Edwards, who all voted for the AUMF? Apparently they all had the very same intelligence information that Bush did. They all said that Saddam must comply with the sanctions. You have read the 'Senate Intelligence Committee Report on Prewar Iraq Intelligence', right? Read more: Senate Intelligence Committee Report on Prewar Iraq Intelligence: http://tinyurl.com/5waadu Read more: 'Bush Lied'? If Only It Were That Simple.' By Fred Hiatt Washington Post. Monday, June 9, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/6oz5xv The US knew that Al-Qaeda and Al-Zarqawi had a 'good relationship' with Saddam Hussein officials before the war. Read more: 'Bush Did Not Lie!' Gateway Pundit, Monday, June 09, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/3tlk47
Re: [FairfieldLife] Sidhi course in Denmark!
On Jun 10, 2008, at 1:06 PM, cardemaister wrote: TM-Sidhi course - sommer 2008: First part over 3 weekends at Maharishi Fredspalads, Gammel Vartov Vej 16, 2900 Hellerup 28+29 june, 5+6 july, 12+13 july, Second part at Maharishi Vediske Kursuscenter, Mausingvej 16, 8620 Kjellerup 8. - 23 august. Price: Dkr. 22.500 Married couples: Dkr. 34.000 Studerents: Dkr. 15.000 AND payment for room and board. 22,500.00 DKK = 4,663.88 USD What a ripoff. This is the last time that you can take the TM-Sidhi course without first receiving all the 4 advanced techniques. In other words 4 x 3000 = 12,000 approx + 4,663.88 = 16,663.88 USD for siddhis after this. What an even bigger ripoff. Please apply quickly Hold your breath on that one. Jai Guru Dev Raja Bjarne
[FairfieldLife] Perfect People Who Knew Everything (was Re: Gay Marriage In California)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: John, Thanks for taking the time to explain to Sal and I. I learned a lot, although possibly not the things you were trying to explain. What I learned about was the incredible gulf that exists between someone like myself, for whom it has been over 30 years since I've quaffed the TM and Hindu Kool-Aid, and someone like yourself, who seems to still serve it with every meal. It's really not worth pursuing the differences in our opinions about gay marriage, because that gulf is simply too wide to ever be bridged. Why do I feel I'm being set up with this seemingly humble concession? I have a feeling there's a big hammer coming down on my head soon enough. I played enough chess games to realize in the end that the opponent was cunning and had woven an intricate spider's web for a trap. :-) I understand your reaction, and I plead guilty to having done exactly the thing you are describing in the past. But that was honestly not my intention here. I was kinda bowing out of the discussion of gay marriage, because I honestly thought that it probably wouldn't be productive, if you were appealing to scripture and I don't believe in the concept of scripture as being scripture. For your information, I'm not a Hindu, nor a TM teacher. I'm only stating passages that I've read and appears to be sensible. For the most part, I'm just an observer. Cool. My mistake, and I apologize. Did you read the article George posted, BTW. I thought it was very powerful, and shed an interesting light on the subject. For me, the authors of the scriptures you like to quote and explain were Just People, just like you and me and everyone else. They were writers of religious fiction; possibly *inspired* fiction, but fiction. And as Oscar Wilde defined it, The good ended happily, and the bad unhappily. That is what Fiction means. For Hindus, the vedas were not written by any human beings. I completely understand this. For TurquoiseB, they were. They came from the Absolute. IMO, they were written by human beings but were inspired by their understanding of the Absolute. I have no problem with this. This would apply to the prophets in the Old Testament and the evangelists of the New Testament. I have no problem with this, either. I have no problem with seeing or with inspired writing. I only have an issue with it being equated with Truth because it was seen or felt inspired. That is to say, I have no problem with inspired writing being *both* inspired and at the same time complete balderdash. The fact that someone had a vision does not make that vision true, or even valuable. You explain marriage to a clay pot or a tree as if it could really actually DO something, on some level other than the placebo effect. You write about the seers of the Srimad Bhagavatam as if they were more than human, Perfect People Who Knew Everything. They lived in a golden age, in which things like gay marriage were never allowed to happen. They *knew* things that we don't, like how to do pretty much everything in such a way as to ensure the continuance of the all-important human race. Whether you like or not, the book was written the way it is. Again, no problem with the book, *or* with the people who take it as literal truth. I was merely reserving the right to view the book from a different point of view, and to poke a little fun at it, from that POV. You don't know me. I'm mainly Buddhist, but you should hear me wail on Buddhist scriptures. I believe in none of them completely, word for word, and I do not exclude *any* of them from being poked fun at. And I think that the orig- inal Buddha would approve of me doing so. It is up to the people who are still living now, and who are reading it to determine the wisdom of the messages. And their applicability to the modern age. For those who ignore it, the world continues the way it is and the way they are. As it does for those who read the book and see wisdom in its messages. They do not suddenly benefit from that wisdom by having read it. If it's true wisdom, they benefit from following its advice. Nothing is gained from reading the wisdom and nodding one's head and saying, Yup, that's wise, all right. IMO, they will be still subjected to the gunas, the ever present and continual change in the relative world. As will the people who read the book and find it wise. Would they find happiness? From my own life experience, I doubt it. I *think* you are still talking here about the people who read the book and don't find it wise. I would say that your statement applies equally to those who read the book and do find it wise. Reading the book ain't gonna change your life, whether you consider it wise or not, unless you DO something in
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sidhi course in Denmark!
Vaj wrote: What a ripoff. $4,663.00? TM-Sidhi course - summer 2008: June 28, 29 July 5, 6 July 12, 13 August 8-23 $200.00 average Amsterdam hotel expense x 22 days = $4,400.00. Not counting air fare, meals, or instruction, not a bad deal these days for an European vacation! If you lived in Europe you could probably bicycle over to the event. A stay at an Amsterdam hotel with spa privileges, ayerveda cuisine, and free seminars would probably cost closer to $10,000 for the same twenty-two days. Hotels Amsterdam Area: http://tinyurl.com/5h4vrx
[FairfieldLife] Please watch this
http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=96473
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kucinich Presents Articles of Impeachment Against Bush
I think Bush is now in trouble if a tantric is after him --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: May Bush's karma catch up with him sooner rather than later. feste37 wrote: I've been watching it. I found it inspiring and moving that Kucinich at least, if few others, has had the guts to stand up to the war criminals and call for the removal of the chief perpetrator. It's long overdue. Of course, it won't happen but it is great to watch Kucinich call for it from the floor of the House. More power to him. Unfortunately, it appears from everything I read that an attack on Iran will come before Bush leaves office -- one parting gift this reckless fool will leave us with. The Bush crazies probably think of it as a twofer -- attack Iran and get McCain elected at the same time. But apparently John Conyers, who is head of something-or- other in Congress, has warned Bush that if he attacks Iran, Conyers will begin impeachment proceedings against him. I wonder if it could backfire on Bush this time and he won't get away with it. But once those bombs start falling on Iran there will be hell to pay -- for all of us, far into the future. It is a very worrying prospect. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Finally!!! On CSPAN now. Stream here: http://c-span.org/watch/cs_cspan_wm.asp?Cat=TVCode=CS http://c-span.org/watch/cs_cspan_wm.asp?Cat=TVCode=CS
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kucinich Presents Articles of Impeachment Against Bush
the thing is people don't want to face the truth that our government and military and warmongering contractors, and all those making money off war are killing and torturing people, making money, deceiving everyone including themselves and ruining America some believe it was Ronald Reagan's tough talk, etc that brought soviet union down it had almost nothing to do with it Soviet Union's economy was alway weak and overextended due to production of military arms, space technology, and military ventures; that's what brought it down; they could not sustain all their foolish ventures while the people starved and now America is foolishly following in SU's footsteps; in a sense America can do much more damage not only to themselves but to the whole world because we started with the strongest economy in the world but that seems to be changing quickly karma is catching up ! the thing is, all of us are complicit in this and what is badly needed is a lot of courageous people to face the truth and to speak up we desperately need people like Gandhi, ML King, and Peace Pilgrim, Kucinich and others with the courage to speak the truth god bless, anatol --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: May Bush's karma catch up with him sooner rather than later. feste37 wrote: I've been watching it. I found it inspiring and moving that Kucinich at least, if few others, has had the guts to stand up to the war criminals and call for the removal of the chief perpetrator. It's long overdue. Of course, it won't happen but it is great to watch Kucinich call for it from the floor of the House. More power to him. Unfortunately, it appears from everything I read that an attack on Iran will come before Bush leaves office -- one parting gift this reckless fool will leave us with. The Bush crazies probably think of it as a twofer -- attack Iran and get McCain elected at the same time. But apparently John Conyers, who is head of something-or-other in Congress, has warned Bush that if he attacks Iran, Conyers will begin impeachment proceedings against him. I wonder if it could backfire on Bush this time and he won't get away with it. But once those bombs start falling on Iran there will be hell to pay -- for all of us, far into the future. It is a very worrying prospect. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Finally!!! On CSPAN now. Stream here: http://c-span.org/watch/cs_cspan_wm.asp?Cat=TVCode=CS http://c-span.org/watch/cs_cspan_wm.asp?Cat=TVCode=CS
[FairfieldLife] Re: Byron Katie's Awakening
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip It's not a 'noise' if there is nothing to perceive it, that's the point. snip There's nothing in the waking state that could not be in a dream state. What I should have said that when a tree falls in the woods it makes a sound wave. ;) You can't do anything in your dreams that you can do when you are awake. You can't pick up the latest Dean Koontz novel that you have not yet read and read it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Byron Katie's Awakening
-Re: Byron Katie's Awakening --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip It's not a 'noise' if there is nothing to perceive it, that's the point. snip There's nothing in the waking state that could not be in a dream state. What I should have said that when a tree falls in the woods it makes a sound wave. ;) You can't do everything in your dreams that you can do when you are awake. You can't pick up the latest Dean Koontz novel that you have not yet read and read it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Byron Katie's Awakening
--The flaw in your pseudo-Advaita reasoning is that AFTER one resides in non-duality;...you say there's nothing left. Incorrect. The rope is simply not seen as the snake. But the rope remains something altogether different (within and as the non-dual reality). However, this does not mean that the non-dual dream people vanish. Willytex still exists! ...do you not? and you differ from 108 and other people. OK - everything is non-dual big deal! Go on from there and don't get stuck in the neo-Advaitic trap. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yifuxero wrote: ---the flaw in your reasoning is the separation of entities that you call sentient from others. The flaw is the mistaken belief that we have an individual soul-monad, which accounts for people thinking that they are separate from each other and from the Absolute - the belief that they are individual subjects that possess individual souls that reincarnate as personalities. Sentience is the ability to feel or perceive subjectively. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentience This is an artificial separation. Maybe so. Again, the universe as a whole is the one. In Vedanta, the universe is an illusion, part and parcel of Maya. The real is transcendental, that is, beyond the relative world of matter. The 'One' is the 'Transcendental Person' that stands beyond the perceptions of the senses. There's no sound unless there's a sentient being to percieve it. yifuxero wrote: This is not in agreement with the latest theories in physics. Maybe so, but the subject of this thread is Byron Katies 'Awakening' - that's a metaphysical discussion, not a physics theory. The universe itself is the sentient being. You are assuming that there is a universe 'out there' - but you could be dreaming. In dreams we see universes out there; in dreams we can run and jump and consult our friends. There is nothing in the waking state that could not be experienced in a dream. And it all depends on what you mean by 'sentient being'. Sentience means anyone who can think and perceive. If there is no one around when a tree falls, then there is no one to think or perceive. We are perfectly justified in maintaining that only what is within ourselves can be immediately and directly perceived, and that only my own existence can be the object of a mere perception... Immanuel Kant, 'Critique of Pure Reason' A367 f.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Please watch this
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Louis McKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=96473 One of the most powerful, literate, and accurate pieces of television journalism since Edward R. Murrow. Must-see TV.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sidhi course in Denmark!
On Jun 10, 2008, at 2:04 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Vaj wrote: What a ripoff. $4,663.00? TM-Sidhi course - summer 2008: June 28, 29 July 5, 6 July 12, 13 August 8-23 $200.00 average Amsterdam hotel expense x 22 days = $4,400.00. Not counting air fare, meals, or instruction, not a bad deal these days for an European vacation! If you lived in Europe you could probably bicycle over to the event. A stay at an Amsterdam hotel with spa privileges, ayerveda cuisine, and free seminars would probably cost closer to $10,000 for the same twenty-two days. Hotels Amsterdam Area: http://tinyurl.com/5h4vrx The price does not include room and board, if I'm reading it correctly: AND payment for room and board. So make that even more of a ripoff. :-) Add your above price to the previous.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Kucinich Presents Articles of Impeachment Against Bush
After Reagan took office and especially in the 1990's we had the rise of a type of business person with no ethics. Not that we didn't have them all along but this was a massive rise. If it made money it was good. I saw a lot of that in the tech industry. It was as if a bunch of drug dealers got out of drugs and into tech (in fact that actually happened). Bush is emblematic of that kind of businessperson. He is the typical careless CEO that we saw many of during the 1990s. But there is also the karma of the American people or sheeple who flawed reasoning allowed this to go on. If this had been about any other country in the world the citizens would be in the streets. When I stand in line as I did yesterday at the bank and heard someone who commutes a good 60 miles to work talk about the high gas prices and shrug like there is nothing they can do about it. That is exactly the attitude I get when I ask people about the gas prices. We could take to the streets, they could walk off their jobs but they are afraid of losing the latter. We could probably arrange a night time protest but then they'd miss American Idol or their baseball game on TV. So if there is an economic collapse and people are hurt it is partly their fault for not speaking up sooner. And there is of course also the karma for the mainstream media who supported Bush's policies or kissed his ass. Those should all be shut down or broken up into small regional powerless companies. But to an extent this has to be done globally just as in another problem area we need to force billionaires to give up their wealth, let them retain a few million, but as we see a few mainly greedy people controlling the world's resources is a bad idea. In short we need a global revolution. Erase the blackboard and start all over again or face a very dark 21st century that will make the scenes of the future in The Terminator look like a Sunday picnic. Think outside the mob!!! amarnath wrote: the thing is people don't want to face the truth that our government and military and warmongering contractors, and all those making money off war are killing and torturing people, making money, deceiving everyone including themselves and ruining America some believe it was Ronald Reagan's tough talk, etc that brought soviet union down it had almost nothing to do with it Soviet Union's economy was alway weak and overextended due to production of military arms, space technology, and military ventures; that's what brought it down; they could not sustain all their foolish ventures while the people starved and now America is foolishly following in SU's footsteps; in a sense America can do much more damage not only to themselves but to the whole world because we started with the strongest economy in the world but that seems to be changing quickly karma is catching up ! the thing is, all of us are complicit in this and what is badly needed is a lot of courageous people to face the truth and to speak up we desperately need people like Gandhi, ML King, and Peace Pilgrim, Kucinich and others with the courage to speak the truth god bless, anatol
[FairfieldLife] Bush lied?
The Party of Defeat's Top Five Lies About Iraq By Ben Johnson FrontPageMagazine.com | Tuesday, June 10, 2008 FROM THE BEGINNING, THE WAR HAS BEEN BASED ON LIES, DECEPTION, AND PROPAGANDA: the war against President Bush, that is. Beginning five years ago next month, the Party of Defeat's attempts to discredit the commander-in-chief in the midst of a war have continued without quarter, undeterred by factual refutation, rational discourse, measurable progress in Iraq, or palpable damage to the morale of American soldiers in a very hostile part of the world. The Left's campaign against the very war many of its banner-wavers voted to authorize has been built upon a tissues of lies layered upon one another, big and small, consequential and unspeakably petty, political and military, and aimed at the war's rationale and prosecution -- and those implementing both. Of the scores of such fabrications, it would be difficult to quantify the most damaging or widely held. However, here is in an attempt at recounting some of the most commonly parroted lies of the antiwar echo chamber. 1. Bush Lied, People Died. One of the chief targets of any enemy campaign is not one reached by any bomb, biological agent, or terrorist attack: it is psychological. If the enemy can undermine his opponents' self-confidence or feeling of certainty in his own moral purpose, he can win without firing a shot. This is the most successful aspect of the Left's campaign against President Bush and the war in Iraq, embodied in one pithy, vapid saying: Bush Lied, People Died. The specific instance of the president's alleged mendacity is ever- shifting. Its sources have sometimes been Ambassador Joseph Wilson and Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski, both proven to be liars themselves by the Senate Intelligence Committee. The theme of the president's alleged lies tends to be the case for the existence of Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq. However, as one prominent politician has stated: The intelligence from Bush I to Clinton to Bush II was consistent. That intelligence was very strong on the continuing presence of biological and chemical programs It was also very consistent on the continuing effort to develop nuclear capacity This picture of a threatening Iraq projected itself far beyond the U.S. intelligence community: The consensus was the same, from the Clinton administration to the Bush administration. It was the same intelligence belief that our allies and friends around the world shared. These quotations do not come from John McCain, Donald Rumsfeld, or another fire-breathing neocon: they were spoken by Hillary Clinton, one of the voices now declaiming the president misled her about the war. If Bush lied to her, so, too, did the best and brightest of her own fantasy administration. According to the print media, She said she confirmed Bush administration assessments with private briefings from experts from her husband's administration. This may explain why she did not bother to read the National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq. Although the NIE had been requested by Senate Democrats, only six senators took the time to peruse its contents. (Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid was not among them, either.) Yet the NIE simply codified the foregoing intelligence consensus on Iraq shared by previous administrations and the CIA's colleagues around the world, all well beyond the controlling hand of Bush, Cheney, Halliburton, and Alcoa. This broad agreement on the threat of Saddam Hussein, however wrong it may have been, represented bipartisan territory, explaining why so many left-wing Democrats echoed the president on Baghdad's continuing danger. This intelligence -- similar to that given to the president every morning, though less alarmist -- was available to Congress, yet they refused to read it, because they based their votes on political expediency. As David Horowitz and I document in our book Party of Defeat, the war-against-the-war (and by extension, the war against the American soldiers fighting to secure victory in that war) began in the summer of 2003, led by Ted Kennedy and Ellen Tauscher. In July 2003, the Democratic National Committee launched an ad entitled, Read His Lips: President Bush Deceives the American People. Yet many nationally elected Democrats had voted for the war just months earlier. There had been no sea-change, no windfall revelation of the president's deception (aside from those errants cited earlier); the Democratic Left simply tired of its charade. After the first Gulf War, savvy leftists resolved never to get caught on the wrong side of a popular war; thus, they hedged their bets, voting for the war as an act of cowardice, then turned on the war they set in motion at their earliest convenience. In this muddled mess, somehow it is President Bush who is tarred as inauthentic. 2. Iraq was not an `imminent threat,' as Bush said. CIA Denies Claims
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Kucinich Presents Articles of Impeachment Against Bush
Richard J. Williams wrote: Kucinich Presents Articles of Impeachment Against Bush Richard J. Williams wrote: So, exactly, on what grounds would the U.S. Congress be impeaching the president? Bhairitu wrote: The 35 articles that Kucinich presented. But according to the 'Senate Intelligence Committee Report on Prewar Iraq Intelligence' everything Bush said prior to the Iraq invasion was 'substantiated by intelligence information', so where is the lie that Bush told? Where is the proof? Richard, Kucinich presented the proof in his articles. Go read them. I spent almost 3 hours watching him present them. Did you? No, you're afraid too, aren't you? That would sully your red neck image here on FFL.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Byron Katie's Awakening
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --The flaw in your pseudo-Advaita reasoning is that AFTER one resides in non-duality;...you say there's nothing left. Incorrect. The rope is simply not seen as the snake. But the rope remains something altogether different (within and as the non-dual reality). However, this does not mean that the non-dual dream people vanish. Willytex still exists! ...do you not? and you differ from 108 and other people. OK - everything is non-dual big deal! Go on from there and don't get stuck in the neo-Advaitic trap. That's it exactly. What you would call the Neo-Advaitic trap I would call the one point of view is the highest trap. The Neo-Advaitan (or even Advaitan) point of view is Just Another Point Of View. It does not supersede or make invalid any other points of view. Just because a perceiver sees the world as One does not mean it is not *also* many. There is a lot of this in the TM rap, and in many other spiritual trips' raps. Basically it boils down to, There are many points of view, but only one of them is 'true,' the 'highest.' I think they could have stopped at, There are many points of view..., and if they were more honest, added, ...and all of them are equally true, from that point of view. I'm not buyin' this highest shit. I have had experiences in which I saw the world as One, too. All distinctions disappeared, all boundaries between objects and sentient beings disappeared and they merged as One, and there was no distinc- tion between myself as perceiver of this One and One itSelf. But then the phone rang, and someone ELSE wanted to talk to me. In my humble opinion, that someone ELSE really existed. They had their own point of view, *just* as valid as mine, and that point of view wanted to interface with mine, as part of the cosmic dance that some call Lila and I call interdependent origination. I don't have to consider the caller other than mySelf to grant them respect as other than my self. They do exist. So do I. And *at the same time* we are One. The one does not invalidate the other. The One does not invalidate the many. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willytex@ wrote: yifuxero wrote: ---the flaw in your reasoning is the separation of entities that you call sentient from others. The flaw is the mistaken belief that we have an individual soul-monad, which accounts for people thinking that they are separate from each other and from the Absolute - the belief that they are individual subjects that possess individual souls that reincarnate as personalities. Sentience is the ability to feel or perceive subjectively. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentience This is an artificial separation. Maybe so. Again, the universe as a whole is the one. In Vedanta, the universe is an illusion, part and parcel of Maya. The real is transcendental, that is, beyond the relative world of matter. The 'One' is the 'Transcendental Person' that stands beyond the perceptions of the senses. There's no sound unless there's a sentient being to percieve it. yifuxero wrote: This is not in agreement with the latest theories in physics. Maybe so, but the subject of this thread is Byron Katies 'Awakening' - that's a metaphysical discussion, not a physics theory. The universe itself is the sentient being. You are assuming that there is a universe 'out there' - but you could be dreaming. In dreams we see universes out there; in dreams we can run and jump and consult our friends. There is nothing in the waking state that could not be experienced in a dream. And it all depends on what you mean by 'sentient being'. Sentience means anyone who can think and perceive. If there is no one around when a tree falls, then there is no one to think or perceive. We are perfectly justified in maintaining that only what is within ourselves can be immediately and directly perceived, and that only my own existence can be the object of a mere perception... Immanuel Kant, 'Critique of Pure Reason' A367 f.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Kucinich Presents Articles of Impeachment Against Bush
Especially with the shakti of the FFL members enlivening the curse. :-) sgrayatlarge wrote: I think Bush is now in trouble if a tantric is after him
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Kucinich Presents Articles of Impeachment Against Bush
Thanks for watching for three hours, Bhairitu.nbsp; I couldn't get to it.nbsp; Let me know, please, where I could read the thing since I still don't have time to search.nbsp; Still unpacking and finding stuff while having to get another art show ready in less than a month's time and also trying to get connected to the local health care system while pressing medical issues are slowing me down.nbsp; nbsp; Your analysis in the previous email seems right on to me.nbsp; But there is a problem with our sheeple that you haven't mentioned.nbsp; In Europe and in Asia people tend to think that Americans believe that they've dealt with a problem once they've talked about it a lot, even though they haven't actually done anything.nbsp; The folks who think in terms of Spiral Dynamics think this is true only of the mean green meme, but I think it's true of us generally regardless of meme. a nbsp; nbsp; --- On Tue, 10/6/08, Bhairitu lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; wrote: From: Bhairitu lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Kucinich Presents Articles of Impeachment Against Bush To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, 10 June, 2008, 2:02 PM Richard J. Williams wrote: gt;gt;gt;gt; Kucinich Presents Articles of Impeachment gt;gt;gt;gt; Against Bush gt;gt;gt;gt; gt;gt;gt;gt; gt; Richard J. Williams wrote: gt; gt;gt;gt; So, exactly, on what grounds would the U.S. gt;gt;gt; Congress be impeaching the president? gt;gt;gt; gt;gt;gt; gt; Bhairitu wrote: gt; gt;gt; The 35 articles that Kucinich presented. gt;gt; gt;gt; gt; But according to the 'Senate Intelligence Committee gt; Report on Prewar Iraq Intelligence' everything Bush gt; said prior to the Iraq invasion was 'substantiated gt; by intelligence information' , so where is the lie gt; that Bush told? Where is the proof? Richard, Kucinich presented the proof in his articles. Go read them. I spent almost 3 hours watching him present them. Did you? No, you're afraid too, aren't you? That would sully your red neck image here on FFL. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kucinich Presents Articles of Impeachment Against Bush
Angela Mailander wrote: In Europe and in Asia people tend to think that Americans believe that they've dealt with a problem once they've talked about it a lot, even though they haven't actually done anything. Maybe you should read the newspaper more often, Angela! Six world powers the United States, Russia, China, Britian, Germany and France are developing a package of fresh penalties and incentives aimed at reining in Tehran's alleged atomic ambitions. The EU's foreign policy chief, Javier Solana, plans to visit Iranian leaders soon in Tehran to appeal to them to accept negotiations over the nuclear standoff. Read more; 'Bush and allies embrace possible Iran sanctions' By Deb Roechmann Associated Press, June 10, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/57wap5
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kucinich Presents Articles of Impeachment Against Bush
Bhairitu wrote: Kucinich presented the proof in his articles. So, there's no 'smoking gun' - I thought so. No proof, just wild accusations that amount to next to nothing. What a farce! Otherwise the news would be all over the internet and in the newspapers. Only nuts like you would spend three hours watching some idiot make a fool of himself like that. Go figure. But according to the 'Senate Intelligence Committee Report on Prewar Iraq Intelligence' everything Bush said prior to the Iraq invasion was 'substantiated by intelligence information', so where is the lie that Bush told? Where is the proof?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Kucinich Presents Articles of Impeachment Against Bush
You can find the text of the Impeachment Articles here: http://kucinich.house.gov/spotlightissues/documents.htm I was just responding to a thread started by some supposed soldier on another forum who was accusing members of that forum for destroying the country. I commented back that as a boomer growing up in the 50's I was raised hearing about fascism, Nazism and hence totalitarianism (the Russian version was the foe of the time) and how bad they were. Now we see it here in this country and this supposed young soldier who wasn't raised that way doesn't get it. He doesn't understand these freedoms were fought for over the last two centuries. We should not just throw them away for profits of a few filthy rich. Regarding Russia, when I was in the 2nd or 3rd grade the country superintendent of schools went on an educator's tour of the Soviet Union. When he returned he showed slides and told us about what he saw and more or less implied that the Soviet Union was not quite the threat that our government's propaganda was suggesting. That was confirmed later on especially if you read or saw the interviews with Krushev's son who said at the time of the Cuban Missle Crisis the USSR was already falling apart and in economic trouble. Angela Mailander wrote: Thanks for watching for three hours, Bhairitu.nbsp; I couldn't get to it.nbsp; Let me know, please, where I could read the thing since I still don't have time to search.nbsp; Still unpacking and finding stuff while having to get another art show ready in less than a month's time and also trying to get connected to the local health care system while pressing medical issues are slowing me down.nbsp; nbsp; Your analysis in the previous email seems right on to me.nbsp; But there is a problem with our sheeple that you haven't mentioned.nbsp; In Europe and in Asia people tend to think that Americans believe that they've dealt with a problem once they've talked about it a lot, even though they haven't actually done anything.nbsp; The folks who think in terms of Spiral Dynamics think this is true only of the mean green meme, but I think it's true of us generally regardless of meme. a nbsp; nbsp; --- On Tue, 10/6/08, Bhairitu lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; wrote: From: Bhairitu lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Kucinich Presents Articles of Impeachment Against Bush To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, 10 June, 2008, 2:02 PM Richard J. Williams wrote: gt;gt;gt;gt; Kucinich Presents Articles of Impeachment gt;gt;gt;gt; Against Bush gt;gt;gt;gt; gt;gt;gt;gt; gt; Richard J. Williams wrote: gt; gt;gt;gt; So, exactly, on what grounds would the U.S. gt;gt;gt; Congress be impeaching the president? gt;gt;gt; gt;gt;gt; gt; Bhairitu wrote: gt; gt;gt; The 35 articles that Kucinich presented. gt;gt; gt;gt; gt; But according to the 'Senate Intelligence Committee gt; Report on Prewar Iraq Intelligence' everything Bush gt; said prior to the Iraq invasion was 'substantiated gt; by intelligence information' , so where is the lie gt; that Bush told? Where is the proof? Richard, Kucinich presented the proof in his articles. Go read them. I spent almost 3 hours watching him present them. Did you? No, you're afraid too, aren't you? That would sully your red neck image here on FFL. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kucinich Presents Articles of Impeachment Against Bush
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Angela Mailander wrote: In Europe and in Asia people tend to think that Americans believe that they've dealt with a problem once they've talked about it a lot, even though they haven't actually done anything. Maybe you should read the newspaper more often, Angela! Six world powers the United States, Russia, China, Britian, Germany and France are developing a package of fresh penalties and incentives aimed at reining in Tehran's alleged atomic ambitions. Exactly the reason I no longer live in France. Currently in the country I do live in, Spain, there are massive trucker's strikes protesting the huge difference in fuel prices between Spain and France as one crosses the border. The difference is now close to 20-25%. 20-25% higher, that is, in France. The reason is because France is getting away with paying for many of its deficit programs by paying for them through higher fuel taxes, passed along to the drivers and truckers, and Spain is not. Iran is a sticky wicket, internationally. On the one hand, its leaders and their rhetoric are scary to the max. These people are over the top crazy. On the other hand, I can understand them resorting to the rhetoric, because IMO they correctly perceive that their very survival as a nation depends upon being able to defend themselves in a nuclear age. The reason is in a chart on this Wikipedia page. Scroll down to the chart labeled, Summary of Reserve Data as of 2007. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_reserves The current leaders of Iran are, IMO, making the same basic mistake that Saddam Hussein did. They are underestimating America's and its five partners in need's willingness to take whatever the fuck they need, from anyone who has it. Iran is the third-largest holder of petroleum reserves on the planet. America and its five partners want cheap gas, and their populations don't care how their leaders get it, just as long as they get it. Iran is toast.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Byron Katie's Awakening
yifuxero wrote: --The flaw in your pseudo-Advaita reasoning is that AFTER one resides in non-duality;...you say there's nothing left. Incorrect. This is not 'pseudo-Advaita', it's the real thing: There is only One - there are not two. Everything but the One is an illusion. The One is the only Reality. The One can only be experienced in transcendental conciousness. There is no creation, no dissolution; no coming forth, no coming to be; nothing moves here or there; there is no change. Source: S. Vidyasankar: http://www.advaita-vedanta.org/avhp/ad_faq.html Ajativada or the doctrine of no-origination, is the fundamental doctrine of Gaudapaada. From the absolute standpoint origination is an impossibility. Gaudapada: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaudapada Titles of interest: 'Dispelling Illusion' Gaudapada's Alatasanti by Douglas A. Fox State University of New York Press, 1993
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Kucinich Presents Articles of Impeachment Against Bush
Richard J. Williams wrote: Bhairitu wrote: Kucinich presented the proof in his articles. So, there's no 'smoking gun' - I thought so. No proof, just wild accusations that amount to next to nothing. What a farce! Otherwise the news would be all over the internet and in the newspapers. Only nuts like you would spend three hours watching some idiot make a fool of himself like that. Go figure. You still haven't read the articles have you? They are very well documented. It should be posted here later today: http://kucinich.house.gov/spotlightissues/documents.htm Here is a synopsis which includes a link to the full document: http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/64528 Not in the newspapers though a search shows quite a bit of coverage even by the MSM. Do you actually read newsprint or do you read them online as I do (I get the weekend edition of the SF Chron only)? Many of the newpapers are owned by mainstream media crooks. They see Bush as their puppy and suck up to him. They are cowards and if we succeed will be investigated by if some are guilty of aiding and abetting in Bush's war crimes will see prison in their old age instead of their mansions, yachts and private jets. I agree with Thom Hartmann who this morning feels that impeachment isn't good enough for Bush. Instead he should be indicted for murder as prosecutor Vincent Bugliosi has made a case for in his book: http://www.amazon.com/Prosecution-George-W-Bush-Murder/dp/159315481X/ Bugliosi hopes that since many prosecutors across the country read his books they will mount a campaign for such a case, hopefully in the next few month (sooner the better before Bush destroys the world). If I really wanted to watch some nut make a fool of himself I would read all of your posts.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kucinich Presents Articles of Impeachment Against Bush
Bhairitu wrote: You can find the text of the Impeachment Articles here: So, where, exactly, in the 'Senate Intelligence Committee Report on Prewar Iraq Intelligence' is the *proof* that Bush or Cheney lied about prewar intelligence? That's all I'm asking, Barry. Anyone can make accusations, but where is the smoking gun? Didn't John Kerry, John Edwards, and Hillary Clinton all vote yes to authorize the president to use military force in Iraq? And didn't they each have the same intelligence as the president? And wouldn't the Senators who just released the Senate Report have said that Bush or Cheney had 'purposely manipulated the intelligence process to deceive the citizens and Congress of the United States by fabricating a threat'? Since they didn't, I will assume that Dennis is a left-wing loon and he will probably be laughed out of Congress. Senate Intelligence Committee Report on Prewar Iraq Intelligence: http://tinyurl.com/5waadu The Vice President of the United States, Richard B. Cheney, has purposely manipulated the intelligence process to deceive the citizens and Congress of the United States by fabricating a threat of Iraqi weapons of mass destruction to justify the use of the U.S. Armed Forces against the nation of Iraq in a manner damaging to out national security interests. http://kucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/int2.pdf
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kucinich Presents Articles of Impeachment Against Bush
So, there's no 'smoking gun' - I thought so. Bhairitu wrote: You still haven't read the articles have you? So, you still haven't read the 'Senate Intelligence Committee Report on Prewar Iraq Intelligence' - I thought so - but you will waste three hours watching Dennis Kucinich. Typical conspiracy theorist!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kucinich Presents Articles of Impeachment Against Bush
Turq wrote: Iran is toast. Maybe so, but the U.S. has more oil reserves than it can use - we don't need any oil from Iran or Iraq. All we need is to drill or extract our own oil, then refine it into gasoline. I get almost all my oil from either Spindletop or the Permian Basin and I use only genuine Texaco gasoline in my American-made car. $3.71 Regular Gas Buddy: http://tinyurl.com/5qo2zl You'd think with gas prices topping $4 and consumers crying uncle, Congress would be moving fast to spur development of a domestic oil resource so vast - 800 billion barrels of recoverable oil shale in Colorado, Utah and Wyoming alone - it could eventually rival the oil fields of Saudi Arabia. Read more: 'DOMESTIC ENERGY PRODUCTION -- Not a goal, apparently:' Posted by Glenn Reynolds Instapundit, June 09, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/5heddm RALEIGH, North Carolina - - Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama said on Monday he would impose a windfall profits tax on U.S. oil companies as he sought political gain from Americans' pain over high gasoline prices. Read more: 'Obama says he would impose oil windfall profits tax' Reuters, Mon Jun 9, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/6sb9dh This morning, a cloture vote on the Democrats' scheme to impose a windfall profits tax on America's oil companies failed on a 50-44 vote. Full story: 'Senate Blocks 'Windfall Profits' Tax Posted by John Hindraker Powerline, June 10, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/5x5b5q
[FairfieldLife] Re: Byron Katie's Awakening
There's nothing in the waking state that could not be in a dream state. Ruth wrote: You can't do everything in your dreams that you can do when you are awake. You can't pick up the latest Dean Koontz novel that you have not yet read and read it. You could pick up the latest Dean Koontz novel that you have not yet read and read it in a dream. There's nothing in the waking state that could not be in a dream state. In dream states we can read novels and run and jump and consult with our friends, just like we do in the waking state. There's no proof that you are not in a dream state right now. The Chinese philosopher, Chuang Tsu (c. 369-268 B.C.) said: 'I once dreamt I was a butterfly. Suddenly I awakened, and there I lay like a man, myself again. Now, which am I? A man dreaming he is a butterfly, or a butterfly dreaming he is man?'
[FairfieldLife] Tell Congress: Impeach George W. Bush
-- Forwarded Message From: American Freedom Campaign [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 16:33:12 -0400 (EDT) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Tell Congress: Impeach George W. Bush Last night, on the floor of the U.S. House of Representatives, Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-OH) introduced 35 articles of impeachment against President George W. Bush. Many of the articles -- which are listed at the bottom of this E-mail -- echoed calls and allegations we have been making since the launch of the American Freedom Campaign last July. The next step is for the House to refer the articles to the House Judiciary Committee. The Judiciary Committee will then determine -- by majority vote -- whether the grounds for impeachment exist. An objective review of the articles would undoubtedly demonstrate that many, if not most, of the articles prepared by Rep. Kucinich are backed up by sufficient grounds to proceed with the impeachment process. Now is the time to let your U.S. representative know that you strongly support impeachment hearings before the House Judiciary Committee and further proceedings on the House floor. Please take a moment to let your U.S. representative know that you support the impeachment of George W. Bush by clicking on the following link: http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/dia/track.jsp?v=2c=TzpwChn6C19QnPG%2F3V rD4Eife1u6dCQW http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/dia/track.jsp?v=2c=TzpwChn6C19QnPG%2F3V rD4Eife1u6dCQW From torture to rendition to spying on Americans to abusing signing statements, Rep. Kucinich detailed all of the reasons why George W. Bush should be impeached. He included as Article XXVII one of the American Freedom Campaign's top issues: Failing to Comply with Congressional Subpoenas and Instructing Former Employees Not to Comply. The founders of our country feared more than anything else the prospect of an executive who put his own power and desires above the Constitution. Congress was given the power of impeachment so that it could remove any president who committed the high crime of violating the Constitution during his (or her) term in office. A strong case can be made that no president in the history of this country is more deserving of impeachment than George W. Bush. If he is not impeached, the bar for impeachment will have been raised so high that it might as well no longer exist. Future presidents will know that they can violate the Constitution at will, confident in the fact that Congress does not have the courage as an institution to do anything about it. We cannot allow this to happen. Please send an E-mail to your representative today urging immediate action on the impeachment of George W. Bush. http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/dia/track.jsp?v=2c=xmRH%2FZFxk8MvVIvEGv Xa2kife1u6dCQW http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/dia/track.jsp?v=2c=xmRH%2FZFxk8MvVIvEGv Xa2kife1u6dCQW Once you have taken action yourself, please take a moment to forward this E-mail to as many people as you can. Thank you for standing up for your country and the Constitution. Steve Steve Fox Campaign Director American Freedom Campaign Action Fund Here are the 35 articles of impeachment introduced by Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-OH) on June 9, 2008: Article I Creating a Secret Propaganda Campaign to Manufacture a False Case for War Against Iraq. Article II Falsely, Systematically, and with Criminal Intent Conflating the Attacks of September 11, 2001, With Misrepresentation of Iraq as a Security Threat as Part of Fraudulent Justification for a War of Aggression. Article III Misleading the American People and Members of Congress to Believe Iraq Possessed Weapons of Mass Destruction, to Manufacture a False Case for War. Article IV Misleading the American People and Members of Congress to Believe Iraq Posed an Imminent Threat to the United States. Article V Illegally Misspending Funds to Secretly Begin a War of Aggression. Article VI Invading Iraq in Violation of the Requirements of HJRes114. Article VII Invading Iraq Absent a Declaration of War. Article VIII Invading Iraq, A Sovereign Nation, in Violation of the UN Charter. Article IX Failing to Provide Troops With Body Armor and Vehicle Armor Article X Falsifying Accounts of US Troop Deaths and Injuries for Political Purposes Article XI Establishment of Permanent U.S. Military Bases in Iraq Article XII Initiating a War Against Iraq for Control of That Nation's Natural Resources Article X Creating a Secret Task Force to Develop Energy and Military Policies With Respect to Iraq and Other Countries Article XIV Misprision of a Felony, Misuse and Exposure of Classified Information And Obstruction of Justice in the Matter of Valerie Plame Wilson, Clandestine Agent of the Central Intelligence Agency Article XV Providing Immunity from Prosecution for Criminal Contractors in Iraq Article XVI
[FairfieldLife] Young Obama pictures
The man who captured the hearts and minds of America: Pictures of a Young Obama! http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/070323obama-early-photogallery,0,5576750.photogallery
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Please watch this
ok Carol, I am writinjg him now will post today or tomorrow THANKS for the responce keep us posted In a message dated 6/10/2008 2:30:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Louis McKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=96473 One of the most powerful, literate, and accurate pieces of television journalism since Edward R. Murrow. Must-see TV. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links **Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg0005000102)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Young Obama pictures
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The man who captured the hearts and minds of America: Pictures of a Young Obama! http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/070323obama-early-photoga\ llery,0,5576750.photogallery Hey, nice photos, Vaj! Here's one when he was 14 visiting Sweden with 22 of his brothers and sisters:
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Please watch this
He is entitled to his openion. Based of few fact his very poor choice of words I feel. NOT that the presided will keep quiet one mans openion beneath him at that. In a message dated 6/10/2008 5:38:33 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=96473 **Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg0005000102)
[FairfieldLife] Zimbabwe and South Africa: Both going to hell in a handbasket
http://tinyurl.com/62l2fm Struggles by Philip Gourevitch June 9, 2008 At first glance, the photograph flashed on news reports around the worldan image of a man burning in South Africa, necklaced with a rubber tire that had been doused in gasoline and set aflamelooked like a relic from the days of apartheid. Necklacing was common then: it was the way that enforcers of the revolutionary African National Congress made an example of informers who betrayed their struggle for majority rule. That struggle was finally won at the ballot box fourteen years ago, but the photograph of the burning man was taken last month, as South African mobs tore through the country's townships and shantytowns, hunting down foreigners. The young men who formed the core of the mobs were armed with everything from hammers and whips to machetes and guns, and they were not easily deterred. Even when President Thabo Mbeki, who sat silently by during the first ten days of the pogroms, called out the Army, the violence continued, and once again the photographs of the confrontations recalled the township showdowns of yore: uniformed sharpshooters firing into the throng, albeit with rubber bullets. Roughly five million of the fifty million people who live in South Africa are migrants from elsewhere on the continentMalawi, Nigeria, Congo, Mozambique, Sudan, Somalia, Rwanda, and Zimbabwe. They came in the years since apartheid, seeking political refuge or economic opportunity or both, and their presence could be seen as a measure of South Africa's success: the nation that once produced asylum seekers had become a place of asylum. But the banishment of white-supremacist rule did not bring an end to South Africa's divisiveness and inequality; the terms were merely reconfigured. In the place of political violence, the nation has been plagued by one of the highest rates of violent crime in the world. Most of the victims, like most of the perpetrators, belong to the vast black underclass. Rising unemployment (twenty-three per cent nationwide, and two or three times that in the townships) and rising food and fuel prices have led to rising desperation for those chronically excluded from the promises of the new South Africa. The tabloid press and the political demagogues freely blame the social situation on foreigners, and in the last weeks of May more than fifty of them (as well as several South Africans mistaken for foreigners) were killed by the mobs, while more than thirty thousand were driven from their homes, stripped of their possessions, and left to huddle in makeshift camps around churches and police stations or to flee for the borders. The man in the now iconic photograph was Mozambican; thousands of his compatriots bolted homeward, and the government of Mozambique declared a state of emergency on its frontiers. The great mass of South Africa's foreigners, however, are from Zimbabwe, and for them some three million people, or a quarter of Zimbabwe's population repatriation is not an option. They have fled the incessantly escalating hunger, degradation, and violence of President Robert Mugabe's dispensation. In fact, even as they are hounded in the streets of South Africa, more of their compatriots are risking their lives to escape Zimbabwe and join them. In late March, Mugabe, after three decades in power, did not win reëlectionthis time, he had failed to rig the vote sufficientlyand in the months since, in preparation for a runoff vote on June 27th, he has unleashed his soldiers and militias to run a campaign of systematic terror against supporters of his rival, Morgan Tsvangirai. from the issuecartoon banke-mail thisLast year, after Mugabe's torturers battered Tsvangirai almost to death, regional leaders appointed Mbeki to mediate the crisis in Zimbabwe. But Mbeki has been utterly unwilling to show any spine in dealing with Mugabe. On the contrary, he has exhibited a sinister solidarity with his fellow onetime liberation fighter. With strenuous unreality, he has gone so far as to deny that Zimbabwe is in crisis, and he has refused to extend formal refugee status, and the protections that come with it, to millions of the Zimbabweans in his country, lest he insult Mugabe. Mbeki is a lame-duck President, required to step down next year, and he has lost control of the A.N.C. party apparatus to his chief rival, Jacob Zuma. But his coddling of Mugabe has made him complicit in Zimbabwe's devastation. So perhaps there is some justice in the fact that the Zimbabwean crisis he denies threatens to become the defining crisis of his Presidency. After all, the recent mayhem in South Africa only serves Mugabe, creating a distraction as he bleeds Zimbabwe in the final stretch of the election, with forebodings of greater slaughter hanging over the outcome. It is not obvious what leverage there is on Mugabe. Defiance is his element; he loves to tell the world, Go to hell.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kucinich Presents Articles of Impeachment Against Bush
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Regarding Russia, when I was in the 2nd or 3rd grade the country superintendent of schools went on an educator's tour of the Soviet Union. When he returned he showed slides and told us about what he saw and more or less implied that the Soviet Union was not quite the threat that our government's propaganda was suggesting. That was confirmed later on especially if you read or saw the interviews with Krushev's son who said at the time of the Cuban Missle Crisis the USSR was already falling apart and in economic trouble. USSR was already falling apart and in economic trouble. this is a very important point USSR crumbled because they were spending way too much on military weapons and misguided military ventures around the world now, the USA is doing the same thing it shouldn't take a genius to see this ?
[FairfieldLife] KS of the day: II 22
http://titus.uni-frankfurt.de/texte/etcs/ind/aind/klskt/kamasutr/kamas.htm http://tinyurl.com/5c2h2e (In H-K): surataante sukhaM puMsaaM striiNaaM tu satataM sukham Could that mean something like: Men's (puMsaam) pleasure (sukham) at the end (ante) of coitus (surata-), but (tu) women's (striiNaam) pleasure (sukham) all the time (satatam)?
[FairfieldLife] Adi Shankara's Durvasana Pratikara
http://www.celextel.org/stotrasother/durvasanapratekaradasakam.html Durvaasanaa Prateekaara Dashakam [Reversal of Evil Propensities] By Vidyaranya Swami Translated by V. Ramanujam [Durvaasana refers to the evil propensities present in man that induce even the most controlled of human beings to err and succumb to temptations or compulsions at times. Pratheekaara refers to reversal or negation by taking calculated well-advised right action and not the most expected impulsive reaction on a provocation. Dashakam refers to ten shlokaas within which a wide range of subjects of such nature has been covered. The words in bracket are my addition.] 1. Our time may be spent (thus:) In the morning by discharging the duties ordained as per Vedaas. Thereafter by reflecting on noble (teachings imparted by) Vedaanta. After that by (reading / listening to) the epic story of Bharata and Rama by Sage Vasishta (which is the) religious story on Deliverance from the Cycle of Birth and Death. In the evening by (reading / listening to) the meaning of and the principle behind the story of Bhagavatam (and in the night) by meditation. The course of our living (is determined by what you had earned) by your past actions (kaarmic effect) which have started yielding their reactions or results from the time of the present birth. 2. Oh! My mind! Give up ignorance by proper understanding of Brahman, the Absolute God Principle and Jivatman, the Individual Entity Principle. For ever get rid of fancies and actions (to satisfy desires) also by the realization of the untruth of this created world (that all the efforts put in, had after all not satisfied all desires but only paved the way for the next desire, the list of which has no end). By considering the fact that procuring worldly objects is a difficult and endless effort, get rid of desire always. Indeed anger through forgiving (and) greed by conscious effort through adopting an attitude of contentment in life overcome always. 3. (Oh!) My mind! By realizing (that) ultimately (it will only lead to) misery, give up the illusory pleasure (that) the tongue (and) the genitals provide. Give up talking harsh by speaking softly and soothingly. Practising silence avoid wasteful effort in indulging in useless talk. Give up bad company by deriving strength from the company of the good and righteous people. Give up arrogant pride indeed by realizing that some one could humble you too! By recalling the stories (you have heard of) criticism of venerable gods (and) sages. Give up unhappiness arising out of others criticizing you. 4. (Oh! My mind!) By enjoying (only) pious, pure, non-exciting, non-spicy food, avoid sleeping (for unduly long hours). Always by being alert and practical and realistic in life, avoid day dreaming fantasies in life! By eating (only) well cooked and easily digestible (food) in limited quantities that also, overcome diseases. Always overcome the feeling of helplessness by mustering mental strength (which comes only of study of scriptures). Get over desire for more and more property by very well disassociating with such people (who create the desire). Get over temptation for women by thinking of the possible ill effects of excessive sex or over attachment. By realizing that Aatman or Self is by nature always in Bliss, get over grief (as it affects only the body, which is of transitory nature in the journey of the soul). 5. Give up (over) attachment towards the spouse by not doting on her (too much). Give up (over) attachment (towards) children and wealth indeed (by realizing) their transient nature. Get over attachment (towards anything / anybody by) getting rid of delusion. By compassion get over harsh feelings. By an attitude of equality and indifference avoid the evil propensities (towards) friends or enemies. Give up all evil-causing enemies (i.e.,) ten sense and action organs by retiring to solitary place. 6. Overcome laziness by developing a habit of prompt response, fatigue by relaxing the mind, lethargy by forcibly keeping alert, the delusion of plurality or seeing differences among people and situations by showing in practice the strength of non-duality, the mistaken notion that the world is real by understanding the reality of the unreal nature of the world, uttering words and saying things that harm others by realizing one's own shortcomings and recalling things that hurt themselves, anger by visualizing others also just as themselves, rebuking others by speaking soft and soothing words to them as a drill. (Oh Mind!) Through the strength of being well informed of matters dispel the fear born of uncertainty and insecurity. 7. Oh Mind! Renounce the tendency to brood over the past by recognizing such effort as wasteful indeed. By realizing that what is present now may not be there / will become a thing of the past, tomorrow avoid pre-occupation and over attachment with objects available now. Always by realizing that what is in store as per your own Karma will
[FairfieldLife] Re: Byron Katie's Awakening
---OK, we're in a dream; but an important point (IMO), is how important or signifant are the dream people to you in the context of non-duality. Are you taking the Neo-Advaitin position that (since everything is a dream), then I don't know and I don't care; or the Buddhist position that you/we are responsible for helping others - in fact, everybody in the entire universe. Practically speaking, that may not be feasible right now; but just follow Dalai Lama's words of wisdom - try to extend compassion to everybody. This may include various physical means to eradicate suffering. But being a Neo-Advaitin, I take it that you consider the dream- people to be virtually non-existent people and about as important as those Second Life Avatars (of no importance). Since we're all living in a type of Second Life cyberworld of dreamlike substance; then anything goes: suffering is equal to non-suffering since the dream- like Avatars just pop up again. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's nothing in the waking state that could not be in a dream state. Ruth wrote: You can't do everything in your dreams that you can do when you are awake. You can't pick up the latest Dean Koontz novel that you have not yet read and read it. You could pick up the latest Dean Koontz novel that you have not yet read and read it in a dream. There's nothing in the waking state that could not be in a dream state. In dream states we can read novels and run and jump and consult with our friends, just like we do in the waking state. There's no proof that you are not in a dream state right now. The Chinese philosopher, Chuang Tsu (c. 369-268 B.C.) said: 'I once dreamt I was a butterfly. Suddenly I awakened, and there I lay like a man, myself again. Now, which am I? A man dreaming he is a butterfly, or a butterfly dreaming he is man?'
Re: [FairfieldLife] KS of the day: II 22
On Jun 10, 2008, at 6:27 PM, cardemaister wrote: http://titus.uni-frankfurt.de/texte/etcs/ind/aind/klskt/kamasutr/kamas.htm http://tinyurl.com/5c2h2e (In H-K): surataante sukhaM puMsaaM striiNaaM tu satataM sukham Could that mean something like: Men's (puMsaam) pleasure (sukham) at the end (ante) of coitus (surata-), but (tu) women's (striiNaam) pleasure (sukham) all the time (satatam)? Your email is mislabeled. It should read 1:22. Danielou translates it: The seventh part concerning occult media [aupanishadika] comprises two chapters dealing with six subjects: -The means for becoming attractive -How to infatuate -How to increase sexual drive and achieve multiple coition -How to develop the sexual organ -Reviving a failing impulse -Unusual copulation To hear Danielou's commentary, buy his book! After all, he is related to one of Guru Dev's key disciples. It's very interesting to read Danielou's translation, esp. since he was an openly Gay Frenchman, living in a classic old mansion, on the waterfront in Benares (with his gay lover). Not to be missed. File it under: the dark side of Guru Dev, vol. 1.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Kucinich Presents Articles of Impeachment Against Bush
Thanks a million.nbsp; nbsp; The whole cold war was whipped up out of thin air by Reinhart Gehlen and Theodore (Gift from God)nbsp;Shaklee (the real guy bhind Oliver North who was just the fall guy in the Iran Contra affair) andnbsp;Reinhart (Pure Heart ) Gehlen.nbsp; As you may know, the latternbsp;was, as you may know, a Nazi war criminal who was the head of Hitler's spy operation especially in the Eastern block countries.nbsp; In 45, he walzes into the 101stnbsp;Intel division of the U.S. army and says, essentially, I need a job and I'll make you an offer you can't refuse.nbsp; Take me and 100 of my captains off your stupid war criminals list and I'll create the enemy of your dreams.nbsp; I'll throw in several barrels of microfilm on the Soviets that you'll find very useful.nbsp; He came to Fort Hunt (right outside of DC) with his two interpreters, Gift from God Shaklee and a young Henry Kissinger (!) The deal was cut, and he and GG Shaklee went back to Berlin where the first thing they did was to spin Russia into this humungous threat.nbsp;Russia, meanwhile,nbsp;afraid of an Alliednbsp;invasion, was tearing up the railroad lines going into Russia. They were not thinking of threatening us, they were barely surviving, having lost 28 million people.nbsp; nbsp; And, by the way, my source for this story is not some nut-casenbsp;conspiracy theorist like me, but it comes straight from Danny Sheehan, the guy with the stellar and squeeky clean resume as one of America's most high profile lawyers (Pentagon Papers case Karen Silkwook case, Iran Contra Case, etc.) who was in Ff recently campaigning for Edwards.nbsp; I had quite a conversation with him after his talk. --- On Tue, 10/6/08, Bhairitu lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; wrote: From: Bhairitu lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Kucinich Presents Articles of Impeachment Against Bush To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, 10 June, 2008, 2:57 PM You can find the text of the Impeachment Articles here: http://kucinich. house.gov/ spotlightissues/ documents. htm I was just responding to a thread started by some supposed soldier on another forum who was accusing members of that forum for destroying the country. I commented back that as a boomer growing up in the 50's I was raised hearing about fascism, Nazism and hence totalitarianism (the Russian version was the foe of the time) and how bad they were. Now we see it here in this country and this supposed young soldier who wasn't raised that way doesn't get it. He doesn't understand these freedoms were fought for over the last two centuries. We should not just throw them away for profits of a few filthy rich. Regarding Russia, when I was in the 2nd or 3rd grade the country superintendent of schools went on an educator's tour of the Soviet Union. When he returned he showed slides and told us about what he saw and more or less implied that the Soviet Union was not quite the threat that our government's propaganda was suggesting. That was confirmed later on especially if you read or saw the interviews with Krushev's son who said at the time of the Cuban Missle Crisis the USSR was already falling apart and in economic trouble. Angela Mailander wrote: gt; Thanks for watching for three hours, Bhairitu.amp;nbsp; I couldn't get to it.amp;nbsp; Let me know, please, where I could read the thing since I still don't have time to search.amp;nbsp; Still unpacking and finding stuff while having to get another art show ready in less than a month's time and also trying to get connected to the local health care system while pressing medical issues are slowing me down.amp;nbsp; gt; amp;nbsp; gt; Your analysis in the previous email seems right on to me.amp;nbsp; But there is a problem with our sheeple that you haven't mentioned.amp;nbsp; In Europe and in Asia people tend to think that Americans believe that they've dealt with a problem once they've talked about it a lot, even though they haven't actually done anything.amp;nbsp; The folks who think in terms of Spiral Dynamics think this is true only of the mean green meme, but I think it's true of us generally regardless of meme. a gt; amp;nbsp; gt; amp;nbsp; gt; --- On Tue, 10/6/08, Bhairitu amp;lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED] netamp;gt; wrote: gt; gt; From: Bhairitu amp;lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED] netamp;gt; gt; Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Kucinich Presents Articles of Impeachment Against Bush gt; To: FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com gt; Date: Tuesday, 10 June, 2008, 2:02 PM gt; gt; gt; gt; gt; gt; gt; Richard J. Williams wrote: gt; amp;gt;amp;gt;amp;gt; amp;gt; Kucinich Presents Articles of Impeachment gt; amp;gt;amp;gt;amp;gt; amp;gt; Against Bush gt; amp;gt;amp;gt;amp;gt; amp;gt; gt; amp;gt;amp;gt;amp;gt; amp;gt; gt; amp;gt; Richard J. Williams wrote: gt; amp;gt; gt; amp;gt;amp;gt;amp;gt; So, exactly, on what grounds would the U.S. gt; amp;gt;amp;gt;amp;gt; Congress be impeaching the president? gt;
[FairfieldLife] Fwd: Wexler Co-Sponsors First Bush Articles of Impeachment
--- On Tue, 10/6/08, Ruth Rendely lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; wrote: From: Ruth Rendely lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; Subject: Fwd: Wexler Co-Sponsors First Bush Articles of Impeachment To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, 10 June, 2008, 5:42 PM Hi, nbsp;nbsp; Even though it's very late in the game to impeach these guys, maybe, just maybe it will prevent them from canceling the election in November. nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; Ruth -- Forwarded message -- From: Congressman Robert Wexler lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; Date: Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 6:21 AM Subject: Wexler Co-Sponsors First Bush Articles of Impeachment To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Ruth, Our effort to hold the Bush/Cheney Administration accountable has taken another dramatic step forward. Last night, Congressman Dennis Kucinich introduced the first Articles of Impeachment ever to be introduced against President Bush.nbsp; It includes, in total, thirty-five Articles detailing this Administration's blatant abuse of power. Today, I enthusiastically co-sponsored this vitally important bill. I am grateful for Dennis' leadership on this issue and for the steadfast support that countless Americans have given to both of our efforts to redeem our government and expose the crimes of Bush and Cheney.nbsp; I will now expand my efforts to secure impeachment hearings in the Judiciary Committee for these new Articles of Impeachment against President George W. Bush. Many of the charges against President Bush are well known – and would shock the conscience of everyday Americans if only the national media would be willing to report on these stark facts. The Articles present a stunning narrative of offenses that have go well beyond previous crimes committed by any US chief executive.nbsp; In fact no President or Vice President in history has done more to undermine our constitution.nbsp; These charges are broad, with 35 separate allegations including the deliberate lies regarding WMDs that led us to war and the approval of illegal wiretapping of American citizens.nbsp; The Articles also include new allegations of high crimes – including the explicit approval for high Administration officials to violate treaties and US law banning the use of torture. The Democratic Party gained a majority in the House and Senate due in large part to our promises to end the corruption of the Republican majority and to hold the Administration accountable to the law. This courageous bill is a crucial step towards fulfilling this promise, but – like the Articles against Cheney – they require your support to convince Democrats and open-minded Republicans to support this bold but necessary action. Time is running out so we must work together to spread the message and apply pressure. First, please encourage your friends and family members to sign up at WexlerWantsHearings.com – as it will allow us to keep in touch with you and speak to a wider audience.nbsp; If you haven't yet put in your phone and address, please sign up again, as we will be doing telephone town halls in the near future. Second, call your representative and urge them to support Impeachment hearings.nbsp; Finally, contact newspapers, news stations, and your favorite bloggers and urge them to report on this movement.nbsp; We need to keep Impeachment a significant news story until the Democratic leadership sees the value in it. McClellan Agrees to Testify: I was pleased to inform you yesterday that Judiciary Committee Chairman Conyers met my call to have Former White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan testify under oath.nbsp; I am thrilled to inform you that McClellan has agreed to testify on June 20th at 10AM.nbsp; This will be the first step in what we hope will be ongoing and deepening examinations of the stark evidence and charges against both President Bush and Vice President Cheney. Thank you for your continued passion and advocacy.nbsp; Your support means so much to me. Sincerely, Congressman Robert Wexler DONATE Paid for by Wexler for Congress PO Box 810669 Boca Raton,nbsp;FLnbsp;33481 To unsubscribe from this mailing list, click here Powered by NGP Software, Inc. -- Ruth Rendely Author of Seraphim Blueprint available at www.amazon.com 1(800) 736-3351 (America) +612 4759 3213 (international) www.seraphimblueprint.com www.ruthstar.com http://youtube.com/watch?v=8uXNYkzT7so http://thesourcewithin.blogspot.com Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kucinich Presents Articles of Impeachment Against Bush
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, amarnath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Regarding Russia, when I was in the 2nd or 3rd grade the country superintendent of schools went on an educator's tour of the Soviet Union. When he returned he showed slides and told us about what he saw and more or less implied that the Soviet Union was not quite the threat that our government's propaganda was suggesting. That was confirmed later on especially if you read or saw the interviews with Krushev's son who said at the time of the Cuban Missle Crisis the USSR was already falling apart and in economic trouble. USSR was already falling apart and in economic trouble. this is a very important point USSR crumbled because they were spending way too much on military weapons and misguided military ventures around the world now, the USA is doing the same thing it shouldn't take a genius to see this ? Slight difference. The USSR was a communist based centrally-planned economy which was doomed to fail for that reason alone. During the cold war, they were forced to spend more and more for military spending because Reagan initiated programs such as Star Wars which would have meant that they had to spend even more. The USA is a market-based economy and, as such, is in a much more stable position than what was essentially a false economy under communisim that the USSR experienced. This is not to say the USA isn't doing some pretty stupid things economically, such as high deficits and overspending (currently the budget is over $3 trillion).
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kucinich Presents Articles of Impeachment Against Bush
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After Reagan took office and especially in the 1990's we had the rise of a type of business person with no ethics. Not that we didn't have them all along but this was a massive rise. If it made money it was good. I saw a lot of that in the tech industry. It was as if a bunch of drug dealers got out of drugs and into tech (in fact that actually happened). Bush is emblematic of that kind of businessperson. He is the typical careless CEO that we saw many of during the 1990s. How silly. If Bush was emblematic of the kind of greed you claim, he would not be a president that presided over a country that has the second highest corporate tax rate in the industrialized world. Rather, he would have drastically cut or eliminated corporate tax. But there is also the karma of the American people or sheeple who flawed reasoning allowed this to go on. If this had been about any other country in the world the citizens would be in the streets. When I stand in line as I did yesterday at the bank and heard someone who commutes a good 60 miles to work talk about the high gas prices and shrug like there is nothing they can do about it. That is exactly the attitude I get when I ask people about the gas prices. We could take to the streets, they could walk off their jobs but they are afraid of losing the latter. We could probably arrange a night time protest but then they'd miss American Idol or their baseball game on TV. So if there is an economic collapse and people are hurt it is partly their fault for not speaking up sooner. What would you be protesting against and against whom? The 1.2 billion people of China who, through their increased prosperity, are buying more cars, pushing the demand for gasoline up and therefore pushing up the price? Or perhaps against the billion people of India who, like the Chinese, are experiencing increased prosperity? How about protesting against Al Gore and all the Greenies who have prevented us from drilling for more oil domestically in many places...and have also prevented new refineries from being built? Or do you want to protest against the oil companies...the people that are actually bringing us the oil (and rather efficiently, I might add). Or maybe the government? Who exactly do you want to protest against? How silly. The best thing that's happened to America in the past year is the increased price of gas. We've been talking about alternative means of energy for the past 35 years, ever since the so-called oil crisis of the 1970s, and not much was done...despite the fact that we could be using about 1/10th of our oil use today had we implemented just a little of the incredible technologies out there. Now, necessity will be the mother of invention...and we'll all be the better for it. Bring on the $7.00 a gallon gas! And there is of course also the karma for the mainstream media who supported Bush's policies or kissed his ass. Those should all be shut down or broken up into small regional powerless companies. Only fascists or totalitarians talk like that. Don't you believe in a free press? But to an extent this has to be done globally just as in another problem area we need to force billionaires to give up their wealth, let them retain a few million, but as we see a few mainly greedy people controlling the world's resources is a bad idea. Yes, let's take the wealth from the people who have been responsible for creating the businesses that have fed, clothed, and made better the lives of billions of people. Let's instead give the money to government 'cause, gee, governments have such a GOOD record in bettering the lives of people. What planet are you on?? In short we need a global revolution. Erase the blackboard and start all over again or face a very dark 21st century that will make the scenes of the future in The Terminator look like a Sunday picnic. Think outside the mob!!! You ARE the mob. amarnath wrote: the thing is people don't want to face the truth that our government and military and warmongering contractors, and all those making money off war are killing and torturing people, making money, deceiving everyone including themselves and ruining America some believe it was Ronald Reagan's tough talk, etc that brought soviet union down it had almost nothing to do with it Soviet Union's economy was alway weak and overextended due to production of military arms, space technology, and military ventures; that's what brought it down; they could not sustain all their foolish ventures while the people starved and now America is foolishly following in SU's footsteps; in a sense America can do much more damage not only to themselves but to the whole world because we started with the strongest
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Kucinich Presents Articles of Impeachment Against Bush
shempmcgurk wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, amarnath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: this is a very important point USSR crumbled because they were spending way too much on military weapons and misguided military ventures around the world now, the USA is doing the same thing it shouldn't take a genius to see this ? Slight difference. Not at all. Don't you understand the concept of collectivism? See more below. The USSR was a communist based centrally-planned economy which was doomed to fail for that reason alone. During the cold war, they were forced to spend more and more for military spending because Reagan initiated programs such as Star Wars which would have meant that they had to spend even more. The USSR was state run collectivism. Don't give ol' Ronnie any credit for doing this. I'm 61 so when that superintendent of schools went to the USSR when I was in the 3rd grade that was the 1950's and things as Angela mentioned were falling apart then. Krushev's son was talking about the early 1960s (you know like when the Cuban missile crisis took place). The USA is a market-based economy and, as such, is in a much more stable position than what was essentially a false economy under communisim that the USSR experienced. The US is becoming a corporate collectivist state. We call that fascism. It will fail too but it may have its day which will the bane of American's existence, even your's. Hopefully it will be short lived or maybe even avoided. I sometimes think that the folks engineering this have made a great error of judgment even with millions spent on think tanks and computer models and the average American business person won't go along with their plan as they expected. There's where it will begin to break down. This is not to say the USA isn't doing some pretty stupid things economically, such as high deficits and overspending (currently the budget is over $3 trillion). And maybe on purpose even?
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Jim and Barry are on their way out but even Richard and Shemp the runner's up have more than 20 posts to go. Correction on LAT, it stands for Local Apparent Time though it may have also been known in some areas as Local Accurate Time. Apparent references the astronomical position, in this case the Sun. Yahoo Groups Post Counter = Start Date (UTC): Sat Jun 7 00:00:00 2008 End Date (UTC): Sat Jun 14 00:00:00 2008 -- Searching... 491 messages as of (UTC) Wed Jun 11 00:14:45 2008 Member Posts authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 51 sandiego108 [EMAIL PROTECTED]49 TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]48 Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] 28 shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 27 Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 25 curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] 25 Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED]23 ruthsimplicity [EMAIL PROTECTED]21 Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] 20 do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] 18 Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]14 yifuxero [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10 Louis McKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED]9 Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9 Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9 sgrayatlarge [EMAIL PROTECTED] 8 off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] 8 satvadude108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 8 Hugo [EMAIL PROTECTED]7 bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6 Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED]6 Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] 5 cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] 5 gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4 boo_lives [EMAIL PROTECTED]4 mainstream20016 [EMAIL PROTECTED]4 feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED]4 amarnath [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4 mrfishey2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4 John [EMAIL PROTECTED]4 R.G. [EMAIL PROTECTED]3 tertonzeno [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3 Marcelo [EMAIL PROTECTED]3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3 sriswamijisadhaka [EMAIL PROTECTED]2 Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED]1 benjaminccollins [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1 Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1 vlodrop108 [EMAIL PROTECTED]1 vedoham [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1 Jeffrey N Cook [EMAIL PROTECTED]1 paul mccarthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1 michael [EMAIL PROTECTED]1 nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1 george_deforest [EMAIL PROTECTED]1 posters: 46 Saturday Morning 00:00 UTC Rollover Times = Daylight Saving Time (Summer): US Friday evening: PDT 5 PM - MDT 6 PM - CDT 7 PM - EDT 8 PM Europe Saturday: BST 1 AM CEST 2 AM EEST 3 AM Standard Time (Winter): US Friday evening: PST 4 PM - MST 5 PM - CST 6 PM - EST 7 PM Europe Saturday: GMT 12 AM CET 1 AM EET 2 AM For more information on Time Zones: www.worldtimezone.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Young Obama pictures
Hey Vaj thanks for posting these photos I just found out looking at these that Barack Obama and I were at Columbia at the same time. I may have sat in on a few of his Poli Sci classes small world Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The man who captured the hearts and minds of America: Pictures of a Young Obama! http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/070323obama-early-photogallery,0,5576750.photogallery
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Kucinich Presents Articles of Impeachment Against Bush
shempmcgurk wrote: . Bush is emblematic of that kind of businessperson. He is the typical careless CEO that we saw many of during the 1990s. How silly. If Bush was emblematic of the kind of greed you claim, he would not be a president that presided over a country that has the second highest corporate tax rate in the industrialized world. Rather, he would have drastically cut or eliminated corporate tax. Not if he was a lousy CEO. Only a good one might have tried to pull that off but I would have to research that tax rate thing because you've often been wrong. Citation? (Since you often ask for them). Remember I said he was like a careless or lousy CEO. The last 20 years of US business history is strewn with such clowns who've taken down whole companies that were even at one time very successful. Enron for one. What would you be protesting against and against whom? The system and politicians that are screwing them over. Wake up Magoo. Bring on the $7.00 a gallon gas! You work at home don't you? And there is of course also the karma for the mainstream media who supported Bush's policies or kissed his ass. Those should all be shut down or broken up into small regional powerless companies. Only fascists or totalitarians talk like that. Actually before the Civil War corporations didn't have person hood. They could only exist for 40 years and then had to dissolve. We need to return to that. Be sure to reference my commentary on corporate collectivism. Or are you a closet communist? Don't you believe in a free press? Ask some of the reporters who came out of the closet after McClellan's book came out if we have a free press or not? Ask Phil Donahue who had the top rated show on MSNBC but the execs still canceled him because NBC is own by one of the largest if not the largest military industrial complex: General Electric. I need to check to see if GE is just a new name for the British East India Company since I understand the Windsors are principal stockholders. I guess they want to bring good things to light. I guess only things they think are good (actually they play both sides). Yes, let's take the wealth from the people who have been responsible for creating the businesses that have fed, clothed, and made better the lives of billions of people. Was and could have been done by many thousands more of less wealthy or smaller business people. Remember when a company acquires another company it lays off people in duplicate positions so jobs are lost. So if you split up big companies more jobs will be created as those positions will need to be filled again. Let's instead give the money to government 'cause, gee, governments have such a GOOD record in bettering the lives of people. A progressive tax does not wind up giving money to the government. It's a disincentive to accumulating that much wealth. Why work that hard if you've got plenty of money already. The only people that do that are probably mentally ill or have some form of DSM with regards to their wealth. What planet are you on?? Obviously not Mars where you seem to be. How did you get there? :D Think outside the mob!!! You ARE the mob. You don't at all get what I mean when I say that.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Byron Katie's Awakening
tertonzeno wrote: Are you taking the Neo-Advaitin position that... Not a 'Neo-Adwaita' position, but the original Adwaita position. Gaudapada is the founder of Adwaita in India. He was the teacher of Govindapada, the teacher of the Adi Shankara, who established the Dasanami Sampraqdaya, which is headquartered at Sringeri Matha. 'Ajativada' or the doctrine of no-origination, is the fundamental doctrine of Gaudapaada. From the absolute standpoint, origination is an illusion. Source: Gaudapada: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaudapada Titles of interest: 'Dispelling Illusion' Gaudapada's Alatasanti by Douglas A. Fox State University of New York Press, 1993 (since everything is a dream), then I don't know and I don't care; or the Buddhist position that you/we are responsible for helping others - in fact, everybody in the entire universe. The doctrine of non-origination, Ajativada, is the basic realization in the Adwaita tradition. This means that nothing was ever created - you cannot create something out of nothing. Things do not move about - motion is an immpossibility. All these notions are like seeing the horns of a hare. ---OK, we're in a dream; but an important point (IMO), is how important or signifant are the dream people to you in the context of non-duality. Practically speaking, that may not be feasible right now; but just follow Dalai Lama's words of wisdom - try to extend compassion to everybody. This may include various physical means to eradicate suffering. But being a Neo-Advaitin, I take it that you consider the dream-people to be virtually non-existent people and about as important as those Second Life Avatars (of no importance). According to Gaudapada's Adwaita, liberation from suffering consists of experiencing the transcendental consciousness - the pure consciousness experienced during transcendental meditation. The goal of all Adwaitans is to dispel the illusion that they are an individual soul-monad. A meditation that is transcendental provides the *ideal* opportunity for the transcending. See also: According to the Madhyamikas, all phenomena are empty of 'self nature' or 'essence', meaning that they have no intrinsic, independent reality apart from the causes and conditions from which they arise. Madhyamaka: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madhyamaka [snip]
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kucinich Presents Articles of Impeachment Against Bush
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: shempmcgurk wrote: . Bush is emblematic of that kind of businessperson. He is the typical careless CEO that we saw many of during the 1990s. How silly. If Bush was emblematic of the kind of greed you claim, he would not be a president that presided over a country that has the second highest corporate tax rate in the industrialized world. Rather, he would have drastically cut or eliminated corporate tax. Not if he was a lousy CEO. Only a good one might have tried to pull that off but I would have to research that tax rate thing because you've often been wrong. Citation? (Since you often ask for them). He's probably getting his tax info from the Tax Foundation or some other right wing poropaganda outfit that is very misleading. They take only the highest statutory rate, not the effective average rate that is actually paid by corporations after you take into account all the various loopholes available to US corporations. Any comparison that only looks at the theoretical highest statutory rate on the books and not actual taxes paid is worthless. I wouldn't say US corporate tax rates are too low, the problem as I see it is corporate control of US policies stifling innovation in most anything important, like energy, health care, infrasruture
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tell Congress: Impeach George W. Bush
Apparently all the statements made by Bush were generally substantiated by intelligence community estimates, as outlined in 'Senate Intelligence Committee Report on Prewar Iraq'. Senate Intelligence Committee Report on Prewar Iraq Intelligence: http://tinyurl.com/5waadu This is the J. Rockefeller indictment!!! On Iraq's nuclear weapons program? The president's statements 'were generally substantiated by intelligence community estimates.' On biological weapons, production capability and those infamous mobile laboratories? The president's statements 'were substantiated by intelligence information.' On chemical weapons, then? 'Substantiated by intelligence information.' On weapons of mass destruction overall (a separate section of the intelligence committee report)? 'Generally substantiated by intelligence information.' Delivery vehicles such as ballistic missiles? 'Generally substantiated by available intelligence.' Unmanned aerial vehicles that could be used to deliver WMDs? 'Generally substantiated by intelligence information.' As you read through the report, you begin to think maybe you've mistakenly picked up the minority dissent. But, no, this is the Rockefeller indictment. So, you think, the smoking gun must appear in the section on Bush's claims about Saddam Hussein's alleged ties to terrorism. But statements regarding Iraq's support for terrorist groups other than al-Qaeda 'were substantiated by intelligence information.' Read more: 'Bush Lied'? If Only It Were That Simple.' By Fred Hiatt Washington Post, Monday, June 9, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/6oz5xv
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kucinich Presents Articles of Impeachment Against Bush
If you have not seen it, watch the movie Why We Fight by Eugene Jarecki. Available on DVD. Winner Grand Jury Prize Sundance Film Festival 2005. Stars Dwight D Eisenhower. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, amarnath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the thing is people don't want to face the truth that our government and military and warmongering contractors, and all those making money off war are killing and torturing people, making money, deceiving everyone including themselves and ruining America some believe it was Ronald Reagan's tough talk, etc that brought soviet union down it had almost nothing to do with it Soviet Union's economy was alway weak and overextended due to production of military arms, space technology, and military ventures; that's what brought it down; they could not sustain all their foolish ventures while the people starved and now America is foolishly following in SU's footsteps; in a sense America can do much more damage not only to themselves but to the whole world because we started with the strongest economy in the world but that seems to be changing quickly karma is catching up ! the thing is, all of us are complicit in this and what is badly needed is a lot of courageous people to face the truth and to speak up we desperately need people like Gandhi, ML King, and Peace Pilgrim, Kucinich and others with the courage to speak the truth god bless, anatol --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: May Bush's karma catch up with him sooner rather than later. feste37 wrote: I've been watching it. I found it inspiring and moving that Kucinich at least, if few others, has had the guts to stand up to the war criminals and call for the removal of the chief perpetrator. It's long overdue. Of course, it won't happen but it is great to watch Kucinich call for it from the floor of the House. More power to him. Unfortunately, it appears from everything I read that an attack on Iran will come before Bush leaves office -- one parting gift this reckless fool will leave us with. The Bush crazies probably think of it as a twofer -- attack Iran and get McCain elected at the same time. But apparently John Conyers, who is head of something-or-other in Congress, has warned Bush that if he attacks Iran, Conyers will begin impeachment proceedings against him. I wonder if it could backfire on Bush this time and he won't get away with it. But once those bombs start falling on Iran there will be hell to pay -- for all of us, far into the future. It is a very worrying prospect. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Finally!!! On CSPAN now. Stream here: http://c-span.org/watch/cs_cspan_wm.asp?Cat=TVCode=CS http://c-span.org/watch/cs_cspan_wm.asp?Cat=TVCode=CS
[FairfieldLife] Ron Paul's most important speech on My Birthday !
Ron Paul's most important speech of the campaign is on My Birthday ! ! ! Ya'll know what that means don't ya? HE IS GOING TO FUK'N ROCK ! http://tinyurl.com/3j4thc http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080610/ap_on_el_pr/ron_paul_convention OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Enlightenment, Alzhiemers and Stoned Memory Loss -- was Byron Katie's
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: So, for example, if I go outside and it is cold, my body gets cold and I come inside and say, its cold outside. Then my body warms up because it is warmer inside and then I don't know any longer whether it is cold outside. Why must I hold onto the belief that it is cold outside, when in fact I don't really know one way of the other? Your description reminds me of Tom Hank's character on SNL: Jingle: Mr. Short-Term Memory. He shouldn't have stood under that pear tree. Now there's just no remedy. He'll frustrate you so But he'll never know. Because he's Mr. Short-Term Memory. funny-- except the guy sounds retarded- no skill in action. Otherwise, spot on. Interesting. I think MMY's starting a new project everyday -- irrespective of all of the unfinished 500-1000 projects of the prior 500-1000 days, may be that he simply forgot what he started yesterday. Or it was faint. Too faint to be bothered with. Particularly when the current idea, right now, is so bright and fabulous. The classic short memory loss is Alzheimers. I watched my mom's progression -- from typical senior moments of lapsed ST memory -- to the end state of nothingness. All the while maintaining long term memories (except the last few months when the whole brain function apparently collapsed.) Having seen it up close, I don't fully buy into Alzhiemers being as horrible as many, and the popular press, cast it. Its NOT a great thing in many ways, but it has its own style and joy. I watched her lose layers of outer shells and revealed more of the real authentic person inside the shells -- very sweet, insightful and caring. Just not concerned about what happened a minute ago. Or yesterday. It was if I got to meet her in her earlier years -- as a young adult, as a teenager, as a child. She functioned pretty well in many things -- an had skill in action in a number of ways. However, the memory loss was progressive, so the style and skill changed to adapt over time. As things progressed, the balance changed changed. The balance of 'maintaining, functioning, and being liberated from the chains of the (nearer term ) past. Lots of things dropped away -- near term things no longer clutching on to her, no longer shaping or binding her. At times, as things progressed, her description of things became primitive in the real, down to earth, full-spectrum nowness of the term. Sitting in the back yard, a favorite past time, she would look at the sky , clouds and sunset and say things like Big Bloom or something -- usually a bit more detailed -- but very simple, basic, without the filters of current conventions and conditioning. And she was aware, at least for a while, that she was losing her short term grasp. Or being liberated from it. She would joke, The great thing about losing your memory is you can watch the same terrific movie each night, and its just like it was brand new. She laughed and laughed about that. Everything was brand new. No pre-conceptions. No filters. to short-term conditioning. Living in the moment. And the Nearer Term progressed from a hour ago, a day ago, a month ago, 10 years ago, 50 years ago. Thus, some day-to-day functional abilities were lost traded for a ever expanding type of freedom an Nowness. Which occurred to me when I read Jim's comment -- that the ST memory of Hanks was spot on, but he didn't or couldn't maintain or be sufficiently skillfulness to integrate figuring out each new moment -- with functioning in the world. And that this balance may change and progress also. More NOW over time, and less ability to maintain. Or caring about such. Bringing to mind stories of saints who have lost it. I have thought of progressive memory loss as a natural and reasonable way to wind down ones current life -- getting progressively detached over time -- before dropping the dross and moving on to a new life -- beyond the limits, conditioning and boundaries of this one. Another form of ST memory loss is, as ironically, I recall, from ganga -- Shiva's secret ingredient. And reading accounts of others in more recent years. Its a different focus and skill set. As if the near past is over rated. What is way more important is what is happening right now -- not five minutes ago. And not being conditioned by the near-past. Thus the affinity with artists and musicians amongst other creative types. The boundaries and prison of the past gone, or diminished. But can you maintain -- function in the world while in the moment -- was a frequent query if not retort current in those those days. So enlightenment, Alzheimers and being experienced -- all have siimilar characteristics of ST memory (or conditioning) loss / liberation. And the challenge of maintaining.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Byron Katie's Awakening
-The One doesn't eradicate the many, which is contained within and as It. But the real question is how much significance one gives to things relative. Neo-Advaitins don't even recognize the existence of relative things; so I would assume that if a thief is threatening to enter a neighbor's house, no point in calling the police since the people aren't real. In any event, all such Neo-Advaita-speak statements come from one place: MIND. Besides, Byron Katie isn't Enlightened; though she may be Awakened (a term used especially in the tradition of HWL Poonja, a disciple of Ramana Maharshi). So what this Awakening is awake to, I believe it's some type of non-dual realization of Presence but far short of Enlightenment. If some of the Awakened people would give a brief description of the signs I've been sqawking about recently (subtle Light and Sound); in terms of the progression from CC to GC to UC; I would at least welcome and listen to what they have to say. But, nothing - I how can we even evaluate such claims of E when the little they say doesn't even match the criteria given by MMY. -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yifuxero wrote: --The flaw in your pseudo-Advaita reasoning is that AFTER one resides in non-duality;...you say there's nothing left. Incorrect. This is not 'pseudo-Advaita', it's the real thing: There is only One - there are not two. Everything but the One is an illusion. The One is the only Reality. The One can only be experienced in transcendental conciousness. There is no creation, no dissolution; no coming forth, no coming to be; nothing moves here or there; there is no change. Source: S. Vidyasankar: http://www.advaita-vedanta.org/avhp/ad_faq.html Ajativada or the doctrine of no-origination, is the fundamental doctrine of Gaudapaada. From the absolute standpoint origination is an impossibility. Gaudapada: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaudapada Titles of interest: 'Dispelling Illusion' Gaudapada's Alatasanti by Douglas A. Fox State University of New York Press, 1993
[FairfieldLife] Impeachment is a constitutional duty !
Message from Ramsey Clark Posted by m j http://www.impeachspace.com/xn/detail/u_darkknight13us on June 10, 2008 at 7:47pm Previous Post http://www.impeachspace.com/profiles/blog/show?id=595326%3ABlogPost%3A6\ 9767 View Blog Posts http://www.impeachspace.com/profiles/blog/list?user=darkknight13us Impeachment is not a political question. Impeachment is a constitutional duty. It is the one power and highest duty the Constitution rests in the Congress to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States when the President, Vice President, and other civil officers of the United States commit treason, bribery, or other High Crimes and Misdemeanors. George Bush has deliberately, falsely and systematically mislead the Congress and the American people concerning the most criminal, costly and harmful acts of his administration, leading us to war, tragic loss of human life, the devastation of Iraq, military expenses reaching trillions of dollars, disruption of the economy that will take decades to overcome, a contemptuous assault on the Bill of Rights, an international humanitarian disaster, deliberate antagonism and provocation of nations and people, most once friendly, and an enlarging assault on the earth's environment. On June 5, 2008, a long delayed five year U.S. Senate Select Committee on Intelligence study and 170-page report unanimously found President Bush, Vice President Cheney and other top officers had made false charges and systematically presented a more dire picture about Iraq than justified by intelligence provided only to them. The Committee included both Democrats and Republicans. Today President Bush is exerting all his power and influence to repeatedly urge Europe, Israel and others to support an attack on Iran which he intends to commence in the remaining months of the presidency. Iran is larger than Iraq and Afghanistan, has millions of people, richer by a multiple, unimpaired by recent war and will fight fiercely if attacked. He is negotiating a permanent U.S. military presence in Iraq placing the U.S. on Iran's border. The next several Presidents of the United States will spend their time in office miserably fighting wars started by Bush, as our economy is consumed in military spending. Impeachment, a Constitutional duty, is the only way to prevent George W. Bush and his cabal from vastly enlarging the disastrous wars he has already inflicted on the world and the American people. The House of Representatives must quickly consider Bills of Impeachment long overdue, and the Senate must prepare to sit in judgment of President Bush, Vice President Cheney other officers who are implicated. Ramsey Clark June 10, 2008
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interpersonal Neurobiology (IPNB)
Interesting - someone just loaned me Siegel's latest book (I think called The Mindful Brain). I hear he is a wonderful speaker, but I am having trouble getting into the book - seems convoluted and very intellectualized, at least to someone like me who is not all that familiar with some of his terminology. Still, I feel I know enough that the book should flow more. It reads just like the segment you copied below. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mindfulness goes non-sectarian and humanist. http://www.drdansiegel.com/page/clinicians/ Interpersonal Neurobiology (IPNB) is a way of understanding human development and well-being. This approach focuses on the importance of relationships in shaping the brain so that the mind develops resilience. IPNB is not a form of therapy, but it does inform the way therapists of all persuasions can understand the important processes of healing and transformation. As described in the Spotlight on Science, the central view of this approach is that a triangle of human experience can be described with three irreducible points: relationships, mind, and brain. What these three elements share in common is energy and information flow. Relationships are how energy and information are shared between and among people. The mind is how the flow of energy and information is regulated, creating patterns in how our minds function over time. The brain here is defined as the extended nervous system distributed throughout the whole body that contains a physiological mechanism by which energy and information flow. In IPNB, we offer a working definition of the mind that, in its succinct form, can be stated as follows: The mind regulates the flow of energy and information and creates patterns of this flow across time. IPNB also offers a working definition of a healthy mind. The vast majority of mental health practitioners have not had a single lecture defining the mind or mental health. We have had, naturally, many lectures and seminars defining mental illness and effective forms of therapy that help to alleviate symptoms and suffering. Through an extensive synthesiscalled consilience of many different scientific approaches, IPNB suggests that a process called integration is at the heart of mental well-being. Integration itself is simply defined as the linkage of differentiated parts of a system. When a system is integrated, it is said to move toward maximal complexity. This is not the same as life becoming more complicated! There is a simple elegance to complex systems, which reveals that when they are integrated they have a flow described by the acronym FACES: flexible, adaptive, coherent, energized, and stable. And so in the various educational opportunities that follow, you will be able to immerse yourself in detailed explorations of the human mind, healthy relationships, and how psychotherapy can promote positive changes in brain growth that facilitate integration. Though IPNB is not a specific way of doing therapy, it does offer a framework that highlights the importance of integration and the ways in which we can promote well-being in our lives. At the heart of this approach are various domains of integration that cultivate the development of well-being. These domains are explored in many of the available educational programs and can be applied in a wide array of clinical settings. One can postulate that for any form of psychotherapy to be effective there must be long lasting changes in the synaptic connections in the brain. For this reason, an IPNB approach to therapy harnesses the knowledge of the study of neural plasticity so that therapists can effectively understand the process of brain growth and how the experiences they provide within the therapeutic relationship can promote the growth of integrative fibers in the patient's/client's brain. We call this SNAGing the brain: stimulating neuronal activation and growth. Our mindful presence as therapists can combine with a specific focus of attention in ways that each SNAG the brain toward integration enabling resolution of trauma, healing, and the cultivation of well-being and resilience. Our experience has been that beginning, intermediate, and advanced clinicians have found the material listed below to be very useful. IPNB offers what some have described as a new paradigm for thinking about psychotherapy as well as a novel and powerful approach to applying science in catalyzing therapeutic change. We think IPNB is a fun and useful way of understanding what it means to be human and also offers exciting new and effective windows of opportunity to help others grow. These recordings offer an educational series for clinicians and others interested in personal growth and
[FairfieldLife] Re: Young Obama pictures
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The man who captured the hearts and minds of America: Pictures of a Young Obama! Wow...so there's is a chance that Obama met Laird Hamilton on the beach in Oahu. Obama at about 7 years old, Laird at 3, and Laird ALREADY SURFIN'. http://youtube.com/watch?v=s0Pw7vKtqpo Now THERE's a connecetion worth all endorsements from any of the useless cronies and landlubbers. OffWorld http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/070323obama-early- photogallery,0,5576750.photogallery
[FairfieldLife] Moog Unveils Badass Guitar with Infinite Sustain
http://blog.wired.com/music/2008/06/moog-unveils-ba.html I'm too old school to really get this instrument but perhaps Vaj and others will. With my African gourd banjo I am going in the direction of less and less sustain it seems!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kucinich Presents Articles of Impeachment Against Bush
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: shempmcgurk wrote: . Bush is emblematic of that kind of businessperson. He is the typical careless CEO that we saw many of during the 1990s. How silly. If Bush was emblematic of the kind of greed you claim, he would not be a president that presided over a country that has the second highest corporate tax rate in the industrialized world. Rather, he would have drastically cut or eliminated corporate tax. Not if he was a lousy CEO. Only a good one might have tried to pull that off but I would have to research that tax rate thing because you've often been wrong. Citation? (Since you often ask for them). http://tinyurl.com/295nyb word search: corporate Remember I said he was like a careless or lousy CEO. The last 20 years of US business history is strewn with such clowns who've taken down whole companies that were even at one time very successful. Enron for one. What would you be protesting against and against whom? The system and politicians that are screwing them over. Wake up Magoo. Oooh. That's very specific: the system and politicians. You're quite the intellectual. Bring on the $7.00 a gallon gas! You work at home don't you? Yes, most of my work is at home. But I still put about 15,000 miles on my car each year. Hey, for someone that believes in all that man-made catastrophic global warming bullshit, you should be HAPPY that gas is expensive! And there is of course also the karma for the mainstream media who supported Bush's policies or kissed his ass. Those should all be shut down or broken up into small regional powerless companies. Only fascists or totalitarians talk like that. Actually before the Civil War corporations didn't have person hood. They could only exist for 40 years and then had to dissolve. We need to return to that. Be sure to reference my commentary on corporate collectivism. Or are you a closet communist? Don't you believe in a free press? Ask some of the reporters who came out of the closet after McClellan's book came out if we have a free press or not? Ask Phil Donahue who had the top rated show on MSNBC but the execs still canceled him because NBC is own by one of the largest if not the largest military industrial complex: General Electric. You'll like a high school student who's just read their first Jim Garrison book. If Phil Donahue had such a successful show, he could have brought it from MSNBC to about a half dozen other networks who would have eagerly taken him on. I need to check to see if GE is just a new name for the British East India Company since I understand the Windsors are principal stockholders. I guess they want to bring good things to light. I guess only things they think are good (actually they play both sides). Yes, let's take the wealth from the people who have been responsible for creating the businesses that have fed, clothed, and made better the lives of billions of people. Was and could have been done by many thousands more of less wealthy or smaller business people. ...then, pray tell, why wasn't it? How come the small businesses haven't created the savings and benefits for poor people that Wal-Mart has? You know, in the past few weeks much of the anti-War-Mart crowd have been coming 'round and are now PRAISING Wal-Mart... Remember when a company acquires another company it lays off people in duplicate positions so jobs are lost. So if you split up big companies more jobs will be created as those positions will need to be filled again. Yeah, that is what the Communists did: they tried to create jobs out of thin air for the sake of creating jobs where none were needed. Gee, how did that work out? Bhairitu, you're so eager to apply economic principles that have already proven NOT to work and abandon those that have proven to work. The sad thing is that it would be poor people who would suffer as a result of the policies that you would implement. You're like that prick Al Gore whose policies are now killing poor people the world over who can't afford basic food staples because of the rising prices of commodities like corn. And, like Al Gore, you don't and won't lose a second of sleep over it. Let's instead give the money to government 'cause, gee, governments have such a GOOD record in bettering the lives of people. A progressive tax does not wind up giving money to the government. It's a disincentive to accumulating that much wealth. Why work that hard if you've got plenty of money already. Uh, no, it works the OTHER way, Bub: why work hard if the government is going to take most of it... The only people that do that are probably mentally
[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment, Alzhiemers and Stoned Memory Loss -- was Byron Katie's
New, thanks for writing this (below). My former mother-in-law has been progressing in her Altzheimer's dementia for several years now and from what I've observed over that time at infrequent intervals also strikes me as not a bad fade out from the world. She isn't uncomfortable except when confronted with radically unfamiliar situations and has a pleasant bemusement with whatever's going on. The recent posts from Jim and Ruth and Curtis within this thread have been particularly interesting for me. I'd appreciate your take on the disassociative state that has been discussed; I can't quite figure out what that is exactly or what that terms means to people. For some time now, but I couldn't say when it started because it's obviously always been, consciousness, or presence is always present. It's not what I understood witnessing to be but it fits the description mostly. It's not like lucid dreaming or anything but there's never a time when I'm not. Similarly, it's not characterized by unboundedness in the sense of vastness or infinity that Jim and Byron Katie speak of, but at the same time there's no sense that it's necessarily specifically locate-able or merely confined to the body. It's relationship to the body is that the body draws attention to it, like pinching a piece of fabric into a little bump or hummock -- now it stands out -- it's noticed, but it's just a bump in the fabric, just a bump on the horizon of attention. At the same time, it's impossible not to know it and impossible that it hasn't always been or that I haven't always been aware of it. I'm not sure if that presence or attention, that seems to be both at the base of me and at the same time not really identified with me is the disassociative state that both Ruth and Curtis relate that they find unpleasant and/or undesirable and is the same state that both Jim and Byron Katie describe in such magnificent terms as overwhelming infinite bliss. It does seem like the me of me, and if I let attention rest on it then it's very pleasant, and not unlike ganj. It has the sense of being before me and it has the sense of not being extinguishable, though I've got no way to test that feeling (at least not right now). Angela said that it feels to her that it could be permanent and survive death, and that feels right to me, too. It even feels right to call it death because it seems to be what is there that will experience the death of the body and maybe that's what this Altzheimer's stuff reminded me of. What is there when everything else is gone? I don't want to appeal to, or rely on, any enlightented authority for explanation because (I feel) it's important to figure this out from a personal perspective rather than from some received, traditional wisdom. It still is important to me to be a good man in the world and I feel that I've been more successful in that endeavor the last several years and directly as a consequence of this internal perspective. There are many people here on this forum whom I look to for insight and perspective, you being one. I'd appreciate any comment you would care to make regarding this. And that goes, of course, for anyone else who may read this and have some comments. Thanks, Marek ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 sandiego108@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: So, for example, if I go outside and it is cold, my body gets cold and I come inside and say, its cold outside. Then my body warms up because it is warmer inside and then I don't know any longer whether it is cold outside. Why must I hold onto the belief that it is cold outside, when in fact I don't really know one way of the other? Your description reminds me of Tom Hank's character on SNL: Jingle: Mr. Short-Term Memory. He shouldn't have stood under that pear tree. Now there's just no remedy. He'll frustrate you so But he'll never know. Because he's Mr. Short-Term Memory. funny-- except the guy sounds retarded- no skill in action. Otherwise, spot on. Interesting. I think MMY's starting a new project everyday -- irrespective of all of the unfinished 500-1000 projects of the prior 500-1000 days, may be that he simply forgot what he started yesterday. Or it was faint. Too faint to be bothered with. Particularly when the current idea, right now, is so bright and fabulous. The classic short memory loss is Alzheimers. I watched my mom's progression -- from typical senior moments of lapsed ST memory -- to the end state of nothingness. All the while maintaining long term memories (except the last few months when the whole brain function apparently collapsed.) Having seen it up close, I don't fully buy into Alzhiemers being as horrible
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kucinich Presents Articles of Impeachment Against Bush
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: shempmcgurk wrote: . Bush is emblematic of that kind of businessperson. He is the typical careless CEO that we saw many of during the 1990s. How silly. If Bush was emblematic of the kind of greed you claim, he would not be a president that presided over a country that has the second highest corporate tax rate in the industrialized world. Rather, he would have drastically cut or eliminated corporate tax. Not if he was a lousy CEO. Only a good one might have tried to pull that off but I would have to research that tax rate thing because you've often been wrong. Citation? (Since you often ask for them). He's probably getting his tax info from the Tax Foundation or some other right wing poropaganda outfit that is very misleading. Instead of speculating, why don't you give us evidence of what you are claiming? You'll see in my previous post that I have answered Bhairitu's request for a citation. Why don't you do the same? Put up or shut up. They take only the highest statutory rate, not the effective average rate that is actually paid by corporations after you take into account all the various loopholes available to US corporations. Any comparison that only looks at the theoretical highest statutory rate on the books and not actual taxes paid is worthless. I wouldn't say US corporate tax rates are too low, the problem as I see it is corporate control of US policies stifling innovation in most anything important, like energy, health care, infrasruture
[FairfieldLife] Peckman on Letterman tonight
It is 9:30 PST as I write this and I notice that Peckman is scheduled to appear on Letterman tonight as a UFO expert. What an embarrassment he is to the TMO. What a schmuck.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Paul's most important speech on My Birthday !
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ron Paul's most important speech of the campaign is on My Birthday ! ! ! Ya'll know what that means don't ya? HE IS GOING TO FUK'N ROCK ! http://tinyurl.com/3j4thc http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080610/ap_on_el_pr/ron_paul_convention OffWorld I guess he planned it that way. Tell me, do you ever feel that the people on TV are talking directly to you? And giving you secret messages over the airwaves?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment, Alzhiemers and Stoned Memory Loss -- was Byron Katie's
---Right - the neo-Advaitic Awakening; although non-dual, doesn't match various descriptions of Enlightenment. For one thing, the Awakened people almost never describe their own experiences through the progression of CC, GC, and UC. They then go on to say they are unattached to any manifestations of subtle realities and have thus fully transcended them. This doesn't mesh with the idea of Kundalini markers that MMY mentions; as well as the various subtlties of perception that one must pass through on the level of GC. The fact that one is unnattached to such signs means little. Neither are ignorant people attached to the signs. Imagine a bobsled race to Nome, Alaska; at which various referees are stationed along the raceway to record the passing of the competitors. If a competitor fails to be recorded at a station, he's out. Same way with the Awakened people. They can spout off buzz words like Awakening, Presence, etc; but that's all they can talk about since most are probably well short of the big E. In a nutshell, compare SBS with (so and so). Big difference! On Alzheimers, there's a new product out which might help (I don't market supplements). Check it out at http://www.prevagen.com Here's a testimonial: Male, in his 80's: I bought this product for my father, 81 years old, on the recommendation of a friend who is a doctor. He called me last week to tell me he finished the crossword puzzle in the newspaper for the first time in years. He was thrilled! He's been able to come pretty close to finishing the crossword every day now for the past week or so.* In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: New, thanks for writing this (below). My former mother-in-law has been progressing in her Altzheimer's dementia for several years now and from what I've observed over that time at infrequent intervals also strikes me as not a bad fade out from the world. She isn't uncomfortable except when confronted with radically unfamiliar situations and has a pleasant bemusement with whatever's going on. The recent posts from Jim and Ruth and Curtis within this thread have been particularly interesting for me. I'd appreciate your take on the disassociative state that has been discussed; I can't quite figure out what that is exactly or what that terms means to people. For some time now, but I couldn't say when it started because it's obviously always been, consciousness, or presence is always present. It's not what I understood witnessing to be but it fits the description mostly. It's not like lucid dreaming or anything but there's never a time when I'm not. Similarly, it's not characterized by unboundedness in the sense of vastness or infinity that Jim and Byron Katie speak of, but at the same time there's no sense that it's necessarily specifically locate-able or merely confined to the body. It's relationship to the body is that the body draws attention to it, like pinching a piece of fabric into a little bump or hummock -- now it stands out -- it's noticed, but it's just a bump in the fabric, just a bump on the horizon of attention. At the same time, it's impossible not to know it and impossible that it hasn't always been or that I haven't always been aware of it. I'm not sure if that presence or attention, that seems to be both at the base of me and at the same time not really identified with me is the disassociative state that both Ruth and Curtis relate that they find unpleasant and/or undesirable and is the same state that both Jim and Byron Katie describe in such magnificent terms as overwhelming infinite bliss. It does seem like the me of me, and if I let attention rest on it then it's very pleasant, and not unlike ganj. It has the sense of being before me and it has the sense of not being extinguishable, though I've got no way to test that feeling (at least not right now). Angela said that it feels to her that it could be permanent and survive death, and that feels right to me, too. It even feels right to call it death because it seems to be what is there that will experience the death of the body and maybe that's what this Altzheimer's stuff reminded me of. What is there when everything else is gone? I don't want to appeal to, or rely on, any enlightented authority for explanation because (I feel) it's important to figure this out from a personal perspective rather than from some received, traditional wisdom. It still is important to me to be a good man in the world and I feel that I've been more successful in that endeavor the last several years and directly as a consequence of this internal perspective. There are many people here on this forum whom I look to for insight and perspective, you being one. I'd appreciate any comment you would care to make regarding this. And that goes, of course, for anyone else
[FairfieldLife] Re: Impeachment is a constitutional duty !
There's not enough time to impeach Bush at this point in time. I believe this blog is more of political message to elect a Democrat for president this coming November. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, amarnath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Message from Ramsey Clark Posted by m j http://www.impeachspace.com/xn/detail/u_darkknight13us on June 10, 2008 at 7:47pm Previous Post http://www.impeachspace.com/profiles/blog/show?id=595326% 3ABlogPost%3A6\ 9767 View Blog Posts http://www.impeachspace.com/profiles/blog/list?user=darkknight13us Impeachment is not a political question. Impeachment is a constitutional duty. It is the one power and highest duty the Constitution rests in the Congress to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States when the President, Vice President, and other civil officers of the United States commit treason, bribery, or other High Crimes and Misdemeanors. George Bush has deliberately, falsely and systematically mislead the Congress and the American people concerning the most criminal, costly and harmful acts of his administration, leading us to war, tragic loss of human life, the devastation of Iraq, military expenses reaching trillions of dollars, disruption of the economy that will take decades to overcome, a contemptuous assault on the Bill of Rights, an international humanitarian disaster, deliberate antagonism and provocation of nations and people, most once friendly, and an enlarging assault on the earth's environment. On June 5, 2008, a long delayed five year U.S. Senate Select Committee on Intelligence study and 170-page report unanimously found President Bush, Vice President Cheney and other top officers had made false charges and systematically presented a more dire picture about Iraq than justified by intelligence provided only to them. The Committee included both Democrats and Republicans. Today President Bush is exerting all his power and influence to repeatedly urge Europe, Israel and others to support an attack on Iran which he intends to commence in the remaining months of the presidency. Iran is larger than Iraq and Afghanistan, has millions of people, richer by a multiple, unimpaired by recent war and will fight fiercely if attacked. He is negotiating a permanent U.S. military presence in Iraq placing the U.S. on Iran's border. The next several Presidents of the United States will spend their time in office miserably fighting wars started by Bush, as our economy is consumed in military spending. Impeachment, a Constitutional duty, is the only way to prevent George W. Bush and his cabal from vastly enlarging the disastrous wars he has already inflicted on the world and the American people. The House of Representatives must quickly consider Bills of Impeachment long overdue, and the Senate must prepare to sit in judgment of President Bush, Vice President Cheney other officers who are implicated. Ramsey Clark June 10, 2008
