[FairfieldLife] Re: Sex Challenge from a Texas Pastor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: To All: It appears that this pastor is trying to grab the headlines for his church coffers. Also, the challenge may not be good for the participants, considering the ayurvedic principle that losing the body's ojas may be detrimental to one's health. Have you ever considered the possibility that the ayurvedic principle that losing the body's ojas may be detremental to one's health, besides being in direct contradiction to medical studies that show that frequent ejaculation *significantly* reduces the risk of prostate cancer, might have more than a passing resemblance to anal retention? Some people get so weird that they're afraid to shit. They hold onto those turds as long as humanly possible, and come up with all sorts of rationalizations for their behavior. But the behavior is usually viewed as an aberration, and an indication of poor mental health. Some people get so weird that they're afraid to ejaculate. Some have convinced themselves doing so is bad for their health, and come up with not only rationalizations for their behavior, but teachings that claim that hanging onto their semen with the same fervor that an anal retentive individual hangs onto their shit is beneficial to their spiritual progress. *On this forum* people have claimed that doing this is *essential* to become enlightened. And yet the latter behavior is rarely spoken of as an aberration and an indicator of poor mental health. How...uh...cum? :-) ok, got the gross out post...for the record, ew. next, you are scheduled to post a bright shiny piece about either: 1) a time when you met a celebrity, or 2) a special 'spiritual' story, or 3) a travelogue. or if my timing is slightly off, possibly another thoughtful diatribe about caricatures with negative traits. T'would seem that someone is so caught up in bash Barry mode that she can't tell out of the box thinking from a gross out. :-) I'm perfectly serious here. I consider an obsession about celibacy -- for anyone *for whom celibacy does not come easily and naturally* -- to be just that, an obsession. I honestly do not see the fear of ejaculation clung to by wannabe celibates for whom celibacy does NOT come easily to be terribly different from the fear of shitting clung to by anal retentives. If you disagree, please make a case for the difference you see there. IMO, the only difference is religious thinking, and the suspension of thinking and rationality that many -- possibly most -- people start to display when religious thinking is trotted out in support of an obsession. The way I see it, an obsession with celibacy is IN ALL CASES an obsession. I've met a few genuine celibates in my life, and for them the thought of sex and, more important, *talking about* sex and their lack of it just NEVER COMES UP. Unlike BillyG, unlike others on this forum who use their supposed celibacy to raise themselves on a pedestal of their own design high over the lesser people on this forum who still have and enjoy sex, real celibates just don't go there. Sex just isn't of much interest to them. Talking about it is of even less interest. On the other hand, *due to religion and its sad influence on this sad planet*, there are a lot of people who talk, talk, talk about celibacy and especially *their own celibacy* and thus FOCUS ON SEX AND SEXUALITY pretty much all of the time. And as we've all been told by the *same* religious traditions that espouse celibacy, What you focus on you become. They've become focused on -- and obsessed with -- sex. The supposed celibates on this forum almost certainly think about sex more often than I do. For me, at my age, thoughts about sex almost never come up unless I happen to be with an interesting woman with whom sex seems to be an immediate pos- sibility in the future. And at my age, that situ- ation doesn't come up all that much. :-) And yet I think all of us here would agree that BillyG probably thinks about sex -- and how cool and more evolved he is for staying away from its evil influence -- dozens, perhaps hundreds of times a day. You can feel it in what he writes. So what I am suggesting -- *completely* seriously -- is that BillyG's and JohnR's rants about celibacy remind me more of the aberrations of an anal retentive than they do anything of spiritual value. Again, I've met a few genuine celibates, and they would be as turned off by Billy and JohnR's rants as I am. They would look upon such rants as what they are: obsession. Now go back and look at your reaction to what I wrote. I would say that your reaction to one bodily function as a gross out compared to another as not says a great deal about you. I would say that your
[FairfieldLife] Re: New summary of the Maharishi Effect research with bibliography
ANd teh spooky action at a distance thing has been around for more than 3 decades also... L. Yes but the crucial thing about spooky action at a distance is that you can't use it to transmit information. That means you can't use it to cause a change at a distance. In any case to get quantum action at a distance you have to protect the entangled system from the environment. If you don't then it becomes entangled with the environment and that messes up any coherent effects. So you can't even get quantum action at a distance with classical objects such as human bodies. It's all a load of rubbish.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sex Challenge from a Texas Pastor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: To All: It appears that this pastor is trying to grab the headlines for his church coffers. Also, the challenge may not be good for the participants, considering the ayurvedic principle that losing the body's ojas may be detrimental to one's health. Have you ever considered the possibility that the ayurvedic principle that losing the body's ojas may be detremental to one's health, besides being in direct contradiction to medical studies that show that frequent ejaculation *significantly* reduces the risk of prostate cancer, might have more than a passing resemblance to anal retention? You should join the Texas pastor's congregation. Perhaps you can find a woman there who will be willing to practice what you preach. Let us know how you feel after a week.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sex Challenge from a Texas Pastor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: To All: It appears that this pastor is trying to grab the headlines for his church coffers. Also, the challenge may not be good for the participants, considering the ayurvedic principle that losing the body's ojas may be detrimental to one's health. Have you ever considered the possibility that the ayurvedic principle that losing the body's ojas may be detremental to one's health, besides being in direct contradiction to medical studies that show that frequent ejaculation *significantly* reduces the risk of prostate cancer, might have more than a passing resemblance to anal retention? You should join the Texas pastor's congregation. Perhaps you can find a woman there who will be willing to practice what you preach. Let us know how you feel after a week. Please see my followup post to enlightened_dawn. Reply if you can. I honestly believe that you're more hung up on sex than I am, and that in your case it's a hangup that has strayed over the line into aberration. If you disagree, try to make a case for what you believe without resorting to scripture or to the claims of religion or religion- associated folk medicine to back up your obsession. I'll bet you can't.
[FairfieldLife] Re: New summary of the Maharishi Effect research with bibliography
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ANd teh spooky action at a distance thing has been around for more than 3 decades also... L. Yes but the crucial thing about spooky action at a distance is that you can't use it to transmit information. That means you can't use it to cause a change at a distance. In any case to get quantum action at a distance you have to protect the entangled system from the environment. If you don't then it becomes entangled with the environment and that messes up any coherent effects. So you can't even get quantum action at a distance with classical objects such as human bodies. It's all a load of rubbish. How about human mind and consciousness? anor aniiyaan mahato mahiiyaan tadejati tannaijati taddure tadvantike | tadantarasya sarvasya tadu sarvasya bahyatah and stuff, y'know! ;)
[FairfieldLife] Re: O Partha, surrender not to unmanliness.. Gita 2vs3
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The essence of the Bhagavad Gita is the warfare between the little ego, (a product of the mind, blinded by the senses), and the Soul, a reflection of the almighty omnipresent God. The battle is waged between the 5 Pandu warriors (the 5 chakras and their powers), and Duryodana, (the 100 'evil' sense mind tendencies, a product of the blind mind or Dhritarashtra). The weapons for the Pandus are the *eight* limbs of Yoga delineated by Patanjali; meditation, self discipline, non violence, chastity and so forth. The practice of all of these limbs simultaneously (MMY Gita) bring about the unfoldment of all the powers of the chakras. The weapons for the enemy are numerous and include; ignorance of our own divine nature, delusion, pride, ego, lust, anger and greed to name a few, 100 to be exact! 20 vices for each of the 5 senses. The battle is waged in the body of man called the Kurushetra, 'kuru' from Sanskrit root 'kri' meaning action, and 'shetra' meaning field. If 'kuru' is derived from the root 'kR'(kri), it is the second person singular imperative form, as in 'yogasthaH kuru karmaaNi!' Thus 'kuru kSetram' could mean for instance '(thou) make a field!'
[FairfieldLife] Celibacy, Another View
I do so love finding people's hot buttons, and there is no doubt that the Puritanical, fear-based approach to sex and sexuality one finds in the TM movement has spawned more than a few of those hot buttons. So, to push them further in those who have them, and more hopefully to draw intelligent comment from those still capable of it, here is the best commentary on the value or non- value of celibacy in the pursuit of enlight- enment I've ever heard. This is a paraphrase, done from memory, of a short exchange I heard from a spiritual teacher I met once. The speaker is the high lama of a Tibetan monas- tery in exile in Bhutan; he is also the recog- nized tulku (known and tested reincarnation) of a famous 19th-century enlightened saint, and is widely regarded by those in Buddhist circles as fully enlightened in this incar- nation. He is, as far as I know, celibate, but many members of his sangha, including his fellow lamas at the monastery he presides over, are not. His response was to someone worried that sex was going to deplete their shakti. Those who do not have sex out of fear of depleting the shakti they 'need' to realize enlightenment are foolish. If the tiny amount of shakti released when having sex is going to keep them from enlightenment, they never had a chance of realizing it in the first place. To believe otherwise is as ludicrous as believing that by taking a drink of water you are lowering the level of the oceans. E=MC2. Neither matter nor energy can ever be created or destroyed. (Hearty laugh on his part at this point...he was educated in Western schools.) The entire *universe* is shakti. Nothing you can possibly do or not do will increase or decrease the levels of it in any way. Sex, no sex...married, not-married...no difference. Nothing you can possibly do or not do is going to affect your ability to realize enlightenment because you are already enlightened. As for shakti, the tradition I come from says that even one minute spent suppressing a sexual desire or feeling guilty about having one wastes more energy than having sex a hundred times. Stop pretending that what you do or don't do with your wanger (his term, really) is going to speed or delay your realization of your own enlightenment. It won't, and all that such beliefs will do is make you joy- less and a drag on other members of your sangha. Whether you have sex doesn't matter. Whether you don't have sex doesn't matter. Neither affects your realization in any way. Only how you live and how you treat other sentient beings does that, and if your fear of sex renders you joyless *as* you live, that will sabotage your realization more surely than if you had sex with all the women in the world.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The flavor of FairfieldLife
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 24, 2008, at 6:39 PM, do.rflex wrote: I don't what your sources are Vaj, but: Abraham: The root of three religions http://www.hyperhistory.net/apwh/bios/b1abraham.htm Actually there's no legit evidence that Abraham, or any of the others existed until you get to Solomon. Yeah. Other than the Biblical texts themselves, I recently read that there's no historical corroborating evidence of a Moses or a Pharoah who enslaved the Israelites or Israelites wandering the desert for 40 years. It appears that it's just tribal myths passed along. My own personal opinion is that the creepy, sadistic, bloody, murdering, jealous and vengeful 'god' of the Old Testament was a politically useful creation of the character of the quasi-savage/barbaric peoples of the times. As baby Abraham gave his first lusty cry at being brought into this cold and cruel world, few would have guessed that his influence would be felt down through the ages. Three of today's major religions trace their roots back to him, each viewing him as their founder or at least their forefather. Although Judaism, Christianity, and Islam see Abraham as an important character in their past, each sees him this way for a different reason. Abraham is very important to Judaism. Jews believe that God called Abraham out of Ur of the Chaldees (Mesopotamia) in order to make a covenant with him. Through this covenant, God would bless him and give Abraham's descendants a new land. Abraham left his home to become a wandering herdsman because he had faith in God's promise: I will make you into a great nation and I will bless you; I will make your name great and you will be a blessing. I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you. (Genesis 12:2-4) God led Abraham through a series of trials in order to test whether or not Abraham really believed God's promise. The most drastic trial Abraham experienced occurred when God told Abraham to sacrifice his only son Isaac through whom the future Messiah (Savior) was promised. Although greatly troubled, Abraham went through with God's request because he reasoned that God would still somehow fulfill his promise. God rewarded Abraham's obedience by sending and angel to stop him from killing Isaac and providing a lamb to take Isaac's place. In essence, without Abraham, Jews would not be the chosen people among the nations through which a Savior would later come. Abraham is indispensable to Christianity, but for a far different reason than he is to Judaism or Islam. Christians hold to the same historical account as the Jews do; but Christians make a further-reaching conclusion. Christians view God's interaction and covenant with Abraham as something leading up to the coming of Jesus Christ. God's love for his creation was so infinite that he determined to somehow bridge the immeasurable gap that man had made when he sinned. To this end God made the first covenant with Abraham which included the promise of a future savior, Jesus, who would come through Abraham's descendants. Any covenant that was made demanded blood to seal the pact. Just as Abraham killed a heifer, a goat, and a ram each three years old, along with a dove and young pigeon, (NIV, Genesis 15:9) to seal the first covenant, Christians believe that Christ's blood, when he died on the cross, sealed the second. Christians draw many parallels between Jesus and Abraham's life. One of the best known examples is the story of Isaac. Isaac was Abrahams dearly loved, only son through whom God had promised the future salvation of the world. Yet God asked Abraham to sacrifice Isaac to see if Abraham's faith extended that far. Just before Abraham was about to plunge the knife into his only son, an angel stopped him and God provided a ram to die in Isaac's stead. Christians see Jesus as God's only son whom he loved infinitely, yet for the sake of mankind God sacrificed his only son. Jesus became the sacrificial lamb so that: Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord [Jesus] will be saved. (NIV, Romans 10:13) In conclusion, although they don't trace their lineage back to Abraham, Christians view themselves as adopted sons because they consider themselves sons of Jesus who was the future promise for Abraham's descendents. Abraham's role in Islam is different from that which he plays in either Christianity or Judaism. Arab Muslims trace their lineage back to Abraham through Ishmael. Call me Ishmael... Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New summary of the Maharishi Effect research with bibliography
--- On Mon, 11/24/08, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New summary of the Maharishi Effect research with bibliography To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, November 24, 2008, 11:38 PM On Nov 24, 2008, at 10:08 PM, Peter wrote: You didn't get the memo, it isn't about flying anymore. But it is still about spooky action at a distance. Incredible mellowing waves effect your neighbors, who will either become mellow or become violent, whatever Nature wants. Ah yes, the prima facia contradicted Maharishi Effect. Towns with 10% meditators are filled with crime WTF! ;-) Ah, but it's *Enlightened* crime! Sal I have a longtime friend in Fairfield who has a Ph.D. in sociology, is in the domes and has done research on the ME. We were talking last month and he was telling me about the insanity of the rank-and-file who will absolutely listen to nothing the contradicts the ME. He also said so many people think they are scientists by going to the domes. WTF! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Re: New summary of the Maharishi Effect research with bibliography
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- On Mon, 11/24/08, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New summary of the Maharishi Effect research with bibliography To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, November 24, 2008, 11:38 PM On Nov 24, 2008, at 10:08 PM, Peter wrote: You didn't get the memo, it isn't about flying anymore. But it is still about spooky action at a distance. Incredible mellowing waves effect your neighbors, who will either become mellow or become violent, whatever Nature wants. Ah yes, the prima facia contradicted Maharishi Effect. Towns with 10% meditators are filled with crime WTF! ;-) Ah, but it's *Enlightened* crime! Sal I have a longtime friend in Fairfield who has a Ph.D. in sociology, is in the domes and has done research on the ME. We were talking last month and he was telling me about the insanity of the rank-and-file who will absolutely listen to nothing the contradicts the ME. He also said so many people think they are scientists by going to the domes. WTF! Brings to mind the 'science' of the contemporary Christian Right wackos.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The flavor of FairfieldLife
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 24, 2008, at 6:18 PM, do.rflex wrote: A peculiar side note: Both Islam and Judaism hold their God to be the -same- God of Abraham. And therein lies the crux of our disagreement: a claim. Please understand that to a practicing or observant Jew, that's all it really is, a claim made thousands and thousands of years later. Really, if you tried to appreciate the wild separation of timeline along with the claim (of Allah-IHVH similitude) you might appreciate how bizarre a claim it really is. However (conversely) if you look at the two (IHVH and Allah) as contemporaneous, it sounds downright friendly. Shouldn't we all just be friends? Let's fudge for friendship and ignore the relative realities! It's this disparity you seem to be missing. And given that Islam has a known historical date of origin, it's a pretty difficult span to breach, unless one is an adherent of a philosophia perennis (aperennialist) or a theosophist. From the Arabian side, it's much easier at so late a date to make such a wild claim (that Allah is IHVH or G*d). My comment was in terms of generally accepted religious views, not orthodox or historically established technicalities. If you want to get into scientific or academic areas, you can debunk just about any 'religious' claims.
[FairfieldLife] What professions are most and least ethical? Poll results
[ Nurses score #1, as they have in all but one year of this poll's existence. Who ranks lowest? ] http://news.aol.com/article/poll-rates-most-and-least-ethical-jobs/259161 Poll Rates Most and Least Ethical Jobs by Lydia Saad, Gallup Poll PRINCETON, N.J. (Nov. 24) - For the seventh straight year, nurses enjoy top public accolades in Gallup's annual Honesty and Ethics of professions survey. Eighty-four percent of Americans call their honesty and ethical standards either high or very high. This year's results are based on a Nov. 7-9 USA Today/Gallup poll rating the honesty and ethics of workers in 21 different professions. Nurses have topped Gallup's Honesty and Ethics ranking every year but one since they were added to the list in 1999. The exception is 2001, when firefighters were included on the list on a one-time basis, shortly after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. (Firefighters earned a record-high 90% honesty and ethics rating in that survey.) Bankers Take a Hit The standing of most of the professions surveyed in 2008 is similar to that of a year ago. The only significant change is a 12 percentage-point decline in positive ratings for bankers, from 35% to 23% -- not surprising given that the banking industry is at the center of the Wall Street meltdown currently gutting many Americans' investment accounts and destabilizing the U.S. economy. (Earlier this year, Gallup reported a similar decline in public confidence in banking as an institution.) The 2008 Gallup Honesty and Ethics poll marks the first time since 1996 that the honesty and ethics of bankers has registered below 30%. The last time bankers took a hit of similar magnitude to their image was in 1988, when it fell from 38% to 26% during the savings and loan crisis. However, the 23% recorded today marks a record low for the field. 2008 Integrity Rankings Nurses have no peer in the Gallup rankings today, but they are followed by pharmacists, high-school teachers, and medical doctors, all with close to two-thirds of Americans rating them highly. Just over half of Americans consider the honesty and ethics of clergy members and the police high or very high. While fewer than half of Americans consider funeral directors or accountants to be highly ethical, these professions are much more likely to be viewed positively than negatively. Building contractors, bankers, journalists, and real estate agents each receive relatively neutral ratings. About as many Americans think each of these professions has low honesty and ethics as rate them highly, while the plurality or majority consider these professions of average integrity. While bankers could be faring much worse, a year ago they were in the top-rated category, with 35% rating their ethics high or very high and only 15% rating them low or very low. Indeed, several professions suffer from a heavily negative tilt in their image ratings. The worst of these are lobbyists, telemarketers, and car salesmen, all of which are considered to have low or very low honesty and ethics by a majority of Americans. Although several other professions -- congressmen, stockbrokers, advertising practitioners, business executives, lawyers, and labor union leaders -- are not as negatively viewed as the bottom three, the ratings for them skew negative by more than a 2-to-1 ratio. The 12% very high/high honesty and ethics ratings for business executives, although not appreciably different from the 14% recorded in 2007, is a record low for that profession. It had registered as high as 25% in 1990 and 2001. Survey Methods Results are based on telephone interviews with 1,010 national adults, aged 18 and older, conducted Nov. 7-9, 2008. For results based on the total sample of national adults, one can say with 95% confidence that the maximum margin of sampling error is ±3 percentage points. Interviews are conducted with respondents on land-line telephones (for respondents with a land-line telephone) and cellular phones (for respondents who are cell-phone only). In addition to sampling error, question wording and practical difficulties in conducting surveys can introduce error or bias into the findings of public opinion polls.
[FairfieldLife] Re: New summary of the Maharishi Effect research with bibliography
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ANd teh spooky action at a distance thing has been around for more than 3 decades also... L. Yes but the crucial thing about spooky action at a distance is that you can't use it to transmit information. That means you can't use it to cause a change at a distance. In any case to get quantum action at a distance you have to protect the entangled system from the environment. If you don't then it becomes entangled with the environment and that messes up any coherent effects. So you can't even get quantum action at a distance with classical objects such as human bodies. It's all a load of rubbish. Who says that we're talking about he body here? QM effects in the brain are being promoted by many people, not just John Hagelin. Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: YouTube - Bruce Lee plays ping pong with nunchuck.flv
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sparaig Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:05 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: YouTube - Bruce Lee plays ping pong with nunchuck.flv --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Anyone know if this is for real? It was done in the days before computer animation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QHslHpK4-Q Look at the shadows. Also note that this has never surfaced before now and is in an advertisement... Shadows? What am I looking for? Which way do they go? What side of a face is illuminated? What shadows show for the table as compared to the people, and how do they change as the person moves from one spot to the next? Etc. Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Gas price?
Does the drop in price mean a temporary situation to eliminate the competition?
[FairfieldLife] Peter Schiff, guy who predicted housing bubble, says we're really f'd
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGHODRNJqRo
[FairfieldLife] 'Real' Americans [not the fake ones] Thank Sarah Palin
Warning: Don't watch this video clip on Thanksgiving if you're not a 'real' American. It may ruin your appetite. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBoJDXW-ly0
[FairfieldLife] Re: O Partha, surrender not to unmanliness.. Gita 2vs3
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The battle is waged in the body of man called the Kurushetra, 'kuru' from Sanskrit root 'kri' meaning action, and 'shetra' meaning field. If 'kuru' is derived from the root 'kR'(kri), it is the second person singular imperative form, as in 'yogasthaH kuru karmaaNi!' Thus 'kuru kSetram' could mean for instance '(thou) make a field!' Don't know that much about Sanskrit though I think oftentimes the scriptures are intuitively interpreted based on context due to its (scriptures) abstract nature. Complicate that with one root could many different things like you suggested. If you read MMY's Gita you'll find a much different interpretation than Swami Yogananda's, personally I think the laters is much more safisfying.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The flavor of FairfieldLife
On Nov 25, 2008, at 5:55 AM, do.rflex wrote: Actually there's no legit evidence that Abraham, or any of the others existed until you get to Solomon. Yeah. Other than the Biblical texts themselves, I recently read that there's no historical corroborating evidence of a Moses or a Pharoah who enslaved the Israelites or Israelites wandering the desert for 40 years. It appears that it's just tribal myths passed along. Correct. Sometime in the early 90s someone found something with House of David written on it, from that period, so up until then there was no evidence of him either. And that actually isn't evidence so much of one person as of a lineage. My own personal opinion is that the creepy, sadistic, bloody, murdering, jealous and vengeful 'god' of the Old Testament was a politically useful creation of the character of the quasi-savage/barbaric peoples of the times. And he was fairly liberal by the standards of the day! Sal
[FairfieldLife] Russian Guy Sees US Collapse'
RUSSIAN ANALYST PREDICTS DECLINE AND BREAKUP OF USA Tue Nov 25 2008 09:04:22 ET A leading Russian political analyst has said the economic turmoil in the United States has confirmed his long-held view that the country is heading for collapse, and will divide into separate parts. Professor Igor Panarin said in an interview with the respected daily IZVESTIA published on Monday: The dollar is not secured by anything. The country's foreign debt has grown like an avalanche, even though in the early 1980s there was no debt. By 1998, when I first made my prediction, it had exceeded $2 trillion. Now it is more than 11 trillion. This is a pyramid that can only collapse. The paper said Panarin's dire predictions for the U.S. economy, initially made at an international conference in Australia 10 years ago at a time when the economy appeared strong, have been given more credence by this year's events. When asked when the U.S. economy would collapse, Panarin said: It is already collapsing. Due to the financial crisis, three of the largest and oldest five banks on Wall Street have already ceased to exist, and two are barely surviving. Their losses are the biggest in history. Now what we will see is a change in the regulatory system on a global financial scale: America will no longer be the world's financial regulator. When asked who would replace the U.S. in regulating world markets, he said: Two countries could assume this role: China, with its vast reserves, and Russia, which could play the role of a regulator in Eurasia. Asked why he expected the U.S. to break up into separate parts, he said: A whole range of reasons. Firstly, the financial problems in the U.S. will get worse. Millions of citizens there have lost their savings. Prices and unemployment are on the rise. General Motors and Ford are on the verge of collapse, and this means that whole cities will be left without work. Governors are already insistently demanding money from the federal center. Dissatisfaction is growing, and at the moment it is only being held back by the elections and the hope that Obama can work miracles. But by spring, it will be clear that there are no miracles. He also cited the vulnerable political setup, lack of unified national laws, and divisions among the elite, which have become clear in these crisis conditions. He predicted that the U.S. will break up into six parts - the Pacific coast, with its growing Chinese population; the South, with its Hispanics; Texas, where independence movements are on the rise; the Atlantic coast, with its distinct and separate mentality; five of the poorer central states with their large Native American populations; and the northern states, where the influence from Canada is strong. He even suggested that we could claim Alaska - it was only granted on lease, after all. Panarin, 60, is a professor at the Diplomatic Academy of the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and has authored several books on information warfare.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New summary of the Maharishi Effect research with bibliography
On Nov 25, 2008, at 6:05 AM, Peter wrote: I have a longtime friend in Fairfield who has a Ph.D. in sociology, is in the domes and has done research on the ME. We were talking last month and he was telling me about the insanity of the rank-and- file who will absolutely listen to nothing the contradicts the ME. He also said so many people think they are scientists by going to the domes. WTF! Hasn't that pretty much always been the meme there? You're doing research into consciousness. Makes people feel sitting on their butts 4 hours a day is actually accomplishing something. Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Real' Americans [not the fake ones] Thank Sarah Palin
On Nov 25, 2008, at 7:55 AM, do.rflex wrote: Warning: Don't watch this video clip on Thanksgiving if you're not a 'real' American. It may ruin your appetite. Hey, we owe her a lot--she undoubtedly helped put Obama over the top. Mencken was wrong--there actually is a limit to Americans' acceptance of idiocy, and she finally exceeded it. So...thank you, Sarah Palin and especially John McCain--two of the best friends the Dems have ever had! Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: The flavor of FairfieldLife
Both points by Do and Sal were fascinating. You hear these names thrown around so much it is easy to forget that scripture was really never meant to be history as much as an advocacy piece for a POV. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 25, 2008, at 5:55 AM, do.rflex wrote: Actually there's no legit evidence that Abraham, or any of the others existed until you get to Solomon. Yeah. Other than the Biblical texts themselves, I recently read that there's no historical corroborating evidence of a Moses or a Pharoah who enslaved the Israelites or Israelites wandering the desert for 40 years. It appears that it's just tribal myths passed along. Correct. Sometime in the early 90s someone found something with House of David written on it, from that period, so up until then there was no evidence of him either. And that actually isn't evidence so much of one person as of a lineage. My own personal opinion is that the creepy, sadistic, bloody, murdering, jealous and vengeful 'god' of the Old Testament was a politically useful creation of the character of the quasi-savage/barbaric peoples of the times. And he was fairly liberal by the standards of the day! Sal
[FairfieldLife] Witchcraft on India's school curriculum
Witchcraft on India's school curriculum Primary school children in India will learn about witchcraft in the classroom as part of an effort to dispell superstitions and stop deadly witch-hunts. Last Updated: 6:55AM GMT 24 Nov 2008 Many tribal communities in the country believe in witches and their ability to cause harm to people, animals and the harvest. About 750 people, mostly old women, are estimated to have been killed in witch-hunts in rural India since 2003. In one of the worst cases, a family of four stoned and buried alive for allegedly cursing a relative of the village chief, the Times reports. Advocates for a change to the syllabus say beliefs must be altered early if India’s witch-hunts are to be stamped out. But some academics argue that witch-hunts are linked to economic conditions and claim that pensions, not education, are the best way to eradicate belief in black magic. Studies suggest that more “witches” are identified during hard times, the paper said. In the 16th and 17th centuries, an estimated one million women were killed in Europe for dabbling in the black arts. Last month, a petition calling for a posthumous pardon for women and men who were executed as British witches was presented to the British government.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: The flavor of FairfieldLife
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of raunchydog Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 12:04 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The flavor of FairfieldLife The territory Judy claims on FF Life is calling Barry out on his BS, and refusing to let his trollish behavior go unanswered. Her analytical abilities are awesome and I am thankful she stands on principle that no one should tolerate lying. I respect her integrity as a writer and I rely on her to take out the garbage. Whenever Judy takes Barry to the woodshed for the spanking he deserves, I'm sure some part of him masochistically enjoys his foray to the woodshed because he always comes back for more. I wonder how many read their squabbling posts? Maybe only you. They might do better to squabble through personal emails, and save their 50 posts for topics others will actually read.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Celibacy, Another View
Great rap Turq. I do think that fear of losing sexual energy is one of the most damaging so called spiritual beliefs. It puts people in a double bind. I equate sexual energy with health and vitality. Virility is one of the first casualties of becoming sick. Use it or lose it seems to be the nature of our reproductive organs. People who crow about subduing their sex drive seem like old withered vines, no matter what their age. Focusing on the act itself is exactly the wrong thing to focus on to create a meaningful life IMO. For a person who has had sex with someone they love it becomes communication magic. A real spiritual connection. I have never been a fan of casual sex because in my teens I had a defining love relationship that shaped my whole sexual awakening. I understood the context that made sex great. As a serial monogamist, I have learned that taking each stage of sex communication slowly allows your personal friendship to grow enough to support the challenge that such intimacy brings. That has served me well in not ending up physically intimate with someone who I discover I don't really like. Of course this view is also shaped by my religious upbringing so I'm pretty sure that I am not speaking in universals here. Some people seem to do just fine with the wam bam thank you m'am lifestyle. I think they must be wired a little differently emotionally. Sex without love, as Woody Allan says, is an empty meaningless experience. But among empty meaningless experiences, it is one of the best! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do so love finding people's hot buttons, and there is no doubt that the Puritanical, fear-based approach to sex and sexuality one finds in the TM movement has spawned more than a few of those hot buttons. So, to push them further in those who have them, and more hopefully to draw intelligent comment from those still capable of it, here is the best commentary on the value or non- value of celibacy in the pursuit of enlight- enment I've ever heard. This is a paraphrase, done from memory, of a short exchange I heard from a spiritual teacher I met once. The speaker is the high lama of a Tibetan monas- tery in exile in Bhutan; he is also the recog- nized tulku (known and tested reincarnation) of a famous 19th-century enlightened saint, and is widely regarded by those in Buddhist circles as fully enlightened in this incar- nation. He is, as far as I know, celibate, but many members of his sangha, including his fellow lamas at the monastery he presides over, are not. His response was to someone worried that sex was going to deplete their shakti. Those who do not have sex out of fear of depleting the shakti they 'need' to realize enlightenment are foolish. If the tiny amount of shakti released when having sex is going to keep them from enlightenment, they never had a chance of realizing it in the first place. To believe otherwise is as ludicrous as believing that by taking a drink of water you are lowering the level of the oceans. E=MC2. Neither matter nor energy can ever be created or destroyed. (Hearty laugh on his part at this point...he was educated in Western schools.) The entire *universe* is shakti. Nothing you can possibly do or not do will increase or decrease the levels of it in any way. Sex, no sex...married, not-married...no difference. Nothing you can possibly do or not do is going to affect your ability to realize enlightenment because you are already enlightened. As for shakti, the tradition I come from says that even one minute spent suppressing a sexual desire or feeling guilty about having one wastes more energy than having sex a hundred times. Stop pretending that what you do or don't do with your wanger (his term, really) is going to speed or delay your realization of your own enlightenment. It won't, and all that such beliefs will do is make you joy- less and a drag on other members of your sangha. Whether you have sex doesn't matter. Whether you don't have sex doesn't matter. Neither affects your realization in any way. Only how you live and how you treat other sentient beings does that, and if your fear of sex renders you joyless *as* you live, that will sabotage your realization more surely than if you had sex with all the women in the world.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The flavor of FairfieldLife
On Nov 25, 2008, at 9:42 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: Both points by Do and Sal were fascinating. You hear these names thrown around so much it is easy to forget that scripture was really never meant to be history as much as an advocacy piece for a POV. And as far as I know, there's not even any credible evidence for Jesus' existence either, outside of one reference by, I think, Tacitus. Keep the faith...I'll take the fortune! Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Real' Americans [not the fake ones] Thank Sarah Palin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Warning: Don't watch this video clip on Thanksgiving if you're not a 'real' American. It may ruin your appetite. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBoJDXW-ly0 That was brilliantly idiotic! It reminds me of watching refer madness where their over the top sincerity all turns to snark in my twisted brain!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The flavor of FairfieldLife
On Nov 25, 2008, at 9:52 AM, Rick Archer wrote: I wonder how many read their squabbling posts? Maybe only you. They might do better to squabble through personal emails, and save their 50 posts for topics others will actually read. Wouldn't be nearly as much fun for them. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: The flavor of FairfieldLife
(snip) It's called Fairfield Life, right? Well, remember there's always been the conflict in Fairfield, Between the Ru's and the Townie's... So, just think of it like that...it's sort of built into the equation. I actually think that some of the townies are possessed by bad spirits which get released, as the many people, who have passed through Fairfield, probably a few bad spirits got dropped off... And may have attatched to some on the south side, so be careful, out there... I just know that there's more going on than meets the eye. All of this fighting and conflict, just gives an opportunity, To feel it and let it go. Don't let it 'pull you in'... Stay balanced. This is the challenge of our time...as well. Many old 'stuff' is being released and revealed... There is much fear, of the economic situation, and the change for some that scare them about Barack Obama. So, the challenge becomes, to stay 'in the light'... In a vibration of acceptance, instead of fighting the bad, or running from it. There's nothing to fear, but the vibration of fear... R.G.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The flavor of FairfieldLife
On Nov 25, 2008, at 11:11 AM, Sal Sunshine wrote: On Nov 25, 2008, at 9:42 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: Both points by Do and Sal were fascinating. You hear these names thrown around so much it is easy to forget that scripture was really never meant to be history as much as an advocacy piece for a POV. And as far as I know, there's not even any credible evidence for Jesus' existence either, outside of one reference by, I think, Tacitus. What about the Talmud and Josephus?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Gas price?
Does the drop in price mean a temporary situation to eliminate the competition? No one knows where the price will go. It fluctuates depending on buying and selling pressures in the futures market and that market sometimes has big uptrends and sometimes has big downtrends. Some people buy because they are gambling that the price will go higher and some sell because they are gambling that the price will go lower and some buy or sell because they are hedging a position. It's like a big casino. The markets attract an international crowd and are too huge and risky for anyone to play games with just to try to eliminate the competition. Remember the Hunt brothers and the silver debacle? https://www.kitcomm.com/archive/index.php?t-17166.html Love will swallow you, eat you up completely, until there is no `you,' only love. - Amma --- On Tue, 11/25/08, Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] Gas price? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 8:28 AM Does the drop in price mean a temporary situation to eliminate the competition? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Re: Russian Guy Sees US Collapse'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: RUSSIAN ANALYST PREDICTS DECLINE AND BREAKUP OF USA Tue Nov 25 2008 09:04:22 ET A leading Russian political analyst has said the economic turmoil in the United States has confirmed his long-held view that the country is heading for collapse, and will divide into separate parts. Professor Igor Panarin said in an interview with the respected daily IZVESTIA published on Monday: The dollar is not secured by anything. The country's foreign debt has grown like an avalanche, even though in the early 1980s there was no debt. By 1998, when I first made my prediction, it had exceeded $2 trillion. Now it is more than 11 trillion. This is a pyramid that can only collapse. The paper said Panarin's dire predictions for the U.S. economy, initially made at an international conference in Australia 10 years ago at a time when the economy appeared strong, have been given more credence by this year's events. When asked when the U.S. economy would collapse, Panarin said: It is already collapsing. Due to the financial crisis, three of the largest and oldest five banks on Wall Street have already ceased to exist, and two are barely surviving. Their losses are the biggest in history. Now what we will see is a change in the regulatory system on a global financial scale: America will no longer be the world's financial regulator. When asked who would replace the U.S. in regulating world markets, he said: Two countries could assume this role: China, with its vast reserves, and Russia, which could play the role of a regulator in Eurasia. Asked why he expected the U.S. to break up into separate parts, he said: A whole range of reasons. Firstly, the financial problems in the U.S. will get worse. Millions of citizens there have lost their savings. Prices and unemployment are on the rise. General Motors and Ford are on the verge of collapse, and this means that whole cities will be left without work. Governors are already insistently demanding money from the federal center. Dissatisfaction is growing, and at the moment it is only being held back by the elections and the hope that Obama can work miracles. But by spring, it will be clear that there are no miracles. He also cited the vulnerable political setup, lack of unified national laws, and divisions among the elite, which have become clear in these crisis conditions. He predicted that the U.S. will break up into six parts - the Pacific coast, with its growing Chinese population; the South, with its Hispanics; Texas, where independence movements are on the rise; the Atlantic coast, with its distinct and separate mentality; five of the poorer central states with their large Native American populations; and the northern states, where the influence from Canada is strong. He even suggested that we could claim Alaska - it was only granted on lease, after all. Panarin, 60, is a professor at the Diplomatic Academy of the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and has authored several books on information warfare. Is this russian fellow a clairvoiant also ? I would not be one bit surprised if all these predictions come through in every detail, the north/south divide did not completely heal and recent history have shown that the americans are not able to digest the diversity they are so proud of - it's a hollow shell and show off like so much from that country. In addition it's an open question how long the finances will be available to have so many indian Pundits there to create enough coherence to keep the country together. When the country breaks up, in which part will you belong babajii-99 ?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The flavor of FairfieldLife
On Nov 25, 2008, at 10:16 AM, Vaj wrote:On Nov 25, 2008, at 9:42 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote:Both points by Do and Sal were fascinating.You hear these namesthrown around so much it is easy to forget that scripture was reallynever meant to be "history" as much as an advocacy piece for a POV.And as far as I know, there's not even any credible evidencefor Jesus' existence either, outside of one reference by, Ithink, Tacitus.What about the Talmud and Josephus?Josephus on JesusFrom Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaChristianity portalThis article is part of theJesus and historyseries of articles.There are two extant references inJosephus on Jesus, the one directly concerningJesushas come to be known as theTestimonium Flavianum. These passages appear inThe Antiquities of the Jews, written in the year 93 by the Jewish historianJosephus. All extant copies of this work, which all derive from Christian sources, even the recently recovered Arabic version, contain the two passages aboutJesus. The authenticity of the Testimonium Flavianum has been disputed since the 17th century, and by the mid 18th century the consensus view was that it was a forgery. This consensus was questioned in the 20th century. The other passage simply mentions Jesus as the brother ofJames, also known as James the Just. Though most scholars consider this passage genuine[1], its authenticity has been disputed byEmil Schüreras well by several recent popular writers.http://tinyurl.com/5r3sbIn like manner, references in the Talmud to various historical figures were said to be coded references to Jesus, despite Jewish insistence that the Talmud refers to other, actual persons. A prominent example isBalaamson of Beor, a pagan prophet who lived approximately 1000 years before Jesus, whose actions are portrayed in the Bible, in Numbers 22 through 31. The Talmud's harsh words against Balaam echo the Bible's own condemnation in Deuteronomy 23 and Nehemiah 13. Yet, these references were said to be secretly about Jesus.And:Despite the numerous mentions ofEdomwhich may refer to Christendom, the Talmud makes little mention of Jesus directly or the early Christians. There are a number of quotes about one or more individuals designated "Yeshu" that once existed in editions of the Talmud, although details about Yeshu do not match the known facts about Jesus' trial and death.http://tinyurl.com/hgglhSound credible to you?Sal
[FairfieldLife] 'Funny, We All Wait...'
Somehow it seems strange, that Barack Obama, has been elected President... And somehow we have a man in office, George W.Bush... Responsible for the misdirection and bankruptcy, of our country... Still sitting in the oval office... What's the hold-up? Oh, the constitution... Perhaps needs an emergency amendment.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: The flavor of FairfieldLife
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 10:14 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The flavor of FairfieldLife (snip) It's called Fairfield Life, right? Well, remember there's always been the conflict in Fairfield, Between the Ru's and the Townie's... So, just think of it like that...it's sort of built into the equation. I actually think that some of the townies are possessed by bad spirits which get released, as the many people, who have passed through Fairfield, probably a few bad spirits got dropped off... And may have attatched to some on the south side, so be careful, out there... Watch it bub. Sal and I live on the south side. You want a knuckle sandwich?
[FairfieldLife] Re: The flavor of FairfieldLife
Rick, Barry whines like an aggrieved innocent waif, But do me a favor and keep a mental track of the number of posts she spends trashing Barry over the next few months. It won't ever be 100%, but it'll consistently be 20-40% of the total, as it has been now for years. Then he feigns contriteness while promising disrespect, That's a lot of cheek turning and mooning ahead of me. I might as well take my pants off now and leave them off. Judy is the only one that refuses to let Barry get away with lying. IMO she is not trashing Barry; she is just taking out the trash. I consider her ability to sort through Barry's distortions and expose his fraudulence to be a much-needed public service. Mooning invites spanking so Barry gets what he deserves. I sure hope you don't start censoring individual posts on this forum. I shudder at prospect of the Thought Police tampering with anyone's First Amendment rights, even Barry's. If anyone wants to play Big Brother or advocates it, please don't encourage them. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: That's really the issue. Many of the people who talk -- or really, shout -- on this forum the most are shouting about the same old same old, over and over and over and over. The extraordinary irony of *Barry* making such a statement is, as usual, completely lost on him. Everybody else here knows it. But I'm the only one who will point it out. And the real reason is that they don't HAVE anything else to talk about. They haven't had any experiences of their own to talk about in decades, so they argue incessantly about other peoples' exper- iences. They don't have anything going on in their personal lives, so they try to start arguments about politics, or even more boring, sexual politics. Barry mysteriously knows everything there is to know about the lives of those he's talking about. Does anybody else find this odd? I've said it before, I'll say it again: In all his elaborate fantasizing about my personal life, Barry has not *once* gotten it right. snip Just to follow up -- because this subject makes a great troll in itself, and the people I'm talking about will reply to it in *exactly* the way I'm describing them -- the problem on FFL really IS boredom. How bored does one have to be to not only make trolling posts but then boast endlessly about how one is doing so? Vaj's Carlsen posts, on one level, really were trolls. On another, however, he was again hoping for some -- any -- intelligent discussion about the differences in the points of view (not to mention View) being discussed. Of course, none of that happened. Instead, some- one who long ago proved that she is pretty much incapable of having an original thought tried to turn it into a bash Vaj session, and tried to suck in anyone stupid enough to join in. Says He Who Claims Not to Read My Posts. snicker Of course, Barry seems *not* to have read the post in which I attempted to start a discussion with Vaj about the differences in point of view of the Carlsen material, to no response from Vaj. Barry didn't do so and still hasn't. Instead, he's so bored that he's written three different posts about how bored and unoriginal he imagines me to be. She actually found one this time, a newb who IMO has not posted a single original thought since she arrived here. Actually she has posted more original thoughts than Barry has since she arrived here. snip Well, IMO it's original thought. As guyfawkes said so well, who CARES who the Mistress Of Unorig- inal Thought is bashing this week to cover her lack of original thought? Um, that's not what he said, of course. For that matter, who CARES what Maharishi said on some subject? He's dead, and we've been over it a thousand times already. Barry's fourth post this morning was a MMY-bashing post, a repetition of things he's already said many times. snip And WHY are those experiences fun to read, while the Vaj-bashing and the Barry-bashing And Judy-bashing by Barry. Three different Judy- bashing posts from Barry since he got up this morning, plus two more in response to Rick. snip The chronic same old same olders don't HAVE any such experiences to share. Or choose not to share them, since experience posts typically invoke more bashing than anything else, especially from Barry. From another Judy-bashing post of Barry's this morning: I say learn a little something from the way that a few of the obvious Trolls With Nothing To Say react when a lot of people *ignore* what they post for a while. They freak out, and melt down. And then their first response is to troll *more*, and try to start arguments with new
[FairfieldLife] Re: Celibacy, Another View
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great rap Turq. I do think that fear of losing sexual energy is one of the most damaging so called spiritual beliefs. It puts people in a double bind. Exactly. They waste far more energy on denying a completely natural physical reaction and feeling guilty about it than they save by holding onto their jizz. I equate sexual energy with health and vitality. Virility is one of the first casualties of becoming sick. Use it or lose it seems to be the nature of our reproductive organs. Interestingly, this is the view of Chinese Tonic Herbal medicine as well. Loss of sexual function or sexual desire is one of the first indicators of a serious imbalance in the system and the advent of serious disease. Also interestingly, Chinese Tonic Herbalists tend to live into their 90s and 100s and enjoy a healthy sex life right up until the day they die. Both men and women also report fertility well past the ages that Westerners think that they are well past it. People who crow about subduing their sex drive seem like old withered vines, no matter what their age. Exactly. I'm sure that in your travels you have met a few natural celibates. I certainly have. These people are NOT afraid of sex. They can joke about it and talk about it or not, whatever is appropriate. It's just that the thought of having sex never occurs to them, and the thought of talk- ing about their own sex life (or lack thereof) never occurs to them, either. Would you feel the need to talk about not particularly feeling the need to eat brussel sprouts? No, most people wouldn't. So why do some people seemingly feel the need to almost become prosyletutes about not particularly feeling the need to have sex? It's sheer ego, and in my opinion seriously debilitating ego. In my honest opinion, the vocal celibates spend far more time talking about sex and thinking about sex than I do, and I'm about as sexually active as a fairly shy 62-year-old can be. I talk about it on this forum because it's a useful tool to find out who has serious spiritual hangups and who doesn't. Focusing on the act itself is exactly the wrong thing to focus on to create a meaningful life IMO. For a person who has had sex with someone they love it becomes communication magic. A real spiritual connection. And one that has NOTHING whatsoever to do with whether someone who claims to represent God said some words over them and declared them married. I have never been a fan of casual sex because in my teens I had a defining love relationship that shaped my whole sexual awakening. I was quite a fan of casual sex in my youth, but not so much any more. It's just not worth the effort in most cases. These days I like to take my time and learn whether I actually *like* the person before climbing into bed with her. And if I find that I do, chances are it's going to be an extended relationship, not a one-night stand. I understood the context that made sex great. As a serial monogamist, I have learned that taking each stage of sex communication slowly allows your personal friendship to grow enough to support the challenge that such intimacy brings. Exactly. Some would be surprised to hear that I've never cheated on anyone I had a committed relationship with in my life. I have gone through my periods of dating more than one woman at the same time, but that was back in the 70s and 80s when such things were in fashion. Since then, I have been as faithful as it is possible for a human being to be. The same cannot be said for all of the women I was involved with, but c'est la vie. That has served me well in not ending up physically intimate with someone who I discover I don't really like. What could be worse? Of course this view is also shaped by my religious upbringing so I'm pretty sure that I am not speaking in universals here. I had no such religious upbringing. I just don't like fooling around when I'm in a committed relationship. And I NEVER fool around with women who are in one with someone else, no matter what. Some people seem to do just fine with the wam bam thank you m'am lifestyle. I think they must be wired a little differently emotionally. Or they never get emotionally involved at all. Sex without love, as Woody Allan says, is an empty meaningless experience. But among empty meaningless experiences, it is one of the best! You would be surprised how many times that very line got me laid back in my TM days. Laughter is the best aphrodisiac. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I do so love finding people's hot buttons, and there is no doubt that the Puritanical, fear-based approach to sex and sexuality one finds in the TM movement has spawned more than a few of those hot buttons. So, to push them further in those who have them, and more hopefully to draw intelligent
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: The flavor of FairfieldLife
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tkrystofiak Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 9:10 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The flavor of FairfieldLife Attacks, personal aspersions, outright ridicule, intimidation - who needs it? Vaj quoted something, in a different context, about diamonds in the excrement. Picking them out is possible, I suppose, but not how I prefer to spend my time. How about washing the diamonds before posting? I happen to believe that the Golden Rule - treating others as you would want to be treated - is a spiritual practice, and failing to abide by it retards one's spiritual development. I don't always live up to it, but if one really takes that to heart, one is less inclined to trash people. It also helps to remember that we're dealing with living, breathing human beings here, not just pixels on our monitors. Would we speak as harshly to one another if we were sitting face to face?
[FairfieldLife] Researching No-self, or expanded state states of consciousness.
From a friend: Dear friends. I recently partook in an telephone interview with Laurel A. McCormick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Laurel is a delightful PhD. student who is in the midst of researching a state of consciousness she terms No-Self; we refer to this state as loosing the little i. As you can imagine, she is finding it somewhat challenging to find knowledgeable people to interview. I believe Laurel is doing very important research that could expand social understanding and increase academic validity about higher states of consciousness. I encourage you to contact Laurel to discuss her research and consider being an interview volunteer. Here is an opportunity to share the gains and losses and ups-and downs of the enlightenment process. All love, Namaste! Stan
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The flavor of FairfieldLife
On Nov 25, 2008, at 10:43 AM, Rick Archer wrote: It's called Fairfield Life, right? Well, remember there's always been the conflict in Fairfield, Between the Ru's and the Townie's... So, just think of it like that...it's sort of built into the equation. I actually think that some of the townies are possessed by bad spirits which get released, as the many people, who have passed through Fairfield, probably a few bad spirits got dropped off... And may have attatched to some on the south side, so be careful, out there... Watch it bub. Sal and I live on the south side. You want a knuckle sandwich? No kidding. Have they come to any conclusions about the cause of that fire, Rick? Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Russian Guy Sees US Collapse'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@ wrote: RUSSIAN ANALYST PREDICTS DECLINE AND BREAKUP OF USA Tue Nov 25 2008 09:04:22 ET A leading Russian political analyst has said the economic turmoil in the United States has confirmed his long-held view that the country is heading for collapse, and will divide into separate parts. Oh how the Russians dream of once again being a superpower, instead of its current practically 3rd world status. Even having a fantasy about reclaiming Alaska! What a foolish dreamer. Russia's corrupt government represents a total lack of ideals, it is thug politics. It dreams of reclaiming it's bully role in the world but has fallen on its own lack of a government for the people and by the people. The US will weather this storm as it has so many others. One thing the countries who enjoy our misfortune have learned from this economic crisis, is that none of the little creatures under the elephant really want to see what happens below if we fall. Our every stumble ripples through the world markets and leaves them quaking. The rest of the world would do well to get over its petty joy in our problems. The sections of the country the guy is talking about represent cultural divisions that will never separate. He make ridiculous mistakes revealing his total lack of detailed knowledge of our country. The term Hispanic is practically useless in politics because it comprises so many different countries who hate each other. That is why there is on unified political force from Hispanics. They could never agree on a singe Hispanic to represent them. His claim that the Pacific coast is being influenced by China also reveals his lack of understanding of the countries that comprise our Asian populations, and once again, guess what, they hate each other too much to unify behind a single counties politician. Their influence is marginalized politically. The only way these forces who are at odds are able to grow together is under the big inclusive tent of America that provides protections and opportunities for all of them. The writer misunderstands how our diversity works to make us strong. Like a lot of people looking in at us, he can't understand how we make it work. It is the spirit of the United States of America, resilience based on a commitment to freedom and opportunity. We are having tough times but we will prevail again. Our country is great because of the contribution of our constant stream of immigrants. We provide a chance for people to work together who come from countries who hate each other. This glue is much stronger than this writer will ever understand. I live with many people who are recent immigrants here. They have shaped my patriotism and broadened it. America represents the rest of the world. And the rest of the world has a big stake in our success. Panarin, 60, is a professor at the Diplomatic Academy of the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and has authored several books on information warfare. Yeah nice try buddy. Peddle your anti-American propaganda all you want in your information war. You are doing it on machines that we invented in the US. Professor Igor Panarin said in an interview with the respected daily IZVESTIA published on Monday: The dollar is not secured by anything. The country's foreign debt has grown like an avalanche, even though in the early 1980s there was no debt. By 1998, when I first made my prediction, it had exceeded $2 trillion. Now it is more than 11 trillion. This is a pyramid that can only collapse. The paper said Panarin's dire predictions for the U.S. economy, initially made at an international conference in Australia 10 years ago at a time when the economy appeared strong, have been given more credence by this year's events. When asked when the U.S. economy would collapse, Panarin said: It is already collapsing. Due to the financial crisis, three of the largest and oldest five banks on Wall Street have already ceased to exist, and two are barely surviving. Their losses are the biggest in history. Now what we will see is a change in the regulatory system on a global financial scale: America will no longer be the world's financial regulator. When asked who would replace the U.S. in regulating world markets, he said: Two countries could assume this role: China, with its vast reserves, and Russia, which could play the role of a regulator in Eurasia. Asked why he expected the U.S. to break up into separate parts, he said: A whole range of reasons. Firstly, the financial problems in the U.S. will get worse. Millions of citizens there have lost their savings. Prices and unemployment are on the rise. General Motors and Ford are on the verge of collapse, and this means that whole cities will be left without work. Governors are
[FairfieldLife] Fire, was: The flavor of FairfieldLife
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sal Sunshine Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 10:50 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The flavor of FairfieldLife Have they come to any conclusions about the cause of that fire, Rick? The woman told me herself. She put a log in her fireplace, but it didn't quite fit, so she took it out again and put it on the woodpile in her living room, not realizing that it was smoldering, then went to work. Over a period of an hour or two, the log ignited. Her two dogs died in the fire and the house was a total loss. After the fire truck arrived in the front of the house, it took them 25 minutes to get water, because the hydrant was so far away. Ed Malloy told us they're going to put one on our street in the spring.
[FairfieldLife] Re: New summary of the Maharishi Effect research with bibliography
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Nov 24, 2008, at 6:41 PM, Peter wrote: ...theoretical discussions of how it works... It doesn't work. Nobody flys. There is no empirical phenomena to explain. How can you have a theoretical discussion about nothing? It's not about discussion Pete, it is about virally inseminating the web with the mind-virus that the Mahesh Effect is real. Wherever you search, that's the answer you come up with. Must be true. Or at very least the illusion appears true. And that's really all that matters. If you search for meditation and some health problem, what they want is for your search to bring up their name and their brand that they're selling. It must be true. Found it on the web. You''re not far off, I think. AN old friend of mine, a Unitarian-Universalist minister with no personal interest in TM, said he thought MMY wa trying to cause a paradigm shift in the world merely by talking up Yogic Flying so much. Lawson One thing the yogic flying meme has accomplished has been to reposition meditation in marketing terms. Before yogic flying, meditation had been equated with relaxation. After yogic flying, it was associated with hovering. You see it all the time in generic depictions of meditation: the person is sitting in a lotus position, hovering a few feet off the floor. These are images that have no association with Maharishi or the TM organization. For example: http://tinyurl.com/5ejwot Such a depiction suggests that meditation offers much more than mellowness, making it more desirable and justifying a higher instruction fee.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Fire, was: The flavor of FairfieldLife
On Nov 25, 2008, at 10:55 AM, Rick Archer wrote: Have they come to any conclusions about the cause of that fire, Rick? The woman told me herself. She put a log in her fireplace, but it didn’t quite fit, so she took it out again and put it on the woodpile in her living room, not realizing that it was smoldering, then went to work. Over a period of an hour or two, the log ignited. Her two dogs died in the fire and the house was a total loss. After the fire truck arrived in the front of the house, it took them 25 minutes to get water, because the hydrant was so far away. Ed Malloy told us they’re going to put one on our street in the spring. Thanks--good to know what caused it, esp. since we have 2 woodburning stoves ourselves. The moral, I guess, is you can never be too careful. Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The flavor of FairfieldLife
On Nov 25, 2008, at 11:27 AM, Sal Sunshine wrote: Sound credible to you? I seem to remember a quote from the Talmud (or some Aramaic text) that describes a magician named Jesus/Jeshua which claimed that he was crucified for sorcery--or something along those lines. It sounded plausible to me. Re: Josephus, one passage always seemed to be a clear forgery to me, with Josephus, a Jew, lauding Jesus as Christ or some such highly improbable thing. The other mention (Jesus and James), who knows? I certainly don't. All the evidence seems somewhat shakey to me. I took a course on the historical Jesus from the Luke scholar E. Earle Ellis in college and I remember being left with the conclusion that we really didn't know if he was an historical person at all and wondering why we were never taught that in Sunday school (of course it could be because I was kicked out :-)).
[FairfieldLife] Re: The flavor of FairfieldLife
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tkrystofiak Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 9:10 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The flavor of FairfieldLife Attacks, personal aspersions, outright ridicule, intimidation - who needs it? Vaj quoted something, in a different context, about diamonds in the excrement. Picking them out is possible, I suppose, but not how I prefer to spend my time. How about washing the diamonds before posting? I happen to believe that the Golden Rule - treating others as you would want to be treated - is a spiritual practice, and failing to abide by it retards one's spiritual development. I don't always live up to it, but if one really takes that to heart, one is less inclined to trash people. It also helps to remember that we're dealing with living, breathing human beings here, not just pixels on our monitors. Would we speak as harshly to one another if we were sitting face to face? Let's call it for what it is: Washing the Diamonds is censorship. Applying the Golden Rule every moment to one's life is a laudable endeavor and an individual choice. We cannot enforce it. Of course pixel bashing is safer, we are not within arm's reach of each other. Posting on a forum is not as if we're sitting down to tea. The beauty of writing is that it can be raw and impolite as well as filled with diamonds. It's a matter of taste. Do you prefer your tea bland or spicy?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New summary of the Maharishi Effect research with bibliography
On Nov 25, 2008, at 11:56 AM, Patrick Gillam wrote: One thing the yogic flying meme has accomplished has been to reposition meditation in marketing terms. Before yogic flying, meditation had been equated with relaxation. After yogic flying, it was associated with hovering. You see it all the time in generic depictions of meditation: the person is sitting in a lotus position, hovering a few feet off the floor. These are images that have no association with Maharishi or the TM organization. For example: http://tinyurl.com/5ejwot Such a depiction suggests that meditation offers much more than mellowness, making it more desirable and justifying a higher instruction fee. The picture you linked to shows a standard motif used in Himalayan thankha or scroll paintings for enlightened beings, (accept of course for the guy they pasted in there :-)).
[FairfieldLife] Re: The flavor of FairfieldLife
Raunchy, You are buying in hook line and sinker to Judy's own personal mythology about her role here. I am a fan of both Judy and Turq's contributions here, but I also understand how their personal metaphors shape their contributions. (as mine affect mine) Your role here is a provocateur which is closer to Turq's personal metaphor IMO. First Judy: Although you have elevated her role as the single defender of what is pure and true, this is a PR version. At her best she can serve this role in specific discussions, and I appreciate her for it. I dig how she is willing to engage and work through complex issues and point out perspective I have missed. But I am real clear that what she is up to with Turq is out of her delight in belittling him. Most of what you seem to be elevating to exposing fraudulence is just her disagreeing in the most contentious insulting way. When Judy gets focused on a topic I am interested there is no poster here who adds more value to the discussion. But the Turq war is not an example of that. I see that for what it is, a personal feud with a little more mean spiritedness than I am comfortable with on both sides. And so that part of their contributions is none of my business. I don't believe they should be censored for something they obviously enjoy. Now Turq, Do you really believe that the rest of us are unable to notice when Turq is letting something fly just to stir the shit? You do it all the time so you should be able to understand. Judy takes everything with equal seriousness as a challenge to her sense of what is right and wrong and Turq winds her up just to see her react. He has said as much. This isn't that deep. Turq is a creative writer whose contributions are valued (by me) because he is willing to write a bunch of stuff that he hasn't edited so much that no one can disagree. It provokes thought. Sometimes it is clearly to antagonize Judy. I usually skip those because they are written for an audience of one. I use the name Turq in context of his persona here because that is consistent with how his role as provocateur is only a part of Barry the person. Barry is a writer and Judy is an editor. They are forever destined to be cobra and mongoose. As highly intelligent people who are willing to spend time writing a lot here, they are both huge assets to my intellectual life. They are driven by their own personal metaphors that go beyond my choices sometimes. Hallelujah! That is what I am here for. Their personal feud has nothing to do with me. But any attempt to demonize either one of them, or censor their prolific contributions, seems misguided to me. They are a force of nature to be enjoyed and appreciated for what they are. Two imperfect people writing like crazy on a public board. I appreciate your contributions the same way Raunchy. Even when I disagree I appreciate that you took the time to contribute to my intellectual universe here. Writing takes time and effort and I applaud the posters who make this place stimulating. (ooh baby baby!) No one here is inhabiting higher ground. We are all just bozos on this bus. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick, Barry whines like an aggrieved innocent waif, But do me a favor and keep a mental track of the number of posts she spends trashing Barry over the next few months. It won't ever be 100%, but it'll consistently be 20-40% of the total, as it has been now for years. Then he feigns contriteness while promising disrespect, That's a lot of cheek turning and mooning ahead of me. I might as well take my pants off now and leave them off. Judy is the only one that refuses to let Barry get away with lying. IMO she is not trashing Barry; she is just taking out the trash. I consider her ability to sort through Barry's distortions and expose his fraudulence to be a much-needed public service. Mooning invites spanking so Barry gets what he deserves. I sure hope you don't start censoring individual posts on this forum. I shudder at prospect of the Thought Police tampering with anyone's First Amendment rights, even Barry's. If anyone wants to play Big Brother or advocates it, please don't encourage them. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: That's really the issue. Many of the people who talk -- or really, shout -- on this forum the most are shouting about the same old same old, over and over and over and over. The extraordinary irony of *Barry* making such a statement is, as usual, completely lost on him. Everybody else here knows it. But I'm the only one who will point it out. And the real reason is that they don't HAVE anything else to talk about. They haven't had any experiences of their own to talk
[FairfieldLife] Re: The flavor of FairfieldLife
Let's call it for what it is: Washing the Diamonds is censorship. Applying the Golden Rule every moment to one's life is a laudable endeavor and an individual choice. We cannot enforce it. Of course pixel bashing is safer, we are not within arm's reach of each other. Posting on a forum is not as if we're sitting down to tea. The beauty of writing is that it can be raw and impolite as well as filled with diamonds. It's a matter of taste. Do you prefer your tea bland or spicy? YES! Nothing to add except thanks for posting this. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tkrystofiak Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 9:10 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The flavor of FairfieldLife Attacks, personal aspersions, outright ridicule, intimidation - who needs it? Vaj quoted something, in a different context, about diamonds in the excrement. Picking them out is possible, I suppose, but not how I prefer to spend my time. How about washing the diamonds before posting? I happen to believe that the Golden Rule - treating others as you would want to be treated - is a spiritual practice, and failing to abide by it retards one's spiritual development. I don't always live up to it, but if one really takes that to heart, one is less inclined to trash people. It also helps to remember that we're dealing with living, breathing human beings here, not just pixels on our monitors. Would we speak as harshly to one another if we were sitting face to face? Let's call it for what it is: Washing the Diamonds is censorship. Applying the Golden Rule every moment to one's life is a laudable endeavor and an individual choice. We cannot enforce it. Of course pixel bashing is safer, we are not within arm's reach of each other. Posting on a forum is not as if we're sitting down to tea. The beauty of writing is that it can be raw and impolite as well as filled with diamonds. It's a matter of taste. Do you prefer your tea bland or spicy?
[FairfieldLife] Yoiks! U.S. Pledges Top $7.7 Trillion to Ease Frozen Credit
Nov. 24 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. government is prepared to provide more than $7.76 trillion on behalf of American taxpayers after guaranteeing $306 billion of Citigroup Inc. debt yesterday. The pledges, amounting to half the value of everything produced in the nation last year, are intended to rescue the financial system after the credit markets seized up 15 months ago. The unprecedented pledge of funds includes $3.18 trillion already tapped by financial institutions in the biggest response to an economic emergency since the New Deal of the 1930s, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. The commitment dwarfs the plan approved by lawmakers, the Treasury Department's $700 billion Troubled Asset Relief Program. Federal Reserve lending last week was 1,900 times the weekly average for the three years before the crisis... ~~Full article: http://bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109sid=arEE1iClqDrkrefer=home Can the Obama team help save the US Economy? President-elect Obama announces economic team and describes a bit what the USA faces and how serious it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpUMHeG6aDs
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: The flavor of FairfieldLife
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of raunchydog Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 11:11 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The flavor of FairfieldLife Let's call it for what it is: Washing the Diamonds is censorship. Applying the Golden Rule every moment to one's life is a laudable endeavor and an individual choice. We cannot enforce it. Of course pixel bashing is safer, we are not within arm's reach of each other. Posting on a forum is not as if we're sitting down to tea. The beauty of writing is that it can be raw and impolite as well as filled with diamonds. It's a matter of taste. Do you prefer your tea bland or spicy? Spicy is nice, but not rancid (I'm not into that Tibeten rancid yak butter tea). BTW, let me take this opportunity to say that although I've disagreed with you on many issues, psychoanalyzed you, etc., I hold no personal animosity toward you, and in fact I like you. Keep that in mind if we encounter each other around town.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New summary of the Maharishi Effect research with bibliography
He also said so many people think they are scientists by going to the domes. WTF! Not just scientists, but Vedic scientists. Love will swallow you, eat you up completely, until there is no `you,' only love. - Amma --- On Tue, 11/25/08, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New summary of the Maharishi Effect research with bibliography To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 7:05 AM --- On Mon, 11/24/08, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New summary of the Maharishi Effect research with bibliography To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, November 24, 2008, 11:38 PM On Nov 24, 2008, at 10:08 PM, Peter wrote: You didn't get the memo, it isn't about flying anymore. But it is still about spooky action at a distance. Incredible mellowing waves effect your neighbors, who will either become mellow or become violent, whatever Nature wants. Ah yes, the prima facia contradicted Maharishi Effect. Towns with 10% meditators are filled with crime WTF! ;-) Ah, but it's *Enlightened* crime! Sal I have a longtime friend in Fairfield who has a Ph.D. in sociology, is in the domes and has done research on the ME. We were talking last month and he was telling me about the insanity of the rank-and-file who will absolutely listen to nothing the contradicts the ME. He also said so many people think they are scientists by going to the domes. WTF! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: The flavor of FairfieldLife
I wonder how many read their squabbling posts? Maybe only you. They might do better to squabble through personal emails, and save their 50 posts for topics others will actually read. Right, I enjoy reading one and I've got the other on block. Love will swallow you, eat you up completely, until there is no `you,' only love. - Amma --- On Tue, 11/25/08, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: The flavor of FairfieldLife To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 10:52 AM From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of raunchydog Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 12:04 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The flavor of FairfieldLife The territory Judy claims on FF Life is calling Barry out on his BS, and refusing to let his trollish behavior go unanswered. Her analytical abilities are awesome and I am thankful she stands on principle that no one should tolerate lying. I respect her integrity as a writer and I rely on her to take out the garbage. Whenever Judy takes Barry to the woodshed for the spanking he deserves, I'm sure some part of him masochistically enjoys his foray to the woodshed because he always comes back for more. I wonder how many read their squabbling posts? Maybe only you. They might do better to squabble through personal emails, and save their 50 posts for topics others will actually read.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Celibacy, Another View
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do so love finding people's hot buttons, and there is no doubt that the Puritanical, fear-based approach to sex and sexuality one finds in the TM movement has spawned more than a few of those hot buttons. So, to push them further in those who have them, and more hopefully to draw intelligent comment from those still capable of it, here is the best commentary on the value or non- value of celibacy in the pursuit of enlight- enment I've ever heard. This is a paraphrase, done from memory, of a short exchange I heard from a spiritual teacher I met once. The speaker is the high lama of a Tibetan monas- tery in exile in Bhutan; he is also the recog- nized tulku (known and tested reincarnation) of a famous 19th-century enlightened saint, and is widely regarded by those in Buddhist circles as fully enlightened in this incar- nation. He is, as far as I know, celibate, but many members of his sangha, including his fellow lamas at the monastery he presides over, are not. His response was to someone worried that sex was going to deplete their shakti. Those who do not have sex out of fear of depleting the shakti they 'need' to realize enlightenment are foolish. If the tiny amount of shakti released when having sex is going to keep them from enlightenment, they never had a chance of realizing it in the first place. To believe otherwise is as ludicrous as believing that by taking a drink of water you are lowering the level of the oceans. E=MC2. Neither matter nor energy can ever be created or destroyed. (Hearty laugh on his part at this point...he was educated in Western schools.) The entire *universe* is shakti. Nothing you can possibly do or not do will increase or decrease the levels of it in any way. Sex, no sex...married, not-married...no difference. Nothing you can possibly do or not do is going to affect your ability to realize enlightenment because you are already enlightened. As for shakti, the tradition I come from says that even one minute spent suppressing a sexual desire or feeling guilty about having one wastes more energy than having sex a hundred times. Stop pretending that what you do or don't do with your wanger (his term, really) is going to speed or delay your realization of your own enlightenment. It won't, and all that such beliefs will do is make you joy- less and a drag on other members of your sangha. Whether you have sex doesn't matter. Whether you don't have sex doesn't matter. Neither affects your realization in any way. Only how you live and how you treat other sentient beings does that, and if your fear of sex renders you joyless *as* you live, that will sabotage your realization more surely than if you had sex with all the women in the world. So who is this guy Turq? How do we know you didn't just make this story up out of whole cloth? Your argument has No foundation...surely you can do better, is this the 'only' source material you were able to come up with?
[FairfieldLife] Re: The flavor of FairfieldLife
Vaj wrote: However the unfortunate thing is, it isn't just all about Barry as Willy might say... Now it's all about Willy? From: Judy Stein Subject: Challenge to Judy Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 http://tinyurl.com/5eugo2 Barry Wright writes: TM is the fastest, most effective technique on the planet to enable anyone, anywhere to become enlightened school of thought. Even if I have misread you and that is not true, you should be able to answer a simple question for me:
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yoiks! U.S. Pledges Top $7.7 Trillion to Ease Frozen Credit
John wrote Yoiks! It doesn't appear that Obama's team has much criticism of the Bush administration's economic policies, particularly those that have been pursued during the current financial crisis. Politics can indeed be very strange. Who would have guessed, a few months ago, that when Obama announced his administration's economic team, some conservatives would be disappointed that so little change from the policies of the Bush administration appears in prospect? Read more: 'Change? Not Much' Posted by John Hindraker Powerline, November 24, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/6daxge
[FairfieldLife] Re: Russian Guy Sees US Collapse'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh how the Russians dream of once again being a superpower, instead of its current practically 3rd world status. Even having a fantasy about reclaiming Alaska! What a foolish dreamer. Russia's corrupt government represents a total lack of ideals, it is thug politics. It dreams of reclaiming it's bully role in the world but has fallen on its own lack of a government for the people and by the people. The US will weather this storm as it has so many others. Hopefully. But who will want to pay your debts ? The Chinese ? One thing the countries who enjoy our misfortune have learned from this economic crisis, is that none of the little creatures under the elephant really want to see what happens below if we fall. Of course this is how any Hillbilly wants to portrey himself; as big and dangerous when in reality he is a very poor creature. Our every stumble ripples through the world markets and leaves them quaking. The rest of the world would do well to get over its petty joy in our problems. The sections of the country the guy is talking about represent cultural divisions that will never separate. In his analysis it is becoming more and more obvious by the hour. He make ridiculous mistakes revealing his total lack of detailed knowledge of our country. The term Hispanic is practically useless in politics because it comprises so many different countries who hate each other. That is why there is on unified political force from Hispanics. They could never agree on a singe Hispanic to represent them. His claim that the Pacific coast is being influenced by China also reveals his lack of understanding of the countries that comprise our Asian populations, and once again, guess what, they hate each other too much to unify behind a single counties politician. Their influence is marginalized politically. The only way these forces who are at odds are able to grow together is under the big inclusive tent of America that provides protections and opportunities for all of them. The writer misunderstands how our diversity works to make us strong. Like a lot of people looking in at us, he can't understand how we make it work. Trouble is your fantasy doesn't work. You borrow money from the countries you are now ridiculing to pay for your illegal wars.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Russian Guy Sees US Collapse'
Trouble is your fantasy doesn't work. You borrow money from the countries you are now ridiculing to pay for your illegal wars. I wasn't ridiculing China who need us as a market to sell their cheap crap. The fact that we owe them so much money is a great stabilizing force for us. They, like many countries around the world, can't afford to see us fail. I was against the Iraq war also. You are preaching to the choir. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Oh how the Russians dream of once again being a superpower, instead of its current practically 3rd world status. Even having a fantasy about reclaiming Alaska! What a foolish dreamer. Russia's corrupt government represents a total lack of ideals, it is thug politics. It dreams of reclaiming it's bully role in the world but has fallen on its own lack of a government for the people and by the people. The US will weather this storm as it has so many others. Hopefully. But who will want to pay your debts ? The Chinese ? One thing the countries who enjoy our misfortune have learned from this economic crisis, is that none of the little creatures under the elephant really want to see what happens below if we fall. Of course this is how any Hillbilly wants to portrey himself; as big and dangerous when in reality he is a very poor creature. Our every stumble ripples through the world markets and leaves them quaking. The rest of the world would do well to get over its petty joy in our problems. The sections of the country the guy is talking about represent cultural divisions that will never separate. In his analysis it is becoming more and more obvious by the hour. He make ridiculous mistakes revealing his total lack of detailed knowledge of our country. The term Hispanic is practically useless in politics because it comprises so many different countries who hate each other. That is why there is on unified political force from Hispanics. They could never agree on a singe Hispanic to represent them. His claim that the Pacific coast is being influenced by China also reveals his lack of understanding of the countries that comprise our Asian populations, and once again, guess what, they hate each other too much to unify behind a single counties politician. Their influence is marginalized politically. The only way these forces who are at odds are able to grow together is under the big inclusive tent of America that provides protections and opportunities for all of them. The writer misunderstands how our diversity works to make us strong. Like a lot of people looking in at us, he can't understand how we make it work. Trouble is your fantasy doesn't work. You borrow money from the countries you are now ridiculing to pay for your illegal wars.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Gas price?
Nelson wrote: Does the drop in price mean a temporary situation to eliminate the competition? Probably temporary, but it represents about 4% of most people's budget, so the low price means they got a 'raise', but, someone should be building a new gasoline refinery. For the past week I've been driving a 2009 Toyota Camry, a rental from Enterprise. The car has 13,000 miles on it and the gas mileage isn't bad for a 'six' with only a five speed automatic transmission. The car seems to have overhead cams! I probably won't be buying any new vehicles for awhile, since I just bought Valerie a Chrysler PT Cruiser. But if I was, I'd seriously look at the new Chevy Silverado Hybrid. You can pull a boat or a trailer with it and haul manure too. I only burn Texaco gasoline in my cars and I get all my oil from either the Permian Basin or from Spindletop. But I do worry about the refineries down in 'baytown'. How long has it been since someone built a new refinery, anywhere? From what I've read, Iran has a single refinery. I guess most folks get their gasoline from Houston or Galveston. Take I-10 East out of San Antonio to Foster Lane: $1.67 Gas Buddy: http://tinyurl.com/5qo2zl The Toolmongers take a hybrid beast out for a spin: 'Hands-On: GM's 2009 Silverado Hybrid' By Chuck Cage PopSci, 08.15.2008 http://tinyurl.com/59mjvx The world's best car built in 2008? The award for the best car built in 2008 came down to a single vote, as industry journalists were torn between a stunningly refined GM midsize car and a fuel-efficient but exciting small car from Ford. Both were worthy, but GM's effort came away with the prize. Read more: 'American Automakers Make the Best European Cars' Automotive Rankings and Reviews U.S. News World Report, Nov. 24, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/5ass6e
[FairfieldLife] Re: Celibacy, Another View
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I do so love finding people's hot buttons, and there is no doubt that the Puritanical, fear-based approach to sex and sexuality one finds in the TM movement has spawned more than a few of those hot buttons. So, to push them further in those who have them, and more hopefully to draw intelligent comment from those still capable of it, here is the best commentary on the value or non- value of celibacy in the pursuit of enlight- enment I've ever heard. This is a paraphrase, done from memory, of a short exchange I heard from a spiritual teacher I met once. The speaker is the high lama of a Tibetan monas- tery in exile in Bhutan; he is also the recog- nized tulku (known and tested reincarnation) of a famous 19th-century enlightened saint, and is widely regarded by those in Buddhist circles as fully enlightened in this incar- nation. He is, as far as I know, celibate, but many members of his sangha, including his fellow lamas at the monastery he presides over, are not. His response was to someone worried that sex was going to deplete their shakti. Those who do not have sex out of fear of depleting the shakti they 'need' to realize enlightenment are foolish. If the tiny amount of shakti released when having sex is going to keep them from enlightenment, they never had a chance of realizing it in the first place. To believe otherwise is as ludicrous as believing that by taking a drink of water you are lowering the level of the oceans. E=MC2. Neither matter nor energy can ever be created or destroyed. (Hearty laugh on his part at this point...he was educated in Western schools.) The entire *universe* is shakti. Nothing you can possibly do or not do will increase or decrease the levels of it in any way. Sex, no sex...married, not-married...no difference. Nothing you can possibly do or not do is going to affect your ability to realize enlightenment because you are already enlightened. As for shakti, the tradition I come from says that even one minute spent suppressing a sexual desire or feeling guilty about having one wastes more energy than having sex a hundred times. Stop pretending that what you do or don't do with your wanger (his term, really) is going to speed or delay your realization of your own enlightenment. It won't, and all that such beliefs will do is make you joy- less and a drag on other members of your sangha. Whether you have sex doesn't matter. Whether you don't have sex doesn't matter. Neither affects your realization in any way. Only how you live and how you treat other sentient beings does that, and if your fear of sex renders you joyless *as* you live, that will sabotage your realization more surely than if you had sex with all the women in the world. So who is this guy Turq? How do we know you didn't just make this story up out of whole cloth? Your argument has No foundation...surely you can do better, is this the 'only' source material you were able to come up with? gotta agree that this stuff from the tulku reads accurately.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sex Challenge from a Texas Pastor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: To All: It appears that this pastor is trying to grab the headlines for his church coffers. Also, the challenge may not be good for the participants, considering the ayurvedic principle that losing the body's ojas may be detrimental to one's health. Have you ever considered the possibility that the ayurvedic principle that losing the body's ojas may be detremental to one's health, besides being in direct contradiction to medical studies that show that frequent ejaculation *significantly* reduces the risk of prostate cancer, might have more than a passing resemblance to anal retention? Some people get so weird that they're afraid to shit. They hold onto those turds as long as humanly possible, and come up with all sorts of rationalizations for their behavior. But the behavior is usually viewed as an aberration, and an indication of poor mental health. Some people get so weird that they're afraid to ejaculate. Some have convinced themselves doing so is bad for their health, and come up with not only rationalizations for their behavior, but teachings that claim that hanging onto their semen with the same fervor that an anal retentive individual hangs onto their shit is beneficial to their spiritual progress. *On this forum* people have claimed that doing this is *essential* to become enlightened. And yet the latter behavior is rarely spoken of as an aberration and an indicator of poor mental health. How...uh...cum? :-) ok, got the gross out post...for the record, ew. next, you are scheduled to post a bright shiny piece about either: 1) a time when you met a celebrity, or 2) a special 'spiritual' story, or 3) a travelogue. or if my timing is slightly off, possibly another thoughtful diatribe about caricatures with negative traits. T'would seem that someone is so caught up in bash Barry mode that she can't tell out of the box thinking from a gross out. :-) I'm perfectly serious here. -snip- i consider celibacy unnatural in most if not all cases. you are grossing me out with your writing- i find your box inside or out absurdly limited. rather than bashing you, i was goading you to go in a direction that i hoped would surprise me.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The flavor of FairfieldLife
Vaj wrote: ...The Puranas actually list the rock which exists in Kaabah, the Ruknu Al-Aswad, as an ancient lingam of Shiva... The sacred center of the universe of Arabia is termed 'Omphali' by Arabs, from the prakrit mantra 'Om' and 'phal', meaning the 'Omphalos' of the Great Goddess, that is, Omphalo, the female 'generative' organ, i.e. the vulva of Mother Nature, the direct counterpart to the phalus of the Great Sky God, i.e. Omphalus, that is, the Phalus, maha Linga, the upright generative organ of man, thus the Axis Mundi and Mother Goddess as the sacred ridge pole set into a splayed base of the physical universe, divine, worthy of worship, a black stone from heaven, a sign of connection to the Most High, that is, Hecate, the inventor of human sex and procreation. Read more: Author: willytex Subject: Q'ubes, Q'res, Q'rans, and the Queen of Sheba. Forum: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: 09/22/2001 http://tinyurl.com/6m35bc
[FairfieldLife] Re: Russian Guy Sees US Collapse'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Trouble is your fantasy doesn't work. You borrow money from the countries you are now ridiculing to pay for your illegal wars. I wasn't ridiculing China who need us as a market to sell their cheap crap. The fact that we owe them so much money is a great stabilizing force for us. They, like many countries around the world, can't afford to see us fail. Thus is the voice of true Nationalism. And this Hillbilly label others TrueBelievers !
[FairfieldLife] Re: The flavor of FairfieldLife
John wrote: My own personal opinion is that the creepy, sadistic, bloody, murdering, jealous and vengeful 'god' of the Old Testament was a politically useful creation of the character of the quasi-savage/barbaric peoples of the times. The entire Levant is probably Vedic. Not for nothing did they call him 'Abrahm' and her 'Sarai. From which root words we get 'Brahma' and 'Saraswati'. But, in fact, there is no historical 'Abraham' or 'Sarah' who came from Ur or Mari; its just a myth, a story, to illustrate a political point. There are many myths surrounding the person of 'Abraham'. Read more: 'False testament: archaeology refutes the Bible's claim to history' by Daniel Lazare Harper's Magazine March 2002 Titles of interest: 'Unearthing the Bible' by Israel Finklestein and Neil Asher Siberman The Free Press, 2001 'The Mythic Past' by Thomas L. Thompson Basic Books, 2001
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Russian Guy Sees US Collapse'
Unfortunately the Russian Guy may be spot on what is about to happen. Living back in the Beltway Curtis probably doesn't hear much about the problems out here Caulifornia but this state is about to go bankrupt. Communities in the state are already bankrupt. Even Ahnuld doesn't expect much help from the Feds. In fact these days Ahnuld is more in league with the Dems than the Repugs. With so many of these same problems occurring with states across the country then I think the guy's scenario isn't so far-fetched. In fact I've read a number of scenarios by different authors suggesting this collapse and resulting breakup. Some of these I read back in 1978. Seems these people were only 30 years off. The press won't say the D word yet and even last spring they would not bandy the R word they now talk about daily. Some when will they say were not only in a recession but headed for a depression. All the writing is on the wall. One can choose to ignore it and sign Don't Worry Be Happy or pay attention and plan accordingly. I've been talking about the Argentina scenario and why it could happen here since I saw the documentary on it in 2001. We can't keep bailing out every badly run big business. They deserve to go under. Sorry if workers will be displaced. Some workers will need some help realizing this is only temporary and how to utilize their acquired skills to continue making a living. But why work anyway? We have more people than jobs. Why not give everyone a stipend and if you want more then you can take a job. I remember Bucky Fuller saying this years ago. Too many Americans live in a dream world and they are starting to wake up to the fact that dream world is going away. How many people do I talk to have lost large amounts in their retirement funds and they talk as if they are millionaires or something and don't care. They should be rioting on the streets over these losses. Look at what is happening in Iceland: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkHOM96wiA4 But Americans have been sold on spend, spend, spend. Not save, save, save. After 9-11 didn't Der Fuhrer tell us all to go shopping? We consume 25% of the worlds resources but are only 7% of the population. Do we deserve that abundance? No and the bill for the party has become due. Get ready which some have been saying here for a long time American becoming a third world country. One thing I always noted about my travels to third world countries is that people there were more down to earth and more kind and generous. Can Americans say that about themselves? Reporting from the future country of Ecotopia. ;-) curtisdeltablues wrote: Trouble is your fantasy doesn't work. You borrow money from the countries you are now ridiculing to pay for your illegal wars. I wasn't ridiculing China who need us as a market to sell their cheap crap. The fact that we owe them so much money is a great stabilizing force for us. They, like many countries around the world, can't afford to see us fail. I was against the Iraq war also. You are preaching to the choir.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The flavor of FairfieldLife
Rick Archer wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tkrystofiak Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 9:10 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The flavor of FairfieldLife Attacks, personal aspersions, outright ridicule, intimidation - who needs it? Vaj quoted something, in a different context, about diamonds in the excrement. Picking them out is possible, I suppose, but not how I prefer to spend my time. How about washing the diamonds before posting? I happen to believe that the Golden Rule - treating others as you would want to be treated - is a spiritual practice, and failing to abide by it retards one's spiritual development. I don't always live up to it, but if one really takes that to heart, one is less inclined to trash people. It also helps to remember that we're dealing with living, breathing human beings here, not just pixels on our monitors. Would we speak as harshly to one another if we were sitting face to face? It would be interesting to see how FFL would fare as a forum. The difference would be you could have specific sections including a General for all kinds of topics. Heck you could Turq and Judy their own section. One dynamic with a forum that doesn't occur with Yahoo Groups is that some authors could see how many people actually viewed their topic.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Russian Guy Sees US Collapse'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unfortunately the Russian Guy may be spot on what is about to happen. Living back in the Beltway Curtis probably doesn't hear much about the problems out here Caulifornia but this state is about to go bankrupt. Communities in the state are already bankrupt. Even Ahnuld doesn't expect much help from the Feds. In fact these days Ahnuld is more in league with the Dems than the Repugs. With so many of these same problems occurring with states across the country then I think the guy's scenario isn't so far-fetched. In fact I've read a number of scenarios by different authors suggesting this collapse and resulting breakup. Some of these I read back in 1978. Seems these people were only 30 years off. The press won't say the D word yet and even last spring they would not bandy the R word they now talk about daily. Some when will they say were not only in a recession but headed for a depression. All the writing is on the wall. One can choose to ignore it and sign Don't Worry Be Happy or pay attention and plan accordingly. I've been talking about the Argentina scenario and why it could happen here since I saw the documentary on it in 2001. We can't keep bailing out every badly run big business. They deserve to go under. Sorry if workers will be displaced. Some workers will need some help realizing this is only temporary and how to utilize their acquired skills to continue making a living. But why work anyway? We have more people than jobs. Why not give everyone a stipend and if you want more then you can take a job. I remember Bucky Fuller saying this years ago. Too many Americans live in a dream world and they are starting to wake up to the fact that dream world is going away. How many people do I talk to have lost large amounts in their retirement funds and they talk as if they are millionaires or something and don't care. They should be rioting on the streets over these losses. Look at what is happening in Iceland: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkHOM96wiA4 But Americans have been sold on spend, spend, spend. Not save, save, save. After 9-11 didn't Der Fuhrer tell us all to go shopping? We consume 25% of the worlds resources but are only 7% of the population. Do we deserve that abundance? No and the bill for the party has become due. Get ready which some have been saying here for a long time American becoming a third world country. One thing I always noted about my travels to third world countries is that people there were more down to earth and more kind and generous. Can Americans say that about themselves? Reporting from the future country of Ecotopia. ;-) Some of us especially those under 60 have always wondered what it would be like to live through the kind of epochal event one reads about in books. Well, this is it. We're now living history, suffering one of thegreatest financial panics of all time. It compares with the big ones 1907, 1929 and we cannot yet know its full consequences for the financial system, the economy or society as a whole. Fareed Zakaria, editor of Newsweek International
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What is an enlightenmentaholic?
sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sparaig wrote: AFter all this time, you stil think that the essence of TM is don't strain on the mantra? Sheesh. Lawson And the connotations that involves. It is the seed basis for effortless meditation. IOW, don't take the phrase literally but instead it's deeper significance. Most problems even with other techniques are usually the result of people straining too much during meditation. But also different from TM checking is if I perceive some medical problem is interfering with the meditation or for that matter the meditation is aggravating a medical condition I can suggest the practitioner stop meditating for the time being. Well, the ultimate worse case in Tm checking includes that as well. However, despite the rumors, there are durned few, if any, people who can't benefit from at least SOME meditation. Lawson Not in my TTC checking notes (Biarritz '76). Probably no one else's unless added much later. If so, then good. But it is far safer to give the general public calming mantras rather than ones that stimulate.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: The flavor of FairfieldLife
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bhairitu Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 2:16 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The flavor of FairfieldLife It would be interesting to see how FFL would fare as a forum. The difference would be you could have specific sections including a General for all kinds of topics. Heck you could Turq and Judy their own section. One dynamic with a forum that doesn't occur with Yahoo Groups is that some authors could see how many people actually viewed their topic. It would be cool if you could choose a forum interface if you preferred it, yet still have the other viewing options.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Russian Guy Sees US Collapse'
do.rflex wrote: Some of us — especially those under 60 — have always wondered what it would be like to live through the kind of epochal event one reads about in books. Well, this is it. We're now living history, suffering one of thegreatest financial panics of all time. It compares with the big ones — 1907, 1929 — and we cannot yet know its full consequences for the financial system, the economy or society as a whole. — Fareed Zakaria, editor of Newsweek International Capitalism has now proven to be, to use a term all of us who did TM know, a high entropy system. It is too volatile and chaotic to be of service to mankind. It is time for change. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Russian Guy Sees US Collapse'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: do.rflex wrote: Some of us especially those under 60 have always wondered what it would be like to live through the kind of epochal event one reads about in books. Well, this is it. We're now living history, suffering one of thegreatest financial panics of all time. It compares with the big ones 1907, 1929 and we cannot yet know its full consequences for the financial system, the economy or society as a whole. Fareed Zakaria, editor of Newsweek International Capitalism has now proven to be, to use a term all of us who did TM know, a high entropy system. It is too volatile and chaotic to be of service to mankind. It is time for change. Now that communism is gone the next to go is capitalism - Maharishi, 1989
[FairfieldLife] Re: New summary of the Maharishi Effect research with bibliography
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who told you its not about flying any more? Ask the yogic flyers you know if they expect to fly. Most say (Nabby excepted) they are not doing it to fly and it is unlikely that they will fly. Ask the same question 30 years ago and the ones I talked to then expected to fly.
[FairfieldLife] Re: New summary of the Maharishi Effect research with bibliography
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: On Nov 25, 2008, at 11:56 AM, Patrick Gillam wrote: One thing the yogic flying meme has accomplished has been to reposition meditation in marketing terms. Before yogic flying, meditation had been equated with relaxation. After yogic flying, it was associated with hovering. You see it all the time in generic depictions of meditation: the person is sitting in a lotus position, hovering a few feet off the floor. These are images that have no association with Maharishi or the TM organization. For example: http://tinyurl.com/5ejwot Such a depiction suggests that meditation offers much more than mellowness, making it more desirable and justifying a higher instruction fee. The picture you linked to shows a standard motif used in Himalayan thankha or scroll paintings for enlightened beings, (accept of course for the guy they pasted in there :-)). You mean, it's standard practice to show someone levitating? Disregard the mountains and accouterments for the moment.
[FairfieldLife] Re: New summary of the Maharishi Effect research with bibliography
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: Who told you its not about flying any more? Ask the yogic flyers you know if they expect to fly. Most say (Nabby excepted) they are not doing it to fly and it is unlikely that they will fly. Not to expect to fly is a prerequisite for levitation. A fool who wants to levitate will never come off the ground. TMSD's will levitate granted they live simple, are celibate, eat wholesome food, don't pollute their minds with popular culture or mixing with non-meditators or spiritual vampires. Then the outcome is guaranteed.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: New summary of the Maharishi Effect research with bibliography
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 4:17 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: New summary of the Maharishi Effect research with bibliography Not to expect to fly is a prerequisite for levitation. I guess all the TM sidhi practioners are expecting it. A fool who wants to levitate will never come off the ground. TMSD's will levitate granted they live simple, are celibate, eat wholesome food, don't pollute their minds with popular culture or mixing with non-meditators or spiritual vampires. Then the outcome is guaranteed. By whom? And have none levitated so far because all are failing to meet the above conditions?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New summary of the Maharishi Effect research with bibliography
--- On Tue, 11/25/08, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: New summary of the Maharishi Effect research with bibliography To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 5:17 PM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: Who told you its not about flying any more? Ask the yogic flyers you know if they expect to fly. Most say (Nabby excepted) they are not doing it to fly and it is unlikely that they will fly. Not to expect to fly is a prerequisite for levitation. A fool who wants to levitate will never come off the ground. TMSD's will levitate granted they live simple, are celibate, eat wholesome food, don't pollute their minds with popular culture or mixing with non-meditators or spiritual vampires. Then the outcome is guaranteed. Nabs, do you actually believe the stuff you say? The outcome is guaranteed. On what grounds is that statement made other than the conviction of your own belief? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Re: Celibacy, Another View
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do so love finding people's hot buttons, and there is no doubt that the Puritanical, fear-based approach to sex and sexuality one finds in the TM movement has spawned more than a few of those hot buttons. So, to push them further in those who have them, and more hopefully to draw intelligent comment from those still capable of it, here is the best commentary on the value or non- value of celibacy in the pursuit of enlight- enment I've ever heard. This is a paraphrase, done from memory, of a short exchange I heard from a spiritual teacher I met once. The speaker is the high lama of a Tibetan monas- tery in exile in Bhutan; he is also the recog- nized tulku (known and tested reincarnation) of a famous 19th-century enlightened saint, and is widely regarded by those in Buddhist circles as fully enlightened in this incar- nation. He is, as far as I know, celibate, but many members of his sangha, including his fellow lamas at the monastery he presides over, are not. His response was to someone worried that sex was going to deplete their shakti. Those who do not have sex out of fear of depleting the shakti they 'need' to realize enlightenment are foolish. If the tiny amount of shakti released when having sex is going to keep them from enlightenment, they never had a chance of realizing it in the first place. To believe otherwise is as ludicrous as believing that by taking a drink of water you are lowering the level of the oceans. E=MC2. Neither matter nor energy can ever be created or destroyed. (Hearty laugh on his part at this point...he was educated in Western schools.) The entire *universe* is shakti. Nothing you can possibly do or not do will increase or decrease the levels of it in any way. Sex, no sex...married, not-married...no difference. Nothing you can possibly do or not do is going to affect your ability to realize enlightenment because you are already enlightened. As for shakti, the tradition I come from says that even one minute spent suppressing a sexual desire or feeling guilty about having one wastes more energy than having sex a hundred times. Stop pretending that what you do or don't do with your wanger (his term, really) is going to speed or delay your realization of your own enlightenment. It won't, and all that such beliefs will do is make you joy- less and a drag on other members of your sangha. Whether you have sex doesn't matter. Whether you don't have sex doesn't matter. Neither affects your realization in any way. Only how you live and how you treat other sentient beings does that, and if your fear of sex renders you joyless *as* you live, that will sabotage your realization more surely than if you had sex with all the women in the world. In Buddhism, attachment to impermanent things is regarded as one of the major causes of suffering. Sex is arguably the strongest attachment to impermanent things that human beings have. Therefore in Buddhism celibacy has been regarded as essential to obtaining Nirvana (liberation from suffering). http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Celibacy#Buddhism Here's what Buddhism says, what say you?
[FairfieldLife] Re: New summary of the Maharishi Effect research with bibliography
TMSD's will levitate granted they live simple, are celibate, eat wholesome food, don't pollute their minds with popular culture or mixing with non-meditators or spiritual vampires. Then the outcome is guaranteed. Actually TM was part of popular culture when I learned. The rest of the stuff is all Amish, I'm-special-because-I-don't mix-well-with-people-who-don't share-my-exact-beliefs, nonsense. Levitation is a metaphor like the flying prayer carpet. Only children and those deluded by too much meditation think of it as a literal possibility. (Oh yeah, and sorry to break it to ya but all that nonsense about flying monkeys like Hanuman in the Vedic literature is also not to be taken literally by educated people.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: Who told you its not about flying any more? Ask the yogic flyers you know if they expect to fly. Most say (Nabby excepted) they are not doing it to fly and it is unlikely that they will fly. Not to expect to fly is a prerequisite for levitation. A fool who wants to levitate will never come off the ground. TMSD's will levitate granted they live simple, are celibate, eat wholesome food, don't pollute their minds with popular culture or mixing with non-meditators or spiritual vampires. Then the outcome is guaranteed.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi talk in 1952 introducing Guru Dev
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The following is said to be a rare speech by Maharishi from 1952, announcing the coming of Guru Dev to Delhi, followed by some lesser known photos of Guru Dev. Jai Guru Dev Thanks, great stuff..
[FairfieldLife] Re: Celibacy, Another View
In Buddhism, attachment to impermanent things is regarded as one of the major causes of suffering. Sex is arguably the strongest attachment to impermanent things that human beings have. So I'm guessing you have never fallen in love? Lived in a family? Sex is way down the list of things I am attached to. Therefore in Buddhism celibacy has been regarded as essential to obtaining Nirvana (liberation from suffering). http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Celibacy#Buddhism Here's what Buddhism says, what say you? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I do so love finding people's hot buttons, and there is no doubt that the Puritanical, fear-based approach to sex and sexuality one finds in the TM movement has spawned more than a few of those hot buttons. So, to push them further in those who have them, and more hopefully to draw intelligent comment from those still capable of it, here is the best commentary on the value or non- value of celibacy in the pursuit of enlight- enment I've ever heard. This is a paraphrase, done from memory, of a short exchange I heard from a spiritual teacher I met once. The speaker is the high lama of a Tibetan monas- tery in exile in Bhutan; he is also the recog- nized tulku (known and tested reincarnation) of a famous 19th-century enlightened saint, and is widely regarded by those in Buddhist circles as fully enlightened in this incar- nation. He is, as far as I know, celibate, but many members of his sangha, including his fellow lamas at the monastery he presides over, are not. His response was to someone worried that sex was going to deplete their shakti. Those who do not have sex out of fear of depleting the shakti they 'need' to realize enlightenment are foolish. If the tiny amount of shakti released when having sex is going to keep them from enlightenment, they never had a chance of realizing it in the first place. To believe otherwise is as ludicrous as believing that by taking a drink of water you are lowering the level of the oceans. E=MC2. Neither matter nor energy can ever be created or destroyed. (Hearty laugh on his part at this point...he was educated in Western schools.) The entire *universe* is shakti. Nothing you can possibly do or not do will increase or decrease the levels of it in any way. Sex, no sex...married, not-married...no difference. Nothing you can possibly do or not do is going to affect your ability to realize enlightenment because you are already enlightened. As for shakti, the tradition I come from says that even one minute spent suppressing a sexual desire or feeling guilty about having one wastes more energy than having sex a hundred times. Stop pretending that what you do or don't do with your wanger (his term, really) is going to speed or delay your realization of your own enlightenment. It won't, and all that such beliefs will do is make you joy- less and a drag on other members of your sangha. Whether you have sex doesn't matter. Whether you don't have sex doesn't matter. Neither affects your realization in any way. Only how you live and how you treat other sentient beings does that, and if your fear of sex renders you joyless *as* you live, that will sabotage your realization more surely than if you had sex with all the women in the world. In Buddhism, attachment to impermanent things is regarded as one of the major causes of suffering. Sex is arguably the strongest attachment to impermanent things that human beings have. Therefore in Buddhism celibacy has been regarded as essential to obtaining Nirvana (liberation from suffering). http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Celibacy#Buddhism Here's what Buddhism says, what say you?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Celibacy, Another View
Curtis, do you know how old BillyG. is? Doesn't he sound like we were in our early 20's and afraid of intimacy, er, i mean, concerned with getting enlightened and not wasting our precious semen on something so impermanent as sex? --- On Tue, 11/25/08, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Celibacy, Another View To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 6:53 PM In Buddhism, attachment to impermanent things is regarded as one of the major causes of suffering. Sex is arguably the strongest attachment to impermanent things that human beings have. So I'm guessing you have never fallen in love? Lived in a family? Sex is way down the list of things I am attached to. Therefore in Buddhism celibacy has been regarded as essential to obtaining Nirvana (liberation from suffering). http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Celibacy#Buddhism Here's what Buddhism says, what say you? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I do so love finding people's hot buttons, and there is no doubt that the Puritanical, fear-based approach to sex and sexuality one finds in the TM movement has spawned more than a few of those hot buttons. So, to push them further in those who have them, and more hopefully to draw intelligent comment from those still capable of it, here is the best commentary on the value or non- value of celibacy in the pursuit of enlight- enment I've ever heard. This is a paraphrase, done from memory, of a short exchange I heard from a spiritual teacher I met once. The speaker is the high lama of a Tibetan monas- tery in exile in Bhutan; he is also the recog- nized tulku (known and tested reincarnation) of a famous 19th-century enlightened saint, and is widely regarded by those in Buddhist circles as fully enlightened in this incar- nation. He is, as far as I know, celibate, but many members of his sangha, including his fellow lamas at the monastery he presides over, are not. His response was to someone worried that sex was going to deplete their shakti. Those who do not have sex out of fear of depleting the shakti they 'need' to realize enlightenment are foolish. If the tiny amount of shakti released when having sex is going to keep them from enlightenment, they never had a chance of realizing it in the first place. To believe otherwise is as ludicrous as believing that by taking a drink of water you are lowering the level of the oceans. E=MC2. Neither matter nor energy can ever be created or destroyed. (Hearty laugh on his part at this point...he was educated in Western schools.) The entire *universe* is shakti. Nothing you can possibly do or not do will increase or decrease the levels of it in any way. Sex, no sex...married, not-married...no difference. Nothing you can possibly do or not do is going to affect your ability to realize enlightenment because you are already enlightened. As for shakti, the tradition I come from says that even one minute spent suppressing a sexual desire or feeling guilty about having one wastes more energy than having sex a hundred times. Stop pretending that what you do or don't do with your wanger (his term, really) is going to speed or delay your realization of your own enlightenment. It won't, and all that such beliefs will do is make you joy- less and a drag on other members of your sangha. Whether you have sex doesn't matter. Whether you don't have sex doesn't matter. Neither affects your realization in any way. Only how you live and how you treat other sentient beings does that, and if your fear of sex renders you joyless *as* you live, that will sabotage your realization more surely than if you had sex with all the women in the world. In Buddhism, attachment to impermanent things is regarded as one of the major causes of suffering. Sex is arguably the strongest attachment to impermanent things that human beings have. Therefore in Buddhism celibacy has been regarded as essential to obtaining Nirvana (liberation from suffering). http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Celibacy#Buddhism Here's what Buddhism says, what say you? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Re: Celibacy, Another View
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Curtis, do you know how old BillyG. is? Doesn't he sound like we were in our early 20's and afraid of intimacy, er, i mean, concerned with getting enlightened and not wasting our precious semen on something so impermanent as sex? By now I think we should have figured out how sex fits into our lives right? Weekend in Vegas, coke and hookers = shortsighted (and expensive!) Sex with a loved one (even yourself)= expression of love. It isn't exactly rocket science. I do hear the echoes of my misguided yogic youth in the semen-loss fears from Billy and Nabby. The day I stopped associating orgasm with being a loss of energy was the last time it was one for me. --- On Tue, 11/25/08, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Celibacy, Another View To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 6:53 PM In Buddhism, attachment to impermanent things is regarded as one of the major causes of suffering. Sex is arguably the strongest attachment to impermanent things that human beings have. So I'm guessing you have never fallen in love? Lived in a family? Sex is way down the list of things I am attached to. Therefore in Buddhism celibacy has been regarded as essential to obtaining Nirvana (liberation from suffering). http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Celibacy#Buddhism Here's what Buddhism says, what say you? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wgm4u@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I do so love finding people's hot buttons, and there is no doubt that the Puritanical, fear-based approach to sex and sexuality one finds in the TM movement has spawned more than a few of those hot buttons. So, to push them further in those who have them, and more hopefully to draw intelligent comment from those still capable of it, here is the best commentary on the value or non- value of celibacy in the pursuit of enlight- enment I've ever heard. This is a paraphrase, done from memory, of a short exchange I heard from a spiritual teacher I met once. The speaker is the high lama of a Tibetan monas- tery in exile in Bhutan; he is also the recog- nized tulku (known and tested reincarnation) of a famous 19th-century enlightened saint, and is widely regarded by those in Buddhist circles as fully enlightened in this incar- nation. He is, as far as I know, celibate, but many members of his sangha, including his fellow lamas at the monastery he presides over, are not. His response was to someone worried that sex was going to deplete their shakti. Those who do not have sex out of fear of depleting the shakti they 'need' to realize enlightenment are foolish. If the tiny amount of shakti released when having sex is going to keep them from enlightenment, they never had a chance of realizing it in the first place. To believe otherwise is as ludicrous as believing that by taking a drink of water you are lowering the level of the oceans. E=MC2. Neither matter nor energy can ever be created or destroyed. (Hearty laugh on his part at this point...he was educated in Western schools.) The entire *universe* is shakti. Nothing you can possibly do or not do will increase or decrease the levels of it in any way. Sex, no sex...married, not-married...no difference. Nothing you can possibly do or not do is going to affect your ability to realize enlightenment because you are already enlightened. As for shakti, the tradition I come from says that even one minute spent suppressing a sexual desire or feeling guilty about having one wastes more energy than having sex a hundred times. Stop pretending that what you do or don't do with your wanger (his term, really) is going to speed or delay your realization of your own enlightenment. It won't, and all that such beliefs will do is make you joy- less and a drag on other members of your sangha. Whether you have sex doesn't matter. Whether you don't have sex doesn't matter. Neither affects your realization in any way. Only how you live and how you treat other sentient beings does that, and if your fear of sex renders you joyless *as* you live, that will sabotage your realization more surely than if you had sex with all the women in the world. In Buddhism, attachment to impermanent things is regarded as one of the major causes of suffering. Sex is arguably the strongest attachment to impermanent things that human beings have. Therefore in Buddhism celibacy
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[FairfieldLife] Celibacy: The Movie
Are we having fun yet? Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Celibacy, Another View
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: People who crow about subduing their sex drive seem like old withered vines, no matter what their age. Exactly. I'm sure that in your travels you have met a few natural celibates. I certainly have. These people are NOT afraid of sex. They can joke about it and talk about it or not, whatever is appropriate. It's just that the thought of having sex never occurs to them, and the thought of talk- ing about their own sex life (or lack thereof) never occurs to them, either. Would you feel the need to talk about not particularly feeling the need to eat brussel sprouts? No, most people wouldn't. So why do some people seemingly feel the need to almost become prosyletutes about not particularly feeling the need to have sex? It's sheer ego, and in my opinion seriously debilitating ego. Precisely. Egoic aversion to sex is no less egoic than egoic grasping/craving for sex. It's just the opposite polarity of the same bondage.
[FairfieldLife] Twilight
I just got back from seeing this film and though it was made for a teen age audience it was very well done on all levels. The cinematography was excellent and for a change British Columbia wasn't standing in for Washington locations though Oregon stood in for some scenes on the Columbian Gorge and Cannon Beach for the surfing scene. Forks, the town where the story takes place, is actually near the ocean and not the Columbia river. In fact it was the locations that attracted me to the film not the story. This film deserves some awards maybe on the Golden Globe level. And I could have done without the cheerleaders in the back row. Must be some spoiled little girls from the million dollar homes at the top of the hill here.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The flavor of FairfieldLife
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Raunchy, You are buying in hook line and sinker to Judy's own personal mythology about her role here. Barry lies and Judy calls him out on it. I don't see any mythology there. I am a fan of both Judy and Turq's contributions here, but I also understand how their personal metaphors shape their contributions. (as mine affect mine) Your role here is a provocateur which is closer to Turq's personal metaphor IMO. O.K. you have identified metaphors for raunchy[top]dog and Barry [bottom]dog as provocateurs. What is Judy's personal metaphor? Raunchydog Provocateur I like how that sounds, but a more complete metaphor is defender of truth, justice and the American way (Superwoman) Truth: I've been an defender of Hillary and anti-Obama detractor. I did my best to present my case to an audience hostile to the very idea that anyone could possibly find anything to criticize about the beloved Obama. Bursting the Obama bubble isn't easy. American Way: Call me old fashioned, but I do respect for the office of the presidency and I will respect Obama as my president. However, it does not mean I drank any Kool Aid or that I cannot criticize or disagree with him in the future. Justice: I will always take a stand against sexism and misogyny, a subject which has certainly generated some spirited writing around here. More Justice: Whenever Barry attacks with lies or distortions and imagines crap about me, he can expect a smack down. First Judy: Although you have elevated her role as the single defender of what is pure and true, this is a PR version. At her best she can serve this role in specific discussions, and I appreciate her for it. I dig how she is willing to engage and work through complex issues and point out perspective I have missed. Agreed. But I am real clear that what she is up to with Turq is out of her delight in belittling him. Most of what you seem to be elevating to exposing fraudulence is just her disagreeing in the most contentious insulting way. Turn about is fair play. If Barry is contentious and insulting, she responds in kind and he gets what he deserves. When Judy gets focused on a topic I am interested there is no poster here who adds more value to the discussion. But the Turq war is not an example of that. I see that for what it is, a personal feud with a little more mean spiritedness than I am comfortable with on both sides. And so that part of their contributions is none of my business. I don't believe they should be censored for something they obviously enjoy. Agreed. Now Turq, Do you really believe that the rest of us are unable to notice when Turq is letting something fly just to stir the shit? You do it all the time so you should be able to understand. I know you recognize shit when you see it and I appreciate your ability to jump into the middle of a shit storm while maintaining a demeanor of kindness and respect. Judy takes everything with equal seriousness as a challenge to her sense of what is right and wrong I'm respect her for her sense of right and wrong. Ethical standards, a moral compass and respect for others is the glue of society that anarchists abhor. I may be a provocateur but Barry is often an anarchist. and Turq winds her up just to see her react. He has said as much. This isn't that deep. Turq is a creative writer whose contributions are valued (by me) because he is willing to write a bunch of stuff that he hasn't edited so much that no one can disagree. It provokes thought. Sometimes it is clearly to antagonize Judy. I usually skip those because they are written for an audience of one. I use the name Turq in context of his persona here because that is consistent with how his role as provocateur is only a part of Barry the person. Barry is a writer and Judy is an editor. They are forever destined to be cobra and mongoose. Judy the mongoose out maneuvers her poisonous foe with deadly speed and agility. As highly intelligent people who are willing to spend time writing a lot here, they are both huge assets to my intellectual life. They are driven by their own personal metaphors that go beyond my choices sometimes. Hallelujah! That is what I am here for. Their personal feud has nothing to do with me. But any attempt to demonize either one of them, or censor their prolific contributions, seems misguided to me. They are a force of nature to be enjoyed and appreciated for what they are. Two imperfect people writing like crazy on a public board. Agreed. I appreciate your contributions the same way Raunchy. Even when I disagree I appreciate that you took the time to contribute to my intellectual universe here. Writing takes time and effort and I applaud the posters who make this place stimulating. (ooh baby baby!) No one here is inhabiting higher ground. We are all
[FairfieldLife] Re: Twilight
Bhairitu, I'll be sure to see it, thanks for the recommendation. I used to live on the Olympic Peninsula, first in Port Angeles right on a bluff 50-feet above the Straits of Juan de Fuca, later in the woods in a 2-room log cabin outside of Blynn off of Chicken Coop Road and down a quarter-mile of driveway/creekbed, and after that, back in Port Angeles. I've been to Forks on more than one occasion and it was a pretty intense outback type of place, still a real logging town when I was there. The whole Olympic Peninsula is one of those otherworldly and deeply beautiful places. Thanks, again. Marek ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just got back from seeing this film and though it was made for a teen age audience it was very well done on all levels. The cinematography was excellent and for a change British Columbia wasn't standing in for Washington locations though Oregon stood in for some scenes on the Columbian Gorge and Cannon Beach for the surfing scene. Forks, the town where the story takes place, is actually near the ocean and not the Columbia river. In fact it was the locations that attracted me to the film not the story. This film deserves some awards maybe on the Golden Globe level. And I could have done without the cheerleaders in the back row. Must be some spoiled little girls from the million dollar homes at the top of the hill here.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The flavor of FairfieldLife
Thanks for the detailed response Raunchy. I don't believe the group is as wide eyed about Obama as you seem to think. And seeing Turq as the Antichrist seems to me to make him into a one dimensional figure that misses what is great about his contributions here. I think that Judy's mythology, that she is somehow uniquely capable of upholding ethical standards, is a bit far fetched. I can think of plenty of posters whose ethical compass seems to match my own. (I know, insert snark here!) But we both seem to appreciate her contributions and see beyond the feud which shouldn't define either of them IMO. Thanks for hitting the ball back with your own special spin Raunchydog Provocateur! (I'll reserve the title of Superwoman for the woman in my life if you don't mind. She pretty much has to be to put up with me!) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Raunchy, You are buying in hook line and sinker to Judy's own personal mythology about her role here. Barry lies and Judy calls him out on it. I don't see any mythology there. I am a fan of both Judy and Turq's contributions here, but I also understand how their personal metaphors shape their contributions. (as mine affect mine) Your role here is a provocateur which is closer to Turq's personal metaphor IMO. O.K. you have identified metaphors for raunchy[top]dog and Barry [bottom]dog as provocateurs. What is Judy's personal metaphor? Raunchydog Provocateur I like how that sounds, but a more complete metaphor is defender of truth, justice and the American way (Superwoman) Truth: I've been an defender of Hillary and anti-Obama detractor. I did my best to present my case to an audience hostile to the very idea that anyone could possibly find anything to criticize about the beloved Obama. Bursting the Obama bubble isn't easy. American Way: Call me old fashioned, but I do respect for the office of the presidency and I will respect Obama as my president. However, it does not mean I drank any Kool Aid or that I cannot criticize or disagree with him in the future. Justice: I will always take a stand against sexism and misogyny, a subject which has certainly generated some spirited writing around here. More Justice: Whenever Barry attacks with lies or distortions and imagines crap about me, he can expect a smack down. First Judy: Although you have elevated her role as the single defender of what is pure and true, this is a PR version. At her best she can serve this role in specific discussions, and I appreciate her for it. I dig how she is willing to engage and work through complex issues and point out perspective I have missed. Agreed. But I am real clear that what she is up to with Turq is out of her delight in belittling him. Most of what you seem to be elevating to exposing fraudulence is just her disagreeing in the most contentious insulting way. Turn about is fair play. If Barry is contentious and insulting, she responds in kind and he gets what he deserves. When Judy gets focused on a topic I am interested there is no poster here who adds more value to the discussion. But the Turq war is not an example of that. I see that for what it is, a personal feud with a little more mean spiritedness than I am comfortable with on both sides. And so that part of their contributions is none of my business. I don't believe they should be censored for something they obviously enjoy. Agreed. Now Turq, Do you really believe that the rest of us are unable to notice when Turq is letting something fly just to stir the shit? You do it all the time so you should be able to understand. I know you recognize shit when you see it and I appreciate your ability to jump into the middle of a shit storm while maintaining a demeanor of kindness and respect. Judy takes everything with equal seriousness as a challenge to her sense of what is right and wrong I'm respect her for her sense of right and wrong. Ethical standards, a moral compass and respect for others is the glue of society that anarchists abhor. I may be a provocateur but Barry is often an anarchist. and Turq winds her up just to see her react. He has said as much. This isn't that deep. Turq is a creative writer whose contributions are valued (by me) because he is willing to write a bunch of stuff that he hasn't edited so much that no one can disagree. It provokes thought. Sometimes it is clearly to antagonize Judy. I usually skip those because they are written for an audience of one. I use the name Turq in context of his persona here because that is consistent with how his role as provocateur is only a part of Barry the person. Barry is a writer and Judy is an editor. They are forever destined to be cobra
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Twilight
At first I couldn't remember my Forks connection as I've never been there but played a weekend gig once at Neah Bay and a couple weeks at a Port Angeles club. The Olympics are something else. I remember taking that drive up to the summit once from Port Angeles. After posting my recommendation for Twilight I recalled that a close friend of the family taught high school in Forks and the high school is in the film. Marek Reavis wrote: Bhairitu, I'll be sure to see it, thanks for the recommendation. I used to live on the Olympic Peninsula, first in Port Angeles right on a bluff 50-feet above the Straits of Juan de Fuca, later in the woods in a 2-room log cabin outside of Blynn off of Chicken Coop Road and down a quarter-mile of driveway/creekbed, and after that, back in Port Angeles. I've been to Forks on more than one occasion and it was a pretty intense outback type of place, still a real logging town when I was there. The whole Olympic Peninsula is one of those otherworldly and deeply beautiful places. Thanks, again. Marek ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just got back from seeing this film and though it was made for a teen age audience it was very well done on all levels. The cinematography was excellent and for a change British Columbia wasn't standing in for Washington locations though Oregon stood in for some scenes on the Columbian Gorge and Cannon Beach for the surfing scene. Forks, the town where the story takes place, is actually near the ocean and not the Columbia river. In fact it was the locations that attracted me to the film not the story. This film deserves some awards maybe on the Golden Globe level. And I could have done without the cheerleaders in the back row. Must be some spoiled little girls from the million dollar homes at the top of the hill here.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Russian Guy Sees US Collapse'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@ wrote: RUSSIAN ANALYST PREDICTS DECLINE AND BREAKUP OF USA Tue Nov 25 2008 09:04:22 ET A leading Russian political analyst has said the economic turmoil in the United States has confirmed his long-held view that the country is heading for collapse, and will divide into separate parts. Professor Igor Panarin said in an interview with the respected daily IZVESTIA published on Monday: The dollar is not secured by anything. The country's foreign debt has grown like an avalanche, even though in the early 1980s there was no debt. By 1998, when I first made my prediction, it had exceeded $2 trillion. Now it is more than 11 trillion. This is a pyramid that can only collapse. The paper said Panarin's dire predictions for the U.S. economy, initially made at an international conference in Australia 10 years ago at a time when the economy appeared strong, have been given more credence by this year's events. When asked when the U.S. economy would collapse, Panarin said: It is already collapsing. Due to the financial crisis, three of the largest and oldest five banks on Wall Street have already ceased to exist, and two are barely surviving. Their losses are the biggest in history. Now what we will see is a change in the regulatory system on a global financial scale: America will no longer be the world's financial regulator. When asked who would replace the U.S. in regulating world markets, he said: Two countries could assume this role: China, with its vast reserves, and Russia, which could play the role of a regulator in Eurasia. Asked why he expected the U.S. to break up into separate parts, he said: A whole range of reasons. Firstly, the financial problems in the U.S. will get worse. Millions of citizens there have lost their savings. Prices and unemployment are on the rise. General Motors and Ford are on the verge of collapse, and this means that whole cities will be left without work. Governors are already insistently demanding money from the federal center. Dissatisfaction is growing, and at the moment it is only being held back by the elections and the hope that Obama can work miracles. But by spring, it will be clear that there are no miracles. He also cited the vulnerable political setup, lack of unified national laws, and divisions among the elite, which have become clear in these crisis conditions. He predicted that the U.S. will break up into six parts - the Pacific coast, with its growing Chinese population; the South, with its Hispanics; Texas, where independence movements are on the rise; the Atlantic coast, with its distinct and separate mentality; five of the poorer central states with their large Native American populations; and the northern states, where the influence from Canada is strong. He even suggested that we could claim Alaska - it was only granted on lease, after all. Panarin, 60, is a professor at the Diplomatic Academy of the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and has authored several books on information warfare. Is this russian fellow a clairvoiant also ? I would not be one bit surprised if all these predictions come through in every detail, the north/south divide did not completely heal and recent history have shown that the americans are not able to digest the diversity they are so proud of - it's a hollow shell and show off like so much from that country. In addition it's an open question how long the finances will be available to have so many indian Pundits there to create enough coherence to keep the country together. When the country breaks up, in which part will you belong babajii- 99 ? If Abraham Lincoln could hold the country together, then... Barack Obama will hold the country together now. Unity will replace division, and with unity, miracles Do Happen. This Russian dude is Not- Clarvoiant.. Rather, I thought he was looking at his nation's image, In the old dusty mirror of the lost Soviet Empir... All broken up, and is still working it's way through the aftermath. Plus they are pissed because the price of their precious oil has plummeted...which he blames on the financial meltdown, originated in the United States...as if there is no greed in Russia...give me a break! The Ruskies are still into power-tripping...and so it goes; That's why we still have nukes, I reacon. R.G.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The flavor of FairfieldLife
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 10:14 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The flavor of FairfieldLife (snip) It's called Fairfield Life, right? Well, remember there's always been the conflict in Fairfield, Between the Ru's and the Townie's... So, just think of it like that...it's sort of built into the equation. I actually think that some of the townies are possessed by bad spirits which get released, as the many people, who have passed through Fairfield, probably a few bad spirits got dropped off... And may have attatched to some on the south side, so be careful, out there... Watch it bub. Sal and I live on the south side. You want a knuckle sandwich? Sorry, big feller... I was just remembering an incident on the South side, where some crazy teenagers were giving me the finger, etc, when I was visting Faifield in 2000, and my children were with me... So, nothing against the you guys... R.G.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Celibacy, Another View
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In Buddhism, attachment to impermanent things is regarded as one of the major causes of suffering. Sex is arguably the strongest attachment to impermanent things that human beings have. So I'm guessing you have never fallen in love? Lived in a family? Sex is way down the list of things I am attached to. Why don't you argue the point, not the person? Nobody is judging you, who cares anyway what you do. You are taking the subject matter way too seriously in a personal way, and I suppose that will continue, perhaps you don't know how to argue objectively..
[FairfieldLife] Re: Celibacy, Another View
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Curtis, do you know how old BillyG. is? Doesn't he sound like we were in our early 20's and afraid of intimacy, er, i mean, concerned with getting enlightened and not wasting our precious semen on something so impermanent as sex? Obviously you have nothing intelligent to say about the actual subject, your buttons have been pushed and you just don't know what to do about it, you have nothing substantive to say.about the subject itself!!! A person like me is a threat to folks like you and must be destroyed. I'm too dangerous, I speak the truth and to those in darkness the truth is like light to draculathey must immediately flee or destroy the source of their discomfort, how sad a way to live life.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Celibacy, Another View
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Precisely. Egoic aversion to sex is no less egoic than egoic grasping/craving for sex. It's just the opposite polarity of the same bondage. I love the way you guys create your own windmills and then knock them down, no one talking about aversion to sex..it's aversion to sex outside of its intended purpose as delineated by scripture and the great Religions and teachers of the World.
[FairfieldLife] Re: New summary of the Maharishi Effect research with bibliography
(snip) I believe the ME came before anything to do with levitation... I also believe that when someone transcends that person enlivens the transcendent in the atmosphere. When the transcendent is enlivened there is an atmosphere created of order. It's like creating a vibration of a beautiful song, a beautiful sound...and that vibrates everything into harmony... Kind of the opposite of 'heavy metal' or 'gangsta rap' or listening to Sarah Palin speak, etc... R.G.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Celibacy, Another View
So I'm guessing you have never fallen in love? Lived in a family? Sex is way down the list of things I am attached to. Why don't you argue the point, not the person? My point was that sex is not the thing humans are most attached to. I was referencing your experience. That is not arguing the person, your own experience IS my argument. It refutes your point. Nobody is judging you, You don't know me so that point is moot. who cares anyway what you do. You are taking the subject matter way too seriously in a personal way, and I suppose that will continue, perhaps you don't know how to argue objectively.. And you are avoiding my question which disproves the theory that sex is such a big deal for humans that it is our biggest attachment. Your last attempt to put me down personally was a nice touch right after accusing me of not being able to argue objectively. Perhaps self reflection is not your strong point? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: In Buddhism, attachment to impermanent things is regarded as one of the major causes of suffering. Sex is arguably the strongest attachment to impermanent things that human beings have. So I'm guessing you have never fallen in love? Lived in a family? Sex is way down the list of things I am attached to. Why don't you argue the point, not the person? Nobody is judging you, who cares anyway what you do. You are taking the subject matter way too seriously in a personal way, and I suppose that will continue, perhaps you don't know how to argue objectively..
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New summary of the Maharishi Effect research with bibliography
On Nov 25, 2008, at 4:52 PM, Patrick Gillam wrote: The picture you linked to shows a standard motif used in Himalayan thankha or scroll paintings for enlightened beings, (accept of course for the guy they pasted in there :-)). You mean, it's standard practice to show someone levitating? Disregard the mountains and accouterments for the moment. Flying is generally depicted in differently in enlightenment art, there's actually a recent book on Flying Siddhas in traditional himalayan, The Flying Mystics of Tibetan Buddhism which goes into this in some detail. The one shown in your link is actually that typically shown as an aureole or a bindu, tiglay in Tibetan. When a yogi enters the state of unity consciousness, there are a series of visionary states that naturally develop and often this is the form other inter- dimensional beings manifest in.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Twilight
Very cool. When did you play Port A.? I was there in the mid-80s for a couple of years before moving to Seattle. While there I bartended but not at a club, just a little Italian bar/restaurant. That's Hurricane Ridge above Port A. you visited; what an amazing place that is. ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At first I couldn't remember my Forks connection as I've never been there but played a weekend gig once at Neah Bay and a couple weeks at a Port Angeles club. The Olympics are something else. I remember taking that drive up to the summit once from Port Angeles. After posting my recommendation for Twilight I recalled that a close friend of the family taught high school in Forks and the high school is in the film. Marek Reavis wrote: Bhairitu, I'll be sure to see it, thanks for the recommendation. I used to live on the Olympic Peninsula, first in Port Angeles right on a bluff 50-feet above the Straits of Juan de Fuca, later in the woods in a 2-room log cabin outside of Blynn off of Chicken Coop Road and down a quarter-mile of driveway/creekbed, and after that, back in Port Angeles. I've been to Forks on more than one occasion and it was a pretty intense outback type of place, still a real logging town when I was there. The whole Olympic Peninsula is one of those otherworldly and deeply beautiful places. Thanks, again. Marek ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: I just got back from seeing this film and though it was made for a teen age audience it was very well done on all levels. The cinematography was excellent and for a change British Columbia wasn't standing in for Washington locations though Oregon stood in for some scenes on the Columbian Gorge and Cannon Beach for the surfing scene. Forks, the town where the story takes place, is actually near the ocean and not the Columbia river. In fact it was the locations that attracted me to the film not the story. This film deserves some awards maybe on the Golden Globe level. And I could have done without the cheerleaders in the back row. Must be some spoiled little girls from the million dollar homes at the top of the hill here.
