[FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifuxero@ wrote: -Here's one of the cities in a bubble. Still costs only $3,500.: http://www.vedicobservatory.org/Products.html Holy gulabjamin! This is for real! And just when I thought I'd seen the bottom of the pit of strange that the TMO has become. Does anyone know if they (whoever they are) ever sold any? There is one in the UKs dome in Skelmersdale. When I heard they'd bought an observatory I thought it was good that we could combine astronomy with rounding. I didn't realise it meant something you OBSERVE. Tis bizarre and I still don't know what it's supposed to be doing when you look at it, aligning your mind with cosmic something or others I suspect.
[FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg
It's possible to check if this is real or imagined by asking the swiss police. My guess is that it's a made up story, or if it really happened, an insurance scam. Maybe someone could ask the pilots. Does anyone knows who they were at the time? I don't think we should waste time talking about it unless we know it's for real. So the evidence was clear (to the germans) that americans were behind these plots, yet the swiss police and intelligence units were unable to capture and prosecute these criminals? Is it that the swiss are so dumb to not be able to figure anything out, or that the germans are so smart that they easily figured it out? And why did the smart germans not provide any information or insights to the swiss?
[FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Feste, how much experience do you have with WYMS? These guys were fucking Nazis, I kid you not. They were rude, arrogant, deceitful, manipulative and even physically violent at times. Very dark souls that Maharishi surrounded himself with in Seelisberg. Supreme pricks that guarded Maharishi. Think of Hitler's inner elite circle of generals and you have WYMS down pat. Everybody hated these supreme assholes. This is weird, I've never even heard of these guys before. I guess it's another part of movement history that's been edited out as unpalatable. I was often surpised that when I heard MMY say something particularly stupid or offensive it would disappear from the transcript that would get sent out to centres, as if the masters word was sometimes too embarrassing. What other bizarre tales are being kept from us? The need for an unabridged whole story of the TMO grows ever stronger. There must be enough of a market for a real warts'n'all book. --- On Thu, 6/26/08, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, June 26, 2008, 11:09 PM He sounds like a very creative guy. I'd like to hear some of his music. Why are people attacking him? Just because he has a connection with the TM movement? You need a better reason than that. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: His Song of Life opera looks like a good project for the Maharishi School of the Age of Englightenment drama club. http://www.songoflife.com/Content.htm Thanks for this, Patrick...it's mind-boggling, like reading about a TM TB Wagnerian egomaniac who missed his true era by a few years. He would have been a perfect member of the Hitler Youth, writing such pageants for der Fuehrer. Instead, he composes them for Maharishi. WAY, way out there. What I wonder is whether 'autodidact' is another word for 'jerkoff.' Whoa mama you ain't kidding! Check out his other sites like the Micro Music Labs where he proposes the use of superior electronic (Aryan) methods to overcome the deficiencies of human musicians and composers. http://www.micromusiclaboratories.com/01_Editorial/0103_Editorial.php I'm just scratching the surface but, as I said yesterday, just when you think you've seen it all with the outness of TM fallout there's more And check this out. He has something to do (maybe the founder??) of something called Cosmic University. http://www.cosmicuniversity.net/10_Music_Musicology/1101_Contents/03_R _D_Projects_ Object.php I can tell already that if one starts moving about in his maze of sites a search party may be needed To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's possible to check if this is real or imagined by asking the swiss police. My guess is that it's a made up story, or if it really happened, an insurance scam. Maybe someone could ask the pilots. Does anyone knows who they were at the time? I don't think we should waste time talking about it unless we know it's for real. The CIA wouldn't have been doing their job if they hadn't investigated the TMO. After all, it's a huge and very wealthy world-wide movement, and MMY was claiming he was going to change the world whether governmants liked it or not. I'd have been interested in what was going on. I imagine they sent a few agents in, realised we were a bunch of harmless fruitcakes and left it at that. All this conspiracy nonsense is ridiculous, a symptom of paranoia. And what lies at the root of paranoia? Vanity - We are so important the worlds' top secret agents are trying to destroy us, they must know we have the power to change the world. To a group of people who thought they bought down the Berlin wall by radiating coherence thinking like this must just be the logical next step. So the evidence was clear (to the germans) that americans were behind these plots, yet the swiss police and intelligence units were unable to capture and prosecute these criminals? Is it that the swiss are so dumb to not be able to figure anything out, or that the germans are so smart that they easily figured it out? And why did the smart germans not provide any information or insights to the swiss?
[FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg
I think that we should allow people who were once part of the TMO to be as way out as they like without it reflecting on the TMO itself. In any case this isn't that weird in its own context, it looks like fairly standard experimental Electro-KrautRock stuff. I'm just scratching the surface but, as I said yesterday, just when you think you've seen it all with the outness of TM fallout there's more
[FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg
Not everyone hated them. The really really annoying thing was that they had the best girls in Seelisberg chasing them. Feste, how much experience do you have with WYMS? These guys were fucking Nazis, I kid you not. They were rude, arrogant, deceitful, manipulative and even physically violent at times. Very dark souls that Maharishi surrounded himself with in Seelisberg. Supreme pricks that guarded Maharishi. Think of Hitler's inner elite circle of generals and you have WYMS down pat. Everybody hated these supreme assholes.
[FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can tell already that if one starts moving about in his maze of sites a search party may be needed Silly me. He didn't just found Cosmic University. It appears that he founded, um, these: PYTHAGORAS UNIVERSITY UNIVERSITY OF LIFE UNIVERSITY OF NATURE UNIVERSITY OF WISDOM UNIVERSITY OF DEMOCRACY COSMIC UNIVERSITY PYTHAGORAS UNIVERSITÄT FREE UNIVERSITY FREIE UNIVERSITÄT KOSMISCHE UNIVERSITÄT DEUTSCHE TECHNISCHE UNIVERSITÄT HARMONY UNIVERSITY MUSIC UNIVERSITY MUSIK UNIVERSITÄT SOCRATES UNIVERSITY SOKRATES UNIVERSITÄT DEUTSCHE UNIVERSITÄT GERMAN UNIVERSITY PYTHAGORAS UNIVERSITY HARMONY UNIVERSITY UNIVERSITY OF NATURE UNIVERSITY OF WISDOM UNIVERSITY OF MUSIC COSMIC UNIVERSITY UNIVERSITY OF HEALTH UNIVERSITY OF RELIGION UNIVERSITY OF WORLD PEACE ARCHAISCHE UNIVERSITÄT MYTHOLOGIE UNIVERSITÄT FORSCHUNGS UNIVERSITÄT UNIVERSITÄT DER MUSIK UNIVERSITÄT DER PHILOSOPHIE BEWUSSTSEINSUNIVERSITÄT MEDIZINISCHE UNIVERSITÄT UNIVERSITÄT DER MUSIKWISSENSCHAFT ARCHAIC UNIVERSITY UNIVERSITY OF MYTHOLOGY UNIVERSITY OF PHILOSOPHY UNIVERSITY OF CONSCIOUSNESS VEDIC UNIVERSITY UNIVERSITY OF MEDICAL SCIENCES UNIVERSITY OF MUSICOLOGY RESEARCH UNIVERSITY VEDA UNIVERSITÄT UNIVERSITÄT DER WEISHEIT NATUR UNIVERSITÄT UNIVERSITÄT DER NATUR SONNEN UNIVERSITÄT MOND UNIVERSITÄT STERNEN UNIVERSITÄT KULTUR UNIVERSITÄT VOLKS UNIVERSITÄT FREIE VOLKSUNIVERSITÄT KREATIVITÄTS UNIVERSITÄT DEUTSCHE BILDUNGS UNIVERSITÄT BILDUNGSUNIVERSITÄT HARMONIE UNIVERSITÄT UNIVERSITÄT DER GESUNDHEIT DEUTSCHE PHARMA UNIVERSITÄT PHARMA UNIVERSITÄT MÄRCHEN UNIVERSITÄT UNIVERSITÄT DER RELIGION UNIVERSITÄT DER GEISTESWISSENSCHAFT UNIVERSITÄT DER NATURWISSENSCHAFT WEDA UNIVERSITÄT EDDA UNIVERSITÄT YOGA UNIVERSITÄT DRACHEN UNIVERSITÄT DRAGON UNIVERSITY SUN UNIVERSITY MOON UNIVERSITY STAR UNIVERSITY UNIVERSITY OF CULTURE PEOPLES UNIVERSITY GERMAN UNIVERSITY OF EDUCATION UNIVERSITY OF EDUCATION UNIVERSITY OF LIFE ENERGY UNIVERSITY OF LIFE HARMONY UNIVERSITY OF LIFE INTELLIGENCE GERMAN PHARMA UNIVERSITY PHARMA UNIVERSITY FAIRYTALE UNIVERSITY UNIVERSITY OF ARTS UNIVERSITY OF NATURAL SCIENCES EDDA UNIVERSITY UNIVERSITY OF YOGA DEUTSCHE ARCHAISCHE UNIVERSITÄT GERMAN ARCHAIC UNIVERSITY DEUTSCHE UNIVERSITÄT DER NATUR GERMAN UNIVERSITY OF NATURE DEUTSCHE KULTUR UNIVERSITÄT GERMAN UNIVERSITY OF CULTURE DEUTSCHE DEMOKRATIE UNIVERSITÄT GERMAN UNIVERSITY OF DEMOCRACY DEUTSCHE BEWUSSTSEINS UNIVERSITÄT GERMAN UNIVERSITY OF CONSCIOUSNESS DEUTSCHE KREATIVITÄTS UNIVERSITÄT GERMAN UNIVERSITY OF CREATIVITY GERMAN UNIVERSITY OF EDUCATION DEUTSCHE GESUNDHEITS UNIVERSITÄT GERMAN UNIVERSITY OF HEALTH DEUTSCHE MEDIZIN UNIVERSITÄT GERMAN UNIVERSITY OF MEDICINE DEUTSCHE UNIVERSITÄT DER MUSIKWISSENSCHAFT GERMAN UNIVERSITY OF MUSICOLOGY DEUTSCHE MUSIK UNIVERSITÄT GERMAN UNIVERSITY OF MUSIC DEUTSCHE MYTHOLOGIE UNIVERSITÄT GERMAN UNIVERSITY OF MYTHOLOGY DEUTSCHE MÄRCHEN UNIVERSITÄT GERMAN FAIRYTALE UNIVERSITY DEUTSCHE SEELSORGE UNIVERSITÄT GERMAN UNIVERSITY FOR THE CURE OF SOULS GERMAN UNIVERSITY OF RELIGION DEUTSCHE UNIVERSITÄT DER GEISTESWISSENSCHAFT GERMAN UNIVERSITY OF ARTS GERMAN UNIVERSITY OF NATURAL SCIENCE DEUTSCHE UNIVERSITÄT DER NATURWISSENSCHAFT DEUTSCHE FORSCHUNGS UNIVERSITÄT GERMAN RESEARCH UNIVERSITY DEUTSCHE WEISHEITSUNIVERSITÄT GERMAN WISDOM UNIVERSITY DEUTSCHE WEDA UNIVERSITÄT GERMAN VEDA UNIVERSITY DEUTSCHE PHILOSOPHIE UNIVERSITÄT GERMAN UNIVERSITY OF PHILOSOPHY GERMAN UNIVERSITY OF MUSICOLOGY DEUTSCHE SAKRALE MUSIK UNIVERSITÄT GERMAN UNIVERSITY OF SACRED MUSIC DEUTSCHE MUSIK MEDIZIN UNIVERSITÄT GERMAN UNIVERSITY OF MUSIC MEDICINE DEUTSCHE MUSIK THERAPIE UNIVERSITÄT GERMAN UNIVERSITY OF MUSIC THERAPY VEDA UNIVERSITY DEUTSCHE EDDA UNIVERSITÄT GERMAN EDDA UNIVERSITY DEUTSCHE RELIGIONS UNIVERSITÄT SAKRALE MUSIK UNIVERSITÄT UNIVERSITY OF SACRED MUSIC SEELSORGE UNIVERSITÄT MUSIK THERAPIE UNIVERSITÄT MUSIK MEDIZIN UNIVERSITÄT UNIVERSITY FOR THE CURE OF SOULS UNIVERSITY OF MUSIC THERAPY UNIVERSITY OF MUSIC MEDICINE GERMAN UNIVERSITY OF MEDITATION UNIVERSITY OF MEDITATION DEUTSCHE UNIVERSITÄT DER MEDITATION UNIVERSITÄT DER MEDITATION MYTHOS UNIVERSITÄT EPOS UNIVERSITÄT DRAMA UNIVERSITÄT ARCHAIC UNIVERSITY UNIVERSITY OF EDUCATION UNIVERSAL UNIVERSITY SOUL UNIVERSITY SCIENCE UNIVERSITY UNIVERSITY OF SCIENCE DEUTSCHE UNIVERSITÄT UNIVERSALE UNIVERSITÄT EUROPÄISCHE UNIVERSITÄT EUROPÄISCHE UNIVERSITÄT UNIVERSAL UNIVERSITY OF EUROPE UNIVERSAL UNIVERSITY OF AMERICA UNIVERSAL UNIVERSITY OF AFRICA UNIVERSAL UNIVERSITY OF ASIA UNIVERSITY OF HUMANITIES DEUTSCHE UNIVERSITÄT WORLD UNIVERSITY UNIVERSAL UNIVERSITY OF EUROPE UNIVERSAL UNIVERSITY OF AMERICA UNIVERSAL UNIVERSITY OF AFRICA UNIVERSAL UNIVERSITY OF ASIA UNIVERSITY OF MEDITATION FREIE DEUTSCHE UNIVERSITÄT EUROPÄISCHE UNIVERSITÄT UNIVERSITY OF MANAGEMENT OPERA UNIVERSITY
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[FairfieldLife] Star Star (was Re: My visit to Seelisberg)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not everyone hated them. The really really annoying thing was that they had the best girls in Seelisberg chasing them. Ah, finally...a suitable subject for my last post of the week. I'll start it off, and if others can identify and add more material, maybe it'll still be an active thread on Saturday. :-) The subject for this thread is a social phen- omenon that has appeared in every spiritual movement I've ever seen; the soundtrack for it is provided by the Rolling Stones in a song they called *on the album covers* Star Star. The real name of the song was Starfucker. The lyrics are here: http://tinyurl.com/6k4uma It's not that the women in Seelisberg chased the WYMS guys because they were big, butch Nazis. They were, but that wasn't the attraction. They chased them because they had *access to Maharishi*. They had the closest thing to POWER that one can have in a one-man-rule organization -- access to the one man. The women in Seelisberg also chased the Regional Coordinators and the State Coordinators from the U.S. when they came to town. And the leaders from the different countries as well. And WHY? Because they rightly thought that if they hooked up with these guys maybe *they* would get greater access to Maharishi. Think I'm exaggerating? Think again...think Bevan. What attractive woman in her right mind would want to sleep with that blubberous toad? But they did, because he was a blubberous toady, and for a long time, the Head Toady. He had more access to MMY, and thus the thinking seems to have been, He must have some aspect of personal power or higher evo- lution about him, and if I (ick) fuck him, maybe some of it will rub off on me. As I said before, this is a social phenomenon not limited to the TMO. I have seen it in pretty much every spiritual movement or scene I've ever been around. If it's a movement with primarily men at close proximity to the guru or Big Kahuna, then the women tend to throw themselves at those men. If it's a movement with primarily women at close proximity to the guru, the men (and sometimes the other women) tend to throw themselves at the women who've established their personal power levels by being able to be close to the guru. It's just what happens. It's a law of nature. So I don't think that it's that the ladies in Seelisberg were closet Nazi groupies; they were just good, old-fashioned power groupies. They were sexually attracted -- as women have been since the dawn of time -- to those whose personal charisma had allowed them to rise to the top. Feste, how much experience do you have with WYMS? These guys were fucking Nazis, I kid you not. They were rude, arrogant, deceitful, manipulative and even physically violent at times. Very dark souls that Maharishi surrounded himself with in Seelisberg. Supreme pricks that guarded Maharishi. Think of Hitler's inner elite circle of generals and you have WYMS down pat. Everybody hated these supreme assholes.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy dancing all over the world
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlfKdbWwruY I love this guy, what a great idea. I feel like my faith in humanity is restored.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not everyone hated them. The really really annoying thing was that they had the best girls in Seelisberg chasing them. Glad you spoke up. Neither did I. I had never anyproblem with them in the 1 year i worked there in staff, and in the about 6-7 yrs I visited Seelisberg regularely. They were a group in a group, a cult if you like, but I got to know some of them better when they were doing security for the plane - usually 4 of them stayed in Rhineweiler. Some of them were really nice guys. Peter Huebner was a very friendly, humorous guy, who could entertain whole crowds just joking around. He was self-centered, no doubt, all the Wyms guys thought he was in CC and Richard Wagner reincarnated.I never bought into their philosophy. But they were really hard working, Karma Yogis, if you ask me they were the most hard working people in the movement. I remember that there was once a special project in the press, and we were short of staff. Maharsihi asked in Seelisberg for volunteers, but nobody came, so he ordered the WYMS who did the job. They usually slept very little, it was part of their philosophy, and did a lot of night time jobs. And honestly, as a German I am really pissed off to be associated with Nazi cliches at every opportunity. I just was in India again, and when you say you are from Germany they ask you if you know Adolf Hitler. What shall we tell them? That we aren't proud of him, that we are actually ashamed, that they probably don't know about the holocaust, because in India people seem to think he was a great man. They know nothing of us, of our now democratic culture, of how we changed and how we think, they just thrive on some old cliches, and that pisses me off to be honest. Wyms was doing security at a time this was new, when everybody before had almost free access to Maharishi, people weren't used to it, and were naturally pissed off. And then they were Germans, and unforgivable fault. Well at least we didn't have people running around with machine guns in military attire like you americans had in Rajneshpuram, and at least we didn't poison our Gurus. Feste, how much experience do you have with WYMS? These guys were fucking Nazis, I kid you not. They were rude, arrogant, deceitful, manipulative and even physically violent at times. Very dark souls that Maharishi surrounded himself with in Seelisberg. Supreme pricks that guarded Maharishi. Think of Hitler's inner elite circle of generals and you have WYMS down pat. Everybody hated these supreme assholes.
[FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think that we should allow people who were once part of the TMO to be as way out as they like without it reflecting on the TMO itself. In any case this isn't that weird in its own context, it looks like fairly standard experimental Electro-KrautRock stuff. Agree fully. Its not my type of music really - I remember having heard Song of live records at the time when it came out at my friends room who had it playing. Its sort of relaxing music without being really New Agey. If you think what other music we had in the movement at this time - Emilys Invincibility songs or Rick Stanley. I know people not connected to TM at all who heard his health music regularely and liked it, just for relaxation.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg
On Jun 26, 2008, at 11:26 PM, Peter wrote: Feste, how much experience do you have with WYMS? These guys were fucking Nazis, I kid you not. They were rude, arrogant, deceitful, manipulative and even physically violent at times. Very dark souls that Maharishi surrounded himself with in Seelisberg. Supreme pricks that guarded Maharishi. Think of Hitler's inner elite circle of generals and you have WYMS down pat. Everybody hated these supreme assholes. So that would make him the Wagner of the TMO I guess...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg
On Jun 27, 2008, at 2:11 AM, Hugo wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifuxero@ wrote: -Here's one of the cities in a bubble. Still costs only $3,500.: http://www.vedicobservatory.org/Products.html Holy gulabjamin! This is for real! And just when I thought I'd seen the bottom of the pit of strange that the TMO has become. Does anyone know if they (whoever they are) ever sold any? There is one in the UKs dome in Skelmersdale. When I heard they'd bought an observatory I thought it was good that we could combine astronomy with rounding. I didn't realise it meant something you OBSERVE. Tis bizarre and I still don't know what it's supposed to be doing when you look at it, aligning your mind with cosmic something or others I suspect. A lot of the yantras, the astronomical instruments, work by casting shadows and recording some sort of measurement for an event in the sky. MMY claimed that the shadow represented ignorance (the sun = PC) and that by merely observing the pattern one could grok the universal orderliness without knowing or even understanding the mathematics or particulars of the various yantras. We all contain dregs of ignorance, so merely observing shadows of cosmic ignorance would infer backwards to the various elements of ignorance obscuring our own awareness and therefore help us to see the underlying orderliness of the cosmos, completely without a need for intellectual understanding.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Extreme Instability as Vedic Chanting continues More Pundits arriving.
Extreme Instabitlity Continues INTO THIS EVENING. HIGH MOISTURE LEVELS SUPPORT LOCALLY HEAVY RAINS OF 1.5 TO OVER 3 INCHES IN A SHORT TIME. THIS WOULD RESULT IN FLASH FLOODING AND ADDITIONAL RIVER FLOODING. SOME OF THE STRONGEST STORMS MAY ALSO REACH SEVERE LEVELS...MAINLY THIS AFTERNOON INTO THIS EVENING. THE PRIMARY THREAT WILL BE LARGE HAIL UP TO THE SIZE OF NICKELS AND WINDS OF 30 TO 50 MPH WITH ISOLATED GUSTS TO AROUND 60 MPH POSSIBLE. FOR FURTHER INFORMATION ON FLOODING AND FLASH FLOODING...SEE LOCAL HYDROLOGIC... Jai Guru Dev, --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: Are there more pundits coming? And how many will it make total? Thanks OffWorld *** Hagelin announced today on the MOU channel that 250 more pundits are coming soon, but didn't break the pundit total out, noting only that there would be more than 2K YF at dome time once they arrived.
[FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg
He (Peter Hubners) has conveniently edited out any mention of TMO. And yet he almost constructs a parallel structure based on the same ideas. (less the techniques) I guess TMO is somewhat taboo in Germany, and he doesn't want associate with anything which might damage his credibility and possiblility of success. I listened to a small sampling of his music- the Moon Symphony. I did not find it too impressive. I'd love to hear some WYMS stories. I did not have much interaction with them. [EMAIL PROTECTED], guyfawkes91 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think that we should allow people who were once part of the TMO to be as way out as they like without it reflecting on the TMO itself. In any case this isn't that weird in its own context, it looks like fairly standard experimental Electro-KrautRock stuff. I'm just scratching the surface but, as I said yesterday, just when you think you've seen it all with the outness of TM fallout there's more
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg
On Jun 27, 2008, at 7:03 AM, Michael wrote: And honestly, as a German I am really pissed off to be associated with Nazi cliches at every opportunity. I just was in India again, and when you say you are from Germany they ask you if you know Adolf Hitler. What shall we tell them? If you were honest you would tell them 'no, I didn't know him, but I was part of an organization and my Guru, MMY, admired Hitler greatly; in fact his organization had and has many affinities with Nazism, both in the past and in the present. He wanted to take over the world too.' You could tell them the stories of MMY and Mein Kamph and the inner circle who wore swastikas under their clothing if they didn't believe you and the story of this Huebner guy--the Wagner of TM--and the WYMS should clinch any doubts they might have. Jai Guru Dev! Nazi salute
[FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: at least we didn't have people running around with machine guns in military attire like you americans had in Rajneshpuram, and at least we didn't poison our Gurus. Always gotta have that parting shot. When one feels slighted, they just can't express it without shooting a barb at someone else. Feste, how much experience do you have with WYMS? These guys were fucking Nazis, I kid you not. They were rude, arrogant, deceitful, manipulative and even physically violent at times. Very dark souls that Maharishi surrounded himself with in Seelisberg. Supreme pricks that guarded Maharishi. Think of Hitler's inner elite circle of generals and you have WYMS down pat. Everybody hated these supreme assholes.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hugo Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 1:11 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , yifuxero yifuxero@ wrote: -Here's one of the cities in a bubble. Still costs only $3,500.: http://www.vedicobservatory.org/Products.html Holy gulabjamin! This is for real! And just when I thought I'd seen the bottom of the pit of strange that the TMO has become. Does anyone know if they (whoever they are) ever sold any? There is one in the UKs dome in Skelmersdale. When I heard they'd bought an observatory I thought it was good that we could combine astronomy with rounding. I didn't realise it meant something you OBSERVE. Tis bizarre and I still don't know what it's supposed to be doing when you look at it, aligning your mind with cosmic something or others I suspect. When they first came out Maharishi explained that it made your mind coherent just to look at the thing, so people would stand and stare at it as they came out of the dome.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg
On Jun 27, 2008, at 7:03 AM, Michael wrote: Well at least we didn't have people running around with machine guns in military attire like you americans had in Rajneshpuram, and at least we didn't poison our Gurus. According the Sri Swami Rama, MMY was a leading suspect in the poisoning of Swami Brahmananda Saraswati--and the Maharishi has repeatedly worried about being poisoned himself--even claiming he was poisoned on at least one occasion. Guilty conscience?
[FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Glad you spoke up. Neither did I. I had never anyproblem with them in the 1 year i worked there in staff, and in the about 6-7 yrs I visited Seelisberg regularely. That's rather my recollection. I had no run ins with them. Then again, I did not spend a lot of time in Switzerland, but any interaction I did have was rather benign. They were a group in a group, a cult if you like, but I got to know some of them better when they were doing security for the plane - usually 4 of them stayed in Rhineweiler. Some of them were really nice guys. Peter Huebner was a very friendly, humorous guy, who could entertain whole crowds just joking around. He was self-centered, no doubt, all the Wyms guys thought he was in CC and Richard Wagner reincarnated.I never bought into their philosophy. But they were really hard working, Karma Yogis, if you ask me they were the most hard working people in the movement. I remember that there was once a special project in the press, and we were short of staff. Maharsihi asked in Seelisberg for volunteers, but nobody came, so he ordered the WYMS who did the job. They usually slept very little, it was part of their philosophy, and did a lot of night time jobs. And honestly, as a German I am really pissed off to be associated with Nazi cliches at every opportunity. I just was in India again, and when you say you are from Germany they ask you if you know Adolf Hitler. What shall we tell them? That we aren't proud of him, that we are actually ashamed, that they probably don't know about the holocaust, because in India people seem to think he was a great man. They know nothing of us, of our now democratic culture, of how we changed and how we think, they just thrive on some old cliches, and that pisses me off to be honest. Wyms was doing security at a time this was new, when everybody before had almost free access to Maharishi, people weren't used to it, and were naturally pissed off. And then they were Germans, and unforgivable fault. Well at least we didn't have people running around with machine guns in military attire like you americans had in Rajneshpuram, and at least we didn't poison our Gurus. Feste, how much experience do you have with WYMS? These guys were fucking Nazis, I kid you not. They were rude, arrogant, deceitful, manipulative and even physically violent at times. Very dark souls that Maharishi surrounded himself with in Seelisberg. Supreme pricks that guarded Maharishi. Think of Hitler's inner elite circle of generals and you have WYMS down pat. Everybody hated these supreme assholes.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg
--- On Fri, 6/27/08, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And then they[wyms] were Germans, and unforgivable fault. The fact that the WYMS dudes were German was completely irrelevant. They were so despised because of their behavior. They were the beginning of the end for the movement. Probably Europeans have a few longstanding feelings about Germans, but Americans don't.
[FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg
First MMY as Hitler a mass murderer. Now the murderer of SBS. Vaj, your spirituality is really shining through. Can't wait to see what comes next. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 27, 2008, at 7:03 AM, Michael wrote: Well at least we didn't have people running around with machine guns in military attire like you americans had in Rajneshpuram, and at least we didn't poison our Gurus. According the Sri Swami Rama, MMY was a leading suspect in the poisoning of Swami Brahmananda Saraswati--and the Maharishi has repeatedly worried about being poisoned himself--even claiming he was poisoned on at least one occasion. Guilty conscience?
[FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 27, 2008, at 2:11 AM, Hugo wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifuxero@ wrote: -Here's one of the cities in a bubble. Still costs only $3,500.: http://www.vedicobservatory.org/Products.html Holy gulabjamin! This is for real! And just when I thought I'd seen the bottom of the pit of strange that the TMO has become. Does anyone know if they (whoever they are) ever sold any? There is one in the UKs dome in Skelmersdale. When I heard they'd bought an observatory I thought it was good that we could combine astronomy with rounding. I didn't realise it meant something you OBSERVE. Tis bizarre and I still don't know what it's supposed to be doing when you look at it, aligning your mind with cosmic something or others I suspect. A lot of the yantras, the astronomical instruments, work by casting shadows and recording some sort of measurement for an event in the sky. MMY claimed that the shadow represented ignorance (the sun = PC) and that by merely observing the pattern one could grok the universal orderliness without knowing or even understanding the mathematics or particulars of the various yantras. We all contain dregs of ignorance, so merely observing shadows of cosmic ignorance would infer backwards to the various elements of ignorance obscuring our own awareness and therefore help us to see the underlying orderliness of the cosmos, completely without a need for intellectual understanding. Ah Well, at least there is a reason. I can't pretend I understand how that might work, I guess I have more dregs of ignorance than most. Give me a good telescope any day. Here's what the TMO think of it: http://www.vedicobservatory.org/YSummary.html With this amusing disclaimer on the next page: It should be noted that the specific anticipated influences and effects of the Maharishi Vedic Observatory on individuals undoubtedly will vary and are dependent on the unique qualities of the observing individual's nervous system. Therefore, no particular results or benefits should be expected, predicted, or represented concerning these effects. Nothing in these materials should be construed otherwise. I remember we had a staff meeting at one of the academies I worked at that was making a profit, they asked us if we had any ideas about what we should spend the money on for the enjoyment of staff and guests alike. My vote was for an espresso machine or radio-controlled Dalek. You know, something people might actually use. But everyone else wanted a vedic observatory. We didn't get one in the end, a shame, I would've given it a try. I'll try anything once.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg
Peter Huebner invited me up to the WYMS suite in the Sonnenburg for tea once. I'm not sure what his motives were. Maybe he thought I was a rising star and wanted to ingratiate himself. It was a somewhat awkward meeting. We weren't on the same wavelength. I felt funny being served by his sycophants. I don't remember much else from the meeting.
[FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 27, 2008, at 7:03 AM, Michael wrote: And honestly, as a German I am really pissed off to be associated with Nazi cliches at every opportunity. I just was in India again, and when you say you are from Germany they ask you if you know Adolf Hitler. What shall we tell them? If you were honest you would tell them 'no, I didn't know him, but I was part of an organization and my Guru, MMY, admired Hitler greatly; in fact his organization had and has many affinities with Nazism, both in the past and in the present. He wanted to take over the world too.' You could tell them the stories of MMY and Mein Kamph and the inner circle who wore swastikas under their clothing if they didn't believe you and the story of this Huebner guy--the Wagner of TM--and the WYMS should clinch any doubts they might have. Jai Guru Dev! Nazi salute Oh my god Vaj - I know what I tell Indians - but what shall I tell you? That I am not really interested in all this? To let go of the past? I am not really interested in all this. If I am in India, I usually don't persue the conversation, so why should I do it here? I usually avoid people who talk rubbish like this, I don't have the time for it.
[FairfieldLife] Fwd: Supreme Court Upholds Second Amendment Right to Bear Arms
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Supreme Court Upholds Second Amendment Right to Bear Arms
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Subj: Supreme Court Upholds Second Amendment Right to Bear Arms I want the right to arm bears.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg
On Jun 27, 2008, at 8:30 AM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote: First MMY as Hitler a mass murderer. Now the murderer of SBS. Vaj, your spirituality is really shining through. Can't wait to see what comes next. It isn't me who makes this stuff up; it's been well known in India that he was a leading suspect for a long time. Believe me, I was as shocked as anyone to hear it the first time back in the 80's--so much so that I couldn't think about it for months without being enraged. That of course doesn't mean he actually did it (and of course he was never charged with anything). But it does give a window onto how's he's viewed in his native country by some. I don't believe it's fair to call MMY a mass murderer, that's pushing it a good bit. But nonetheless, he does have blood on his hands for other reasons.
[FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh my god Vaj - I know what I tell Indians - but what shall I tell you? Good line. My thoughts exactly. You gotta wonder how Vaj got in this position.
[FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It isn't me who makes this stuff up; it's been well known in India that he was a leading suspect for a long time. Believe me, I was as shocked as anyone to hear it the first time back in the 80's--so much so that I couldn't think about it for months without being enraged. That of course doesn't mean he actually did it (and of course he was never charged with anything). But it does give a window onto how's he's viewed in his native country by some. I don't believe it's fair to call MMY a mass murderer, that's pushing it a good bit. But nonetheless, he does have blood on his hands for other reasons. Ok.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg
On Jun 27, 2008, at 8:48 AM, Michael wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 27, 2008, at 7:03 AM, Michael wrote: And honestly, as a German I am really pissed off to be associated with Nazi cliches at every opportunity. I just was in India again, and when you say you are from Germany they ask you if you know Adolf Hitler. What shall we tell them? If you were honest you would tell them 'no, I didn't know him, but I was part of an organization and my Guru, MMY, admired Hitler greatly; in fact his organization had and has many affinities with Nazism, both in the past and in the present. He wanted to take over the world too.' You could tell them the stories of MMY and Mein Kamph and the inner circle who wore swastikas under their clothing if they didn't believe you and the story of this Huebner guy--the Wagner of TM--and the WYMS should clinch any doubts they might have. Jai Guru Dev! Nazi salute Oh my god Vaj - I know what I tell Indians - but what shall I tell you? That I am not really interested in all this? To let go of the past? I am not really interested in all this. If I am in India, I usually don't persue the conversation, so why should I do it here? I usually avoid people who talk rubbish like this, I don't have the time for it. My point being, I can see how Indians--esp. if they knew your connection to the TMO and the fact you were German, might intuit or imagine such a thing. I do believe it is good to let go of the past, but at the same time, it a good thing to have a nice objective view of real and honest TM org history, warts and all, even if some of those pieces may contain some bizarre neo-Nazi elements. It's interesting how even, quite recently, there have been accusations of Nazi overtones in a German TM spokesman's statements.
[FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg
Well, I wasn't there and I don't know, but that was a quarter of a century ago, right? Let's put it down to the arrogance of youth. I would still like to hear some of his music. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Feste, how much experience do you have with WYMS? These guys were fucking Nazis, I kid you not. They were rude, arrogant, deceitful, manipulative and even physically violent at times. Very dark souls that Maharishi surrounded himself with in Seelisberg. Supreme pricks that guarded Maharishi. Think of Hitler's inner elite circle of generals and you have WYMS down pat. Everybody hated these supreme assholes. Yep, that is the way it was. You had to be there to know.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Extreme Instability as Vedic Chanting continues More Pundits arriving.
You missed this one Oil touches above $142 http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/27/markets/oil/ and Gloom Descends Over Wall Street Again http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/27/business/27stox.html Mmmm, maybe folks will start wondering if there's any effect from the YFs at all. Or maybe they'll just shut their eyes and tell each other that it's some purification. How long can they keep up the delusion we all wonder. I reckon a lot of people will be starting to ask if there really is an effect in 2 to 5 years from now. Generally in cases like this there's just a few dissenting voices, then people start telling jokes to each other in private as they lose faith. Then as authority crumbles and dissent becomes more widespread the jokes go public, and people start to ask things like where has our money gone? or other more pointed questions like have we been wasting our time?. Then it just implodes. Standard stuff really. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Extreme Instabitlity Continues INTO THIS EVENING. HIGH MOISTURE LEVELS SUPPORT LOCALLY HEAVY RAINS OF 1.5 TO OVER 3 INCHES IN A SHORT TIME. THIS WOULD RESULT IN FLASH FLOODING AND ADDITIONAL RIVER FLOODING. SOME OF THE STRONGEST STORMS MAY ALSO REACH SEVERE LEVELS...MAINLY THIS AFTERNOON INTO THIS EVENING. THE PRIMARY THREAT WILL BE LARGE HAIL UP TO THE SIZE OF NICKELS AND WINDS OF 30 TO 50 MPH WITH ISOLATED GUSTS TO AROUND 60 MPH POSSIBLE. FOR FURTHER INFORMATION ON FLOODING AND FLASH FLOODING...SEE LOCAL HYDROLOGIC... Jai Guru Dev, --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: Are there more pundits coming? And how many will it make total? Thanks OffWorld *** Hagelin announced today on the MOU channel that 250 more pundits are coming soon, but didn't break the pundit total out, noting only that there would be more than 2K YF at dome time once they arrived.
[FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not everyone hated them. The really really annoying thing was that they had the best girls in Seelisberg chasing them. Feste, how much experience do you have with WYMS? These guys were fucking Nazis, I kid you not. They were rude, arrogant, deceitful, manipulative and even physically violent at times. Very dark souls that Maharishi surrounded himself with in Seelisberg. Supreme pricks that guarded Maharishi. Think of Hitler's inner elite circle of generals and you have WYMS down pat. Everybody hated these supreme assholes. Thats only partially true - they'd hate you because you did not follow the rules, then you hated them because they did something to you because you were sloppy and not followed the rules, which upset you... etcetcetc. Some few were very sweet fellows and many if not all came from prominent nazi families. I suppose they had some issues regarding brits and amis. Hubner is said to have come from a german Noble family, without any talent for writing music, imho. Like many different post-war groups, including the hippies, Maharishi invited them in, protected them from themselves and gave them responsebilities thus changing their focus from destructedness to Light. I met some of the WYMS 20 years after my first encounters with them in Seelisberg and I can assure you; the transformation was immense. But who knows where those that voted to stay in the Black Forest have gone...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy dancing all over the world
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlfKdbWwruY I love this guy, what a great idea. I feel like my faith in humanity is restored. Yeah. Happiness on the inside *and* happiness on the outside.
[FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My point being, I can see how Indians--esp. if they knew your connection to the TMO No, they don't. These are people on the street, they know nothing of me or my past (20+), and if they knew they wouldn't make this connection either. Its simply Indians who want to speak to you because you are a foreigner and they are interested in this. Always first question, even from Children: What is your name? Second question: what is your country? (Germany) Third question:Do you know Adolf Hitler? If you are lucky they ask: East or West Germany? instead. I know somebody in Madanapalle who knew MMY directly, but they would never come up with anything like this. When I was in Allahabd at he cremation the newspapers where full of MMY's Mahasamadhi, he was actually celebrated as somebody great who brought Indian meditation, Vedas to the west. and the fact you were German, might intuit or imagine such a thing. Its your imagination. No, what I am talking up against is using cliches like this, 'Nazis', 'Heil Hitler' which are emotionally loaded, but here is no substance behind it. And the cultural connotations about these terms are very different in India then in the west, which is actually alienating to us. I do believe it is good to let go of the past, YES. Now, I have followed some of the discussions here around John Knapp and trancenet. Somebody brought this topic up, that people, who left TM years, decades ago, are still fixed with a lot of emotional energy to their TM past. You wouldn't believe, ther are some who spent maybe 10 - 15 yrs in the movement, and for the last 35 yrs have nothing else to do, then discussing this in endless circles on a discussion forum with 50 posts a week, where every single post is counted meticulously. I just met a friend in India, who was long time part of a different movement. Due to some reason the Guru decided to sort of slowly dissolve the whole thing and disappeared from public. Obviously this left a lot of people in a sort of limbo - they are neither in this particular movement anymore, have strong reservations, yet they can't move on. Why? My friend had moved on, he went to Ammachi, lived there in her Ashram, and it looks now that he is still moving on further (to a place that suits him better). What I find here, and in this story that a lot of emotional energy is locked here in the past. I would say this is the main issue. Many people here on this forum urge others again and again to move on, ridicule them if they don't, and yet spend considerable time of their live, in fact longer time, then they actually partook in this movement, just with their spiritual past, sort of refuting the old ideas, concepts etc. They may have in different spiritual movements, with different practices and ideas, and yet they will recall and reiterate the old mindset at any time here on this forum. I seriously think that they are locked in the past. There may be TMers, who still do TM, but in their MIND and consciousness they have moved on. I know some very free thinking TM ers, who even tried out a lot of things, even Purushas. I really don't know the reason for this. Sure, these people would rationalize it away, and say, they just have fun. I surely don't mind people having fun, but what is the joy in quarreling with sometimes the same person you never even saw for decades? Again, I don't know the reason, but I am open to consider that there is some kind of cage around people in a subtle form. Or it is simply an odd tactics of the mind to reassert its own existence - to dwell on past mindsets ad nuseum, to be emotionally fixed to an issue, in either a negative or positive way, it doesn't matter, and invariably this will manifest itself in persons with the opposing view, whom in the worst case you start hating. Unfortunately all this is wasted energy. So I would say, IMO, those people, who are in some kind of limbo, should move on. If they are dissatisfied with their past practice they should COMPLETELY let go of it. Do something else, put yourself into a different mindset, don't stick to the old one either negatively or positively. I completely disagree with Knapp on this point. He himself is the best example why. but at the same time, it a good thing to have a nice objective view of real and honest TM org history, warts and all, even if some of those pieces may contain some bizarre neo-Nazi elements. I knew TMers in my youth you could call Neo-Nazis - in one way, as they clearly referred to that time, and also believed to be reincarnated from there - but the difference to the ordinary interpretation of a Neonazi is, that they would never want to use war or violence at all. Now, in Germany the right szene or Neonazitum is tightly connected with just this - Gewalt. Otherwise the Swastika, forbidden in Germany, is an old Indian symbol which you will even find on the initiation picture. The term Arya
[FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg
--- guyfawkes91 wrote: it looks like fairly standard experimental Electro-KrautRock stuff. Imagine my surprise to have a Google search confirm that electro-Krautrock is an actual musical idiom. Fairfield Life edifies once again!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg
On Jun 27, 2008, at 7:38 AM, Rick Archer wrote: Peter Huebner invited me up to the WYMS suite in the Sonnenburg for tea once. I’m not sure what his motives were. Maybe he thought I was a rising star and wanted to ingratiate himself. It was a somewhat awkward meeting. We weren’t on the same wavelength. I felt funny being served by his sycophants. Did he serve Constant Comment? I don’t remember much else from the meeting. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Extreme Instability as Vedic Chanting continues More Pundits arriving.
Even worse, Maria Sharapova lost in the 2nd round at Wimbledon. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You missed this one Oil touches above $142 http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/27/markets/oil/ and Gloom Descends Over Wall Street Again http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/27/business/27stox.html --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Extreme Instabitlity Continues INTO THIS EVENING. HIGH MOISTURE LEVELS SUPPORT LOCALLY HEAVY RAINS OF 1.5 TO OVER 3 INCHES IN A SHORT TIME. THIS WOULD RESULT IN FLASH FLOODING AND ADDITIONAL RIVER FLOODING. SOME OF THE STRONGEST STORMS MAY ALSO REACH SEVERE LEVELS...MAINLY THIS AFTERNOON INTO THIS EVENING. THE PRIMARY THREAT WILL BE LARGE HAIL UP TO THE SIZE OF NICKELS AND WINDS OF 30 TO 50 MPH WITH ISOLATED GUSTS TO AROUND 60 MPH POSSIBLE. FOR FURTHER INFORMATION ON FLOODING AND FLASH FLOODING...SEE LOCAL HYDROLOGIC... Jai Guru Dev, --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: Are there more pundits coming? And how many will it make total? Thanks OffWorld *** Hagelin announced today on the MOU channel that 250 more pundits are coming soon, but didn't break the pundit total out, noting only that there would be more than 2K YF at dome time once they arrived.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Extreme Instability as Vedic Chanting continues More Pundits arriving.
Has anyone asked the pandits to cease and desist, or at least minimize for the time being, chanting designed to end drought ? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Extreme Instabitlity Continues INTO THIS EVENING. HIGH MOISTURE LEVELS SUPPORT LOCALLY HEAVY RAINS OF 1.5 TO OVER 3 INCHES IN A SHORT TIME. THIS WOULD RESULT IN FLASH FLOODING AND ADDITIONAL RIVER FLOODING. SOME OF THE STRONGEST STORMS MAY ALSO REACH SEVERE LEVELS...MAINLY THIS AFTERNOON INTO THIS EVENING. THE PRIMARY THREAT WILL BE LARGE HAIL UP TO THE SIZE OF NICKELS AND WINDS OF 30 TO 50 MPH WITH ISOLATED GUSTS TO AROUND 60 MPH POSSIBLE. FOR FURTHER INFORMATION ON FLOODING AND FLASH FLOODING...SEE LOCAL HYDROLOGIC... Jai Guru Dev, --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: Are there more pundits coming? And how many will it make total? Thanks OffWorld *** Hagelin announced today on the MOU channel that 250 more pundits are coming soon, but didn't break the pundit total out, noting only that there would be more than 2K YF at dome time once they arrived.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Extreme Instability as Vedic Chanting continues More Pundits arriving.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Extreme Instability Today! THIS HAZARDOUS WEATHER OUTLOOK IS FOR SOUTHEAST IOWA LATER THIS AFTERNOON AND TONIGHT...THUNDERSTORMS WILL DEVELOP RAPIDLY AND QUICKLY EVOLVE INTO A LARGE THUNDERSTORM COMPLEX. THE POTENTIAL EXISTS FOR A SIGNIFICANT SEVERE WEATHER OUTBREAK LATE THIS AFTERNOON AND EVENING DUE TO THE EXTREME INSTABILITY THUNDERSTORMS WILL END THIS MORNING FOLLOWED BY A PERIOD OF QUIET WEATHER THROUGH EARLY AFTERNOON. THIS HAZARDOUS WEATHER OUTLOOK IS FOR SOUTHEAST IOWA AND NORTHEAST MISSOURI. Jai Guru Dev, You forgot to mention the record low for 2008 in the stock market: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121447693916806697.html? mod=hpp_us_whats\ \ http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121447693916806697.html? mod=hpp_us_what\ s\ _news http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121447693916806697.html? mod=hpp_us_what\ \ http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121447693916806697.html? mod=hpp_us_what\ \ s_news Are there more pundits coming? And how many will it make total? Thanks OffWorld Don't worry. Fairfield is protected for the time being due to Maharishis blessing. But how long will Nature tolerate the hangers- on, the spiritual wampires, the decline in coherence created by these lazy countrymen ? The americans in Fairfield could one day, due to their extreme laziness and interest in other gurus find themselves to be leftovers; left to themselves. That could be the day that an angry Tornado does not steer clear of Fairfield.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Extreme Instability as Vedic Chanting continues More Pundits arriving.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Extreme Instability Today! THIS HAZARDOUS WEATHER OUTLOOK IS FOR SOUTHEAST IOWA LATER THIS AFTERNOON AND TONIGHT...THUNDERSTORMS WILL DEVELOP RAPIDLY AND QUICKLY EVOLVE INTO A LARGE THUNDERSTORM COMPLEX. THE POTENTIAL EXISTS FOR A SIGNIFICANT SEVERE WEATHER OUTBREAK LATE THIS AFTERNOON AND EVENING DUE TO THE EXTREME INSTABILITY THUNDERSTORMS WILL END THIS MORNING FOLLOWED BY A PERIOD OF QUIET WEATHER THROUGH EARLY AFTERNOON. THIS HAZARDOUS WEATHER OUTLOOK IS FOR SOUTHEAST IOWA AND NORTHEAST MISSOURI. Jai Guru Dev, You forgot to mention the record low for 2008 in the stock market: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121447693916806697.html? mod=hpp_us_whats\ \ http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121447693916806697.html? mod=hpp_us_what\ s\ _news http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121447693916806697.html? mod=hpp_us_what\ \ http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121447693916806697.html? mod=hpp_us_what\ \ s_news Are there more pundits coming? And how many will it make total? Thanks OffWorld Don't worry. Fairfield is protected for the time being due to Maharishis blessing. But how long will Nature tolerate the hangers- on, the spiritual wampires, the decline in coherence created by these lazy countrymen ? The americans in Fairfield could one day, due to their extreme laziness and interest in other gurus find themselves to be leftovers; left to themselves. That could be the day that an angry Tornado does not steer clear of Fairfield. There you go Guyfawkes, there is your answer to why people won't abandon belief in the ME. If it doesn't work it will be because of the poisonous influence of Rick Archer and those blaspheming heretics on FFL.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Extreme Instability as Vedic Chanting continues More Pundits arriving.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You missed this one Oil touches above $142 http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/27/markets/oil/ and Gloom Descends Over Wall Street Again http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/27/business/27stox.html Mmmm, maybe folks will start wondering if there's any effect from the YFs at all. Or maybe they'll just shut their eyes and tell each other that it's some purification. Regardless of the ME, the stock market, interest rates, complex derivatives, housing prices, national debt, dollar weakness, inflation, price of oil, price of renewable substitutes, price of food, carbon taxes, employment, technological innovation, productivity, national leadership, all are interrelated. And we are and have witnessed purificaion -- the dot.com bubble cleaned out a lot of speculative fluff and exess in the financial markets. The housing bubble is cleaning-up speculative excess in the housing market. Oil is going through a bubble phase now. When things work themselves out, unwind and reform, there maybe, will be IMO, a much stronger US and world economy: Housing at affordable prices, steadily increasing stock market and pension/retirement funds, oil below $70, many renewables becoming cost competative, a stronger dollar, interest rate stability, low inflation, low unemployment, strong productivity and technology gains, reasonable carbon prices embedded in energy prices -- and far more local food production, and energy production (PV,wind, biomass). That will happen, IMO, due to natural interaction of the above factors, and sequential purification of each market via bubbles. 2-5 years. In 18 months, that the tide is turning will be fairly evident. People in TMOland will point to ME. The very iffy claim of whether ME catalysed the above natural interactions will require far better research. And a far more intelligent and sophisticated theory of ME. How long can they keep up the delusion we all wonder. I reckon a lot of people will be starting to ask if there really is an effect in 2 to 5 years from now. Generally in cases like this there's just a few dissenting voices, then people start telling jokes to each other in private as they lose faith. Then as authority crumbles and dissent becomes more widespread the jokes go public, and people start to ask things like where has our money gone? or other more pointed questions like have we been wasting our time?. Then it just implodes. Standard stuff really. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Extreme Instabitlity Continues INTO THIS EVENING. HIGH MOISTURE LEVELS SUPPORT LOCALLY HEAVY RAINS OF 1.5 TO OVER 3 INCHES IN A SHORT TIME. THIS WOULD RESULT IN FLASH FLOODING AND ADDITIONAL RIVER FLOODING. SOME OF THE STRONGEST STORMS MAY ALSO REACH SEVERE LEVELS...MAINLY THIS AFTERNOON INTO THIS EVENING. THE PRIMARY THREAT WILL BE LARGE HAIL UP TO THE SIZE OF NICKELS AND WINDS OF 30 TO 50 MPH WITH ISOLATED GUSTS TO AROUND 60 MPH POSSIBLE. FOR FURTHER INFORMATION ON FLOODING AND FLASH FLOODING...SEE LOCAL HYDROLOGIC... Jai Guru Dev, --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: Are there more pundits coming? And how many will it make total? Thanks OffWorld *** Hagelin announced today on the MOU channel that 250 more pundits are coming soon, but didn't break the pundit total out, noting only that there would be more than 2K YF at dome time once they arrived.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Extreme Instability as Vedic Chanting continues More Pundits arriving.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There you go Guyfawkes, there is your answer to why people won't abandon belief in the ME. If it doesn't work it will be because of the poisonous influence of Rick Archer A huge cosmic force (unbeknownst to most.) Just wait until you have directly experienced Rick's Visvarupa! and those blaspheming heretics on FFL.
[FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I wonder is whether 'autodidact' is another word for 'jerkoff.' Only The Turq could answer that question.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Extreme Instability as Vedic Chanting continues More Pundits arriving.
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 9:47 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Extreme Instability as Vedic Chanting continues More Pundits arriving. Don't worry. Fairfield is protected for the time being due to Maharishis blessing. But how long will Nature tolerate the hangers- on, the spiritual wampires, the decline in coherence created by these lazy countrymen ? The americans in Fairfield could one day, due to their extreme laziness and interest in other gurus find themselves to be leftovers; left to themselves. That could be the day that an angry Tornado does not steer clear of Fairfield. The only tornado to come close to hitting Fairfield in recent years almost hit the Mansion - a building purchased for King Tony to live in.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Supreme Court Upholds Second Amendment Right to Bear Arms
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WLeed3@ wrote: Subj: Supreme Court Upholds Second Amendment Right to Bear Arms I want the right to arm bears. The key thing that got lost at the last minute at the Constitutional Convention was the real intent of the 2nd ammendment: The right to be armed if you are bare. But only then. Wanna start a rebellion, squash one, or rob a 7/11? You gatta do it naked. (It was a party game Jefferson loved.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm just scratching the surface but, as I said yesterday, just when you think you've seen it all with the outness of TM fallout there's more Geezer; you are just a freak that never bothered to find out what Maharishi was doing. You are one of those lazy fools Mother Nature simply no longer will not tolerate.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Extreme Instability as Vedic Chanting continues More Pundits arriving.
On Jun 27, 2008, at 10:02 AM, Rick Archer wrote: The only tornado to come close to hitting Fairfield in recent years almost hit the Mansion – a building purchased for King Tony to live in. Well there you go Rick--a perfect example proving that the ME *does* work. If it hadn't been for the Mansion's vibes, the big T would have completely demolished the sucker. Always knew you were a closet TB... Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Extreme Instability as Vedic Chanting continues More Pundits arriving.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: Are there more pundits coming? And how many will it make total? Thanks OffWorld *** Hagelin announced today on the MOU channel that 250 more pundits are coming soon, but didn't break the pundit total out, noting only that there would be more than 2K YF at dome time once they arrived. My take is that they will perhaps not stay for very long. And if Pundits go they'll ALL go. It depends on the total sum of american karma. If Maharishi still feels the americans can improove they will stay until the job is done. If He feels the are doomed by their own eveildoing in the world, they will leave rather quickly.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Extreme Instability as Vedic Chanting continues More Pundits arriving.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: Are there more pundits coming? And how many will it make total? Thanks OffWorld *** Hagelin announced today on the MOU channel that 250 more pundits are coming soon, but didn't break the pundit total out, noting only that there would be more than 2K YF at dome time once they arrived. My take is that they will perhaps not stay for very long. And if Pundits go they'll ALL go. It depends on the total sum of american karma. If Maharishi still feels the americans can improove they will stay until the job is done. If He feels the are doomed by their own eveildoing in the world, they will leave rather quickly. Erm, did you hear about Maharishi?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg
--- On Fri, 6/27/08, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, June 27, 2008, 9:54 AM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not everyone hated them. The really really annoying thing was that they had the best girls in Seelisberg chasing them. Feste, how much experience do you have with WYMS? These guys were fucking Nazis, I kid you not. They were rude, arrogant, deceitful, manipulative and even physically violent at times. Very dark souls that Maharishi surrounded himself with in Seelisberg. Supreme pricks that guarded Maharishi. Think of Hitler's inner elite circle of generals and you have WYMS down pat. Everybody hated these supreme assholes. Thats only partially true - they'd hate you because you did not follow the rules, then you hated them because they did something to you because you were sloppy and not followed the rules, which upset you... etcetcetc. Some few were very sweet fellows and many if not all came from prominent nazi families. I suppose they had some issues regarding brits and amis. Hubner is said to have come from a german Noble family, without any talent for writing music, imho. Like many different post-war groups, including the hippies, Maharishi invited them in, protected them from themselves and gave them responsebilities thus changing their focus from destructedness to Light. I met some of the WYMS 20 years after my first encounters with them in Seelisberg and I can assure you; the transformation was immense. But who knows where those that voted to stay in the Black Forest have gone... Good post Nabs...you have the interaction spot on. WYMS expressed the absolute non-flexible quality of Creative Intelligence. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's possible to check if this is real or imagined by asking the swiss police. My guess is that it's a made up story, or if it really happened, an insurance scam. Maybe someone could ask the pilots. Does anyone knows who they were at the time? I don't think we should waste time talking about it unless we know it's for real. Don't worry, few will vaste time speaking to fools like you.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy dancing all over the world
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlfKdbWwruY Thanks for posting this :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ I'm just scratching the surface but, as I said yesterday, just when you think you've seen it all with the outness of TM fallout there's more Geezer; you are just a freak that never bothered to find out what Maharishi was doing. You are one of those lazy fools Mother Nature simply no longer will not tolerate. When I left the movement and spoke with the press, some strident TM believer left a message on my answering machine that nature will silence you. I think some people are attracted to absolutist philosophies to help them feel powerful over other people. The undertone of many of your posts, Nabby, involve you speaking on the side of an absolute power like nature and judging other people from that pedestal of self-righteousness. You attack the person when they have attacked an idea as Geezer did here. He was not attacking you, he was challenging a concept or belief system. Your identification with these ideas compels you to make claims about nature being punitive. This is a common current in your posts Nabby, you speaking as a powerful corrective force over people who don't go along with your perspective on Maharishi. I don't think it helps make a more compelling case for your spiritual POV.
[FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 guyfawkes91@ wrote: Not everyone hated them. The really really annoying thing was that they had the best girls in Seelisberg chasing them. Glad you spoke up. Neither did I. I had never anyproblem with them in the 1 year i worked there in staff, and in the about 6-7 yrs I visited Seelisberg regularely. They were a group in a group, a cult if you like, but I got to know some of them better when they were doing security for the plane - usually 4 of them stayed in Rhineweiler. Some of them were really nice guys. Peter Huebner was a very friendly, humorous guy, who could entertain whole crowds just joking around. He was self-centered, no doubt, all the Wyms guys thought he was in CC and Richard Wagner reincarnated.I never bought into their philosophy. But they were really hard working, Karma Yogis, if you ask me they were the most hard working people in the movement. I remember that there was once a special project in the press, and we were short of staff. Maharsihi asked in Seelisberg for volunteers, but nobody came, so he ordered the WYMS who did the job. They usually slept very little, it was part of their philosophy, and did a lot of night time jobs. And honestly, as a German I am really pissed off to be associated with Nazi cliches at every opportunity. I just was in India again, and when you say you are from Germany they ask you if you know Adolf Hitler. What shall we tell them? That we aren't proud of him, that we are actually ashamed, that they probably don't know about the holocaust, because in India people seem to think he was a great man. They know nothing of us, of our now democratic culture, of how we changed and how we think, they just thrive on some old cliches, and that pisses me off to be honest. Wyms was doing security at a time this was new, when everybody before had almost free access to Maharishi, people weren't used to it, and were naturally pissed off. And then they were Germans, and unforgivable fault. Well at least we didn't have people running around with machine guns in military attire like you americans had in Rajneshpuram, and at least we didn't poison our Gurus. Germans are not traiters. They are solid wood, they listen, serve and grow. They are the most mediumistic people on this earth; they have the greatest artists and composers on this planet. They are the oldest race in Europe. Whenever I hear an american criticice a german soul I feel like vommiting.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Extreme Instability as Vedic Chanting continues More Pundits arriving.
On Jun 27, 2008, at 11:27 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote: My take is that they will perhaps not stay for very long. And if Pundits go they'll ALL go. It depends on the total sum of american karma. If Maharishi still feels the americans can improove they will stay until the job is done. If He feels the are doomed by their own eveildoing in the world, they will leave rather quickly. Uh, you do realize he died, right?
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 10:10 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm just scratching the surface but, as I said yesterday, just when you think you've seen it all with the outness of TM fallout there's more Geezer; you are just a freak that never bothered to find out what Maharishi was doing. You are one of those lazy fools Mother Nature simply no longer will not tolerate. Don't rub it in Nabby. Mother Nature often spanks him 'till his bottom is pink and makes him go to his room with no supper.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Extreme Instability as Vedic Chanting continues More Pundits arriving.
On Jun 27, 2008, at 11:29 AM, Hugo wrote: Hagelin announced today on the MOU channel that 250 more pundits are coming soon, but didn't break the pundit total out, noting only that there would be more than 2K YF at dome time once they arrived. My take is that they will perhaps not stay for very long. And if Pundits go they'll ALL go. It depends on the total sum of american karma. If Maharishi still feels the americans can improove they will stay until the job is done. If He feels the are doomed by their own eveildoing in the world, they will leave rather quickly. Erm, did you hear about Maharishi? Not oriented to time or placeget out the blue paper...
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Extreme Instability as Vedic Chanting continues More Pundits arriving.
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 10:28 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Extreme Instability as Vedic Chanting continues More Pundits arriving. My take is that they will perhaps not stay for very long. And if Pundits go they'll ALL go. It depends on the total sum of american karma. If Maharishi still feels the americans can improove they will stay until the job is done. If He feels the are doomed by their own eveildoing in the world, they will leave rather quickly. Oh? Is he still phoning instructions to Bevan?
[FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter Huebner invited me up to the WYMS suite in the Sonnenburg for tea once. I'm not sure what his motives were. Maybe he thought I was a rising star and wanted to ingratiate himself. It was a somewhat awkward meeting. We weren't on the same wavelength. I felt funny being served by his sycophants. I don't remember much else from the meeting. Americans love to portray themselves as important. Just read The Turq and his neverending stories of his involment with the Movement thirty - 3o - years ago. What an imoprtant soul ! Rick may not remember much, but I'm sure Hubner recalls meeting this wannabe.
[FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- On Fri, 6/27/08, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And then they[wyms] were Germans, and unforgivable fault. The fact that the WYMS dudes were German was completely irrelevant. They were so despised because of their behavior. They were the beginning of the end for the movement. Probably Europeans have a few longstanding feelings about Germans, but Americans don't. Well, yes and no. The fact that they behaved in very gestapo like fashion AND spoke German (or English with heavy German accents) only reinforced the impression.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Extreme Instability as Vedic Chanting continues More Pundits arriving.
...And a far more intelligent and sophisticated theory of ME. I'll agree with that. These things are all interelated, and they do all affect each other, which means that they are correlated, and that's what coherence is. Using the maths developed in quantum field theory, or condensed matter theory and applying it to economics or sociology is a large and growing area of research. Many discoveries have been made and finance houses are putting millions of dollars into research in the hope that they can get a competitive edge. But none of the discoveries have been integrated into the TMO version of coherence which remains stuck in the very primitive ideas of the early '70s. There is a lot of interesting stuff in this area, but very little of it matches up with what the TMO think and in fact it flatly contradicts it. The present theory of the ME will have to be abandoned at some point because it just doesn't fit the data unless you use a lot of wishful thinking. A deeper and more sophisticated theory will have to take into account the discoveries in this area of research.
[FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael t3rinity@ wrote: Oh my god Vaj - I know what I tell Indians - but what shall I tell you? Good line. My thoughts exactly. You gotta wonder how Vaj got in this position. Lousy karma and not having a clue about Buddhism. IMHO.
[FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ I'm just scratching the surface but, as I said yesterday, just when you think you've seen it all with the outness of TM fallout there's more Geezer; you are just a freak that never bothered to find out what Maharishi was doing. You are one of those lazy fools Mother Nature simply no longer will not tolerate. Thanks for the heads up Nabby. I'll make it a point not to buy any Long Playing LPs.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Extreme Instability as Vedic Chanting continues More Pundits arriving.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 9:47 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Extreme Instability as Vedic Chanting continues More Pundits arriving. Don't worry. Fairfield is protected for the time being due to Maharishis blessing. But how long will Nature tolerate the hangers- on, the spiritual wampires, the decline in coherence created by these lazy countrymen ? The americans in Fairfield could one day, due to their extreme laziness and interest in other gurus find themselves to be leftovers; left to themselves. That could be the day that an angry Tornado does not steer clear of Fairfield. The only tornado to come close to hitting Fairfield in recent years almost hit the Mansion - a building purchased for King Tony to live in. That's right; almost.
[FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ I'm just scratching the surface but, as I said yesterday, just when you think you've seen it all with the outness of TM fallout there's more Geezer; you are just a freak that never bothered to find out what Maharishi was doing. You are one of those lazy fools Mother Nature simply no longer will not tolerate. When I left the movement and spoke with the press, some strident TM believer left a message on my answering machine that nature will silence you. I think some people are attracted to absolutist philosophies to help them feel powerful over other people. The undertone of many of your posts, Nabby, involve you speaking on the side of an absolute power like nature and judging other people from that pedestal of self-righteousness. You attack the person when they have attacked an idea as Geezer did here. He was not attacking you, he was challenging a concept or belief system. Your identification with these ideas compels you to make claims about nature being punitive. This is a common current in your posts Nabby, you speaking as a powerful corrective force over people who don't go along with your perspective on Maharishi. I don't think it helps make a more compelling case for your spiritual POV. I know that most men, including those who are at ease with problems of the greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the simplest and most obvious truth if it be such as would oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions which they had delighted in explaining to colleagues, which they had proudly taught to others, and which they had woven, thread by thread, into the fabric of their lives. ~~ L. Tolstoy
[FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thats only partially true - they'd hate you because you did not follow the rules, then you hated them because they did something to you because you were sloppy and not followed the rules, which upset you... etcetcetc. Some few were very sweet fellows and many if not all came from prominent nazi families. I suppose they had some issues regarding brits and amis. Hubner is said to have come from a german Noble family, without any talent for writing music, imho. Like many different post-war groups, including the hippies, Maharishi invited them in, protected them from themselves and gave them responsebilities thus changing their focus from destructedness to Light. I met some of the WYMS 20 years after my first encounters with them in Seelisberg and I can assure you; the transformation was immense. But who knows where those that voted to stay in the Black Forest have gone... Good post Nabs...you have the interaction spot on. WYMS expressed the absolute non-flexible quality of Creative Intelligence. WYMS split in two groups; the flexible ones, mainly those with a lot and close exposure to MMY and Creative Intelligence went to Vlodrop. The non-flexible ones stayed in the Black Forest. Now, what was it you were saying ? :-)
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 11:05 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter Huebner invited me up to the WYMS suite in the Sonnenburg for tea once. I'm not sure what his motives were. Maybe he thought I was a rising star and wanted to ingratiate himself. It was a somewhat awkward meeting. We weren't on the same wavelength. I felt funny being served by his sycophants. I don't remember much else from the meeting. Americans love to portray themselves as important. Just read The Turq and his neverending stories of his involment with the Movement thirty - 3o - years ago. What an imoprtant soul ! Rick may not remember much, but I'm sure Hubner recalls meeting this wannabe. Important? Yeah, having tea with Peter Huebner was the pinnacle of my career. It was all downhill from there.
[FairfieldLife] Vedic Observatory (was Re: My visit to Seelisberg)
I was fascinated by a tour of the full-size Maharishi Vedic Observatory when I was in Fairfield for a class reunion in 1999. It helped that one of enterprise's founders, Tim Fitz-Randolph, led the tour. If anybody in this forum visits Fairfield for the course this summer, I highly recommend the Observatory tour. I don't recall the specifics, but it was a great blend of astronomy and veda. Those instruments are ingenious. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer wrote: On Behalf Of Hugo Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 1:11 AM geezerfreak wrote: yifuxero wrote: -Here's one of the cities in a bubble. Still costs only $3,500.: http://www.vedicobservatory.org/Products.html Holy gulabjamin! This is for real! And just when I thought I'd seen the bottom of the pit of strange that the TMO has become. Does anyone know if they (whoever they are) ever sold any? There is one in the UKs dome in Skelmersdale. When I heard they'd bought an observatory I thought it was good that we could combine astronomy with rounding. I didn't realise it meant something you OBSERVE. Tis bizarre and I still don't know what it's supposed to be doing when you look at it, aligning your mind with cosmic something or others I suspect. When they first came out Maharishi explained that it made your mind coherent just to look at the thing, so people would stand and stare at it as they came out of the dome.
[FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ I'm just scratching the surface but, as I said yesterday, just when you think you've seen it all with the outness of TM fallout there's more Geezer; you are just a freak that never bothered to find out what Maharishi was doing. You are one of those lazy fools Mother Nature simply no longer will not tolerate. When I left the movement and spoke with the press, some strident TM believer left a message on my answering machine that nature will silence you. I think some people are attracted to absolutist philosophies to help them feel powerful over other people. The undertone of many of your posts, Nabby, involve you speaking on the side of an absolute power like nature and judging other people from that pedestal of self-righteousness. You attack the person when they have attacked an idea as Geezer did here. He was not attacking you, he was challenging a concept or belief system. Your identification with these ideas compels you to make claims about nature being punitive. This is a common current in your posts Nabby, you speaking as a powerful corrective force over people who don't go along with your perspective on Maharishi. I don't think it helps make a more compelling case for your spiritual POV. I respect your opinion. And I very much doubt that Movement-people sent you such messanges. Please do not be naive to what powers Maharishi and Guru Dev challenge. I certainly do not threaten fools like G.Freak, I have better things to do :-) When I speak as I speak it is not as a defender of Maharishi who needs no defender whosever. Nor am I a denouncer of american values. I speak only about what I see.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg
On Jun 27, 2008, at 11:22 AM, do.rflex wrote: I know that most men, including those who are at ease with problems of the greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the simplest and most obvious truth if it be such as would oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions which they had delighted in explaining to colleagues, which they had proudly taught to others, and which they had woven, thread by thread, into the fabric of their lives. ~~ L. Tolstoy After which he went out and promptly got plastered. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't rub it in Nabby. Mother Nature often spanks him 'till his bottom is pink and makes him go to his room with no supper. :-)
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 12:05 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg When I left the movement and spoke with the press, some strident TM believer left a message on my answering machine that nature will silence you. I think some people are attracted to absolutist philosophies to help them feel powerful over other people. I respect your opinion. And I very much doubt that Movement-people sent you such messanges. Please do not be naive to what powers Maharishi and Guru Dev challenge. That sort of thing has happened many times. TMers in Texas threw paint on Shannon Dickson's car when he left the TMO and they regarded him as an enemy. Someone broke into the home of a friend of mine who set up Amma's first visit to Iowa and left a threatening note on her kitchen counter, referring to FF as Maharishi's town.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Extreme Instability as Vedic Chanting continues More Pundits arriving.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My take is that they will perhaps not stay for very long. And if Pundits go they'll ALL go. It depends on the total sum of american karma. If Maharishi still feels the americans can improove they will stay until the job is done. If He feels the are doomed by their own eveildoing in the world, they will leave rather quickly. Oh? Is he still phoning instructions to Bevan? He may be gone and lost to Rick long since His passing. For others He is very much present.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg
On Jun 27, 2008, at 1:14 PM, Rick Archer wrote: I respect your opinion. And I very much doubt that Movement-people sent you such messanges. Please do not be naive to what powers Maharishi and Guru Dev challenge. That sort of thing has happened many times. TMers in Texas threw paint on Shannon Dickson’s car when he left the TMO and they regarded him as an enemy. Someone broke into the home of a friend of mine who set up Amma’s first visit to Iowa and left a threatening note on her kitchen counter, referring to FF as “Maharishi’s town.” A number of us have received death threats from TM whackos.
[FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 11:05 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Peter Huebner invited me up to the WYMS suite in the Sonnenburg for tea once. I'm not sure what his motives were. Maybe he thought I was a rising star and wanted to ingratiate himself. It was a somewhat awkward meeting. We weren't on the same wavelength. I felt funny being served by his sycophants. I don't remember much else from the meeting. Americans love to portray themselves as important. Just read The Turq and his neverending stories of his involment with the Movement thirty - 3o - years ago. What an imoprtant soul ! Rick may not remember much, but I'm sure Hubner recalls meeting this wannabe. Important? Yeah, having tea with Peter Huebner was the pinnacle of my career. It was all downhill from there. Rick, who are interested in the obvious ? Rather, tell us something about which we do not know !
[FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 27, 2008, at 11:22 AM, do.rflex wrote: I know that most men, including those who are at ease with problems of the greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the simplest and most obvious truth if it be such as would oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions which they had delighted in explaining to colleagues, which they had proudly taught to others, and which they had woven, thread by thread, into the fabric of their lives. ~~ L. Tolstoy After which he went out and promptly got plastered. Sal LOL Good for him.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Extreme Instability as Vedic Chanting continues More Pundits arriving.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even worse, Maria Sharapova lost in the 2nd round at Wimbledon. I think this was the collective will of the Brits. Wasn't it last year that they laughed at that awful shriek of hers? KH --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 guyfawkes91@ wrote: You missed this one Oil touches above $142 http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/27/markets/oil/ and Gloom Descends Over Wall Street Again http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/27/business/27stox.html --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Extreme Instabitlity Continues INTO THIS EVENING. HIGH MOISTURE LEVELS SUPPORT LOCALLY HEAVY RAINS OF 1.5 TO OVER 3 INCHES IN A SHORT TIME. THIS WOULD RESULT IN FLASH FLOODING AND ADDITIONAL RIVER FLOODING. SOME OF THE STRONGEST STORMS MAY ALSO REACH SEVERE LEVELS...MAINLY THIS AFTERNOON INTO THIS EVENING. THE PRIMARY THREAT WILL BE LARGE HAIL UP TO THE SIZE OF NICKELS AND WINDS OF 30 TO 50 MPH WITH ISOLATED GUSTS TO AROUND 60 MPH POSSIBLE. FOR FURTHER INFORMATION ON FLOODING AND FLASH FLOODING...SEE LOCAL HYDROLOGIC... Jai Guru Dev, --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: Are there more pundits coming? And how many will it make total? Thanks OffWorld *** Hagelin announced today on the MOU channel that 250 more pundits are coming soon, but didn't break the pundit total out, noting only that there would be more than 2K YF at dome time once they arrived.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Supreme Court Upholds Second Amendment Right to Bear Arms
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Supreme Court Upholds Second Amendment Right to Bear Arms BELLEVUE, WA â With today's ruling on the case of District of Columbia v. Heller, America has begun its long march back toward liberty under a Second Amendment that means what it says, the Second Amendment Foundation said. Today's ruling by the Supreme Court should forever put to rest any contention that the right to keep and bear arms is not a fundamental, individual civil right, said SAF founder Alan M. Gottlieb. Bill, It's always amazed me that Maharishi always acted very right of center in his financial and social dealings, while people who lean very far to the left thought he was agreeing with them. It's very puzzling. JohnY
[FairfieldLife] Vedic Observatory (was Re: My visit to Seelisberg)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was fascinated by a tour of the full-size Maharishi Vedic Observatory when I was in Fairfield for a class reunion in 1999. It helped that one of enterprise's founders, Tim Fitz-Randolph, led the tour. If anybody in this forum visits Fairfield for the course this summer, I highly recommend the Observatory tour. I don't recall the specifics, but it was a great blend of astronomy and veda. Those instruments are ingenious. Those instruments provides a glimpse into the genius of Maharishi and Guru Dev. When built full-scale, which will happen soon, it will blow the minds of even Buddhists, reminding and enlivening our true nature of Bliss.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Extreme Instability as Vedic Chanting continues More Pundits arriving.
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 12:16 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Extreme Instability as Vedic Chanting continues More Pundits arriving. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My take is that they will perhaps not stay for very long. And if Pundits go they'll ALL go. It depends on the total sum of american karma. If Maharishi still feels the americans can improove they will stay until the job is done. If He feels the are doomed by their own eveildoing in the world, they will leave rather quickly. Oh? Is he still phoning instructions to Bevan? He may be gone and lost to Rick long since His passing. For others He is very much present. And giving specific instructions regarding the pundits based on how he feels about the Americans?
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vaj Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 12:26 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg On Jun 27, 2008, at 1:14 PM, Rick Archer wrote: I respect your opinion. And I very much doubt that Movement-people sent you such messanges. Please do not be naive to what powers Maharishi and Guru Dev challenge. That sort of thing has happened many times. TMers in Texas threw paint on Shannon Dickson's car when he left the TMO and they regarded him as an enemy. Someone broke into the home of a friend of mine who set up Amma's first visit to Iowa and left a threatening note on her kitchen counter, referring to FF as Maharishi's town. A number of us have received death threats from TM whackos. Including Amma. Three such threats before her first visit here.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 12:29 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg Important? Yeah, having tea with Peter Huebner was the pinnacle of my career. It was all downhill from there. Rick, who are interested in the obvious ? Rather, tell us something about which we do not know ! Want to hear about my birthmark?
RE: [FairfieldLife] Vedic Observatory (was Re: My visit to Seelisberg)
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 12:39 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Vedic Observatory (was Re: My visit to Seelisberg) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was fascinated by a tour of the full-size Maharishi Vedic Observatory when I was in Fairfield for a class reunion in 1999. It helped that one of enterprise's founders, Tim Fitz-Randolph, led the tour. If anybody in this forum visits Fairfield for the course this summer, I highly recommend the Observatory tour. I don't recall the specifics, but it was a great blend of astronomy and veda. Those instruments are ingenious. Those instruments provides a glimpse into the genius of Maharishi and Guru Dev. When built full-scale, which will happen soon, it will blow the minds of even Buddhists, reminding and enlivening our true nature of Bliss. The instruments are just copies of an old disintegrating set of instruments that Carl Stone found in India. He decided to make the Vedic Observatory his project, knowing that it would earn him a lot of face time with MMY, which it did.
[FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 12:05 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg When I left the movement and spoke with the press, some strident TM believer left a message on my answering machine that nature will silence you. I think some people are attracted to absolutist philosophies to help them feel powerful over other people. I respect your opinion. And I very much doubt that Movement-people sent you such messanges. Please do not be naive to what powers Maharishi and Guru Dev challenge. That sort of thing has happened many times. You claim this thing; but I do not believe it was done by Governors or anyone connected to the Movement. Governors knows the effect of action and reaction. My suggestion is that you are naive in thinking it was done by Movement-people rather than by those who wants to disgrace the Movement.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Supreme Court Upholds Second Amendment Right to Bear Arms
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] w Bill, It's always amazed me that Maharishi always acted very right of center in his financial and social dealings, while people who lean very far to the left thought he was agreeing with them. It's very puzzling. JohnY Communism is the most intelligent political system. - Maharishi, Germany, March 1982
[FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 27, 2008, at 1:14 PM, Rick Archer wrote: I respect your opinion. And I very much doubt that Movement-people sent you such messanges. Please do not be naive to what powers Maharishi and Guru Dev challenge. That sort of thing has happened many times. TMers in Texas threw paint on Shannon Dickson's car when he left the TMO and they regarded him as an enemy. Someone broke into the home of a friend of mine who set up Amma's first visit to Iowa and left a threatening note on her kitchen counter, referring to FF as Maharishi's town. A number of us have received death threats from TM whackos. Including Amma. Three such threats before her first visit here. Yes, but not from TM-ers or Movement related persons.
[FairfieldLife] Vedic Observatory (was Re: My visit to Seelisberg)
-right, brilliant inventions, inspired by Vedic geniuses. I keep a pic on my desk. -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 12:39 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Vedic Observatory (was Re: My visit to Seelisberg) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: I was fascinated by a tour of the full-size Maharishi Vedic Observatory when I was in Fairfield for a class reunion in 1999. It helped that one of enterprise's founders, Tim Fitz-Randolph, led the tour. If anybody in this forum visits Fairfield for the course this summer, I highly recommend the Observatory tour. I don't recall the specifics, but it was a great blend of astronomy and veda. Those instruments are ingenious. Those instruments provides a glimpse into the genius of Maharishi and Guru Dev. When built full-scale, which will happen soon, it will blow the minds of even Buddhists, reminding and enlivening our true nature of Bliss. The instruments are just copies of an old disintegrating set of instruments that Carl Stone found in India. He decided to make the Vedic Observatory his project, knowing that it would earn him a lot of face time with MMY, which it did.
[FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 12:29 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg Important? Yeah, having tea with Peter Huebner was the pinnacle of my career. It was all downhill from there. Rick, who are interested in the obvious ? Rather, tell us something about which we do not know ! Want to hear about my birthmark? Since it probably is the most intersting piece of information you want to share with us these days; yes please - what birthmark ? :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg
You claim this thing; but I do not believe it was done by Governors or anyone connected to the Movement. Governors knows the effect of action and reaction. My suggestion is that you are naive in thinking it was done by Movement-people rather than by those who wants to disgrace the Movement. It was someone who enjoyed speaking on behalf of nature. It was consistent with the movement POV and was nothing more or less than a POV that Maharishi himself has spouted in his bellicose tirades against people and countries who got in his way. It not only did not disgrace the movement, it was something a movement believer would be proud of: defending the purity of the teaching. It was an accurate expression of Maharishi's doctrine over person philosophy. And here is the hardest part to write... It was a sincere belief that I once held myself about people who left the movement and broke the dysfunctional family no talk rule with the press. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 12:05 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg When I left the movement and spoke with the press, some strident TM believer left a message on my answering machine that nature will silence you. I think some people are attracted to absolutist philosophies to help them feel powerful over other people. I respect your opinion. And I very much doubt that Movement-people sent you such messanges. Please do not be naive to what powers Maharishi and Guru Dev challenge. That sort of thing has happened many times. You claim this thing; but I do not believe it was done by Governors or anyone connected to the Movement. Governors knows the effect of action and reaction. My suggestion is that you are naive in thinking it was done by Movement-people rather than by those who wants to disgrace the Movement.
[FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 12:05 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg When I left the movement and spoke with the press, some strident TM believer left a message on my answering machine that nature will silence you. I think some people are attracted to absolutist philosophies to help them feel powerful over other people. I respect your opinion. And I very much doubt that Movement-people sent you such messanges. Please do not be naive to what powers Maharishi and Guru Dev challenge. That sort of thing has happened many times. You claim this thing; but I do not believe it was done by Governors or anyone connected to the Movement. Governors knows the effect of action and reaction. My suggestion is that you are naive in thinking it was done by Movement-people rather than by those who wants to disgrace the Movement. Nabby you're even a bigger dope than I thought. I used to think your head was in the sand. Now it's clear it's in a deeper, darker place, albeit one with a loose fit.
[FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: here is the hardest part to write... It was a sincere belief that I once held myself about people who left the movement and broke the dysfunctional family no talk rule with the press. Yes, yes Curtis; his is a product of your fantasy, or perhaps the mad amis had other rules to go by than the rest of the international Movement. Who was your NL at the time ?
[FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You claim this thing; but I do not believe it was done by Governors or anyone connected to the Movement. Governors knows the effect of action and reaction. My suggestion is that you are naive in thinking it was done by Movement-people rather than by those who wants to disgrace the Movement. It was someone who enjoyed speaking on behalf of nature. It was consistent with the movement POV and was nothing more or less than a POV that Maharishi himself has spouted in his bellicose tirades against people and countries who got in his way. It not only did not disgrace the movement, it was something a movement believer would be proud of: defending the purity of the teaching. It was an accurate expression of Maharishi's doctrine over person philosophy. And here is the hardest part to write... It was a sincere belief that I once held myself about people who left the movement and broke the dysfunctional family no talk rule with the press. Excellent point Curtis. You're hardly alone in this...to occurred to me one day in Switz that I would do ANYTHING to defend MMY, the teaching and the TMOeven if it meant killing someone. It kind of freaked me out but didn't stop me from continuing on in the same vein for another few years.
[FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nabby you're even a bigger dope than I thought. I used to think your head was in the sand. Now it's clear it's in a deeper, darker place, albeit one with a loose fit. G.Freak; you seem to hope and aspire to be taken seriously. Then, may I suggest you get a checking of your meditation every day for a week. Then report back.
[FairfieldLife] 20-th level troll Huntress Gonzorina
http://www.tinyurl.com/57223d as part of Scientists Invade Azeroth (scientist are planning to set up conferences and experiments within the Azeroth virtual world. (WoW - World of Warcraft). http://www.gonzoscientist.org
[FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would do ANYTHING to defend MMY, the teaching and the TMOeven if it meant killing someone. It kind of freaked me out but didn't stop me from continuing on in the same vein for another few years. Exellent insights into your troubled mind G.Freak. Now, will you PLEASE get a checking ?
