[FairfieldLife] Re: Fry at MUM

[bob_brigante]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, pranamoocher bh...@... wrote:

 Fry at MUM- what an appropriate title for the stress release that many
 people go through when living here or rounding for the first time.




***

Fry's funny letter to his future self from his 16 yr old self:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/apr/30/stephen-fry-letter-gay-right\
s
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/apr/30/stephen-fry-letter-gay-righ\
ts

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fry at MUM

[Hugo]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote:
 
  TM turns you into a soppy newage fruitcake.

A marvellously creative bit of editing Doug.


 Om, thems fighten words Hugo.  Spittin'.  Why, I'd stake Rick Arcer again you 
 and that Turq guy or may be even the Vaj anyday.  Now, Rick he's a meditator, 
 ain't hardly missed no meditation his whole damned adult life.  Is an 
 inspired meditator, gladiator if ever ther was.  Of course not a 
 representative of the campus, but yous proly pale in comparison anyway.  
 Fuyck ewe non-meditator.  Show what kind your light man.  What do you do for 
 spiritual practice anyway?

[FairfieldLife] File - FFL Acronyms

[FairfieldLife]

BC - Brahman Consciousness
BN - Bliss Ninny or Bliss Nazi
CC - Cosmic Consciousness
GC - God Consciousness
MMY - Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
OTP - Off the Program - a phrase used in the TM movement meaning to do 
something (such as see another spiritual teacher) considered in violation of 
Maharishi's program.
POV - Point of View
SBS - Swami Brahmananda Saraswati, Maharishi's master
SCI – Science of Creative Intelligence
SOC - State of Consciousness
SSRS - Sri Sri Ravi Shankar (Pundit-ji)
SV - Stpathya Ved (Vedic Architecture)
TB - True Believer (in TM doctrines)
TNB - True Non-Believer
TMO - The Transcendental Meditation organization
TTC – TM Teacher Training Course
UC - Unity Consciousness
WYMS - World Youth Meditation Society later changed to World Youth Movement 
for the Science of Creative Intelligence was founded by Peter Hübner in 
Germany, as a national TM outlet competing with SIMS, Students International 
Meditation Society
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fry at MUM

[Hugo]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony...@... wrote:

   
   Here's the video from that segment:
   
   http://alex.natel.net/ffl/video/stephen_fry_in_fairfield.wmv
  
  Here's version I created in iMovie:
  
  http://alex.natel.net/ffl/video/stephen_fry_in_fairfield.m4v
 
 
 
 Frey,
 
 Yeah, he evidently drove round the town square and did took that standard 
 dignitary tour on campus which is impressive and minded 
in its own right, but obviously did not get out and talk with real meditators 
of the FF community.  There is some way more substance 
to the story; Fry's was just journalistic gimmickry passing through that did 
not catch or do justice at all to what might have been here.

If you read the whole chapter he spent a couple of days around 
town and talking to students. Plus a day with Fred Travis should
have done quite a lot of justice what they are up too. If it didn't you have to 
ask what the press office is playing at, if the BBC 
were sending one of their most popular writers/presenters to me 
for a day I'd make sure everything was laid on and perfect so 
they could find out whatever they want and really get the feel of
the place.

Plus he'd obviously read up on TM and yogic flying to have some 
questions ready. I think he did rather well actually given that
he was covering the whole country in a ten - part series. In
fact everything he said echoes what I think about the ideas
behind TM perfectly. I was quite touched that someone with 
only a few minutes experience of TM culture opted to use the
same punctuation for vedic science that I do. But then our 
Stephen is a clever sort of chap, don't let the amiable, bumbling
persona fool you.
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Quantum gods don't deserve your faith (?)

[Hugo]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony...@... wrote:

  paste Several things are (in) play here: 
   
  First we have Maharishi vedic science Which is an ancient set of beliefs 
  that is undergoing validation predominantly by the TM organization over the 
  last 35 to 40 years.

What aspects are being validated? That meditation can be good
for you is abvious but what about the underlying philosophy.
Are they implying that John Hagelin has proved anything?

I'm actually interested in this because objective validation
is the only thing that will convince anyone other than those 
with a pre-disposition to TM.


Even though this is an ancient science the fact that it is undergoing 
contemporary validation by western science and technology places it in the 
category of a proto science, see the following definition. 
  end of paste. 
 
 more paste
 Protoscience refers to historical philosophical disciplines which existed 
 prior to the development of scientific method, which allowed them to develop 
 into science proper (see prescientific). A standard example is that of 
 alchemy which later became chemistry, or that of astrology which later became 
 astronomy.
 
 By extension, protoscience may be used in reference to any set of beliefs 
 or theories that have not yet been tested adequately by the scientific method 
 but which are otherwise consistent with existing science, [thus being] a new 
 science working to establish itself as legitimate science

For the TMOs sake I hope vedic science survives scientific 
scutiny better than astrology or alchemy did.


 
 http://en.wikipedia.org:80/wiki/Scientific_method
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org:80/wiki/Science
 
 http://en.wiktionary.org:80/wiki/prescientific
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org:80/wiki/Alchemy
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org:80/wiki/Chemistry
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org:80/wiki/Astrology

I note that none of the original astrologers beliefs
about the stars and planets survived the application
of good scientific method. So while you can say that 
one 'evolved' from the other it's more like one set of
beliefs was absolutely trounced out of existence by 
the other. 

Astrologers thought the sun went round the earth for 
a start, and if you check your horoscope you'll notice
that they *still* do. They didn't know what stars were. 
In fact, the first person to suggest that they were suns 
but further away and so appear smaller was burned at the
stake for his trouble. Astronomy had a difficult birth.

I'm not denigrating these ancient beliefs it's just that
we've come a long long way since those days and though they
did a marvellous job of mapping and naming the heavens, it's
time to let it go and see it for what it is, a past that 
didn't survive the present.

[FairfieldLife] Boiled Frogs (was Re: Fry at MUM)

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote:

Here's the video from that segment:

http://alex.natel.net/ffl/video/stephen_fry_in_fairfield.wmv
   
   Here's version I created in iMovie:
   
   http://alex.natel.net/ffl/video/stephen_fry_in_fairfield.m4v
  
  Frey,
  
  Yeah, he evidently drove round the town square and did 
  took that standard dignitary tour on campus which is 
  impressive and minded in its own right, but obviously 
  did not get out and talk with real meditators of the FF 
  community. There is some way more substance to the story; 
  Fry's was just journalistic gimmickry passing through 
  that did not catch or do justice at all to what might 
  have been here.
 
 If you read the whole chapter he spent a couple of days 
 around town and talking to students. Plus a day with Fred 
 Travis should have done quite a lot of justice what they 
 are up too. If it didn't you have to ask what the press 
 office is playing at, if the BBC were sending one of their 
 most popular writers/presenters to me for a day I'd make 
 sure everything was laid on and perfect so they could find 
 out whatever they want and really get the feel of the place.

And he did.

 Plus he'd obviously read up on TM and yogic flying to have 
 some questions ready. I think he did rather well actually 
 given that he was covering the whole country in a ten - part 
 series. In fact everything he said echoes what I think about 
 the ideas behind TM perfectly. I was quite touched that 
 someone with only a few minutes experience of TM culture 
 opted to use the same punctuation for vedic science that 
 I do. But then our Stephen is a clever sort of chap, don't 
 let the amiable, bumbling persona fool you.

Exactly. He's the journalistic equivalent of 
the TV detective Columbo. Stephen sees *every-
thing* in the places he visits; if you had
followed any of his work -- either comedy or
journalistic reporting -- you'd know that.

What IMO has those with strong loyalties to TM
either upset or very, very quiet about this
report is that Stephen Fry just *nailed* it. 

I passed along a metaphor some days ago that
no one commented on, but I'll do so again 
because I think it explains a great deal about
all of us here, both those with lingering TM
loyalties and those without. The question is
HOW did we ever come to accept as not only 
normal but more than normal in a positive 
way things that most people on the planet, if
they encountered them, would consider crazy
or at the very least eccentric, and not very
admirable?

The answer -- for me -- is frog in a pot
syndrome. Throw a frog in a pot of boiling 
water and it instantly gets that it is in
danger, hops out, and lives to hop another 
day. But put a frog in a pot of cold water 
and then slowly raise the heat to the boiling
point, and the frog will stay there until 
the water boils, and die. It's the *gradual* 
increase of danger that the frog does not 
perceive as dangerous. 

Similarly, for most of us who paid our dues
in the TM movement, it was the gradual onset
of craziness that allowed us to fool ourselves
into thinking that such behavior and such con-
cepts weren't crazy. 

Have you ever had a crazy old uncle or grand-
parent who was arguably senile and given to
uncontrolled outbursts or crazy behavior? Well,
you *make excuses* for them, don't you? Uncle
Crazy takes his pants off at Thanksgiving din-
ner with the family and the family all laughs
and says, Oh, that's just Uncle Crazy. But 
invite a *guest* to Thanksgiving dinner and have 
Uncle Crazy start waving his wanger at them, 
and you have a very different set of reactions.

Face it...the only reason that long-time TMers
can *make excuses* for the behavior of the 
craziest members of the TMO, or even for the
sanest (who would still be considered crazy by
most people on the planet for their everyday
beliefs and actions), is that they have been
making those excuses for a long time.

Those who feel that Stephen Fry somehow missed
something on his visit to Fairfield are IMO
boiled frogs. They've been *making excuses*
for some of the off-the-wall beliefs and actions
of TMers for so long that they don't realize 
that pretty much anyone who *hasn't* been making 
those excuses for years is going to look around 
and see that the TMers are looking a little pink 
from sitting in hot water for years. And because 
these other people have nothing to protect or 
defend, they're going to say so.

To most people on the planet, 20 minutes twice
a day sitting with your eyes closed is weird.
Up that to several hours a day, and you're talk-
ing majorly weird. And *why* are these people
doing this? Again, to most people on the planet,
the notion that it is *possible* to have one's
thoughts stop is unimaginable. The idea that
this thought stoppage might have a *benefit*
is equally unimaginable.

And we haven't even gotten to 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Quantum gods don't deserve your faith (?)

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote:
 
   paste Several things are (in) play here: 

   First we have Maharishi vedic science Which is an ancient set of beliefs 
   that is undergoing validation predominantly by the TM organization over 
   the last 35 to 40 years.
 
 What aspects are being validated? That meditation can be good
 for you is abvious but what about the underlying philosophy.
 Are they implying that John Hagelin has proved anything?
 

He showed that it was possible to do a literary interpretation of western
QM and vedic cosmology and cross-polinate one field from the other.

Whether or not this has significance deeper than some elaborate Law of Fives
demo hasn't been proven.

 I'm actually interested in this because objective validation
 is the only thing that will convince anyone other than those 
 with a pre-disposition to TM.
 

Vaj despises the TM interpretation of samadhi and the like, but its reasonably
self-consistent and not hard to see how it might fit in with modern 
physiological
theories.


Lawson

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Quantum gods don't deserve your faith (?)

[Vaj]

On May 1, 2009, at 7:31 AM, sparaig wrote:


What aspects are being validated? That meditation can be good
for you is abvious but what about the underlying philosophy.
Are they implying that John Hagelin has proved anything?



He showed that it was possible to do a literary interpretation of  
western

QM and vedic cosmology and cross-polinate one field from the other.


He attempted to show this. His attempt failed.



Whether or not this has significance deeper than some elaborate Law  
of Fives

demo hasn't been proven.


I'm actually interested in this because objective validation
is the only thing that will convince anyone other than those
with a pre-disposition to TM.



Vaj despises the TM interpretation of samadhi and the like, but its  
reasonably
self-consistent and not hard to see how it might fit in with modern  
physiological

theories.


I don't despise the TM interpretation of samadhi, I know from  
experience other than mucho murcha, swooning, we don't see any fourth  
state of consciousness in TM. At least not yet. But we do see the  
light trance states typical of self-hypnosis and the relaxation  
response. The alpha buzz. It's funny how people believe what people  
say, just because the TM org said it, backed at one time by a phony  
yogi. The facts are relatively simple: if TM can demonstrate samadhi  
they can 1) go into it at will and 2) go into it for whatever  
duration they desire (hours, days) and 30 demonstrate a marked  
decrease in metabolic rate. This very clearly hasn't happened  
(although they have tried to fool people on metabolic rate until  
Harvard researchers figured out they were in error). And if you  
understand the mechanics of samadhi and higher states of  
consciousness and know how TM is practiced, you'll realize the chance  
of it ever happening are just happenchance, i.e. very small.

[FairfieldLife] QM and Brahma(n)?

[cardemaister]

Quantum mechanical quotes
By jao

From the revamped This Quantum World site, an all but sobering quotes 
collection:

* Quantum mechanics is magic. Daniel Greenberger.
* Everything we call real is made of things that cannot be regarded as 
real. Niels Bohr.
* Those who are not shocked when they first come across quantum theory 
cannot possibly have understood it. Niels Bohr.
* If you are not completely confused by quantum mechanics, you do not 
understand it. John Wheeler.
* It is safe to say that nobody understands quantum mechanics. Richard 
Feynman.
* If [quantum theory] is correct, it signifies the end of physics as a 
science. Albert Einstein.
* I do not like [quantum mechanics], and I am sorry I ever had anything to 
do with it. Erwin Schrödinger.
* Quantum mechanics makes absolutely no sense. Roger Penrose. 

Kena on Brahma(n):

yasyaamataM tasya mataM mataM yasya na veda saH .
aviGYaataM vijaanataaM viGYaatamavijaanataam.h .. 3..

Attempt at Poor Man's IC-analysis:

yasya *amataM*, tasya *mataM*; *mataM* yasya, *na veda* saH .
aviGYaataM vijaanataaM, viGYaatam avijaanataam. .. 3..

He   who   understands   It   does   not   conceive   It.   And   he   does   
not understand   It,   who conceives   It.  To the wise it is unknown and to 
the ignorant  it is known.
  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Quantum gods don't deserve your faith (?)

[Vaj]

On May 1, 2009, at 4:46 AM, Hugo wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5  
dhamiltony...@... wrote:



paste Several things are (in) play here:

First we have Maharishi vedic science Which is an ancient set of  
beliefs that is undergoing validation predominantly by the TM  
organization over the last 35 to 40 years.


What aspects are being validated? That meditation can be good
for you is abvious but what about the underlying philosophy.
Are they implying that John Hagelin has proved anything?

I'm actually interested in this because objective validation
is the only thing that will convince anyone other than those
with a pre-disposition to TM.


Even though this is an ancient science the fact that it is  
undergoing contemporary validation by western science and  
technology places it in the category of a proto science, see the  
following definition.

end of paste.


more paste
Protoscience refers to historical philosophical disciplines which  
existed prior to the development of scientific method, which  
allowed them to develop into science proper (see prescientific). A  
standard example is that of alchemy which later became chemistry,  
or that of astrology which later became astronomy.


By extension, protoscience may be used in reference to any set  
of beliefs or theories that have not yet been tested adequately by  
the scientific method but which are otherwise consistent with  
existing science, [thus being] a new science working to establish  
itself as legitimate science


For the TMOs sake I hope vedic science survives scientific
scutiny better than astrology or alchemy did.



One of the things that sadly got waylaid, was the commentary on TMO's  
Vedic science by Prof. Meera Nanda. I had contacted her in India  
and she was quite enthusiastic about participating in a web seminar  
put together by John Knapp. But then the TMO and Goldstein, esq. sent  
a threatening letter which caused the seminar to be cancelled.


One thing's for sure, she considers the TM Org at the heart of the  
right-wing Vedic creation science scam in her country. There are of  
course other Indian right-wingers proposing the same or similar the  
vedas are proto-science schtick. We see the same thing here in the  
US with our own Christian creation science, they desperately want  
to try to look legitimate despite the obvious absurdity of it.


I take it you've seen the other BBC special on meditation where Prof.  
Sykes goes to FF and encounters Vedic science. She seemed to find  
it pretty funny too. And she's a physicist.

[FairfieldLife] Boiled Frogs (was Re: Fry at MUM)

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote:
snip
 I passed along a metaphor some days ago that
 no one commented on, but I'll do so again 
 because I think it explains a great deal about
 all of us here, both those with lingering TM
 loyalties and those without. The question is
 HOW did we ever come to accept as not only 
 normal but more than normal in a positive 
 way things that most people on the planet, if
 they encountered them, would consider crazy
 or at the very least eccentric, and not very
 admirable?
 
 The answer -- for me -- is frog in a pot
 syndrome. Throw a frog in a pot of boiling 
 water and it instantly gets that it is in
 danger, hops out, and lives to hop another 
 day. But put a frog in a pot of cold water 
 and then slowly raise the heat to the boiling
 point, and the frog will stay there until 
 the water boils, and die. It's the *gradual* 
 increase of danger that the frog does not 
 perceive as dangerous. 

OK, I'll comment on it (in a desperate attempt
to, you know, derail the conversation).

The 'frog in a pot' syndrome is, er, pseudo-
science:

http://www.snopes.com/critters/wild/frogboil.asp

More succinctly: According to Dr. George R. Zug,
the curator of reptiles and amphibians at the
National Museum of Natural History, Well, that's,
may I say, bullshit.

If you throw a frog in a pot of boiling water,
it will of course attempt to escape, but it's
very likely to die of burns even if it does
manage to get out.

If you throw a frog in a pot of cold water and
gradually raise the temperature, the frog will
leap out as soon as the water begins to become
uncomfortable, well before it gets hot enough to
harm the frog.

So, are people dumber than frogs? Or is the
harmfulness of the water temperature a matter
of perception? Is one person's boiling pot
another person's comfortably warm bath?

For some of us, of course, the water became
uncomfortable very early on, and we jumped
out, although we still find moderately hot
water useful for, say, making tea and washing
dishes. As long as we don't have to be
*immersed* in it, we don't see its very
existence as a frightening threat, and we 
don't feel a compulsion to pursue a crusade
against it for decades.

Barry will no doubt be relieved to know that
the Evil Hillary used the frog myth several
times during her campaign, so it's not that
he's the only person on earth who still isn't
aware that it's what James Fallows calls a
stupid, cruel, hackneyed, and unscientific
cliche.

See Fallows's Boiled Frog Archive here:

http://jamesfallows.theatlantic.com/archives/boiledfrog/

http://tinyurl.com/36p2sv

(And no, I didn't Google the boiled-frog
canard in order to write this post. I'm a
regular reader of Fallows's excellent blog,
so I took advantage of his documentation.)

[FairfieldLife] Churchgoers more likely to back torture, survey finds

[do.rflex]

WASHINGTON (CNN) — The more often Americans go to church, the more
likely they are to support the torture of suspected terrorists,
according to a new analysis.

More than half of people who attend services at least once a week — 54
percent — said the use of torture against suspected terrorists is
often or sometimes justified. Only 42 percent of people who
seldom or never go to services agreed, according the analysis
released Wednesday by the Pew Forum on Religion  Public Life.

White evangelical Protestants were the religious group most likely to
say torture is often or sometimes justified — more than 6 in 10
supported it. People unaffiliated with any religious organization were
least likely to back it. Only 4 in 10 of them did.

The analysis is based on a Pew Research Center survey of 742 American
adults conducted April 14-21. It did not include analysis of groups
other than white evangelicals, white non-Hispanic Catholics, white
mainline Protestants, and the religiously unaffiliated, because the
sample size was too small.

~~CNN: http://snipurl.com/h5s8s

[FairfieldLife] Re: QM and Brahma(n)?

[BillyG.]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_re...@... wrote:

 
 Quantum mechanical quotes
 By jao
 
 From the revamped This Quantum World site, an all but sobering quotes 
 collection:
 
 * Quantum mechanics is magic. Daniel Greenberger.
 * Everything we call real is made of things that cannot be regarded as 
 real. Niels Bohr.
 * Those who are not shocked when they first come across quantum theory 
 cannot possibly have understood it. Niels Bohr.
 * If you are not completely confused by quantum mechanics, you do not 
 understand it. John Wheeler.
 * It is safe to say that nobody understands quantum mechanics. Richard 
 Feynman.
 * If [quantum theory] is correct, it signifies the end of physics as a 
 science. Albert Einstein.
 * I do not like [quantum mechanics], and I am sorry I ever had anything 
 to do with it. Erwin Schrödinger.
 * Quantum mechanics makes absolutely no sense. Roger Penrose. 
 
 Kena on Brahma(n):
 
 yasyaamataM tasya mataM mataM yasya na veda saH .
 aviGYaataM vijaanataaM viGYaatamavijaanataam.h .. 3..
 
 Attempt at Poor Man's IC-analysis:
 
 yasya *amataM*, tasya *mataM*; *mataM* yasya, *na veda* saH .
 aviGYaataM vijaanataaM, viGYaatam avijaanataam. .. 3..
 
 He   who   understands   It   does   not   conceive   It.   And   he   does   
 not understand   It,   who conceives   It.  To the wise it is unknown and to 
 the ignorant  it is known.

In the Upanishads the term brahm (silent a) mostly refers to the personal form 
of God and occasionally to the impersonal (nirakar) aspect of God, just like 
the verse 7 in the Mandukyopnishad. The reason is that the nirakar aspect of 
God or nirakar brahm is formless and actionless and so it cannot even Grace the 
souls or become the creator of the universe or do any other thing of any kind. 
It is only the `purush,' the personal form of God, Who does all those things.  
(Weblink)

RE: [FairfieldLife] An Index to FairfieldLife

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of dhamiltony2k5
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 9:19 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] An Index to FairfieldLife
 

Doug, if you were to build all this into the links section:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/links or
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/links/_FairfieldLife_Index_00111
7813309/, we could include a link to it in the FairfieldLife Guidelines.txt
file that gets sent out monthly. 

[FairfieldLife] Boiled Frogs (was Re: Fry at MUM)

[Hugo]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
 snip
  I passed along a metaphor some days ago that
  no one commented on, but I'll do so again 
  because I think it explains a great deal about
  all of us here, both those with lingering TM
  loyalties and those without. The question is
  HOW did we ever come to accept as not only 
  normal but more than normal in a positive 
  way things that most people on the planet, if
  they encountered them, would consider crazy
  or at the very least eccentric, and not very
  admirable?
  
  The answer -- for me -- is frog in a pot
  syndrome. Throw a frog in a pot of boiling 
  water and it instantly gets that it is in
  danger, hops out, and lives to hop another 
  day. But put a frog in a pot of cold water 
  and then slowly raise the heat to the boiling
  point, and the frog will stay there until 
  the water boils, and die. It's the *gradual* 
  increase of danger that the frog does not 
  perceive as dangerous. 
 
 OK, I'll comment on it (in a desperate attempt
 to, you know, derail the conversation).
 
 The 'frog in a pot' syndrome is, er, pseudo-
 science:
 
 http://www.snopes.com/critters/wild/frogboil.asp
 
 More succinctly: According to Dr. George R. Zug,
 the curator of reptiles and amphibians at the
 National Museum of Natural History, Well, that's,
 may I say, bullshit.
 
 If you throw a frog in a pot of boiling water,
 it will of course attempt to escape, but it's
 very likely to die of burns even if it does
 manage to get out.
 
 If you throw a frog in a pot of cold water and
 gradually raise the temperature, the frog will
 leap out as soon as the water begins to become
 uncomfortable, well before it gets hot enough to
 harm the frog.
 
 So, are people dumber than frogs? Or is the
 harmfulness of the water temperature a matter
 of perception? Is one person's boiling pot
 another person's comfortably warm bath?
 
 For some of us, of course, the water became
 uncomfortable very early on, and we jumped
 out, although we still find moderately hot
 water useful for, say, making tea and washing
 dishes. As long as we don't have to be
 *immersed* in it, we don't see its very
 existence as a frightening threat, and we 
 don't feel a compulsion to pursue a crusade
 against it for decades.
 
 Barry will no doubt be relieved to know that
 the Evil Hillary used the frog myth several
 times during her campaign, so it's not that
 he's the only person on earth who still isn't
 aware that it's what James Fallows calls a
 stupid, cruel, hackneyed, and unscientific
 cliche.
 
 See Fallows's Boiled Frog Archive here:
 
 http://jamesfallows.theatlantic.com/archives/boiledfrog/
 
 http://tinyurl.com/36p2sv
 
 (And no, I didn't Google the boiled-frog
 canard in order to write this post. I'm a
 regular reader of Fallows's excellent blog,
 so I took advantage of his documentation.)


Boy, talk about missing the point!

I thought it was a great analogy about what it's
like to join the TMO without knowing what it's really
like and then having the drip-drip of weirdness grow
ever more difficult to bear before hopping out.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Quantum gods don't deserve your faith (?)

[Hugo]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig lengli...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ 
  wrote:
  
paste Several things are (in) play here: 
 
First we have Maharishi vedic science Which is an ancient set of 
beliefs that is undergoing validation predominantly by the TM 
organization over the last 35 to 40 years.
  
  What aspects are being validated? That meditation can be good
  for you is abvious but what about the underlying philosophy.
  Are they implying that John Hagelin has proved anything?
  
 
 He showed that it was possible to do a literary interpretation of western QM 
 and vedic cosmology and cross-polinate one field from the other.

I'm not convinced he managed it at all. This has got to be the most important 
question that will be asked about vedic science: Whether
or not it's possible to have objectively verifiable knowledge of fundamental 
levels of reality from a subjective source ie: meditation.

You can make any amount of speeches about how the vedas are the
greatest knowledge man ever had but until it's tested to death
it's all effectively hot air.

 
 Whether or not this has significance deeper than some elaborate Law of Fives
 demo hasn't been proven.
 
  I'm actually interested in this because objective validation
  is the only thing that will convince anyone other than those 
  with a pre-disposition to TM.
  
 
 Vaj despises the TM interpretation of samadhi and the like, but its reasonably
 self-consistent and not hard to see how it might fit in with modern 
 physiological
 theories.

I can see that what Vaj says has a lot of consistency but even if TM is 
basically flawed and all it's problems are being swept aside, I still think 
that the meditation will have deomonstrable benefits, at least for a while with 
most people. It doesn't have to be as perfectly sussed as the more elaborate 
meditation techniques that 
Vaj espouses for it to lower your stress levels enough for a test to be carried 
out.

But what interests me, apart from the big question above, is the other stuff 
that's taught and sold. Yagyas, Jyotish, Vedic Crystal Therapy and MVVT. If 
it's science let's see some data.
 

 Lawson

[FairfieldLife] Boiled Frogs (was Re: Fry at MUM)

[Hugo]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
 snip
  I passed along a metaphor some days ago that
  no one commented on, but I'll do so again 
  because I think it explains a great deal about
  all of us here, both those with lingering TM
  loyalties and those without. The question is
  HOW did we ever come to accept as not only 
  normal but more than normal in a positive 
  way things that most people on the planet, if
  they encountered them, would consider crazy
  or at the very least eccentric, and not very
  admirable?
  
  The answer -- for me -- is frog in a pot
  syndrome. Throw a frog in a pot of boiling 
  water and it instantly gets that it is in
  danger, hops out, and lives to hop another 
  day. But put a frog in a pot of cold water 
  and then slowly raise the heat to the boiling
  point, and the frog will stay there until 
  the water boils, and die. It's the *gradual* 
  increase of danger that the frog does not 
  perceive as dangerous. 
 
 OK, I'll comment on it (in a desperate attempt
 to, you know, derail the conversation).
 
 The 'frog in a pot' syndrome is, er, pseudo-
 science:
 
 http://www.snopes.com/critters/wild/frogboil.asp
 
 More succinctly: According to Dr. George R. Zug,
 the curator of reptiles and amphibians at the
 National Museum of Natural History, Well, that's,
 may I say, bullshit.
 
 If you throw a frog in a pot of boiling water,
 it will of course attempt to escape, but it's
 very likely to die of burns even if it does
 manage to get out.
 
 If you throw a frog in a pot of cold water and
 gradually raise the temperature, the frog will
 leap out as soon as the water begins to become
 uncomfortable, well before it gets hot enough to
 harm the frog.
 
 So, are people dumber than frogs? Or is the
 harmfulness of the water temperature a matter
 of perception? Is one person's boiling pot
 another person's comfortably warm bath?
 
 For some of us, of course, the water became
 uncomfortable very early on, and we jumped
 out, although we still find moderately hot
 water useful for, say, making tea and washing
 dishes. As long as we don't have to be
 *immersed* in it, we don't see its very
 existence as a frightening threat, and we 
 don't feel a compulsion to pursue a crusade
 against it for decades.
 
 Barry will no doubt be relieved to know that
 the Evil Hillary used the frog myth several
 times during her campaign, so it's not that
 he's the only person on earth who still isn't
 aware that it's what James Fallows calls a
 stupid, cruel, hackneyed, and unscientific
 cliche.
 
 See Fallows's Boiled Frog Archive here:
 
 http://jamesfallows.theatlantic.com/archives/boiledfrog/
 
 http://tinyurl.com/36p2sv
 
 (And no, I didn't Google the boiled-frog
 canard in order to write this post. I'm a
 regular reader of Fallows's excellent blog,
 so I took advantage of his documentation.)



I did Google it JOOI and it seems that the frog boilers 
were right...

The story's origins are rooted in nineteenth-century physiological literature. 
An article co-written by G. Stanley Hall from 1887 indicates that many 
experiments were performed on frogs in the 1870s and 1880s for the purposes of 
determining how reactive their nervous systems were to various types of 
stimuli, with temperature change being one of these.[7] One source from 1897 
lists an experiment done in 1882 at Johns Hopkins University as evidence that 
a live frog can actually be boiled without a movement if the water is heated 
slowly enough; in one experiment the temperature was raised at a rate of 
0.002°C. per second, and the frog was found dead at the end of 2½ hours without 
having moved.[8]

The ones that actually put it to the test anyway.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_frog#cite_note-10

Anyone got a frog they can boil just so we can confirm the test?

[FairfieldLife] Boiled Frogs (was Re: Fry at MUM)

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
  snip
   I passed along a metaphor some days ago that
   no one commented on, but I'll do so again 
   because I think it explains a great deal about
   all of us here, both those with lingering TM
   loyalties and those without. The question is
   HOW did we ever come to accept as not only 
   normal but more than normal in a positive 
   way things that most people on the planet, if
   they encountered them, would consider crazy
   or at the very least eccentric, and not very
   admirable?
   
   The answer -- for me -- is frog in a pot
   syndrome. Throw a frog in a pot of boiling 
   water and it instantly gets that it is in
   danger, hops out, and lives to hop another 
   day. But put a frog in a pot of cold water 
   and then slowly raise the heat to the boiling
   point, and the frog will stay there until 
   the water boils, and die. It's the *gradual* 
   increase of danger that the frog does not 
   perceive as dangerous. 
  
  OK, I'll comment on it (in a desperate attempt
  to, you know, derail the conversation).
  
  The 'frog in a pot' syndrome is, er, pseudo-
  science:
  
  http://www.snopes.com/critters/wild/frogboil.asp
  
  More succinctly: According to Dr. George R. Zug,
  the curator of reptiles and amphibians at the
  National Museum of Natural History, Well, that's,
  may I say, bullshit.
  
  If you throw a frog in a pot of boiling water,
  it will of course attempt to escape, but it's
  very likely to die of burns even if it does
  manage to get out.
  
  If you throw a frog in a pot of cold water and
  gradually raise the temperature, the frog will
  leap out as soon as the water begins to become
  uncomfortable, well before it gets hot enough to
  harm the frog.
  
  So, are people dumber than frogs? Or is the
  harmfulness of the water temperature a matter
  of perception? Is one person's boiling pot
  another person's comfortably warm bath?
  
  For some of us, of course, the water became
  uncomfortable very early on, and we jumped
  out, although we still find moderately hot
  water useful for, say, making tea and washing
  dishes. As long as we don't have to be
  *immersed* in it, we don't see its very
  existence as a frightening threat, and we 
  don't feel a compulsion to pursue a crusade
  against it for decades.
  
  Barry will no doubt be relieved to know that
  the Evil Hillary used the frog myth several
  times during her campaign, so it's not that
  he's the only person on earth who still isn't
  aware that it's what James Fallows calls a
  stupid, cruel, hackneyed, and unscientific
  cliche.
  
  See Fallows's Boiled Frog Archive here:
  
  http://jamesfallows.theatlantic.com/archives/boiledfrog/
  
  http://tinyurl.com/36p2sv
  
  (And no, I didn't Google the boiled-frog
  canard in order to write this post. I'm a
  regular reader of Fallows's excellent blog,
  so I took advantage of his documentation.)
 
 
 Boy, talk about missing the point!

Um, did you read the whole post?

 I thought it was a great analogy about what it's
 like to join the TMO without knowing what it's really
 like and then having the drip-drip of weirdness grow
 ever more difficult to bear before hopping out.

Don't you get it? I'm trying to *distract attention*
from Barry's point in order to keep anybody from
discussing the weirdness of the TMO. I mean, I'm one
of those crazy, brainwashed TBs who believes (as I'm
being boiled to death) that every single thing the
TMO does is a function of its perfect coordination
with the Laws of Nature and is therefore not to be
criticized.

Sheesh. *My* point is that, like frogs, people stay
with the TMO as long as it's tolerable; but that, 
unlike frogs, people have a wide range of tolerances.
My tolerance was very low, and I beat feet very quickly.
(And this was long before it really got weird.)

Barry's tolerance was high enough for him to stay with
it for many years, but apparently it did him so much
damage that for many years since he's been compelled
to constantly attack TMers who never had much
investment in the TMO and don't react so violently to
its weirdness.

He reminds me of nothing so much as the Ancient Mariner.

[FairfieldLife] Boiled Frogs (was Re: Fry at MUM)

[Hugo]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote:
 


 
 Stephen Fry was *compassionate* in his TV segment
 and in the segment about Fairfield in his book.
 If you had seen some of his comedy, in which he
 has thoroughly and mercilessly skewered those who
 deserve to be so skewered, you would know that
 he didn't *dislike* the Fairfielders he met in
 any way. He was being kind in going so easy 
 on them.


He was indeed fair and compassionate. I got the America
book out of the library just so I could see if he'd added
anything to the TV segment but I'm hooked on it now, every
chapter is a treat. He's got a rare skill in getting to the
heart of where he is and you can tell he looks for the best
in everyone he meets.

I've always been a fan of his comedy but never read one of
his (many) books before. I shall be down the library in the
Fry section very soon. I do like discovering new pleasures.

[FairfieldLife] Boiled Frogs (was Re: Fry at MUM)

[Hugo]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
   snip
I passed along a metaphor some days ago that
no one commented on, but I'll do so again 
because I think it explains a great deal about
all of us here, both those with lingering TM
loyalties and those without. The question is
HOW did we ever come to accept as not only 
normal but more than normal in a positive 
way things that most people on the planet, if
they encountered them, would consider crazy
or at the very least eccentric, and not very
admirable?

The answer -- for me -- is frog in a pot
syndrome. Throw a frog in a pot of boiling 
water and it instantly gets that it is in
danger, hops out, and lives to hop another 
day. But put a frog in a pot of cold water 
and then slowly raise the heat to the boiling
point, and the frog will stay there until 
the water boils, and die. It's the *gradual* 
increase of danger that the frog does not 
perceive as dangerous. 
   
   OK, I'll comment on it (in a desperate attempt
   to, you know, derail the conversation).
   
   The 'frog in a pot' syndrome is, er, pseudo-
   science:
   
   http://www.snopes.com/critters/wild/frogboil.asp
   
   More succinctly: According to Dr. George R. Zug,
   the curator of reptiles and amphibians at the
   National Museum of Natural History, Well, that's,
   may I say, bullshit.
   
   If you throw a frog in a pot of boiling water,
   it will of course attempt to escape, but it's
   very likely to die of burns even if it does
   manage to get out.
   
   If you throw a frog in a pot of cold water and
   gradually raise the temperature, the frog will
   leap out as soon as the water begins to become
   uncomfortable, well before it gets hot enough to
   harm the frog.
   
   So, are people dumber than frogs? Or is the
   harmfulness of the water temperature a matter
   of perception? Is one person's boiling pot
   another person's comfortably warm bath?
   
   For some of us, of course, the water became
   uncomfortable very early on, and we jumped
   out, although we still find moderately hot
   water useful for, say, making tea and washing
   dishes. As long as we don't have to be
   *immersed* in it, we don't see its very
   existence as a frightening threat, and we 
   don't feel a compulsion to pursue a crusade
   against it for decades.
   
   Barry will no doubt be relieved to know that
   the Evil Hillary used the frog myth several
   times during her campaign, so it's not that
   he's the only person on earth who still isn't
   aware that it's what James Fallows calls a
   stupid, cruel, hackneyed, and unscientific
   cliche.
   
   See Fallows's Boiled Frog Archive here:
   
   http://jamesfallows.theatlantic.com/archives/boiledfrog/
   
   http://tinyurl.com/36p2sv
   
   (And no, I didn't Google the boiled-frog
   canard in order to write this post. I'm a
   regular reader of Fallows's excellent blog,
   so I took advantage of his documentation.)
  
  
  Boy, talk about missing the point!
 
 Um, did you read the whole post?

Erm, most of it ;-)

  I thought it was a great analogy about what it's
  like to join the TMO without knowing what it's really
  like and then having the drip-drip of weirdness grow
  ever more difficult to bear before hopping out.
 
 Don't you get it? I'm trying to *distract attention*
 from Barry's point in order to keep anybody from
 discussing the weirdness of the TMO. I mean, I'm one
 of those crazy, brainwashed TBs who believes (as I'm
 being boiled to death) that every single thing the
 TMO does is a function of its perfect coordination
 with the Laws of Nature and is therefore not to be
 criticized.
 
 Sheesh. *My* point is that, like frogs, people stay
 with the TMO as long as it's tolerable; but that, 
 unlike frogs, people have a wide range of tolerances.
 My tolerance was very low, and I beat feet very quickly.
 (And this was long before it really got weird.)
 
 Barry's tolerance was high enough for him to stay with
 it for many years, but apparently it did him so much
 damage that for many years since he's been compelled
 to constantly attack TMers who never had much
 investment in the TMO and don't react so violently to
 its weirdness.
 
 He reminds me of nothing so much as the Ancient Mariner.

[FairfieldLife] Boiled Frogs (was Re: Fry at MUM)

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
  snip
   I passed along a metaphor some days ago that
   no one commented on, but I'll do so again 
   because I think it explains a great deal about
   all of us here, both those with lingering TM
   loyalties and those without. The question is
   HOW did we ever come to accept as not only 
   normal but more than normal in a positive 
   way things that most people on the planet, if
   they encountered them, would consider crazy
   or at the very least eccentric, and not very
   admirable?
   
   The answer -- for me -- is frog in a pot
   syndrome. Throw a frog in a pot of boiling 
   water and it instantly gets that it is in
   danger, hops out, and lives to hop another 
   day. But put a frog in a pot of cold water 
   and then slowly raise the heat to the boiling
   point, and the frog will stay there until 
   the water boils, and die. It's the *gradual* 
   increase of danger that the frog does not 
   perceive as dangerous. 
  
  OK, I'll comment on it (in a desperate attempt
  to, you know, derail the conversation).
  
  The 'frog in a pot' syndrome is, er, pseudo-
  science:
  
  http://www.snopes.com/critters/wild/frogboil.asp
  
  More succinctly: According to Dr. George R. Zug,
  the curator of reptiles and amphibians at the
  National Museum of Natural History, Well, that's,
  may I say, bullshit.
  
  If you throw a frog in a pot of boiling water,
  it will of course attempt to escape, but it's
  very likely to die of burns even if it does
  manage to get out.
  
  If you throw a frog in a pot of cold water and
  gradually raise the temperature, the frog will
  leap out as soon as the water begins to become
  uncomfortable, well before it gets hot enough to
  harm the frog.
  
  So, are people dumber than frogs? Or is the
  harmfulness of the water temperature a matter
  of perception? Is one person's boiling pot
  another person's comfortably warm bath?
  
  For some of us, of course, the water became
  uncomfortable very early on, and we jumped
  out, although we still find moderately hot
  water useful for, say, making tea and washing
  dishes. As long as we don't have to be
  *immersed* in it, we don't see its very
  existence as a frightening threat, and we 
  don't feel a compulsion to pursue a crusade
  against it for decades.
  
  Barry will no doubt be relieved to know that
  the Evil Hillary used the frog myth several
  times during her campaign, so it's not that
  he's the only person on earth who still isn't
  aware that it's what James Fallows calls a
  stupid, cruel, hackneyed, and unscientific
  cliche.
  
  See Fallows's Boiled Frog Archive here:
  
  http://jamesfallows.theatlantic.com/archives/boiledfrog/
  
  http://tinyurl.com/36p2sv
  
  (And no, I didn't Google the boiled-frog
  canard in order to write this post. I'm a
  regular reader of Fallows's excellent blog,
  so I took advantage of his documentation.)
 
 Boy, talk about missing the point!

Call me cynical, but I don't think she 
missed the point at all. I thought that,
for once, she was being extraordinarily
honest in her first sentence: OK, I'll 
comment on it (in a desperate attempt to, 
you know, derail the conversation).

 I thought it was a great analogy about what it's
 like to join the TMO without knowing what it's really
 like and then having the drip-drip of weirdness grow
 ever more difficult to bear before hopping out.

And, even if it's a myth, myths are *useful*
in attempting to understand the process of
systematic denial that we have all, to some
extent or another, gone through with regard
to the TM organization.

You'll also have to excuse me if I find the
claim by the person who has devoted pretty
much every day of her life for 15 years to
defending TM, the TM organization and Maha-
rishi and demonizing its critics saying, 
For some of us, of course, the water became 
uncomfortable very early on, and we jumped 
out... ludicrous.

Judy never jumped out. She merely distanced
herself from the hot water, both physically
and emotionally. She continues, ...although 
we still find moderately hot water useful for, 
say, making tea and washing dishes. As long 
as we don't have to be *immersed* in it.

In other words, as long as she didn't have to
be immersed in the TM movement and could
distance herself from it, she was not only 
OK with its excesses and evils, she was wil-
ling to make excuses for them on a regular 
basis. They were just moderately hot water, 
and even useful.

One gets the feeling that if Maharishi had 
spoken positively about Guantanamo she would 
have found a way to consider waterboarding a 
useful way of allowing the prisoners to 
bathe more often.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Quantum gods don't deserve your faith (?)

[Vaj]

On May 1, 2009, at 1:06 PM, Hugo wrote:

 It doesn't have to be as perfectly sussed as the more elaborate  
meditation techniques that
Vaj espouses for it to lower your stress levels enough for a test  
to be carried out.



I'm not clear where you got this idea that I'm espousing more  
elaborate meditation techniques. All the meditation techniques I've  
used are remarkably simple, many simpler than TM, although as  
different levels of consciousness are accessed, the technique need  
not stay the the same, it usually needs to evolve as the person does.  
Higher meditation forms typically become simpler--it's that  
simplicity that makes them difficult, i.e. only suitable for certain  
people. Comparatively, TM would be a more elaborate meditation  
technique.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Quantum gods don't deserve your faith (?)

[Hugo]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:

 
 On May 1, 2009, at 1:06 PM, Hugo wrote:
 
   It doesn't have to be as perfectly sussed as the more elaborate  
  meditation techniques that
  Vaj espouses for it to lower your stress levels enough for a test  
  to be carried out.
 
 
 I'm not clear where you got this idea that I'm espousing more  
 elaborate meditation techniques. All the meditation techniques I've  
 used are remarkably simple,

What I meant is the theory behind them seems much more complex or
complete than the 'sit down say your mantra and whatever happens
is unstressing' that you get from TM. Not that the techniques are
necessarily harder.

I get the impression that there is much to learn about all this
that never gets touched upon in the TMO, all the stuff about kundalini for 
instance and what we talked about yesterday 
concerning falling asleep and failing to actually transcend. 


 many simpler than TM, although as  
 different levels of consciousness are accessed, the technique need  
 not stay the the same, it usually needs to evolve as the person does.  
 Higher meditation forms typically become simpler--it's that  
 simplicity that makes them difficult, i.e. only suitable for certain  
 people. Comparatively, TM would be a more elaborate meditation  
 technique.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Quantum gods don't deserve your faith (?)

[Vaj]

On May 1, 2009, at 1:45 PM, Hugo wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:



On May 1, 2009, at 1:06 PM, Hugo wrote:


 It doesn't have to be as perfectly sussed as the more elaborate
meditation techniques that
Vaj espouses for it to lower your stress levels enough for a test
to be carried out.



I'm not clear where you got this idea that I'm espousing more
elaborate meditation techniques. All the meditation techniques I've
used are remarkably simple,


What I meant is the theory behind them seems much more complex or
complete than the 'sit down say your mantra and whatever happens
is unstressing' that you get from TM. Not that the techniques are
necessarily harder.

I get the impression that there is much to learn about all this
that never gets touched upon in the TMO, all the stuff about  
kundalini for instance and what we talked about yesterday

concerning falling asleep and failing to actually transcend.



Swooning does not refer to falling asleep, that's called nidra.  
Swooning is when there is a gap in consciousness where there is no  
subject or object or sensory information, but there is some sense of  
bliss. One of the most common external side effects is that the  
breath pauses at the same time. If you believe you are transcending  
but thought patterns remain the same after you emerge, then you're  
not ultimately transcending, you're falling into a swoon. You don't  
change over time (at least in a more positive way :-) ). 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Respect people's right to anonymity

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , geezerfreak geezerfr...@...
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Richard J. Williams
willytex@ wrote:
 
  Rick Archer wrote:
   People are entitled to use pseudonyms or
   aliases on FFL. If you happen to figure out
   the real name of someone using an alias,
   please don't publish it.
  
  Now, Rick, let's get this out in the open,
  once and for all - do NOT call me 'willytex'
  - my name is Richard J. Williams, not 'willy',
  not 'wee willy', not 'wanker', not 'dork'.
 
  But you can call me 'Dick', or you can call
  me 'Dickie', or you can call me 'Little Dick'.
 
  Really, I am not a 'Little Dick Head', I'm a
  'Big Dick Head'. So, I don't mind what anyone
  calls me - as long as they call me, and send
  me cookies.
 
  I have all of your IP addresses, all your names
  and I'm turning them over to a CIA informant
  named 'geezer', who is a real 'dick'.
 
 Actually Geezer works for me WillyTex. Has for years.  We have him
thinking he's working for the CIA but it's really the FBI. We've been
having him infiltrate the inner workings of the TM movement for many
years since we are seriously concerned about this group taking over
every aspect of American life.

So do they both defer for the Secreat Service guy, Rick Archer? ... or
how does that work?

OffWorld

[FairfieldLife] Re: Respect people's right to anonymity

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote:

 People are entitled to use pseudonyms or aliases on FFL. If you happen
to
 figure out the real name of someone using an alias, please don't
publish it.


Too late. Shemp has already published me all over the place.

OffWorld

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Quantum gods don't deserve your faith (?)

[Sal Sunshine]

On May 1, 2009, at 1:00 PM, Vaj wrote:

Swooning does not refer to falling asleep, that's called nidra.  
Swooning is when there is a gap in consciousness where there is no  
subject or object or sensory information, but there is some sense of  
bliss. One of the most common external side effects is that the  
breath pauses at the same time. If you believe you are transcending  
but thought patterns remain the same after you emerge, then you're  
not ultimately transcending, you're falling into a swoon. You  
don't change over time (at least in a more positive way :-) ).


In that case the Beatles and Elvis were some of the
greatest facilitators of transcendence on the planet.

Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: QM and Brahma(n)?

[cardemaister]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wg...@... wrote:


 In the Upanishads the term brahm (silent a) 

I don't think even short 'a' is silent in Sanskrit. It is *reduced*
as the last suutra of aSTaadhyaayii shows, sort of:

.
8\.4\.64 halo yamAM yami lopaH .
8\.4\.65 jharo jhari savarNe .
8\.4\.66 udAttAdanudAttasya svaritaH .
8\.4\.67 nodAttasvaritodayamagArgyakAshyapagAlavAnAm.h .
8\.4\.68 ** a a iti *** .

Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: Swine flu outbreak. The truth is ugly.

[Bhairitu]

nelson lafrancis wrote:
  

 http://alternative-doctor.com/blog/swine-flu-outbreak-the-truth-is-ugly
   

snip

Good article.  MAPI sent one out this morning and they are having a 
webcast this evening at 8 PM CST (I think they mean CDT):
http://www.mapi.com/tv/html

The advice in the email was fairly anti-kapha oriented.

[FairfieldLife] Don't allow Lithium to be added to your water supply

[Bhairitu]

Apparently giddy researchers believe it has resulted in a reduced 
suicide rate.  C'mon, let's deal with suicide on a case by case basic 
rather than drug the whole public.  Besides Lithium can damage the 
kidney's as one friend found out taking it and wound up with the kidney 
related diabetes insipidus.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8025454.stm

[FairfieldLife] Re: Respect people's right to anonymity

[Richard J. Williams]

Rick Archer wrote:
   People are entitled to use pseudonyms or 
   aliases on FFL. If you happen to figure out 
   the real name of someone using an alias, 
   please don't publish it.
  
  ...- my name is Richard J. Williams
  
 We thank you for your political views...
 
 Sincerely,
 
 J. Edgar Hoover Jr.

Dear Mr. J. Edgar - You totally missed the point, 
Sir. I've already been outed by two of the current
users on this forum - they know who they are. 

They didn't want to play by the rules because 
they are informants. They thought they were very 
clever when they revealed my real name on Usenet. 

But they failed to read the messages BEFORE they 
posted my real name - I had already posted as 
Richard J. Williams numerous times. LOL! 

But, you'd think that the miscreants would at 
least stand up like real men and apologize to me, 
even at this late date, would you not? All I
wanted, Sir is some spiritual help.

From: Richard J. Williams
Subject: Re: Willytex's (Richard Williams) new name!
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
Date: January 24, 2004
http://tinyurl.com/d3tttx

HELP ME! I NEED SOME SPIRITUAL HELP! FOR GOD'S
SAKE, SOMEBODY DO SOMETHING, PLEASE!

[FairfieldLife] Kid Puts Condi on the Defensive About BushCoTorture

[do.rflex]

~ Condi's very weak defense of Bush Administration Torture ~


Condi comes very close to losing it with this earnest, sincere student who 
should be outgunned by the former secretary of state. But as the room grows 
quiet, Condi sticks to her if the president authorized it, it's not torture 
line and it becomes obvious that being right is more powerful for the student 
than knowing you're wrong and defending yourself anyway is for Rice.

One thing seems clear from watching this clip. Condoleezza Rice and the rest of 
the Bush administration will never outlive what they did. Their actions and 
motivations will be forever questioned by anyone with a memory.

Watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijEED_iviTA

[via: http://snipurl.com/h6bt3 ]


Now watch this infamous crackpot statement by Richard Nixon:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejvyDn1TPr8

[FairfieldLife] USA mood map

[bob_brigante]

http://snipurl.com/h6hyu http://snipurl.com/h6hyu  
[news_nationalgeographic_com]

[FairfieldLife] Re: Kid Puts Condi on the Defensive About BushCoTorture

[Richard J. Williams]

do.rflex wrote:
 Kid Puts Condi on the Defensive About 
 BushCoTorture...
 
What Nancy knew and when she knew it...

Judging by Nancy Pelosi and other members 
of Congress who were informed at the time, 
the answer seems to be yes. In December 2007, 
after a report in The Post that she had 
knowledge of these procedures and did not 
object, she admitted that she'd been 
briefed on interrogation techniques the 
administration was considering using in 
the future...

Read more:

'Torture? No. Except...'
By Charles Krauthammer
Washington Post, Friday, May 1, 2009 
http://tinyurl.com/dkcobn

[FairfieldLife] Short. Angry. Hairy. Canadian.

[bob_brigante]

How a ridiculous Canadian mutant conquered the world.

http://www.slate.com/id/2217342/ http://www.slate.com/id/2217342/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Quantum gods don't deserve your faith (?)

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:

 
 On May 1, 2009, at 7:31 AM, sparaig wrote:
 
  What aspects are being validated? That meditation can be good
  for you is abvious but what about the underlying philosophy.
  Are they implying that John Hagelin has proved anything?
 
 
  He showed that it was possible to do a literary interpretation of  
  western
  QM and vedic cosmology and cross-polinate one field from the other.
 
 He attempted to show this. His attempt failed.

Huh. So Revised Flipped SU(5) is a total failure?

 
 
  Whether or not this has significance deeper than some elaborate Law  
  of Fives
  demo hasn't been proven.
 
  I'm actually interested in this because objective validation
  is the only thing that will convince anyone other than those
  with a pre-disposition to TM.
 
 
  Vaj despises the TM interpretation of samadhi and the like, but its  
  reasonably
  self-consistent and not hard to see how it might fit in with modern  
  physiological
  theories.
 
 I don't despise the TM interpretation of samadhi, I know from  
 experience other than mucho murcha, swooning, we don't see any fourth  
 state of consciousness in TM. At least not yet. But we do see the  
 light trance states typical of self-hypnosis and the relaxation  
 response. The alpha buzz. It's funny how people believe what people  
 say, just because the TM org said it, backed at one time by a phony  
 yogi. The facts are relatively simple: if TM can demonstrate samadhi  
 they can 1) go into it at will and 2) go into it for whatever  
 duration they desire (hours, days) and 30 demonstrate a marked  
 decrease in metabolic rate. This very clearly hasn't happened  
 (although they have tried to fool people on metabolic rate until  
 Harvard researchers figured out they were in error). And if you  
 understand the mechanics of samadhi and higher states of  
 consciousness and know how TM is practiced, you'll realize the chance  
 of it ever happening are just happenchance, i.e. very small.


WE see things differently, obviously.


L.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Quantum gods don't deserve your faith (?)

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote:
 
[...]
  He showed that it was possible to do a literary interpretation of western 
  QM and vedic cosmology and cross-polinate one field from the other.
 
 I'm not convinced he managed it at all. This has got to be the most important 
 question that will be asked about vedic science: Whether
 or not it's possible to have objectively verifiable knowledge of fundamental 
 levels of reality from a subjective source ie: meditation.


Shrugs. Its anb interesting question, but its not what I claimed--at least not 
directly.


Lawson

[FairfieldLife] India's air bike

[bob_brigante]

http://snipurl.com/h6ktc  [online_wsj_com] 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Don't allow Lithium to be added to your water supply

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote:

 Apparently giddy researchers believe it has resulted in a reduced
 suicide rate.  C'mon, let's deal with suicide on a case by case basic
 rather than drug the whole public.  Besides Lithium can damage the
 kidney's as one friend found out taking it and wound up with the
kidney
 related diabetes insipidus.

I am looking forward to the day when just water comes form the taps once
again.

OffWorld

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Quantum gods don't deserve your faith (?)

[Vaj]

On May 1, 2009, at 2:14 PM, Sal Sunshine wrote:




On May 1, 2009, at 1:00 PM, Vaj wrote:

Swooning does not refer to falling asleep, that's called nidra.  
Swooning is when there is a gap in consciousness where there is no  
subject or object or sensory information, but there is some sense  
of bliss. One of the most common external side effects is that the  
breath pauses at the same time. If you believe you are transcending  
but thought patterns remain the same after you emerge, then you're  
not ultimately transcending, you're falling into a swoon. You  
don't change over time (at least in a more positive way :-) ).


In that case the Beatles and Elvis were some of the
greatest facilitators of transcendence on the planet.




One is an emotional type of swoon, we're talkin' here of a yogic  
swoon, which is different from emotional or vasovagal types of  
fainting. Actually the word swoon in Sanskrit was a lot resonances, as  
it's a word used in the twilight language--a kind of hip, insiders  
yogic rap lingo. I won't bore you with any more factoids, I'm sure  
you've had enough for today.

[FairfieldLife] MUM tag line

[bob_brigante]

 #
Maharishi University of Management
1000 North 4th Street
Fairfield, IA 52557-0001

School Type: Private
School Tagline: Conscience Based Education
School Motto: --
School Website: http://www.mum.edu/ http://www.mum.edu/
©2008 Richard Harrison Bailey. All rights reserved.  
http://higheredtaglines.com/ http://higheredtaglines.com/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Kid Puts Condi on the Defensive About BushCoTorture

[off_world_beings]

I don't know how she can show her face in public. Its a wonder she has
not been hit with rotton tomatoes and custard pies yet.

OffWorld


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , do.rflex do.rf...@...
wrote:



 ~ Condi's very weak defense of Bush Administration Torture ~


 Condi comes very close to losing it with this earnest, sincere student
who should be outgunned by the former secretary of state. But as the
room grows quiet, Condi sticks to her if the president authorized it,
it's not torture line and it becomes obvious that being right is more
powerful for the student than knowing you're wrong and defending
yourself anyway is for Rice.

 One thing seems clear from watching this clip. Condoleezza Rice and
the rest of the Bush administration will never outlive what they did.
Their actions and motivations will be forever questioned by anyone with
a memory.

 Watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijEED_iviTA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijEED_iviTA

 [via: http://snipurl.com/h6bt3 http://snipurl.com/h6bt3  ]


 Now watch this infamous crackpot statement by Richard Nixon:
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejvyDn1TPr8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejvyDn1TPr8

[FairfieldLife] Life is Bliss

[off_world_beings]

Life is Bliss:

watch?v=LxQgXgS5G3cfeature=re lated

OffWorld

[FairfieldLife] Life is Bliss

[off_world_beings]

Life is Bliss:

http://www.youtube.com/http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxQgXgS5G3c
http://www.youtube.com/http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxQgXgS5G3c

OffWorld

[FairfieldLife] Life is Bliss

[off_world_beings]

Life is Bliss:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxQgXgS5G3c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxQgXgS5G3c

OffWorld

[FairfieldLife] May Newsletter from the David Lynch Foundation

[michael]

  enjoy  michael
---

Von: The David Lynch Foundation i...@davidlynchfoundation.org
Betreff: May Newsletter from the David Lynch Foundation
An: michael  vedamer...@yahoo.de
Datum: Freitag, 1. Mai 2009, 23:16




























 

Sheryl Crow, Donovan, Eddie Vedder, Ben Harper, Moby, Paul Horn, Angelo 
Badalamenti, Bettye LaVette, and Jim James joined the two remaining Beatles to 
thrill the crowd as well, as did Jerry Seinfeld in a brilliant guest 
performance Between acts, David Lynch showed powerful film clips of meditating 
students in Foundation schools, and celebrity personalities Howard Stern, Mike 
Love of the Beach Boys, and Laura Dern spoke passionately about the benefits of 
TM practice. The global press responded to the event with thousands of 
headlines and front-page stories and hundreds of television and radio shows.
Paul said of TM practice, “It’s a lifelong gift. It’s something you can call on 
at any time…. Allowing children to experience something they wouldn’t have been 
able to experience otherwise is a great thing.” And Ringo was delighted that he 
and Paul were able to come together to support the David Lynch Foundation 
initiative, saying, “I feel the aims of this charity are wonderful!”
In addition to their superb individual performances, the musicians at the 
concert sang together on many songs and created a powerful, joyful onstage 
camaraderie and unity, with everyone committed to bringing meditation to 
students everywhere and helping the youth reach their full potential.
Why Paul McCartney was happy to perform
In a videotaped interview with David Lynch, Paul spoke enthusiastically and 
knowledgeably about the work of the Foundation in bringing Transcendental 
Meditation to 70,000 students worldwide. “To be able to say the kids in Detroit 
love it, the kids in the West Bank love it, the kids in Brazil love it, and you 
are actually getting results…. that’s what I love about what we’re involved in 
now,” he said. “So that’s why I was so happy to do the concert. It’s very 
inspiring.”
Donovan: “It’s really simple. Change begins within”
“Schools are in trouble,” Donovan said at the New York press conference 
preceding the concert. “Teachers need help, and America’s youth are at serious 
risk. David Lynch saw the benefits of the TM program. Now that thousands of 
children are already receiving it and are raising their self-esteem, improving 
their well being, and turning around the most troubled schools, the proof is 
in. TM naturally unfolds any student’s full potential. This really works. It’s 
really simple. Change begins within.”
In the past three years, the David Lynch Foundation has provided scholarship 
funding for more than 70,000 students, teachers, and parents to learn to 
meditate in the U.S. and Canada and throughout South America, Europe, Africa, 
Asia and the Middle East. Half a million students in 60 countries are currently 
waiting to begin the Transcendental Meditation program, including students in 
over 100 schools in New York City alone. To create a less violent, more 
peaceful world, the David Lynch Foundation is continuing to raise the millions 
of dollars needed to fulfill its goal of teaching one million children to 
meditate.
Sheryl Crow says “This is the right thing to do”
In an interview on DLF.TV, Sheryl Crow said, “It’s the message that should be 
sent throughout the world—that all of us on this planet can talk about peace, 
but peace begins within all of us. And so I feel like this is the right thing 
to do, and it’s what should be in the school systems but also should be a part 
of our daily lives throughout.”
Students comment on the Quiet Time program
Students who participate in the TM/Quiet Time program in schools across the 
U.S. are testifying to its powerful and peaceful effect:
“I used to get angry a lot, but now I’m calming down.” —A Detroit middle school 
student
“Slowly everything started changing and now it’s a lot better. Nobody’s 
fighting in our school.” —A Hartford, Connecticut, high school student
“Our school used to be really wild. Now it’s all mellow and calm, just how a 
school’s supposed to be.” —A San Francisco middle school student
“I needed to relax. I needed to get a hold of myself again because I think I 
lost her somewhere. I think what draws people to want to meditate is for their 
personal gain, to excel and be a better person.” —A Hartford high school student
“I looked at my transcript and in freshman and sophomore and junior years I had 
C’s all across and D’s and everything. Now I have A’s and B’s. The only thing I 
noticed that changed is that I started doing the meditation and I saw that as 
the reason it happened, because I’ve been able to concentrate much better.” —A 
Hartford high school student



YOU CAN HELP 
You can help. If you would like to contribute to changing school environments 
for the better—if you want to help create safe, healthy educational 
institutions where students want to learn, 

[FairfieldLife] Re: May Newsletter from the David Lynch Foundation

[off_world_beings]

That may be one of the best drop-caps since the Book of Kells. I wonder
who does his graphics.

OffWorld


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , michael vedamer...@... wrote:


   enjoy  michael
 ---

 Von: The David Lynch Foundation i...@...
 Betreff: May Newsletter from the David Lynch Foundation
 An: michael  vedamer...@...
 Datum: Freitag, 1. Mai 2009, 23:16






























 Sheryl Crow, Donovan, Eddie Vedder, Ben Harper, Moby, Paul Horn,
Angelo Badalamenti, Bettye LaVette, and Jim James joined the two
remaining Beatles to thrill the crowd as well, as did Jerry Seinfeld in
a brilliant guest performance Between acts, David Lynch showed powerful
film clips of meditating students in Foundation schools, and celebrity
personalities Howard Stern, Mike Love of the Beach Boys, and Laura Dern
spoke passionately about the benefits of TM practice. The global press
responded to the event with thousands of headlines and front-page
stories and hundreds of television and radio shows.
 Paul said of TM practice, “It’s a lifelong gift.
It’s something you can call on at any time…. Allowing
children to experience something they wouldn’t have been able to
experience otherwise is a great thing.” And Ringo was delighted
that he and Paul were able to come together to support the David Lynch
Foundation initiative, saying, “I feel the aims of this charity
are wonderful!”
 In addition to their superb individual performances, the musicians at
the concert sang together on many songs and created a powerful, joyful
onstage camaraderie and unity, with everyone committed to bringing
meditation to students everywhere and helping the youth reach their full
potential.
 Why Paul McCartney was happy to perform
 In a videotaped interview with David Lynch, Paul spoke
enthusiastically and knowledgeably about the work of the Foundation in
bringing Transcendental Meditation to 70,000 students worldwide.
“To be able to say the kids in Detroit love it, the kids in the
West Bank love it, the kids in Brazil love it, and you are actually
getting results…. that’s what I love about what
we’re involved in now,” he said. “So that’s
why I was so happy to do the concert. It’s very
inspiring.”
 Donovan: “It’s really simple. Change begins
within”
 “Schools are in trouble,” Donovan said at the New York
press conference preceding the concert. “Teachers need help, and
America’s youth are at serious risk. David Lynch saw the benefits
of the TM program. Now that thousands of children are already receiving
it and are raising their self-esteem, improving their well being, and
turning around the most troubled schools, the proof is in. TM naturally
unfolds any student’s full potential. This really works.
It’s really simple. Change begins within.”
 In the past three years, the David Lynch Foundation has provided
scholarship funding for more than 70,000 students, teachers, and parents
to learn to meditate in the U.S. and Canada and throughout South
America, Europe, Africa, Asia and the Middle East. Half a million
students in 60 countries are currently waiting to begin the
Transcendental Meditation program, including students in over 100
schools in New York City alone. To create a less violent, more peaceful
world, the David Lynch Foundation is continuing to raise the millions of
dollars needed to fulfill its goal of teaching one million children to
meditate.
 Sheryl Crow says “This is the right thing to do”
 In an interview on DLF.TV, Sheryl Crow said, “It’s the
message that should be sent throughout the worldâ€that all of us
on this planet can talk about peace, but peace begins within all of us.
And so I feel like this is the right thing to do, and it’s what
should be in the school systems but also should be a part of our daily
lives throughout.”
 Students comment on the Quiet Time program
 Students who participate in the TM/Quiet Time program in schools
across the U.S. are testifying to its powerful and peaceful effect:
 “I used to get angry a lot, but now I’m calming
down.” â€A Detroit middle school student
 “Slowly everything started changing and now it’s a lot
better. Nobody’s fighting in our school.” â€A
Hartford, Connecticut, high school student
 “Our school used to be really wild. Now it’s all mellow
and calm, just how a school’s supposed to be.” â€A
San Francisco middle school student
 “I needed to relax. I needed to get a hold of myself again
because I think I lost her somewhere. I think what draws people to want
to meditate is for their personal gain, to excel and be a better
person.” â€A Hartford high school student
 “I looked at my transcript and in freshman and sophomore and
junior years I had C’s all across and D’s and everything.
Now I have A’s and B’s. The only thing I noticed that
changed is that I started doing the meditation and I saw that as the
reason it happened, because I’ve been able to 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Respect people's right to anonymity

[satvadude108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willy...@... 
wrote:


All I wanted, Sir is some spiritual help.
 
 From: Richard J. Williams
 Subject: Re: Willytex's (Richard Williams) new name!
 Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
 Date: January 24, 2004
 http://tinyurl.com/d3tttx
 
 HELP ME! I NEED SOME SPIRITUAL HELP! FOR GOD'S
 SAKE, SOMEBODY DO SOMETHING, PLEASE!



Sal: You asked me last week if I ever got the feeling 
that perhaps a poster, on occasion, missed their meds.
Perhaps, but some are clearly nuts all the time. Some-
thing about Texansmight be in the water.

Wee Willie wanders wistfully wacking his wanker
while weighing water to sell by the wiver.

Did you ever read his first draft of chapter one of
my book?

post # 169828

It was interesting that not a single post
was ever made commenting on it. In it he reveals, 
definitively(!), Maharishi's surname which he learned
when introduced to M's brother. 

Apparently he forgot his first draft of chapter one
this week when he posted a different surname in
#217155. Go figure.


see also: Undifferentiated type  ref.# 69

http://snipurl.com/h6pq3

I'm just sayin'..
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: May Newsletter from the David Lynch Foundation

[satvadude108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_re...@... wrote:

 
 That may be one of the best drop-caps since the Book of Kells. I wonder
 who does his graphics.
 
 OffWorld

Yes, the Book Of Kells. Pity the Scots could never
quite get the hang of it no matter how much 
help the Irish gave them. 

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[FairfieldLife] Re: May Newsletter from the David Lynch Foundation

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_re...@... wrote:

 That may be one of the best drop-caps since the Book of Kells.

LOL!

Bit of hyperbole there, but it sure is an elegant one.
Methinks it may have taken inspiration from Obama's
campaign logo.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Respect people's right to anonymity

[ruthsimplicity]

What brought this issue up Rick?  I haven't been around much lately.  This is 
the issue that worries me about this forum.  I have seen several people here 
bring up real names and given that I don't read everything, don't have a long 
history with you folks, I can't tell how they learned the names and whether 
they were being outed.  

My feeling is that there should be one rule here:  no names unless disclosed ON 
THIS FORUM by the person whose name it is.  Alt.tm shouldn't count.  And it 
should be a banning offense. But I know this isn't a democracy so . . . 

Richard, what is the deal with the Willytex?  It is in your  address which is 
visible here. Old baggage?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Respect people's right to anonymity

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , ruthsimplicity no_re...@...
wrote:

 What brought this issue up Rick?  I haven't been around much lately. 
This is the issue that worries me about this forum.  I have seen several
people here bring up real names and given that I don't read everything,
don't have a long history with you folks, I can't tell how they learned
the names and whether they were being outed.

 My feeling is that there should be one rule here:  no names unless
disclosed ON THIS FORUM by the person whose name it is.  Alt.tm
shouldn't count.  And it should be a banning offense. But I know this
isn't a democracy so . . .

 Richard, what is the deal with the Willytex?

He is trying to tell you that he has a Texan willy.

OffWorld

[FairfieldLife] Re: Respect people's right to anonymity

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , ruthsimplicity no_re...@...
wrote:

 What brought this issue up Rick?  I haven't been around much lately. 
This is the issue that worries me about this forum.  I have seen several
people here bring up real names and given that I don't read everything,
don't have a long history with you folks, I can't tell how they learned
the names and whether they were being outed.

 My feeling is that there should be one rule here:  no names unless
disclosed ON THIS FORUM by the person whose name it is

I find it is only cowards who do not want to disclose their names.

OffWorld

[FairfieldLife] Re: May Newsletter from the David Lynch Foundation

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , authfriend jst...@...
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , off_world_beings no_reply@
wrote:
 
  That may be one of the best drop-caps since the Book of Kells.

 LOL!

 Bit of hyperbole there

Heh hehyep.

OffWorld

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Respect people's right to anonymity

[Sal Sunshine]

On May 1, 2009, at 6:43 PM, satvadude108 wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams  
willy...@... wrote:


All I wanted, Sir is some spiritual help.

From: Richard J. Williams
Subject: Re: Willytex's (Richard Williams) new name!
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
Date: January 24, 2004
http://tinyurl.com/d3tttx

HELP ME! I NEED SOME SPIRITUAL HELP! FOR GOD'S
SAKE, SOMEBODY DO SOMETHING, PLEASE!




Sal: You asked me last week if I ever got the feeling
that perhaps a poster, on occasion, missed their meds.
Perhaps, but some are clearly nuts all the time


You think?


. Some-
thing about Texansmight be in the water.


Or the cooking.  Maybe they'll secede and take
their tex-mex with em.


Wee Willie wanders wistfully wacking his wanker
while weighing water to sell by the wiver.

Did you ever read his first draft of chapter one of
my book?


No, I missed that...my loss, I'm sure.


post # 169828

It was interesting that not a single post
was ever made commenting on it. In it he reveals,
definitively(!), Maharishi's surname which he learned
when introduced to M's brother.

Apparently he forgot his first draft of chapter one
this week when he posted a different surname in
#217155. Go figure.


see also: Undifferentiated type  ref.# 69

http://snipurl.com/h6pq3

I'm just sayin'..



Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FFL PostCount ffl.postco...@... wrote:

 52 Robert babajii...@...
 51 geezerfreak geezerfr...@...

Robert can return on the evening of May 8th. I'm gonna let geezer slide on this 
one because the other day he accidentally clicked send before typing in his 
reply and a few minutes later posted a reply to the same post, which, to me, is 
the same as an erroneous double post.

[FairfieldLife] Re: May Newsletter from the David Lynch Foundation

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , satvadude108 no_re...@...
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , off_world_beings no_reply@
wrote:
 
 
  That may be one of the best drop-caps since the Book of Kells. I
wonder
  who does his graphics.
 
  OffWorld

 Yes, the Book Of Kells. Pity the Scots could never
 quite get the hang of it no matter how much
 help the Irish gave them.


Wow...stupid Yank chimes in. Look up the Druwid Colum Cille. Then look
up 'Dra ved'.

The controversy surrounding the birthplace of the Book of Kells
centers on two possible areas, both former sites of monasteries: Iona,
an island off Mull in western Scotland; and Kells, in Ireland's
county Meath, about forty miles northwest of Dublin. St. Columba (also
known as St. Colum Cille) founded the monastery of Iona circa 561, but
following an invasion by Vikings in 806, the monks fled to Kells, where
the two monasteries were united. It is thought that the Book of Kells
was created around the time of this unification.

http://www.celticnetwork.com/culture/celtic-art/book-of-kells.html
http://www.celticnetwork.com/culture/celtic-art/book-of-kells.html

OffWorld

[FairfieldLife] Re: Respect people's right to anonymity

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@...
wrote:

 On May 1, 2009, at 6:43 PM, satvadude108 wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams
  willytex@ wrote:
 
  All I wanted, Sir is some spiritual help.
 
  From: Richard J. Williams
  Subject: Re: Willytex's (Richard Williams) new name!
  Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
  Date: January 24, 2004
  http://tinyurl.com/d3tttx
 
  HELP ME! I NEED SOME SPIRITUAL HELP! FOR GOD'S
  SAKE, SOMEBODY DO SOMETHING, PLEASE!
 
 
 
  Sal: You asked me last week if I ever got the feeling
  that perhaps a poster, on occasion, missed their meds.
  Perhaps, but some are clearly nuts all the time

 You think?

  . Some-
  thing about Texansmight be in the water.

 Or the cooking. Maybe they'll secede and take
 their tex-mex with em.

  Wee Willie wanders wistfully wacking his wanker
  while weighing water to sell by the wiver.
 
  Did you ever read his first draft of chapter one of
  my book?

 No, I missed that...my loss, I'm sure.

  post # 169828
 
  It was interesting that not a single post
  was ever made commenting on it. In it he reveals,
  definitively(!), Maharishi's surname which he learned
  when introduced to M's brother.
 
  Apparently he forgot his first draft of chapter one
  this week when he posted a different surname in
  #217155. Go figure.
 
 
  see also: Undifferentiated type  ref.# 69
 
  http://snipurl.com/h6pq3
 
  I'm just sayin'..
 

 Sal

Satvadude108  must be on to something.

That's Sals most in-depth comment of all time !

OffWorld

[FairfieldLife] Re: Kid Puts Condi on the Defensive About BushCoTorture

[Richard J. Williams]

  Kid Puts Condi on the Defensive 
  About BushCoTorture
  
off_world_beings wrote:
 I don't know how she can show her face 
 in public.
 
The same way Nancy Pelosi can show her face 
in public? Nancy knew of and approved all 
the interrogations and apparently wanted to
employ even more extreme techniques. Nancy
knew the interrogations would work - she's
not dumb. According to George Tenet, the
interrogation techniques approved by Nancy
worked - they kept America safer.

Several high-ranking CIA and Bush 
administration officials, including George 
Tenet, Gen. Michael V. Hayden and Cheney, 
say the harsh methods expanded the government's 
understanding of al-Qaida, led to arrests 
of key terrorists and helped foil plots...

Read more:

'Debate swirls over whether alleged torture 
kept Americans safe'
By Wes Allison
St. Petersburg Times, May 1, 2009 
http://tinyurl.com/dn6vom

[FairfieldLife] New poll crushes Republicans

[off_world_beings]

Crushing defeat against Republicans

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rS_qugH7bbo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rS_qugH7bbo 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rS_qugH7bbo

OffWorld

[FairfieldLife] Re: Kid Puts Condi on the Defensive About BushCoTorture

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Richard J. Williams
willy...@... wrote:

   Kid Puts Condi on the Defensive
   About BushCoTorture
  
 off_world_beings wrote:
  I don't know how she can show her face
  in public.
 
 The same way Nancy Pelosi can show her face
 in public? Nancy knew of and approved all
 the interrogations and apparently wanted to
 employ even more extreme techniques. Nancy
 knew the interrogations would work - she's
 not dumb. According to George Tenet

Lol...no-one on the planet believes George Tenet. Even George W Bush
does not believe a word he says.
Richard you are a senile old idiot.

OffWorld

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Respect people's right to anonymity

[Sal Sunshine]

On May 1, 2009, at 8:55 PM, off_world_beings wrote:

Satvadude108  must be on to something.
That's Sals most in-depth comment of all time !

What can I say?  I'm on  a roll tonight.

Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: Passage from Cartwheels In A Sari...(new book by ex Sri Chinmoy disciple)

[metoostill]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfr...@... wrote:

 The truth was that nothing was true. Guru Sri Chinmoy was a fabrication 
 dreamed and designed by a young and churlish Bangladeshi intent on 
 hypnotizing the world. He had manufactured his image as a modern swami, his 
 own presentation, to suit his vision. With subtle modifications along the 
 way, he molded himself to fit the story he wrote for himself. If Guru was 
 fiction, an invention, I realized, then so was I, for he had created me. I 
 could not imagine that somewhere inside was a real person who could exist 
 wholly unto herself. A fake, created as part of a larger scheme for nearly 
 twenty-five years, I had absorbed space, heralding a false life and a false 
 creator. Nothing around me was true; the emperor wore no clothes.
 
 Jayanti Tamm

Thanks for posting this.  The half hour NPR Talk of the Nation interview was an 
interesting listen.  It struck me that the people who called in expressing 
empathy were as often recovering Christian fundamentalists as former members of 
New Age Eastern groups.  That is a convergence that began to appear more 
striking to me over the past 5 years or so.  Though the two groups are in many 
ways anathema to each other, scratch the surface and they look very similar.

Sri Chinmoy was the guru of Frederick Lenz, aka (self proclaimed Zen Master) 
Rama.  Lenz was a student at Stony Brook University nearby to Chinmoy's Queens 
headquarters, and was for a time the Bevan Morris of the Sri Chinmoy movement.  
Or maybe the Robin Carlson, or the Deepak Chopra, as Lenz quit to become his 
own guru as they did.  I had some close friends who followed Rama for quite a 
few years.  Rama eventually committed suicide, another fact well known to the 
cognoscenti, and interpreted in a variety of either straightforward, or more 
creative, ways.  I have seen a few FF Life posters refer admiringly to Lenz.  
They must know that background, but for those that didn't, that is the lineage 
tie in.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Quantum gods don't deserve your faith (?)

[dhamiltony2k5]

  paste Several things are (in) play here: 
   
  First we have Maharishi vedic science Which is an ancient set of beliefs 
  that is undergoing validation predominantly by the TM organization over the 
  last 35 to 40 years. Even though this is an ancient science the fact that 
  it is undergoing contemporary validation by western science and technology 
  places it in the category of a proto science, see the following 
  definition. 
  end of paste. 
 
 more paste
 Protoscience refers to historical philosophical disciplines which existed 
 prior to the development of scientific method, which allowed them to develop 
 into science proper (see prescientific). A standard example is that of 
 alchemy which later became chemistry, or that of astrology which later became 
 astronomy.
 
 By extension, protoscience may be used in reference to any set of beliefs 
 or theories that have not yet been tested adequately by the scientific method 
 but which are otherwise consistent with existing science, [thus being] a new 
 science working to establish itself as legitimate science
 

some more:
Secondly and thirdly we have the sciences of consciousness and of 
neurophysiology. 
 
The science of consciousness is best explored on the subjective level for the 
simple fact that no instrumentation or testing technology exists that is as 
refined as the human nervous system.   The CERN Accelerator is an example of 
the magnitude of apparatus required to detect the simplest quantum elements. 
Something our bodies do quite naturally.
 
The science of neurophysiology on the other hand is virtually in its infancy I 
estimate about 35 years old. 
 
All this taken into consideration, life experience teaches us that the universe 
is ever expanding and changing. 
 
A once flat world is now round, a sun that used to rise in the morning is now 
the stationary center of our Solar System. Of course these are gross examples 
but what I'm getting at is that everything that we once thought to be true is 
at sometime or another superseded by an even greater truth. I have seen this 
happen over and over and over again throughout my life.  

However, my expectations based on personal experience, is that this measurement 
process is going to become more and more and more refined over time as new 
knowledge or truths are revealed. Personally, I have serious doubts as to 
whether we will ever be able to physically measure the mechanics of 
consciousness.  I believe that at best we may hope to get some indicators which 
can be cross referenced with sufficient confidence to provide theoretical 
validity.

 
Like many long term meditators I have experienced 'Being' beyond time-space. At 
that level of consciousness there is no relative world, no relative universe. 
How then, can a measurement be taken of the deepest level of consciousness when 
nothing physical like the brain exists to measure.  


 http://en.wikipedia.org:80/wiki/Scientific_method
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org:80/wiki/Science
 
 http://en.wiktionary.org:80/wiki/prescientific
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org:80/wiki/Alchemy
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org:80/wiki/Chemistry
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org:80/wiki/Astrology
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org:80/wiki/Astronomy
 
 
 end
 
 
 
  
   Om
  
  Yet there are evidently some good folks in the middle and for some time 
  now, nobody here much really defending or explaining the thinking inside.  
  FFL crossfire can makes it hard to stand up at times.
  
  I figured there are some thinking folks there inside so I sent an e-mail 
  over to someone inside asking what they think and got this back.  I like 
  the insight.  Is kind of one-sided here on FFL but evidently there is also 
  thinking and work going on inside too.  I likes the insight to that 
  otherside too.  Even if they are cultists in their way.
  
  paste Several things are a play here: 
   
  First we have Maharishi vedic science Which is an ancient set of beliefs 
  that is undergoing validation predominantly by the TM organization over the 
  last 35 to 40 years. Even though this is an ancient science the fact that 
  it is undergoing contemporary validation by western science and technology 
  places it in the category of a proto science, see the following definition. 
  end of paste. 

  JGD,
  -D 
  
  with American University on the TM® technique and College Stress
  
  
  http://blog.silentadministration.org/2009/03/transcendental-meditation-reduces.h\
  tml
  
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 guyfawkes91@ wrote:
  
   Fred is probably one of the few people in the TMO doing a useful job. 
   Shame
  that MUM will fold sometime in the next 20 years because they can't get the
  staff.
  
  
  
  
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
   

On Apr 27, 2009, at 12:45 AM, guyfawkes91 wrote:

 If CERN doesn't find a Higgs Boson then unified field theories are  
 in big trouble. If people stop believing that 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Short. Angry. Hairy. Canadian.

[Patrick Gillam]

A.O. Scott's review in the New York 
Times derived an opening punch line 
from Wolverine's Canadian origin also.

http://movies.nytimes.com/2009/05/01/movies/01wolv.html?8dpc


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_re...@... wrote:

 
 How a ridiculous Canadian mutant conquered the world.
 
 http://www.slate.com/id/2217342/ http://www.slate.com/id/2217342/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Respect people's right to anonymity

[Richard J. Williams]

  All I wanted, Sir is some spiritual help.
  
satvadude108 wrote: 
 Did you ever read his first draft of chapter 
 one...?
 
Thanks for plug, but this little treatise was
written by Tom Anderson and posted to Usenet
a long time ago. It's a kind of satire, if you 
have any sense of humor left in you. After 
doing some minor editing, it now reads like 
a send-up. Enjoy!

Mahesh Chandra Shrivastava, (Marshy) b. 12 
Jan 1917, claims to have been a totally devoted 
disciple of his great guru and master Brahmanand 
Saraswati, Jagatguru of Jyotirmath. 

Yes, I know Marshy's family name because I was 
introduced to his brother, J. P. Shrivastava at 
Rishikesh by Shantanand. Shantanand said, This 
is Maharishi's brother. And the gentleman 
introduced himself as J. P. Shrivastava. I also 
had the opportunity to ask some of the very 
earliest initiators who also confirmed this...

Read more:

Chapter One:
http://www.rwilliams.us/archives/book_1.htm

[FairfieldLife] Re: Passage from Cartwheels In A Sari...(new book by ex Sri Chinmoy disciple)

[lurkernomore20002000]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, metoostill metoost...@... wrote:
 I have seen a few FF Life posters refer admiringly to Lenz.  They must know 
that background, but for those that didn't, that is the lineage tie in.

Are you saying that everything you know about him, was second hand, or from 
observation of your friends?  Did you read any of his books, or interviews?  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Respect people's right to anonymity

[satvadude108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote:

 On May 1, 2009, at 6:43 PM, satvadude108 wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams  
  willytex@ wrote:
 
  All I wanted, Sir is some spiritual help.
 
  From: Richard J. Williams
  Subject: Re: Willytex's (Richard Williams) new name!
  Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
  Date: January 24, 2004
  http://tinyurl.com/d3tttx
 
  HELP ME! I NEED SOME SPIRITUAL HELP! FOR GOD'S
  SAKE, SOMEBODY DO SOMETHING, PLEASE!
 
 
 
  Sal: You asked me last week if I ever got the feeling
  that perhaps a poster, on occasion, missed their meds.
  Perhaps, but some are clearly nuts all the time
 
 You think?
 
  . Some-
  thing about Texansmight be in the water.
 
 Or the cooking.  Maybe they'll secede and take
 their tex-mex with em.
 

Yes, they can keep have the tex-mex garbage.
New Mexico cuisine is far superior.
Hatch chiles rock!

http://www.losdosmolinosaz.com/

[FairfieldLife] Re: May Newsletter from the David Lynch Foundation

[satvadude108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_re...@... wrote:

 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , satvadude108 no_reply@
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , off_world_beings no_reply@
 wrote:
  
  
   That may be one of the best drop-caps since the Book of Kells. I
 wonder
   who does his graphics.
  
   OffWorld
 
  Yes, the Book Of Kells. Pity the Scots could never
  quite get the hang of it no matter how much
  help the Irish gave them.
 
 
 Wow...stupid Yank chimes in. Look up the Druwid Colum Cille. Then look
 up 'Dra ved'.
 
 The controversy surrounding the birthplace of the Book of Kells
 centers on two possible areas, both former sites of monasteries: Iona,
 an island off Mull in western Scotland; and Kells, in Ireland's
 county Meath, about forty miles northwest of Dublin. St. Columba (also
 known as St. Colum Cille) founded the monastery of Iona circa 561, but
 following an invasion by Vikings in 806, the monks fled to Kells, where
 the two monasteries were united. It is thought that the Book of Kells
 was created around the time of this unification.
 
 http://www.celticnetwork.com/culture/celtic-art/book-of-kells.html
 http://www.celticnetwork.com/culture/celtic-art/book-of-kells.html
 
 OffWorld


Columba was from County Donegal, 
Ireland you gormless twit.

When Columba went to Scotland from Kells in County 
Meath the people he found there were illiterate, wearing
hair shirts, still painting themselves blue, and  would have
been starving if they hadn't gotten to harvesting 
dingelberries from their sheep's arses. Buggering
a brother when you couldn't find a sister to shag 
was considered high culture. This behavior was only 
ameliorated when they were shown how to domesticate 
sheep and is still held in high regard to this day in
outlying areas.

The Book of Kells was held in Meath 200 years before the 
monks fled Iona and it was another eight hundred years
before the Scotts could even begin to approach the skill 
necessary to produce such illustrations. The Picts were a
talentless and backward folk only improved by donations
to the gene pool by the Gaels.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Respect people's right to anonymity

[satvadude108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote:

 On May 1, 2009, at 8:55 PM, off_world_beings wrote:
 
 Satvadude108  must be on to something.
 That's Sals most in-depth comment of all time !
 
 What can I say?  I'm on  a roll tonight.
 
 Sal


And I thought it was cuz yas liked me.

sigh

[FairfieldLife] Re: Respect people's right to anonymity

[satvadude108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willy...@... 
wrote:

   All I wanted, Sir is some spiritual help.
   
 satvadude108 wrote: 
  Did you ever read his first draft of chapter 
  one...?
  
 Thanks for plug, but this little treatise was
 written by Tom Anderson and posted to Usenet
 a long time ago.
 

 So you lied that it was your own work
and hid your plagiarizing for over a year
and continue the sham by now placing it 
on your website with no attribution to 
another author. 

Have you no shame sir? 

You are no Texan nor are you a gentleman.
Sam Houston rolls in his grave as I fart in 
your general direction. Stop your lying!

 Read more:
 
 Chapter One:
 http://www.rwilliams.us/archives/book_1.htm