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[FairfieldLife] Re: If you had to be a true believer, which one would you be?

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_re...@... wrote:

 correct L.Shaddai-- definitely a group of little boys and 
 girls with Barry as the ringleader, playing out their school 
 yard routine, over and over again, including Vaj. 
 ...
 isn't there something just plain wrong with that picture??   

Jim gets a little panicky when the only person
on the forum who still claims to believe that
ed11 isn't Jim has posted out for the week, and 
can't step in to defend him.  :-)

Me, I'll allow him to rant however he wants. I
don't quite understand what he *gets* out of
this pretending-to-be-a-woman thang, but it
obviously gets him off on some level. Maybe 
it's one of those guru-bhakti gay things. 
Whatever. I wish him well with it.

What I don't quite understand is how in *his*
mind he resolves posing as a woman on FFL with
being enlightened. In *all three* of his
incarnations on FFL -- jim_flanegin, sandiego,
and enlightened_dawn -- he has claimed to be
enlightened. And yet in this most recent incar-
nation as ed11, he has lied by omission (by 
allowing people to believe he's a woman) and
by commission (by lying outright about who he
is and where he lives) many times. HOW does
he resolve doing that with still claiming to
be enlightened?

Is it that Jim's view of enlightenment is
that it isn't wrong to lie to people who are
not as enlightened as he is? 

He'd certainly be in good company if that's the
explanation. Maharishi certainly believed that.
Nabby certainly believes that. Judy believes it
strongly enough to defend withholding information
from prospective TM students. 

So maybe Jim dressing up as a woman (in a cyber 
kinda way) as ed11 and pretending to be something 
he's not is just the logical extension of Jim
dressing up as Jim Flanegin and pretending to
be something he's not -- enlightened. If one has
invested years in trying to sell the fantasy that 
he is enlightened, trying to sell the fantasy
that he's a she is not all that different.

Whatever. It's all part of a day's entertainment
here on Fairfield Life.

[FairfieldLife] Indian Institute of Scientific Heritage!

[cardemaister]

http://www.iish.org/

[FairfieldLife] The definitive proof that TM is not in any way religious

[TurquoiseB]

From the Maharishi Channel, thanks to TM-Free:

http://tmfree.blogspot.com/2009/04/still-not-religion-video-of-puja.html

This page contains an embedded video of Maharishi
leading a group performance of the TM puja, sur-
rounded by the Rajas in full costume. 

I'm sorry that I can't figure out a way to post 
a direct link to just the video, but it's embedded
in such a way that I don't know how to do that.

For those who see nothing the least bit religious
about the TM puja or the way that the 'Rajas' dress
and conduct themselves, this video should reinforce
those beliefs.

For those who believe that just maybe what this
video captures is very much religious indeed, it
should reinforce *those* beliefs.

Compare and contrast this videotaped occasion and
*its* style and presentation with the current 
cleaned up style and presentation of the tm.org
website and the new face that the TMO wants to 
show the public following the recent DLF concert. 
Whatever your beliefs, ask yourself WHY they want
to present this new face.

Whatever your stance about the TM is/isn't a 
religion issue, ask yourself, If the TMO was
proud enough of this occasion to broadcast it on
its 'Maharishi Channel,' why don't they place this
or similar videos on the tm.org website, so that
all of the million kids they hope to teach TM to
can see a preview of the ceremony they will soon
be participating in?

Further ask yourself, If the TM Rajas dress this
way normally, why didn't they dress this way at
the DLF concert?

Maybe think about Maharishi's introduction itself,
We have the opportunity to do puja to Guru Dev.
Notice the language: TO Guru Dev. Compare and
contrast to some of the descriptions of the puja
and what it's about that have been presented here
on Fairfield Life.

Ponder recent claims that kneeling is kneeling
and that it's not really a bowing down to what
these practitioners of the TM puja do at 09:35 into
the video. The person who created the puja and in
this video defines it as a ceremony TO Guru Dev,
and the costumed leaders of the TM movement that
surround him seem to have a slightly different
interpretation of what 'namah' means and how to
demonstrate it than the person who said kneeling
is kneeling. Looks a lot like bowing down to me.

Check out the paintings on the walls and the way
that the room is decorated.

Check out the scene at 00:35 into the video and
the guy seated on a raised dias, higher than Maha-
rishi, and how he is dressed and the offerings and
adornments laid out at his feet. Dat's Da King,
the current leader of the TM movement. Nothing 
religious about him and how *he* is presented and
treated and his relationship to other people, 
right?

Enjoy, in whatever fashion you choose to enjoy it...

[FairfieldLife] Re: 900 Pandits

[Hugo]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk kirk_bernha...@... wrote:

 Ah, my experience is that yagyas have an effect. But then I do have them 
 done and I don't just spout off about them without ever having had one.
 
 Some people get on a flippant roll and think they actually are saying 
 something.

Let's do a double-blind test just to see if what you
experience is anything other than what you might expect 
to experience having coughed up all those sponduliks.

I am happy to make a prediction: Nothing will happen.
This sin't flippant it's just that I know a lot of
people who have also had yagyas and I detect a certain
desperation in their attempts to justify the fact they didn't
get what they paid for. For instance, I knew a girl who
had five health yagyas, at several thousand dollars, a pop
to cure her of migraine. It didn't work, but she was convinced
it was working at a level she wasn't aware of (?)

This is the research that David Orme Johnson should be doing.

 
 - Original Message - 
 From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 1:40 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 900 Pandits
 
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk kirk_bernhardt@ wrote:
 
  I am sorry but this whole Maharishi gayness thread is wa off track as
  pertains to any sort of import.  My original question, I thought, was 
  much
  more ineresting and would provide much more insight into mechanics of
  consciousness than this flubber.
 
  You talking about my stomach or my argument?  I want you to know that I 
  have a perfectly good set of six pack abs under there which I am 
  protecting with that layer contributed mostly by members of the porcine 
  product line.  When I grow it thick enough I'm gunna cure it into bacon.
 
 
  My question was, does the ethos of the individual pundit effect the 
  outcome  of a yagya?
 
  No.  The outcome is equally nil except as a believe enhancing ritual for 
  the participants and whoever was unlucky enough to give their money to 
  have it done.
 
 
  What do you all think? Or is everyone so caught up in their
  maras
 
  First of all it was Mara who ordered all those disgusting lemon drop shots 
  and it was Mara who conveniently spilled one on her tank top turning her 
  headlights on and which lead me to invite her back to my place where she 
  ate everything in my fridge and then puked into the cat litter box putting 
  an end to any designs I had on her at the beginning of the evening.
 
  that they can't think coherently any longer?
 
  My guess is yes.
 
  Well you got that right.  Functioning while not being able to think 
  coherently is a bit of a hobby for me.  My favorite is attempting to 
  perform music that way.
 
 
 
  Anyway, neverthefuckmind. it's all theory, and therefore as specious as 
  the
  present argument. I'll come back tomorrow when people wake up - 
  hopefully.
 
  And after I get all that Mara puke out of my cat box, hopefully.
 
 
 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 10:13 AM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 900 Pandits
 
 
   curtisdeltablues  wrote:
   So you are still missing the point?  It is the hypocrisy of his 
   position
   on gayness that I am criticizing. Not that he might be gay.  You remind 
   me
   of my cats Judy.  When I point my finger at a treat, they look at my
   finger.
  
   Curtis,
  
   Now that was funny.  Judy in a nutshellemphasis on the word 
   shell.
  
   I'm continually amazed that you debate her when you know it will come 
   to
   naught in terms of helping her evolve her POV.
  
   I'm guessing that you do it as an intellectual exercise for your own
   benefit -- practice makes clarity.
  
   Edg
  
  
  
   
  
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Top Ten Questions To Ask Yourself Before Becoming A Somali Pirate

[Hugo]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffl...@... wrote:


 Top Ten Questions To Ask Yourself Before Becoming A Somali Pirate


Or how about complaining to the UN about the miserable state
Somalia has been allowed to fall into and the illegal 
exploitation of resources by rich civilised countries:

Following the massive tsunami of December 2004, there have also emerged 
allegations that after the outbreak of the Somali Civil War in the late 1980s, 
Somalia's long, remote shoreline was used as a dump site for the disposal of 
everything from uranium radioactive waste, to industrial waste, to hospital and 
chemical wastes. The huge waves which battered northern Somalia after the 
tsunami are believed to have stirred up tonnes of nuclear and toxic waste that 
was illegally dumped in the country by several European firms. The European 
Green Party followed up these revelations by presenting before the press and 
the European Parliament in Strasbourg copies of contracts signed by two 
European companies -- the Italian Swiss firm, Achair Partners, and an Italian 
waste broker, Progresso -- and representatives of the warlords then in power, 
to accept 10 million tonnes of toxic waste in exchange for $80 million (then 
about £60 million). According to reports by the United Nations Environment 
Programme (UNEP), the waste has resulted in far higher than normal cases of 
respiratory infections, mouth ulcers and bleeding, abdominal haemorrhages and 
unusual skin infections among many inhabitants of the areas around the 
northeastern towns of Hobbio and Benadir on the Indian Ocean coast -- diseases 
consistent with radiation sickness. UNEP continues that the current situation 
along the Somali coastline poses a very serious environmental hazard not only 
in Somalia but also in the eastern Africa sub-region. The intentions of these 
pirates are not concerned with protecting their environment, the UN envoy for 
Somalia Ahmedou Ould-Abdallah said.[28][29][30] At the same time, illegal 
trawlers began fishing Somalia's seas with an estimated $300 million of tuna, 
shrimp, and lobster being taken each year depleting stocks previously available 
to local fishermen. Through interception with speedboats, Somali fishermen 
tried to either dissuade the dumpers and trawlers or levy a tax on them as 
compensation. In an interview, Sugule Ali, one of the pirate leaders explained 
We don't consider ourselves sea bandits. We consider sea bandits (to be) those 
who illegally fish and dump in our seas. Peter Lehr, a Somalia piracy expert 
at the University of St. Andrews says It's almost like a resource swap, 
Somalis collect up to $100 million a year from pirate ransoms off their coasts 
and the Europeans and Asians poach around $300 million a year in fish from 
Somali waters.[31][32]

From: 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piracy_in_Somalia

 
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Is piracy a recession-proof industry?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 How am I at ducking sniper fire?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Is there enough swash in my buckle?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Before committing, should I temp as a pirate?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Am I doing this just to get babes?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Is there an all-inclusive meal plan?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Will I get to meet Johnny Depp?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Will I get along with Ross Ohlendorf? (Sorry, that's a question to ask 
 yourself before becoming a Pittsburgh Pirate)
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Is there more opportunity for advancement in Al Qaeda?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 How's the commute from Jersey?
 
 Love will swallow you, eat you up completely, until there is no `you,' only 
 love. 
  
 - Amma 

[FairfieldLife] Re: 900 Pandits

[Richard M]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
curtisdeltabl...@... wrote:
 
 I don't believe that causality is ever experienced.  It is 
 belief that bridges the cause and the effect in a person's mind.

Very elegantly put.

But it leads to a wicked thought. Doesn't that make the idea of 
causality and scientific law as much a PROJECTION on to the
shit that happens as is, say, the idea of deities, sprites, spirits,
and other superstitious what-not? They're just alternative
language games for the same thing (stuff-that-happens)? You
choose the one that floats your boat best down the shit stream. But the 
one you choose is not necessarily TRUE, it's just the one that's more 
or less able to get you from your chosen A to your chosen B?

Curtis -  I thought you had a more progessive epistemology than that!


  But then I do have them 
  done and I don't just spout off about them without ever having had 
one.
 
 I actually have had a few and was there in person. Very enjoyable.  
They have all sorts of benifits other than the claimed results.  I'm 
not selling you my POV, but it wasn't gained by me being never having 
had one.
 
 
 
  
  Some people get on a flippant roll and think they actually are 
saying 
  something.
  
  - Original Message - 
  From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 1:40 PM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 900 Pandits
  
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk kirk_bernhardt@ 
wrote:
  
   I am sorry but this whole Maharishi gayness thread is wa off 
track as
   pertains to any sort of import.  My original question, I 
thought, was 
   much
   more ineresting and would provide much more insight into 
mechanics of
   consciousness than this flubber.
  
   You talking about my stomach or my argument?  I want you to know 
that I 
   have a perfectly good set of six pack abs under there which I am 
   protecting with that layer contributed mostly by members of the 
porcine 
   product line.  When I grow it thick enough I'm gunna cure it into 
bacon.
  
  
   My question was, does the ethos of the individual pundit effect 
the 
   outcome  of a yagya?
  
   No.  The outcome is equally nil except as a believe enhancing 
ritual for 
   the participants and whoever was unlucky enough to give their 
money to 
   have it done.
  
  
   What do you all think? Or is everyone so caught up in their
   maras
  
   First of all it was Mara who ordered all those disgusting lemon 
drop shots 
   and it was Mara who conveniently spilled one on her tank top 
turning her 
   headlights on and which lead me to invite her back to my place 
where she 
   ate everything in my fridge and then puked into the cat litter 
box putting 
   an end to any designs I had on her at the beginning of the 
evening.
  
   that they can't think coherently any longer?
  
   My guess is yes.
  
   Well you got that right.  Functioning while not being able to 
think 
   coherently is a bit of a hobby for me.  My favorite is attempting 
to 
   perform music that way.
  
  
  
   Anyway, neverthefuckmind. it's all theory, and therefore as 
specious as 
   the
   present argument. I'll come back tomorrow when people wake up - 
   hopefully.
  
   And after I get all that Mara puke out of my cat box, hopefully.
  
  
  
   - Original Message - 
   From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com
   To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 10:13 AM
   Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 900 Pandits
  
  
curtisdeltablues  wrote:
So you are still missing the point?  It is the hypocrisy of 
his 
position
on gayness that I am criticizing. Not that he might be gay.  
You remind 
me
of my cats Judy.  When I point my finger at a treat, they look 
at my
finger.
   
Curtis,
   
Now that was funny.  Judy in a nutshellemphasis on the 
word 
shell.
   
I'm continually amazed that you debate her when you know it 
will come 
to
naught in terms of helping her evolve her POV.
   
I'm guessing that you do it as an intellectual exercise for 
your own
benefit -- practice makes clarity.
   
Edg
   
   
   

   
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The ...proof that TM is not ...religious. And that Drinking Wine is Catholic

[grate . swan]

And drinking wine is totally Catholic! 

Have you seen the funny hats their leaders wear? And the weird ceremonies?! 
They believe wine to be the blood of God. Not just the name of God -- like 
those crazy mixed up Meditationists, but 10 steps above that in crazy religio 
talk -- they give out wine as the Blood of God. Far more twisted than those 
cheap bastard Meditationsts who just give out measly names of gods. 

So clearly mantras and wine are religious things, they are the name and form of 
God. Thats what the people who give them out say. Ergo meditating and drinking 
are religions.  

(Mind you, like richard and maybe curtis, I think causation is just a 
projection, so I can't be for sure they are really giving them out, just 
that the mantras and wine are found out  and the Catholics and the 
Meditationists were found giving -- so I project onto it all they are giving 
out -- but causality, thats another story) 

So, no more wine in schools! We cannot have these religious acts in publicly 
funded schools - it violates the constitution man! (or so I have been told, I 
haven't actually read the darn thing.)

And those wine bars!! Luring in innocents by getting all gussied up and 
secular. But they are just fronts to lure in the innocents to get them drinking 
wine -- and next thing you know they wake up with a huge funny hat on their 
head. You know, that insidious practice far out eclipes those secular looking 
religious fronts known as meditation centers that those crazy Meditationists 
put up all over the place. 

So ban wine from public schools! Particularly the boxed kind -- thats so 
trailer park! (Not that I can precisely link the banning with the absence 
of wine in schools. Jesus, I am not even sure there are schools -- that might 
all be my projection too. Maybe Jim knows.)

But one thing I AM sure of: the practice of meditation and of drinking wine in 
the home are absolutely related to and based on the crazy inner worlds of the 
groups that give them out. Crazy religious practices. I mean that's 
fundamental. No projection there! 

And don't get me going on football games. Did you know that the players huddle 
around (so gay!) and pray just before the games. And some  KNEEL! Kneeling man! 
Thats the core of all religious acts. 
They pray and kneel IN schools just before those religious pagents known by 
their secular disguise -- football games. No more religious based football 
games in schools! 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote:

 From the Maharishi Channel, thanks to TM-Free:
 
 http://tmfree.blogspot.com/2009/04/still-not-religion-video-of-puja.html
 
 This page contains an embedded video of Maharishi
 leading a group performance of the TM puja, sur-
 rounded by the Rajas in full costume. 
 
 I'm sorry that I can't figure out a way to post 
 a direct link to just the video, but it's embedded
 in such a way that I don't know how to do that.
 
 For those who see nothing the least bit religious
 about the TM puja or the way that the 'Rajas' dress
 and conduct themselves, this video should reinforce
 those beliefs.
 
 For those who believe that just maybe what this
 video captures is very much religious indeed, it
 should reinforce *those* beliefs.
 
 Compare and contrast this videotaped occasion and
 *its* style and presentation with the current 
 cleaned up style and presentation of the tm.org
 website and the new face that the TMO wants to 
 show the public following the recent DLF concert. 
 Whatever your beliefs, ask yourself WHY they want
 to present this new face.
 
 Whatever your stance about the TM is/isn't a 
 religion issue, ask yourself, If the TMO was
 proud enough of this occasion to broadcast it on
 its 'Maharishi Channel,' why don't they place this
 or similar videos on the tm.org website, so that
 all of the million kids they hope to teach TM to
 can see a preview of the ceremony they will soon
 be participating in?
 
 Further ask yourself, If the TM Rajas dress this
 way normally, why didn't they dress this way at
 the DLF concert?
 
 Maybe think about Maharishi's introduction itself,
 We have the opportunity to do puja to Guru Dev.
 Notice the language: TO Guru Dev. Compare and
 contrast to some of the descriptions of the puja
 and what it's about that have been presented here
 on Fairfield Life.
 
 Ponder recent claims that kneeling is kneeling
 and that it's not really a bowing down to what
 these practitioners of the TM puja do at 09:35 into
 the video. The person who created the puja and in
 this video defines it as a ceremony TO Guru Dev,
 and the costumed leaders of the TM movement that
 surround him seem to have a slightly different
 interpretation of what 'namah' means and how to
 demonstrate it than the person who said kneeling
 is kneeling. Looks a lot like bowing down to me.
 
 Check out the paintings on the walls and the way
 that the room is decorated.
 
 Check out the scene at 00:35 into the video and
 the guy seated on 

[FairfieldLife] Re: If you had to be a true believer, which one would you be?

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willytex@ 
   wrote:
   
TurquoiseB wrote:
 I am definitely NOT a Buddhist...

From: Uncle Tantra
Subject: Re: The Disappearing Of Aran A. Mous 
Newsgroups: alt.dreams.castaneda
Date: March, 12, 2003 

I'm a Buddhist.
   
   Where do you get all this stuff from RJ?
   
   Do you remember it all or do you go in search of
   hopefully embarrassing quotes when someone you don't
   like posts something. Seems like a lot of work either
   way.
   
   More to the point, are you going to be quoting me at 
   myself in ten years time with irrelevant drivel I posted
   here whilst bored on a tea break or waiting for The Simpsons
   to start?
  
  I tend to write spontaneously, when I have something 
  that catches my attention, and I want to make a point, 
  or further the discussion, or dispute something I feel 
  is off track or doesn't make sense...
  Sometimes I research to see if there is anything more 
  I can find on a subject, to clarify my point...
  I assure you, my intention is not to dredge up some 
  drivel, and I really have no interest in watching the 
  Simpsons, as I think it's stupid.
  R.G.
 
 Are Robert Babaji and Richard J Williams really the 
 same person? Wow, I didn't see that coming!
 
 And ed 11 turns out to be Jim. What next, is Barry 
 really Judy? I need to know before my tea break ends.

Busted.

The truth has finally been revealed. 

And the deception is deeper and more extensive
than even you suspect.

Not only is the person posting as 'Judy Stein'
or 'authfriend' really the same person posting
as 'TurquoiseB' or 'Barry Wright,' both of them
are really Jim.

'Willytex' (Richard J. Williams) is really Jim.

RJ (Robert/'Babaji') is really Jim. 

Curtis is really Jim and Sal is really Jim and 
Nabby is really Jim.

In fact, there is some possibility that YOU are
really Jim, and that you would realize this if
you were just as enlightened as Jim is.

It's a kind of mahavakya realization: I am Jim.
Thou are Jim. All this is nothing but Jim.

And *ALL* of us are ambivalent about our sexual
orientation.

:-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: If you had to be a true believer, which one would you be?

[Hugo]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willytex@ 
  wrote:
  
   TurquoiseB wrote:
I am definitely NOT a Buddhist...
   
   From: Uncle Tantra
   Subject: Re: The Disappearing Of Aran A. Mous 
   Newsgroups: alt.dreams.castaneda
   Date: March, 12, 2003 
   
   I'm a Buddhist.
  
  
  
  Where do you get all this stuff from RJ?
  
  Do you remember it all or do you go in search of
  hopefully embarrassing quotes when someone you don't
  like posts something. Seems like a lot of work either
  way.
  
  More to the point, are you going to be quoting me at 
  myself in ten years time with irrelevant drivel I posted
  here whilst bored on a tea break or waiting for The Simpsons
  to start?
 
 I tend to write spontaneously, when I have something that catches my 
 attention, and I want to make a point, or further the discussion, or dispute 
 something I feel is off track or doesn't make sense...
 Sometimes I research to see if there is anything more I can find on a 
 subject, to clarify my point...
 I assure you, my intention is not to dredge up some drivel, and I really have 
 no interest in watching the Simpsons, as I think it's stupid.
 R.G.



Are Robert Babaji and Richard J Williams really the same person?
Wow, I didn't see that coming!

And ed 11 turns out to be Jim. What next, is Barry really Judy?
I need to know before my tea break ends.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The ...proof that TM is not ...religious. And that Drinking Wine is Catholic

[Richard M]

Ha! 

All this put me in mind of that funny ceremony when the navy launches
a new ship.

In the UK, with what's left of our Royal Navy, when a new ship of the
line is launched, we have our Queen breaking a champagne bottle over
the bow. God bless this ship and all who sail in her. 

And of course if the bottle fails to break, she's an unlucky
ship. (She - what's that all about, eh?).

I wonder if the good folks of our land are aware of this religious
indoctrination of their sons and daughters? They should be told!

What superstitions are US sailors obliged to take part in?



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_re...@... wrote:

 And drinking wine is totally Catholic! 
 
 Have you seen the funny hats their leaders wear? And the weird 
ceremonies?! They believe wine to be the blood of God. Not just the 
name of God -- like those crazy mixed up Meditationists, but 10 steps 
above that in crazy religio talk -- they give out wine as the Blood of 
God. Far more twisted than those cheap bastard Meditationsts who just 
give out measly names of gods. 
 
 So clearly mantras and wine are religious things, they are the name 
and form of God. Thats what the people who give them out say. Ergo 
meditating and drinking are religions.  
 
 (Mind you, like richard and maybe curtis, I think causation is just a 
projection, so I can't be for sure they are really giving them out, 
just that the mantras and wine are found out  and the Catholics and 
the Meditationists were found giving -- so I project onto it all they 
are giving out -- but causality, thats another story) 
 
 So, no more wine in schools! We cannot have these religious acts in 
publicly funded schools - it violates the constitution man! (or so I 
have been told, I haven't actually read the darn thing.)
 
 And those wine bars!! Luring in innocents by getting all gussied up 
and secular. But they are just fronts to lure in the innocents to get 
them drinking wine -- and next thing you know they wake up with a huge 
funny hat on their head. You know, that insidious practice far out 
eclipes those secular looking religious fronts known as meditation 
centers that those crazy Meditationists put up all over the place. 
 
 So ban wine from public schools! Particularly the boxed kind -- thats 
so trailer park! (Not that I can precisely link the banning with the 
absence of wine in schools. Jesus, I am not even sure there are 
schools -- that might all be my projection too. Maybe Jim knows.)
 
 But one thing I AM sure of: the practice of meditation and of 
drinking wine in the home are absolutely related to and based on the 
crazy inner worlds of the groups that give them out. Crazy religious 
practices. I mean that's fundamental. No projection there! 
 
 And don't get me going on football games. Did you know that the 
players huddle around (so gay!) and pray just before the games. And 
some  KNEEL! Kneeling man! Thats the core of all religious acts. 
 They pray and kneel IN schools just before those religious pagents 
known by their secular disguise -- football games. No more religious 
based football games in schools! 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
 
  From the Maharishi Channel, thanks to TM-Free:
  
  http://tmfree.blogspot.com/2009/04/still-not-religion-video-of-
puja.html
  
  This page contains an embedded video of Maharishi
  leading a group performance of the TM puja, sur-
  rounded by the Rajas in full costume. 
  
  I'm sorry that I can't figure out a way to post 
  a direct link to just the video, but it's embedded
  in such a way that I don't know how to do that.
  
  For those who see nothing the least bit religious
  about the TM puja or the way that the 'Rajas' dress
  and conduct themselves, this video should reinforce
  those beliefs.
  
  For those who believe that just maybe what this
  video captures is very much religious indeed, it
  should reinforce *those* beliefs.
  
  Compare and contrast this videotaped occasion and
  *its* style and presentation with the current 
  cleaned up style and presentation of the tm.org
  website and the new face that the TMO wants to 
  show the public following the recent DLF concert. 
  Whatever your beliefs, ask yourself WHY they want
  to present this new face.
  
  Whatever your stance about the TM is/isn't a 
  religion issue, ask yourself, If the TMO was
  proud enough of this occasion to broadcast it on
  its 'Maharishi Channel,' why don't they place this
  or similar videos on the tm.org website, so that
  all of the million kids they hope to teach TM to
  can see a preview of the ceremony they will soon
  be participating in?
  
  Further ask yourself, If the TM Rajas dress this
  way normally, why didn't they dress this way at
  the DLF concert?
  
  Maybe think about Maharishi's introduction itself,
  We have the opportunity to do puja to Guru Dev.
  Notice the language: TO Guru Dev. Compare and
  contrast to some of the descriptions of the puja
  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 900 Pandits

[Kirk]

- Original Message - 
From: Hugo richardhughes...@hotmail.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 4:09 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 900 Pandits


 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk kirk_bernha...@... wrote:

 Ah, my experience is that yagyas have an effect. But then I do have them
 done and I don't just spout off about them without ever having had one.

 Some people get on a flippant roll and think they actually are saying
 something.

 Let's do a double-blind test just to see if what you
 experience is anything other than what you might expect
 to experience having coughed up all those sponduliks.

 I am happy to make a prediction: Nothing will happen.
 This sin't flippant it's just that I know a lot of
 people who have also had yagyas and I detect a certain
 desperation in their attempts to justify the fact they didn't
 get what they paid for. For instance, I knew a girl who
 had five health yagyas, at several thousand dollars, a pop
 to cure her of migraine. It didn't work, but she was convinced
 it was working at a level she wasn't aware of (?)

 This is the research that David Orme Johnson should be doing.


-So, I don't expect them to do anything. I consider them an adjunct to 
my own practice whereby I am somehow amped up and feel more clear.  Also, I 
don't shell out much as my yagya group allows me to pay what I wish.  I 
don't even necessarily believe in Gods at all. But I do believe in the power 
of human attention, and paying others to place their attention on ones 
higher nature has an impact.

Fact is, I feel them and it's not based in autosuggection to me. But I 
cannot make anyone else believe that. Nor do I care to. Yagyas fit into my 
way of thinking, even as a Buddhist.  As for Maharishi yagyas I have never 
heard anything good about them.  But I have had some wild experiences with 
them when I had alot of them going at once. In fact it was too much for me 
and I became insomniac for 6 months. Now I just have one group doing one 
yagya a day for me, in part of a group yagya.  It costs me about a dollar a 
day. So do contact lenses. I pay five bucks a day for a pack of smokes, so 
I'm not worried about the money. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: The ...proof that TM is not ...religious. And that Drinking Wine is Catholic

[Robert]

 (snip)
 So clearly mantras and wine are religious things, they are the name and form 
 of God. Thats what the people who give them out say. Ergo meditating and 
 drinking are religions.  
(snip)
The wine used in the Roman Mass, is not the wine you buy in the store.
There is a magical thinking, in that the Priest has the power to turn the wine 
to the 'Blood of Christ'...
Wafers are also given out after the Priest declares them: 'The body of Christ.
In a way, it is similar, at least in the mind of the Roman believer, that the 
wine and wafer are somehow imbided with Holy Spirit, or Shakti, and this is 
what is the mantra of the Roman Church.

Same with TM. You can't buy it in the store.
It is available after the ceremony to imbibe it with the qualities of Shakti, 
or the Holy Spirit...

So, for believers, the Roman Mass can be a powerful thing, since they have been 
so invested in the process since childhood, in many cases.

As for TM'ers...there is not much of an indocrination, and the puja, is much 
more effective in raising the Shakti, then relying on the Roman trinkets, in my 
opinion.

Bigger is not necessarily better, except in Rome, where collassus is the way...

TM is a more humble, effective teaching than using wine and wafers as your 
mantrathey both dissappear in your mouth, without much transcending.

The 'Hail Mary' mantra, also, does not allow one to transcend as easily at all, 
as it is more robotic, if you have heard it.

The 'Our Father' also used as a mantra, for me, is better done once, with a 
clear intention, then chanted in a mindless way...

The reason the Roman Church has been so uneffective in raising consiousness, is 
because it is superficial, appealing to and controlling the masses...
What a shame, deeper knowledge of what Jesus taught, was locked away somewhere, 
long ago.
R.G.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Thom Hartmann and Alex Jones Simulcast

[Richard J. Williams]

  According to what I've read, in early 2000 Jones 
  was one of seven Republican candidates for state 
  representative in Texas House District 48, an 
  open seat swing district based in Austin, Texas.
 
Bhairitu wrote: 
 Nope. Alex is in his early to mid 30's and does get 
 confused with that individual.

Maybe, but I don't think so.

Jones was born in Parkland Hospital in Dallas, Texas,
and grew up in the suburb of Rockwall. He graduated 
from Anderson High School in northwest Austin, Texas 
in 1993.

Alexander Emerick Jones:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Jones_(radio)

Prison Planet:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/

[FairfieldLife] Re: If you had to be a true believer, which one would you be?

[enlightened_dawn11]

not a word about your pathetic practices here? all you can do is try to shoot 
the messenger? wow, you are farther gone than any of us could even 
imagine...and -i- am the one who is panicking? lol

Barry: yeahtrue, i haven't done TM in 30 years, and anyone that calls me 
on it is going to get a whole lot of anger and invective aimed at them...

Barry: that's right...haven't done TM in 30 years...BECAUSE I WANT TO KEEP 
POSTING ABOUT IT!!!

Barry: why not respond to the facts? because i don't want to, that's 
why...like i said, do YOU PRACTICE TM?! I SAID DO YOU PRACTICE TM??? I CAN 
CRITICIZE TM AS LONG AS I WANT!!!

Barry: what is wrong with posting 50 times a week about something i haven't 
done for thirty years?!?! YOU ARE A TRUE BELIEVER!!! TRUE BELIEVER!!! TRUE 
BELIEVER!!!

Barry: No, it IS sane to do this! stop asking me about it! Stop asking  me 
about it before i throw a tantrum and go after all of you!

Barry: hey, stop that! ...what a minute...you're laughing WITH me, not AT me, 
right? RIGHT???! RIGHT???!??!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_reply@ wrote:
 
  correct L.Shaddai-- definitely a group of little boys and 
  girls with Barry as the ringleader, playing out their school 
  yard routine, over and over again, including Vaj. 
  ...
  isn't there something just plain wrong with that picture??   
 
 Jim gets a little panicky when the only person
 on the forum who still claims to believe that
 ed11 isn't Jim has posted out for the week, and 
 can't step in to defend him.  :-)
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Vyagra?

[Robert]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_re...@... wrote:

 
 I seem to recall one common feature between TM and Viagra
 is nitric oxide? Is that so, or is it not?
 
 Just occurred to me when I once again realized that a positive
 development of my shares sometimes makes me disturbingly horny.
 Prolly has something to do with testosterone levels...
 
 Capeller's Sanskrit-English Dictionary: 
 
 vyagra [vi + agra - card] a. having no certain point or aim, 
 unconcentrated, distracted, perplexed, bewildered; quite occupied with, 
 eagerly engaged in (instr., loc., or ---).

I don't believe that Viagra, or the others, have much to do with creating or 
enhancing testosterone...
It has more to do with allowing the arteries to expand, from my experience.
I took it once, in Mexico a few years ago, and didn't like the effect.
Seemed very superficial, in that it made my face feel flush, and blood flow 
increase, without feeling any expansion of feelings in any way...purely a 
physical response. I didn't like the effect, and wouldn't take it again.

TM has also been found to relax the blood vessels, naturally.

I prefer herbs like Ginseng, Saw Palmetto and Ginko Baloba as these seem to 
increase Shakti, instead of just expanding blood vessels.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The ...proof that TM is not ...religious. And that Drinking Wine is Catholic

[enlightened_dawn11]

Ha Ha-- by the way, i recently discovered a great sauvignon blanc by the De 
Sante label. not too dry, with subtle tropical flavors. 

also a prosecco (italian sparkling wine) from Bollicini. small bubbles and not 
too sweet.

...and i admit i do TM too...so two strikes against me...no wait, i also own a 
CROSS pen... 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_re...@... wrote:

 And drinking wine is totally Catholic! 
 
 Have you seen the funny hats their leaders wear? And the weird ceremonies?! 
 They believe wine to be the blood of God. Not just the name of God -- like 
 those crazy mixed up Meditationists, but 10 steps above that in crazy religio 
 talk -- they give out wine as the Blood of God. Far more twisted than those 
 cheap bastard Meditationsts who just give out measly names of gods. 
 
 So clearly mantras and wine are religious things, they are the name and form 
 of God. Thats what the people who give them out say. Ergo meditating and 
 drinking are religions.  
 
 (Mind you, like richard and maybe curtis, I think causation is just a 
 projection, so I can't be for sure they are really giving them out, just 
 that the mantras and wine are found out  and the Catholics and the 
 Meditationists were found giving -- so I project onto it all they are 
 giving out -- but causality, thats another story) 
 
 So, no more wine in schools! We cannot have these religious acts in publicly 
 funded schools - it violates the constitution man! (or so I have been told, I 
 haven't actually read the darn thing.)
 
 And those wine bars!! Luring in innocents by getting all gussied up and 
 secular. But they are just fronts to lure in the innocents to get them 
 drinking wine -- and next thing you know they wake up with a huge funny hat 
 on their head. You know, that insidious practice far out eclipes those 
 secular looking religious fronts known as meditation centers that those crazy 
 Meditationists put up all over the place. 
 
 So ban wine from public schools! Particularly the boxed kind -- thats so 
 trailer park! (Not that I can precisely link the banning with the absence 
 of wine in schools. Jesus, I am not even sure there are schools -- that might 
 all be my projection too. Maybe Jim knows.)
 
 But one thing I AM sure of: the practice of meditation and of drinking wine 
 in the home are absolutely related to and based on the crazy inner worlds of 
 the groups that give them out. Crazy religious practices. I mean that's 
 fundamental. No projection there! 
 
 And don't get me going on football games. Did you know that the players 
 huddle around (so gay!) and pray just before the games. And some  KNEEL! 
 Kneeling man! Thats the core of all religious acts. 
 They pray and kneel IN schools just before those religious pagents known by 
 their secular disguise -- football games. No more religious based football 
 games in schools! 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
 
  From the Maharishi Channel, thanks to TM-Free:
  
  http://tmfree.blogspot.com/2009/04/still-not-religion-video-of-puja.html
  
  This page contains an embedded video of Maharishi
  leading a group performance of the TM puja, sur-
  rounded by the Rajas in full costume. 
  
  I'm sorry that I can't figure out a way to post 
  a direct link to just the video, but it's embedded
  in such a way that I don't know how to do that.
  
  For those who see nothing the least bit religious
  about the TM puja or the way that the 'Rajas' dress
  and conduct themselves, this video should reinforce
  those beliefs.
  
  For those who believe that just maybe what this
  video captures is very much religious indeed, it
  should reinforce *those* beliefs.
  
  Compare and contrast this videotaped occasion and
  *its* style and presentation with the current 
  cleaned up style and presentation of the tm.org
  website and the new face that the TMO wants to 
  show the public following the recent DLF concert. 
  Whatever your beliefs, ask yourself WHY they want
  to present this new face.
  
  Whatever your stance about the TM is/isn't a 
  religion issue, ask yourself, If the TMO was
  proud enough of this occasion to broadcast it on
  its 'Maharishi Channel,' why don't they place this
  or similar videos on the tm.org website, so that
  all of the million kids they hope to teach TM to
  can see a preview of the ceremony they will soon
  be participating in?
  
  Further ask yourself, If the TM Rajas dress this
  way normally, why didn't they dress this way at
  the DLF concert?
  
  Maybe think about Maharishi's introduction itself,
  We have the opportunity to do puja to Guru Dev.
  Notice the language: TO Guru Dev. Compare and
  contrast to some of the descriptions of the puja
  and what it's about that have been presented here
  on Fairfield Life.
  
  Ponder recent claims that kneeling is kneeling
  and that it's not really a bowing down to what
  these practitioners of the TM puja do at 09:35 into
  the 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Homeland Security Warns of Rightwing Extremists

[raunchydog]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_re...@... wrote:

 on the other hand, i am happy to see more balance in the media vs the 
 relentless right wing drumbeat by faux news and CNN that we've been subjected 
 to over the last 8 years. maybe it means extremes at both ends of the 
 spectrum for awhile, but even that is a welcome relief. the Ed Show is quite 
 good.
 

Let us not forget that the Department of Homeland Security is the lovechild of 
the Bush administration made possible by the Patriot Act signed in to law 
October 26, 2001 just 45 days after the September 11, 2001 attack on the World 
Trade Center. The DHS was meant to protect us from them but it can just as 
easily be used against us, the citizenry. This was the objection of the left 
when the DHS was formed, but now that the DHS is whipping up sentiment against 
right-wing extremists, even our veterans, for God's sake, and lumping 
conservative groups together, suddenly, the left thinks the DHS is just what 
this country needs to protect us from us. 

Thanks to Bush's Patriot Act I and II the DHS has broad powers. In a  nutshell, 
you have no rights as a citizen. If the state says you are a terrorist, well, 
too bad, you are a terrorist. Lock 'em up and throw away the key. Bush kissed 
habeas corpus goodbye and it doesn't look like Obama is interested in raising 
it from the dead anytime soon. IMO listening to Ed Schultz is as grating on my 
nerves as listening to Rush Limbaugh. 

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives boo_lives@ wrote:
  
   The report came out just as a right wing militia type extremist killed 
   several policemen and the right wing routinely discusses armed revolt 
   against those it does not like.
   
   The DHS has not harassed one non violent right wing nutcase or puma, so 
   please leave your oppression fantasies aside and teabag in peace.
   
  
  Obama says he won't raise your taxes. Right. He probably won't do it now, 
  but he will have to do it in 2011 on his way out the door because we will 
  be up to our eyeballs in debt.  So here, we have concerned citizens, across 
  party lines, pissed off at both the Democrats and Republicans, having tea 
  parties protesting the indentured servitude they see for their families in 
  the future and all they get is a cheap shot from the Obama toadies at 
  MSNBC, Shuster and Maddow calling them tea-baggers. Real classy.
  
  Tea-bagging Urban Dictionary: The act of dipping a man's ball sack into 
  another person's mouth with the intent of sexual gratification. It can be 
  a heterosexual activity, but usually it is associated with gay men. 
  
  I always find it interesting that the so-called liberal left, defenders of 
  the oppressed, only give lip service to the support of gays and don't see 
  any hypocrisy using a put down of gay men, tea-baggers, to disparage 
  fellow citizens protesting rising taxes and out-of-control government 
  spending. Ever since Obama started running for president, this country has 
  lost it mind, manners and compassion. I always considered myself a 
  progressive, but during the primary, I have never seen more cruelty in 
  politics, threats, intimidation, verbal assaults, sexism, racism, lies and 
  cheating than what Obama has allowed the left to dish out. The blogger boyz 
  and the MSNBC talking heads that have fouled America with the stench of 
  cruelty and disrespect for fellow citizens are despicable.
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] TM and Vyagra?

[Vaj]

On Apr 16, 2009, at 7:18 AM, cardemaister wrote:



I seem to recall one common feature between TM and Viagra
is nitric oxide? Is that so, or is it not?



Permanent or long-lasting higher states of consciousness are related  
to nitric oxide, which is made in many neurons and is part of the way  
the brain learns to remodel.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Homeland Security Warns of Rightwing Extremists

[Richard J. Williams]

Nelson wrote:
 If you disagree with government policy you 
 become a terrorist? Thing are starting to 
 look suspicious - does anyone notice?

Yes, things are starting to look very, very 
suspicious. Barry2 should be looking under
his bed!

Rightwing extremism, the report defines in 
a footnote on Page 2, goes beyond religious 
and racial hate groups and extends to those 
that are mainly anti-government, rejecting 
federal authority in favor of state or local 
authority, or rejecting government authority 
entirely. 

Read more:

'Napolitano stands by 'extremism' report'
By Audrey Hudson
Washington Times, Thursday, April 16, 2009
http://tinyurl.com/cqhzwc

The government considers you a terrorist 
threat if you oppose abortion, own a gun or 
are a returning war veteran.

Read more:

'Chorus of Protest Grows Over Report Warning 
of Right Wing Radicalization'
Fox News, Wednesday, April 15, 2009
http://tinyurl.com/cmbj4h 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Homeland Security Warns of Rightwing Extremists

[Richard J. Williams]

guyfawkes wrote:
 I always find it very strange that the 
 right-wing has these anti-semitic nut jobs...

Yeah, very strange that the Europeans are among 
the most racist groups of people on the planet, 
but it's not surprising, since we've known this
since before WW II.

A poll commissioned by the ADL shows that 33% 
of Europeans blame the Jews for the financial 
meltdown. A mind-boggling 74% Spaniards think 
so.

Read more:

Poated by Glenn Reynolds
Instapundit, February 11, 2009
http://tinyurl.com/b6nqoq

[FairfieldLife] Re: 900 Pandits

[Richard J. Williams]

   It's all just an excuse to spout off and 
   pass the time of day.
  
Kirk wrote:
  More ego here, more often, less valuable
  conversation...
 
Sal Sunshine wrote: 
 You got an ego here, an ego there, and pretty
 soon you're talking real egos!
 
Sal is a case in point, Kirk - all hat, no cattle.

Wasted band space, no insight, nothing of substance,
nothing better to do, I guess. 

[FairfieldLife] Republican Amerika

[do.rflex]

Watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LDvMFcj4tw

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Conspiracy Theories

[Duveyoung]

Curtis,

That's one fine set of responses.  

So, get ready

Ready?

Ready?

THANK GOD FOR NAB!

If not for Nab, how many fewer great smack-backs would we have had posted here?

Think about it.  If someone came here with a new user name and tried to be 
another Nab, why the inauthenticity of the attempt is assured.  Only a Nab 
could be a Nab, and there ain't no other Nabs here but Nab.

Shemp, Off -- eat your hearts out. Nab is the king of nabbiness.

Edg

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote:
 
 snip
  
  Do you want me to take you seriously;
 
 I don't know what that might mean in your fantasy world.
 
  do you want to know where Lincoln is living today ?
 
 He is dead.  He isn't living anywhere now.
 
  I will not tell hillbillies
 
 Ouch! Come one now, poodles are sooo cute and hillbillies aren't ( at least 
 the GUY hillbillies.)  Now the chicks at Petticoat Junction and Elly-May 
 Clampett were lookers.
 
  like you what neighbourhood Lincoln is living in DC today.
 
 Let me guess, someone with an British accent TOLD you this.
 
  You could easily become a security-problem. 
 
 I would ask him to cough up a buck like anyone else walking by me while 
 busking but otherwise I never associate with zombies back from the dead. 
 (After one drink the brain eating always starts.)
 
 In fact from all your unstable comments on FFL you are a walking 
 security-relability.
 
 Well at least I'm not claiming I know where dead people live after their 
 Thriller video rise from the dead.
 
  Many hillbillies are, due to extensive inbreeding.
 
 You will kindly leave my parents out of this conversation.  You couldn't be 
 more wrong about them.
 
  
  Regarding Maitreya; it's far beyond you ability to comprehend, 
  unfortunately. 
 
 Well you got that right.  Like IF God was coming back to straighten out the 
 mess he created here, why would he let YOU in on it?  I find that more 
 incomprehensible than the whole Maitreya nonsense itself.
 
 So we can safely leave that issue out as well. 
 
 And deprive me of your enlightenment?  I'm guessing that the first thing God 
 is gunna do when he gets here is round up nasty pieces of work like you.  
 Remember how UN-elitist Jesus was?  He was all for the commoner, not people 
 like you.  I'm thinking that after a couple of bourbons Maitreya and I will 
 be big buddies and the first bug I'm putting in his ear is to send you and 
 your kind to Calcutta for a lesson in the rest of humanity beneath your 
 upturned nose.
  
  But I do wish you well.
 
 Obviously.  The sincere love came right through the layers of malicious 
 putdowns.  Right through.  Not gunna help you one bit when I get Maitreya on 
 my side though.  Once we start high fiving like old fraternity buddies I'm 
 gunna get him to open a can of old Yaweh cosmic wup ass on you.  Those cans 
 must be getting mighty ripe by now.
 
 
 
 

[FairfieldLife] Samsara and Paramatma

[do.rflex]

The Jiva [soul] has been experiencing samsara [worldliness] for many, many 
births. It is only natural, therefore, that its tendencies have become worldly. 
To turn its tendency toward Paramatma [God] and away from samsara [worldly 
life] requires effort. 

In reality, the aim of life is to stop the mind from involvement with this 
world. If one engages in the spiritual practice of Bhagavan [the Godliness 
manifested] and in thinking and speaking about Him, the mind will start 
dwelling on Him, and after some time, it will withdraw from samsara on its own. 

In our daily affairs we should adopt a strategy of quickly attending to good 
works and things related to the divine. Should any wrong thought arise, on the 
other hand, we should try to postpone it to another time by saying, I'll do it 
tomorrow, or the day after next. In this way, wrong action can be continuously 
postponed. 

~~ Swami Brahmananda Saraswati [Guru Dev]
http://srigurudev.net/gurudev/discourses.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: 900 Pandits

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard M compost...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
 curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
  
  I don't believe that causality is ever experienced.  It is 
  belief that bridges the cause and the effect in a person's mind.
 
 Very elegantly put.
 
 But it leads to a wicked thought. Doesn't that make the idea of 
 causality and scientific law as much a PROJECTION on to the
 shit that happens as is, say, the idea of deities, sprites, spirits,
 and other superstitious what-not? They're just alternative
 language games for the same thing (stuff-that-happens)? You
 choose the one that floats your boat best down the shit stream. But the 
 one you choose is not necessarily TRUE, it's just the one that's more 
 or less able to get you from your chosen A to your chosen B?
 
 Curtis -  I thought you had a more progessive epistemology than that!

Scientific choices are not as random as that. Humans have been at it long 
enough to no longer need to use characters from literature as starting points 
for theories. This shift is historically called the enlightenment which makes 
Maharishi's misuse of his Age of Enlightenment  which proposes going back to 
the pre-reason model, all the more ironically absurd.

You fill in the gaps as best as you can in the scientific method.  You give 
more or less weight to different descriptions as you discover if it applies to 
more areas that strengthen the overall theory. Then you test the shit out of 
all the falsifiable theories you can conjure up.  Occasionally very good 
evidence that cannot be denied comes along and blows your theory up, and a new 
model is necessary to explain it and what you have discovered before.  This is 
happening less and less, not more and more in science, because we do understand 
some stuff pretty well and we are building on that.


Probability, statistics, and vaguely worded unfalsifiable predictions give 
Yagyas all the wiggle room needed for people who already know their effect 
and how they work to find all the evidence they need.  We have so many 
cognitive gaps, and sometimes it is hard to face how poorly we are equipped to 
test such claims, especially after we have paid for them. 

And then you have A-hole scientists who sometimes subvert the process of 
inquiry into a way to support the latest pharmaceutical, only giving the method 
lip service(Not the kind that feels good) for some gold coins with In God We 
Trust stamped on them.

And finally we have a complex mysterious world that has defied our ability to 
achieve complete knowledge with absolute certainty and this makes some people 
so nervous they turn to an explanation from a fairy tale to help them go to 
sleep. 

So epistemological humility is appropriate in facing the world.  But that 
doesn't mean we don't know anything at all.  We just don't everything.  And we 
always have to be on the lookout for things we KNOW that aren't so.  If we care 
about keeping it real, that is.



 
 
   But then I do have them 
   done and I don't just spout off about them without ever having had 
 one.
  
  I actually have had a few and was there in person. Very enjoyable.  
 They have all sorts of benifits other than the claimed results.  I'm 
 not selling you my POV, but it wasn't gained by me being never having 
 had one.
  
  
  
   
   Some people get on a flippant roll and think they actually are 
 saying 
   something.
   
   - Original Message - 
   From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@
   To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 1:40 PM
   Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 900 Pandits
   
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk kirk_bernhardt@ 
 wrote:
   
I am sorry but this whole Maharishi gayness thread is wa off 
 track as
pertains to any sort of import.  My original question, I 
 thought, was 
much
more ineresting and would provide much more insight into 
 mechanics of
consciousness than this flubber.
   
You talking about my stomach or my argument?  I want you to know 
 that I 
have a perfectly good set of six pack abs under there which I am 
protecting with that layer contributed mostly by members of the 
 porcine 
product line.  When I grow it thick enough I'm gunna cure it into 
 bacon.
   
   
My question was, does the ethos of the individual pundit effect 
 the 
outcome  of a yagya?
   
No.  The outcome is equally nil except as a believe enhancing 
 ritual for 
the participants and whoever was unlucky enough to give their 
 money to 
have it done.
   
   
What do you all think? Or is everyone so caught up in their
maras
   
First of all it was Mara who ordered all those disgusting lemon 
 drop shots 
and it was Mara who conveniently spilled one on her tank top 
 turning her 
headlights on and which lead me to invite her back to my place 
 where she 
ate everything in my fridge and then puked 

[FairfieldLife] Tea-bagging on TV

[raunchydog]

Shouldn't the FCC have something to say about sexually graphic language on smut 
TV?

Anderson Cooper: It's hard to talk when you're teabagging
http://tinyurl.com/cnk77g
 
How many tea-bagging puns can you count in this David Schuster rant?:

They want to give President Obama a strong tongue-lashing and lick government 
spending – spending they did not oppose when they were under presidents Bush 
and Reagan, Shuster continued. They oppose Mr. Obama's tax rates – which will 
be lower for most of them -- and they oppose the tax increases Mr. Obama is 
imposing on the rich, whose taxes will skyrocket to a rate about 10 percent 
less than it was under Reagan. That's teabagging in a nut shell. 

We can only speculate why widespread teabagging made [Neil] Cavuto think of 
the Million Man March, unless he got them confused with Dick Armey, Shuster 
said. And in Cavuto's defense, if you are planning simultaneous teabagging all 
around the country, you're going to need a Dick Armey.

As bad as that was, Shuster wasn't to be outdone by the combo of his colleague, 
MSNBC Rachel Maddow Show host Maddow and Cox.

On the April 13 broadcast of the program that follows Countdown, both Maddow 
and Cox attempted to match wits with Shuster's teabagging humor. The two had 
this exchange, in an effort to see who could use the word teabag or a 
derivative of it the most:

MADDOW: Is there some Ron Paul revolution in the teabagging, do you think?

COX: Well, there is a lot of love in teabagging. You have to say that. And that 
was my favorite thing about the Ron Paul revolution. It had love in it, 
literally in the logo. You know, it is funny. They really did come up with the 
concept of the tea party. In 2007, actually, is when they started referring to 
some of their events as tea parties. It is curious, though, as you point out, 
they do not use the verb teabag. It might be because they're less 
enthusiastic about teabagging than some of the more corporate conservatives who 
seem to have taken to it quite easily.

MADDOW: They, also, seemed like they had a habit of being good on the online 
machine. They said there's a lot of very savvy Web organizing so maybe occurred 
to them to Google the phrase.

COX: Perhaps. And also, you know, I was looking around on some of the Ron Paul 
Web sites today, some of the blogs from his supporters that are still out 
there, and a few of them have promoted these events, these current teabagging 
events. And it's fun if you read the comments – people mock them. These ardent 
Ron Paul supporters find this particular iteration of what had been, I think, a 
pretty good idea that one single money bomb event that they had on the 
anniversary of the Boston Tea Party to raise money for Dr. Paul is being 
somewhat perverted, I might say, by the current teabaggers.

MADDOW: Dr. Paul himself is going to be appearing at one of the teabagging 
events. He told the Star Telegram – he said, These things are popping up 
spontaneously around the country.

I noticed even during the presidential campaign, I know, that he sort of 
disavowed the movement around himself even when it was so obviously about him. 
So, he never quite said, I don't know who these people are, but he always 
sort of seemed like that. Is it possible we're seeing the same dynamic?

COX: I think so. I'm not sure if Dr. Paul is as good on the Internets as 
perhaps his followers are. And he also may not know how to use Urban 
Dictionary. But, also, I want to point out some of the Ron Paul people that are 
going to these rallies and Dr. Paul himself, I think, do genuinely believe in 
whatever wacky ideas being supported here. I mean, it is hard for him to say 
what the idea is, as you point out, a sort of amorphous outrage. But the Ron 
Paul people are very anti- tax of any kind, so there you go.

MADDOW: That's a connection.

COX: That's their justification be for being there. That's all I can say.

MADDOW: Do you think that the Obama administration like Robert Gibbs in the 
press office will talk about and promote the teabagging folks the way they have 
picked on some other conservative causes and figures like Rush Limbaugh?

COX: Well, I have been waiting for Gibbs to talk about teabagging from the 
podium for a long time. And I'm sure there are other White House supporters who 
would also greatly look forward to him, explicating the White House's position 
on teabagging. However, I don't think that's going to happen partially because 
I think they also know how to use UrbanDictionary.com.

http://tinyurl.com/d6337l

Tea-bagging Urban Dictionary: The act of dipping a man's ball sack into 
another person's mouth with the intent of sexual gratification. It can be a 
heterosexual activity, but usually it is associated with gay men.

[FairfieldLife] E-dawn -- you've got beerability (Re: If you had to be)

[Duveyoung]

E-dawn,

Here's a simple solution: contact Rick -- who has integrity up the yinyang -- 
and reveal your true identity to him. Then Rick can report one simple fact: 
that you're not Jim, and then Barry will be a fool if he asserts it again.

Or,not.

I'm okay with not knowing your true status, and I'm okay with you tossing your 
past aside -- as if it never happened, cuz unlike Barry, I think it's an 
okay strategy to move  to a deeper intimacy here.

Those who would hold your feet to the fire of your past are not cutting you a 
break that virtually all of us have taken as a birthright.  Who hasn't fudged a 
resume? Who doesn't have a bigass list of personal things they'd never reveal 
here with the trolls sniping at anything? Who hasn't spruced up for a 
first-date and never mentioned the small errors of one's past?  We all mold 
our image -- why? -- well, herein, I'm willing to say that it's to set folks at 
ease such that we can discuss other issues without previous discussions 
impacting the NOW.  

As I've posted here, I've come to know each mind such that I see their rock 
beneath the bulge in the river's surface.  There's a steady flowing of ideation 
over the beneath-the-surface core person that I feel when a post arrives. 
The concepts flow, but the person holds steady. 

And, this has changed me.  

Now that I know everyone at the party, I can spot where I can get a good 
conversation going.  If I held the past against those who have pissed me off, 
I'd only be talking to myself...hell, not even me, cuz I piss me off every day. 
I was so fucking wrong about soo many here for the first year I was 
here.  Miss not that though recently I called Turq an odious clod, I'd drive 
quite a few miles to have a beer with him. This wouldn't be possible if I 
decided to always have our past on the table between us.

Yeah, there's those I've vowed to not interact with; the War Monger wrote about 
my sexuality the other day, and for me to respond to it as if I HAD TO PROTECT 
MY IMAGE HERE, would be ludicrous, because, since I know the minds here, I'm 
projecting that those minds know me well enough also such that the validity of 
anything said about me  will be immediately known for the most part.

So, if you are Jim, it's okay to not be Jim.  Who here wants to be what they 
were even five years  ago?  Your posting here  has necessarily evolved you as I 
have been, and I trust that that process will serve all of us as time passes.

Not that that process is absolute.  The ego of each of us has scraped a deep 
furrow as our line in the sand before us, and filling it back up is a  gritty 
humble pie upon which to dine.  How long this process will take  to get, say, 
Nab to let his hair down and laugh about all of it in a pub with, say, 
Curtis, may be years more of posting, but, hey, maybe at any second Nab'll 
toggle-snap out of his obsessive sand-line drawing, but, either way, I'm 
willing to wait.  Curtis, I'm certain, would have a beer with Nab right 
now.Nab?...you? Maybe a soft drink instead would make the meeting more 
acceptable?  

As for Barry or Judy dumping their past, hey, I'm not a betting person, but I'd 
put bucks down that Nab'll change before they'll drop their jousting.  If  
either of them toggled, what a fish out of water the other would be to keep 
trying to swim in a river that's suddenly dried up.  If Judy simply stopped 
from her side, she'd rocket upwards in everyone's appraisal of her, right?  It 
would be, like, the biggest thing that ever happened here, right?  The power to 
amaze and model for us is in their hands, we'd all be deeply bowing to whomever 
found the ego strength to stop the war, yet there that siddhi sits -- like a 
million bucks being ignored on a table around which folks are complaining about 
poverty.

Nab, Barry, Judy, Shemp, Off -- keep posting. 

What does FFL look like ten years from now when all of us  are seeing the 
scythe wielder's approach? 

Let's change the name:  from now on this is FairFieldLifeboat.

Edg






--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_reply@ wrote:
 
  correct L.Shaddai-- definitely a group of little boys and 
  girls with Barry as the ringleader, playing out their school 
  yard routine, over and over again, including Vaj. 
  ...
  isn't there something just plain wrong with that picture??   
 
 Jim gets a little panicky when the only person
 on the forum who still claims to believe that
 ed11 isn't Jim has posted out for the week, and 
 can't step in to defend him.  :-)
 
 Me, I'll allow him to rant however he wants. I
 don't quite understand what he *gets* out of
 this pretending-to-be-a-woman thang, but it
 obviously gets him off on some level. Maybe 
 it's one of those guru-bhakti gay things. 
 Whatever. I wish him well with it.
 
 What I don't quite understand is how in *his*
 mind he resolves posing as a woman on 

[FairfieldLife] Re: The definitive proof that TM is not in any way religious

[Duveyoung]

http://tinyurl.com/dc72xj

To get the link, you have to right click and select view page source, then 
look for the link's URL in the code.

Edg

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote:

 From the Maharishi Channel, thanks to TM-Free:
 
 http://tmfree.blogspot.com/2009/04/still-not-religion-video-of-puja.html
 
 This page contains an embedded video of Maharishi
 leading a group performance of the TM puja, sur-
 rounded by the Rajas in full costume. 
 
 I'm sorry that I can't figure out a way to post 
 a direct link to just the video, but it's embedded
 in such a way that I don't know how to do that.
 
 For those who see nothing the least bit religious
 about the TM puja or the way that the 'Rajas' dress
 and conduct themselves, this video should reinforce
 those beliefs.
 
 For those who believe that just maybe what this
 video captures is very much religious indeed, it
 should reinforce *those* beliefs.
 
 Compare and contrast this videotaped occasion and
 *its* style and presentation with the current 
 cleaned up style and presentation of the tm.org
 website and the new face that the TMO wants to 
 show the public following the recent DLF concert. 
 Whatever your beliefs, ask yourself WHY they want
 to present this new face.
 
 Whatever your stance about the TM is/isn't a 
 religion issue, ask yourself, If the TMO was
 proud enough of this occasion to broadcast it on
 its 'Maharishi Channel,' why don't they place this
 or similar videos on the tm.org website, so that
 all of the million kids they hope to teach TM to
 can see a preview of the ceremony they will soon
 be participating in?
 
 Further ask yourself, If the TM Rajas dress this
 way normally, why didn't they dress this way at
 the DLF concert?
 
 Maybe think about Maharishi's introduction itself,
 We have the opportunity to do puja to Guru Dev.
 Notice the language: TO Guru Dev. Compare and
 contrast to some of the descriptions of the puja
 and what it's about that have been presented here
 on Fairfield Life.
 
 Ponder recent claims that kneeling is kneeling
 and that it's not really a bowing down to what
 these practitioners of the TM puja do at 09:35 into
 the video. The person who created the puja and in
 this video defines it as a ceremony TO Guru Dev,
 and the costumed leaders of the TM movement that
 surround him seem to have a slightly different
 interpretation of what 'namah' means and how to
 demonstrate it than the person who said kneeling
 is kneeling. Looks a lot like bowing down to me.
 
 Check out the paintings on the walls and the way
 that the room is decorated.
 
 Check out the scene at 00:35 into the video and
 the guy seated on a raised dias, higher than Maha-
 rishi, and how he is dressed and the offerings and
 adornments laid out at his feet. Dat's Da King,
 the current leader of the TM movement. Nothing 
 religious about him and how *he* is presented and
 treated and his relationship to other people, 
 right?
 
 Enjoy, in whatever fashion you choose to enjoy it...

[FairfieldLife] Re: 900 Pandits

[Richard M]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
curtisdeltabl...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard M compost1uk@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
  curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
   
   I don't believe that causality is ever experienced.  It is 
   belief that bridges the cause and the effect in a person's mind.
  
  Very elegantly put.
  
  But it leads to a wicked thought. Doesn't that make the idea of 
  causality and scientific law as much a PROJECTION on to the
  shit that happens as is, say, the idea of deities, sprites, spirits,
  and other superstitious what-not? They're just alternative
  language games for the same thing (stuff-that-happens)? You
  choose the one that floats your boat best down the shit stream. But 
the 
  one you choose is not necessarily TRUE, it's just the one that's 
more 
  or less able to get you from your chosen A to your chosen B?
  
  Curtis -  I thought you had a more progessive epistemology than 
that!
 
 Scientific choices are not as random as that. Humans have been at 
 it long enough to no longer need to use characters from literature
 as starting points for theories. This shift is historically called 
 the enlightenment which makes Maharishi's misuse of his Age of
 Enlightenment  which proposes going back to the pre-reason model,
 all the more ironically absurd.

Mmmm...The period known as the age of enlightmenment in the history 
of the West has nothing to with enlightenment (in a meditation 
sense). MMY had in mind the latter sense. He never proposed going 
back to a pre-reason model from what I know! You may well think what he 
advocated amounts to that - but then that's not the same as him 
proposing that, eh?

I should not have mentioned progessive epistemology - my bad. Your 
response was very interesting of course (but have you read Thomas 
Kuhn's The Structure of Scientific Revolutions?).

What I had in mind was something else really. It's that bit of yours 
where you say  no longer need to use characters from literature as 
starting points for theories!

Science does not just get us from A to B (instrumentalism). It 
carries with it an interpretation of the world that is NOT itself 
science. It is metaphysics (or, dare I say it? Religion!). It was 
that excellent Curtis nugget that demonstrates this:

I don't believe that causality is ever experienced.  It is 
belief that bridges the cause and the effect in a person's mind.

The religion of science (scientific triumphalism otherwise known as 
scientism) is built on causality and all that is bound up with it. 
This is why triumphalists will assert that Science is laying bare the 
Laws of Nature (capital L, capital N, as opposed to finding handy, 
convenient associations which work fairly well for our purposes).

These reified, Platonic laws are very odd birds indeed. What ARE 
they? IMO they're nothing else but the modern equivalents of the 
deities of the ancients who believed that some order-behind-appearances 
explained the way things are. Gods? laws? TomRtoe? TomAtoe? 

So, no, we don't use characters from literature as starting points for 
theories. We use the agencies and controllers of causality named as 
laws instead. And the meta-science is not itself Science.

Of course you CAN do science without subscribing to scientism. Many 
do. Rather the same way as you can do TM without being a triumphalist 
Hindu. And again, many do!


 
 You fill in the gaps as best as you can in the scientific
 method.  You give more or less weight to different descriptions
 as you discover if it applies to more areas that strengthen the 
overall theory. Then you test the shit out of all the falsifiable 
theories you can conjure up.  Occasionally very good evidence that 
cannot be denied comes along and blows your theory up, and a new model 
is necessary to explain it and what you have discovered before.  This 
is happening less and less, not more and more in science, because we do 
understand some stuff pretty well and we are building on that.
 
 
 Probability, statistics, and vaguely worded unfalsifiable predictions 
give Yagyas all the wiggle room needed for people who already know 
their effect and how they work to find all the evidence they need.  We 
have so many cognitive gaps, and sometimes it is hard to face how 
poorly we are equipped to test such claims, especially after we have 
paid for them. 
 
 And then you have A-hole scientists who sometimes subvert the process 
of inquiry into a way to support the latest pharmaceutical, only giving 
the method lip service(Not the kind that feels good) for some gold 
coins with In God We Trust stamped on them.
 
 And finally we have a complex mysterious world that has defied our 
ability to achieve complete knowledge with absolute certainty and this 
makes some people so nervous they turn to an explanation from a fairy 
tale to help them go to sleep. 
 
 So epistemological humility is appropriate in facing the 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Conspiracy Theories

[Kirk]

Yet Nab has been outdone by Lon, who was crazy beyond Nabbiness. By contrast 
Nab is a mere sloppy copy.

- Original Message - 
From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:32 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Conspiracy Theories


 Curtis,

 That's one fine set of responses.

 So, get ready

 Ready?

 Ready?

 THANK GOD FOR NAB!

 If not for Nab, how many fewer great smack-backs would we have had posted 
 here?

 Think about it.  If someone came here with a new user name and tried to be 
 another Nab, why the inauthenticity of the attempt is assured.  Only a 
 Nab could be a Nab, and there ain't no other Nabs here but Nab.

 Shemp, Off -- eat your hearts out. Nab is the king of nabbiness.

 Edg

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
 curtisdeltabl...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote:
 
 snip
 
  Do you want me to take you seriously;

 I don't know what that might mean in your fantasy world.

  do you want to know where Lincoln is living today ?

 He is dead.  He isn't living anywhere now.

  I will not tell hillbillies

 Ouch! Come one now, poodles are sooo cute and hillbillies aren't ( at 
 least the GUY hillbillies.)  Now the chicks at Petticoat Junction and 
 Elly-May Clampett were lookers.

  like you what neighbourhood Lincoln is living in DC today.

 Let me guess, someone with an British accent TOLD you this.

  You could easily become a security-problem. 

 I would ask him to cough up a buck like anyone else walking by me while 
 busking but otherwise I never associate with zombies back from the dead. 
 (After one drink the brain eating always starts.)

 In fact from all your unstable comments on FFL you are a walking 
 security-relability.

 Well at least I'm not claiming I know where dead people live after their 
 Thriller video rise from the dead.

  Many hillbillies are, due to extensive inbreeding.

 You will kindly leave my parents out of this conversation.  You couldn't 
 be more wrong about them.

 
  Regarding Maitreya; it's far beyond you ability to comprehend, 
  unfortunately.

 Well you got that right.  Like IF God was coming back to straighten out 
 the mess he created here, why would he let YOU in on it?  I find that 
 more incomprehensible than the whole Maitreya nonsense itself.

 So we can safely leave that issue out as well. 

 And deprive me of your enlightenment?  I'm guessing that the first thing 
 God is gunna do when he gets here is round up nasty pieces of work like 
 you.  Remember how UN-elitist Jesus was?  He was all for the commoner, 
 not people like you.  I'm thinking that after a couple of bourbons 
 Maitreya and I will be big buddies and the first bug I'm putting in his 
 ear is to send you and your kind to Calcutta for a lesson in the rest of 
 humanity beneath your upturned nose.
 
  But I do wish you well.

 Obviously.  The sincere love came right through the layers of malicious 
 putdowns.  Right through.  Not gunna help you one bit when I get Maitreya 
 on my side though.  Once we start high fiving like old fraternity buddies 
 I'm gunna get him to open a can of old Yaweh cosmic wup ass on you. 
 Those cans must be getting mighty ripe by now.



 





 

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[FairfieldLife] Re: 900 Pandits

[grate . swan]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard M compost1uk@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
  curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
   
   I don't believe that causality is ever experienced.  It is 
   belief that bridges the cause and the effect in a person's mind.
  
  Very elegantly put.
  
  But it leads to a wicked thought. Doesn't that make the idea of 
  causality and scientific law as much a PROJECTION on to the
  shit that happens as is, say, the idea of deities, sprites, spirits,
  and other superstitious what-not? They're just alternative
  language games for the same thing (stuff-that-happens)? You
  choose the one that floats your boat best down the shit stream. But the 
  one you choose is not necessarily TRUE, it's just the one that's more 
  or less able to get you from your chosen A to your chosen B?
  
  Curtis -  I thought you had a more progessive epistemology than that!
 
 Scientific choices are not as random as that. Humans have been at it long 
 enough to no longer need to use characters from literature as starting points 
 for theories. This shift is historically called the enlightenment which 
 makes Maharishi's misuse of his Age of Enlightenment  which proposes going 
 back to the pre-reason model, all the more ironically absurd.
 
 You fill in the gaps as best as you can in the scientific method.  You give 
 more or less weight to different descriptions as you discover if it applies 
 to more areas that strengthen the overall theory. Then you test the shit out 
 of all the falsifiable theories you can conjure up.  Occasionally very good 
 evidence that cannot be denied comes along and blows your theory up, and a 
 new model is necessary to explain it and what you have discovered before.  
 This is happening less and less, not more and more in science, because we do 
 understand some stuff pretty well and we are building on that.
 
 
 Probability, statistics, and vaguely worded unfalsifiable predictions give 
 Yagyas all the wiggle room needed for people who already know their effect 
 and how they work to find all the evidence they need.  We have so many 
 cognitive gaps, and sometimes it is hard to face how poorly we are equipped 
 to test such claims, especially after we have paid for them. 
 
 And then you have A-hole scientists who sometimes subvert the process of 
 inquiry into a way to support the latest pharmaceutical, only giving the 
 method lip service(Not the kind that feels good) for some gold coins with In 
 God We Trust stamped on them.
 
 And finally we have a complex mysterious world that has defied our ability to 
 achieve complete knowledge with absolute certainty and this makes some people 
 so nervous they turn to an explanation from a fairy tale to help them go to 
 sleep. 
 
 So epistemological humility is appropriate in facing the world.  But that 
 doesn't mean we don't know anything at all.  We just don't everything.  And 
 we always have to be on the lookout for things we KNOW that aren't so.  If we 
 care about keeping it real, that is.
 
 

Well, in a very real sense we KNOW nothing.  We can only know what is NOT, not 
what IS. Its Hume's problem of induction, How many white swans do you need to 
see until you know the truth that all swans are white? 1000, one million, one 
billion?   

At one billion, you may say, well, the statistical probability of knowing that 
there are no black swans is astronomically huge -- we have a sample of one 
billion. The probability that there are other than white swans is on the far 
far side of the tail (of the normal distibution).  

The problem is that the normal distribution accounts for some things nicely, 
and yet is hugely flawed as a representative distribution for far more things. 
You don't really know the distribution until you have seen the entire 
population, not just a sample.  Many things have distributions with enormously 
fat tails. That is, they have a much higher probability of occurring than the 
normal distribution would predict.  But hey, the white swan theory worked 
extremely well at predicting the color of swans. Everyone continued to see only 
white swans, What a marvelous model we have, everyone beamed. Until one black 
swan was discovered. Then many. opps -- our poor normal distribution totally 
sucked and we fell for it. If we had be significantly on this model, we would 
hve bee nwiped out. 

The only thing we know now is that NOT all swans are white. We don't know what 
IS only what is NOT. A doctor can say he finds no evidence of disease in you. 
That is far far from saying .I have evidence of no disease in you. 

[FairfieldLife] Save the Rich

[do.rflex]

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and the American public with these so-called Tax Day Tea Parties.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] E-dawn -- you've got beerability (Re: If you had to be)

[Kirk]

Frankly I have experienced as of yet no original or valuable group 
contribution from Dawn so I fail to see why anyone should care whether Dawn 
is Jim or not. At least Jim was controversial, whereas Dawn is merely a 
pundit for Maharishi. And patently uninspired.

- Original Message - 
From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 9:44 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] E-dawn -- you've got beerability (Re: If you had to 
be)


 E-dawn,

 Here's a simple solution: contact Rick -- who has integrity up the 
 yinyang -- and reveal your true identity to him. Then Rick can report one 
 simple fact: that you're not Jim, and then Barry will be a fool if he 
 asserts it again.

 Or,not.

 I'm okay with not knowing your true status, and I'm okay with you tossing 
 your past aside -- as if it never happened, cuz unlike Barry, I think 
 it's an okay strategy to move  to a deeper intimacy here.

 Those who would hold your feet to the fire of your past are not cutting 
 you a break that virtually all of us have taken as a birthright.  Who 
 hasn't fudged a resume? Who doesn't have a bigass list of personal things 
 they'd never reveal here with the trolls sniping at anything? Who hasn't 
 spruced up for a first-date and never mentioned the small errors of 
 one's past?  We all mold our image -- why? -- well, herein, I'm willing to 
 say that it's to set folks at ease such that we can discuss other issues 
 without previous discussions impacting the NOW.

 As I've posted here, I've come to know each mind such that I see their 
 rock beneath the bulge in the river's surface.  There's a steady flowing 
 of ideation over the beneath-the-surface core person that I feel when 
 a post arrives. The concepts flow, but the person holds steady.

 And, this has changed me.

 Now that I know everyone at the party, I can spot where I can get a good 
 conversation going.  If I held the past against those who have pissed me 
 off, I'd only be talking to myself...hell, not even me, cuz I piss me off 
 every day. I was so fucking wrong about soo many here for the 
 first year I was here.  Miss not that though recently I called Turq an 
 odious clod, I'd drive quite a few miles to have a beer with him. This 
 wouldn't be possible if I decided to always have our past on the table 
 between us.

 Yeah, there's those I've vowed to not interact with; the War Monger wrote 
 about my sexuality the other day, and for me to respond to it as if I HAD 
 TO PROTECT MY IMAGE HERE, would be ludicrous, because, since I know the 
 minds here, I'm projecting that those minds know me well enough also such 
 that the validity of anything said about me  will be immediately known for 
 the most part.

 So, if you are Jim, it's okay to not be Jim.  Who here wants to be what 
 they were even five years  ago?  Your posting here  has necessarily 
 evolved you as I have been, and I trust that that process will serve all 
 of us as time passes.

 Not that that process is absolute.  The ego of each of us has scraped a 
 deep furrow as our line in the sand before us, and filling it back up is a 
 gritty humble pie upon which to dine.  How long this process will take  to 
 get, say, Nab to let his hair down and laugh about all of it in a pub 
 with, say, Curtis, may be years more of posting, but, hey, maybe at any 
 second Nab'll toggle-snap out of his obsessive sand-line drawing, but, 
 either way, I'm willing to wait.  Curtis, I'm certain, would have a beer 
 with Nab right now.Nab?...you? Maybe a soft drink instead would make 
 the meeting more acceptable?

 As for Barry or Judy dumping their past, hey, I'm not a betting person, 
 but I'd put bucks down that Nab'll change before they'll drop their 
 jousting.  If  either of them toggled, what a fish out of water the other 
 would be to keep trying to swim in a river that's suddenly dried up.  If 
 Judy simply stopped from her side, she'd rocket upwards in everyone's 
 appraisal of her, right?  It would be, like, the biggest thing that ever 
 happened here, right?  The power to amaze and model for us is in their 
 hands, we'd all be deeply bowing to whomever found the ego strength to 
 stop the war, yet there that siddhi sits -- like a million bucks being 
 ignored on a table around which folks are complaining about poverty.

 Nab, Barry, Judy, Shemp, Off -- keep posting.

 What does FFL look like ten years from now when all of us  are seeing the 
 scythe wielder's approach?

 Let's change the name:  from now on this is FairFieldLifeboat.

 Edg






 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_reply@ 
 wrote:
 
  correct L.Shaddai-- definitely a group of little boys and
  girls with Barry as the ringleader, playing out their school
  yard routine, over and over again, including Vaj.
  ...
  isn't there something just plain wrong with that 

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Vyagra?

[cardemaister]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_re...@... wrote:

 
 I seem to recall one common feature between TM and Viagra
 is nitric oxide? Is that so, or is it not?
 
 Just occurred to me when I once again realized that a positive
 development of my shares sometimes makes me disturbingly horny.
 Prolly has something to do with testosterone levels...
 
 Capeller's Sanskrit-English Dictionary: 
 
 vyagra [vi + agra - card] a. having no certain point or aim, 
 unconcentrated, distracted, perplexed, bewildered; quite occupied with, 
 eagerly engaged in (instr., loc., or ---).


ekAgra [eka + agra - card]  a. having one point or aim, fixed, 
concentrated, intent or attentive upon

[FairfieldLife] Re: 900 Pandits

[Richard M]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_re...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard M compost1uk@ 
wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
   curtisdeltablues@ wrote:

I don't believe that causality is ever experienced.  It is 
belief that bridges the cause and the effect in a person's mind.
   
   Very elegantly put.
   
   But it leads to a wicked thought. Doesn't that make the idea of 
   causality and scientific law as much a PROJECTION on to the
   shit that happens as is, say, the idea of deities, sprites, 
spirits,
   and other superstitious what-not? They're just alternative
   language games for the same thing (stuff-that-happens)? You
   choose the one that floats your boat best down the shit stream. 
But the 
   one you choose is not necessarily TRUE, it's just the one that's 
more 
   or less able to get you from your chosen A to your chosen B?
   
   Curtis -  I thought you had a more progessive epistemology than 
that!
  
  Scientific choices are not as random as that. Humans have been at 
it long enough to no longer need to use characters from literature as 
starting points for theories. This shift is historically called the 
enlightenment which makes Maharishi's misuse of his Age of 
Enlightenment  which proposes going back to the pre-reason model, all 
the more ironically absurd.
  
  You fill in the gaps as best as you can in the scientific method.  
You give more or less weight to different descriptions as you discover 
if it applies to more areas that strengthen the overall theory. Then 
you test the shit out of all the falsifiable theories you can conjure 
up.  Occasionally very good evidence that cannot be denied comes along 
and blows your theory up, and a new model is necessary to explain it 
and what you have discovered before.  This is happening less and less, 
not more and more in science, because we do understand some stuff 
pretty well and we are building on that.
  
  
  Probability, statistics, and vaguely worded unfalsifiable 
predictions give Yagyas all the wiggle room needed for people who 
already know their effect and how they work to find all the evidence 
they need.  We have so many cognitive gaps, and sometimes it is hard to 
face how poorly we are equipped to test such claims, especially after 
we have paid for them. 
  
  And then you have A-hole scientists who sometimes subvert the 
process of inquiry into a way to support the latest pharmaceutical, 
only giving the method lip service(Not the kind that feels good) for 
some gold coins with In God We Trust stamped on them.
  
  And finally we have a complex mysterious world that has defied our 
ability to achieve complete knowledge with absolute certainty and this 
makes some people so nervous they turn to an explanation from a fairy 
tale to help them go to sleep. 
  
  So epistemological humility is appropriate in facing the world.  
But that doesn't mean we don't know anything at all.  We just don't 
everything.  And we always have to be on the lookout for things we KNOW 
that aren't so.  If we care about keeping it real, that is.
  
  
 
 Well, in a very real sense we KNOW nothing.  We can only know what is 
NOT, not what IS. Its Hume's problem of induction, How many white swans 
do you need to see until you know the truth that all swans are white? 
1000, one million, one billion?   
 
 At one billion, you may say, well, the statistical probability of 
knowing that there are no black swans is astronomically huge -- we have 
a sample of one billion. The probability that there are other than 
white swans is on the far far side of the tail (of the normal 
distibution).  
 
 The problem is that the normal distribution accounts for some things 
nicely, and yet is hugely flawed as a representative distribution for 
far more things. You don't really know the distribution until you have 
seen the entire population, not just a sample.  Many things have 
distributions with enormously fat tails. That is, they have a much 
higher probability of occurring than the normal distribution would 
predict.  But hey, the white swan theory worked extremely well at 
predicting the color of swans. Everyone continued to see only white 
swans, What a marvelous model we have, everyone beamed. Until one 
black swan was discovered. Then many. opps -- our poor normal 
distribution totally sucked and we fell for it. If we had be 
significantly on this model, we would hve bee nwiped out. 
 
 The only thing we know now is that NOT all swans are white. We don't 
know what IS only what is NOT. A doctor can say he finds no evidence of 
disease in you. That is far far from saying .I have evidence of no 
disease in you.


Aren't we in bigger shit than this though in reality? To know the
negative depends on knowing a positive viz. Nabster in Tasmania
has seen a black swan. But perhaps Nabster 

[FairfieldLife] Re: 900 Pandits

[grate . swan]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard M compost...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
 curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
 
  
  You fill in the gaps as best as you can in the scientific
  method.  You give more or less weight to different descriptions
  as you discover if it applies to more areas that strengthen the 
 overall theory. Then you test the shit out of all the falsifiable 
 theories you can conjure up.  

Can yu share with us your list of how you have tested (hopefully the shit out 
of) the falsifiability of your theory that the practice of TM, twice day, is a 
religion?

Occasionally very good evidence that 
 cannot be denied comes along and blows your theory up, and a new model 
 is necessary to explain it and what you have discovered before.  This 
 is happening less and less, not more and more in science, because we do 
 understand some stuff pretty well and we are building on that.
  
  
  Probability, statistics, and vaguely worded unfalsifiable predictions 
 give Yagyas all the wiggle room needed for people who already know 
 their effect and how they work to find all the evidence they need.

Which reminds me of the method some have used to establish that the 2x day 
practice of TM is a religion.

What is your model for predicting something is a religion? And how is it 
falsified? 




  

[FairfieldLife] Re: 900 Pandits

[grate . swan]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard M compost...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_reply@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
 curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard M compost1uk@ 
 wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
 
 I don't believe that causality is ever experienced.  It is 
 belief that bridges the cause and the effect in a person's mind.

Very elegantly put.

But it leads to a wicked thought. Doesn't that make the idea of 
causality and scientific law as much a PROJECTION on to the
shit that happens as is, say, the idea of deities, sprites, 
 spirits,
and other superstitious what-not? They're just alternative
language games for the same thing (stuff-that-happens)? You
choose the one that floats your boat best down the shit stream. 
 But the 
one you choose is not necessarily TRUE, it's just the one that's 
 more 
or less able to get you from your chosen A to your chosen B?

Curtis -  I thought you had a more progessive epistemology than 
 that!
   
   Scientific choices are not as random as that. Humans have been at 
 it long enough to no longer need to use characters from literature as 
 starting points for theories. This shift is historically called the 
 enlightenment which makes Maharishi's misuse of his Age of 
 Enlightenment  which proposes going back to the pre-reason model, all 
 the more ironically absurd.
   
   You fill in the gaps as best as you can in the scientific method.  
 You give more or less weight to different descriptions as you discover 
 if it applies to more areas that strengthen the overall theory. Then 
 you test the shit out of all the falsifiable theories you can conjure 
 up.  Occasionally very good evidence that cannot be denied comes along 
 and blows your theory up, and a new model is necessary to explain it 
 and what you have discovered before.  This is happening less and less, 
 not more and more in science, because we do understand some stuff 
 pretty well and we are building on that.
   
   
   Probability, statistics, and vaguely worded unfalsifiable 
 predictions give Yagyas all the wiggle room needed for people who 
 already know their effect and how they work to find all the evidence 
 they need.  We have so many cognitive gaps, and sometimes it is hard to 
 face how poorly we are equipped to test such claims, especially after 
 we have paid for them. 
   
   And then you have A-hole scientists who sometimes subvert the 
 process of inquiry into a way to support the latest pharmaceutical, 
 only giving the method lip service(Not the kind that feels good) for 
 some gold coins with In God We Trust stamped on them.
   
   And finally we have a complex mysterious world that has defied our 
 ability to achieve complete knowledge with absolute certainty and this 
 makes some people so nervous they turn to an explanation from a fairy 
 tale to help them go to sleep. 
   
   So epistemological humility is appropriate in facing the world.  
 But that doesn't mean we don't know anything at all.  We just don't 
 everything.  And we always have to be on the lookout for things we KNOW 
 that aren't so.  If we care about keeping it real, that is.
   
   
  
  Well, in a very real sense we KNOW nothing.  We can only know what is 
 NOT, not what IS. Its Hume's problem of induction, How many white swans 
 do you need to see until you know the truth that all swans are white? 
 1000, one million, one billion?   
  
  At one billion, you may say, well, the statistical probability of 
 knowing that there are no black swans is astronomically huge -- we have 
 a sample of one billion. The probability that there are other than 
 white swans is on the far far side of the tail (of the normal 
 distibution).  
  
  The problem is that the normal distribution accounts for some things 
 nicely, and yet is hugely flawed as a representative distribution for 
 far more things. You don't really know the distribution until you have 
 seen the entire population, not just a sample.  Many things have 
 distributions with enormously fat tails. That is, they have a much 
 higher probability of occurring than the normal distribution would 
 predict.  But hey, the white swan theory worked extremely well at 
 predicting the color of swans. Everyone continued to see only white 
 swans, What a marvelous model we have, everyone beamed. Until one 
 black swan was discovered. Then many. opps -- our poor normal 
 distribution totally sucked and we fell for it. If we had be 
 significantly on this model, we would hve bee nwiped out. 
  
  The only thing we know now is that NOT all swans are white. We don't 
 know what IS only what is NOT. A doctor can say he finds no evidence of 
 disease in you. That is far far from saying .I have evidence of no 
 disease in you.
 
 
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: 900 Pandits

[curtisdeltablues]

I am running out of posts with my incessant blathering!  So I want to address 
both Grate Swan and Richard's post together.  Both of you never fail to make me 
think more deeply here so first a big nod and think you for that!

I believe both of you are taking a more purely philosophical look at our 
ability to know. Hume did point out our humble relationship with knowing, but 
it is a glass half empty situation.  The pragmatist, myself included, just goes 
with probabilities and finds that suits him pretty well most of the time.  Just 
don't put a low brow like me in a theoretical physics lab!  Although I would 
have to agree with the theoretical arguments of the absolute skeptic, I don't 
live that way.  I am not alone in this.  Knowing our limitations is one thing.  
Pushing on with existential enlightenment is another.  (I know I co-opted that 
word but I have used it for the ultimate in knowledge so long, I now use if for 
the good-enough epistemological world I have created for myself. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard M compost...@... wrote:
snip
 Mmmm...The period known as the age of enlightmenment in the history 
 of the West has nothing to with enlightenment (in a meditation 
 sense). MMY had in mind the latter sense. He never proposed going 
 back to a pre-reason model from what I know! You may well think what he 
 advocated amounts to that - but then that's not the same as him 
 proposing that, eh?

I believe he did.  Every time he ridiculed modern science's lack of absolute 
knowledge and proposed religious texts as the solution.  If you listen to his 
argument with Jon Shear about the logical necessity for PC in between the other 
states, and hear him conclude with Then you must change your logic, you see 
his true commitment to irrationality.  He only pay lip-service to reason for 
marketing purposes.  He always said the elephant has two sets of teeth, one to 
show and one to chew with.

 
 I should not have mentioned progessive epistemology - my bad. Your 
 response was very interesting of course (but have you read Thomas 
 Kuhn's The Structure of Scientific Revolutions?).

So long ago, but even my faded memory makes me want to revise some of my 
statements below so thanks for mentioning it.

 
 What I had in mind was something else really. It's that bit of yours 
 where you say  no longer need to use characters from literature as 
 starting points for theories!

Let me start here.  This statement is full of it as stated.  You can START from 
anywhere for a theory.  Why not Vedic literature or a dream even?  I should 
have been referring to the fact that with all the work that has been done in 
science, we can base a theory on another likely theory with some proof behind 
it now.  We have gone past, then magic happened in many areas.  However to 
discuss how the Vedic characters can help us transcend the limits of our 
imagination in theoretical physics...why not?

 
 Science does not just get us from A to B (instrumentalism). It 
 carries with it an interpretation of the world that is NOT itself 
 science. It is metaphysics (or, dare I say it? Religion!). It was 
 that excellent Curtis nugget that demonstrates this:
 
 I don't believe that causality is ever experienced.  It is 
 belief that bridges the cause and the effect in a person's mind.
 
 The religion of science (scientific triumphalism otherwise known as 
 scientism) is built on causality and all that is bound up with it. 
 This is why triumphalists will assert that Science is laying bare the 
 Laws of Nature (capital L, capital N, as opposed to finding handy, 
 convenient associations which work fairly well for our purposes).

I am somewhere between your skepticism and the scientific triumphalist on this 
point.  I don't have a perfectionist standard for knowledge to compare what we 
are doing in science to an ideal that is better.  I am accepting the human 
condition with the limits we have.  In my life the biggest gaps in knowledge 
don't come from the theoretical problems of causality, but from my own 
susceptibility to cognitive error. My knowledge issues are wy down the line 
from the issues posed by philosophers. It is what cognitive psychologists 
reveal to me that makes me cast a skeptical eye on anything I assert! 

 
 These reified, Platonic laws are very odd birds indeed. What ARE 
 they? IMO they're nothing else but the modern equivalents of the 
 deities of the ancients who believed that some order-behind-appearances 
 explained the way things are. Gods? laws? TomRtoe? TomAtoe? 

Again, the pragmatist in me rejects the need to grapple with Plato's idealistic 
forms.  And the language does matter on one level because there are many 
implied beliefs in a word like Gods that are not contained in the word 
laws.  For most purposes in science the term laws works better, especially 
when you may have to chuck them when new data comes in. Killing Gods is much 
more difficult emotionally.

 
 So, no, we 

[FairfieldLife] E-dawn -- you've got beerability (Re: If you had to be)

[grate . swan]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote:
 yada yada yada :)

You suggested a way to falsify the claim that Jim is Dawn. But it seems a bit 
weak on several fronts. And as curtis has pointed out, we need a shitload of 
various falsification tests to well test a thory.  So list 20 doable 
falsification tests that could be done (with out excessive time or expense).

If all instances thus far point to Jim being Dawn, then that hardly establishes 
that Jim is Dawn. Hume's problem of induction and all.  We need just find one 
case where Jim is not Dawn to establish that Not all instances of Jim are = 
Dawn.  

[FairfieldLife] Re: 900 Pandits

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_re...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard M compost1uk@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
  curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
  
   
   You fill in the gaps as best as you can in the scientific
   method.  You give more or less weight to different descriptions
   as you discover if it applies to more areas that strengthen the 
  overall theory. Then you test the shit out of all the falsifiable 
  theories you can conjure up.  
 
 Can yu share with us your list of how you have tested (hopefully the shit out 
 of) the falsifiability of your theory that the practice of TM, twice day, is 
 a religion?

I never said that.  And I would never use this method to determine such a 
thing.  I would use the definition of words to assess how these concepts are 
used.  You can practice TM twice a day and not have it be your religion.  But I 
also believe that teaching TM in schools is promoting a religious practice 
because of how it is taught and its origins.  I can also drink wine and take 
bread in a church and consider it an type of piss poor Tapas bar fare.  But 
that doesn't mean we should have a priest come in to third grade to see if it 
settles the kids down if he performs mass for them.

You are trying to use the scientific method in the wrong place. There are other 
areas of knowledge that we use for such questions and the answers are not so 
clear cut.  That is why we have courts to decide some of these question and you 
may disagree with their conclusions.  

 
 Occasionally very good evidence that 
  cannot be denied comes along and blows your theory up, and a new model 
  is necessary to explain it and what you have discovered before.  This 
  is happening less and less, not more and more in science, because we do 
  understand some stuff pretty well and we are building on that.
   
   
   Probability, statistics, and vaguely worded unfalsifiable predictions 
  give Yagyas all the wiggle room needed for people who already know 
  their effect and how they work to find all the evidence they need.
 
 Which reminds me of the method some have used to establish that the 2x day 
 practice of TM is a religion.
 
 What is your model for predicting something is a religion? And how is it 
 falsified?

As I said, wrong application of the method.  Science is cross cultural, these 
questions are culture bound.  In the US we have made some distinctions that are 
meant to keep religious concepts from being taught outside religion classes.  
This is a big difference between our educational system and say, Afghanistan's.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Homeland Security Warns of Rightwing Extremists

[boo_lives]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willy...@... 
wrote:

 Nelson wrote:
  If you disagree with government policy you 
  become a terrorist? Thing are starting to 
  look suspicious - does anyone notice?
 
 Yes, things are starting to look very, very 
 suspicious. Barry2 should be looking under
 his bed!
 
So comforting to see republicans hating their country again.  the 8 yrs they 
spent loving it under bush almost ruined us.  the 8 yrs they spent fantasizing 
about being persecuted under clinton were great for the economy.

[FairfieldLife] Re: 900 Pandits

[Richard M]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_re...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard M compost1uk@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_reply@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
  curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard M compost1uk@ 
  wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
 curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
  
  I don't believe that causality is ever experienced.  It is 
  belief that bridges the cause and the effect in a person's mind.
 
 Very elegantly put.
 
 But it leads to a wicked thought. Doesn't that make the idea of 
 causality and scientific law as much a PROJECTION on to the
 shit that happens as is, say, the idea of deities, sprites, 
  spirits,
 and other superstitious what-not? They're just alternative
 language games for the same thing (stuff-that-happens)? You
 choose the one that floats your boat best down the shit stream. 
  But the 
 one you choose is not necessarily TRUE, it's just the one that's 
  more 
 or less able to get you from your chosen A to your chosen B?
 
 Curtis -  I thought you had a more progessive epistemology than 
  that!

Scientific choices are not as random as that. Humans have been at 
  it long enough to no longer need to use characters from literature as 
  starting points for theories. This shift is historically called the 
  enlightenment which makes Maharishi's misuse of his Age of 
  Enlightenment  which proposes going back to the pre-reason model, all 
  the more ironically absurd.

You fill in the gaps as best as you can in the scientific method.  
  You give more or less weight to different descriptions as you discover 
  if it applies to more areas that strengthen the overall theory. Then 
  you test the shit out of all the falsifiable theories you can conjure 
  up.  Occasionally very good evidence that cannot be denied comes along 
  and blows your theory up, and a new model is necessary to explain it 
  and what you have discovered before.  This is happening less and less, 
  not more and more in science, because we do understand some stuff 
  pretty well and we are building on that.


Probability, statistics, and vaguely worded unfalsifiable 
  predictions give Yagyas all the wiggle room needed for people who 
  already know their effect and how they work to find all the evidence 
  they need.  We have so many cognitive gaps, and sometimes it is hard to 
  face how poorly we are equipped to test such claims, especially after 
  we have paid for them. 

And then you have A-hole scientists who sometimes subvert the 
  process of inquiry into a way to support the latest pharmaceutical, 
  only giving the method lip service(Not the kind that feels good) for 
  some gold coins with In God We Trust stamped on them.

And finally we have a complex mysterious world that has defied our 
  ability to achieve complete knowledge with absolute certainty and this 
  makes some people so nervous they turn to an explanation from a fairy 
  tale to help them go to sleep. 

So epistemological humility is appropriate in facing the world.  
  But that doesn't mean we don't know anything at all.  We just don't 
  everything.  And we always have to be on the lookout for things we KNOW 
  that aren't so.  If we care about keeping it real, that is.


   
   Well, in a very real sense we KNOW nothing.  We can only know what is 
  NOT, not what IS. Its Hume's problem of induction, How many white swans 
  do you need to see until you know the truth that all swans are white? 
  1000, one million, one billion?   
   
   At one billion, you may say, well, the statistical probability of 
  knowing that there are no black swans is astronomically huge -- we have 
  a sample of one billion. The probability that there are other than 
  white swans is on the far far side of the tail (of the normal 
  distibution).  
   
   The problem is that the normal distribution accounts for some things 
  nicely, and yet is hugely flawed as a representative distribution for 
  far more things. You don't really know the distribution until you have 
  seen the entire population, not just a sample.  Many things have 
  distributions with enormously fat tails. That is, they have a much 
  higher probability of occurring than the normal distribution would 
  predict.  But hey, the white swan theory worked extremely well at 
  predicting the color of swans. Everyone continued to see only white 
  swans, What a marvelous model we have, everyone beamed. Until one 
  black swan was discovered. Then many. opps -- our poor normal 
  distribution totally sucked and we fell for it. If we had be 
  significantly on this model, we would hve bee nwiped out. 
   
   The only thing we know now is that NOT all swans are white. We don't 

[FairfieldLife] Re: If you had to be a true believer, which one would you be?

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_re...@... wrote:

 not a word about your pathetic practices here? all you can do is try to shoot 
 the messenger? wow, you are farther gone than any of us could even 
 imagine...and -i- am the one who is panicking? lol
 
 Barry: yeahtrue, i haven't done TM in 30 years, and anyone that calls me 
 on it is going to get a whole lot of anger and invective aimed at them...
 
 Barry: that's right...haven't done TM in 30 years...BECAUSE I WANT TO KEEP 
 POSTING ABOUT IT!!!
 
 Barry: why not respond to the facts? because i don't want to, that's 
 why...like i said, do YOU PRACTICE TM?! I SAID DO YOU PRACTICE TM??? I CAN 
 CRITICIZE TM AS LONG AS I WANT!!!
 
 Barry: what is wrong with posting 50 times a week about something i haven't 
 done for thirty years?!?! YOU ARE A TRUE BELIEVER!!! TRUE BELIEVER!!! TRUE 
 BELIEVER!!!
 
 Barry: No, it IS sane to do this! stop asking me about it! Stop asking  me 
 about it before i throw a tantrum and go after all of you!
 
 Barry: hey, stop that! ...what a minute...you're laughing WITH me, not AT 
 me, right? RIGHT???! RIGHT???!??!


HeHe  :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Tea-bagging on TV

[Hugo]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote:

 
 Tea-bagging Urban Dictionary: The act of dipping a man's ball sack into 
 another person's mouth with the intent of sexual gratification. It can be a 
 heterosexual activity, but usually it is associated with gay men.



It can be a heterosexual activity - How?

[FairfieldLife] Re: 900 Pandits

[Richard M]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
curtisdeltabl...@... wrote:
 But what you gunna do? As long as I got rhythm, I got music, I got
 my girl... who could ask for anything more! 

Yep! Sounds as good as it gets...
Me - gotta work on the rhythm (white boy can't dance).

I'm gonna throw a Nabby at you here: See Curtis - all that karma
yoga you did paid off! 

(That's very irritating of me, sorry)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
curtisdeltabl...@... wrote:

 I am running out of posts with my incessant blathering!  So I want to 
address both Grate Swan and Richard's post together.  Both of you never 
fail to make me think more deeply here so first a big nod and think you 
for that!
 
 I believe both of you are taking a more purely philosophical look at 
our ability to know. Hume did point out our humble relationship with 
knowing, but it is a glass half empty situation.  The pragmatist, 
myself included, just goes with probabilities and finds that suits him 
pretty well most of the time.  Just don't put a low brow like me in a 
theoretical physics lab!  Although I would have to agree with the 
theoretical arguments of the absolute skeptic, I don't live that way.  
I am not alone in this.  Knowing our limitations is one thing.  Pushing 
on with existential enlightenment is another.  (I know I co-opted that 
word but I have used it for the ultimate in knowledge so long, I now 
use if for the good-enough epistemological world I have created for 
myself. 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard M compost1uk@ wrote:
 snip
  Mmmm...The period known as the age of enlightmenment in the 
history 
  of the West has nothing to with enlightenment (in a meditation 
  sense). MMY had in mind the latter sense. He never proposed going 
  back to a pre-reason model from what I know! You may well think 
what he 
  advocated amounts to that - but then that's not the same as him 
  proposing that, eh?
 
 I believe he did.  Every time he ridiculed modern science's lack of 
absolute knowledge and proposed religious texts as the solution.  If 
you listen to his argument with Jon Shear about the logical necessity 
for PC in between the other states, and hear him conclude with Then 
you must change your logic, you see his true commitment to 
irrationality.  He only pay lip-service to reason for marketing 
purposes.  He always said the elephant has two sets of teeth, one to 
show and one to chew with.
 
  
  I should not have mentioned progessive epistemology - my bad. 
Your 
  response was very interesting of course (but have you read Thomas 
  Kuhn's The Structure of Scientific Revolutions?).
 
 So long ago, but even my faded memory makes me want to revise some of 
my statements below so thanks for mentioning it.
 
  
  What I had in mind was something else really. It's that bit of 
yours 
  where you say  no longer need to use characters from literature as 
  starting points for theories!
 
 Let me start here.  This statement is full of it as stated.  You can 
START from anywhere for a theory.  Why not Vedic literature or a dream 
even?  I should have been referring to the fact that with all the work 
that has been done in science, we can base a theory on another likely 
theory with some proof behind it now.  We have gone past, then magic 
happened in many areas.  However to discuss how the Vedic characters 
can help us transcend the limits of our imagination in theoretical 
physics...why not?
 
  
  Science does not just get us from A to B (instrumentalism). It 
  carries with it an interpretation of the world that is NOT itself 
  science. It is metaphysics (or, dare I say it? Religion!). It was 
  that excellent Curtis nugget that demonstrates this:
  
  I don't believe that causality is ever experienced.  It is 
  belief that bridges the cause and the effect in a person's mind.
  
  The religion of science (scientific triumphalism otherwise known as 
  scientism) is built on causality and all that is bound up with 
it. 
  This is why triumphalists will assert that Science is laying bare 
the 
  Laws of Nature (capital L, capital N, as opposed to finding handy, 
  convenient associations which work fairly well for our purposes).
 
 I am somewhere between your skepticism and the scientific 
triumphalist on this point.  I don't have a perfectionist standard for 
knowledge to compare what we are doing in science to an ideal that is 
better.  I am accepting the human condition with the limits we have.  
In my life the biggest gaps in knowledge don't come from the 
theoretical problems of causality, but from my own susceptibility to 
cognitive error. My knowledge issues are wy down the line from the 
issues posed by philosophers. It is what cognitive psychologists reveal 
to me that makes me cast a skeptical eye on anything I assert! 
 
  
  These reified, Platonic laws are very odd birds indeed. What ARE 
  they? IMO they're nothing else but the modern equivalents of the 
  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Tea-bagging on TV

[Hugo]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote:
 
  
  Tea-bagging Urban Dictionary: The act of dipping a man's ball sack into 
  another person's mouth with the intent of sexual gratification. It can be 
  a heterosexual activity, but usually it is associated with gay men.
 
 
 
 It can be a heterosexual activity - How?


Oh, another *persons* mouth. Ooops, I hope no-one read that. 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Tea-bagging on TV

[Bhairitu]

raunchydog wrote:
 Shouldn't the FCC have something to say about sexually graphic language on 
 smut TV?
I think the Obama administration promised to back off on the harassment 
to the networks over such things.   It DOES make the US look very 
backward compared with other countries and dampens what could be better 
drama.  The networks want to compete more with the premium channels so 
they don't the restrictions placed on broadcast TV by the narrow minded 
Bush administration using the religious right as their useful idiots.  
So talk may get racier on broadcast TV and is already on cable.  I was 
watching the new season of Rescue Me which gets quite racy in 
subject matter and Fox has been driving for reducing some of the 
nonsense placed on networks since the wardrobe malfunction at the 
Super Bowl which resulted in Bush terrorizing Hollywood.

And I remember seeing full frontal nudity on PBS dramas back in the 
1970s.  Violence is a bigger problem.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Thom Hartmann and Alex Jones Simulcast

[Bhairitu]

Richard J. Williams wrote:
 According to what I've read, in early 2000 Jones 
 was one of seven Republican candidates for state 
 representative in Texas House District 48, an 
 open seat swing district based in Austin, Texas.

   
 Bhairitu wrote: 
   
 Nope. Alex is in his early to mid 30's and does get 
 confused with that individual.

 
 Maybe, but I don't think so.

 Jones was born in Parkland Hospital in Dallas, Texas,
 and grew up in the suburb of Rockwall. He graduated 
 from Anderson High School in northwest Austin, Texas 
 in 1993.

 Alexander Emerick Jones:
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Jones_(radio)

 Prison Planet:
 http://www.prisonplanet.com/
Sorry I quickly read your post as reporting his age as 48. :D  Which I 
knew it was not.  But I don't recall him saying he ever ran for office.  
And he does mention another Alex Jones though I believe a journalist 
that people confuse him with.  The show was well worth a listen and 
actually had a lot of positive energy.  Both sides need to come on 
common ground and work together against the evils of corporatism and 
globalism.  I believe that can happen.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Homeland Security Warns of Rightwing Extremists

[Bhairitu]

Richard J. Williams wrote:
 Nelson wrote:
   
 If you disagree with government policy you 
 become a terrorist? Thing are starting to 
 look suspicious - does anyone notice?

 
 Yes, things are starting to look very, very 
 suspicious. Barry2 should be looking under
 his bed!
Nah, the way that government works they would probably want to make me 
the block warden. ;-)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tea-bagging on TV

[Bhairitu]

Hugo wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes...@... wrote:
   
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote:

 
 Tea-bagging Urban Dictionary: The act of dipping a man's ball sack into 
 another person's mouth with the intent of sexual gratification. It can be 
 a heterosexual activity, but usually it is associated with gay men.

   
 It can be a heterosexual activity - How?
 


 Oh, another *persons* mouth. Ooops, I hope no-one read that. 
Then there's Teabag the character aptly played by Robert Knepper on 
Prison Break which returns for the final episodes of the series this 
Friday.   In the prison episodes he was known for going after young 
prisoners for his sexual gratification and hence the nickname.  The back 
story was that he was a very bright kid raised by an abusive trailer 
trash father and turned out bad.  Knepper plays the despicable character 
to a hilt.

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is this lecture being taught in today's highschools?

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of boo_lives
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 10:39 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is this lecture being taught in today's
highschools?
 
 Why do they need barbed wire?
 Perhaps that is because of the fundies in town or some other deranged
person(s), who might be motivated in a passionate way, to do harm to a
peaceful visitor from India.
 Safety First!
 It's a shame Fairfield, Iowa, USA...still has this dilemma.
 R.G.

Has nothing whatsoever to do with fundies, the fence is to keep the pundits
in. they do not want the pundits talking with anyone about their
circumstances and situation.
Nor do they want them running off to Iowa City or FF bars of having affairs
with local women, both of which have happened.
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Homeland Security Warns of Rightwing Extremists

[I am the eternal]

On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 8:06 AM, Richard J. Williams willy...@yahoo.com wrote:
 guyfawkes wrote:
 Yeah, very strange that the Europeans are among
 the most racist groups of people on the planet,
 but it's not surprising, since we've known this
 since before WW II.

 A poll commissioned by the ADL shows that 33%
 of Europeans blame the Jews for the financial
 meltdown. A mind-boggling 74% Spaniards think
 so.

And the Europeans have a reason to be racist against the Jews.  When
the massive voyages for trade began after Columbus discovered
America, there was the need for lots of capital, i.e. banks.  Now the
Christians decided that loaning money and collecting interest on it
was not biblical, so the Jews were given/ordered to do the job.  The
Jews did well in their new role as money lenders.  A lot of resentment
was generated amongst the Christians and hence the numerous epic poems
putting Jews in a bad light and the Shakespearean play where a pound
of flesh was involved.

Fast forward to Poland where the king of Poland realized that he
wasn't turning the profit he wanted on his kingdom, so he divided it
up and put Jews in charge of the pieces.  These Jews had the power of
life and death over his subjects and of course their charge was to
turn a handsome profit over to the king.  They had to, of course,
prosper as well.   So of course the Europeans associated Jews with
finance and further, as greedy bastards with no morals.  True or not,
that's the way they were portrayed and old memories die hard.

If certain asshats on FFL want to sling the judgement racist' at me,
I'll say ahead of time, kiss my ass.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is this lecture being taught in today's highschools?

[I am the eternal]

On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 1:15 PM, Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com wrote:



 Why do they need barbed wire?
 Perhaps that is because of the fundies in town or some other deranged
 person(s), who might be motivated in a passionate way, to do harm to a
 peaceful visitor from India.
 Safety First!
 It's a shame Fairfield, Iowa, USA...still has this dilemma.
 R.G.

 Has nothing whatsoever to do with fundies, the fence is to keep the pundits
 in. they do not want the pundits talking with anyone about their
 circumstances and situation.

 Nor do they want them running off to Iowa City or FF bars of having affairs
 with local women, both of which have happened.

I lived diagonally from them on a couple of occasions and I was
explicitly told that all the security was to protect the pundits.
MUM's head of security wouldn't lie to me, would he?

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Homeland Security Warns of Rightwing Extremists

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote:
 
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , raunchydog raunchydog@
  wrote:
  
   Just as Bush tried to squash free speech by rounding up protesters the
  Republican National Convention in New York in 2004, the hyper vigilance
  of the DHS will be the undoing of what little we have left of the bill
  of rights. Get this straight. Most people who go to a protest, whether
  on the left of right of the political spectrum are law abiding citizens
  who do not mean the president harm.
  
  Er, they are not talking about protesters dummy.
  
  They are talking about right-wing armed militia who intend to operate
  outside the bounds of the law.
  
  OffWorld
 
 
 It is not a coincidence the DHS report came out just in time for
 the Tea Party protests. Make no mistake about it, this is a 
 warning to the people who disagree with Obama.
 
 The DHS report conveniently leaves out any reference to leftist
 groups and lumps all conservatives in with a small number of
 extremists. Shockingly, they also include veterans because they
 can be turned into Timothy McVeys by extremist groups. So now we
 should fear veterans? Ridiculous.
 
 The DHS is an unaccountable political arm of whatever party is
 in power; first Bush and now Obama. We should disband the entire
 organization. The right wing wanted the DHS until Obama got it and
 the left wanted to shut it down when Bush had it. Either way, it
 only points out the obvious; it is a political organization, that
 can exert the sort of power not anticipated by the framers of the
 Constitution.

Shepard Smith blows the 'DHS is picking on the Tea Parties' meme out of the 
water

http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/shepard-smith-blows-dhs-picking-tea

http://is.gd/sNfx

Turns out, there was also a DHS assessment of left-wing groups as well and that 
both assessments were commissioned under the Bush administration. It's pretty 
funny that this meme was debunked on Faux Noise, of all places.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Thom Hartmann and Alex Jones Simulcast

[Richard J. Williams]

  Jones was born in Parkland Hospital in Dallas, Texas,
  and grew up in the suburb of Rockwall. He graduated 
  from Anderson High School in northwest Austin, Texas 
  in 1993.
 
Bhairitu wrote:
 The show was well worth a listen and actually had a 
 lot of positive energy. Both sides need to come on 
 common ground and work together against the evils of 
 corporatism and globalism. I believe that can happen.

Maybe so, but you'll be labeled a right-wing extremist
if you're not careful. There are probably lots of things 
you don't know about the Repug Alex Jones, including the 
fact that he once tried to rebuild David Koresh's church 
- he's not your kind of guy, Barry, obviously.

Rightwing extremism, the report defines in a footnote 
on Page 2, goes beyond religious and racial hate groups 
and extends to those that are mainly anti-government, 
rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local 
authority, or rejecting government authority entirely. 

Read more:

'Napolitano stands by 'extremism' report'
By Audrey Hudson
Washington Times, Thursday, April 16, 2009
http://tinyurl.com/cqhzwc

[FairfieldLife] Re: Bhakti -- The Double-Edged Sword

[Richard J. Williams]

TurquoiseB wrote:
 Since it appears that the only person on this 
 forum who noticed the caveats that I put into
 my posts on the subject of guru-bhakti in big
 capital letters that Judy (typically) mistook
 for shouting, I will spell out what my insertion
 of the phrase ON ONE LEVEL meant...
 
There is one big problem with this thread - Barry 
apparently has had no personal experience with 
'Bhakti' Yoga or 'Guru' Bhakti. 

I seriously doubt that he has ever had a teacher 
that he loved. From what I've read, Barry has has 
an antagonistic relationship with all his teachers: 
Marshy and the Rama Lenz. 

So, it's not surprising that he has so many 
questions and misconceptions, and it's also pretty 
obvious that he doesn't intend on discussing 
this subject in a meaningful way - it's just 
another Barry setup, to see what Judy says. 

For Barry, it's all about Judy - that's why he 
is here.

Road Trip Mind:
http://www.ramalila.net/RoadTripMind/index.html

From: Uncle Tantra
Subject: Two simple questions for the bhakti 
supporters
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
Date: Sun, Mar 16 2003
http://tinyurl.com/cz92zq

These questions aren't necessarily trolls, by 
the way. They are just two rather fundamental 
questions that never seem to come up in and 
around spiritual organizations that believe 
strongly in the value of bhakti...

From: Uncle Tantra
Subject: Bhakti II 
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
Date: Tues, Mar 18 2003
http://tinyurl.com/dgvq2t

This is a repost because it doesn't seem to 
have made it to Google, despite the fact that 
several later posts have, and I'm kinda curious 
how Judy will answer... 

From: Judy Stein
Subject: Re: Two simple questions for the bhakti 
supporters
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
Date: Sun, Mar 16 2003
http://tinyurl.com/cz92zq

Amazing. He thanks those who have commented on 
bhakti for their interesting comments, so 
presumably he's *read* those comments, yet he 
still asks two questions that are utterly 
meaningless *in light of* those comments... 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Homeland Security Warns of Rightwing Extremists

[Bhairitu]

I am the eternal wrote:
 On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 8:06 AM, Richard J. Williams willy...@yahoo.com 
 wrote:
   
 guyfawkes wrote:
 Yeah, very strange that the Europeans are among
 the most racist groups of people on the planet,
 but it's not surprising, since we've known this
 since before WW II.

 A poll commissioned by the ADL shows that 33%
 of Europeans blame the Jews for the financial
 meltdown. A mind-boggling 74% Spaniards think
 so.
 

 And the Europeans have a reason to be racist against the Jews.  When
 the massive voyages for trade began after Columbus discovered
 America, there was the need for lots of capital, i.e. banks.  Now the
 Christians decided that loaning money and collecting interest on it
 was not biblical, so the Jews were given/ordered to do the job.  The
 Jews did well in their new role as money lenders.  A lot of resentment
 was generated amongst the Christians and hence the numerous epic poems
 putting Jews in a bad light and the Shakespearean play where a pound
 of flesh was involved.

 Fast forward to Poland where the king of Poland realized that he
 wasn't turning the profit he wanted on his kingdom, so he divided it
 up and put Jews in charge of the pieces.  These Jews had the power of
 life and death over his subjects and of course their charge was to
 turn a handsome profit over to the king.  They had to, of course,
 prosper as well.   So of course the Europeans associated Jews with
 finance and further, as greedy bastards with no morals.  True or not,
 that's the way they were portrayed and old memories die hard.

 If certain asshats on FFL want to sling the judgement racist' at me,
 I'll say ahead of time, kiss my ass.
I've seen Rabbis point to what you mention and say see, we did it to 
ourselves.   Seems these days the Fauxbots and Ditto Heads like to call 
people racists more quickly than liberals ever have as a trick to get 
the left to back down and to distract from their own racism.

[FairfieldLife] Re: 900 Pandits

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Doughney m...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk kirk_bernhardt@ wrote:
 
  I used to see a similar behavior pattern among
  the supposedly-celibate guys working on staff
  at Seelisberg and on courses in Europe, but in
  a heterosexual way. These guys would see a 
  woman they liked and seduce her with the olde
  I know that I should be celibate but you're
  just s beautiful routine. And after one
  or two rolls in the hay, they would forget 
  the women. 
  
  Not just drop them, FORGET them. 
 
 
 The way this sort of thing was told to me, by a woman (a 
 meditator/checker) who was very briefly involved with one such TM 
 initiator sleazebag, was that after a night of rolling in the hay, so 
 to speak, she was met with hostility and a lot of canned language 
 about how their evolution had been sidetracked by having sex. After 
 having consensual sex, the next morning the guy basically blamed her 
 for harming him.
 
 Just another data point illustrating how involvement with the TMO 
 correlates with all kinds of unhealthy habits and attitudes, 
 particularly with respect to intimate matters, like sex.



/me recalls several B'Hai and other fundamentalist girlfriends who insisted 
that sex before marriage was a no-no...

as long as you were romantically involved.

Once marriage/long-term committment was off the table, it was 
anything goes... wanna shag tonight since we're not engaged?


Unhealthy attitudes can be found in many different contexts.

L.

[FairfieldLife] What do these two people have in common?

[do.rflex]

Person #1: http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/74963/original.jpg

Person #2: 
http://www.democraticunderground.com/top10/04/169_bandaid.jpg 

[FairfieldLife] E-dawn -- you've got beerability (Re: If you had to be)

[Richard J. Williams]

Duveyoung wrote:
 If Judy simply stopped from her side, she'd 
 rocket upwards in everyone's appraisal of her...

Wrong. 

Judy is NOT going to stop protesting against Barry 
lying about her. Are you nuts or something?

What you wrote doesn't even make any sense - why 
would Judy want to do that? You've just put yourself 
on Barry's side, so I hope Judy flogs you real good. 

Apparently you are just like Barry - you can't, or 
won't, even read the messages that have been already 
posted. Don't you have any sense of fairness? I 
guess not - liars all of you, for not blasting
Barry. You suck as a debater, Edg.

From: Judy Stein
Subject: Challenge to Judy
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
Date: November, 1 Nov 1994
http://tinyurl.com/czdama

Barry Wright writes:

snip

 You seem to be one of the main proponents of the 
 TM is the fastest, most effective technique on 
 the planet to enable anyone, anywhere to become 
 enlightened school of thought. Even if I have 
 misread you and that is not true, you should be 
 able to answer a simple question for me... 

From: Judy Stein
Subject: Barry gets it wrong again
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
Date: November 13, 1994
http://tinyurl.com/dyb3af

Whatever Barry is having, it seems to have had a 
rather negative impact either on his ability to 
read, or on his ability to tell the truth... 

[FairfieldLife] Rescuing the economy - Obama's final play

[Richard M]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/cartoon/

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is this lecture being taught in today's highschools?

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of I am the eternal
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 1:30 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is this lecture being taught in today's
highschools?
 
I lived diagonally from them on a couple of occasions and I was
explicitly told that all the security was to protect the pundits.
MUM's head of security wouldn't lie to me, would he?
He meant protect them from themselves.
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: What do these two people have in common?

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote:

 
 
 Person #1: http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/74963/original.jpg
 
 Person #2: 
 http://www.democraticunderground.com/top10/04/169_bandaid.jpg

They both wear eyeglasses.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Homeland Security Warns of Rightwing Extremists

[Richard J. Williams]

  A poll commissioned by the ADL shows that 33%
  of Europeans blame the Jews for the financial
  meltdown. A mind-boggling 74% Spaniards think
  so.
 
L.Shaddai wrote:
 And the Europeans have a reason to be racist 
 against the Jews... 
 
You fukin' dunderhead - the Jews are'nt a 'race'
of people, they are a culture. What you've shown 
here is that you are just a simple bigot who is 
ignorant of history or science. Get some smarts.

In many parts of the world, the idea of race 
became a way of rigidly dividing groups by culture 
as well as by physical appearances. Campaigns of 
oppression and genocide were often motivated by 
supposed racial differences.

Source:
http://tinyurl.com/5fxrkc

[FairfieldLife] Re: What do these two people have in common?

[do.rflex]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@... 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote:
 
  
  
  Person #1: http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/74963/original.jpg
  
  Person #2: 
  http://www.democraticunderground.com/top10/04/169_bandaid.jpg
 
 They both wear eyeglasses.


Yes! That's it!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Homeland Security Warns of Rightwing Extremists

[Richard J. Williams]

Bhairitu wrote:
 I've seen Rabbis point to what you mention 
 and say see, we did it to ourselves.   
 Seems these days the Fauxbots and Ditto 
 Heads like to call people racists more 
 quickly than liberals ever have as a trick 
 to get the left to back down and to distract 
 from their own racism.

So, how many responds on FFL believe that the 
current economic situation was caused by the 
Jewish 'race'? Alex Jones doesn't believe that 
Jews have much of an influence on America. 

  A poll commissioned by the ADL shows that 33%
  of Europeans blame the Jews for the financial
  meltdown. A mind-boggling 74% Spaniards think
  so.

[FairfieldLife] ETs have something for the humans

[do.rflex]

http://snipurl.com/g1jqz

[FairfieldLife] Re: What do these two people have in common?

[Richard J. Williams]

do.rflex wrote:
 What do these two people have in common?
 
That they are both opposed to their children 
having to pay really high taxes for your 
mistakes? Oops, I forgot, you don't pay any
U.S. taxes and you don't vote! 

AUSTIN, Texas — Texas Gov. Rick Perry fired 
up an anti-tax tea party Wednesday with 
his stance against the federal government 
and for states' rights as some in his U.S. 
flag-waving audience shouted, 'Secede!'...

Read more:

'Perry fires up anti-tax crowd'
By Kelley Shannon
Associated Press, April 15, 2009
http://tinyurl.com/dy3f4h 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Thom Hartmann and Alex Jones Simulcast

[Bhairitu]

Richard J. Williams wrote:
 Jones was born in Parkland Hospital in Dallas, Texas,
 and grew up in the suburb of Rockwall. He graduated 
 from Anderson High School in northwest Austin, Texas 
 in 1993.

   
 Bhairitu wrote:
   
 The show was well worth a listen and actually had a 
 lot of positive energy. Both sides need to come on 
 common ground and work together against the evils of 
 corporatism and globalism. I believe that can happen.

 
 Maybe so, but you'll be labeled a right-wing extremist
 if you're not careful. There are probably lots of things 
 you don't know about the Repug Alex Jones, including the 
 fact that he once tried to rebuild David Koresh's church 
 - he's not your kind of guy, Barry, obviously.
   
I listen to all sides except for the Faux folks though I watched about 
15 minutes of Glenn Beck's spiel last Friday about fascism.  His answer 
was pretty much keep the status quo which uncle Rupert would like.   
You have to understand that I am liberal minded because as a creative 
person I like freedom of speech and don't want a bunch of dumbshits 
employed by the government tell me I can't say certain things.  But then 
neither do a lot of so-called conservatives such as your buddy Alex 
Jones.   Where I differ with Alex is that I am pro-choice, believe we 
need to keep the population down (through humane means not eugenics) and 
I am not in favor of free trade at least as they seem to define it 
because I guess they think it is okay if the Chinese put lead in your 
food.  

I think the government should maintain the commons which means the 
highways, sewers, water, fire departments, police departments, etc.  
This is a gray area for them and I think really that they just don't 
want a big expensive government.   Alex has definitely spoken out 
against toll roads which I oppose too.  I don't want a big expensive 
government either and I don't also want big corporations who are just as 
dangerous and in many cases own the government.  Since some of that 
crowd consider themselves libertarians they seem to not mind big 
corporations or are blind to the problems they cause.  I also believe 
that a progressive tax is a tool not for the government to get a bunch 
of money from the wealthy but to dissuade the wealthy from accumulating 
too much wealth and hence power.  Otherwise you get a landed gentry 
who think themselves better than you or I.

I am definitely not a lock step liberal or someone who adopts the 
daily cause.  Those people are just as mush headed as the Rushbots or 
ditto heads.  I tried to get involved with a local peace group and found 
them just to be a bunch of boomers who wanted to relive the 1960's.  
They did nothing to try to get younger folks involved whose futures are 
more at stake than ours.  I walked away from them.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What do these two people have in common?

[I am the eternal]

On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 3:44 PM, Richard J. Williams willy...@yahoo.com wrote:
 AUSTIN, Texas — Texas Gov. Rick Perry fired
 up an anti-tax tea party Wednesday with
 his stance against the federal government
 and for states' rights as some in his U.S.
 flag-waving audience shouted, 'Secede!'...

Oh, God, don't tell me we're going to drag out that old wives tale
that when we joined the Union we were given the option to succeed and
also to break into 5 states.  There's just nothing in writing about
this arrangement.

Perry and other Republican governors are now dragging out the 10th
Amendment to the US Constitution, trying to make a statement for
Federalism.  OK, I agree that over the years Congress has passed all
these laws that required the states to spend money or hold the states
hostage such that if they wanted to get federal highway or other money
they had to enact laws mandating certain driving laws, licensing laws
and the like.  The Stimulus Package had a bunch of such
drag-them-by-the-balls requirements.  But gosh.  We're in a very
severe recession, which recession appears to be bottoming out and will
soon turn around.  Why now?  I guess the answer is that when is
desperation and living amongst a preponderance of Democrats, you pull
out Barry Goldwater II.




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[FairfieldLife] Buddhism on the rise

[nablusoss1008]

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Home http://www.buddhistchannel.tv/index.php?index   Asia Pacific
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http://www.buddhistchannel.tv/index.php?northasia   S/N Korea

   Corruption Scandals Rock Nation's Largest Buddhist Order By Kim
Ki-tae, The Korea Times, April 20, 2005
Seoul, South Korea -- The Chogye Order, the nation?s largest Buddhist
sector, is embroiled in a relay of internal illegalities and
irregularities and is tainting its transcendent image. Experts point out
that the order needs an overhaul as the incidents reflect the
underlining shady practices in the temples around the nation.

 Representatives from various Buddhist groups hold a news conference
to make an official statement regarding recent problems and allegations
of corruption faced by the Chogye Order of Korean Buddhism, at Chogye
Temple, Seoul, on April 12. Yonhap

According to recent reports, members of Pulguksa Temple in North
Kyongsang Province, one of the nation?s oldest temples, were found last
week to have run an illegal golf practice range within its compound for
three years. Its head monk is suspected to have gambled abroad and
violated a law on foreign currency exchange. He also allegedly purchased
a yacht. The prosecution is currently inspecting the charges. The monk
admitted last week to his involvement in the golf range, but denied all
of the other charges.

The head monk of Hwaomsa Temple, one of the nation?s largest temples, is
currently wanted by the police for allegedly embezzling 600 million won
($600,000) granted by the central and local governments for repairs to
the temple?s cultural assets.

Last week, a former Buddhist monk was arrested after stealing jewelry
and golf course membership cards thought to be worth hundreds of
millions of won from a Buddhist temple in Seoul. The list of stolen
items was met with surprise by the public as clerics are not supposed to
own private possessions, according to Buddhist beliefs.

In addition, some administrative monks in Seoul are suspected of
colluding with a construction firm to siphon off funds while contracting
it to build a Buddhist history museum. Members of the board of directors
at a Buddhism-related university are also suspected to be involved in
irregular transactions.

Embezzlement and other illegal practices are unfortunately not new to
the nation?s oldest religion. In 1999, there was a 20 billion won ($20
million) embezzlement case involving Seoul?s Chogye Temple, the very
center of the order. A monk also got away with 2.3 billion won at Pomosa
Temple in Pusan four years ago.

However, this time, Buddhist civic groups have joined hands to call for
an overhaul. Buddhist Solidarity for Reform and other civic groups early
last week held a joint press conference and demanded the order come
clean on all of the suspicious cases.

The Order?s Bureau of Office admitted to the deal related to the museum
construction in a media meeting held two days later. ``We will cancel
the contract,?? the Order?s spokesman Rev. Beop An said.

Regarding other suspected cases, he said the bureau could not reveal the
irregularities, as it only has limited power to review each temple?s
case. ``When necessary, we will resort to the prosecution,?? he said.

Pundits also point that the bureau is not capable of disciplining all of
the clerics. ``The Buddhist order does not have a unified top-down
hierarchy like the Vatican does,?? said a member of the order, who spoke
on condition of anonymity. ``It consists of many powerful `munjung,? a
school of monks under the guidance of a master. They have a more
powerful say than the central bureau over general monks.

``When a munjung goes wrong, the whole group could go corrupt with
little intervention from the top.??

Jung Woong-ki, a policymaker at the Buddhist Solidarity for Reform, said
that some munjungs degraded to an interest group, taking firm grips on
lucrative major temples and their auxiliary temples as their
strongholds. ``Many top monks of the munjungs wield financial and
administrative powers. The unchecked power, in many cases, goes
corrupt,?? Jung said. He point that the Buddhist temples need constant
monitoring from laymen as well as internal members.

Professor Yun Won-cheol of Seoul National University noted that the
current problems date to the post-liberation era. ``Many unqualified
people flowed into the temples during the convulsive period, many of
whom remained as leaders in many temples,?? he said.

Yun added that ample subsidy from the government also line the pocket of
many temples. ``The subsidy alone can make them wealthy without even
offerings,?? he said.

``Originally, clerics were not supposed to work for earnings and
depended on offerings from laymen. It is expected to make them both
humble to the laymen and concentrate on the religious works apart from
material desire,?? he said. ``Now wealthy and unchecked, some can go
corrupt.??

[FairfieldLife] Sex in the Buddhist monastery

[nablusoss1008]

 Sex in the monastery
http://www.bangkokpost.com/blogs/index.php/2009/01/30/sex-in-the-monast\
ery?blog=64  Posted by Sanitsuda Ekachai , Reader : 47189 , 10:01:06

   We used to be shocked by sex scandals in the clergy. Given the endless
stream of those wrongdoings, we no longer are. Heterosex has also become
old news. The rage now is about gay and paedophile monks.

   The latest scandal involved an abbot in Nakhon Si Thammarat. His lover
accused him of being unfaithful after finding out that the abbot had
invited a group of teenagers to drink and party at his quarters. The
last straw was reportedly the taint of semen on the abbot's mattress.

   Their quarrel turned violent. The jilted lover, after being beaten up,
reported the matter to the police. The abbot fled and quit the monkhood
to avoid arrest and forced disrobement.

   Having sexual intercourse, either straight or gay, is a cardinal sin
in the monks' code of conduct. Their monkhood automatically ends once
they commit the crime. When found out, they must be expelled from the
clergy.

   Other three cardinal sins include stealing, killing and boasting of
supernatural powers.

   How many real monks do we have left nowadays, given the widespread
sex scandals, temple corruption and commercialisation of Buddhism?

   The scandalous case of the Nakhon Si Thammarat abbot has highlighted
the issue of homosexuality in the clergy which has never received any
serious attention from the elders.

   Well, what's new? The elders, comfortable in their cocoon of prestige
and wealth, have never paid attention to any problems that have eroded
public faith in the clergy anyway.

   Since the abbot had already quit the monkhood, the issue was
considered closed. As a matter of procedure, the Office of National
Buddhism has advised abbots nationwide to be more strict with ordination
since it is against the vinaya to ordain the pandaka, which is
routinely translated as homosexuals.

   In today's more liberal society, the issue of homosexuality and
ordination has posed a challenge to traditional Buddhists. Since the
Buddha says all human beings have the Buddha nature in themselves,
meaning that everyone has the potential to attain nirvana, or spiritual
liberation. So why not gays of all shades too?

   If women in Theravada Buddhism feel they have the right to be ordained
so they can earnestly practice to transcend the illusion of self, lust,
greed, anger and hatred, why then should this spiritual chance be denied
to gay men and women?

   Some Buddhist experts have interpreted the ordination rule against the
pandaka as applicable only to transvestites. But this remains debatable.
Traditionalists would say it applies to gay men as a whole since it is
considered too dangerous to put fuel near a fire.

   May I add my two cents?

   The issue here is not about the ordination rule or homosexuality. It
is about violation of the vow of celibacy. And in many cases concerning
the scandal of gay monks, it is about the sexual abuse of children. It
is about letting paedophiles have a field day in the clergy.

   Gay or straight, this must not be tolerated.

   Many say they have noticed a stark increase in the number of katoey
novices who show little restraint in expressing themselves, including
the use of cosmetics, the readjusting of robes for a fashionable look,
and the public display of feminine gestures. Could this suggest rife
sexual abuse of minors in the temple, too?

   Inside temples, stories abound of paedophile sex. Not only novices but
temple boys are vulnerable to this abuse. If the abbots are not the
abusers themselves, they often involved other senior monks.

   Many abbots confess their fear to intervene, not only with sexual
matters but also other misconduct. Drugs, for example. The temples have
become a refuge for people with problematic backgrounds and are ridden
with power plays between cliques and factions. Trying to expel rogue
monks, they say, might cost them their lives.

   And why do anything when the top monks do not care anyway?

   The monks' sex scandals are just one of the symptoms of the crisis in
the clergy. When monks no longer know what ordination and monkhood
means, there is little hope for change.

Re: [FairfieldLife] What do these two people have in common?

[Kirk]

Gotcha, it takes a deviant mind to make that connection.

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[FairfieldLife] Autism and neurotypicals

[bob_brigante]

http://snipurl.com/g1o9j http://snipurl.com/g1o9j  
[www_economist_com]

excerpt:

The question of how the autistic brain differs physically from that of
neurotypicals was addressed by Manuel Casanova of the University of
Louisville, in Kentucky. Dr Casanova has spent many years dissecting
both. His conclusion is that the main difference is in the structure of
the small columns of nerve cells that are packed together to form the
cerebral cortex. The cortical columns of those on the autistic spectrum
are narrower than those of neurotypicals, and their cells are organised
differently.

The upshot of these differences is that the columns in an autistic brain
seem to be more connected than normal with their close neighbours, and
less connected with their distant ones. Though it is an interpretative
stretch, that pattern of connection might reduce a person's ability
to generalise (since disparate data are less easily integrated) and
increase his ability to concentrate (by drawing together similar
inputs).
  Rain and sunshine
Given such anatomical differences, then, what hope is there for the
neurotypical who would like to be a savant? Some, possibly. There are
examples of people suddenly developing extraordinary skills in painting
and music in adult life as a result of brain damage caused by accidents
or strokes. That, perhaps, is too high a price to pay. But Allan Snyder
of the University of Sydney has been able to induce what looks like a
temporary version of this phenomenon using magnetism.

Dr Snyder argues that savant skills are latent in everyone, but that
access to them is inhibited in non-savants by other neurological
processes. He is able to remove this inhibition using a technique called
repetitive transcranial magnetic stimulation.

Applying a magnetic field to part of the brain disrupts the electrical
activity of the nerve cells for a few seconds. Applying such a field
repeatedly can have effects that last for an hour or so. The technique
has been approved for the treatment of depression, and is being tested
against several other conditions, including Parkinson's disease and
migraines. Dr Snyder, however, has found that stimulating an area called
the left anterior temporal lobe improves people's ability to draw
things like animals and faces from memory. It helps them, too, with
other tasks savants do famously well—proofreading, for example, and
estimating the number of objects in a large group, such as a pile of
match sticks. It also reduces false memories (savants tend to
remember things literally, rather than constructing a mnemonic narrative
and remembering that).

[FairfieldLife] Re: What do these two people have in common?

[Richard J. Williams]

  AUSTIN, Texas — Texas Gov. Rick Perry fired
  up an anti-tax tea party Wednesday with
  his stance against the federal government
  and for states' rights as some in his U.S.
  flag-waving audience shouted, 'Secede!'...
 
L.Shaddai wrote:
 Oh, God, don't tell me we're going to drag out that
 old wives tale that when we joined the Union we
 were given the option to succeed and also to
 break into 5 states.  ..

[FairfieldLife] Re: Homeland Security Warns of Rightwing Extremists

[Richard J. Williams]

  Yes, things are starting to look very, very 
  suspicious. Barry2 should be looking under
  his bed!
 
Barry2 wrote:
 Nah, the way that government works they would 
 probably want to make me the block warden.

Maybe so.

Protesting is a good thing - it's good for democracy. 
Anyone who opposes the free right to protest is 
opposed to democracy. 

Protest, in order to effective, must be disruptive. 
It must wake people up. But, if you try to protest 
in any way that distrupts anything, the government 
sends in swat teams in riot gear. This is not good 
for democracy. 

You already know that, since you are a protester.

[FairfieldLife] Tea Party (Taxed Enough Already) in Fairfield?

[Richard J. Williams]

Protests against Washington spending took 
place in more than 700 US cities Wednesday:

With protests in more than 700 US cities 
Wednesday, and perhaps over 100,000 Americans 
taking part, it's clear that a populist 
counterpoint is expanding to protest what they 
see as Washington profligacy. They're zeroing 
in on corporate bailouts, a historic stimulus 
package, and a budget that could add trillions 
of dollars to the already massive US deficit.

Critics call tea partiers an irrational minority, 
their movement a sign of a conservative power 
vacuum.

Yet the impressive organizing effort – styled 
in many ways like the Democratic social-networking 
playbook that worked so well last fall – does 
indicate to some experts that the Tea Parties 
could have an effect on the body politic.

Read more:

'Tea Party protests: Could they rally change in 
government?'
By Patrik Jonsson
Christian Science Monitor, April 16, 2009
http://tinyurl.com/dmapfw

Re: [FairfieldLife] Buddhism on the rise

[Vaj]

On Apr 16, 2009, at 5:16 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote:

According to recent reports, members of Pulguksa Temple in North  
Kyongsang Province, one of the nation?s oldest temples, were found  
last week to have run an illegal golf practice range within its  
compound for three years.


I knew it was only a matter of time till the evils of golf hit the  
Buddhist world. What's next, bowling and Bingo?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Homeland Security Warns of Rightwing Extremists

[Robert]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal l.shad...@... wrote:

 On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 8:06 AM, Richard J. Williams willy...@... wrote:
  guyfawkes wrote:
  Yeah, very strange that the Europeans are among
  the most racist groups of people on the planet,
  but it's not surprising, since we've known this
  since before WW II.
 
  A poll commissioned by the ADL shows that 33%
  of Europeans blame the Jews for the financial
  meltdown. A mind-boggling 74% Spaniards think
  so.
 
 And the Europeans have a reason to be racist against the Jews.  When
 the massive voyages for trade began after Columbus discovered
 America, there was the need for lots of capital, i.e. banks.  Now the
 Christians decided that loaning money and collecting interest on it
 was not biblical, so the Jews were given/ordered to do the job.  The
 Jews did well in their new role as money lenders.  A lot of resentment
 was generated amongst the Christians and hence the numerous epic poems
 putting Jews in a bad light and the Shakespearean play where a pound
 of flesh was involved.
 
 Fast forward to Poland where the king of Poland realized that he
 wasn't turning the profit he wanted on his kingdom, so he divided it
 up and put Jews in charge of the pieces.  These Jews had the power of
 life and death over his subjects and of course their charge was to
 turn a handsome profit over to the king.  They had to, of course,
 prosper as well.   So of course the Europeans associated Jews with
 finance and further, as greedy bastards with no morals.  True or not,
 that's the way they were portrayed and old memories die hard.
 
 If certain asshats on FFL want to sling the judgement racist' at me,
 I'll say ahead of time, kiss my ass.

What did you hope to accomplish with this post?
Haven't we seen this movie before.
The so-called Christians, bow down before thier Jewish God, Jesus...
So, they are the ultimate hypocites.
The original commandment for the Jews, was to not loan money at interest...
I'm not sure why this prejudice continues.
It's all so stupid.
Scapegoating does die hard.
It so much easier to point your finger, at some one else for your troubles...
It all just creates more karma to be worked out later.
Money, war and oil...
Follow the money.
R.G.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Buddhism on the rise

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:

 
 On Apr 16, 2009, at 5:16 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote:
 
  According to recent reports, members of Pulguksa Temple in North  
  Kyongsang Province, one of the nation?s oldest temples, were found  
  last week to have run an illegal golf practice range within its  
  compound for three years.
 
 I knew it was only a matter of time till the evils of golf hit the  
 Buddhist world. What's next, bowling and Bingo?

According to the other article he posted, 'teh ghey secks' is the next big 
thing in the Buddhist world.

[FairfieldLife] Paedophile sex in the Buddhist monasteries

[nablusoss1008]

For our dedicated Buddhists; Vaj and Barry the Turqey:

 Inside temples, stories abound of paedophile sex. Not only novices but
 temple boys are vulnerable to this abuse. If the abbots are not the
 abusers themselves, they often involved other senior monks.

Read more: http://tinyurl.com/bycgyb

[FairfieldLife] Crop circles

[do.rflex]

http://photos1.blogger.com/photoInclude/blogger/5977/1136/1600/haircutalien.0.jpg

Re: [FairfieldLife] Buddhism on the rise

[Kirk]

It's not Buddhism. What Nabby and other here are all raising hell about, 
whether it be regarding duplicities of Buddhist leaders or Hindus are the 
tendencies of PEOPLE to mythologise the orient so as to disallow it to have any 
faults. What few are willing to admit is that all philosophies are created by 
HUMANS, and therefore subject to the usual complaints of humanity. I thank 
Nabby for presenting us the opportunity to think on this Orientocentricism, (or 
orientation?) as something inherently more noble than other modes of thinking 
such as typical Western ethics.  No system of though precludes a person from 
abusing the trust of others, especially insofar as it wields near absolute 
power. I admit personally to enjoying the diversity of all peoples as providing 
a system of checks and balances through different philosophies because we all 
see the obvious truth that absolute power corrupts absolutely. Thanks Nowblowus 
for these articles. Keep em coming. 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Vaj 
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 5:30 PM
  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Buddhism on the rise






  On Apr 16, 2009, at 5:16 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote:


According to recent reports, members of Pulguksa Temple in North Kyongsang 
Province, one of the nation?s oldest temples, were found last week to have run 
an illegal golf practice range within its compound for three years.


  I knew it was only a matter of time till the evils of golf hit the Buddhist 
world. What's next, bowling and Bingo?



  

[FairfieldLife] Golfing Buddhists explains Obama's failings (Re: Buddhism on the rise)

[Duveyoung]

Given that they say that one out of every ten persons has a major personality 
dysfunction equal to, say, a strong neurosis if not a psychosis, we simply 
cannot expect that any large group will be free of deviants who are certain to 
be masked enough such that they are not immediately spotted for the kinds of 
disquieting dynamics they'd bring to a group.

I've never really gotten into thinking Catholicism was inherently foul because 
of the actions of its pedophiles, since, virtually every group has its 
potential to give its power to clever-but-evil individuals.  We see the likes 
of priests and bigass Christian leaders getting into sex troubles, but consider 
that, in Fairfield, I know that a guy at Telegroup was fired because of his 
sexual aggressiveness upon his underlings, and it never made even the local 
headlines, but a golfing Lama, now you gots a headline.

Like this, every group is at risk, but only some get a spotlight.  The fact 
that BigMedia chose to write about this story when they could have written 
about the 30,000 children who died today, because of dirty water, is not hiding 
anything, right? -- clearly BigMedia is merely printing in-house publications 
that are strongly controlled by BigMoney. 

WWIII could start tomorrow, but the next day, if Britney Spears gets arrested 
for a driving infraction, the war will have to share top billing.  

Considering that golfing Buddhists are spotlit while children die, it may be 
that we can see in that disconnect that BigMedia is so confident about its 
power to grab the American Attention, that we can begin to understand Obama's 
failings of late.

Given Obama's recent footdragging on several issues, one wonders what the 
powers-that-be have over him that he is not rapidly fixing the evil of 
BushCo's security abuses. How powerful  are they really?  I suggest that 
Obama only now is getting a handle on what BigBiz is willing to do from a 
grassy knoll. 

What could it be that they can say to him that keeps him from really getting 
down to the bottom of the economic crash, the institutionalization of torture, 
spying on Americans without a warrant, etc.?  

Answer:  don't know and BigMedia isn't telling.

Guesses:

1. They simply paid him off -- a couple billion might be his asking price.

2. They really are in contacts with aliens who are controlling the planet's 
evolution.

3. Obama was  a sellout from the get-go and his campaign was as much a ruse as 
that of any politician's; that is, get elected and steal the country blind.

4. The ramifications of certain new policies would disrupt the main functions 
of a project that should not be stymied, e.g. putting the BushCo bastards on 
trial would lead to such a dilution of the group consciousness that Obama's 
power-of-the-people would be greatly reduced.  Right now, Obama just has to 
show up in front of a camera and he gets national prime time exposure.  But, 
get an O.J. trial going and BigMedia will have us all slavering about the 
trial so that, yep, BigMoney can continue to do its thing, and it will deplete 
the national will to do something really powerful, really good, instead of 
spending the nation's shakti on six defendants.  You can only get it up so 
many times, and BigMedia knows how to get the masses to blow their wads.

5. He's biding his time.  Four years to get to the torturing fucks, but right 
now, triage is the name of the game.  Gradually, eventually, the CEO's will be 
hung in the public square for holding our nation up for a Trillion Dollar 
Ransom.

6. He's got some really big plans that will require that he uses all his 
political capital, and if he prosecutes the BushCo crew, he'll lose just 
enough support from the right to pass, say, a flat tax that includes taxing 
financial transactions.  I heard today that if such a tax came to be, the tax 
rate on the ordinary person would be about .003 percent, because the 
speculators do such a huge amount of purchasing and would end up financing the 
whole country from even a very small tax upon them.

7.  And so on.

Edg

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:

 
 On Apr 16, 2009, at 5:16 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote:
 
  According to recent reports, members of Pulguksa Temple in North  
  Kyongsang Province, one of the nation?s oldest temples, were found  
  last week to have run an illegal golf practice range within its  
  compound for three years.
 
 I knew it was only a matter of time till the evils of golf hit the  
 Buddhist world. What's next, bowling and Bingo?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Buddhism on the rise

[enlightened_dawn11]

smugness aside, since you asked Vaj, what is next is mass murder in Sri Lanka:

http://tinyurl.com/d6phnp

Ethnic cleansing and mass murder in the name of Buddhism and tolerance

By: TCHR/CTDH
Courtesy: www.tchr.net (10 May 2006)
 
TAMIL CENTRE FOR HUMAN RIGHTS - TCHR/CTDHCENTRE TAMOUL POUR LES DROITS DE 
L'HOMME (Established in 1990)(UN accredited NGO to the World Summit on 
Information Society)

Ref : EH074/PR/2006

Is it necessary for any President or even the Prime Minister of Sri Lanka to 
identify themselves in public or to the media as being a Buddhist? From 
historical evidence the world knows that only a Buddhist can be President or 
Prime Minister of Sri Lanka. The Late Minister of Foreign Affairs Lakshman 
Kathirgamar, a Tamil who dedicated his life to strengthening the Sinhala nation 
was shocked and disappointed in April 2004, when his candidacy for the 
Premiership was opposed by the present President Mahinda Rajapaksa. Today in 
the absence of Lakshman Kathirgamar, to gain political mileage, the Sinhala 
nation praises him as a National Hero and has created a Kathirgamar Charity. 
All this is political hypocrisy.

On 19 November 2005, Mahinda Rajapaksa was sworn in as Sri Lanka's fifth 
executive President. Now, after almost five months in office, what has been 
achieved by Rajapaksa in the name of Peace and Peace negotiations to end the 
island's twenty years of bloody conflict? It is well known that Mahinda 
Rajapaksa frequently impresses the international community with the importance 
of Buddhism and tolerance.

……I am a Buddhist. I believe in the importance of tolerance…… (President 
Mahinda Rajapaksa in an interview with 'TIME'– 12 February 2006)

President Mahinda Rajapaksa yesterday said no other leader in the world in the 
recent past would have displayed the degree of patience that he was exercising 
in the face of the highest level of provocations. 
(http://www.peaceinsrilanka.org - 25 April 2006).

Are the international community and countries practising Buddhism duped by 
these sweet words of President Rajapaksa? The events which have taken place 
within the last five months have proved that Rajapaksa does not practice what 
he preaches. Being an Executive President, claiming to have a high degree of 
patience and tolerance, he has been responsible for the killing of more than 
300 innocent Tamils. Academics, educationalists, parliamentarians, journalists, 
businessmen and others have been killed by security forces and the paramilitary 
forces for which President Rajapaksa is the Commander in Chief? Do Buddhism and 
tolerance permit these killings? (Detailed list of killings of innocent people, 
from 19 November 2005 is given below)

If Rajapaksa were genuinely committed to patience and tolerance, then this 
would have to be taken seriously by members of the international community and 
civil society. The sweet words of a person who is responsible for more than 300 
killings and various other serious violations within five months of being in 
office, cannot be trusted in future.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:

 
 On Apr 16, 2009, at 5:16 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote:
 
  According to recent reports, members of Pulguksa Temple in North  
  Kyongsang Province, one of the nation?s oldest temples, were found  
  last week to have run an illegal golf practice range within its  
  compound for three years.
 
 I knew it was only a matter of time till the evils of golf hit the  
 Buddhist world. What's next, bowling and Bingo?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Buddhism on the rise

[Duveyoung]

From Rick's humor list: if you want to fix an Oriental, spin them around and 
around until they're disoriented.

Edg

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk kirk_bernha...@... wrote:

 It's not Buddhism. What Nabby and other here are all raising hell about, 
 whether it be regarding duplicities of Buddhist leaders or Hindus are the 
 tendencies of PEOPLE to mythologise the orient so as to disallow it to have 
 any faults. What few are willing to admit is that all philosophies are 
 created by HUMANS, and therefore subject to the usual complaints of humanity. 
 I thank Nabby for presenting us the opportunity to think on this 
 Orientocentricism, (or orientation?) as something inherently more noble than 
 other modes of thinking such as typical Western ethics.  No system of though 
 precludes a person from abusing the trust of others, especially insofar as it 
 wields near absolute power. I admit personally to enjoying the diversity of 
 all peoples as providing a system of checks and balances through different 
 philosophies because we all see the obvious truth that absolute power 
 corrupts absolutely. Thanks Nowblowus for these articles. Keep em coming. 
   - Original Message - 
   From: Vaj 
   To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
   Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 5:30 PM
   Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Buddhism on the rise
 
 
 
 
 
 
   On Apr 16, 2009, at 5:16 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote:
 
 
 According to recent reports, members of Pulguksa Temple in North 
 Kyongsang Province, one of the nation?s oldest temples, were found last week 
 to have run an illegal golf practice range within its compound for three 
 years.
 
 
   I knew it was only a matter of time till the evils of golf hit the Buddhist 
 world. What's next, bowling and Bingo?

[FairfieldLife] Re: What do these two people have in common?

[ruthsimplicity]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal l.shad...@... wrote:

 On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 3:44 PM, Richard J. Williams willy...@... wrote:
  AUSTIN, Texas — Texas Gov. Rick Perry fired
  up an anti-tax tea party Wednesday with
  his stance against the federal government
  and for states' rights as some in his U.S.
  flag-waving audience shouted, 'Secede!'...
 
 Oh, God, don't tell me we're going to drag out that old wives tale
 that when we joined the Union we were given the option to succeed and
 also to break into 5 states.  There's just nothing in writing about
 this arrangement.
 
You must not be a Texas native? Yes, there was the right to split into up to 
five states.  No, no right to secede.  
http://www.snopes.com/history/american/texas.asp

What Snopes doesn't discuss is whether the secession of Texas during the civil 
war and then readmission to the union made the original admission document 
moot.  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Buddhism on the rise

[Vaj]

On Apr 16, 2009, at 7:30 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote:smugness aside, since you asked Vaj, what is next is mass murder in Sri Lanka:http://tinyurl.com/d6phnpEthnic cleansing and mass murder in the name of Buddhism and toleranceBy: TCHR/CTDHCourtesy:www.tchr.net(10 May 2006)TAMIL CENTRE FOR HUMAN RIGHTS - TCHR/CTDHCENTRE TAMOUL POUR LES DROITS DE L'HOMME (Established in 1990)(UN accredited NGO to the World Summit on Information Society)Ref : EH074/PR/2006Thanks for the Pro Tamil Tiger news clip on Sri Lanka from...Quebec!http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamil_tigersThe Tamil separatists have history of exploiting Canadians:Tamil Tigers Extort Diaspora for ‘Final War’ FundsTamil Families and Businesses in Canada, UK ThreatenedMARCH 13, 2006DOWNLOADABLE RESOURCES:Also available in தமிழ்RELATED MATERIALS:Sri Lanka: Political Killings EscalateFunding the "Final War"The culture of fear is so strong that even Tamils who do not support the Tamil Tigers feel they have no choice but to give money, knowing they are funding political killings and the recruitment of children as soldiers in Sri Lanka.Jo Becker, author of the reportThe Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE or Tamil Tigers) subject Sri Lankan Tamils living in Canada, the United Kingdom and other Western countries to intimidation, extortion and even violence to ensure a steady flow of funds for operations in Sri Lanka and to suppress criticism of human rights abuses, said Human Rights Watch in a newreportreleased today.The 45-page report,Funding the ‘Final War’: LTTE Intimidation and Extortion in the Tamil Diaspora, details how representatives of the LTTE and pro-LTTE groups use unlawful pressure among Tamil communities in the West to secure financial pledges. People were told that if they did not pay the requested sum, they would not be able to return to Sri Lanka to visit family members. Others were warned that they would be “dealt with” or “taught a lesson.” One Toronto business owner said that after he refused to pay more than C$20,000, Tamil Tiger representatives made threats against his wife and children.“The Tamil Tigers are exporting the terrors of war to Tamils living in the West,” said Jo Becker, author of the report. “Many members of the diaspora actively support the Tamil Tigers. But the culture of fear is so strong that even Tamils who don’t feel they have no choice but to give money.”Almost one-quarter of Sri Lanka’s Tamil population fled the country during the 19 years of active warfare between the Tamil Tigers and the Sri Lankan government, creating a Tamil diaspora of between 600,000 and 800,000 worldwide. Nearly half of these people reside in Canada and the United Kingdom; other Western countries with a significant Sri Lankan Tamil diaspora include Germany, Switzerland, France and Australia. Many of these people or their relatives suffered human rights violations at the hands of the Sinhala-dominated Sri Lankan government and openly support the LTTE.In late 2005, the Tamil Tigers launched an aggressive and systematic fundraising drive in Canada and parts of Europe to pressure individuals and business owners in the Tamil diaspora to give money for what they called the “final war” between the Tamil Tigers and the Sri Lankan government. The fundraising campaign coincided with an escalation of LTTE attacks against Sri Lankan forces that threatened Sri Lanka’s four-year-old ceasefire.In Toronto, home to the majority of Canadian Tamils, LTTE representatives typically press families for C$2,500 to C$5,000, while some businesses have been asked for up to C$100,000. In London, many families are asked for £2,000 and businesses are approached for amounts ranging from £10,000 to £100,000. Tamils in Norway and France report being approached for similar amounts.Tamils unable to pay say they have been told by LTTE fundraisers to borrow the money, make a contribution on their credit card, or even re-mortgage their home. One individual who was unemployed when approached by the Tigers was told that he should cut out one meal a day to enable him to give to the LTTE.The Tamil Tigers have long sought control over Sri Lankan Tamil institutions in Western countries, including the Tamil media, civic organizations, and Hindu temples. In 2005, the LTTE detained two U.K. Tamils for several weeks in Sri Lanka until they agreed to hand over control of a London temple to a group aligned with the LTTE.Journalists and activists in the Tamil diaspora who openly criticize the Tamil Tigers or are perceived to be anti-LTTE have been subject to severe beatings, death threats, smear campaigns, and fabricated criminal charges by the Tamil Tigers or groups aligned with them.“Sri Lankan Tamils living in the West fear that if they speak out about Tamil Tiger abuses, they may put themselves and their families at risk,” said Becker. “Despite the diaspora’s size and potential influence on LTTE practices, the Tamil Tigers’ threats, intimidation, and even violence have effectively 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Tea Party (Taxed Enough Already) in Fairfield?

[Vaj]

On Apr 16, 2009, at 5:50 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote:


Critics call tea partiers an irrational minority,
their movement a sign of a conservative power
vacuum.



Hmmm. Let me see. The first Boston Tea Party was against tax without  
representation...so the claim of needing a new Tea Party kinda doesn't  
make sense since all Americans have representation...


Maybe these Tea Parties are caused by children who were 'left behind'  
in their school studies? I say we round them up and provide them with  
standard GED materials so they can learn grade school history!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Paedophile sex in the Buddhist monasteries

[Vaj]

Uh, you are aware that Maitreya is the Buddha to come, right? Just  
checkin'.



On Apr 16, 2009, at 6:57 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote:



For our dedicated Buddhists; Vaj and Barry the Turqey:

Inside temples, stories abound of paedophile sex. Not only novices  
but

temple boys are vulnerable to this abuse. If the abbots are not the
abusers themselves, they often involved other senior monks.


Read more: http://tinyurl.com/bycgyb

[FairfieldLife] Re: Tea-bagging on TV

[ruthsimplicity]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote:

 http://tinyurl.com/d6337l
 
 Tea-bagging Urban Dictionary: The act of dipping a man's ball sack into 
 another person's mouth with the intent of sexual gratification. It can be a 
 heterosexual activity, but usually it is associated with gay men.


I love this part of the definition:  with the intent of sexual gratification. 
 What other intent could you have?  Oops, my balls slipped?  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Buddhism on the rise

[Kirk]

This is effectively what Maharishi has done with so many.

- Original Message - 
From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 6:31 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Buddhism on the rise


 From Rick's humor list: if you want to fix an Oriental, spin them around 
 and around until they're disoriented.

 Edg

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk kirk_bernha...@... wrote:

 It's not Buddhism. What Nabby and other here are all raising hell about, 
 whether it be regarding duplicities of Buddhist leaders or Hindus are the 
 tendencies of PEOPLE to mythologise the orient so as to disallow it to 
 have any faults. What few are willing to admit is that all philosophies 
 are created by HUMANS, and therefore subject to the usual complaints of 
 humanity. I thank Nabby for presenting us the opportunity to think on 
 this Orientocentricism, (or orientation?) as something inherently more 
 noble than other modes of thinking such as typical Western ethics.  No 
 system of though precludes a person from abusing the trust of others, 
 especially insofar as it wields near absolute power. I admit personally 
 to enjoying the diversity of all peoples as providing a system of checks 
 and balances through different philosophies because we all see the 
 obvious truth that absolute power corrupts absolutely. Thanks Nowblowus 
 for these articles. Keep em coming.
   - Original Message - 
   From: Vaj
   To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 5:30 PM
   Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Buddhism on the rise






   On Apr 16, 2009, at 5:16 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote:


 According to recent reports, members of Pulguksa Temple in North 
 Kyongsang Province, one of the nation?s oldest temples, were found last 
 week to have run an illegal golf practice range within its compound for 
 three years.


   I knew it was only a matter of time till the evils of golf hit the 
 Buddhist world. What's next, bowling and Bingo?





 

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Tea-bagging on TV

[Richard J. Williams]

Ruth wrote: 
 I love this part of the definition:  with 
 the intent of sexual gratification.  What 
 other intent could you have?  Oops, my balls 
 slipped?

'Oops, Ruth has a smutty mouth now.

I've never seen anything like it, Bozell said. 
The oral sex jokes on (CNN) and particularly 
MSNBC on teabagging ... they had them by the 
dozens. That's how insulting they were toward 
people who believe they're being taxed too 
highly. 

Max Pappas, public policy vice president at 
FreedomWorks -- a small-government group which 
promoted the tea parties -- said it's a shame 
media outlets cracked jokes at a genuine 
grassroots uprising. 

I think what that reveals is how worried they 
are that this might actually be something 
serious. You make fun of things you're afraid 
of, I'd say, Pappas said. 

Read more:

'Cable Anchors, Guests Use Tea Parties as 
Platform for Frat House Humor'
Fox News, Thursday, April 16, 2009
http://tinyurl.com/ddskjo

[FairfieldLife] Re: Buddhism on the rise

[Richard J. Williams]

enlightened_dawn wrote:
 Ethnic cleansing and mass murder in the name of 
 Buddhism and tolerance...
 
The Tamil Tigers are among the most dangerous and 
deadly extremists in the world. The Tamil Tigers 
(LTTE) are currently proscribed as a terrorist 
organization by 32 countries. 

The Tamil Tigers are a militant Hindu cult and are 
notorious for committing atrocities against civilians, 
women and children. They worship the tantric goddess, 
'Muru' and practice blood sacrifices on a daily basis. 

The Tigers have carried out high profile attacks, 
including the assassinations of several high-ranking 
Sri Lankan and Indian politicians, including India's 
Prime Minister, Rajiv Gandhi. 

Their specialty is the recruiting of child soldiers. 
The LTTE, which may have between 7,000 and 15,000 
armed combatants, is notorious for its suicide 
bombings. Since the late 1980s, the group has 
conducted approximately two hundred suicide attacks.

The LTTE invented the suicide belt and they pioneered 
the use of women in suicide attacks. The LTTE has 
carried out more suicide bombings than Hamas, Islamic 
Jihad, and al-Qaeda combined. The LTTE is responsible 
for forcibly removing, or ethnically cleansing 
150,000 Sinhalese and Muslim inhabitants.

Read more:

'Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam' 
Council on Foreign Relations
http://www.cfr.org/publication/9242/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Buddhism on the rise

[enlightened_dawn11]

oops, sorry Vaj, i forgot to take into account your deficient reading skills-- 
all of that mindfulness apparently doesn't translate into accurate appraisal of 
written materials.

the article is clearly a reprint from a UN recognized NGO based in France, with 
branches in the Netherlands, Switzerland, the UK, Australia and yes, Canada 
(TAMIL CENTRE FOR HUMAN RIGHTS - TCHR/CTDHCENTRE TAMOUL POUR LES DROITS DE 
L'HOMME (Established in 1990)(UN accredited NGO to the World Summit on 
Information Society).

http://www.tchr.net/aboutus_branches_detail.htm

probably feeling a little less smug, eh?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:

 
 On Apr 16, 2009, at 7:30 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote:
 
  smugness aside, since you asked Vaj, what is next is mass murder in  
  Sri Lanka:
 
  http://tinyurl.com/d6phnp
 
  Ethnic cleansing and mass murder in the name of Buddhism and tolerance
 
  By: TCHR/CTDH
  Courtesy: www.tchr.net (10 May 2006)
 
  TAMIL CENTRE FOR HUMAN RIGHTS - TCHR/CTDHCENTRE TAMOUL POUR LES  
  DROITS DE L'HOMME (Established in 1990)(UN accredited NGO to the  
  World Summit on Information Society)
 
  Ref : EH074/PR/2006
 
 
 Thanks for the Pro Tamil Tiger news clip on Sri Lanka from...Quebec!
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamil_tigers
 
 The Tamil separatists have history of exploiting Canadians:
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Homeland Security Warns of Rightwing Extremists

[Nelson]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives boo_li...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willytex@ wrote:
 
  Nelson wrote:
   If you disagree with government policy you 
   become a terrorist? Thing are starting to 
   look suspicious - does anyone notice?
  
  Yes, things are starting to look very, very 
  suspicious. Barry2 should be looking under
  his bed!
  
 So comforting to see republicans hating their country again.  the 8 yrs they 
 spent loving it under bush almost ruined us.  the 8 yrs they spent 
 fantasizing about being persecuted under clinton were great for the economy.

  I would think that most of us would say this country is the best and so 
resent either administrations efforts to dismantle it.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Buddhism on the rise

[enlightened_dawn11]

i am not an advocate for the Tamil Tigers. perhaps you should read the article 
though.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willy...@... 
wrote:

 enlightened_dawn wrote:
  Ethnic cleansing and mass murder in the name of 
  Buddhism and tolerance...
  
 The Tamil Tigers are among the most dangerous and 
 deadly extremists in the world. The Tamil Tigers 
 (LTTE) are currently proscribed as a terrorist 
 organization by 32 countries. 
 
 The Tamil Tigers are a militant Hindu cult and are 
 notorious for committing atrocities against civilians, 
 women and children. They worship the tantric goddess, 
 'Muru' and practice blood sacrifices on a daily basis. 
 
 The Tigers have carried out high profile attacks, 
 including the assassinations of several high-ranking 
 Sri Lankan and Indian politicians, including India's 
 Prime Minister, Rajiv Gandhi. 
 
 Their specialty is the recruiting of child soldiers. 
 The LTTE, which may have between 7,000 and 15,000 
 armed combatants, is notorious for its suicide 
 bombings. Since the late 1980s, the group has 
 conducted approximately two hundred suicide attacks.
 
 The LTTE invented the suicide belt and they pioneered 
 the use of women in suicide attacks. The LTTE has 
 carried out more suicide bombings than Hamas, Islamic 
 Jihad, and al-Qaeda combined. The LTTE is responsible 
 for forcibly removing, or ethnically cleansing 
 150,000 Sinhalese and Muslim inhabitants.
 
 Read more:
 
 'Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam' 
 Council on Foreign Relations
 http://www.cfr.org/publication/9242/