[FairfieldLife] Re: Science absorbs Religion

2008-12-24 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5
dhamiltony...@... wrote:

 Dr. B:  All Religion
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uAx059ecLgfeature=channel
 
 http://tinyurl.com/a4fj3d

I couldn't force myself to watch more
than the first minute or so of this, but
that was enough. Dr. Anti-Charisma manages
in that short time to actually turn the
myth surrounding the writing of the Tao
Te Ching into a TM movement-serving lie.
He claims that Lao-tzu was trying to go
to India when he was (in the myth) stopped
by a gatekeeper who asked him to write down
his wisdom before he left China.

Lao-tzu was heading in the other direction
in the real myth, towards Mongolia and 
Manchuria. But His Bevanness manages to
turn that into him trying to go to India,
and India being the source of his wisdom.

What a putz -- the whole idea seems to be
co-opting some other tradition's wisdom 
and claiming it's based on TM, and so the
white-suited toady can't help himself from
lying about a well-documented legend so 
that he can co-opt it as well.





[FairfieldLife] Re: Melissa Etheridge on Rick Warren

2008-12-24 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2...@...
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wgm4u@ wrote:
  
   But it's not the 'wrath of God' that brings on this 
   destruction, it's violation of the natural laws of nature 
   made by God, we have freewill to either obey these laws or 
   suffer as a result of our ignorance of these laws or outright 
   defiance of these laws, 
  
  We have free will, period. BTW, the laws of nature
  you believe in are fiction, too.  :-)
  
 snip,
 I find that ignoring the law of gravity can be troublesome at times.
 some of the laws of nature seem pretty real to me or am I missing
 something here?  N.

Nelson, I was just poking a little good-natured
fun at Billy because he was extending the concept
of the laws of nature to say that he considered
things like unbridled sexuality, homosexuality, 
and lust to be against them.

My point was that the word law is inappropriate.
Take your example of gravity, for example. So far,
as far as I know, no scientist has fully explained
this *force* of nature. When they finally come up
with a theory that seems to cover all the bases,
in their hubris they'll proclaim their theory to
be a law of nature.

It isn't. You violate the law of gravity every
time you step on a plane or fly a kite. What humans
in their hubris call laws are merely their spec-
ulations about the nature of the forces of nature;
they aren't laws.

And they go even further afield in their hubris
when they attempt to claim that the things that 
they personally feel are moral or right are
laws of nature. And they step into the world of
the absurd when they claim that these theories of
morality and proper behavior were dictated by
God. 






[FairfieldLife] Re: Melissa Etheridge on Rick Warren

2008-12-24 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wg...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
  
   We have free will, period. BTW, the laws of nature
   you believe in are fiction, too.  :-)
   
  I find that ignoring the law of gravity can be troublesome 
  at times. some of the laws of nature seem pretty real to me 
  or am I missing something here?  N.
 
 Turquoise makes up his own laws as he goes along apparently, to date
 he has not specified his moral beliefs, per se, although he may be a
 moral humanist much like an existentialist, (like my brother).

I do, in fact, make up my own rules of proper behavior
as I go along, based on the situation itself and my
perception of what may be right action in that par-
ticular situation. I would suppose that this makes me
a moral relativist.

Personally, I loathe the word morals or morality
and prefer the more Buddhist terms ethics. Morality
connotes something that has been codified by a trad-
ition, be it social or religious, and passed along
to others. Ethics comes from within. IMO you can 
never go wrong if you attune yourself with an inner
sense of ethics, but you cannot help but go wrong if
you attune yourself to and follow to the letter some
codified system of morals.

Take Thou shalt not kill. You do it every day, if
you eat meat, and even if you eat vegetables. You
make exceptions for wars, and when you want to execute
a wrongdoer for violating one of your made-up laws.
A Buddhist, on the other hand, would always feel that
killing was not right action, and would search for a
way to avoid it. If it can't be avoided, he would 
do what seemed necessary ethically, especially if by
killing one individual you saved thousands. But he
would never, even for a moment, pretend that the
killing was right or justified. He would assume
that he was going to suffer all of the karmic blow-
back for killing, even if it WAS the right thing
to do in this situation.

That's the difference between ethics and morality.
There are no exceptions in ethics. You make your
decisions and you live with the repercussions of
your actions. 

Billy puts his trust in *what he has been told by
other people* about what is right and what is 
wrong and then follows them blindly, as if the
people who told him these things were right. I put 
my trust only in what feels right to me.





[FairfieldLife] Re: Melissa Etheridge on Rick Warren

2008-12-24 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wg...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
 
  And, just as a real mindfuck, what if there is no
  judgment and this guy gets away with his lifestyle 
  while you spent years bridling your sexuality?
  
  http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/55053/original.jpg
 
 Here's picture of a man who has 'sold' his soul to the devil, 
 much like Faust. The bargain was if he compromised his integrity 
 (by publishing Playboy) the devil (temptation) would reward him 
 with all the worldly pleasures he could enjoy. The down side was, 
 at the time of death the Devil would own his soul. 

Billy, do you have any idea how much JEALOUSY 
and sour grapes comes out when you say shit
like this? You are JEALOUS of Hugh Hefner, that's
all. He got a lifetime full of nookie and you did
not. So you make up stories about what his moti-
vations were for getting the nookie and all of the
bad things that will happen to him after his death
for getting the nookie.

Bottom line is that he may just get away with a 
lifetime full of nookie. And that pisses you off,
because you didn't.

So you make up imaginary Devils and imaginary stories
of the horrible things that will happen to him because
he wasn't as moral as you are, and you project them
outwards to cover the fact that you're simply jealous.
Wouldn't it have been a lot more efficient on your
part to just go get laid?

 Meaning, since he never dedicated himself to any spiritual pursuits
 (ostensibly) he would have nothing spiritual to live out in the
 afterlife, hence he could only *pine* (since he couldn't fulfill 
 those desires in the afterlife) for those wonderful glory days of 
 the senses (aka hell, purgatory, pretaloka).
 
 To some degree we all sell our souls to the devil whenever we
 compromise principle for advantage, and we have the price (devil) 
 to pay.





[FairfieldLife] Re: Melissa Etheridge on Rick Warren

2008-12-24 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote:

 [ A fascinating and uplifting counterpoint to all
 the hysterical condemnations of Rick Warren, and
 Obama for inviting him to the party. Remember, this 
 is the person who refuses to pay California taxes 
 in the wake of Proposition 8 passing. ]

As a followup, t'would seem that Obama extending
a proverbial hand across the aisle to Rick Warren
has had the effect of causing him to temper his
language about gays and backtrack to change his
public stance. Cynics (and those who are more 
attached to their own righteous anger and indig-
nation and sense of superiority than they are
actually changing the attitudes of people towards
gays) may claim that this is all for show, and 
that he doesn't really mean it. 

So what? He's DOING it. He *has* tempered his lang-
uage and his stance towards gays, and as a direct
result of being *included* instead of being rejected
as less than human by people who claim that they
are doing so because he has referred in the past
to gays as less than human. The HYPOCRISY of 
those who wear their hatred of Rick Warren on their
sleeves proudly because they claim he hates gays
is just astounding. 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/12/23/rick-warren-scrubs-anti-g_n_153068.html

http://www.tmz.com/2008/12/23/rick-warren-out-of-the-closet/

Rick Warren's image change may be only for show.
But he is *making* an image change. His website has
been scrubbed clean of anti-gay language. He is 
going out of his way to scrub anti-gay hate behavior 
from his life.

Meanwhile, a couple of people on this forum have not
changed *their* image one iota. They are still clinging 
to their hatred of Rick Warren and being proud of it, 
while decrying Barack Obama for coming up with an idea 
that WORKED to reduce the amount of anti-gay hate speech 
in the world. Fuckin' hypocrites.





[FairfieldLife] Re: Melissa Etheridge on Rick Warren

2008-12-24 Thread raunchydog
The religious right has been quite satisfied by Obama's reach around.
They know Pastor Rick is just doing what he must to further their
bigoted agenda and trade on the credibility Obama has given them. A
sham of change is not change. Make no mistake about it, the Fundies
are repulsed by the thought of gay sex and are praying this moment
that Jesus will protect Pastor Rick Warren from getting the cooties if
he hugs a gay guy or has dinner with Melissa. They must be laughing
their asses off at his ability to bamboozle The Gays. The only
fuckin' hypocrites in this discussion have been preacher-man and
Obama-can (do whatever the hell he wants.) Get use to it folks, Obama
cannot resist poking the you in the eye and blaming you for the pain.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
 
  [ A fascinating and uplifting counterpoint to all
  the hysterical condemnations of Rick Warren, and
  Obama for inviting him to the party. Remember, this 
  is the person who refuses to pay California taxes 
  in the wake of Proposition 8 passing. ]
 
 As a followup, t'would seem that Obama extending
 a proverbial hand across the aisle to Rick Warren
 has had the effect of causing him to temper his
 language about gays and backtrack to change his
 public stance. Cynics (and those who are more 
 attached to their own righteous anger and indig-
 nation and sense of superiority than they are
 actually changing the attitudes of people towards
 gays) may claim that this is all for show, and 
 that he doesn't really mean it. 
 
 So what? He's DOING it. He *has* tempered his lang-
 uage and his stance towards gays, and as a direct
 result of being *included* instead of being rejected
 as less than human by people who claim that they
 are doing so because he has referred in the past
 to gays as less than human. The HYPOCRISY of 
 those who wear their hatred of Rick Warren on their
 sleeves proudly because they claim he hates gays
 is just astounding. 
 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/12/23/rick-warren-scrubs-anti-g_n_153068.html
 
 http://www.tmz.com/2008/12/23/rick-warren-out-of-the-closet/
 
 Rick Warren's image change may be only for show.
 But he is *making* an image change. His website has
 been scrubbed clean of anti-gay language. He is 
 going out of his way to scrub anti-gay hate behavior 
 from his life.
 
 Meanwhile, a couple of people on this forum have not
 changed *their* image one iota. They are still clinging 
 to their hatred of Rick Warren and being proud of it, 
 while decrying Barack Obama for coming up with an idea 
 that WORKED to reduce the amount of anti-gay hate speech 
 in the world. Fuckin' hypocrites.





[FairfieldLife] Re: Melissa Etheridge on Rick Warren

2008-12-24 Thread do.rflex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2...@...
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wgm4u@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
   
[ A fascinating and uplifting counterpoint to all
the hysterical condemnations of Rick Warren, and
Obama for inviting him to the party. Remember, this 
is the person who refuses to pay California taxes 
in the wake of Proposition 8 passing. ]

The Choice Is Ours Now
by Melissa Etheridge
   
   I know she, and probably you, scoff and snicker at the story 
   in the Bible of 'Sodom and Gomorrah', yet it contains an 
   important moral lesson. If humanity continues in behavior 
   that is contrary to natural law, it will suffer. In this 
   context unbridled sexuality, homosexuality, and lust led 
   to the demise of Sodom and Gomorrah...does San Francisco 
   qualify? probably!
  
  Billy, Billy, Billy. I'll bet you still believe
  in Santa Claus, too.  :-)
  
  Hate to break it to you, dude, but the story of
  what happened to Sodom and Gomorrah is fiction, 
  as is the big guy in the sky who supposedly 
  wasted them because they weren't as uptight
  as he was.
  
   But it's not the 'wrath of God' that brings on this 
   destruction, it's violation of the natural laws of nature 
   made by God, we have freewill to either obey these laws or 
   suffer as a result of our ignorance of these laws or outright 
   defiance of these laws, 
  
  We have free will, period. BTW, the laws of nature
  you believe in are fiction, too.  :-)
  
 snip,
I find that ignoring the law of gravity can be troublesome at times.
some of the laws of nature seem pretty real to me or am I missing
 something here?  N.


And you assume that the Old Testament determines the laws of nature?
Uh-huh.






[FairfieldLife] Re: Melissa Etheridge on Rick Warren

2008-12-24 Thread do.rflex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wg...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote:
 
 
  --And perhaps you also go by the Old Testament Biblical standards such
  as human rights for prisoners of war as defined by this lovely
example:
  
  Bible: Numbers 31:1-54 - Under god's direction, Moses' army defeats
  the Midianites. They kill all the adult males, but take the women and
  children captive.
  
  When Moses learns that they left some live, he angrily says: Have you
  saved all the women alive? Kill every male among the little ones, and
  kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the
  women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep
  alive for yourselves.
  
  So they went back and did as Moses (and presumably 'god') instructed,
  killing everyone except for the virgins. In this way they got 32,000
  virgins -- Wow!
 
 What a score!  :-)


Translation: I can't answer the questions I snipped so I'll just say
something stupid and pretend those questions don't matter.







[FairfieldLife] Charlie Lutes' explanation on why people are gay

2008-12-24 Thread do.rflex


In my years of working for Charlie he was occasionally asked why
people are gay. And while Charlie was a bit of a homophobe himself, he
made it clear that the soul is without gender and incarnates into the
world of polarities via either a male or female body. 

He also added that in order to fathom the range of human experience
and to learn the 'lessons of life' as he put it, the soul often
changes the gender of the body it uses for this to happen. 

He made it clear that when this change happens, the person who was
previously, for example, a man, may now have the body of a woman but
can and often does retain the desires of the man they were - and
vice-versa. ---

This isn't something limited to the views of Charlie. That the soul is
without gender is a common understanding. And that the soul incarnates
into bodies of both genders is also commonly understood. {Even the
Hindu gods are found in the literature to have occasionally changed
gender.]

That people retain their desires from a previous gender is no
surprise, and neither is it a 'sin' worthy of death as Billy G and
other homophobic bigots are eager to proclaim.
---

You have taken on the human form to gain Divine Mind through
knowledge and experience in the field of combined opposites.

~~  Charlie Lutes







[FairfieldLife] Perfect Xmas gift for Willytex and other paranoids

2008-12-24 Thread TurquoiseB
And it's even free:

http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/12/google-maps-mas.html

This article talks about an application called Ground Zero 
(http://www.carloslabs.com/projects/200712B/GroundZero.html)
developed by Australian coders to take advantage of Google
Maps data to show the effect of a nuclear blast, and how
far the blast damage would reach. (It does not take into 
account radiation or other effects.) Just enter an address
for Ground Zero, press the Nuke It button, and see the
result.

Thus Willytex could see a visual representation of what would
happen if the terrorists he's so terrified of nuked Austin,
and whether the damage would extend to his house. (It would.)

Not that I'm in any position to gloat. I entered data to sim-
ulate a nuclear blast in Barcelona, thirty-some miles away,
and I'd be a crispy critter here in Sitges, too.

While this may not seem in keeping with the peace on Earth
good will to men spirit of the season, I think that such 
visualizations are, in fact, good things. Back in the 50s 
you could see all sorts of data on what the effects of a 
nuclear blast would really be, and the horrible devastation
that would result. Then, both in England and in the US, all
of this data was pulled from the public domain, and no more
documentaries were produced about it. It was like let's
pretend that it wouldn't be as bad as we know it would be.
The sad result is that now whole generations speak about
nuclear weapons as if they could actually be used sanely.
The great British documentary The War Game was made as
a protest to this attempt to hide the reality of nuclear
war by putting our collective heads in the sand.
(http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0059894/)

Better IMO to present the real picture of what would really
happen if some nation or some fanatics ever set off a nuclear
war. According to scientists who've done the math, it would
take as few as 20 modern-sized nuclear weapons going off to
end all life on planet Earth. If more people knew that, fewer
dollars would be being spent on adding more of these weapons
to our arsenals (more new nukes are being built each year
by the U.S. since 9/11 than at any time during the Cold War), 
and politicians would stop talking about using them as if 
they actually could. 

As we're putting the old guard like Dick Cheney (who started
his whole career as a politician by lobbying for the devel-
opment of first strike nuclear weapons by the U.S., weapons
that could be used *only* if we attacked them first, and
without warning) out to pasture, I think it would be a good 
time to reintroduce some reality into the information pres-
ented to a new generation of politicians, so that they don't 
end up thinking that they can actually USE the nukes at their 
disposal. Maybe if they and the public were allowed access to 
real data, we could finally get rid of these things forever.





[FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes' explanation on why people are gay

2008-12-24 Thread Paul Mason
Homophobia... isn't that the fear of getting caught using your 
imagination in a way that could get you branded odd? 



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote:

 
 
 In my years of working for Charlie he was occasionally asked why
 people are gay. And while Charlie was a bit of a homophobe himself, 
he
 made it clear that the soul is without gender and incarnates into 
the
 world of polarities via either a male or female body. 
 
 He also added that in order to fathom the range of human experience
 and to learn the 'lessons of life' as he put it, the soul often
 changes the gender of the body it uses for this to happen. 
 
 He made it clear that when this change happens, the person who was
 previously, for example, a man, may now have the body of a woman but
 can and often does retain the desires of the man they were - and
 vice-versa. ---
 
 This isn't something limited to the views of Charlie. That the soul 
is
 without gender is a common understanding. And that the soul 
incarnates
 into bodies of both genders is also commonly understood. {Even the
 Hindu gods are found in the literature to have occasionally changed
 gender.]
 
 That people retain their desires from a previous gender is no
 surprise, and neither is it a 'sin' worthy of death as Billy G and
 other homophobic bigots are eager to proclaim.
 ---
 
 You have taken on the human form to gain Divine Mind through
 knowledge and experience in the field of combined opposites.
 
 ~~  Charlie Lutes





[FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes' explanation on why people are gay

2008-12-24 Thread BillyG.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: 
 In my years of working for Charlie he was occasionally asked why
 people are gay. And while Charlie was a bit of a homophobe himself, he
 made it clear that the soul is without gender and incarnates into the
 world of polarities via either a male or female body. 
 
 He also added that in order to fathom the range of human experience
 and to learn the 'lessons of life' as he put it, the soul often
 changes the gender of the body it uses for this to happen. 
 
 He made it clear that when this change happens, the person who was
 previously, for example, a man, may now have the body of a woman but
 can and often does retain the desires of the man they were - and
 vice-versa. ---
 
 This isn't something limited to the views of Charlie. That the soul is
 without gender is a common understanding. And that the soul incarnates
 into bodies of both genders is also commonly understood. {Even the
 Hindu gods are found in the literature to have occasionally changed
 gender.]
 
 That people retain their desires from a previous gender is no
 surprise, and neither is it a 'sin' worthy of death as Billy G and
 other homophobic bigots are eager to proclaim.

I was merely relating the story of Sodom and Gomorrah and the
ramifications of licentiousness on a grand scale as stated in the
Bible. You are being judgmental by calling me a homophobe.

 
 You have taken on the human form to gain Divine Mind through
 knowledge and experience in the field of combined opposites.
 
 ~~  Charlie Lutes

You left out the part about the ideal (according to Charlie) is one
should change sexes every 3 lifetimes, if you don't and stubbornly
refuse to be reborn as the opposite sex you're reborn, a little light
in the loafers as he put it.




[FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes' explanation on why people are gay

2008-12-24 Thread do.rflex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wg...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: 
  In my years of working for Charlie he was occasionally asked why
  people are gay. And while Charlie was a bit of a homophobe himself, he
  made it clear that the soul is without gender and incarnates into the
  world of polarities via either a male or female body. 
  
  He also added that in order to fathom the range of human experience
  and to learn the 'lessons of life' as he put it, the soul often
  changes the gender of the body it uses for this to happen. 
  
  He made it clear that when this change happens, the person who was
  previously, for example, a man, may now have the body of a woman but
  can and often does retain the desires of the man they were - and
  vice-versa. ---
  
  This isn't something limited to the views of Charlie. That the soul is
  without gender is a common understanding. And that the soul incarnates
  into bodies of both genders is also commonly understood. {Even the
  Hindu gods are found in the literature to have occasionally changed
  gender.]
  
  That people retain their desires from a previous gender is no
  surprise, and neither is it a 'sin' worthy of death as Billy G and
  other homophobic bigots are eager to proclaim.
 
 I was merely relating the story of Sodom and Gomorrah and the
 ramifications of licentiousness on a grand scale as stated in the
 Bible. You are being judgmental by calling me a homophobe.

That's because you applied those judgments to all gays. Duh. Your own
words show that you are indeed homophobic, Billy G. You've repeatedly
condemned gays for just being gays. That's bigotry.


  You have taken on the human form to gain Divine Mind through
  knowledge and experience in the field of combined opposites.
  
  ~~  Charlie Lutes
 
 You left out the part about the ideal (according to Charlie) is one
 should change sexes every 3 lifetimes, if you don't and stubbornly
 refuse to be reborn as the opposite sex you're reborn, a little light
 in the loafers as he put it.


Looks to me that you made up that last part about 'stubbornly refusing
to be reborn as the opposite sex.' I never heard him say any such thing.









[FairfieldLife] Re: Melissa Etheridge on Rick Warren

2008-12-24 Thread BillyG.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote:


 I would suppose that this makes me
 a moral relativist.

snip

 Billy puts his trust in *what he has been told by
 other people* about what is right and what is 
 wrong and then follows them blindly, as if the
 people who told him these things were right. I put 
 my trust only in what feels right to me.

There are two reliable sources of information regarding right and
wrong, one IS scripture, but it can be wrong. The other is intuition
(i.e. conscience) which is also a reliable source. You have to balance
the two, and as you grow in spiritual receptivity your intuition grows
considerably and becomes more reliable until one is naturally upheld
and established in the 'home of all the laws of nature',
naturally.

Like enlightened dawn suggested, you are using old ideas to make old
arguments about outdated methodologies to deal with lust anger and
greed, in short, you're living in the past...



[FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes' explanation on why people are gay

2008-12-24 Thread do.rflex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandp...@...
wrote:

 Homophobia... isn't that the fear of getting caught using your 
 imagination in a way that could get you branded odd? 


I'd say that's a common reason. Also, studies have shown that
gay-bashing homophobes are often found to be latent homosexuals
themselves. They overcompensate and attempt to hide it by attacking
gays because they're terrified of their own feelings and being exposed.

Prominent gay-bashers are sometimes found in 'difficult to explain'
circumstances. Here are a few names that come to mind:

Mark Foley, Ted Haggard, Larry Craig - and here's a good one:

Troy King, Alabama's Attorney General as well as the chairman of John
McCain's Alabama Leadership Team was reportedly caught by his wife in
their bed with — naturally — another man: 

    King, a conservative Republican Christian who has called
homosexuality the 'downfall of society,' has been caught with his
pants down — literally — in a gay sex scandal. King was reportedly
nabbed having sex with a male assistant by his wife, Paige King, in
the couple's own bed. 

http://tinyurl.com/6jsmv8




 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote:
 
  
  
  In my years of working for Charlie he was occasionally asked why
  people are gay. And while Charlie was a bit of a homophobe himself, 
 he
  made it clear that the soul is without gender and incarnates into 
 the
  world of polarities via either a male or female body. 
  
  He also added that in order to fathom the range of human experience
  and to learn the 'lessons of life' as he put it, the soul often
  changes the gender of the body it uses for this to happen. 
  
  He made it clear that when this change happens, the person who was
  previously, for example, a man, may now have the body of a woman but
  can and often does retain the desires of the man they were - and
  vice-versa. ---
  
  This isn't something limited to the views of Charlie. That the soul 
 is
  without gender is a common understanding. And that the soul 
 incarnates
  into bodies of both genders is also commonly understood. {Even the
  Hindu gods are found in the literature to have occasionally changed
  gender.]
  
  That people retain their desires from a previous gender is no
  surprise, and neither is it a 'sin' worthy of death as Billy G and
  other homophobic bigots are eager to proclaim.
  ---
  
  You have taken on the human form to gain Divine Mind through
  knowledge and experience in the field of combined opposites.
  
  ~~  Charlie Lutes
 





[FairfieldLife] Re: Edg, re: Trikke

2008-12-24 Thread Duveyoung
Cool!

 Marek Reavis wrote:

 Hey, Edg, I wanted to give you a preliminary report on the Trikke.

 Because of lots of rain I only had the opportunity to take it out 2
 more times, 30 minutes on Friday, and another 60 minutes tonight; so
 that's only a total of 2 hours or so.

 Before I go any further, it should be noted that tonight I got it,
 which hadn't been the case earlier two times (more on the
 breakthrough, below).

There's more got its to come.  Muscle memory will gradually accumulate
and lots of trikking attention will be freed up as the common
challenges become  easily handled.  You'll be surprised at what you
learn in the next year, because trikking is about nuancing.  Hills will
teach you this; it is one thing to get the basic technique and quite
another to be use it in all circumstances -- with hills being the
ultimate challenge to use the skill with a higher order of exactitude. 
And it is just pure fun getting to that levelnot a day wasted, never
any this thing is getting boring.  Each day, you find yourself
becoming smoother and less likely to be caught off guard by the many
forces of evil out there masquerading as acorns, sticks, bumps, cracks,
upliftments, etc.

 But some first impressions:

 (1) The Trikke is really well built, even over-engineered it seems to
 me, and it inspires a heap of confidence right off the bat.  It's
 totally sturdy and manufactured without any apparent compromise;
 absolutely no sense of flimsy or cheap, it feels aeronautical, in a
way.

They advertise that it's aircraft aluminum.  Whatever, but the clones
and knockoffs that have come and gone have been quite flimsy and easily
broken.  That said, I've broken my trikkes dozens of times because I'm
just rough as I want to be with them by stressing the joints with
various no-no's like banging into things to bounce backwards off them.
Most trikkers never break a part for years, but megeeze.

 (2) It's really a marvelous concept and you are constantly reminded of
 that while you're doing it; these guys really put a fine thing out in
 the world.

It's a fine thing that newbies can see this almost as clearly as oldies.
But, let me praise your write-up for it's conceptual clarity.  Can I
post this to the general trikking community and to the company?  It's
good.

 (3) It's also very non-intimidating, even right from the start.
 Having a 3-point stable wheel platform made me feel secure and
 confident right away.  Having handlebar mounted handbrakes is another
 confidence-building feature, though I hardly use them.

 (4) Air-filled rubber tires make a lot more sense to me than these
 large PU wheels that I currently have.  Tonight I found another
 location on the high school campus (someplace I probably wasn't
 supposed to be) where it was slick concrete and finegrain asphalt that
 felt super smooth compared to regular asphalt streets around here.
 Rubber tires would smooth everything out just fine, IMO.

There were no  rubber tires when I bought my first Trikke, so I was an
expert by the time they came out, and wow, it was like entering heaven. 
Yet, though the poly wheels give a bumpy jarring ride on many surfaces,
it serves to strengthen the grip of hands and arms and teach one that
alertness is as necessary to trikking as it is to meditation.  And, the
funny thing is that most trikkers keep all their Trikkes just to have
the fun of the poly challenge from time to time.

 (5) I totally appreciate the whole body workout the Trikke delivers.
 What's more, both upper body and lower body energy output seem nicely
 balanced and the rate of output is easily adjusted; I liked the fact
 that I could speed up the pace to get more heat in the workout, or I
 could just cruise and glide.

One can carve using, say, 90% arms-only or 90% legs-only, but using the
whole body all the time is the default choice for most.  Hills work the
upper body quite a bit more, and I look at a hill as a weight lifting
event of a hundred reps of lifting my body uphill one carve-rep at a
time.  On the flats, quads are the long-distance engine with the arms
instantly coming into play when one wants to get back up to speed when
momentum has been attenuated.

 (6) The Trikke provides a high degree of built in feels good that
 dominates the exercise part of it; the immediate reward is the doing
 of the thing, not the deferred gratification of being more fit, and it
 definitely delivers.  The feedback loop is immediate and positive, you
 want to do this thing once you start doing this thing.

Well said.  It just doesn't come off as exercise.  It's so much more
like eating potato chips -- gotta get one last carve in.  Hard to quit
even when you're exhausted.

 That's the quick impressions.  Tonight, however, I finally found the
 groove with the thing and that made (naturally) a huge difference.
 The concept is pretty easy to figure out once you get up on the thing,
 and I'd had long moments of finding the sweet spot while I was riding
 the other 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Edg, re: Trikke

2008-12-24 Thread Duveyoung

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Arhata Osho arhatafreespe...@...
wrote:

 A couple of times on the Venice Boardwalk.  Jim went cross country to
 advertise it!

Jimmy Evans went from coast to coast -- and then, he did it again! 
First time on poly wheels with 50 pounds of backpack strapped to his
Trikke.   And he did Europe too!  And with little or no support team --
he slept on the ground most nights, alone.  The guy is almost like
Forest Gump in his running phase.

Edg

Can be fun for sure.  This town is all hills and kind challenging
 for any type bike.
 Arhata











 Very cool, Arhata, have you tried it?  As you can tell,
I'm a

 neophyte, but definitely impressed by the thing.



 Marek



 **



 --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Arhata Osho

 arhatafreespeech@ ... wrote:

 

  I had a friend Jim , on Venice Beach who introduced that in the

  early 2000's!

  Arhata

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

  Hey, Edg, I wanted to give you a preliminary report on

 the Trikke.

 

 

 

  Because of lots of rain I only had the opportunity to take it out 2

 

  more times, 30 minutes on Friday, and another 60 minutes tonight; so

 

  that's only a total of 2 hours or so.

 

 

 

  Before I go any further, it should be noted that tonight I got it,

 

  which hadn't been the case earlier two times (more on the

 

  breakthrough, below).

 

 

 

  But some first impressions:

 

 

 

  (1) The Trikke is really well built, even over-engineered it seems
to

 

  me, and it inspires a heap of confidence right off the bat.  It's

 

  totally sturdy and manufactured without any apparent compromise;

 

  absolutely no sense of flimsy or cheap, it feels aeronautical, in a
way.

 

 

 

  (2) It's really a marvelous concept and you are constantly reminded
of

 

  that while you're doing it; these guys really put a fine thing out
in

 

  the world.

 

 

 

  (3) It's also very non-intimidating, even right from the start.

 

  Having a 3-point stable wheel platform made me feel secure and

 

  confident right away.  Having handlebar mounted handbrakes is
another

 

  confidence-building feature, though I hardly use them.

 

 

 

  (4) Air-filled rubber tires make a lot more sense to me than these

 

  large PU wheels that I currently have.  Tonight I found another

 

  location on the high school campus (someplace I probably wasn't

 

  supposed to be) where it was slick concrete and finegrain asphalt
that

 

  felt super smooth compared to regular asphalt streets around here.

 

  Rubber tires would smooth everything out just fine, IMO.

 

 

 

  (5) I totally appreciate the whole body workout the Trikke delivers.

 

  What's more, both upper body and lower body energy output seem
nicely

 

  balanced and the rate of output is easily adjusted; I liked the fact

 

  that I could speed up the pace to get more heat in the workout, or I

 

  could just cruise and glide.

 

 

 

  (6) The Trikke provides a high degree of built in feels good that

 

  dominates the exercise part of it; the immediate reward is the
doing

 

  of the thing, not the deferred gratification of being more fit, and
it

 

  definitely delivers.  The feedback loop is immediate and positive,
you

 

  want to do this thing once you start doing this thing.

 

 

 

  That's the quick impressions.  Tonight, however, I finally found the

 

  groove with the thing and that made (naturally) a huge difference.

 

  The concept is pretty easy to figure out once you get up on the
thing,

 

  and I'd had long moments of finding the sweet spot while I was
riding

 

  the other two times; but it wasn't till tonight that I finally found

 

  out how to line up all the different sinuses the Trikke calls into

 

  play, and . . . ahh , yes, that's the ticket.  It
felt

 

  like a horse going from a canter to a gallop, not the speed aspect,

 

  but the change from bouncy and uncomfortable to smooth and right.

 

 

 

  And it was funny, too, because I'd been working it and working it,
and

 

  each time I'd get the thing going but then, with each additional
move,

 

  I'd lose just a little momentum and after a bit I'd have to push off

 

  again with one foot or the other to pick up some speed.  But then,

 

  after about 10-15 minutes the body picked up the groove and all at

 

  once, the mechanism dissolved into the movement.  Very cool.

 

 

 

  Have to say that surfing is like nothing else in my experience and

 

  nothing like the Trikke.  I dig the addition of the Trikke into my

 

  exercise and recreation regimen and expect to use it several times a

 

  week, but I'm sold out to surfing.  Let's hope we get to come back

 

  because next time I'm going start out on the coast and get this

 

  wave-riding thing going first off and not wait till I'm older.

 

 

 

  Anyway, Edg, thanks for the persistence in bringing up the Trikke on

[FairfieldLife] Re: Melissa Etheridge on Rick Warren

2008-12-24 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wgm4u@ wrote:
   
But it's not the 'wrath of God' that brings on this 
destruction, it's violation of the natural laws of nature 
made by God, we have freewill to either obey these laws or 
suffer as a result of our ignorance of these laws or outright 
defiance of these laws, 
   
   We have free will, period. BTW, the laws of nature
   you believe in are fiction, too.  :-)
   
  snip,
  I find that ignoring the law of gravity can be troublesome at 
times.
  some of the laws of nature seem pretty real to me or am I missing
  something here?  N.
 
 Nelson, I was just poking a little good-natured
 fun at Billy because he was extending the concept
 of the laws of nature to say that he considered
 things like unbridled sexuality, homosexuality, 
 and lust to be against them.
 
 My point was that the word law is inappropriate.
 Take your example of gravity, for example. So far,
 as far as I know, no scientist has fully explained
 this *force* of nature. When they finally come up
 with a theory that seems to cover all the bases,
 in their hubris they'll proclaim their theory to
 be a law of nature.

Barry's reasoning here is confused in a number of
different ways. First, he tries to put Billy down
by declaring his use of the term laws of nature
is somehow an unwarranted extension. But then he
goes on to declare that *science's* use of the term
is inappropriate as well.

He seems to think that the only correct usage of the
word law is the *legal* sense.

He's wrong on all three counts.

In fact, of course, Billy's usage isn't something
*he* extended:

When in the Course of human events, it becomes
necessary for one people to dissolve the political
bands which have connected them with another, and
to assume among the powers of the earth, the
separate and equal station to which the LAWS OF
NATURE and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent
respect to the opinions of mankind requires that
they should declare the causes which impel them to
the separation.--Declaration of Independence
(emphasis added)

The use of the term laws of nature or natural
law in this sense goes back to Aristotle.

In science, a law refers to a statement of an
order or relation of phenomena that SO FAR AS IS
KNOWN is invariable under the given conditions
(emphasis added).

 It isn't. You violate the law of gravity every
 time you step on a plane or fly a kite.

Um, no, you don't. You simply take advantage of
*other* laws of nature.

 What humans
 in their hubris call laws are merely their spec-
 ulations about the nature of the forces of nature;
 they aren't laws.
 
 And they go even further afield in their hubris
 when they attempt to claim that the things that 
 they personally feel are moral or right are
 laws of nature. And they step into the world of
 the absurd when they claim that these theories of
 morality and proper behavior were dictated by
 God.

Barry obviously doesn't like the idea of anything
permanent or binding or fixed; it scares the
daylights out of him. It's perhaps the only
consistent theme that runs throughout his posts.
You might even say Barry's notion that there are
no inviolable laws is, in his mind, an inviolable
law, and anyone who presumes to violate it is
always WRONG.

As I've noted before, Barry has always had a
tendency to fall into infinite regress.




[FairfieldLife] Re: Melissa Etheridge on Rick Warren

2008-12-24 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wg...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
 
  I would suppose that this makes me
  a moral relativist.
 
 snip
 
  Billy puts his trust in *what he has been told by
  other people* about what is right and what is 
  wrong and then follows them blindly, as if the
  people who told him these things were right. I put 
  my trust only in what feels right to me.
 
 There are two reliable sources of information regarding right 
 and wrong, one IS scripture, but it can be wrong. 

As do.rflex pointed out with his Bible quotes,
it often IS wrong. Unless you feel comfortable
with offering up your own daughters as a sexual
favor; if you do feel comfortable with this, you 
have no problem with the Bible. :-)

More important, however, the whole *question* of
whether you believe that scripture is a reliable
source of information depends on whether you believe
that the so-called scripture was written by man or
dictated by God. Since I don't believe that any book
in human history has EVER been dictated by or written
by God, that puts scripture right out as a reliable
source of information for me, because it renders all
such scriptures as Just Opinions, written by human
beings as prone to error as I am. I'd rather just
trust my own intuition.

 The other is intuition (i.e. conscience) which is also a 
 reliable source. 

I would not equate intuition with conscience. Intuition
is much broader and covers a wider range of phenomena
and insights than conscience does.

 You have to balance the two...

You may feel that you have to balance the two. I 
completely reject one (scripture, unless it happens
to agree with my intuition) and rely on the other.

 ...and as you grow in spiritual receptivity your intuition 
 grows considerably and becomes more reliable until one is 
 naturally upheld and established in the 'home of all the 
 laws of nature', naturally.

You mean the way that all of these TMers who have
been arrested for various crimes became established
in the home of all the laws of nature? Or the way
that generations of celibate priests have abused the
women and children who trusted them? 

 Like enlightened dawn suggested, you are using old ideas 
 to make old arguments about outdated methodologies to 
 deal with lust anger and greed, in short, you're living 
 in the past...

Billy, with all due respect, you have this exactly
backwards. YOU are the one living in the past, 
slavishly following the advice of men long dead,
as written in their scriptures. I am merely
following my own intuition, and owe no obedience
to anyone's advice or guidelines from the past. 

As for having to deal with lust, that implies
that it's something negative, something that HAS
to be dealt with. I do not believe this. I believe
instead that sexual attraction is the most natural
thing in the world, and that there is nothing about
it that has to be dealt with to make it go away
or to bridle it, as you put it. 

Sure, I don't mess around with married women, or
with women who have some other committed relation-
ship with another person, but that is a personal
preference of mine based on my own intuition. If
some scripture told me that I *should* fool around
with married women (and the so-called scriptures
of India are just *full* of the gods fooling around
with the wives of the other gods), I *still* would
not do it. 

Similarly, I see no benefit to my own spirituality
in trying to deny impulses that are as natural as
breathing. In fact, I see (and have seen) many, many
instances of those who DO deny their own sexual
appetites and try to suppress them going downright
crazy, or becoming pedophiles or secret molesters.
So I think I'm pretty safe in assuming that if I
feel some attraction to an eligible female, and
she feels a similar attraction to me, it's fine
for both of us to pursue things.

You feel differently, and that is your right. I have
NO PROBLEM with you living your life the way 
you think best for yourself and your own evolution.
I only speak up when you attempt to suggest that your
version of right is right for everyone else. 
That's just religious bigotry and self importance,
and I don't suffer such things quietly. 

As I see it, the bottom line of your life and your
approach to it is that it is based on FEAR. You seem
to believe in these scriptures you hold as authorities
so firmly that you are trying to deny your own body's
natural impulses, because these authorities have
convinced you that these natural impulses are BAD, 
and that you should fear them. You are afraid of 
losing your energy by ejaculating, and you are 
afraid of sabotaging your enlightenment by doing 
something (having sex) that any number of enlightened 
people throughout the ages have done, and have had 
no problem with. And you actually seem to be trying 
to present this fear-based approach to life to us 
as if we should buy into it.

I just don't do fear, sorry. If 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Melissa Etheridge on Rick Warren

2008-12-24 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote:
snip
 Personally, I loathe the word morals or morality
 and prefer the more Buddhist terms ethics. Morality
 connotes something that has been codified by a trad-
 ition, be it social or religious, and passed along
 to others. Ethics comes from within.

Actually, these are Barry's *personal* definitions,
or perhaps his parroting of Buddhist teaching.

Morals and ethics are in fact synonymous in
common usage.

Nothing wrong with the distinction that Barry makes
concerning the source of one's sense of right and
wrong, but it has nothing to do with how the terms
morals and ethics are actually used in ordinary
discourse.




[FairfieldLife] Re: Edg, re: Trikke

2008-12-24 Thread Marek Reavis


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote:

**snip
 
 It's a fine thing that newbies can see this almost as clearly as oldies.
 But, let me praise your write-up for it's conceptual clarity.  Can I
 post this to the general trikking community and to the company?  It's
 good.


**snip to end

Edg, post whatever I write to whomever you want.  The nutshell summary
is that the Trikke is a marvelous mechanism and a great way to get a
low-impact, high-caloric workout that feels all fun rather than
exercise.  

And, as you point out, it's highly portable and available to enjoy on
a moment's notice.  I'm heading down to Davis later today to meet up
with my son, his wife and the ever-delightful granddaughter for the
holiday at my former spouse's home and I'm bringing the Trikke with me
for sure; Davis has lots and lots of bike paths and it's all flat.

More later, as news comes in.

Marek





[FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes' explanation on why people are gay

2008-12-24 Thread guyfawkes91
 And that the soul incarnates
 into bodies of both genders is also commonly understood. {Even the
 Hindu gods are found in the literature to have occasionally changed
 gender.]
 
The most interesting take on this one in Hindu/Vedic literature is a
story in the Yoga Vashista. A king and queen decide to get into
spiritual pursuits and the queen gets to UC pretty quick. The king
will have nothing of it and wanders off into the forest for a few
decades of austerities. A few decades later the queen reckons he might
be ready for some instruction, but knowing he won't listen to a woman,
she disguises herself as a celibate monk. After some detailed
instruction on what's what he gets enlightened, and then the queen
starts thinking, hold on this guy is my husband and we haven't had it
for years So she goes through a big rigmarole of changing sex every
night so the king can hump the celibate monk he's met in the forest,
while in UC. Real soap opera stuff and calculated to break the
boundaries of people who think in conventional ways about what's
spiritual.







[FairfieldLife] Re: Melissa Etheridge on Rick Warren

2008-12-24 Thread enlightened_dawn11
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... 
wrote:
-snip-
You violate the law of gravity every
 time you step on a plane or fly a kite. What humans
 in their hubris call laws are merely their spec-
 ulations about the nature of the forces of nature;
 they aren't laws.
 
-snip-

'You violate the law of gravity every time you step on a 
plane...'

you're kidding me, right? how do you think a plane gets airborne 
anyway, by using its anti-gravitational effect neutralizer, or 
something? lol.

an airplane flies because it adheres to the law of gravity. it is 
the shape of the cross section of the wing, an aitfoil, that allows 
the air to move faster across the underside of the wing than over 
the top, producing lift. no laws of gravity are violated. in fact it 
is the gravitational pull exerted on the atmosphere that even makes 
flight possible. 

i get your persona of always being 'the bad boy', but sometimes all 
you come across as is 'the dumb boy'.



[FairfieldLife] Re: Melissa Etheridge on Rick Warren

2008-12-24 Thread raunchydog
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote:
 
 All in all, I'd prefer to be known as the bad boy
 or the dumb boy.  :-)

If the foo shits...




[FairfieldLife] Classical Music for Christmas Eve

2008-12-24 Thread raunchydog
Beautiful: Mozart Violin Concerto No. 5 http://tinyurl.com/8konlx
Amazing: Heifetz plays Paganini Caprice No.24 http://tinyurl.com/7a8gwn

What are your favorites?




Re: [FairfieldLife] MUM slaying lawsuit goes to court in Jan

2008-12-24 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Dec 23, 2008, at 10:58 PM, Peter wrote:
 Why the powers-to-be at MUM are not settling this out of court is  
 beyond comprehension. MUM violated its own written procedures and  
 were grossly negligent. Just incomprehensible in sending a floridly  
 psychotic student who had previously attacked and injured a student  
 to sit with an untrained faculty member who then leaves him  
 unattended. And then when he finally finds him, he's mingling with  
 other students and this untrained faculty member simply observes  
 him? WTF? What, was everyone terrified of getting embarrassed or  
 something?

Probably.  Short of bribing the judge, it's tough  to see how
they can win.  So maybe they will settle at some point, although
I hope they don't, as I'd love to see them get their asses whipped
in court, it was such gross negligence.  Then again, maybe I'm
just a revenge-seeking lowlife. :)

Sal



[FairfieldLife] Re: Dick Cheney Thinks It's Okay to be Your Master

2008-12-24 Thread bettyblue109
lets see, our congress has bankrupted the social security fund and 
no one is accoutable for that.senators have protected fannie mae 
and freddi mac from regulation and now both Fannie and Freddie are in 
conservatorship and again no one is responsible...our senators 
have a pension and insurance for life that 99% of common folk do not 
havethey fly in private jets all over the world..above the 
lawabove any accountabilityabove all of humanity


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams 
willy...@... wrote:

 bettyblue wrote:
  The political class has been above the law for 
  a very long time..
  
 Let's see - Barak Obama and Joe Biden are both
 lawyers, right? And both of them are politicians,
 right? And they have been 'above the law' for a
 very long time? 
 
 This doesn't even make any sense.
 
 If anyone is in a political 'class' and has been
 a lawyer for a very long time, then I'd say it was
 Hillary Clinton - she's a lawyer, right?
 
 So, now you're thinking that Barak is going to
 roll back the Defense of Marriage Act, signed
 by her husband, Bill Clinton? 
 
 Yesterday we made the case for why Caroline 
 Kennedy should be Gov. David Paterson's pick for 
 the Senate seat being vacated early next year by 
 Hillary Rodham Clinton.
 
 Read more:
 
 'The Case Against Caroline Kennedy'
 Posted by Chris Cillizza
 Washington Post, December 22, 2008
 http://tinyurl.com/89ebrr





[FairfieldLife] Re: Melissa Etheridge on Rick Warren

2008-12-24 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote:
snip
 As a followup, t'would seem that Obama extending
 a proverbial hand across the aisle to Rick Warren
 has had the effect of causing him to temper his
 language about gays and backtrack to change his
 public stance. Cynics (and those who are more 
 attached to their own righteous anger and indig-
 nation and sense of superiority than they are
 actually changing the attitudes of people towards
 gays) may claim that this is all for show, and 
 that he doesn't really mean it. 
 
 So what? He's DOING it. He *has* tempered his lang-
 uage and his stance towards gays,

He's talking the talk, at least for current public
consumption, but is he walking the walk? Are
unrepentant gays now acceptable for membership
in his congregation, or are they still excluded?

Has his *stance* really changed, or has he merely
cleaned up his public utterances?

 and as a direct
 result of being *included* instead of being rejected
 as less than human by people who claim that they
 are doing so because he has referred in the past
 to gays as less than human.

Hmm, I haven't seen anyone reject Warren on the
grounds that he is less than human. For that
matter, I haven't seen any statement by Warren
referring to gays as less than human.

I strongly suspect that Barry made this up. Creating
straw-man arguments is standard with Barry because he
has such trouble thinking clearly enough to construct
valid ones.

 The HYPOCRISY of 
 those who wear their hatred of Rick Warren on their
 sleeves proudly because they claim he hates gays
 is just astounding.

Some would say it's Warren who's the hypocrite, first
of all.

Second, whether Warren hates gays is impossible to
know. In this case, his public stance has been very
consistent: It's hate the sin, love the sinner.
Whether hating homosexuality constitutes homophobia
depends on how one defines homophobia. There's no
question that acting on one's purported hatred of
homosexuality is exceedingly harmful to homosexuals.

snip
 Rick Warren's image change may be only for show.

(Otherwise known, of course, as hypocrisy: feigning
to be what one is not or to believe what one does not.
An image change for show is virtually the *definition*
of hypocrisy. And yet Barry charges those who point this
out as hypocrites.)

 But he is *making* an image change. His website has
 been scrubbed clean of anti-gay language. He is 
 going out of his way to scrub anti-gay hate behavior 
 from his life.

Is he scrubbing the behavior? Has he changed the
requirement for membership in his church?

Warren has gotten all kinds of credit for his work
against AIDS, especially in Africa. But those who
are inclined to support him on this account need to
better inform themselves.

A good start can be found in a blog post by Kathryn
Joyce. Excerpt:

Warren's undeserved reputation as a new-breed
'moderate' evangelical, with his benevolent AIDS
work in Africa supposed to negate his anti-gay
and anti-choice advocacy at home, rests on a
deeply flawed foundation. Warren's AIDS activism
is nearly as troubling as the rest of his ideology

The new faith-based arm of the AIDS movement Warren
had energized asked for, and got, a number of
obstacles to prevention services: a prohibition on
needle exchange programs for drug users; a ban family
planning services in Prevention of Mother to Child
Transmission clinics; and the anti-prostitution
loyalty oath, which required all groups receiving
PEPFAR [government] funding, including those that
work with sex workers, to condemn prostitution. As
with conscience clauses, Jacobson says, this
ideological interpretation of PEPFAR became a source
of U.S. funding that allows groups or organizations
to avoid having to provide prevention treatment or
care according to evidence-based criteria. 

http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/blog/2008/12/19/untold-consequences-
rick-warrens-aids-activism

http://tinyurl.com/5xkrzp

Although Warren does support some evidence-based
AIDS-prevention measures, there's a more sinister
motivation to his AIDS work in Africa. As he told
WorldNet Daily in an interview last year,
explaining why he doesn't object to supplying
condoms to prostitutes:

I want to keep them alive long enough that I can
win them to Christ. If they're dead, it's too late.
The good news is only good news if it gets there
in time.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.viewpageId=45039

http://tinyurl.com/7tfmj4

 Meanwhile, a couple of people on this forum have not
 changed *their* image one iota. They are still clinging 
 to their hatred of Rick Warren and being proud of it, 
 while decrying Barack Obama for coming up with an idea 
 that WORKED to reduce the amount of anti-gay hate speech 
 in the world. Fuckin' hypocrites.

As I think everyone here realizes, if raunchydog and I
were *supporting* Obama's choice of Warren to deliver
the inaugural invocation, Barry would be roundly
condeming it (and us). Virtually 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Melissa Etheridge on Rick Warren

2008-12-24 Thread raunchydog
Who Knew? The Gay Is the Rational One! BY TAYLOR MARSH 12.23.08
http://tinyurl.com/axabej Video: Mike Rogers on Hardball
http://tinyurl.com/7ex3jl

Not that he was planning to attend, but Barack Obama should know
that my sister's inauguration night party -- the one for which she was
preparing Obama Punch -- has been canceled. The notice went out over
the weekend, by e-mail and word of mouth, that Obama's choice of Rick
Warren to give the inaugural invocation had simply ruined the party.
Warren is anti-gay, and my sister, not to put too fine a point on it,
is not. She's gay. She is -- or was -- a committed Obama supporter.
[...] - Richard Cohen

Mike Rogers turned into Rick Warren's worst nightmare yesterday. He
presented himself and his community as what they are: a mature,
sensitive and intelligent constituency that is much more powerful than
some fringe group, which is how Warren wants them seen. Out of the
gate, Rogers makes the salient point that Warren has already scrubbed
the Saddleback website due to the heat they've gotten over Warren's
lack of sensitivity on civil rights, so it's already a victory for his
community. Rogers appeared tolerant and even reached out.

On the other hand, representing the religious side, Rev. Eugene Rivers
appeared strident, even shrill, as well as the intolerant, abusive,
divisive one in the debate, which was seen through his insulting
judgment of Obama's pick of Warren, which has hurt many more than just
the gay community, though they have owned this story, for which they
deserve a standing ovation. Contrary to Rivers' rhetoric, this is not
a pseudo controversy that has been fabricated by the
anti-religious left. Seriously, could this reverend be any more
condescending? Many black religious leaders across this country have
been responsible for promoting homophobia akin to Warren, so let me
just say that I'm not surprised. Their own culpability in ignoring the
AIDS epidemic has been reported time and again, costing the black
community dearly, which many were forced to admit publicly to their
shame. Rivers' response is something I've come to expect from
religious leaders representing organized institutions. Because I
find Warren completely unacceptable to give the invocation at a
Democratic presidential inaugural, I am automatically called the anti
religious left. Nothing could be further from the truth. But I've
been insulted before by Barack Obama's religious lectures, so it's
again not shocking that the defenders of his Warren decision would do
it as well.

The stridency of Reverend Rivers was startling. It's something you'd
expect from The Gay, right?

But Rogers really turned the table on Rivers when he suggested Warren
privately sit down with the leadership of the lesbian and gay
community. Doubting the importance of Warren sitting down with your
particular crew, slapped Rivers at the end of the interview, was a
perfect exclamation point on the divisive nature of Warren's
apologists, but also of the disrespect of religious leaders in this
country who are losing their grip on what it means to be Christian.

Oh, and one last thing. If you're going to take your lessons on this
matter from Melissa Ethridge, please check your criteria for being
informed. Ms. Ethridge didn't even know who Rick Warren was until he
was vaulted to the invocation spot at Obama's inaugural, something
that will stain the event for many of us. Segue to Feministing (h/t
april):

Dear Melissa and Tammy,

You were just hustled by a member of one of America's oldest
fraternities of snake-oil salesmen: the slick-talking preacher. I'm
sorry to have to tell you this, because it's clear that you both want
to sincerely move forward into a new era of change with a spirit of
openness, trust, and respect for the differences and disagreements
that inevitably divide any group of 300 million people. You want to
believe that Rick Warren really likes you, really likes gay people,
really wants peace and equal rights for everyone as much as you do.
I'm sorry — it's just not true. He acted as if he likes you. Maybe he
really does at some level. But that doesn't change his job, and part
of his job is to do things to hurt your family and families like
yours. [...]

That Obama would waste this capital on the likes of Warren in order to
reach the evangelical community not only shows Obama's arrogance in
ignoring a fundamental issue of Democratic politics, but his
willingness to insult the people who put him where he is today, and
I'm not just talking about The Gay.

Disallowing women's civil rights or that women can lead churches,
including becoming priests, inviting them into the national
conversation on television shows as well, is just another way people
like Warren and Rivers legitimize the patriarchal foundation of
organized religion, which simply must be re-envisioned for the 21st
century. It's why, as Rogers states, people like Warren and Rivers
will soon be in the minority in this country. Young 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Classical Music for Christmas Eve

2008-12-24 Thread Richard M
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote:

 Beautiful: Mozart Violin Concerto No. 5 http://tinyurl.com/8konlx
 Amazing: Heifetz plays Paganini Caprice No.24 http://tinyurl.com/7a8gwn
 
 What are your favorites?


In our household we have a morbid streak Raunchy, and we like to play
Mozart's Requiem - deep  gloomy for the darkest evening of the year* 

http://tinyurl.com/67u24f

* Well it would be the darkest evening if we celebrated it on the
right day!




[FairfieldLife] Re: Classical Music for Christmas Eve

2008-12-24 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... 
wrote:

 Beautiful: Mozart Violin Concerto No. 5 http://tinyurl.com/8konlx
 Amazing: Heifetz plays Paganini Caprice No.24 
http://tinyurl.com/7a8gwn
 
 What are your favorites?

Here's my current fave:

Bach, Chaconne from the Partita No. 2 in d minor

Performed by a violinist nobody's ever heard of
by the name of Ben Goldstein. This recording from
Wikipedia is the only one by Goldstein that exists;
he's never recorded it commercially.

Compared to many other performances, his is quite
rough-edged, almost brutal in spots, rather than
sweet and lyrical, but that's what the miraculous
Chaconne calls for, in my view. I believe he's
also using a period instrument and playing in
period style. It's a terrific performance, IMHO.

Curtis may recall that this is the piece violinist
Joshua Bell played first in his incognito concert
in the D.C. subway station.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Johann_Sebastian_Bach_-
_Chaconne_for_violin_alone.ogg

http://tinyurl.com/72zgj2

Note: Plays in Quicktime (audio only). You may have
to tell your browser to allow it to play. It's long--
about 13 minutes.

BTW, it's a free download if you go to the site that
hosts the file.




Re: [FairfieldLife] MUM slaying lawsuit goes to court in Jan

2008-12-24 Thread Peter



--- On Wed, 12/24/08, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@lisco.com wrote:

 From: Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@lisco.com
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] MUM slaying lawsuit goes to court in Jan
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Wednesday, December 24, 2008, 11:26 AM
 On Dec 23, 2008, at 10:58 PM, Peter wrote:
  Why the powers-to-be at MUM are not settling this out
 of court is  
  beyond comprehension. MUM violated its own written
 procedures and  
  were grossly negligent. Just incomprehensible in
 sending a floridly  
  psychotic student who had previously attacked and
 injured a student  
  to sit with an untrained faculty member who then
 leaves him  
  unattended. And then when he finally finds him,
 he's mingling with  
  other students and this untrained faculty member
 simply observes  
  him? WTF? What, was everyone terrified of getting
 embarrassed or  
  something?
 
 Probably.  Short of bribing the judge, it's tough  to
 see how
 they can win.  So maybe they will settle at some point,
 although
 I hope they don't, as I'd love to see them get
 their asses whipped
 in court, it was such gross negligence.  Then again, maybe
 I'm
 just a revenge-seeking lowlife. :)
 
 Sal

Sal, I'm the same way. Perhaps its a way to vent all the years of frustration 
because of having to surpress wise ass retorts to mood-making Capital staff and 
administration. So, it would be good to...yes..yes.. like this, like this. Its 
a great joy!





 
 
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Barack Obama, legal scholar

2008-12-24 Thread shempmcgurk
August 12, 2008  Barack Obama, Legal ScholarBy Ed Lasky
http://www.americanthinker.com/ed_lasky/
Barack Obama promises to accomplish quite a lot if he becomes our next
President. These promises are symbolized in his campaign themes: hope
and change. But just how likely is he to fulfill his own promise and the
promises he has made to the American people?

Judging by his previous career, not very likely. We have seen this movie
before in Barack Obama's life, and the end is not a happy one. In fact,
when you examine his career in its various dimension, it seems to be
marked disturbingly often by failure.
Faced with his failures, he tries to obscure the record; or else he
blames mistakes on staffers or other people.
The successes he uses as campaign tropes often turn out to be due to
the work of others for which he has claimed credit, or to be much less
significant than meets the eye. Fortunately, the spell seems to be
wearing off and the media has begun to scrutinize his career a bit more,
and it has been found wanting.
Far more serious scrutiny of Obama's professional track record is
necessary, for there is a danger when an unexamined candidate meets an
uninformed voter. In the case of Barack Obama, disheartening aspects
emerge when one pulls off the rose-colored glasses.
His career has three chapters: academia, community organizing, and
politics.
Today we begin where his national career first took off: Harvard Law
School and examine his legal career. Future articles will cover Senator
Obama's community organizing and his political career.
Harvard Law Review president
Barack Obama originally emerged on the national scene as the first
African-American president of the Harvard Law Review. This selection may
have been based
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/28/us/politics/28obama.html  on factors
that do not necessarily http://www.slate.com/id/2186324/#obamajstor 
reflect merit
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/03/us/politics/03affirmative.html , as
he himself recognizes.
He has refused to answer questions about his days at Harvard (such holes
in his life are a recurring feature). He was clearly a man of promise
given the historic step that was taken when he was appointed President
of the Law Review.
Has he fulfilled his promise as a legal scholar?
One thing he did not do while at the review was publish
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0608/11257_Page2.html  his own
work. The absence of a paper trail is a pattern throughout his academic
and to some extent his political career.
The pattern of leaving no intellectual footprints pre-dates Harvard. He
has claimed he lost his senior thesis
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/07/24/1219722.aspx  from
Columbia University, where he majored in political science. The thesis
was on Soviet nuclear disarmament. The depth of knowledge on display in
Barry Obama's undergraduate thesis is of particular interest because he
was wrong
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/015/149gq\
ohu.asp  about a crucial Kennedy-Khrushchev conference, and about the
diplomatic history between America and the Soviets.
How likely is it that someone would lose his senior thesis --
particularly someone who thought his life was compelling enough that he
would write an autobiography just a few years later?
Legal scholar
Indeed, he has left little in the way of a record for Americans to judge
his legal abilities. No written records, no signed legal papers, no
research papers authored or co-authored by him. Nothing.
This is especially surprising because he served as a senior lecturer and
law professor (there is some dispute over his title
http://bench.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZDQwZjhmZTExMGQ4OTJiZGRjNjllNDd\
kNTkxOTFlNmM= 
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0308/Obama_vindicated_on_lawschoo\
l_title.html ) at the University of Chicago Law School for twelve
years. He was certainly popular with his students, who were, like him,
young and enthusiastic. Liberals flocked to his classes and they give
him high marks as a professor.
But among his fellow faculty members, apparently the verdict was mixed.
He shied away from intellectual jousting that is otherwise the hallmark
of academia. Jodi Kantor of the New York Times portrayed
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/28/us/politics/28obama.html?_r=2oref=sl\
oginoref=slogin   his shortcomings as a colleague in an academic
community:
The Chicago law faculty is full of intellectually fiery friendships that
burn across ideological lines. Three times a week, professors do combat
over lunch at a special round table in the university's faculty club,
and they share and defend their research in workshop discussions. Mr.
Obama rarely attended, even when he was in town.
I'm not sure he was close to anyone, Mr. Hutchinson said, except for a
few liberal constitutional law professors, like Cass Sunstein, now an
occasional adviser to his campaign. Mr. Obama was working two other
jobs, after all, in the State Senate and at a civil rights law firm.

Re: [FairfieldLife] MUM slaying lawsuit goes to court in Jan

2008-12-24 Thread Sal Sunshine

On Dec 24, 2008, at 12:28 PM, Peter wrote:

--- On Wed, 12/24/08, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@lisco.com wrote:


From: Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@lisco.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] MUM slaying lawsuit goes to court in Jan
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, December 24, 2008, 11:26 AM
On Dec 23, 2008, at 10:58 PM, Peter wrote:

Why the powers-to-be at MUM are not settling this out

of court is

beyond comprehension. MUM violated its own written

procedures and

were grossly negligent. Just incomprehensible in

sending a floridly

psychotic student who had previously attacked and

injured a student

to sit with an untrained faculty member who then

leaves him

unattended. And then when he finally finds him,

he's mingling with

other students and this untrained faculty member

simply observes

him? WTF? What, was everyone terrified of getting

embarrassed or

something?


Probably.  Short of bribing the judge, it's tough  to
see how
they can win.  So maybe they will settle at some point,
although
I hope they don't, as I'd love to see them get
their asses whipped
in court, it was such gross negligence.  Then again, maybe
I'm
just a revenge-seeking lowlife. :)

Sal


Sal, I'm the same way. Perhaps its a way to vent all the years of  
frustration because of having to surpress wise ass retorts to mood- 
making Capital staff and administration. So, it would be good  
to...yes..yes.. like this, like this. Its a great joy!


No doubt.  Not to mention that, at least on the surface, the negligence
looks so thick  you could cut it.  Will be interesting to see what  
happens.

Any bets on them settling before or during trial?

Sal



[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM slaying lawsuit goes to court in Jan

2008-12-24 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... 
wrote:


[snip]

 Probably.  Short of bribing the judge, it's tough  to see how
 they can win.  So maybe they will settle at some point, although
 I hope they don't, as I'd love to see them get their asses whipped
 in court, it was such gross negligence.  Then again, maybe I'm
 just a revenge-seeking lowlife. :)
 
 Sal


You're half right.




Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM slaying lawsuit goes to court in Jan

2008-12-24 Thread Sal Sunshine

On Dec 24, 2008, at 12:37 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@...
wrote:


[snip]


Probably.  Short of bribing the judge, it's tough  to see how
they can win.  So maybe they will settle at some point, although
I hope they don't, as I'd love to see them get their asses whipped
in court, it was such gross negligence.  Then again, maybe I'm
just a revenge-seeking lowlife. :)

Sal



You're half right.


LOL!

Sal



[FairfieldLife] How Al Franken will win...

2008-12-24 Thread shempmcgurk
ONE PLUS ONE EQUALS 20 EXTRA VOTES FOR FRANKEN

December 17, 2008

It's bad enough that the Republican Party can't prevent Democrats 
from voting in its primaries and saddling us with The New York Times' 
favorite Republican as our presidential nominee. If the Republican 
Party can't protect an election won by the incumbent U.S. senator in 
Minnesota, there is no point in donating to the Republican Party. 

The day after the November election, Republican Sen. Norm Coleman had 
won his re-election to the U.S. Senate, beating challenger Al Franken 
by 725 votes. 

Then one heavily Democratic town miraculously discovered 100 missing 
ballots. And, in another marvel, they were all for Al Franken! It was 
like a completely evil version of a Christmas miracle. 

As strange as it was that all 100 post-election, discovered ballots 
would be for one candidate, it was even stranger that the official 
time stamp for the miracle ballots printed out by the voting machine 
on the miracle ballots showed that the votes had been cast on Nov. 2 -
- two days before the election. 

Democratic election officials in the miracle-ballot county simply 
announced that their voting machine must have been broken. Don't 
worry about it -- they were sure those 100 votes for Franken were 
legit. 

Then another 400-odd statistically improbable corrections were made 
in other Democratic strongholds until -- by the end of election week -
- Coleman's lead had been whittled down to a mere 215 votes. 

Since then, highly irregular counting methods have added to Franken's 
total bit by bit, to the point that Coleman is now ahead by only 188 
votes. 

As long as Coleman maintains any lead at all, Republicans don't seem 
to care that Coleman's advantage is being shrunk by laughable 
ballot discoveries and disreputable standard-switching from 
precinct to precinct -- depending on which method of counting ballots 
is most advantageous to Franken. 

Consider a few other chilling examples of Democrats thieving their 
way to victory over the years. 

In 1974, Republican Louis Wyman won his race for U.S. Senate in New 
Hampshire, beating Democrat John Durkin by 355 votes. Durkin demanded 
a recount -- which went back and forth by a handful of votes until 
the state's Ballot Law Commission concluded that Wyman had indeed won 
by (at least) two votes. 

Wyman was certified the winner by the New Hampshire secretary of 
state and was on his way to Washington when ... the overwhelmingly 
Democratic U.S. Senate refused to seat Wyman. 

Despite New Hampshire's certification of Wyman as the winner of the 
election, this was the post-Watergate Senate, when Democrats could 
get away with anything -- up to and including a prank known 
as President Jimmy Carter. 

The U.S. Senate spent months examining disputed ballots from the New 
Hampshire election. Unable to come up with a method to declare the 
Democrat the winner that didn't require a guillotine, the Senate 
forced New Hampshire to hold another election. 

It was a breathtaking abuse of power. New Hampshire had certified a 
winner of its Senate election, but it was a Republican, so the 
Democratic Senate simply ordered a new election. 

Demoralized Republicans stayed away from the race and, this time, the 
Democrat won the re-vote. 

Even more egregious was the Indiana House race in 1984. On election 
night, the incumbent Democrat Frank McCloskey appeared to have won a 
narrow victory of 72 votes. But after a correction was made in one 
county, it turned out his Republican opponent, Richard McIntyre, had 
won by 34 votes. 

McIntyre was certified the winner -- which is when the trouble 
usually starts for a Republican. 

Again, a majority Democrat House refused to seat the certified winner 
in a close election. I'm sure it was just a coincidence that the 
winner was a Republican. 

Consequently, Indiana performed yet another recount of the entire 
district, which again showed that Republican McIntyre was the winner -
- this time by 418 votes. Now he was really asking for it. The nerve 
of this guy! Hey, buddy, do you mind? We're trying to throw an 
election over here! 

As The Washington Post reported at the time: There were no 
allegations of fraud in the recount and 90 percent of ballot 
disqualifications had been agreed to by election commissions 
dominated by Democrats. 

So naturally the House refused to seat the Republican even though he 
had received the most votes (hereinafter referred to as the 
winner). The House proceeded to conduct its own recount. (If you 
haven't detected a pattern by this point, please ask your doctor if 
Prilosec is right for you.) 

This time, instead of ordering the district to hold another election, 
the Democratic House saved all concerned a lot of time and money by 
simply declaring Democrat Frank McCloskey the winner by four votes. 

The vote-theft most like Minnesota this year was the infamous 2004 
gubernatorial election in Washington State. The Republican won the 

[FairfieldLife] Poll: 82% Like How Obama Is Handling Transition

2008-12-24 Thread do.rflex


...Eighty-two percent of those questioned in a new CNN/Opinion
Research Corporation poll released Wednesday morning approve of the
way the Obama is handling his presidential transition. That's up 3
points from when we asked this question at the beginning of December.
Fifteen percent of those surveyed disapprove of the way Obama's
handling his transition, down 3 points from our last poll.

The 82 percent approval is higher than then President-elect George W.
Bush 8 years ago, who had a 65 percent transition approval rating, and
Bill Clinton, at 67 percent in 1992.

Barack Obama is having a better honeymoon with the American public
than any incoming president in the past three decades. He's putting up
better numbers, usually by double digits, than Bill Clinton, Ronald
Reagan, or either George Bush on every item traditionally measured in
transition polls, says CNN Polling Director Keating Holland.

The poll also suggests that the public approves of the
President-elect's cabinet nominees, with 56 percent of those
questioned saying Obama's appointments have been outstanding or above
average, with 32 percent feeling the picks have been average, and 11
percent saying Obama's choices have been below average or poor.

That 56 percent figure is 18 points higher than those who said then
President-elect Bush's cabinet appointments were outstanding or above
average and 26 points higher than those who felt the same way about
then President-elect Clinton's nominees.

Obama walks in with nearly twice the support on the economy that
President-elect Clinton had in January, 1993, and he beats Ronald
Reagan as well, adds Holland.

A third say that their impression of Obama has gotten better since the
election, with only 8 percent saying their opinion has gotten worse.

Presidents usually start to lose support once they assume office and
start making the tough decisions. But with eight in ten currently
approving of Obama, he can give away 20 or 30 points, estimates
Holland, and still have a majority of the country on his side...

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/12/24/cnn-poll-obama-transition-draws-approval-of-4-in-5-americans/

http://snipurl.com/92z0y








[FairfieldLife] Re: Who done it (?)

2008-12-24 Thread dhamiltony2k5
Doc, is interesting insight what you write here.

Like, what you think those inside TM PR guys were thinking when they 
were doctoring those prominent news articles about TM and the TM-
movement, for their re-publishing.  Crafted the look of the 
original.  Methodically made them more 'positive'.  Took some time 
and smarts to do.

Were they without, conscience?

These are people, you'd trust?

Would these guys be doing the wrong kind of meditation for them?

What were they thinking?

Refer to these for instance,
paste
Sanitizing the Fairfield Story
TMO editing PR (NYTimes article):
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/79381

TMO editing PR  (Washington Post article)
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/123447

TMo editing Invincibility America
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/122911





--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutp...@... 
wrote:


 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/202226
 
 --- On Thu, 12/18/08, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:
 From: Vaj vajradh...@...
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Who done it (?)
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Thursday, December 18, 2008, 9:15 PM
 
 
 
 
 
 On Dec 18, 2008, at 4:45 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:
 Surely you have met evil people who see no desire to change?  
 Why have compassion if they don't want it?  
 
 Like love, compassion isn't ABOUT the person it
 is directed to and whether they deserve or want
 it; it's about what the person who feels it is 
 feeling.
 
 Chogyam Trungpa had a name for the type of compassion where well 
meaning people try to be compassionate and actually end up making 
things worse, he called it stupid compassion.
 The problem with most sociopaths is that they don't have much 
compassion for others or for themselves. Even in people with 
Borderline Personality Disorder, it's next to impossible to get the 
person to believe they have issues--let alone BPD. And if the 
therapist screws up in the way they lead the patient to that 
realization, then the patient blasts the therapist and withdraws into 
their defenses or leaves the therapeutic relationship--or sues them.
 Ideally what might work for Sociopaths is a form of Mindfulness 
meditation, since that tends to re-weave the prefrontal cortex and 
the social circuitry of the brain. There is some work being done on 
this by the leading expert on attachment disorders. The hard part 
would be getting a sociopath to believe they needed meditation in the 
first place--you'd almost, I'd guess, have to appeal to their own 
selfish need for benefits. Then--maybe--you could segue to a type of 
practice, like tonglen--where you work on taking the view of the 
other, which seems to be precisely what the sociopath is missing. 
They don't grok or even have the circuitry to grok how to 'walk a 
mile in another's shoes'.
 But those would all be big ifs.
 In the real world, the rules of triage apply: help the ones who 
need it most and can be successful. I doubt that in a real world the 
sociopaths show up in psychologists offices asking for help, again, 
unless it's a very selfish motive.
 .02 USD 


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Classical Music for Christmas Eve

2008-12-24 Thread Richard M
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ 
 wrote:
 
  Beautiful: Mozart Violin Concerto No. 5 http://tinyurl.com/8konlx
  Amazing: Heifetz plays Paganini Caprice No.24 
 http://tinyurl.com/7a8gwn
  
  What are your favorites?
 
 Here's my current fave:
 
 Bach, Chaconne from the Partita No. 2 in d minor
 
 Performed by a violinist nobody's ever heard of
 by the name of Ben Goldstein. This recording from
 Wikipedia is the only one by Goldstein that exists;
 he's never recorded it commercially.
 
 Compared to many other performances, his is quite
 rough-edged, almost brutal in spots, rather than
 sweet and lyrical, but that's what the miraculous
 Chaconne calls for, in my view. I believe he's
 also using a period instrument and playing in
 period style. It's a terrific performance, IMHO.
 
 Curtis may recall that this is the piece violinist
 Joshua Bell played first in his incognito concert
 in the D.C. subway station.
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Johann_Sebastian_Bach_-
 _Chaconne_for_violin_alone.ogg
 
 http://tinyurl.com/72zgj2
 
 Note: Plays in Quicktime (audio only). You may have
 to tell your browser to allow it to play. It's long--
 about 13 minutes.
 
 BTW, it's a free download if you go to the site that
 hosts the file.


That is stunning. Me, I'm a bit of a guitar freak. Do you like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1pxymGOWDo

(John Williams is astonishingly 'accurate', and so he's great for Bach.)

My favourite Bach piece is this fugue in A minor (on guitar of course.
 by Julian Bream my fave):

http://tinyurl.com/7tg7u7

 


 





[FairfieldLife] Maitreya to appear on American TV

2008-12-24 Thread I am the eternal
As prophesied, Maitreya will appear on American TV within the next few
weeks on the Fox Network series House.  Don't want to give away the
plot, which as usual has it's well known twists and turns in
diagnosing Maitreya's condition.


Re: [FairfieldLife] Charlie Lutes' explanation on why people are gay

2008-12-24 Thread gullible fool


 
Not what Charlie told me. He said in a lecture I was at that men were gay 
because they were supposed to incarnate as a woman and insisted on being a man.
 
A friend in ff once told me he also denied ever saying get on the round ones, 
don't get on the cigar-shaped ones!, but he clearly said that in one of the 
two of his lectures I was at.
 
Love will swallow you, eat you up completely, until there is no `you,' only 
love. 
 
- Amma  

--- On Wed, 12/24/08, do.rflex do.rf...@yahoo.com wrote:

From: do.rflex do.rf...@yahoo.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Charlie Lutes' explanation on why people are gay
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, December 24, 2008, 7:57 AM

In my years of working for Charlie he was occasionally asked why
people are gay. And while Charlie was a bit of a homophobe himself, he
made it clear that the soul is without gender and incarnates into the
world of polarities via either a male or female body. 

He also added that in order to fathom the range of human experience
and to learn the 'lessons of life' as he put it, the soul often
changes the gender of the body it uses for this to happen. 

He made it clear that when this change happens, the person who was
previously, for example, a man, may now have the body of a woman but
can and often does retain the desires of the man they were - and
vice-versa. ---

This isn't something limited to the views of Charlie. That the soul is
without gender is a common understanding. And that the soul incarnates
into bodies of both genders is also commonly understood. {Even the
Hindu gods are found in the literature to have occasionally changed
gender.]

That people retain their desires from a previous gender is no
surprise, and neither is it a 'sin' worthy of death as Billy G and
other homophobic bigots are eager to proclaim.
---

You have taken on the human form to gain Divine Mind through
knowledge and experience in the field of combined opposites.

~~  Charlie Lutes








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[FairfieldLife] spirituality spot found in brain

2008-12-24 Thread min.pige
Spirituality Spot Found in Brain

By Robin Nixon
Special to LiveScience
LiveScience.com robin Nixon
special To Livescience
livescience.com †Wed Dec 24, 9:19 am ET

What makes us feel spiritual? It could be the quieting of a small area
in our brains, a new study suggests.

The area in question - the right parietal lobe - is responsible for
defining Me, said researcher Brick Johnstone of Missouri University.
It generates self-criticism, he said, and guides us through physical
and social terrains by constantly updating our self-knowledge: my
hand, my cocktail, my witty conversation skills, my new love interest ...

People with less active Me-Definers are more likely to lead spiritual
lives, reports the study in the current issue of the journal Zygon.

Most previous research on neuro-spirituality has been based on brain
scans of actively practicing adherents (i.e. meditating monks, praying
nuns) and has resulted in broad and inconclusive findings. (Is the
brain area lighting up in response to verse or spiritual experience?)

So Johnstone and colleague Bret Glass turned to the tried-and-true
techniques of neuroscience's early days - studying brain-injured
patients. The researchers tested brain regions implicated in the
previous imaging studies with exams tailored to each area's expertise
- similar to studying the prowess of an ear with a hearing test. They
then looked for correlations between brain region performance and the
subjects' self-reported spirituality.

Among the more spiritual of the 26 subjects, the researchers
pinpointed a less functional right parietal lobe, a physical state
which may translate psychologically as decreased self-awareness and
self-focus.

The finding suggests that one core tenant of spiritual experience is
selflessness, said Johnstone, adding that he hopes the study will
help people think about spirituality in more specific ways.

Spiritual outlooks have long been associated with better mental and
physical health. These benefits, Johnstone speculated, may stem from
being focused less on one's self and more on others - a natural
consequence of turning down the volume on the Me-Definer.

In addition to religious practices, other behaviors and experiences
are known to hush the Definer of Me. Appreciation of art or nature can
quiet it, Johnstone said, pointing out that people talk of losing
themselves in a particularly beautiful song. Love, and even charity
work, can also soften the boundaries of Me, he said.

The greatest silencing of the Me-Definer likely happens in the deepest
states of meditation or prayer, said Johnstone, when practitioners
describe feeling seamless with the entire universe.
That is, the highest point of spiritual experience occurs when Me
completely loses its definition.

If you look in the Torah, the Old Testament, the New Testament, in
the Koran, a lot of Sufi writings, Buddhist writings, and Hindu
writings, they all talk about selflessness, said Johnstone.

We may be finding the neurological underpinnings of these writings, he
said.



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Melissa Etheridge on Rick Warren

2008-12-24 Thread I am the eternal
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 4:35 AM, TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote:
 So what? He's DOING it. He *has* tempered his lang-
 uage and his stance towards gays, and as a direct
 result of being *included* instead of being rejected
 as less than human by people who claim that they
 are doing so because he has referred in the past
 to gays as less than human.

Here, here.  Obama has done what Jesus would have done, IMO.


[FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes' explanation on why people are gay

2008-12-24 Thread do.rflex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool ffl...@... wrote:

 
 
  
 Not what Charlie told me. He said in a lecture I was at that men
were gay because they were supposed to incarnate as a woman and
insisted on being a man.
  
 A friend in ff once told me he also denied ever saying get on the
round ones, don't get on the cigar-shaped ones!, but he clearly said
that in one of the two of his lectures I was at.


It's clear that apart from what Charlie has said that it's a common
understanding that on the evolutionary path the genderless soul uses
bodies of both male and female. It's no stretch to assume that
shifting from one to another can be accompanied by desires from the
previous gender. In any case, to consider it somehow evil and
deserving of death when it happens is ridiculous. Apparently,
[depending on the sources], around 2% to 7% of the population is gay -
a substantial number of human beings.









Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes' explanation on why people are gay

2008-12-24 Thread gullible fool


 
An interesting factoid to add is the Ramtha followers believe a soul incarnates 
into the same gender pretty much exclusively. The very few who cross over into 
the opposite gender when they should not be doing such an abhorrent thing are 
called crossovers and looked at with disdain. 

Love will swallow you, eat you up completely, until there is no `you,' only 
love. 
 
- Amma  

--- On Wed, 12/24/08, do.rflex do.rf...@yahoo.com wrote:

From: do.rflex do.rf...@yahoo.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes' explanation on why people are gay
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, December 24, 2008, 2:31 PM

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool ffl...@... wrote:

 
 
  
 Not what Charlie told me. He said in a lecture I was at that men
were gay because they were supposed to incarnate as a woman and
insisted on being a man.
  
 A friend in ff once told me he also denied ever saying get on the
round ones, don't get on the cigar-shaped ones!, but he clearly said
that in one of the two of his lectures I was at.


It's clear that apart from what Charlie has said that it's a common
understanding that on the evolutionary path the genderless soul uses
bodies of both male and female. It's no stretch to assume that
shifting from one to another can be accompanied by desires from the
previous gender. In any case, to consider it somehow evil and
deserving of death when it happens is ridiculous. Apparently,
[depending on the sources], around 2% to 7% of the population is gay -
a substantial number of human beings.










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[FairfieldLife] Re: Classical Music for Christmas Eve

2008-12-24 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard M compost...@... 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ 
  wrote:
  
   Beautiful: Mozart Violin Concerto No. 5 
http://tinyurl.com/8konlx
   Amazing: Heifetz plays Paganini Caprice No.24 
  http://tinyurl.com/7a8gwn
   
   What are your favorites?
  
  Here's my current fave:
  
  Bach, Chaconne from the Partita No. 2 in d minor
  
  Performed by a violinist nobody's ever heard of
  by the name of Ben Goldstein. This recording from
  Wikipedia is the only one by Goldstein that exists;
  he's never recorded it commercially.
  
  Compared to many other performances, his is quite
  rough-edged, almost brutal in spots, rather than
  sweet and lyrical, but that's what the miraculous
  Chaconne calls for, in my view. I believe he's
  also using a period instrument and playing in
  period style. It's a terrific performance, IMHO.
  
  Curtis may recall that this is the piece violinist
  Joshua Bell played first in his incognito concert
  in the D.C. subway station.
  
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Johann_Sebastian_Bach_-
  _Chaconne_for_violin_alone.ogg
  
  http://tinyurl.com/72zgj2
  
  Note: Plays in Quicktime (audio only). You may have
  to tell your browser to allow it to play. It's long--
  about 13 minutes.
  
  BTW, it's a free download if you go to the site that
  hosts the file.
 
 
 That is stunning. Me, I'm a bit of a guitar freak.
 Do you like this?
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1pxymGOWDo

Ooh, yes, I sure do. He does a beautiful job,
clear as crystal and yet deeply expressive.

Ack! Too bad it gets cut off near the end. The
poster should try to put the whole thing up in
two parts.

If I had to choose which to take to a desert
island, I'd go with the violin version, though.
There's a kind of almost harshness to all the
double-stopping (I think that's what it's called)
that conveys some of the pain Bach felt at the 
death of his first wife, in whose memory the
Partita was supposedly written. I think that
comes across more plainly on the violin, maybe
because it's much harder to do, since you've
got only one bow, as opposed to five fingers!

 (John Williams is astonishingly 'accurate', and so
 he's great for Bach.)

Absolutely. You've got to have both depth of 
technique and depth of heart.
 
 My favourite Bach piece is this fugue in A minor
 (on guitar of course.  by Julian Bream my fave):
 
 http://tinyurl.com/7tg7u7

Brilliant. This and the Chaconne are almost
companion pieces; they have the same feeling
somehow, although the fugue isn't as heavy.
Really gorgeous performance.

Anybody who thinks Bach's music is passionless
and dull hasn't ever heard it played well.

Brahms wrote of the Chaconne:

If I imagined that I could have created, even
conceived the piece, I am quite certain that the
excess of excitement and earth-shattering
experience would have driven me out of my mind.

Lewis Thomas explained how the people of this 
planet should communicate with the universe: I
would vote for Bach, all of Bach, streamed out
into space, over and over again. We would be
bragging, of course, but it is surely excusable
to put the best possible face on at the
beginning of such an acquaintance.




[FairfieldLife] Re: Melissa Etheridge on Rick Warren

2008-12-24 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal 
l.shad...@... wrote:

 On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 4:35 AM, TurquoiseB 
no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
  So what? He's DOING it. He *has* tempered his lang-
  uage and his stance towards gays, and as a direct
  result of being *included* instead of being rejected
  as less than human by people who claim that they
  are doing so because he has referred in the past
  to gays as less than human.
 
 Here, here.  Obama has done what Jesus would have done, IMO.

Actually, I think Jesus would have invited an openly
gay person to deliver the invocation.




[FairfieldLife] Re: Melissa Etheridge on Rick Warren

2008-12-24 Thread BillyG.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@
  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
 wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wgm4u@ wrote:

 But it's not the 'wrath of God' that brings on this 
 destruction, it's violation of the natural laws of nature 
 made by God, we have freewill to either obey these laws or 
 suffer as a result of our ignorance of these laws or outright 
 defiance of these laws, 

We have free will, period. BTW, the laws of nature
you believe in are fiction, too.  :-)

   snip,
   I find that ignoring the law of gravity can be troublesome at 
 times.
   some of the laws of nature seem pretty real to me or am I missing
   something here?  N.
  
  Nelson, I was just poking a little good-natured
  fun at Billy because he was extending the concept
  of the laws of nature to say that he considered
  things like unbridled sexuality, homosexuality, 
  and lust to be against them.
  
  My point was that the word law is inappropriate.
  Take your example of gravity, for example. So far,
  as far as I know, no scientist has fully explained
  this *force* of nature. When they finally come up
  with a theory that seems to cover all the bases,
  in their hubris they'll proclaim their theory to
  be a law of nature.
 
 Barry's reasoning here is confused in a number of
 different ways. First, he tries to put Billy down
 by declaring his use of the term laws of nature
 is somehow an unwarranted extension. But then he
 goes on to declare that *science's* use of the term
 is inappropriate as well.
 
 He seems to think that the only correct usage of the
 word law is the *legal* sense.
 
 He's wrong on all three counts.
 
 In fact, of course, Billy's usage isn't something
 *he* extended:
 
 When in the Course of human events, it becomes
 necessary for one people to dissolve the political
 bands which have connected them with another, and
 to assume among the powers of the earth, the
 separate and equal station to which the LAWS OF
 NATURE and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent
 respect to the opinions of mankind requires that
 they should declare the causes which impel them to
 the separation.--Declaration of Independence
 (emphasis added)
 
 The use of the term laws of nature or natural
 law in this sense goes back to Aristotle.
 
 In science, a law refers to a statement of an
 order or relation of phenomena that SO FAR AS IS
 KNOWN is invariable under the given conditions
 (emphasis added).
 
  It isn't. You violate the law of gravity every
  time you step on a plane or fly a kite.
 
 Um, no, you don't. You simply take advantage of
 *other* laws of nature.
 
  What humans
  in their hubris call laws are merely their spec-
  ulations about the nature of the forces of nature;
  they aren't laws.
  
  And they go even further afield in their hubris
  when they attempt to claim that the things that 
  they personally feel are moral or right are
  laws of nature. And they step into the world of
  the absurd when they claim that these theories of
  morality and proper behavior were dictated by
  God.
 
 Barry obviously doesn't like the idea of anything
 permanent or binding or fixed; it scares the
 daylights out of him. It's perhaps the only
 consistent theme that runs throughout his posts.
 You might even say Barry's notion that there are
 no inviolable laws is, in his mind, an inviolable
 law, and anyone who presumes to violate it is
 always WRONG.
 
 As I've noted before, Barry has always had a
 tendency to fall into infinite regress.

You should be charging him for your psycho-analysis!



[FairfieldLife] Re: Melissa Etheridge on Rick Warren

2008-12-24 Thread BillyG.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11
no_re...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
 wrote:
 -snip-
 You violate the law of gravity every
  time you step on a plane or fly a kite. What humans
  in their hubris call laws are merely their spec-
  ulations about the nature of the forces of nature;
  they aren't laws.
  
 -snip-
 
 'You violate the law of gravity every time you step on a 
 plane...'
 
 you're kidding me, right? how do you think a plane gets airborne 
 anyway, by using its anti-gravitational effect neutralizer, or 
 something? lol.
 
 an airplane flies because it adheres to the law of gravity. it is 
 the shape of the cross section of the wing, an aitfoil, that allows 
 the air to move faster across the underside of the wing than over 
 the top, producing lift. no laws of gravity are violated. in fact it 
 is the gravitational pull exerted on the atmosphere that even makes 
 flight possible. 
 
 i get your persona of always being 'the bad boy', but sometimes all 
 you come across as is 'the dumb boy'.

Brevity is the soul of witha, ha!



[FairfieldLife] Re: Maitreya to appear on American TV

2008-12-24 Thread Alex Stanley
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal
l.shad...@... wrote:

 As prophesied, Maitreya will appear on American TV within the next few
 weeks on the Fox Network series House.  Don't want to give away the
 plot, which as usual has it's well known twists and turns in
 diagnosing Maitreya's condition.

OMG!!! Maitreya has lupus!!!



Re: [FairfieldLife] Maitreya to appear on American TV

2008-12-24 Thread gullible fool



 
I don't watch that show, though. Bummer. I'll try to remember to catch the 
highlights on CNN or Nightline that night. 
 
Love will swallow you, eat you up completely, until there is no `you,' only 
love. 
 
- Amma  

--- On Wed, 12/24/08, I am the eternal l.shad...@gmail.com wrote:

From: I am the eternal l.shad...@gmail.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Maitreya to appear on American TV
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, December 24, 2008, 2:06 PM

As prophesied, Maitreya will appear on American TV within the next few
weeks on the Fox Network series House.  Don't want to give away the
plot, which as usual has it's well known twists and turns in
diagnosing Maitreya's condition.



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[FairfieldLife] Re: Classical Music for Christmas Eve

2008-12-24 Thread raunchydog
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:

   Bach, Chaconne from the Partita No. 2 in d minor
   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Johann_Sebastian_Bach_-
   _Chaconne_for_violin_alone.ogg
   http://tinyurl.com/72zgj2
  That is stunning. Me, I'm a bit of a guitar freak.
  Do you like this?
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1pxymGOWDo 
  My favourite Bach piece is this fugue in A minor
  (on guitar of course.  by Julian Bream my fave):
  http://tinyurl.com/7tg7u7

Beautiful.
My sister is music director for the Metro East Community Chorale for
the St. Louis/Southwestern Illinois area. My mother and I drove from
Fairfield to visit her this weekend for their annual Christmas
performance. Jan Pieterszoon Sweelinck 'Hodie Christus Natus Est was
the most complex piece they sang http://tinyurl.com/8lo56x My family
if very proud of her professional accomplishments and dedication to
making beautiful music. We both had piano lessons when we were kids.
Roz was more introverted and practiced constantly. I learned to read
music but I gave it up after I became passionate about playing tennis.



[FairfieldLife] Re: Melissa Etheridge on Rick Warren

2008-12-24 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal 
 L.Shaddai@ wrote:
 
  On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 4:35 AM, TurquoiseB 
 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
wrote:
   So what? He's DOING it. He *has* tempered his lang-
   uage and his stance towards gays, and as a direct
   result of being *included* instead of being rejected
   as less than human by people who claim that they
   are doing so because he has referred in the past
   to gays as less than human.
  
  Here, here.  Obama has done what Jesus would have done, IMO.
 
 Actually, I think Jesus would have invited an openly
 gay person to deliver the invocation.


How about an openly polygamous person?

Seeing as polygamy was quite the norm back then, any possibility that 
you would think that Jesus would have invited such a person to give 
the invocation?  After all, they are persecuted just as gays are...

Or...how about an openly gay polygamous person?  That is, a male 
homosexual that keeps 6 males as concubines?  He'd make quite a treat 
as the gay to deliver the invocation, doncha think?

What would Jesus say about polygamous gay civil unions?  Wouldn't you 
think, Judy, that Jesus would be first in line to bless such unions 
and sanction them?  After all, you are being so politically correct 
why not extend the good cheer on this, the eve of Jesus' birthday?




[FairfieldLife] Re: Melissa Etheridge on Rick Warren

2008-12-24 Thread BillyG.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcg...@...
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal 
  L.Shaddai@ wrote:
  
   On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 4:35 AM, TurquoiseB 
  no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
 wrote:
So what? He's DOING it. He *has* tempered his lang-
uage and his stance towards gays, and as a direct
result of being *included* instead of being rejected
as less than human by people who claim that they
are doing so because he has referred in the past
to gays as less than human.
   
   Here, here.  Obama has done what Jesus would have done, IMO.
  
  Actually, I think Jesus would have invited an openly
  gay person to deliver the invocation.
 
 
 How about an openly polygamous person?
 
 Seeing as polygamy was quite the norm back then, any possibility that 
 you would think that Jesus would have invited such a person to give 
 the invocation?  After all, they are persecuted just as gays are...
 
 Or...how about an openly gay polygamous person?  That is, a male 
 homosexual that keeps 6 males as concubines?  He'd make quite a treat 
 as the gay to deliver the invocation, doncha think?
 
 What would Jesus say about polygamous gay civil unions?  Wouldn't you 
 think, Judy, that Jesus would be first in line to bless such unions 
 and sanction them?  After all, you are being so politically correct 
 why not extend the good cheer on this, the eve of Jesus' birthday?

Crackin' up here..ha, ha!,  'er Ho, Ho!



[FairfieldLife] Bongo Brazil's up-to-date latent homosexual closeted Republicans bucket list

2008-12-24 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@
 wrote:
 
  Homophobia... isn't that the fear of getting caught using your 
  imagination in a way that could get you branded odd? 
 
 
 I'd say that's a common reason. Also, studies have shown that
 gay-bashing homophobes are often found to be latent homosexuals
 themselves. They overcompensate and attempt to hide it by attacking
 gays because they're terrified of their own feelings and being 
exposed.
 
 Prominent gay-bashers are sometimes found in 'difficult to explain'
 circumstances. Here are a few names that come to mind:
 
 Mark Foley, Ted Haggard, Larry Craig - and here's a good one:
 
 Troy King, Alabama's Attorney General as well as the chairman of 
John
 McCain's Alabama Leadership Team was reportedly caught by his wife 
in
 their bed with — naturally — another man: 
 
     King, a conservative Republican Christian who has called
 homosexuality the 'downfall of society,' has been caught with his
 pants down — literally — in a gay sex scandal. King was reportedly
 nabbed having sex with a male assistant by his wife, Paige King, in
 the couple's own bed. 
 
 http://tinyurl.com/6jsmv8


I'm fascinated, Bongo Brazil, that you actually keep tabs on all the 
comings and goings in the Gay World.

You have to expend at least SOME effort to maintain such a list of 
wayward gay Republican politicians...and I'm wondering what's behind 
it (no pun intended).



[FairfieldLife] Trouble in Charlie Paradise

2008-12-24 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wgm4u@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ 
wrote: 
   In my years of working for Charlie he was occasionally asked why
   people are gay. And while Charlie was a bit of a homophobe 
himself, he
   made it clear that the soul is without gender and incarnates 
into the
   world of polarities via either a male or female body. 
   
   He also added that in order to fathom the range of human 
experience
   and to learn the 'lessons of life' as he put it, the soul often
   changes the gender of the body it uses for this to happen. 
   
   He made it clear that when this change happens, the person who 
was
   previously, for example, a man, may now have the body of a 
woman but
   can and often does retain the desires of the man they were - and
   vice-versa. ---
   
   This isn't something limited to the views of Charlie. That the 
soul is
   without gender is a common understanding. And that the soul 
incarnates
   into bodies of both genders is also commonly understood. {Even 
the
   Hindu gods are found in the literature to have occasionally 
changed
   gender.]
   
   That people retain their desires from a previous gender is no
   surprise, and neither is it a 'sin' worthy of death as Billy G 
and
   other homophobic bigots are eager to proclaim.
  
  I was merely relating the story of Sodom and Gomorrah and the
  ramifications of licentiousness on a grand scale as stated in the
  Bible. You are being judgmental by calling me a homophobe.
 
 That's because you applied those judgments to all gays. Duh. Your 
own
 words show that you are indeed homophobic, Billy G. You've 
repeatedly
 condemned gays for just being gays. That's bigotry.
 
 
   You have taken on the human form to gain Divine Mind through
   knowledge and experience in the field of combined opposites.
   
   ~~  Charlie Lutes
  
  You left out the part about the ideal (according to Charlie) is 
one
  should change sexes every 3 lifetimes, if you don't and stubbornly
  refuse to be reborn as the opposite sex you're reborn, a little 
light
  in the loafers as he put it.
 
 
 Looks to me that you made up that last part about 'stubbornly 
refusing
 to be reborn as the opposite sex.' I never heard him say any such 
thing.



Bongo, why are you being so hostile to Your-Brother-In-Charlie?  
Aren't you and BillyG amongst the most devoted Charlie Lutes 
followers?  

BillyG is your GuruBrother.

Indeed, BillyG even has a photo of himself with Charlie posted on 
that I love Charlie Lutes website.  Can't say I've seen one of YOU 
with Charlie.

Are you jealous?



[FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes' explanation on why people are gay

2008-12-24 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 guyfawke...@... 
wrote:

  And that the soul incarnates
  into bodies of both genders is also commonly understood. {Even the
  Hindu gods are found in the literature to have occasionally 
changed
  gender.]
  
 The most interesting take on this one in Hindu/Vedic literature is a
 story in the Yoga Vashista. A king and queen decide to get into
 spiritual pursuits and the queen gets to UC pretty quick. The king
 will have nothing of it and wanders off into the forest for a few
 decades of austerities. A few decades later the queen reckons he 
might
 be ready for some instruction, but knowing he won't listen to a 
woman,
 she disguises herself as a celibate monk. After some detailed
 instruction on what's what he gets enlightened, and then the queen
 starts thinking, hold on this guy is my husband and we haven't had 
it
 for years So she goes through a big rigmarole of changing sex every
 night so the king can hump the celibate monk he's met in the forest,
 while in UC. Real soap opera stuff and calculated to break the
 boundaries of people who think in conventional ways about what's
 spiritual.



Not the Rig Veda.

Not the Sama Veda.

It's the Larry Flynt Veda, wrapped in brown paper and available at 
the back of your local newsstand.



[FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes' explanation on why people are gay

2008-12-24 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool fflmod@ wrote:
 
  
  
   
  Not what Charlie told me. He said in a lecture I was at that men
 were gay because they were supposed to incarnate as a woman and
 insisted on being a man.
   
  A friend in ff once told me he also denied ever saying get on the
 round ones, don't get on the cigar-shaped ones!, but he clearly 
said
 that in one of the two of his lectures I was at.
 
 
 It's clear that apart from what Charlie has said that it's a common
 understanding that on the evolutionary path the genderless soul uses
 bodies of both male and female. It's no stretch to assume that
 shifting from one to another can be accompanied by desires from the
 previous gender.



Bongo:

Sorry to burst your bubble but you've mixed up your spiritual 
anecdotes with an episode from the original Star Trek series.  That 
was Captain Kirk who found himself trapped in the body of a gorgeous 
blond on some outer planet in a remote solar system.





 In any case, to consider it somehow evil and
 deserving of death when it happens is ridiculous. Apparently,
 [depending on the sources], around 2% to 7% of the population is 
gay -
 a substantial number of human beings.





[FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes' explanation on why people are gay

2008-12-24 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool ffl...@... 
wrote:

 
 
  
 An interesting factoid to add is the Ramtha followers believe a 
soul incarnates into the same gender pretty much exclusively. The 
very few who cross over into the opposite gender when they should not 
be doing such an abhorrent thing are called crossovers and looked 
at with disdain. 






Fortunately for them, there was that precedent-setting Supreme Court 
decision Brown v. Kansas Board of Education which ruled that 
discrimination against crossovers was covered under the equality 
guarantees under the first amendment.

I heard that, as a result, the Ramtha hierarchy had to pay some 
undisclosed amount in a class action suit brought by a whole score of 
put-upon crossovers who had been treated unfairly by their 
organisation.






 
 Love will swallow you, eat you up completely, until there is no 
`you,' only love. 
  
 - Amma  
 
 --- On Wed, 12/24/08, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote:
 
 From: do.rflex do.rf...@...
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes' explanation on why 
people are gay
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Wednesday, December 24, 2008, 2:31 PM
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool fflmod@ wrote:
 
  
  
   
  Not what Charlie told me. He said in a lecture I was at that men
 were gay because they were supposed to incarnate as a woman and
 insisted on being a man.
   
  A friend in ff once told me he also denied ever saying get on the
 round ones, don't get on the cigar-shaped ones!, but he clearly 
said
 that in one of the two of his lectures I was at.
 
 
 It's clear that apart from what Charlie has said that it's a common
 understanding that on the evolutionary path the genderless soul uses
 bodies of both male and female. It's no stretch to assume that
 shifting from one to another can be accompanied by desires from the
 previous gender. In any case, to consider it somehow evil and
 deserving of death when it happens is ridiculous. Apparently,
 [depending on the sources], around 2% to 7% of the population is 
gay -
 a substantial number of human beings.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Melissa Etheridge on Rick Warren

2008-12-24 Thread raunchydog
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcg...@...
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  Actually, I think Jesus would have invited an openly
  gay person to deliver the invocation.
 
 
 How about an openly polygamous person?
 
 Seeing as polygamy was quite the norm back then, any possibility that 
 you would think that Jesus would have invited such a person to give 
 the invocation?  After all, they are persecuted just as gays are...
 
 Or...how about an openly gay polygamous person?  That is, a male 
 homosexual that keeps 6 males as concubines?  He'd make quite a treat 
 as the gay to deliver the invocation, doncha think?
 
 What would Jesus say about polygamous gay civil unions?  Wouldn't you 
 think, Judy, that Jesus would be first in line to bless such unions 
 and sanction them?  After all, you are being so politically correct 
 why not extend the good cheer on this, the eve of Jesus' birthday?

Lordy, Lordy right-wing-nuts, I wouldn't be surprised if you all start
picking on the poor Box Turtle. For the homophobes on FF Life who
can't resist making fun of What would Jesus Do if he were Obama? and
pointing out the absurdity of Shemp's argument, we must preemptively
defend the honor of the Box Turtle: http://tinyurl.com/9r98fs





[FairfieldLife] Re: Melissa Etheridge on Rick Warren

2008-12-24 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
wrote:
  
   Actually, I think Jesus would have invited an openly
   gay person to deliver the invocation.
  
  
  How about an openly polygamous person?
  
  Seeing as polygamy was quite the norm back then, any possibility 
that 
  you would think that Jesus would have invited such a person to 
give 
  the invocation?  After all, they are persecuted just as gays 
are...
  
  Or...how about an openly gay polygamous person?  That is, a male 
  homosexual that keeps 6 males as concubines?  He'd make quite a 
treat 
  as the gay to deliver the invocation, doncha think?
  
  What would Jesus say about polygamous gay civil unions?  Wouldn't 
you 
  think, Judy, that Jesus would be first in line to bless such 
unions 
  and sanction them?  After all, you are being so politically 
correct 
  why not extend the good cheer on this, the eve of Jesus' birthday?
 
 Lordy, Lordy right-wing-nuts, I wouldn't be surprised if you all 
start
 picking on the poor Box Turtle. For the homophobes on FF Life who
 can't resist making fun of What would Jesus Do if he were Obama? 
and
 pointing out the absurdity of Shemp's argument, we must preemptively
 defend the honor of the Box Turtle: http://tinyurl.com/9r98fs


The polygamous argument is, at least, not absurd (the others, of 
course, were said in jest).

When Mormon-heavy Utah joined the union, one of the requirements was 
that they make polygamy illegal. This was a cornerstone of their 
religion which they were forced to give up.

Why?

Because of the Full Faith and Credit clause of the U.S. 
Constitution which says that all states must recognize the civil laws 
of other states.  Having polygamy recognized in Utah would have meant 
that ALL states would have had to recognize it (that's why people 
used to get those quickie divorces in Nevada; once you got one there, 
all states had to recognize it).

Legalizing polygamy IS, most definitely a logical next step if and 
when gay marriages become legal and constitutional.  If I were Mormon 
I would be royally pissed off that an alternative form of marriage 
such as gay marriage was getting a stronghold and polygamy isn't 
allowed.

And, besides, polygamy has a much stronger, legitimate, and existing 
presence in history than gay marriage does.

To support gay marriage and yet be against polygamy is, simply, 
bigotted and discriminatory.




[FairfieldLife] Re: Maitreya to appear on American TV

2008-12-24 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal
l.shad...@... wrote:

 As prophesied, Maitreya will appear on American TV within 
 the next few weeks on the Fox Network series House.  Don't 
 want to give away the plot, which as usual has it's well 
 known twists and turns in diagnosing Maitreya's condition.

I hear he's going to play one of Thirteen's 
lovers, which may mean that he turns out to 
be a she. 






[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM slaying lawsuit goes to court in Jan

2008-12-24 Thread bob_brigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutp...@... 
wrote:

 Why the powers-to-be at MUM are not settling this out of court is 
beyond comprehension. MUM violated its own written procedures and 
were grossly negligent. Just incomprehensible in sending a floridly 
psychotic student who had previously attacked and injured a student 
to sit with an untrained faculty member who then leaves him 
unattended. And then when he finally finds him, he's mingling with 
other students and this untrained faculty member simply observes him? 
WTF? What, was everyone terrified of getting embarrassed or 
something? 
 
 


***

It's not within MUM's power to settle this suit or decide on any 
legal strategies. MUM's insurance company has undoubtedly made a 
settlement offer, but the plaintiffs surely feel that they can do 
better in a jury trial. We may still see a settlement before it goes 
to trial or the insurance company may wait and see what kind of jury 
it gets, or the progress of the trial before it makes another offer.



[FairfieldLife] Re: How Al Franken will win...

2008-12-24 Thread bob_brigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcg...@... 
wrote:

 ONE PLUS ONE EQUALS 20 EXTRA VOTES FOR FRANKEN
 
 December 17, 2008
 
 It's bad enough that the Republican Party can't prevent Democrats 
 from voting in its primaries and saddling us with The New York 
Times' 
 favorite Republican as our presidential nominee. 

***

It's time for marginal species to disappear, anyway, Shemp:



Mark McKinnon: The problem with the Republican Party is there are too 
many woolly mammoths like me wandering around. It's time to kill us 
off. Just slaughter us all. Drive us into the tar pits and move on. 
Republicans working in leadership and the trenches are largely old, 
white, male, out-of-touch, out of ideas, technology averse, and 
living in the past.

*
McKinnon is former media advisor to Bush:

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Mark_McKinnon



Re: [FairfieldLife] Barack Obama, legal scholar

2008-12-24 Thread I am the eternal
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 12:33 PM, shempmcgurk shempmcg...@netscape.net wrote:
 August 12, 2008

 Barack Obama, Legal Scholar

 By Ed Lasky
 Barack Obama promises to accomplish quite a lot if he becomes our next
 President. These promises are symbolized in his campaign themes: hope and
 change. But just how likely is he to fulfill his own promise and the
 promises he has made to the American people?

This is sour grapes trash talk.  GW Bush was a lifelong underachiever
yet look what great things he's been able to accomplish during his
adminstration:  voiding most of the Bill of Rights, making an imperial
presidency, getting the US trillions of more dollars in the hole,
getting us into two wars we won't be able to get out of for a long
time.  Very few presidents have as great a legacy as GW Bush.
Further, there's the underachiever Harry Truman who turns out to have
been a pretty damned successful president.  If Obama delivers just a
fraction of what he's offered, he'll go down as one of the great
presidents.


Re: [FairfieldLife] Barack Obama, legal scholar

2008-12-24 Thread Vaj


On Dec 24, 2008, at 5:34 PM, I am the eternal wrote:

On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 12:33 PM, shempmcgurk shempmcg...@netscape.net 
 wrote:

August 12, 2008

Barack Obama, Legal Scholar

By Ed Lasky
Barack Obama promises to accomplish quite a lot if he becomes our  
next
President. These promises are symbolized in his campaign themes:  
hope and

change. But just how likely is he to fulfill his own promise and the
promises he has made to the American people?


This is sour grapes trash talk.  GW Bush was a lifelong underachiever
yet look what great things he's been able to accomplish during his
adminstration:  voiding most of the Bill of Rights, making an imperial
presidency, getting the US trillions of more dollars in the hole,
getting us into two wars we won't be able to get out of for a long
time.  Very few presidents have as great a legacy as GW Bush.
Further, there's the underachiever Harry Truman who turns out to have
been a pretty damned successful president.  If Obama delivers just a
fraction of what he's offered, he'll go down as one of the great
presidents.



It's refreshing to hear some downright honesty from someone who is/was  
a conservative. If you're honest with the situation, you come to the  
realization that he does have incredible potential, intelligence,  
honesty and integrity, although he still does have to actualize that  
potential.


There's nothing more annoying for me than to turn on the radio and  
hear Rush Bimbo and Glenn Dreck dropping thought-stoppers like  
socialism and he'll steal our guns over the airwaves. One day I  
have the time I'll call up Dreck and ask him if he really knows about  
all the different types of socialism and whether he realizes that  
we're talking about democratic socialism and the style of govt. we see  
in NW European countries. You know, the kind with free healthcare for  
everyone and free college for those with the grades. That kind of  
socialism.


I listen to a lot of these call in shows and the above memes have  
conditioned a lot of the listeners and callers. The other favorite-- 
and I cringe when I hear it--is 'we need to get Big Govt. out of the  
way', i.e. deregulate. It's like there's this collective denial  
mechanism that's built into this entrenched partisan think. Unless  
they're really not listening it should be manifestly obvious that the  
Reagan-Bush Depression was caused by capitalism's natural tendency to  
trend towards greed and avaricious behavior. In a capitalist system,  
you'll always need regulation.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM slaying lawsuit goes to court in Jan

2008-12-24 Thread Peter
Bob, do you know where the trial is scheduled to be held?


--- On Wed, 12/24/08, bob_brigante no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 From: bob_brigante no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM slaying lawsuit goes to court in Jan
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Wednesday, December 24, 2008, 5:20 PM
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
 drpetersutp...@... 
 wrote:
 
  Why the powers-to-be at MUM are not settling this out
 of court is 
 beyond comprehension. MUM violated its own written
 procedures and 
 were grossly negligent. Just incomprehensible in sending a
 floridly 
 psychotic student who had previously attacked and injured a
 student 
 to sit with an untrained faculty member who then leaves him
 
 unattended. And then when he finally finds him, he's
 mingling with 
 other students and this untrained faculty member simply
 observes him? 
 WTF? What, was everyone terrified of getting embarrassed or
 
 something? 
  
  
 
 
 ***
 
 It's not within MUM's power to settle this suit or
 decide on any 
 legal strategies. MUM's insurance company has
 undoubtedly made a 
 settlement offer, but the plaintiffs surely feel that they
 can do 
 better in a jury trial. We may still see a settlement
 before it goes 
 to trial or the insurance company may wait and see what
 kind of jury 
 it gets, or the progress of the trial before it makes
 another offer.
 
 
 
 
 To subscribe, send a message to:
 fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Melissa Etheridge on Rick Warren

2008-12-24 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Dec 24, 2008, at 3:19 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:
 How about an openly polygamous person?

 Seeing as polygamy was quite the norm back then, any possibility that
 you would think that Jesus would have invited such a person to give
 the invocation?  After all, they are persecuted just as gays are...

 Or...how about an openly gay polygamous person?  That is, a male
 homosexual that keeps 6 males as concubines?  He'd make quite a treat
 as the gay to deliver the invocation, doncha think?

How about an openly gay Jewish black polygamous person?
Who's also had a sex change?  Why leave anyone out?

Sal



Re: [FairfieldLife] Barack Obama, legal scholar

2008-12-24 Thread I am the eternal
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 5:03 PM, Vaj vajradh...@earthlink.net wrote:


 It's refreshing to hear some downright honesty from someone who is/was a
 conservative. If you're honest with the situation, you come to the
 realization that he does have incredible potential, intelligence, honesty
 and integrity, although he still does have to actualize that potential.

The words are sincere.  We had a long, drawn out painful election.  I
was looking for a different president, definitely not a high yellow
elitist one, but Obama was the best being offered, so I voted for him.
 Unhappy with my representation, I voted the complete Democratic
party.  Now we have a president elect.  It's time to put the election
aside and stand behind our president and wish him and us well.

I've not seen any Obama impersonators yet.  I don't find him so
grating.  It's not like the MLK or Barbara Jordan black preacher
speak.  It'll be interesting to see how the humorists do make fun of
him.  It would be nice of Obama is allowed to live long enough so we
can see him in action as the president.


[FairfieldLife] Re: Melissa Etheridge on Rick Warren

2008-12-24 Thread raunchydog
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@...
wrote:

 On Dec 24, 2008, at 3:19 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:
  How about an openly polygamous person?
 
  Seeing as polygamy was quite the norm back then, any possibility that
  you would think that Jesus would have invited such a person to give
  the invocation?  After all, they are persecuted just as gays are...
 
  Or...how about an openly gay polygamous person?  That is, a male
  homosexual that keeps 6 males as concubines?  He'd make quite a treat
  as the gay to deliver the invocation, doncha think?
 
 How about an openly gay Jewish black polygamous person?
 Who's also had a sex change?  Why leave anyone out?
 
 Sal

Sal, If anyone can figure that one out, it would be Obama, but he's
only interested in giving the religious right credibility when they
should just get used to the idea that they are in the minority on the
issue of gay marriage. By giving them such a prominent platform to
justify their bigoted ideas, he has resuscitated their dying breed.
Most sane people JUST DON'T CARE if two people in a committed
relationship want to marry. It's just nobody's damn business what
people do in their bedrooms. 



[FairfieldLife] Re: Science absorbs Religion

2008-12-24 Thread dhamiltony2k5
O

TM-Science:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHw5jfEDMSwfeature=channel




 Predicting 2009
 
 Science absorbs Religion:
 
 Science seeks to not transcend religion but to absorb religion and 
 reduce it to just another natural phenomenon that can be prodded, 
 measured and explained.  Such research is now going on apace-  and 
set 
 to provoke screams that will echo well beyond 2009.
 
 From  The Economist
 `The World in 2009'





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2008-12-24 Thread FFL PostCount
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[FairfieldLife] One of the nicest national anthems

2008-12-24 Thread I am the eternal
The words are of course about war...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pHO7GW0MKE


[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM slaying lawsuit goes to court in Jan

2008-12-24 Thread Alex Stanley
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutp...@... wrote:

 Bob, do you know where the trial is scheduled to be held?
 
Federal court in Des Moines

http://www.ottumwacourier.com/archivesearch/local_story_357230551.html



[FairfieldLife] Re: Melissa Etheridge on Rick Warren

2008-12-24 Thread Nelson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wgm4u@ wrote:
   
But it's not the 'wrath of God' that brings on this 
destruction, it's violation of the natural laws of nature 
made by God, we have freewill to either obey these laws or 
suffer as a result of our ignorance of these laws or outright 
defiance of these laws, 
   
   We have free will, period. BTW, the laws of nature
   you believe in are fiction, too.  :-)
   
  snip,
  I find that ignoring the law of gravity can be troublesome at times.
  some of the laws of nature seem pretty real to me or am I missing
  something here?  N.
 
 Nelson, I was just poking a little good-natured
 fun at Billy because he was extending the concept
 of the laws of nature to say that he considered
 things like unbridled sexuality, homosexuality, 
 and lust to be against them.
 
 My point was that the word law is inappropriate.
 Take your example of gravity, for example. So far,
 as far as I know, no scientist has fully explained
 this *force* of nature. When they finally come up
 with a theory that seems to cover all the bases,
 in their hubris they'll proclaim their theory to
 be a law of nature.
 
 It isn't. You violate the law of gravity every
 time you step on a plane or fly a kite. What humans
 in their hubris call laws are merely their spec-
 ulations about the nature of the forces of nature;
 they aren't laws.
 
 And they go even further afield in their hubris
 when they attempt to claim that the things that 
 they personally feel are moral or right are
 laws of nature. And they step into the world of
 the absurd when they claim that these theories of
 morality and proper behavior were dictated by
 God.

  OIC- right
  The area between facts, laws,theories, opinions etc. leaves a lot of
room for controversy which should last for some time.



[FairfieldLife] Re: Classical Music for Christmas Eve

2008-12-24 Thread authfriend
(NOTE: For anyone who is delirious with joy thinking
I've gone over my 50 for the week, please see Alex's
post #202546.)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... 
wrote:
snip
 My sister is music director for the Metro East
 Community Chorale for the St. Louis/Southwestern
 Illinois area. My mother and I drove from Fairfield
 to visit her this weekend for their annual
 Christmas performance. Jan Pieterszoon Sweelinck
 'Hodie Christus Natus Est was the most complex
 piece they sang

That's quite an accomplishment; it's not an easy
piece to perform. But it's wonderful. I found an
audio of it (not your sister's performance!) here:

http://www.hendrix.edu/music/music.aspx?id=10784

I adore that period of choral music. Years ago in
New York I belonged to a small amateur chorus that
specialized in Renaissance church music. We sang--
in Latin, yet--on street corners (no donations
allowed) and in parks, and in churches, when they'd
let us. We also sang in subway stations, which are
fabulous for that kind of music; sounds like you're
in a cathedral.

I used to do a lot of choral singing of various
kinds, but as I got older I lost my upper register.
A real drag, because I loved to sing.

As this is my last post for the week, I'll wish
everyone a terrific holiday with a poem by
Gerard Manley Hopkins (read it aloud for best
effect):


GLORY be to God for dappled things--   
For skies of couple-colour as a brinded cow; 
For rose-moles all in stipple upon trout that swim; 
Fresh-firecoal chestnut-falls; finches' wings;   
Landscape plotted and pieced--fold, fallow, and plough; 
And áll trádes, their gear and tackle and trim. 

All things counter, original, spare, strange;   
Whatever is fickle, freckled (who knows how?) 
With swift, slow; sweet, sour; adazzle, dim; 
He fathers-forth whose beauty is past change: 
Praise him.




[FairfieldLife] Re: Melissa Etheridge on Rick Warren

2008-12-24 Thread Nelson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wgm4u@ wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@
wrote:

 [ A fascinating and uplifting counterpoint to all
 the hysterical condemnations of Rick Warren, and
 Obama for inviting him to the party. Remember, this 
 is the person who refuses to pay California taxes 
 in the wake of Proposition 8 passing. ]
 
 The Choice Is Ours Now
 by Melissa Etheridge

I know she, and probably you, scoff and snicker at the story 
in the Bible of 'Sodom and Gomorrah', yet it contains an 
important moral lesson. If humanity continues in behavior 
that is contrary to natural law, it will suffer. In this 
context unbridled sexuality, homosexuality, and lust led 
to the demise of Sodom and Gomorrah...does San Francisco 
qualify? probably!
   
   Billy, Billy, Billy. I'll bet you still believe
   in Santa Claus, too.  :-)
   
   Hate to break it to you, dude, but the story of
   what happened to Sodom and Gomorrah is fiction, 
   as is the big guy in the sky who supposedly 
   wasted them because they weren't as uptight
   as he was.
   
But it's not the 'wrath of God' that brings on this 
destruction, it's violation of the natural laws of nature 
made by God, we have freewill to either obey these laws or 
suffer as a result of our ignorance of these laws or outright 
defiance of these laws, 
   
   We have free will, period. BTW, the laws of nature
   you believe in are fiction, too.  :-)
   
  snip,
 I find that ignoring the law of gravity can be troublesome at
times.
 some of the laws of nature seem pretty real to me or am I missing
  something here?  N.
 
 
 And you assume that the Old Testament determines the laws of nature?
 Uh-huh.

  Equally relevant is the question- Why does a mouse when it spins.



[FairfieldLife] Merry Christmas to all on FFL

2008-12-24 Thread nablusoss1008


The future is bright and that is my delight

- Maharishi



[FairfieldLife] More elderly Japanese turn to petty crime

2008-12-24 Thread I am the eternal
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/12/24/elderly.shoplifters/index.html


[FairfieldLife] Letter from An Enlightened Man: Sidhis

2008-12-24 Thread Vaj
Another RWC letter, this time touching on the topic of siddhis, the  
magical outward-stroke remnants Maharishi Patanjali tells us are not  
to be sought after, and as Swami Brahmananda Saraswati urges, siddhis  
are mere after-effects, meant to trail behind the sadhaka. To seek  
after them by samyama formulae, the primary text on enlightenment in  
the Shankaracharya tradition, Discrimination of Cosmic and Unity  
Consciousness, wisely warns us (esp. yogic flying and certain other  
siddhis) are impediments to true realization. Caveat emptor. Recent  
descendants of the Saraswati order have indeed noticed, not  
surprisngly, an epidemic of yogic disease among TM siddhas.


Not so surprisingly, RWC's slant of the sidhis is similar to other  
TM claimants of enlightenment. The reason they have no observable  
siddhis is because this is deemed some thing extra and beyond their  
exalted states.


Uh huh...

RWC's spiel on the siddhis (TMO-speak: sidhis) are by and large  
regurgitated movement-speak, although he touches on some esoterica  
hidden in old video tapes that many may not have heard of (the  
absolute body), the techniques for these carrots were never in  
fact taught on any TM course but they do actually exist. RWC can also  
be seen chafing against the obvious disparity between Mahesh's  
description of siddhis as a criteria for Unity, a state of  
consciousness traditionally associated with the Advaita Vedanta  
darshana (and beyond siddhi), instead of the yoga-darshana of  
Patanjali (and Cosmic Consciousness; Skt: turiyatita), their  
rightful domain. This same and quite obvious confusion continues up to  
the current day in TM-sidhi proponents.


 (Many thanks to former students of RWC who've been very helpful in  
these reviews and who all wish to remain anonymous.)

-
All Excerpts © Robin Woodsworth Carlsen, 1978. This book has no ISBN.  
Since printers were being harassed by TM cultists, it also mentions no  
Printer or Publisher.



... at once it struck me, what quality went to form a Man of  
Achievement... I mean Negative Capability, that is when man is capable  
of being in uncertainties, Mysteries, doubts, without any irritable  
reaching after fact and reason.


John Keats

March, 1978

Dear Matthew,

You kindly issued an invitation for me to attend a Sidhi course in the  
summer, guaranteeing some special attention in order to avoid any  
backlash from course leaders. Thank you. It is a distinct possibility,  
for in spite of my felt sense of realization on the level of  
consciousness, i.e., the Self is primary, everything is perceived in  
terms of the Self, and all actions are governed by pure Creative  
Intelligence, there still is considerable refining that can yet take  
place on the level of the gross human body, and for that presumably  
all of Maharishi's technology would be necessary. A further point on  
this same issue concerns a tape I listened to in '73 at the  
commencement of my TTC in which Maharishi spoke of absolute bodies.  
This seems to me a very real and inevitable outcome of continuing to  
meditate after one is 'Self-realized'. He spoke of this phenomenon in  
terms of a metamorphosis from a clay body to one made of glass! I  
certainly am aware of a continuing process of evolution on the level  
of my physical nervous system, and if Nature deems it appropriate I  
shall be seeing you in the summer.


On this point, however, it should be made clear that I take  
Maharishi's statements on sidhi performances (e.g., He'll come out  
with a new program when proficiency is demonstrated in hovering, etc.)  
to be functional, and open to several different levels of  
interpretation. Self-realization, Unity, simply means the 'I' has  
merged with the unmanifest and one spontaneously perceives the  
universe as fluctuations of pure consciousness, completely whole, and  
composed of the light and love of God. At the point of liberation one  
awakens as if from a dream and one transfers one's allegiance from the  
ego to the Creator. Ego, individualized consciousness as the primary  
reality, is simply an hallucination, and the outcome of the spell of  
ignorance. This is my experience. The applied expression of this state  
of consciousness is that all one's activities are motivated and guided  
by Nature; one is an instrument of God.


Now about Maharishi's recent (a few days after I proclaimed my  
'Enlightenment'  I was told to do so by Steven Francis by M's  
request)  criteria of Enlightenment, e.g., how high one can 'fly',  
becoming invisible at will, etc. These powers, as I see them, are the  
spontaneous outcome of further refinement of the nervous system, but  
NOT significant as a barometer of consciousness, if viewed in terms of  
ego, small self desire. An Enlightened individual cannot lift his  
little finger except as Nature decides to lift it. He does not have a  
personal will; he innocently does the will of Nature, or rather, his  
desire is 

[FairfieldLife] Cat--the other white meat

2008-12-24 Thread I am the eternal
http://wrongcards.com/ecard/there-are-other-sources-white-meat


[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM slaying lawsuit goes to court in Jan

2008-12-24 Thread bob_brigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutp...@... wrote:

 Bob, do you know where the trial is scheduled to be held?
 
 





DM, homes:

http://snipurl.com/93e9e  [www_iasd_uscourts_gov] 



[FairfieldLife] Web tech help sites

2008-12-24 Thread bob_brigante

from NYT tech page:

If you're like me, odds are that you've also found yourself with
a tech problem that was made worse by the lack of ready, available —
and perhaps most important — useful help. But with the Internet,
there's no need to have to wait on hold. There are hundreds (if not
thousands) of other users out there, sharing their experience and
wisdom, often free. So instead of getting on the phone, get online and
start crowdsourcing your tech support needs. Here's how.

General Tips

First, a a few general rules. Many of the below sites require you to
register a user name and password before you can post a question. Also,
it's a good idea to check how active a site is. Answerbag.com
http://answerbag.com/ , for example, has more than 750,000 members.
The bigger the site, the more likely you are to get an answer.

Sites with moderators are a plus because they will help weed out
irrelevant or duplicate answers and keep the discussion on topic. There
are also good fee-based sites like Experts Exchange (http://sec
http://sec/ ure.experts-exchange.com
http://ure.experts-exchange.com/ /), but I've limited the below
list to free help.

PCs

One of my favorite tech support sites is FixYa.com http://fixya.com/ 
(http://www.fixya.com http://www.fixya.com/ /). It has a clean design,
which makes searching easy. When posing a question, use keywords, hit
the search button, and a list of solutions will pop up.

FixYa lets its users rate one another so you can see who has a good
solution rating and who doesn't. Users can choose among the
post a new problem, I can solve this! and I
have the same problem tabs. The site also has an alphabetical list
of brands so you can search by name.

TechIMO.com http://techimo.com/  (http://www.techimo.com
http://www.techimo.com/ /) is also a good bet, judging by sheer volume
of active users. The site's PC hardware and tech general discussion
board (http://www.techimo.com/forum/general-tech-discussion
http://www.techimo.com/forum/general-tech-discussion /) had nearly
240,000 posts when I checked it. Fair warning: the site is geared more
toward the tech-savvy than the tech-phobic.

Tech publications PC World (http://tinyurl.com/3q7xm5
http://tinyurl.com/3q7xm5 ) and CNet (http://tinyurl.com/43be5q
http://tinyurl.com/43be5q ) also have good discussion forums.

Macs

Pretty as they may be, Macs have their own special brand of problems.
Apple
http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/business/companies/apple_computer_in\
c/index.html?inline=nyt-org 's own site
(http://www.apple.com/support http://www.apple.com/support /) has
effective forums (http://discussions.apple.com/forum.jspa?forumID=731
http://discussions.apple.com/forum.jspa?forumID=731 ), but sometimes
they can turn into complaint centers where everybody acknowledges having
the problem, but no one seems to have a solution.

CNet's MacFixIt.com http://macfixit.com/  (http://www.macfixit.com
http://www.macfixit.com/ /) gets around this by taking select
Apple.com http://apple.com/  forum questions and answering them on its
site. In one post, a Mac user wrote on Apple.com's forums that he
was experiencing problems with Time Machine backups. Most of the
thread's other users chimed in only to say that they had the same
problem. MacFixIt then stepped in and offered its solution.

In addition to an active forum, MacFixIt also offers useful tutorials
(http://tinyurl.com/4xw9a http://tinyurl.com/4xw9a ) with digestible
instructions, and explanations, on everything from sleep problems to
reinstalling your system.

Of course, it's better to find advice for your exact Mac.
Everymac.com http://everymac.com/ 's Q. A. section is broken down
by model, so if you're dealing with MacBook Pro problems, you can go
to that section
(http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/macbook_pro/faq/index.html
http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/macbook_pro/faq/index.html ).

Smartphones

I solved my BlackBerry problem on Crackberry.com
http://crackberry.com/ 's forums (http://forums.crackberry.com
http://forums.crackberry.com/ /). Not only does the site break down
problems by model, including Apple's iPhone
http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/i/iphone/i\
ndex.html?inline=nyt-classifier  3G, but it also has a section for
older BlackBerrys (http://forums.crackberry.com/f29
http://forums.crackberry.com/f29 /), which is helpful because not
everyone has the money or desire to switch models every year. You can
also search by carrier.

Users of the iPhone can turn to the- iPhoneBlog.com
http://iphoneblog.com/ 
(http://www.theiphoneblog.com/iphone-help-and-how-to-guides
http://www.theiphoneblog.com/iphone-help-and-how-to-guides /), which
is helpful because it uses screen images and other visual aids instead
of dizzying amounts of text. Even better are video tutorials. Instead of
wasting time trying to locate your SIM card tray, just mimic the
video's step-by step instructions and pause and replay as needed.

If you're short on patience, CNet's video 

[FairfieldLife] Shalajit and Fulvic acid from the Himalayas

2008-12-24 Thread yifuxero
http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/fulvic.htm



[FairfieldLife] Interesting Google Factoid

2008-12-24 Thread Rick Archer
I ran into a Google employee last night, while travelling, who told me that
Google now has nearly a million servers. So many that about 12,000 fail
every day and are promptly replaced. They are networked in such a way that
their work is distributed and the failure of a small percentage doesn't
degrade their overall performance. Google builds their own computers out of
standard components and as such, is one of the world's largest computer
manufacturers.



[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting Google Factoid

2008-12-24 Thread Robert
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote:

 I ran into a Google employee last night, while travelling, who told
me that
 Google now has nearly a million servers. So many that about 12,000 fail
 every day and are promptly replaced. They are networked in such a
way that
 their work is distributed and the failure of a small percentage doesn't
 degrade their overall performance. Google builds their own computers
out of
 standard components and as such, is one of the world's largest computer
 manufacturers.

Looks like they're well primed to take over the world...
or, has that already happened..?



[FairfieldLife] Re: OffWorld-Music Only: THE CLASH - 1977

2008-12-24 Thread off_world_beings
Headphones required for this thread:

The Clash - Late 1977, cover of Junior Murvin's original:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eluResb4xQE

OffWorld



[FairfieldLife] Re: OffWorld-Music Only: THE CLASH - 1977

2008-12-24 Thread off_world_beings
Headphones required for this thread:

Junio Murvin - mid 70's - Jamaican:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OID0h7X6hmk

OffWorld



[FairfieldLife] Re: OffWorld-Music Only: Junior Murvin - 1976

2008-12-24 Thread off_world_beings
Headphones required for this thread:

Junio Murvin - mid 70's - Jamaican:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OID0h7X6hmk

OffWorld




[FairfieldLife] Re: OffWorld-Music Only: Junior Murvin - 1976

2008-12-24 Thread off_world_beings
Headphones required for this thread:

Roxy Music - mid 70's - English:
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ci9jA_4O3GIfeature=related

OffWorld



[FairfieldLife] Re: OffWorld-Music Only: Roxy Music - mid '70's

2008-12-24 Thread off_world_beings
Headphones required for this thread:

Roxy Music - mid 70's - English:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ci9jA_4O3GIfeature=related

OffWorld



[FairfieldLife] Re: OffWorld-Music Only: GRACE JONES - mid '70's

2008-12-24 Thread off_world_beings
Headphones required for this thread:

Grace Jones - 1980's - Jamaican:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6AQgrs_c44

OffWorld





[FairfieldLife] Re: OffWorld-Music Only: GRACE JONES - 1980's

2008-12-24 Thread off_world_beings
Headphones required for this thread:

Grace Jones - 1980's - Jamaican:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6AQgrs_c44

OffWorld




Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM slaying lawsuit goes to court in Jan

2008-12-24 Thread Peter
Oh Lord, a jury trial. This will never make it that far. They'll be a last 
minute offer by MUM's insurance carrier.


--- On Wed, 12/24/08, bob_brigante no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 From: bob_brigante no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM slaying lawsuit goes to court in Jan
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Wednesday, December 24, 2008, 9:37 PM
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
 drpetersutp...@... wrote:
 
  Bob, do you know where the trial is scheduled to be
 held?
  
  
 
 
 
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM slaying lawsuit goes to court in Jan

2008-12-24 Thread yifuxero
--- The jurors can watch reruns of Blade Runner while not busy:
http://www.ncane.com/v7h


In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutp...@... wrote:

 Oh Lord, a jury trial. This will never make it that far. They'll be 
a last minute offer by MUM's insurance carrier.
 
 
 --- On Wed, 12/24/08, bob_brigante no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
  From: bob_brigante no_re...@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM slaying lawsuit goes to court in 
Jan
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  Date: Wednesday, December 24, 2008, 9:37 PM
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
  drpetersutphen@ wrote:
  
   Bob, do you know where the trial is scheduled to be
  held?
   
   
  
  
  
  
  
  DM, homes:
  
  http://snipurl.com/93e9e  [www_iasd_uscourts_gov] 
  
  
  
  
  To subscribe, send a message to:
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[FairfieldLife] Christmas Lights

2008-12-24 Thread raunchydog
Trans-Siberian Orchestra - Wizards in Winter
Frisco Christmas Lights http://tinyurl.com/2noh9a
Christmas Lights Gone Wild http://tinyurl.com/2hlcj6

Merry Christmas!