[FairfieldLife] Re: Ayurdent?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone used Ayurdent toothpaste? http://www.mapi.com/en/1-800-255-8332/products/ayurdent.html It's rubbish, it's smelly and it's brown. How you are supposed to clean your teeth with something that's brown I don't know. But I hear rumours of bad breath in the TMO.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ayurdent?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: Anyone used Ayurdent toothpaste? http://www.mapi.com/en/1-800-255-8332/products/ayurdent.html It's rubbish, it's smelly and it's brown. How you are supposed to clean your teeth with something that's brown I don't know. But I hear rumours of bad breath in the TMO.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ayurdent?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: Anyone used Ayurdent toothpaste? http://www.mapi.com/en/1-800-255-8332/products/ayurdent.html It's rubbish, it's smelly and it's brown. How you are supposed to clean your teeth with something that's brown I don't know. But I hear rumours of bad breath in the TMO. I'm afraid ur toothbrush sucks... U should use a Jordan or an Oral B! :0
[FairfieldLife] Forget the bad things....
I don't watch Miami Ink regularly, but happened to see some of the latest episode aired here. At the very end one of the tattooers said something like (paraphrasing) Forget the bad things, remember the good things and... My memory seems nowadays function exactly the other way round. Almost everything I remember from my past is either embarrassing, frustrating or something like that. Wassup? I recently heard that the purpose of memory is not to recall the past but to help plan the future. Is that why it tends to be rather unreliable? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami_Ink
[FairfieldLife] Re: DOME ANNOUNCEMENTS--Celebration Sunday
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: I feel sorry for you, that you are so willing to judge a man adversely when you know so little about him. Number one, do you think he would read anything I write here? Number two, you are being offended on his behalf. Number three, that is s lame. Bingo. From my point of view, feste woke up Saturday morning identifying overmuch with Maharishi and his chosen spiritual path, so much so that he could not tell the difference between something said about either that was merely *different* than what he believed, and something said about either that was an attempt to (in his words) memorably insult, defame, and vilify Maharishi, the man who gave most of them their very first start on the spiritual path. He went on to say, There's gratitude for you. I don't know about anyone else, but I think that feste lost it a tad here. First, not much really got said that was defamatory. In my case, I have only made two posts this week that said anything that anyone could react to negatively about MMY. The first gave my *honest* experience of being around the man for many years, and suggested that I had seen no evidence that he had mastered any siddhis at all (which is true) and that I didn't think he had very much charisma or shakti at all (which is also true, from my POV and based on my experience). That seemed to set him off. The only other mention I made of MMY was an obviously funny suggestion that someone could use some of his rants about Scorpion Nation or about being gay as a video tryout for Joss Whedon's Evil League Of Evil. A few people may have said some things more overtly negative about MMY or about TM, but SO THE FUCKIN' WHAT?! What's that got to do with feste? They're NOT insulting him. They're NOT ragging on him. They're ragging on Maharishi, or Bevan, or in some case a silly idea based in self-importance, that Maharishi was somehow more special than other people. So I just felt the need to wade in here and agree completely with Curtis' assessment above: Number one, do you think he would read anything I write here? Number two, you are being offended on his behalf. Number three, that is s lame. S lame. If someone insults YOU, in this culture you have the right to react, and you can either choose to refute the insult, or do the smart thing and ignore it and the person who hurled the insult completely. Spiritually, the former indicates IMO that you haven't evolved much further than an animal and the latter indicates that you might have some chops, but it's your choice. But when someone insults an IDEA that you believe in, or someone who ISN'T you and you get bent out of shape and uptight about that? That isn't grat- itude, that's just lame.
[FairfieldLife] Maharishi The Special (was Re: Ring clarification)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael James Flatley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Come on, It's such a joy. Take it easyWhite Album song, '68 That's part of my problem with the whole rap. It's mind-numbingly simplistic, and ignores the real complexity of the human personality. I would have to say that the sentence you quoted above could not POSSIBLY be more wrong. As far as I can tell, there has never existed on this planet a being who was either completely positive or completely negative. Every single one of them is a mixture of both. You missed the part about these beings existing on levels beyond us. What I'm attempting to share: Our TMO info. regarding higher states of consciousness is incomplete What WE are trying to share: SO IS YOURS. You're trying to come off as if you know shit that we don't. Nothing you've said so far indicates to me that this is true. What you seem to have done, as Curtis suggested, is exchange one set of Woo Woo Stories for another set of Woo Woo Stories. You're still *completely* stuck in Magical Woo Woo Thinking. The positive orientation for a human, on earth is somebody who is at least 50% interested in supporting others, serving others, etc. 51% is enough to be STO service to others oriented. Somehow I suspect that if I knew the kinds of books you've been reading and the teacher types you have spent time around since leaving TM, I could find this exact sentence above, *verbatim*, having been said or written by one or more of them. In other words, dude, YOU ARE SPOUTING DOGMA. You are trying to propose a model for existence and How Things Work as if it's higher than ours, and as if YOU know all about it, and we don't. As I read how Curtis is reacting, and certainly as I am reacting, neither of us CARES about your model. We think it's Just More Bullshit Dogma. We're not ragging on the model per se, because it is of no interest to us whatsoever. We're just pointing out to you that you seem to be doing the exact same thing that Maharishi did -- proposing models of How The World Works and trying to get people to believe in them as if you had some kind of 'authority' or super- ior knowledge that other people don't. Just to clarify -- I have NO INTEREST in any of your silly models about How The World Works. My path, if one could call it that, is about rejecting ALL such models and just dealing with the world as what it is, not what I'd like to believe it is. You seem to favor another path. Cool. May it bring you great happiness. But don't try so hard to try to sell your path to me, as if it's superior. I don't buy that it is, or that you are. This is to some extent a forum full of EQUALS. Not one person here has any credentials or authority that sets them above another. You're not going to be the first to try to change that, but you're also not going to be the first to achieve it, either. In other words, you might consider lightening up and trying to have more fun with the place instead of trying to teach us things. We're not buying.
[FairfieldLife] Exploring the FFL Home Page: ...more than that.
This is just a thread to celebrate (and possibly discuss) some of the quotes that Rick has chosen for the Fairfield Life home page. I think it's a pretty neat home page, one that says a great deal in a very few words, and hints at what this group is all about better than most such desc- riptions of spiritual chat groups. The selection of quotes is tremendous IMO, and taken as a whole they form a great finger pointing to the FFL moon. My favorite quote of the day, the one that leapt off the page at me this morning, is: Whatever you think, it's more than that ~ Incredible String Band I love this. It strikes a resonance with me as I read the different posts here and on other spiritual forums and notice the fondness that a lot of people seem to have for models. People seem fairly fond of -- one could even say attached to -- their models. They tend to prosyletize their models and argue endlessly about the supremacy of their own preferred models for The Universe And How It All Work over other such models. Call me jaded or low-vibe, but that just doesn't float my boat. I've never met a model I liked nearly as much as the thing it was trying to model. (Before someone else points it out, I will admit that for me Victoria's Secret models *are* an exception to this general rule of thumb.) But many spiritual groups seem to have a favorite model for The Universe And How It All Works. Personally, I'm not con- vinced that any of these models are terribly accurate, or terribly useful to the spiritual aspirant, so this quote from the ISB strikes a resonance with me. IMO, yer average model of The Universe And How It All Works as proposed by religion and by spiritual groups tends to look something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v01wtLJzXRo whereas yer average model of the universe as proposed by science tends to look more like this: http://www.motodom.com/universe.gif and the actual universe, were anyone able to really per- ceive and comprehend it, would probably render both of these models laughable. If I were to play the model game and try to come up with one for The Universe And How It All Works, it would prob- ably be the image of a smiling Zen master answering the student's latest try at answering the koan the Zen Master had sent him off to ponder. And the Zen master replies with the same three words he has used to reply to all 6,937,270,276 of the student's previous answers: More than that. HOWEVER we choose to model The Universe And How It All Works, it's more than that. We will never know How It All Works. IMO, realizing that and being able to smile about it the same way the Zen master does may just be the right answer to his koan.
[FairfieldLife] Cheesus
In the quest for a topic even more interesting than last week's discussion of crop circles, may I suggest: http://www.asylum.com/2008/08/01/cheesus-woman-sees-christ-in-snack-food/?icid=100214839x1207025286x1200364415 or http://tinyurl.com/5hrwkl I'm thinkin' true miracle and a sign that Sat Yuga is finally dawning. How 'bout you?
[FairfieldLife] 6.6 Degrees Of Separation
Fascinating. That old saw that we are only six introductions away from any other person on the planet turns out to be true: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/aug/03/internet.email
Re: [FairfieldLife] Cheesus
My favorite sign that the Sat Yuga was about to dawn was the report of Guru Dev manifesting at a rock concert and all the people around him beginning to hurl (apparently due to rapid unstressing of their vile karma). Frankly I always thought of Guru Dev as more the rave type. Rock concerts, perhaps being more tamasic, were perhaps a better target for his Darshanic Unstressing Powers (DUP™). On Aug 3, 2008, at 7:23 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: In the quest for a topic even more interesting than last week's discussion of crop circles, may I suggest: http://www.asylum.com/2008/08/01/cheesus-woman-sees-christ-in-snack-food/?icid=100214839x1207025286x1200364415 or http://tinyurl.com/5hrwkl I'm thinkin' true miracle and a sign that Sat Yuga is finally dawning. How 'bout you?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Exploring the FFL Home Page: ...more than that.
Thank you.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Exploring the FFL Home Page: ...more than that.
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TurquoiseB Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 5:51 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Exploring the FFL Home Page: ...more than that. Whatever you think, it's more than that ~ Incredible String Band That line is from the song Job's Tears, which you can listen to here: http://searchsummit.com/songs/songs-sent.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: DOME ANNOUNCEMENTS--Celebration Sunday
I just don't think jokes about fat people are funny, that's all. Especially when you pack about 20 of them in one post. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: I feel sorry for you, that you are so willing to judge a man adversely when you know so little about him. Cool if you pity me for my lack of enlightenmentitudidnessinhoodedment. I thought you were mad at me and trying to put me down like you were accusing me of doing with Bevan. I saw Bevan at the July 4 picnic and he looked in pretty good health. So the bar has been lowered from Perfect Health in the direction of Immortality to pretty good huh? So I'll look forward to him changing all the literature to Achieving the direction of Pretty Good Health in the Age of Enlightenment then so he doesn't, you know, look like a complete hypocrite. My point was that he doesn't show any signs that his magic Vedic snake oil is working. And what you wrote confirms that. But of course, you wouldn't be interested in that, would you? You're just out to pour ridicule on him. Make you feel good, does it? I don't know, did you just feel good from your little passive aggressive dig? Number one, do you think he would read anything I write here? Number two, you are being offended on his behalf. Number three, that is s lame. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Yep, sure is going to be a good week. Making fun of fat people now. Anything goes, as long as the target is the TMO or the people in it. You mean the obese guy claiming to have the secret for perfect health in the direction of immortality? The guy claiming to have the secret of world peace and perfect social behavior who acts like a rock star with the married women of Fairfield? That guy? You betcha! He is a target for denying an obvious reality: He doesn't even have the most basic understanding of health handled. And he isn't a poster child for peace of any kind, inner or outer. Just another bloated hypocrite who deserves the raspberry from me. If it makes you feel any better, I had the same reaction to Dr. Phil coming out with a diet book. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays dickmays@ wrote: Celebrate The Final Event of our Invincible America One Month Assembly with the Prime Minister of the Global Country of World Peace, Dr. Bevan Morris. Dr. Morris will be Speaking from Holland His topic: Consolidating my Power Base in Light of Those Damn Indians Busting a Move on the Organization I Inherited, God dammit! I earned it by decades of ass kissing and I'm not gunna give it up without a fight! Also there will be a short talk entitled: Tips for Making the Most of an All You Can Eat Buffet: Secrets from a Master Gorger. Moving from the fullness of fullness to even more fullness and then finding room for even more fullness. (There is always room for the Maharaja.) He will be introduced as: On my near left and my extreme left.. When he steps on a scale it says: One at a time. Bevan is so fat, he shows up on radar. Bevan is so fat, he leaves footprints in concrete! Bill was so fat when he stepped on the scale it said, To be continued. Bevan is so fat, he has his own area code. Bevan is so fat NASA orbits satellites around him. Bevan is so big, he plays hopscotch like, Texas...Alabama...North Carolina...Pennsylvania... I know a guy named Bevan that is so fat he has to wake up in sections. And then there is Bevan. He has so many double chins he looks like he is staring at you over a pile of pancakes. Seriously though, Bevan isn't fat, he insists he's just 4 feed too short. But Bevan takes the cake. Once he jumped into the gulf in Panama City and the tide came in at Myrtle Beach. Bevan's so fat, when he broke his leg, gravy poured out! Bevan is so fat, they use his belt to measure the Earth's equator. The guy is so fat, if someone would melt him down, they'd have enough oil to power Detroit for a month! Bevan is so fat, if he wore a GoodYear hat, he'd look like a blimp. Bevan is so fat he was baptized in Sea World. Bevan is so fat, he had his baby pictures taken by satellite. Bevan is so fat, people jog around him for exercise. Bevan is so fat when they step on the scale it says, No live stock please. Bevan's so fat he needs a VCR for a pager Bevan `s so fat that his belly
[FairfieldLife] Re: DOME ANNOUNCEMENTS--Celebration Sunday
Well, Turq devotes an entire rant to me. I'm truly honored. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: I feel sorry for you, that you are so willing to judge a man adversely when you know so little about him. Number one, do you think he would read anything I write here? Number two, you are being offended on his behalf. Number three, that is s lame. Bingo. From my point of view, feste woke up Saturday morning identifying overmuch with Maharishi and his chosen spiritual path, so much so that he could not tell the difference between something said about either that was merely *different* than what he believed, and something said about either that was an attempt to (in his words) memorably insult, defame, and vilify Maharishi, the man who gave most of them their very first start on the spiritual path. He went on to say, There's gratitude for you. I don't know about anyone else, but I think that feste lost it a tad here. First, not much really got said that was defamatory. In my case, I have only made two posts this week that said anything that anyone could react to negatively about MMY. The first gave my *honest* experience of being around the man for many years, and suggested that I had seen no evidence that he had mastered any siddhis at all (which is true) and that I didn't think he had very much charisma or shakti at all (which is also true, from my POV and based on my experience). That seemed to set him off. The only other mention I made of MMY was an obviously funny suggestion that someone could use some of his rants about Scorpion Nation or about being gay as a video tryout for Joss Whedon's Evil League Of Evil. A few people may have said some things more overtly negative about MMY or about TM, but SO THE FUCKIN' WHAT?! What's that got to do with feste? They're NOT insulting him. They're NOT ragging on him. They're ragging on Maharishi, or Bevan, or in some case a silly idea based in self-importance, that Maharishi was somehow more special than other people. So I just felt the need to wade in here and agree completely with Curtis' assessment above: Number one, do you think he would read anything I write here? Number two, you are being offended on his behalf. Number three, that is s lame. S lame. If someone insults YOU, in this culture you have the right to react, and you can either choose to refute the insult, or do the smart thing and ignore it and the person who hurled the insult completely. Spiritually, the former indicates IMO that you haven't evolved much further than an animal and the latter indicates that you might have some chops, but it's your choice. But when someone insults an IDEA that you believe in, or someone who ISN'T you and you get bent out of shape and uptight about that? That isn't grat- itude, that's just lame.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: DOME ANNOUNCEMENTS--Celebration Sunday
On Aug 2, 2008, at 11:19 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: I'm actually a Bevan fan. My contact with him in '77 was pleasant and I found him inspiring, clear-minded, and having the best leadership qualities of anyone I've ever had contact with in the TMO. Notice how Shemp laid out his POV without the snippiness digs? He has his own opinion and doesn't care about what other people think about Bevan. I respect that. We are each entitled to describe the elephant from whatever part we are near...oh I guess that was an unfortunate choice of analogy wasn't it? How tactless of me! Curtis, Believe it or not, I'm a fan of Bev's too. He is, in a sense, responsible for my having moved here, where I've never been happier, to my surprise, and which my kids absolutely love. I'll save the snippiness for the next post. Stay tuned. :) Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: DOME ANNOUNCEMENTS--Celebration Sunday
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: feste37 feste37@ wrote: Ah, so Bevan's a thief now, too. Yes, of course. Why not. Anyone else care to contribute something? I'm actually a Bevan fan. My contact with him in '77 was pleasant and I found him inspiring, clear-minded, and having the best leadership qualities of anyone I've ever had contact with in the TMO. He was nice to me when I had a toothache in Vittel, France back around '76. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Dick Mays dickmays@ wrote: Dr. Morris will be Speaking from Holland Dr. (?) Om, where did he get his, Phd.(?) Or did he become an DVM or, MD? I was on his sidhis course with him. Does that make me, a Dr.(?). We're old pals from then. Drs. Times of study together. Jai Guru Dev too, -Doug in FF Nay, nay, nay. I never went on to raised nor stoled nearly the amount of money he has. He deserves the titles entirely. I'm a nobody by contrast. I'm just a citizen, by comparison. Just, -Doug fra FF
Re: [FairfieldLife] 6.6 Degrees Of Separation
On Aug 3, 2008, at 6:30 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Fascinating. That old saw that we are only six introductions away from any other person on the planet turns out to be true: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/aug/03/internet.email Supposedly the same is true for genealogy--if you go back 5 or 6 generations, you can find a common ancestor with just about anyone. Or so I've heard. Yep, feste, that means you're probably pretty closely related to one or more of the twits on this forum who annoy you so much, including me. :) Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: DOME ANNOUNCEMENTS--Celebration Sunday
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just don't think jokes about fat people are funny, that's all. Especially when you pack about 20 of them in one post. Well when you put it like that, I have to agree. I thought the absurdity of cutting and pasting a website page of them and then searching and replacing Yo Mamma for Bevan was funny in itself. But on the general principle of fat jokes being stupid, I'm with ya. And I didn't mean it as a dig at people's weight, it was his hypocrisy I was lampooning. Anyone with actual weight issues (including my own lack of 6 pack abs BTW) doesn't deserve any shit from me (well I deserve shit from me actually). But when you pitch the answer to all the world's problems as he does, get ready for a few tomatoes if you don't seem to be walking the talk. And I would like to offer a huge, big fat, humongous, elephantine, immense, corpulent, apology to Mr. Fullenss of Fullness himself, Bevan. Fair enough? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: I feel sorry for you, that you are so willing to judge a man adversely when you know so little about him. Cool if you pity me for my lack of enlightenmentitudidnessinhoodedment. I thought you were mad at me and trying to put me down like you were accusing me of doing with Bevan. I saw Bevan at the July 4 picnic and he looked in pretty good health. So the bar has been lowered from Perfect Health in the direction of Immortality to pretty good huh? So I'll look forward to him changing all the literature to Achieving the direction of Pretty Good Health in the Age of Enlightenment then so he doesn't, you know, look like a complete hypocrite. My point was that he doesn't show any signs that his magic Vedic snake oil is working. And what you wrote confirms that. But of course, you wouldn't be interested in that, would you? You're just out to pour ridicule on him. Make you feel good, does it? I don't know, did you just feel good from your little passive aggressive dig? Number one, do you think he would read anything I write here? Number two, you are being offended on his behalf. Number three, that is s lame. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Yep, sure is going to be a good week. Making fun of fat people now. Anything goes, as long as the target is the TMO or the people in it. You mean the obese guy claiming to have the secret for perfect health in the direction of immortality? The guy claiming to have the secret of world peace and perfect social behavior who acts like a rock star with the married women of Fairfield? That guy? You betcha! He is a target for denying an obvious reality: He doesn't even have the most basic understanding of health handled. And he isn't a poster child for peace of any kind, inner or outer. Just another bloated hypocrite who deserves the raspberry from me. If it makes you feel any better, I had the same reaction to Dr. Phil coming out with a diet book. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays dickmays@ wrote: Celebrate The Final Event of our Invincible America One Month Assembly with the Prime Minister of the Global Country of World Peace, Dr. Bevan Morris. Dr. Morris will be Speaking from Holland His topic: Consolidating my Power Base in Light of Those Damn Indians Busting a Move on the Organization I Inherited, God dammit! I earned it by decades of ass kissing and I'm not gunna give it up without a fight! Also there will be a short talk entitled: Tips for Making the Most of an All You Can Eat Buffet: Secrets from a Master Gorger. Moving from the fullness of fullness to even more fullness and then finding room for even more fullness. (There is always room for the Maharaja.) He will be introduced as: On my near left and my extreme left.. When he steps on a scale it says: One at a time. Bevan is so fat, he shows up on radar. Bevan is so fat, he leaves footprints in concrete! Bill was so fat when he stepped on the scale it said, To be continued. Bevan is so fat, he has his own area code. Bevan is so fat NASA orbits satellites around him. Bevan is so big, he plays hopscotch like, Texas...Alabama...North Carolina...Pennsylvania... I know a guy named Bevan that is so fat he has to wake up in sections. And
[FairfieldLife] Integral Psych videos
Did you get a chance to see the videos I posted for you? That should give you some idea of how practical a model it is. It kept asking me to download the latest Real Player. I couldn't get it to play on my Dell quad-core system. I'll try it another computer. I'm eclectic... I find value in a broad variety of systems. Nothing beats living in the question. Question everything. I kept asking questions for decades. It looks like I just found new brainwashing to replace the old brainwashing... We require some programming to function. And we have to know that our thoughts and feelings correspond with awareness we're unwilling to have. You guys are wise to resist all dogmas. -MJF
[FairfieldLife] Re: 6.6 Degrees Of Separation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 3, 2008, at 6:30 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Fascinating. That old saw that we are only six introductions away from any other person on the planet turns out to be true: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/aug/03/internet.email Supposedly the same is true for genealogy--if you go back 5 or 6 generations, you can find a common ancestor with just about anyone. Or so I've heard. Interesting problem. I think that assumes very large family sizes, around 13 -- which was true in past generations for births, but I don't think so for propogating progeny -- a LOT died in childhood from what I have seen of past geneologies. (by my calcs) 7 degrees of 13 kids each having 13 kids ... for 7 generations gets you 8 billion current relatives. Though that assumes marriages across cultures for 7 generations -- and breaks down I suppose for relatives in Sudan or where ever. For relatives in the same country countries, its a bit less, 6 generations of 12 kids each bears 200 mil relatives. Back to the acquaintance level problem, most of us are accelerated. We knew MMY, he knew vastly many people. Its probably only a jump, or two, from there to most in the world.
[FairfieldLife] Re: DOME ANNOUNCEMENTS--Celebration Sunday
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, Turq devotes an entire rant to me. I'm truly honored. No, no,no feste. Turq wasn't ranting on, or insulting YOU, only your ideas. As always. Because insulting PEOPLE would indicate that he haven't evolved much further than an animal. If someone insults YOU, in this culture you have the right to react, and you can either choose to refute the insult, or do the smart thing and ignore it and the person who hurled the insult completely. Spiritually, the former indicates IMO that you haven't evolved much further than an animal and the latter indicates that you might have some chops, but it's your choice. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: I feel sorry for you, that you are so willing to judge a man adversely when you know so little about him. Number one, do you think he would read anything I write here? Number two, you are being offended on his behalf. Number three, that is s lame. Bingo. From my point of view, feste woke up Saturday morning identifying overmuch with Maharishi and his chosen spiritual path, so much so that he could not tell the difference between something said about either that was merely *different* than what he believed, and something said about either that was an attempt to (in his words) memorably insult, defame, and vilify Maharishi, the man who gave most of them their very first start on the spiritual path. He went on to say, There's gratitude for you. I don't know about anyone else, but I think that feste lost it a tad here. First, not much really got said that was defamatory. In my case, I have only made two posts this week that said anything that anyone could react to negatively about MMY. The first gave my *honest* experience of being around the man for many years, and suggested that I had seen no evidence that he had mastered any siddhis at all (which is true) and that I didn't think he had very much charisma or shakti at all (which is also true, from my POV and based on my experience). That seemed to set him off. The only other mention I made of MMY was an obviously funny suggestion that someone could use some of his rants about Scorpion Nation or about being gay as a video tryout for Joss Whedon's Evil League Of Evil. A few people may have said some things more overtly negative about MMY or about TM, but SO THE FUCKIN' WHAT?! What's that got to do with feste? They're NOT insulting him. They're NOT ragging on him. They're ragging on Maharishi, or Bevan, or in some case a silly idea based in self-importance, that Maharishi was somehow more special than other people. So I just felt the need to wade in here and agree completely with Curtis' assessment above: Number one, do you think he would read anything I write here? Number two, you are being offended on his behalf. Number three, that is s lame. S lame. If someone insults YOU, in this culture you have the right to react, and you can either choose to refute the insult, or do the smart thing and ignore it and the person who hurled the insult completely. Spiritually, the former indicates IMO that you haven't evolved much further than an animal and the latter indicates that you might have some chops, but it's your choice. But when someone insults an IDEA that you believe in, or someone who ISN'T you and you get bent out of shape and uptight about that? That isn't grat- itude, that's just lame.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Integral Psych videos
Michael James Flatley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip You guys are wise to resist all dogmas. Michael, I want to thank you for your assurances that many of us are on the path, or at least the right way of thinking. I think considerable doubt existed until you deigned it appropiate to come on board, and reinforce some the discussions we have had over the years. Is there anything we can do to offer proper thanks to you?
[FairfieldLife] Re: DOME ANNOUNCEMENTS--Celebration Sunday
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Well, Turq devotes an entire rant to me. I'm truly honored. No, no,no feste. Turq wasn't ranting on, or insulting YOU, only your ideas. As always. Because insulting PEOPLE would indicate that he haven't evolved much further than an animal. Ha! (As seems to be fashionable). Do we get to choose what animal we can be? I think sloth would suit me fine. Bagsie! Mine! If someone insults YOU, in this culture you have the right to react, and you can either choose to refute the insult, or do the smart thing and ignore it and the person who hurled the insult completely. Spiritually, the former indicates IMO that you haven't evolved much further than an animal and the latter indicates that you might have some chops, but it's your choice. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: I feel sorry for you, that you are so willing to judge a man adversely when you know so little about him. Number one, do you think he would read anything I write here? Number two, you are being offended on his behalf. Number three, that is s lame. Bingo. From my point of view, feste woke up Saturday morning identifying overmuch with Maharishi and his chosen spiritual path, so much so that he could not tell the difference between something said about either that was merely *different* than what he believed, and something said about either that was an attempt to (in his words) memorably insult, defame, and vilify Maharishi, the man who gave most of them their very first start on the spiritual path. He went on to say, There's gratitude for you. I don't know about anyone else, but I think that feste lost it a tad here. First, not much really got said that was defamatory. In my case, I have only made two posts this week that said anything that anyone could react to negatively about MMY. The first gave my *honest* experience of being around the man for many years, and suggested that I had seen no evidence that he had mastered any siddhis at all (which is true) and that I didn't think he had very much charisma or shakti at all (which is also true, from my POV and based on my experience). That seemed to set him off. The only other mention I made of MMY was an obviously funny suggestion that someone could use some of his rants about Scorpion Nation or about being gay as a video tryout for Joss Whedon's Evil League Of Evil. A few people may have said some things more overtly negative about MMY or about TM, but SO THE FUCKIN' WHAT?! What's that got to do with feste? They're NOT insulting him. They're NOT ragging on him. They're ragging on Maharishi, or Bevan, or in some case a silly idea based in self-importance, that Maharishi was somehow more special than other people. So I just felt the need to wade in here and agree completely with Curtis' assessment above: Number one, do you think he would read anything I write here? Number two, you are being offended on his behalf. Number three, that is s lame. S lame. If someone insults YOU, in this culture you have the right to react, and you can either choose to refute the insult, or do the smart thing and ignore it and the person who hurled the insult completely. Spiritually, the former indicates IMO that you haven't evolved much further than an animal and the latter indicates that you might have some chops, but it's your choice. But when someone insults an IDEA that you believe in, or someone who ISN'T you and you get bent out of shape and uptight about that? That isn't grat- itude, that's just lame.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Forget the bad things....
cardemeister, how come your English is so good? Did you live in an English-speaking country for a time? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't watch Miami Ink regularly, but happened to see some of the latest episode aired here. At the very end one of the tattooers said something like (paraphrasing) Forget the bad things, remember the good things and... My memory seems nowadays function exactly the other way round. Almost everything I remember from my past is either embarrassing, frustrating or something like that. Wassup? I recently heard that the purpose of memory is not to recall the past but to help plan the future. Is that why it tends to be rather unreliable? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami_Ink
[FairfieldLife] Craziness of the Hindu Realm
See we just don't have the devotion to the path that Indians do: CHANDIGARH, India - At least 145 people, mostly women and children, were crushed to death under the feet of thousands of pilgrims in a stampede at a temple in northern India on Sunday, police said. We have confirmation now that 145 people have been killed, Daljit Singh Manhas, a senior police officer told Reuters by telephone. Chanting and singing hymns, Hindu worshippers were snaking up a 2.5-mile trail, leading to a hill-top temple in Himachal Pradesh state, when part of iron railings on one side of the road broke, causing the stampede. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25995012/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi The Special (was Re: Ring clarification)
TurquoiseB wrote: snip In other words, you might consider lightening up and trying to have more fun with the place instead of trying to teach us things. We're not buying. Well if you don't like what he's posting Barry, just don't read his posts. He has every right to post whatever he wants here. I don't see anything here that hasn't been discussed before on this group though maybe in different terms. If we didn't all know you were Mr. Cool we'd think that you are afraid Michael's posts are taking away eyes from your daily blogs. :-D
[FairfieldLife] Reducing Your Carbon Footprint - One Lifetime At A Time
(Acknowledgement to http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/ ) Rajendra Pachauri isn't nearly as famous as Al Gore, who shared the Nobel Peace Prize with an international panel on climate change that Pachauri, an Indian scientist and economist, has led since 2002. But as chairman of the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, Pachauri has an urgent message for world leaders about the perils of global warming. Q: What have you done personally to shrink your carbon footprint? A: I've become a vegetarian. I try to minimize the use of cars. Where I've failed is my impact with regard to air travel. I tell people I was born a Hindu who believes in reincarnation. It will take me the next six lives to neutralize my carbon footprint. There's no way I can do it in one lifetime!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi The Special (was Re: Ring clarification)
On Aug 3, 2008, at 11:59 AM, Bhairitu wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: snip In other words, you might consider lightening up and trying to have more fun with the place instead of trying to teach us things. We're not buying. Well if you don't like what he's posting Barry, just don't read his posts. He has every right to post whatever he wants here. I don't see anything here that hasn't been discussed before on this group though maybe in different terms. If we didn't all know you were Mr. Cool we'd think that you are afraid Michael's posts are taking away eyes from your daily blogs. :-D Barry definitely is not Mr. Kool--that's one of my kids' teachers. Barry is Mr. Wright. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Maharishi The Special (was Re: Ring clarification)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Barry definitely is not Mr. Kool--that's one of my kids' teachers. Barry is Mr. Wright. A fact that has not escaped his notice when trying to meet attractive women. Introducing oneself as Mr. Right seems to always get their attention and makes them laugh once it has been explained. I somehow doubt that Mr. Kool would work the same way. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Service to What Others?
Going beyond the one-dimensional scale previously discussed, raises some interesting questions, and perhaps outlines a deeper way to approach this. Virtually everyone serves others, to some degree. Many serve others substantially, but whom do they serve? And does it matter. A quite large number of people serve their families, towards a majority of their time, -- but not much beyond that. Others serve their communities, committing tons of discretionary time -- -- but not much beyond that. Others serve their countries, or religion, or political party -- but not much beyond that. Others serve the world -- but often in prosyletizing ways -- religious aid programs, etc. Some serve humanity, but not all of nature. And then there is the time dimension. Some serve themselves during their careers, living relatively frugally, but with eyes on the prize. -- being able to later in life serve others in full, or near full time capacity once financially independent for life. Some serve early, in their 20's and then start careers in their 30's (or 40's), focussed on catching up and creating some financial independence and security for later years. Others, do some service every day, but not full time. Then there is the skill level and contribution. Lots of volunteer work ends up being grunt or clerical work. I know a number of highly experience nurses who in retirement volunteer their time at hospitals -- only to become delegated to the 'candy-strippers arena. Volunteer at a homeless shleter and you may be carrying boxes all day. Others, stay out of public eye, and work towards some contribution silently, leveraging the skills they have. Less showy -- probably more effective. Then there is the self-care. One can't contribute much if homeless, starving, sick and broke. Thus, focusing on oneself, to a degree, enables one to contribute much more than if they did 24/7 service with no regard to food and shelter. Others spend their time building a foundation, and spending all the leveraged payoff on self-indulgence. Serving others (without boundaries of family, class, party, religion country), leveraging skill sets for higher payoffs, trading self-indulgence for contributions -- short- or longer-term seem to be towards defining deeper and more meaningful scales of service to others. Everyone finds a balance. Societies find a balance.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Service to What Others?
On Aug 3, 2008, at 12:52 PM, new.morning wrote: Virtually everyone serves others, to some degree. Many serve others substantially, but whom do they serve? And does it matter. A quite large number of people serve their families, towards a majority of their time, -- but not much beyond that. Others serve their communities, committing tons of discretionary time -- -- but not much beyond that. Others serve their countries, or religion, or political party -- but not much beyond that. Others serve the world -- but often in prosyletizing ways -- religious aid programs, etc. Some serve humanity, but not all of nature. And then there is the time dimension. Some serve themselves during their careers, living relatively frugally, but with eyes on the prize. -- being able to later in life serve others in full, or near full time capacity once financially independent for life. Some serve early, in their 20's and then start careers in their 30's (or 40's), focussed on catching up and creating some financial independence and security for later years. Others, do some service every day, but not full time. You may be an ambassador to England or France, You may like to gamble, you might like to dance, You may be the heavyweight champion of the world, You may be a socialite with a long string of pearls But you're gonna have to serve somebody, yes indeed You're gonna have to serve somebody, Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord But you're gonna have to serve somebody. --Dylan
Re: [FairfieldLife] Integral Psych videos
On Aug 3, 2008, at 11:42 AM, Michael James Flatley wrote: Did you get a chance to see the videos I posted for you? That should give you some idea of how practical a model it is. It kept asking me to download the latest Real Player. I couldn't get it to play on my Dell quad-core system. I'll try it another computer. They're in quicktime format, so you should have a recent version of QT from the Apple site and they should have the extension .mp4 to be recognized. I'm eclectic... I find value in a broad variety of systems. Nothing beats living in the question. True. Question everything. I kept asking questions for decades. Certainly the approach many here have taken, so you're in good company. It looks like I just found new brainwashing to replace the old brainwashing... We require some programming to function. And we have to know that our thoughts and feelings correspond with awareness we're unwilling to have. You guys are wise to resist all dogmas. Well my approach is simple, accept that which leads to awakening or realization and discard the unnecessary. Dogma is optional; proceed carefully at our own risk. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi The Special (was Re: Ring clarification)
Sal Sunshine wrote: On Aug 3, 2008, at 11:59 AM, Bhairitu wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: snip In other words, you might consider lightening up and trying to have more fun with the place instead of trying to teach us things. We're not buying. Well if you don't like what he's posting Barry, just don't read his posts. He has every right to post whatever he wants here. I don't see anything here that hasn't been discussed before on this group though maybe in different terms. If we didn't all know you were Mr. Cool we'd think that you are afraid Michael's posts are taking away eyes from your daily blogs. :-D Barry definitely is not Mr. Kool--that's one of my kids' teachers. Barry is Mr. Wright. Sal I guess that's better than being Asian and Mr. Wong. :-D
[FairfieldLife] 'Major discovery' from MIT primed to unleash solar revolution - MIT News Office
http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2008/oxygen-0731.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Major discovery' from MIT primed to unleash solar revolution - MIT News Office
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2008/oxygen-0731.html It's when you read stuff like this that you realize there isn't an energy crisis but an intelligence crisis. Between this wonderful discovery, Lunar Helium3, and all the creative forces now in play (thanks in no small part to $4.00 a gallon gasoline), I am convinced that energy will in a decade or two be cheap, abundant, and clean...and available to people of every class and strata of economic standing in the world. Truly, an age of enlightenment.
[FairfieldLife] The Band's Visit
This award winning film just became available on DVD and it is well worth a watch. I think a lot of people here would like it as it is a very human and heartwarming story (without being hokey or saccharin). It is about an Egyptian police band that is invited to play at an Arab cultural center in an Israeli town. Someplace along the line communications get mixed up and they wind up at a small town with a similar name and it is about their adventure there with the local residents. The film stars both Israeli and Palestinian actors and is very well done. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1032856/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Major discovery' from MIT primed to unleash solar revolution - MIT News Office
shempmcgurk wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2008/oxygen-0731.html It's when you read stuff like this that you realize there isn't an energy crisis but an intelligence crisis. Between this wonderful discovery, Lunar Helium3, and all the creative forces now in play (thanks in no small part to $4.00 a gallon gasoline), I am convinced that energy will in a decade or two be cheap, abundant, and clean...and available to people of every class and strata of economic standing in the world. Truly, an age of enlightenment. Except McGoo that it doesn't take $4 a gallon gas to develop ideas like this. You are certainly naive if you think the big boys use their money for such development. Instead they buy up the *small* companies that have developed the research. In fact this MIT research was funded by a foundation that I will have to look into to see if they have oil company connections but what I've seen so far they're not but a family with a tech company.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Major discovery' from MIT primed to unleash solar revolution - MIT News Off
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2008/oxygen-0731.html It's when you read stuff like this that you realize there isn't an energy crisis but an intelligence crisis. Between this wonderful discovery, Lunar Helium3, and all the creative forces now in play (thanks in no small part to $4.00 a gallon gasoline), I am convinced that energy will in a decade or two be cheap, abundant, and clean...and available to people of every class and strata of economic standing in the world. Truly, an age of enlightenment. And with cheap, abundant, carbon free, Sox, Nox and PM10 free energy, then the whole water shortage thing goes away (which if not solved will stop Nevada, Arizona, SoCal, the middle east, much of asia, etc in its tracks). I agree that its first a knowledge crisis. And points to the value of education, research, RD etc -- as having positive externalities and on that basis could rationally be collectively funded (more so than today). And it points to the mechanics of how a REAL ME might work. If there is a societal coherence effect, it should increase collective creativity, insight, and reduce resistance to networking knowledge, its diffusion, and reduce resistance to change. The above solar example and many more are possible -- bio-energy from algae farms, sequestration of CO2 from coal power plants, etc -- illustrate a logical sequence -- creativity, insight, lead to discoveries, that over time are disseminated through knowledge networks, ultimately yielding fresh and powerful new technologies. All of which creates more with less. The ultimate sweet spot of any production function -- or economic process -- increased productivity, incomes, (and yes, better wealth distributions systems are needed -- I favor massive investment in education and health,science and rd over brute force distribution) This cycle, all of which an ME, if real, could accelerate -- still won't happen overnight. Haeglin's ideas are charlatanesque -- the stock market rising over night due to ME. The creativity, insight and reduced resistance to knowledge flow and social change == better technology at lower costs == improved productivity == improved earnings == higher stock markets == increased diffussed wealth via pensions, 401ks, etc will be a lagged effect relative to the increase in collective coherence.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Integral Psych videos
Michael James Flatley wrote: Did you get a chance to see the videos I posted for you? That should give you some idea of how practical a model it is. It kept asking me to download the latest Real Player. I couldn't get it to play on my Dell quad-core system. I'll try it another computer. I'm eclectic... I find value in a broad variety of systems. Nothing beats living in the question. Question everything. I kept asking questions for decades. It looks like I just found new brainwashing to replace the old brainwashing... We require some programming to function. And we have to know that our thoughts and feelings correspond with awareness we're unwilling to have. You guys are wise to resist all dogmas. -MJF You would probably get a laugh out of Alan Watt (not the long dead Zen guy but a Canadian history buff) and his take on the TM movement which you can find in his July 25th MP3 for download here: http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/index.html Sounds like Alan is an old TM'er who drawn some conclusions about Maharishi and probably Charlie Lutes being a plot by the Illuminati to create a new religion. :-D Alan riffs on the topic from time to time. He also likes to deprogram people of about any belief system and used to appear on a show hosted by a kind of new age christian woman who he deprogrammed until the last show with her she was complaining to be confused because she didn't have anything to believe in anymore. I also found this anti-new age video quite amusing and filled with disinformation (especially the tantra part): http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6272335793596892362 It has some TM folks in it too.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Major discovery' from MIT primed to unleash solar revolution - MIT News Off
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2008/oxygen-0731.html Ummm Someone didn't understand what they were told: The key component in Nocera and Kanan's new process is a new catalyst that produces oxygen gas from water; another catalyst produces valuable hydrogen gas. The new catalyst consists of cobalt metal, phosphate and an electrode, placed in water. When electricity -- whether from a photovoltaic cell, a wind turbine or any other source -- runs through the electrode, the cobalt and phosphate form a thin film on the electrode, and oxygen gas is produced. Combined with another catalyst, such as platinum, that can produce hydrogen gas from water, the system can duplicate the water splitting reaction that occurs during photosynthesis. If you manage to extract the oxygen from water, then the hydrogen is split off too. LIkewise if you manage to extract the hydrogen. Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: South Field Crop Circle grown from 3 to 5 Swallows !
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip [new_morning wrote:] Ok, its the region where Stonehenge is. Do aliens faor stonehenge over all other ancient sacred sites to the (mostly) exclusion of others? [I wrote:] Why are you asking me about aliens? This is interesting to see where you are drawing your lines Judy. I thought your point is that it is unlikely that humans could have done some of these circles. Right. But I've made it very clear that I'm not claiming it's aliens. That seems to me highly unlikely as well. So who is on your short list of non human possibilities, or do you just go up to: not likely to be humans? That's really it. I do not have a clue what it might be. I think whatever it is, it's probably something we know nothing about, that we don't even suspect exists. I think it's possible that it's responsible for or related to a whole bunch of the things we call paranormal, some additional dimension or aspect to existence. Dunno. As I said in another post, if we get tied down to one particular theory, we may close off a whole lot of other possibilities and fail to see connections to other inexplicable phenomena. My *hunch* is they're all related in some way.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Major discovery' from MIT primed to unleash solar revolution - MIT News Off
This explains it a little more clearly: He didn't combine oxygen separation somehow with hydrogen separateion. He came up with a different catalyst that is more efficient by far than the traditional platinum. http://tinyurl.com/5lvjjr What is interesting is that he was actually searchig fo rhe holy grail for energy storage: artificial photosynthesis. Instead, he just came up with a more efficient catalyst for standard electrolysis. L. http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/34733/title/Small_steps_toward_big_energy _gains_ --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2008/oxygen-0731.html Ummm Someone didn't understand what they were told: The key component in Nocera and Kanan's new process is a new catalyst that produces oxygen gas from water; another catalyst produces valuable hydrogen gas. The new catalyst consists of cobalt metal, phosphate and an electrode, placed in water. When electricity -- whether from a photovoltaic cell, a wind turbine or any other source -- runs through the electrode, the cobalt and phosphate form a thin film on the electrode, and oxygen gas is produced. Combined with another catalyst, such as platinum, that can produce hydrogen gas from water, the system can duplicate the water splitting reaction that occurs during photosynthesis. If you manage to extract the oxygen from water, then the hydrogen is split off too. LIkewise if you manage to extract the hydrogen. Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: Crop Circle in the USA (Read It In New Scientist)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I've never been interested in them and still am not, but equally feel the right to have strong opinions about the subject. Not so much about the circles themselves (who the fuck cares), but about the people who obsess about them. The former may or may not be mysterious, but the latter (the fanatics) are not. They are the same as any brand of fanatic anywhere, and thus one is able (and, some would say, almost duty-bound) to laugh at them. My plan is to lay low, and say nothing either to [Judy] or about her. I may or may not succeed at this... --Barry Wright, 7/23/08 There is little on this planet as laughable as someone touting Woo Woo while claiming to be rational. Actually, what's laughable is to see Barry mocking Woo-Woo stuff when everybody on FFL knows how vigorously he touts his own brand of Woo-Woo and disses those who are skeptical, even suggesting that they aren't interested in proof but in making sure that none of their boundaries are disturbed.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi The Special (was Re: Ring clarification)
Michael James Flatley wrote: He absolultely believed that the Saraswati vibration could achieve world peace and fix everthing else at the same time. Indians believe that mantra will make your brain like a computer or so said the professor of astrology at one Indian university that gave me a reading. He gave me that mantra in traditional form (with Omkara) as a recommended technique from reading my chart. What do you think about the lack of Omkara in the mantras? Very unorthodox but I have theories on it. I always thought that he decided to build an army of intellectuals but it didn't work out as planned as westerners in general don't have the same metabolisms as Indians and that mantra didn't work out so well and instead gave him a bunch of people with unstable over-stimulated intellects. ;-) I don't know if Saraswati is a real entity. I would say energy rather than entity and it's qualities would constitute an intellect and since it dwarfs us by it's domain the tendency would be got call it a god. And I experimented with the Ganesh mantra: Om Gum Gonna Pudah Yea Namaha. Increases wisdom. From everything I can tell, I've outgrown the stage where mantra can help me get more conscious. It's just one tool-set. I already did too much mantra so I gotta use other tools. Mantras are terrific tools but in some cases it's like giving a power saw to child. You have to understand how to use them properly and why they are best given by a teacher. I hesitate to use the much maligned and misunderstood term guru as in reality they are more like a music teacher with techniques they can teach you. They not supposed to be big leaders or heroes of the world nor pop stars. Don't mind the hisses and boos from the peanut gallery. Other POVs are welcome here as the same old beating of the dead horses and self invented philosophies by the clique get a bit tiresome. It's good to hear from others who have left the sheltered existence of a TM'er behind and learned from other folks and paths.
[FairfieldLife] Re: DOME ANNOUNCEMENTS--Celebration Sunday
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: I just don't think jokes about fat people are funny, that's all. Especially when you pack about 20 of them in one post. Well when you put it like that, I have to agree. I thought the absurdity of cutting and pasting a website page of them and then searching and replacing Yo Mamma for Bevan was funny in itself. But on the general principle of fat jokes being stupid, I'm with ya. And I didn't mean it as a dig at people's weight, it was his hypocrisy I was lampooning. Anyone with actual weight issues (including my own lack of 6 pack abs BTW) Pardon me for picking a nit, but lack of six pack abs does not constitute a weight issue. Six pack abs show up when body fat is 10% or less. In terms of a healthy percentage of body fat for the average person to diet down to and/or maintain, men should strive for 15%, and women 20%. Healthy, normal weight levels do not require the presence of six-pack abs.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Craziness of the Hindu Realm
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: See we just don't have the devotion to the path that Indians do: CHANDIGARH, India - At least 145 people, mostly women and children, were crushed to death under the feet of thousands of pilgrims in a stampede at a temple in northern India on Sunday, police said. We have confirmation now that 145 people have been killed, Daljit Singh Manhas, a senior police officer told Reuters by telephone. Chanting and singing hymns, Hindu worshippers were snaking up a 2.5- mile trail, leading to a hill-top temple in Himachal Pradesh state, when part of iron railings on one side of the road broke, causing the stampede. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25995012/ ** On my TM Teacher Training Course (Humboldt, Aug 1970), MMY remarked that the average Indian was like an American on drugs. India is a mess because the consciousness is low, but that's going to change soon, thanks to Girish Varma's determination to teach 10 million in that country an effective means of expanding awareness: http://peace-movement.net/introductin.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Craziness of the Hindu Realm
bob_brigante wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: See we just don't have the devotion to the path that Indians do: CHANDIGARH, India - At least 145 people, mostly women and children, were crushed to death under the feet of thousands of pilgrims in a stampede at a temple in northern India on Sunday, police said. We have confirmation now that 145 people have been killed, Daljit Singh Manhas, a senior police officer told Reuters by telephone. Chanting and singing hymns, Hindu worshippers were snaking up a 2.5- mile trail, leading to a hill-top temple in Himachal Pradesh state, when part of iron railings on one side of the road broke, causing the stampede. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25995012/ ** On my TM Teacher Training Course (Humboldt, Aug 1970), MMY remarked that the average Indian was like an American on drugs. India is a mess because the consciousness is low, but that's going to change soon, thanks to Girish Varma's determination to teach 10 million in that country an effective means of expanding awareness: http://peace-movement.net/introductin.html I think they're more into expanding their bank accounts (not just Girish but the rest of India). It's not as a spiritual country as one might think having traveled there. That's due to centuries of being oppressed by the ruling class.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Craziness of the Hindu Realm
---The Indian project will only succeed if the TM TB create a self- sustaining morphogenetic field akin to a new Religion with a cultural identity separate from traditional Hinduism (or a new sub-religion; analogous to the loose allience of disparate Hindu faiths: Saivism, Vaisnavism, Hare Krishna's, etc, as well as various groups which claim to be non-Hindu but actually are). By having such an identity, individual memembers strenghen their own stock of belongingness and feel like they are part of something worthwhile. If TM is only taught as a technique devoid of cultural cohesiveness, it (as a Movement) will only be partially successful. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: See we just don't have the devotion to the path that Indians do: CHANDIGARH, India - At least 145 people, mostly women and children, were crushed to death under the feet of thousands of pilgrims in a stampede at a temple in northern India on Sunday, police said. We have confirmation now that 145 people have been killed, Daljit Singh Manhas, a senior police officer told Reuters by telephone. Chanting and singing hymns, Hindu worshippers were snaking up a 2.5- mile trail, leading to a hill-top temple in Himachal Pradesh state, when part of iron railings on one side of the road broke, causing the stampede. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25995012/ ** On my TM Teacher Training Course (Humboldt, Aug 1970), MMY remarked that the average Indian was like an American on drugs. India is a mess because the consciousness is low, but that's going to change soon, thanks to Girish Varma's determination to teach 10 million in that country an effective means of expanding awareness: http://peace-movement.net/introductin.html
[FairfieldLife] Guru Dev's Guidelines, for Spiritual Progress
Guru Dev's Directives, Guidelines for Spiritual Progress: From: Shankaracharya Swami Brahmananda Saraswati, (The `Guru Dev' of the TMorg). The Guru Dev Biography page has translations from Guru Dev's QA sessions: QA #69: Guru Dev: 'Having taken one guru, another you should not' - this is all rubbish talk and is obstructive to the welfare. Some people say that having taken one guru you should not make another. But this doctrine is not of the shaastra, this is [just] minds imagination. The guru is gone to for happiness. Up until when bhagavaad (God) is gained - up until then you can go and change guru. So then we haven't seen any guru-bhakta (devotee) fearful of shifting, always studying in the very same class of the very same guru. Actually, to transfer class and to transfer guru is natural. It is not disrespectful to the former guru, actually respect has been done the guru, but in future you get the promise of discipleship of fresh gurus. Vyasa's son Shukadeva ji acquired knowledge from his own father, then he gained knowledge from Shankara ji and also gained knowledge from Narada ji. In the end he took instruction from Janaka ji. Therefore, 'Having taken one guru, another you should not' - this is all rubbish talk and is obstructive to the welfare. You should not ruin your life with this kind of empty words. Many lives have been caused to live in births, now then be alert to attain the human birth. Understanding the method of upaasanaa (worship) from higher and higher gurus, having been doing actions according to Veda shaastra, be doing chanting and puja of Bhagavan, then it is certain you will cross the sea of saMsaara (worldly existence). [Shri Shankaracharya UpadeshAmrita kaNa 69 of 108] translation - Paul Mason © 2006, 2007 Jai Guru Dev, http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/gurudev.htm
[FairfieldLife] Maharishi The Special (was Re: Ring clarification)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael James Flatley wrote: He absolultely believed that the Saraswati vibration could achieve world peace and fix everthing else at the same time. If you are referring to Maharishi then what you say is correct. He always spoke the truth. As evidenced by world events taking place at this very crucial moment in history. Indians believe that mantra will make your brain like a computer or so said the professor of astrology at one Indian university that gave me a reading. He gave me that mantra in traditional form (with Omkara) as a recommended technique from reading my chart. What do you think about the lack of Omkara in the mantras? Very unorthodox but I have theories on it. Forget Omkara. If you learned TM you know it's a waste of time. I always thought that he decided to build an army of intellectuals but it didn't work out as planned as westerners in general don't have the same metabolisms as Indians The enlightenment of westerners is the same as that of indians or any race or gender anywhere on this planet. Actually, if you really wanted to, these mantras will work brilliantly on animals, making them cutting through a lot of incarnations as animals in a very short period of time indeed, though the TM-teacher would need to put a lot of work into it. We know this from experiments and from close observation. The Saraswathi mantras are for enlightenment only, not to gain intellectual capacity. But this everyone knew already, no ?
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Major discovery' from MIT primed to unleash solar revolution - MIT News Office
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: shempmcgurk wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2008/oxygen-0731.html It's when you read stuff like this that you realize there isn't an energy crisis but an intelligence crisis. Between this wonderful discovery, Lunar Helium3, and all the creative forces now in play (thanks in no small part to $4.00 a gallon gasoline), I am convinced that energy will in a decade or two be cheap, abundant, and clean...and available to people of every class and strata of economic standing in the world. Truly, an age of enlightenment. Except McGoo that it doesn't take $4 a gallon gas to develop ideas like this. You are certainly naive if you think the big boys use their money for such development. You misread me. By $4.00 a gallon, I meant: necessity is the Mother of Invention. Instead they buy up the *small* companies that have developed the research. In fact this MIT research was funded by a foundation that I will have to look into to see if they have oil company connections but what I've seen so far they're not but a family with a tech company.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Major discovery' from MIT primed to unleash solar revolution - MIT News Off
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2008/oxygen-0731.html It's when you read stuff like this that you realize there isn't an energy crisis but an intelligence crisis. Between this wonderful discovery, Lunar Helium3, and all the creative forces now in play (thanks in no small part to $4.00 a gallon gasoline), I am convinced that energy will in a decade or two be cheap, abundant, and clean...and available to people of every class and strata of economic standing in the world. Truly, an age of enlightenment. And with cheap, abundant, carbon free, Sox, Nox and PM10 free energy, then the whole water shortage thing goes away (which if not solved will stop Nevada, Arizona, SoCal, the middle east, much of asia, etc in its tracks). I agree that its first a knowledge crisis. And points to the value of education, research, RD etc -- as having positive externalities and on that basis could rationally be collectively funded (more so than today). And it points to the mechanics of how a REAL ME might work. If there is a societal coherence effect, it should increase collective creativity, insight, and reduce resistance to networking knowledge, its diffusion, and reduce resistance to change. The above solar example and many more are possible -- bio-energy from algae farms, sequestration of CO2 from coal power plants, etc -- illustrate a logical sequence -- creativity, insight, lead to discoveries, that over time are disseminated through knowledge networks, ultimately yielding fresh and powerful new technologies. All of which creates more with less. The ultimate sweet spot of any production function - - or economic process -- increased productivity, incomes, (and yes, better wealth distributions systems are needed -- I favor massive investment in education and health,science and rd over brute force distribution) 1) The best way to effect massive investment in education is to implement the Voucher System, IMO. 2) I'm not sure what you mean by brute force distribution as regards wealth distribution but what I'd like to see has to do with taxes: at the very least a flat tax rate and, at best, the fair tax. Rich people are currently paying too HIGH a percentage of the tax burden. Intelligence follows wealth. If you tax too much from the rich and instead divert it to government and its wealth distribution programs, you will squander the intelligence of the wealth. 3) The creative elements are there: just leave good people alone in the marketplace with as little government interference as possible and the solutions will come, as we're seeing now. And -- an aside to Bhairitu -- if that money comes from the oil companies (who have proven themselves to be wonderfully efficient in bringing us their very inefficient carbon-based product at a very LOW price) or from some family, as you say, that made their money in high tech, it does not matter. This cycle, all of which an ME, if real, could accelerate -- still won't happen overnight. Haeglin's ideas are charlatanesque -- the stock market rising over night due to ME. The creativity, insight and reduced resistance to knowledge flow and social change == better technology at lower costs == improved productivity == improved earnings == higher stock markets == increased diffussed wealth via pensions, 401ks, etc will be a lagged effect relative to the increase in collective coherence.
[FairfieldLife] Re: DOME ANNOUNCEMENTS--Celebration Sunday
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: I just don't think jokes about fat people are funny, that's all. Especially when you pack about 20 of them in one post. Well when you put it like that, I have to agree. I thought the absurdity of cutting and pasting a website page of them and then searching and replacing Yo Mamma for Bevan was funny in itself. But on the general principle of fat jokes being stupid, I'm with ya. And I didn't mean it as a dig at people's weight, it was his hypocrisy I was lampooning. Anyone with actual weight issues (including my own lack of 6 pack abs BTW) Pardon me for picking a nit, but lack of six pack abs does not constitute a weight issue. Six pack abs show up when body fat is 10% or less. In terms of a healthy percentage of body fat for the average person to diet down to and/or maintain, men should strive for 15%, and women 20%. Healthy, normal weight levels do not require the presence of six-pack abs. I'll give you 2.4 years off the top of my life for 6-pack abs. Plus, I'll take up smoking.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Craziness of the Hindu Realm
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] On my TM Teacher Training Course (Humboldt, Aug 1970), MMY remarked that the average Indian was like an American on drugs. India is a mess because the consciousness is low, but that's going to change soon, thanks to Girish Varma's determination to teach 10 million in that country an effective means of expanding awareness: http://peace-movement.net/introductin.html We've all seen those Humbolt tapes Bob. Did we see you as one of those many in line to poste questions on the mike to Maharishi ? And yes, the Indian Movement with Girish at the helm is rising to the occasion and is doing very well indeed.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Craziness of the Hindu Realm
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: bob_brigante wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: See we just don't have the devotion to the path that Indians do: CHANDIGARH, India - At least 145 people, mostly women and children, were crushed to death under the feet of thousands of pilgrims in a stampede at a temple in northern India on Sunday, police said. We have confirmation now that 145 people have been killed, Daljit Singh Manhas, a senior police officer told Reuters by telephone. Chanting and singing hymns, Hindu worshippers were snaking up a 2.5- mile trail, leading to a hill-top temple in Himachal Pradesh state, when part of iron railings on one side of the road broke, causing the stampede. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25995012/ ** On my TM Teacher Training Course (Humboldt, Aug 1970), MMY remarked that the average Indian was like an American on drugs. India is a mess because the consciousness is low, but that's going to change soon, thanks to Girish Varma's determination to teach 10 million in that country an effective means of expanding awareness: http://peace-movement.net/introductin.html I think they're more into expanding their bank accounts (not just Girish but the rest of India). It's not as a spiritual country as one might think having traveled there. That's due to centuries of being oppressed by the ruling class. I don't know about that, Bhairitu, but India is now, thankfully, on a path away from Socialism and towards Capitalism and the results are wonderful. They are the opposite of what you stand for.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Major discovery' from MIT primed to unleash solar revolution - MIT News Off
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You misread me. By $4.00 a gallon, I meant: necessity is the Mother of Invention. I thought that was Frank Zappa.
[FairfieldLife] Re: DOME ANNOUNCEMENTS--Celebration Sunday
Normal weight levels do not require the presence of six-pack abs. This is brilliant news Alex. I intend to get this printed on my T-shirt. It will go nicely with my printed underwear that says: Objects are larger than they appear! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: I just don't think jokes about fat people are funny, that's all. Especially when you pack about 20 of them in one post. Well when you put it like that, I have to agree. I thought the absurdity of cutting and pasting a website page of them and then searching and replacing Yo Mamma for Bevan was funny in itself. But on the general principle of fat jokes being stupid, I'm with ya. And I didn't mean it as a dig at people's weight, it was his hypocrisy I was lampooning. Anyone with actual weight issues (including my own lack of 6 pack abs BTW) Pardon me for picking a nit, but lack of six pack abs does not constitute a weight issue. Six pack abs show up when body fat is 10% or less. In terms of a healthy percentage of body fat for the average person to diet down to and/or maintain, men should strive for 15%, and women 20%. Healthy, normal weight levels do not require the presence of six-pack abs.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Craziness of the Hindu Realm
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: See we just don't have the devotion to the path that Indians do: CHANDIGARH, India - At least 145 people, mostly women and children, were crushed to death under the feet of thousands of pilgrims in a stampede at a temple in northern India on Sunday, police said. We have confirmation now that 145 people have been killed, Daljit Singh Manhas, a senior police officer told Reuters by telephone. Chanting and singing hymns, Hindu worshippers were snaking up a 2.5- mile trail, leading to a hill-top temple in Himachal Pradesh state, when part of iron railings on one side of the road broke, causing the stampede. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25995012/ ** On my TM Teacher Training Course (Humboldt, Aug 1970), MMY remarked that the average Indian was like an American on drugs. India is a mess because the consciousness is low, but that's going to change soon, thanks to Girish Varma's determination to teach 10 million in that country an effective means of expanding awareness: http://peace-movement.net/introductin.html If Garish Girish succeeds, it will be in large part because he made the cost of learning TM is so much cheaper (as a percentage of annual income) than it is in the West. And that pisses me off. Not that 10 million won't learn TM -- that is of course a wonderful thing -- but that he had to wait for his uncle to die before he went off on his own and did it. It also pisses me off that the US TMO doesn't do it as well. Hey, make it $75.00 to learn TM. Let's fill up the centers, just as we did in the 1970s!
[FairfieldLife] Maharishi The Special (was Re: Ring clarification)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Michael James Flatley wrote: He absolultely believed that the Saraswati vibration could achieve world peace and fix everthing else at the same time. If you are referring to Maharishi then what you say is correct. He always spoke the truth. As evidenced by world events taking place at this very crucial moment in history. Indians believe that mantra will make your brain like a computer or so said the professor of astrology at one Indian university that gave me a reading. He gave me that mantra in traditional form (with Omkara) as a recommended technique from reading my chart. What do you think about the lack of Omkara in the mantras? Very unorthodox but I have theories on it. Forget Omkara. If you learned TM you know it's a waste of time. I always thought that he decided to build an army of intellectuals but it didn't work out as planned as westerners in general don't have the same metabolisms as Indians The enlightenment of westerners is the same as that of indians or any race or gender anywhere on this planet. Actually, if you really wanted to, these mantras will work brilliantly on animals, making them cutting through a lot of incarnations as animals in a very short period of time indeed, though the TM-teacher would need to put a lot of work into it. We know this from experiments and from close observation. Nabby, why don't you make that your life project? Go down to the barn and teach your horse and your pig how to meditate. Gee, Wilbur, I went really deep that time! ...and from Pulp Fiction: JULES I wouldn't go so far as to call a dog filthy, but they're definitely dirty. But a dog's got personality. And personality goes a long way. VINCENT So by that rationale, if a pig had a better personality, he's cease to be a filthy animal? JULES We'd have to be talkin' 'bout one motherfuckin' charmin' pig. It'd have to be the Cary Grant of pigs. The Saraswathi mantras are for enlightenment only, not to gain intellectual capacity. But this everyone knew already, no ?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's Guidelines, for Spiritual Progress
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guru Dev's Directives, Guidelines for Spiritual Progress: From: Shankaracharya Swami Brahmananda Saraswati, (The `Guru Dev' of the TMorg). The Guru Dev Biography page has translations from Guru Dev's QA sessions: QA #69: Guru Dev: 'Having taken one guru, another you should not' - this is all rubbish talk and is obstructive to the welfare. translation - Paul Mason © 2006, 2007 And who on this earth would take a translation done by P.Mason, a fellow bent on making a few bucks and a living on denouncing a true saint of these times, seriously ?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's Guidelines, for Spiritual Progress
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Guru Dev's Directives, Guidelines for Spiritual Progress: From: Shankaracharya Swami Brahmananda Saraswati, (The `Guru Dev' of the TMorg). The Guru Dev Biography page has translations from Guru Dev's QA sessions: QA #69: Guru Dev: 'Having taken one guru, another you should not' - this is all rubbish talk and is obstructive to the welfare. translation - Paul Mason © 2006, 2007 And who on this earth would take a translation done by P.Mason, a fellow bent on making a few bucks and a living on denouncing a true saint of these times, seriously ? I am not privy to how much Paul made on the biography of Maharishi that he wrote but I suspect, like most writers, it was probably a labor of love and, in the end, worked out to be the equivalent of less than minimum wage for all the hours he put into it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Craziness of the Hindu Realm
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip If Garish Girish succeeds, it will be in large part because he made the cost of learning TM is so much cheaper (as a percentage of annual income) than it is in the West. And that pisses me off. Not that 10 million won't learn TM -- that is of course a wonderful thing -- but that he had to wait for his uncle to die before he went off on his own and did it. Uh, Shemp, I believe it's always been much cheaper in India (if not free--I hope Girish hasn't started charging for what had previously been free).
[FairfieldLife] Great t-shirt for Barfitu, Off.Kilter, and Bongo Brazil
[FairfieldLife] Maharishi The Special (was Re: Ring clarification)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nabby, why don't you make that your life project? Go down to the barn and teach your horse and your pig how to meditate. Been there, done that. It works but requires a LOT of hard work, 3 months of checking will not be enough, rather checkings daily for 3 - 5 years to see results, not unlike initiating in prisions, where animals on two legs abide. For some lighter species you will see dramatic changes within 3 - 6 months but for most you would have to work with them for many years. Though timeconsuming and a challenge to your patience, it is very rewarding in terms of seeing the glow of Love and Understanding expand. These fortunate animals cut through the wall to human existence and incarnation very, very quickly with TM.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Craziness of the Hindu Realm
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: snip If Garish Girish succeeds, it will be in large part because he made the cost of learning TM is so much cheaper (as a percentage of annual income) than it is in the West. And that pisses me off. Not that 10 million won't learn TM -- that is of course a wonderful thing -- but that he had to wait for his uncle to die before he went off on his own and did it. Uh, Shemp, I believe it's always been much cheaper in India (if not free--I hope Girish hasn't started charging for what had previously been free). If that's the case, then what exactly will he be doing differently now that he is running the show to get 10 million initiated? Bob? Bueller? Anyone?
[FairfieldLife] Maharishi The Special (was Re: Ring clarification)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: Nabby, why don't you make that your life project? Go down to the barn and teach your horse and your pig how to meditate. Been there, done that. It works but requires a LOT of hard work, 3 months of checking will not be enough, rather checkings daily for 3 - 5 years to see results, not unlike initiating in prisions, where animals on two legs abide. For some lighter species you will see dramatic changes within 3 - 6 months but for most you would have to work with them for many years. Though timeconsuming and a challenge to your patience, it is very rewarding in terms of seeing the glow of Love and Understanding expand. These fortunate animals cut through the wall to human existence and incarnation very, very quickly with TM. Is it just me...or does anyone else actually believe him?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Crop Circle in the USA (Read It In New Scientist)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip I've never been interested in them and still am not, but equally feel the right to have strong opinions about the subject. Not so much about the circles themselves (who the fuck cares), but about the people who obsess about them. The former may or may not be mysterious, but the latter (the fanatics) are not. They are the same as any brand of fanatic anywhere, and thus one is able (and, some would say, almost duty-bound) to laugh at them. My plan is to lay low, and say nothing either to [Judy] or about her. I may or may not succeed at this... --Barry Wright, 7/23/08 Oh, no need to apologize. I don't feel victimized by attacks from people for whom I have no respect. -- Judy Stein
[FairfieldLife] Re: DOME ANNOUNCEMENTS--Celebration Sunday
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah, so Bevan's a thief now, too. Yes, of course. Why not. Anyone else care to contribute something? Om, yeah you're right Feste. For thirty years he's been the front man. The spokesperson voice. The course Administrator, The President. The Chairman. The Prime Minister. The Confidant. Lot of money raised and lot of money not accounted for under his care. Could be insightful to have him in a position to answer frankly, what did you know and when did you know it?. Like, for instance, when the Kaplan money was emptied from that bank account? What did he know and when did he know it? Who handled the transaction? Was it 17, 30, or 22 million dollars? Through which overseas accounts did it travel? To where and to what end? Just simple questions.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Crop Circle in the USA (Read It In New Scientist)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip I've never been interested in them and still am not, but equally feel the right to have strong opinions about the subject. Not so much about the circles themselves (who the fuck cares), but about the people who obsess about them. The former may or may not be mysterious, but the latter (the fanatics) are not. They are the same as any brand of fanatic anywhere, and thus one is able (and, some would say, almost duty-bound) to laugh at them. My plan is to lay low, and say nothing either to [Judy] or about her. I may or may not succeed at this... --Barry Wright, 7/23/08 Oh, no need to apologize. I don't feel victimized by attacks from people for whom I have no respect. -- Judy Stein Thank you, absolutely correct, I do not. What might I have been doing in this post, do you think, other than complaining about being victimized? Take a minute and ponder deeply. Any ideas?
[FairfieldLife] Re: DOME ANNOUNCEMENTS--Celebration Sunday
What business is it of yours? Did you give them any money? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Ah, so Bevan's a thief now, too. Yes, of course. Why not. Anyone else care to contribute something? Om, yeah you're right Feste. For thirty years he's been the front man. The spokesperson voice. The course Administrator, The President. The Chairman. The Prime Minister. The Confidant. Lot of money raised and lot of money not accounted for under his care. Could be insightful to have him in a position to answer frankly, what did you know and when did you know it?. Like, for instance, when the Kaplan money was emptied from that bank account? What did he know and when did he know it? Who handled the transaction? Was it 17, 30, or 22 million dollars? Through which overseas accounts did it travel? To where and to what end? Just simple questions.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's Guidelines, for Spiritual Progress
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am not privy to how much Paul made on the biography of Maharishi that he wrote but I suspect, like most writers, it was probably a labor of love and, in the end, worked out to be the equivalent of less than minimum wage for all the hours he put into it. Perhaps you are right, though I would rule out the word love from the vocabulary about this fellow. His project is now expanding. It seems obvious that P.Mason has wider ambitions as he obviously understands the outline of Maharishis historical role in the shaping of the Age of Enlightenment. P.Mason is not an authority on Maharishi or Guru Dev. He is someone who wants to make money.
[FairfieldLife] Post Count
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi The Special (was Re: Ring clarification)
nablusoss1008 wrote: The enlightenment of westerners is the same as that of indians or any race or gender anywhere on this planet. I'm talking about which doshas are predominant. Most ayurvedic physicians from India when they practice in the west will tell you they see a difference between Indians and westerners. Actually, if you really wanted to, these mantras will work brilliantly on animals, making them cutting through a lot of incarnations as animals in a very short period of time indeed, though the TM-teacher would need to put a lot of work into it. We know this from experiments and from close observation. People in India will sometimes chant to their animals. The Saraswathi mantras are for enlightenment only, not to gain intellectual capacity. But this everyone knew already, no ? Wrong.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Craziness of the Hindu Realm
shempmcgurk wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know about that, Bhairitu, but India is now, thankfully, on a path away from Socialism and towards Capitalism and the results are wonderful. They are the opposite of what you stand for. With a socialistic President who ran on a platform of spreading the wealth and success (of their outsource windfall) to more than just the tech community? We can tell you've been following Indian politics (if you can it that) quite closely like you follow the Indian economy. :D :D :D
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's Guidelines, for Spiritual Progress
Nabby, okay, so you got the Ad hominid attack launched. So, what you think about the ideas of what he translated? Any merit to what Guru Dev might be saying in the translation? I spose next the actual translation should be open for attack now that the Ad hminid has been put on the table. We'll probably be hearing from the movement staff vedic scholar Egness with an official translation by the TMorg at some point. If they are really worried it will be Vernon Katz back from retirement to re-butt. However, any merit to what Guru Dev might be saying in the translation? Seems like a precedent that could be directly adopted in to guidelines generally for the Tm meditating community. Might even significantly increase the Fairfield dome numbers pretty quick. Could just simply ask people to do the TM-sidhi program in the dome forget the ongoing inquisition and related administrative stuff about people visiting saints or holy people. The guideline precedent from Guru Dev is pretty clear that way. Could be quite helpful to the community to cut the TM spiritual fascism out that way. Jai Guru Dev, -Doug in FF --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: I am not privy to how much Paul made on the biography of Maharishi that he wrote but I suspect, like most writers, it was probably a labor of love and, in the end, worked out to be the equivalent of less than minimum wage for all the hours he put into it. Perhaps you are right, though I would rule out the word love from the vocabulary about this fellow. His project is now expanding. It seems obvious that P.Mason has wider ambitions as he obviously understands the outline of Maharishis historical role in the shaping of the Age of Enlightenment. P.Mason is not an authority on Maharishi or Guru Dev. He is someone who wants to make money.
[FairfieldLife] Breaking through the wall to human existence
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: Nabby, why don't you make that your life project? Go down to the barn and teach your horse and your pig how to meditate. Been there, done that. It works but requires a LOT of hard work, 3 months of checking will not be enough, rather checkings daily for 3 - 5 years to see results, not unlike initiating in prisions, where animals on two legs abide. For some lighter species you will see dramatic changes within 3 - 6 months but for most you would have to work with them for many years. Though timeconsuming and a challenge to your patience, it is very rewarding in terms of seeing the glow of Love and Understanding expand. These fortunate animals cut through the wall to human existence and incarnation very, very quickly with TM. Is it just me...or does anyone else actually believe him? Shemp, I was just stating facts of my life experiences. If it caught your imagination and willingness to serve our brothers I'm very happy as we can all do so much more for our friends in the animal kingdom. I see much pain from this level, all the cruel killing and eating of them, it's a formidable war going on against the animals of all kinds which is sickening and wrong. You do not kill and eat those you love.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's Guidelines, for Spiritual Progress
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nabby, okay, so you got the Ad hominid attack launched. So, what you think about the ideas of what he translated? These ideas originated not from Guru Dev but from P.Mason. Mason next project will be to convince you that what you yourself heard in person, sitting at the feet of Maharishi or listening to His tapes was wrong. He will present ever more of his interpretations as the words of Maharishi himself. That is why I said not to believe a single word from that fellow. He is a thief with one sole ambition; to capitalize on the greatness of others, to make money and to seek recognition of his own ego.
[FairfieldLife] Re: DOME ANNOUNCEMENTS--Celebration Sunday
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: heard he has bad breath. Sal Heard or experienced first-hand ?
RE: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi The Special (was Re: Ring clarification)
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 6:08 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi The Special (was Re: Ring clarification) Actually, if you really wanted to, these mantras will work brilliantly on animals, making them cutting through a lot of incarnations as animals in a very short period of time indeed, though the TM-teacher would need to put a lot of work into it. We know this from experiments and from close observation. Meaning what? That the animals would chant the mantras or that people would chant them for the animals?
[FairfieldLife] Maharishi The Special (was Re: Ring clarification)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: nablusoss1008 wrote: The enlightenment of westerners is the same as that of indians or any race or gender anywhere on this planet. I'm talking about which doshas are predominant. Most ayurvedic physicians from India when they practice in the west will tell you they see a difference between Indians and westerners. Why listen to such fools ? Doshas naturally vary from country to country, from continent to continent. Hangers-on wants to make you feel special and thus pay them more. Stick to Maharishi Vaidyas who represent Knowledge hitherto unknown in the west.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi The Special (was Re: Ring clarification)
nablusoss1008 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: nablusoss1008 wrote: The enlightenment of westerners is the same as that of indians or any race or gender anywhere on this planet. I'm talking about which doshas are predominant. Most ayurvedic physicians from India when they practice in the west will tell you they see a difference between Indians and westerners. Why listen to such fools ? Doshas naturally vary from country to country, from continent to continent. Hangers-on wants to make you feel special and thus pay them more. Stick to Maharishi Vaidyas who represent Knowledge hitherto unknown in the west. Uh Nabby, the Maharishi Vaidyas have been known to say the same thing.
[FairfieldLife] Maharishi The Special (was Re: Ring clarification)
not unlike initiating in prisions, where animals on two legs abide. Yeah, there must be a solution to this problem of these human animals, something that is not temporary or intermediate, something that is more permanant... and say... final. Oh yeah, that has a nice ring to it doesn't it, a final solution. it is very rewarding in terms of seeing the glow of Love and Understanding expand. I'm still not letting you babysit my cats Nabby. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: Nabby, why don't you make that your life project? Go down to the barn and teach your horse and your pig how to meditate. Been there, done that. It works but requires a LOT of hard work, 3 months of checking will not be enough, rather checkings daily for 3 - 5 years to see results, not unlike initiating in prisions, where animals on two legs abide. For some lighter species you will see dramatic changes within 3 - 6 months but for most you would have to work with them for many years. Though timeconsuming and a challenge to your patience, it is very rewarding in terms of seeing the glow of Love and Understanding expand. These fortunate animals cut through the wall to human existence and incarnation very, very quickly with TM.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Craziness of the Hindu Realm
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ On my TM Teacher Training Course (Humboldt, Aug 1970), MMY remarked that the average Indian was like an American on drugs. India is a mess because the consciousness is low, but that's going to change soon, thanks to Girish Varma's determination to teach 10 million in that country an effective means of expanding awareness: http://peace-movement.net/introductin.html We've all seen those Humbolt tapes Bob. Did we see you as one of those many in line to poste questions on the mike to Maharishi ? And yes, the Indian Movement with Girish at the helm is rising to the occasion and is doing very well indeed. ** I never did ask a question or wait in a queue -- I may be in some tapes because I always sat in the front row (on the extreme left hand side with the peasants, not in the center front row with the nomenclatura), rubber thongs, no socks, sport shirt with no tie -- dress code was pretty much nil at that time.
[FairfieldLife] Maharishi The Special (was Re: Ring clarification)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] I'm still not letting you babysit my cats Nabby. Can you imagine if he did? Here we have Curtis who left TM and the TMO about 20 years ago, thinking he's away from all that. Then he gives Nabby a night alone with his cats and before you know it, he's initiated the whole flock of 'em. Then Curtis is stuck with a bunch of bliss ninnies who only talk non-stop about is when Master is moving to Fairfield so they can all fly in the Dome on a regular basis.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Craziness of the Hindu Realm
It's past the time for the Indian TMO to carry its own weight financially, and for Western TMers to remember that charity begins at home, by reinvesting Western financial resources at home, rather than shipping 40%- 50% to India by default. Shipping financial resources that finance free TM instruction in India while simultaneously raising the threshold of learning TM in the West is virtually unpatriotic. Who will stand up and end this most unjust confiscation of financial resources ? Get a clue, Bevan, John, etc., or soon you'll be big fish in a very small pond. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: snip If Garish Girish succeeds, it will be in large part because he made the cost of learning TM is so much cheaper (as a percentage of annual income) than it is in the West. And that pisses me off. Not that 10 million won't learn TM -- that is of course a wonderful thing -- but that he had to wait for his uncle to die before he went off on his own and did it. Uh, Shemp, I believe it's always been much cheaper in India (if not free--I hope Girish hasn't started charging for what had previously been free).
[FairfieldLife] Maharishi The Special (was Re: Ring clarification)
Curtis, you asked me a question about crop circles last week just after I ran out of posts--if you're interested, I've responded in post #185753, the thread headed South Field Crop Circle...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Craziness of the Hindu Realm
You tell em Mainstream. This has a real shoe pounding on the podium feel about. Or Roosevelt. Or maybe Obama. THE TIME HAS COME, AND THE INDIANS MUST, I SAY, THEY MUST ACKNOWLEDGE THE FREE RIDE THEY HAVE THUS HAD. NO MORE CAN WE AFFORD TO SEND OUR HARD EARNED CURRENCY TO THIS DEVELOPING COUNTRY. THIS IS THE COUNTRY WHERE THE VED WAS BORN. SURELY, SURELY I SAY IT IS TIME FOR THIS GREAT SUB CONTINTENT TO RISE UP AND BECOME SELF SUFFICIENT. THE INDIANS UNDER THE GUIDANCE OF THEIR NEW LEADER SRI GIRISH VARMA WILL RISE TO THE OCCASSION. THEY WILL USHER IN THIS RISING AGE OF ENLIGHTENMENT THROUGH THE BLESSINGS OF MAHARISHIJI, AND BY THE SUPREME BLESSINGS OF SWAMI BRAHMANAND SARASWATI JI SHANKARAJARYA OF JYOTIRMATH, BADARASHAM HIMALAYA. THE TIME HAS COME FOR CHANGE, AND CHANGE WE MUST --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's past the time for the Indian TMO to carry its own weight financially, and for Western TMers to remember that charity begins at home, by reinvesting Western financial resources at home, rather than shipping 40%- 50% to India by default. Shipping financial resources that finance free TM instruction in India while simultaneously raising the threshold of learning TM in the West is virtually unpatriotic. Who will stand up and end this most unjust confiscation of financial resources ? Get a clue, Bevan, John, etc., or soon you'll be big fish in a very small pond. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: snip If Garish Girish succeeds, it will be in large part because he made the cost of learning TM is so much cheaper (as a percentage of annual income) than it is in the West. And that pisses me off. Not that 10 million won't learn TM -- that is of course a wonderful thing -- but that he had to wait for his uncle to die before he went off on his own and did it. Uh, Shemp, I believe it's always been much cheaper in India (if not free--I hope Girish hasn't started charging for what had previously been free).
