[FairfieldLife] Re: The Grand Unified Fair Field Life
Dear Turq, Ammachi will be nearby you shortly on her European tour. Can just walk in and hang out and sit with it. No fees. Often great music while her older swamis sing. Is all quite a scene biblical otherwise. http://www.amma.org/tours/amma-tours/europe.html Yes, Yes. It is the chakra school of cosmology. The membrane is the fabric light of the chakra, of the fibration of consciousness in wave and light form. The light body. Also at that point in the old TM bubble diagram where thought comes out. There, Hagelin's string, Hugo's Brane membrane, and Turq's buddhistic, and TM unified. The Grand Unified Fair Field Life. The GUFFL. Or UFFL for short. Ammachi teaches shat is a very nice advanced meditation for TM'ers. Her IAM teaching is of this. Is quite integrative, encompassing and practically also of that chakra school like Haglin is talking about. Even non-sectarian. Is really well taught and cheap to learn through Ammachi. Can learn it at some of the venues on her tour schedule and some of her centers. Look on her web pages. A lot of people have learned it in Fairfield and use it also as they meditate. Is very useful.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Movie Review: (500) Days Of Summer
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifux...@... wrote: Me too, loved it; although I like most movies. There's even a 1% chance that Zooey is a TMer, so this isn't a total non-sequitur on this forum. :-) Her father Caleb Deschanel (Academy Award-winning cinematographer) was active in the LA TM center back when I was teaching there. So if the drop out statistics that Curtis and others have reported here (in their experience, when calling mailing lists of TMers, 90% had quit) are true, then there is a 10% chance that he would have passed it along to his kids, and another 10% chance she would have kept meditating. I think that's how the math works. :-) But whatever she is, she's cute as a button... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: OPENING NARRATION: This is a story of boy meets girl. The boy, Tom Hansen of Margate, New Jersey, grew up believing that he'd never truly be happy until the day he met The One. This belief stemmed from early exposure to sad British pop music and a total misreading of the movie 'The Graduate.' The girl, Summer Finn of Shinnecock, Michigan, did not share this belief. Since the disintegration of her parent's marriage she'd only loved two things. The first was her long dark hair. The second was how easily she could cut it off and not feel a thing. Tom meets Summer on January 8th. He knows almost immediately she is who he has been searching for. This is a story of boy meets girl, but you should know upfront, this is not a love story. But this review is. I am in love with this film. I have been in love with it ever since seeing the trailer a few months ago. Watching a workprint of the film tonight not only did not dampen my ardor, it deepened it. And this is not an adolescent-crush-love-is-blind love on my part. I have my reasons for it. First, there is Zooey Deschanel. Second, how can you not love a film that starts with the following lines printed onscreen before the credits? AUTHOR'S NOTE: The following is a work of fiction. Any resemblance to persons living or dead is purely coincidental. Especially you Jenny Beckman. Bitch. Third, there is Zooey Deschanel. In one pithy phrase, (500) Days Of Summer is easily the best romantic comedy in years. The writing is fabulous, containing more funny lines per minute than any film of this type I can think of since When Harry Met Sally. And there is Zooey Deschanel. A star is born. Not that Joseph Gordon-Levitt isn't great. He follows up his excellent work in The Lookout and Killshot and other films with a film that will probably jumpstart his career as well. But hey! I'm a guy, and Zooey stole my heart just as effectively as she steals his. Besides, it's a story told out of order, which I love. (500) Days Of Summer is exactly what the title implies it is, a tale composed of vignettes from the 500 days of an unforgettable love affair. But one of the things that makes this unforgettable love affair memorable is that these vignettes are presented not in sequence, as they happened, but in the order they need to be in to tell the story properly. I give it 500 stars.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Passing Health-Care Reform Could Change Political Landscape
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Given your proximity to the issue and your calling in this regard, Ruth, I'd really love to hear what you have to say about the whole scene that's been going down in the US over health care reform. I would completely understand if you don't want to or can't talk about it, but I for one would love to hear your perspective. Living where I do, in a country with a sane approach to health care, it's been hard for me to get a handle on what I see in the US news. It's as if I'm watching a country that has collectively LOST ITS FUCKING MIND. What's your assessment, being on the front lines? WTF can people who repeat the Death Panels meme be *thinking*? Do they really not understand that they are describing the present system, and the insurance companies that run it? Too busy and can't really talk much about things. Plus, I need more distance. Sometimes I am amazed at how little people know about how the insurance markets work and thus how health care reform may work if we tweak this or that. There is a lot of exhaustion right now, with a few senators working hard to push, push, push to final legislation. Merging the Finance and Health committee bills is a bear, though I have a lot of confidence in Reid. Plus there are a number of unintended consequence holes that need to be plugged, which is tedious work. And then comes the House and the Senate. Posturing has been tiresome, but with the August recess in dim memory it is less of an immediate problem. I do love hearing statements like we have the best health care system in the whole world. Yippee America, we are number one! Yup, if you are insured and live in the right community. El Paso Texas vs. McAllen Texas. I worry about how to reduce health care inflation, but as soon as people hear about controlling cost they think rationing. Or that that someone might interfere with their doctor/patient relationship. (Of course, insurance companies already interfere in that relationship and gasp doctors aren't always going to make the best decision or be efficient.) Killing Medicare Advantage subsidies is a small first step that is clearly warranted, but even that gets people up in arms. We need to get new reimbursement mechanisms in place to reward the practice of good medicine. We also need to strengthen our primary care system. I like a public option because it can experiment with reimbursement in ways insurance companies have been unwilling to try. We also need to experiment more with Medicare and reimbursement. This is not easy, the Swiss have struggled with their requirement which limits coverage to effective, appropriate, and efficient treatment. It often isn't formulaic so it can be difficult. But some things are formulaic and simple. Tell a hospital it will not get Medicare money unless it has a checklist system in place for reducing infections. It is proven to work. No question. But we shouldn't need a law for that, just give Medicare (and any other public plan) the ability to reward what needs to be rewarded. I can barely touch on it, but Medicare has to get control over drug costs and be allowed to bargain on drug prices. In large part economists are telling me that things are expensive in the US simply because they can be. But we aren't a country like Japan, willing to address cost by having a system where government decides how much will be paid for x,y or z. Like it or not, we are not a country of collectivists, and the current distrust of government is not helping. Anyway, I am rambling a bit on this gloomy evening. Thanks for taking the time to ramble, Ruth. It helps to put things into perspective for someone like myself who is far away from the issues, not nose to the grindstone with them like you are. Good luck. It's one of the most pressing issues of our time, or any time. As someone once said (wasn't it...uh...Jeeezus?), Ye shall know them by how they treat the least among them. The United States of America seems to want not only the least among its citizens to just die quietly, quickly, and inexpensively, it helps them to do so.
[FairfieldLife] TM is not a religion (was Re: times of upcoming Pujas in Meru)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony...@... wrote: Michael, you seem on the ground there. Who schedules and who coordinates these things? Does it come from movement Raja's sitting in parliament declaring the movement should do these yagya things and promote them? Or does this kind of seeming new public policy happen to come from smaller exec. committee? Select Rajas or some Purusaha operating on their own enthusiastic initiative? Just wondering. I have heard that such decisions about yagyas and other similar practices are made by the Ministry Of Hypocrisy, which is a division of the Ministry Of Redundancy Ministry. Om, thanks for the clarification. What part of the official Transcendental Meditation movement is behind scheduling these things? Maharishi University of Management, The David Lynch Foundation, The Indian TM movement, The TM Global Country with its Rajas, Raja Emmanuel and Bevan? John Hagelin? Thank you for pointing out the oversight in my previous clarifications, Doug. Yes, I did leave out the definition of one term, MERU. That stands for Maharishi European Research University, the official home of the TM movement in Holland. Here is what it looks like: Thanks, it looks all very interlocking. I did not see John Hagelin's or David Lynch's name at that level. Are they not included anymore? [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0e/MERU,_Vlodrop,_Holla\ nd_(thumbnail).jpg] And here's an interesting Web page that talks about a conference at MERU that in fact uses the same non-religious image of Dhanvantari that I used in my clarification post. http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://i125.photobucket.com/album\ s/p66/dubrovnikpeace/dhanvantari.jpgimgrefurl=http://blogs.myspace.com/\ index.cfm%3Ffuseaction%3Dblog.view%26friendId%3D83182852%26blogId%3D4457\ 35435usg=__d4tfZsoJUOE5T-PZBwKjQC5wuyE=h=442w=273sz=17hl=enstart=5\ um=1tbnid=TX2u21ccPLqJAM:tbnh=127tbnw=78prev=/images%3Fq%3DMERU%2BH\ olland%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1 http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://i125.photobucket.com/albu\ ms/p66/dubrovnikpeace/dhanvantari.jpgimgrefurl=http://blogs.myspace.com\ /index.cfm%3Ffuseaction%3Dblog.view%26friendId%3D83182852%26blogId%3D445\ 735435usg=__d4tfZsoJUOE5T-PZBwKjQC5wuyE=h=442w=273sz=17hl=enstart=\ 5um=1tbnid=TX2u21ccPLqJAM:tbnh=127tbnw=78prev=/images%3Fq%3DMERU%2B\ Holland%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1 Thank you for helping me to clear up all these misconceptions that the TMO is either a religion or promoting religious practices. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: For lurkers who may not be familiar with the non-religious names and terms used in this announcement: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, michael vedamerlin@ wrote: Betreff: time of upcoming Pujas in Holland PÅ«jÄ (Devanagari http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devanagari : पà¥à¤à¤¾) (alternative transliteration http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transliteration Pooja http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pooja , Sanskrit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanskrit : reverence http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverence , honour http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honour , adoration http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adoration , or worship http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worship ) is a ceremony of gratitude or a religious http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion ritual http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ritual performed as an offering to various deities, distinguished persons, or special guests. It is done on a variety of occasions and settings, from daily puja done in the home, to temple ceremonies and large festivals, or to begin a new venture. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puja_%28Hinduism%29#cite_note-Gale-0 Puja is modeled on the idea of giving a gift or offering to a deity or important person and receiving their blessing. - Wikipedia Here are the likely starting times (Holland time) of Rashtra Geet at the beginning of the upcoming grand global Pujas: 15 October, Dhanvantari Puja: 13:30h Dhanvantari (incarnation of the Hindu god Vishnu -- It is common practice in Hinduism for worshipers to pray to Lord Dhanvantari seeking his blessings for sound health for themselves and/or others. - Wikipedia): [http://deshika.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/dhanvantari3.gif] 16 October, Hanuman Puja: 14:00h Hanuman (personification of bhakti http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhakti [devotion to God] in Hinduism): [http://9dozen.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/hanuman12.jpg]
[FairfieldLife] Re: Afghan War is a Quagmire for the US
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: If NATO can't win a war in Afghanistan, how could they win a regional war in Europe? Hugo wrote: America is part of NATO, it stands for North Atlantic Treaty Organisation... But, you really didn't answer my question, Hugo. If NATO can't win a war in Afghanistan, how could they win a regional war in Europe? It would depend on what the war was about and who they were fighting. The Afghan war continues even though all of it's original justifications have disappeared, capture of Bin Laden, erradication of opium trade, establishment of womens rights, establishment of democracy- this last is a particularly sad joke, all those people dead to defend a corrupt farce like the recent election. No wonder no-one has ever defeated the Afghans the only reason we are still there is to prevent losing face. I'm sure we'll bow out sooner rather than later and the world will continue on it's path. You can't wage war on ideas, you could kill all Islamists but others will take their place simply because of the effrontery of a bunch of westeners enforcing their way of life where it doesn't belong. The endless war indeed. If the U.S. were to pull out of Afghanistan, then the U.S. would be withdrawing from NATO agreements. At that point, Europe would probably be helpless from a foreign attack, since everyone knows that the U.S. pays for over half of NATO expenses. If the U.S. withdraws troops from Afghanistan, why not withdraw all U.S. forces from Europe? The September 11 attacks caused NATO to invoke Article 5 of the NATO Charter for the first time in its history. The Article says that an attack on any member shall be considered to be an attack on all... NATO: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO#Membership
[FairfieldLife] TM is not a religion (was Re: times of upcoming Pujas in Meru)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony...@... wrote: Michael, you seem on the ground there. Who schedules and who coordinates these things? Does it come from movement Raja's sitting in parliament declaring the movement should do these yagya things and promote them? Or does this kind of seeming new public policy happen to come from smaller exec. committee? Select Rajas or some Purusaha operating on their own enthusiastic initiative? Just wondering. According to the Marshy channel the vedic calendar wasn't written by man but by nature itself. What this means, or perhaps what they *think* it means, is that certain days and times of the year are more powerful than others for certain things you may want to do. Aspects of natural law are allegedly enlivened by conjunctions of planets against a randomly chosen background of stars. At these times you can chant Indian hymns (apparently present somewhere in the quantum field but you won't be hearing about it from CERN very much) to give you more luck in your endeavours, create world peace, even improve your health and get a better job. It's got nothing to do with us, they say, it's just part of the great unfolding cosmic plan. All you need to work out this divinely inspired schedule is a model of the solar system with Earth at the centre being orbitted by the sun and planets but with some of the outer planets missing - the ancients didn't have telescopes and didn't know there was anything beyond Saturn you see but it can't affect the overall predictions can it? Cheekily, when you see astrology on the channel they always say The nine planets as though they are including them all when they are using four of the nodes of the moon to make up the numbers. They even have a model of the brain with the planets and moon-nodes linked to the areas they affect even though it don't addd up with what's out there! Chortle. A cynic might say that they are just praying to the Gods and mixing it up with sciencey-sounding phrases to con the unwary into thinking it has some sort of rational basis. The evidence is that believers are going to be a bit more likely to cough-up the readies if it comes from a world renowned phycisist. And, let's face it, this stuff aint cheap. I'm not a cynic though and I prefer to judge things on whether or not they actually work.. Still waiting. JGD, -D in FF Om, thanks for the clarification. What part of the official Transcendental Meditation movement is behind scheduling these things? Maharishi University of Management, The David Lynch Foundation, The Indian TM movement, The TM Global Country with its Rajas, Raja Emmanuel and Bevan? John Hagelin? Thank you for pointing out the oversight in my previous clarifications, Doug. Yes, I did leave out the definition of one term, MERU. That stands for Maharishi European Research University, the official home of the TM movement in Holland. Here is what it looks like: Thanks, it looks all very interlocking. I did not see John Hagelin's or David Lynch's name at that level. Are they not included anymore? [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0e/MERU,_Vlodrop,_Holla\ nd_(thumbnail).jpg] And here's an interesting Web page that talks about a conference at MERU that in fact uses the same non-religious image of Dhanvantari that I used in my clarification post. http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://i125.photobucket.com/album\ s/p66/dubrovnikpeace/dhanvantari.jpgimgrefurl=http://blogs.myspace.com/\ index.cfm%3Ffuseaction%3Dblog.view%26friendId%3D83182852%26blogId%3D4457\ 35435usg=__d4tfZsoJUOE5T-PZBwKjQC5wuyE=h=442w=273sz=17hl=enstart=5\ um=1tbnid=TX2u21ccPLqJAM:tbnh=127tbnw=78prev=/images%3Fq%3DMERU%2BH\ olland%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1 http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://i125.photobucket.com/albu\ ms/p66/dubrovnikpeace/dhanvantari.jpgimgrefurl=http://blogs.myspace.com\ /index.cfm%3Ffuseaction%3Dblog.view%26friendId%3D83182852%26blogId%3D445\ 735435usg=__d4tfZsoJUOE5T-PZBwKjQC5wuyE=h=442w=273sz=17hl=enstart=\ 5um=1tbnid=TX2u21ccPLqJAM:tbnh=127tbnw=78prev=/images%3Fq%3DMERU%2B\ Holland%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1 Thank you for helping me to clear up all these misconceptions that the TMO is either a religion or promoting religious practices. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: For lurkers who may not be familiar with the non-religious names and terms used in this announcement: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, michael vedamerlin@ wrote: Betreff: time of upcoming Pujas in Holland PÅ«jÄ (Devanagari http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devanagari : पà¥à¤à¤¾) (alternative transliteration
[FairfieldLife] TM is not a religion (was Re: times of upcoming Pujas in Meru)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: These sound like scientific procedures to me! Are they from a book on Quantum Physics? Chuckle. It's a source of endless amusement to me that the TMO insist that its use of Hindu deities in rituals is something to do with them being aspects of natural law. I'm not sure I'm amused by it after four decades. For me it brings up feelings of sadness at the sheer SPINELESSNESS of long-term TMers. They are still defending the TM is not a religion meme WHILE attending TMO-sponsored yagyas that make offerings to *specific* Hindu deities. IMO it's *just fine* to believe in a bunch of gods and goddesses and to believe that they are so petty and vain that they would be swayed into bestowing favors on humans stupid enough to offer them rice and ghee. It's superstition, but hey! *lots* of people on this rock are superstitious. Jews believe in a God who is an old man with a hoary white beard dispensing punishment to people who do horrible things like using the same kitchen to prepare meat and milk dishes. Catholics believe not only in a big male God with a hoary beard, but that he has by his side his son, whom God killed savagely for their sins, and whose blood and flesh they symbol- ically consume every Sunday in church. But these people are at least HONEST about their religious beliefs and practices. TMers attend these yagyas, pray to Hindu gods and goddesses and try to bribe them into bestowing favors on them, and then go out and give an intro lecture or talk to a school system and tell them with a straight face that the TMO is promoting no religious practices. Not only is this hypocritical to the max, it is cowardly and spineless. It's *OK* to believe in supernatural beings; what's less OK is to believe in them and lie about it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Article for John (jr_esq)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sallysunshine01 salsunshine@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: In this post Barry provides hard evidence for what I suggested yesterday in a comment to John: And in this post Judy provides hard evidence --once again--that not only is she totally obsessed with Barry, but that she can't restrain herself from using up many if not most of her weekly posts on this obsession. Another week, another early 'post out' by the perpetual stalker and disgustingly mean-spiritied authors.nag. 'Obsessed and bitter is, as obsessed and bitter does.' [W/apologies to Forest Gump] Thanks for noticing, and commenting, but there's really nothing I or you or seemingly anyone else can do about this stalking thang except to prac- tice Message View FFL reading: 1. See the dogshit. 2. Step around the dogshit. 3. Keep walking, and continue on one's Way. 4. Leave the dogshit to fester in its own stink.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Passing Health-Care Reform Could Change Political Landscape
Thanks for posting, Ruth. It's great to get a perspective from someone who knows what they're talking about. Sometimes I wonder about Harry Reid's commitment to a robust public option. Why is it so important for him to have Olympia Snow's vote to move the Senate Finance health care bill out of committee and on to the floor when all she wants are is a trigger' to make sure the public option is ineffectual? She probably won't vote for ANY bill that hits the floor anyway. Since have a filibuster proof Senate with 60 votes,Reid should move for cloture NOW and ask for an up or down vote for a public option. What Democratic senator in his right mind would vote against it? Reid has to show more leadership and whip the vote. Check out this report from Firedoglake. It makes you wonder why Arlen Specter shows more chutzpah to get cloture than Reid and why Reid is seemingly dragging his feet. http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/10/15/specter-urges-dem-unity-on-cloture-reid-thanks-for-doing-my-job/ --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Given your proximity to the issue and your calling in this regard, Ruth, I'd really love to hear what you have to say about the whole scene that's been going down in the US over health care reform. I would completely understand if you don't want to or can't talk about it, but I for one would love to hear your perspective. Living where I do, in a country with a sane approach to health care, it's been hard for me to get a handle on what I see in the US news. It's as if I'm watching a country that has collectively LOST ITS FUCKING MIND. What's your assessment, being on the front lines? WTF can people who repeat the Death Panels meme be *thinking*? Do they really not understand that they are describing the present system, and the insurance companies that run it? Too busy and can't really talk much about things. Plus, I need more distance. Sometimes I am amazed at how little people know about how the insurance markets work and thus how health care reform may work if we tweak this or that. There is a lot of exhaustion right now, with a few senators working hard to push, push, push to final legislation. Merging the Finance and Health committee bills is a bear, though I have a lot of confidence in Reid. Plus there are a number of unintended consequence holes that need to be plugged, which is tedious work. And then comes the House and the Senate. Posturing has been tiresome, but with the August recess in dim memory it is less of an immediate problem. I do love hearing statements like we have the best health care system in the whole world. Yippee America, we are number one! Yup, if you are insured and live in the right community. El Paso Texas vs. McAllen Texas. I worry about how to reduce health care inflation, but as soon as people hear about controlling cost they think rationing. Or that that someone might interfere with their doctor/patient relationship. (Of course, insurance companies already interfere in that relationship and gasp doctors aren't always going to make the best decision or be efficient.) Killing Medicare Advantage subsidies is a small first step that is clearly warranted, but even that gets people up in arms. We need to get new reimbursement mechanisms in place to reward the practice of good medicine. We also need to strengthen our primary care system. I like a public option because it can experiment with reimbursement in ways insurance companies have been unwilling to try. We also need to experiment more with Medicare and reimbursement. This is not easy, the Swiss have struggled with their requirement which limits coverage to effective, appropriate, and efficient treatment. It often isn't formulaic so it can be difficult. But some things are formulaic and simple. Tell a hospital it will not get Medicare money unless it has a checklist system in place for reducing infections. It is proven to work. No question. But we shouldn't need a law for that, just give Medicare (and any other public plan) the ability to reward what needs to be rewarded. I can barely touch on it, but Medicare has to get control over drug costs and be allowed to bargain on drug prices. In large part economists are telling me that things are expensive in the US simply because they can be. But we aren't a country like Japan, willing to address cost by having a system where government decides how much will be paid for x,y or z. Like it or not, we are not a country of collectivists, and the current distrust of government is not helping. Anyway, I am rambling a bit on this gloomy evening.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Passing Health-Care Reform Could Change Political Landscape
On Oct 16, 2009, at 6:31 AM, raunchydog wrote: Thanks for posting, Ruth. It's great to get a perspective from someone who knows what they're talking about. Sometimes I wonder about Harry Reid's commitment to a robust public option. Why is it so important for him to have Olympia Snow's vote to move the Senate Finance health care bill out of committee and on to the floor when all she wants are is a trigger' to make sure the public option is ineffectual? She probably won't vote for ANY bill that hits the floor anyway. Huh! Wait till you find out your insurer is L.L. Bean! Then it'll all make sense... :-)
[FairfieldLife] Indian dinosaurs were the first to die!
No yagyas in those days. http://www.phenomenica.com/2009/10/huge-asteroid-crashing.html
Fwd: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: I voted no
-Original Message- From: wle...@aol.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, Oct 15, 2009 11:35 pm Subject: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: I voted no -Original Message- From: Orrin Hatch or...@hatchforsenate.com To: William Leed wle...@aol.com Sent: Thu, Oct 15, 2009 3:14 pm Subject: I voted no William -- More spending... more government... more taxes... un-constitutional... mis-guided... rushed... unpopular... $1 trillion... Those are just a few of the phrases that describe the health care bill I voted against Tuesday. Unfortunately, despite the fact that only 34%* of Americans support the Democrats' headlong rush toward this government takeover of our heath care, President Obama and his liberal allies are doubling-down in their efforts to impose this bill on us. Will you help me stop the government takeover of our health care? Let me be clear, what the Democrats are trying to jam down our throats is government control of our lives... ... through higher taxes, more government spending, federal government bureaucrats controlling our health care decisions and unconstitutional mandates enforced by the IRS. I need your help to fight back! To make matters worse, a study released Monday by PricewaterhouseCoopers found that the typical American family could pay $4,000 more for health insurance in 2019 if the Democrats' health care bill is enacted -- meaning that the average family would pay $25,900 per year for insurance under the plan. With Democrat leaders promising to force this so-called reform through Congress as soon as next week, we need to have the resources on hand to get the facts out about President Obama's health care agenda. Please donate $25, $50, $100 or even $250 today to stop this government takeover. Thank you for making your voice heard in this important debate. Sincerely, Senator Orrin Hatch P.S. I need you to step up and fight back against President Obama's plan to take over our health care. Please contribute $25 today. *Pew Research Center (9/30-10/4/2009; 1,500 adults, +/- 3% margin of error) Link Website | Donate Paid for by Hatch Election Committee Inc. 175 S. West Temple, Suite 650 | Salt Lake City, UT 84101 This email was sent to: wle...@aol.com Privacy Policy | Unsubscribe
[FairfieldLife] 2012 prophecy is Cosmophobia says NASA scientist
2012 doomsday prediction nothing but a hoax. A NASA scientist has said that the prophecy by the ancient Mayans that the world might end in the year 2012, is nothing but a hoax, which is only helping the promoters of the conspiracy theory to rake in huge profits. NASA scientist David Morrison's concise summary of the claims and the scientific response to the widespread Internet belief that December 21, 2012, will be doomsday for planet Earth, determines that the whole thing is nothing but a hoax. For several months, NASA and many astronomers have received increasingly worried letters and e-mails from members of the public about the possibility, widely touted on the Internet that the world will end in 2012. Many mechanisms for doomsday are being proposed, including a collision with a fictional planet called Nibiru, deadly activity on the surface of the Sun that lashes out at Earth, alignments with the center of our galaxy, and many more. David Morrison has coined the term cosmophobia - fear of the cosmos - for these concerns, and has seen a huge increase in the phenomenon this year. Dr. Morrison, a world-renowned expert on the solar system (and asteroid impacts), also serves as the public scientist for NASA's Ask an Astrobiologist service, where he answers questions for the public. He has received so many questions about 2012 and the end of the world, that he felt he had to investigate and set the record straight. One of his most interesting findings is that the distributors of the science fiction motion picture 2012, to be released this November, are purposely feeding the flames of the Internet panic, in what is called a viral marketing campaign. They have created fake science websites and encouraging people to search for 2012 on the Web, all for the sake of some publicity for the movie, the findings indicate. Also, most of the sites based on the 2012 theory are full of nonsense and misunderstanding, often by people who have written books on coming disaster that they are trying to sell, the findings reveal. From here: http://www.phenomenica.com/2009/10/2012-doomsday-prediction.html
RE: [FairfieldLife] Gallup: Hillary Clinton Now More Popular Than Barack Obama
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of raunchydog Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 12:13 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Gallup: Hillary Clinton Now More Popular Than Barack Obama Hillary Clinton lost the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination to Barack Obama, but in one respect she now ranks ahead of Obama. The president's current favorable rating of 56% is down 22 percentage points since January. Over the same time span, Clinton's favorable rating has changed little, and now, at 62%, it exceeds Obama's. Probably because Obama has been on the firing line and Hillary has been more in the background. If she had become President and Obama had become Secretary of State, her popularity would have tanked and his would be much higher.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Indian dinosaurs were the first to die!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes...@... wrote: No yagyas in those days. http://www.phenomenica.com/2009/10/huge-asteroid-crashing.html OTOH if the dinosaurs did have access to the Infinite organising power of natural law and could thus have Averted the danger that had not yet come the human race would never have evolved. So we should be thankful for these small mercies.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Gallup: Hillary Clinton Now More Popular Than Barack Obama
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of raunchydog Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 12:13 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Gallup: Hillary Clinton Now More Popular Than Barack Obama Hillary Clinton lost the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination to Barack Obama, but in one respect she now ranks ahead of Obama. The president's current favorable rating of 56% is down 22 percentage points since January. Over the same time span, Clinton's favorable rating has changed little, and now, at 62%, it exceeds Obama's. Probably because Obama has been on the firing line and Hillary has been more in the background. If she had become President and Obama had become Secretary of State, her popularity would have tanked and his would be much higher. The approval comparison is bogus simply because the specifics of their obligations to the nation are completely different.
[FairfieldLife] TM is not a religion (was Re: times of upcoming Pujas in Meru)
Nablusoss, someone was telling me this morning in a line in FF while waiting for coffee that Tony Nadar recently gave an excellent lecture explaining the science of the devata nature. Said it was a very good talk. Demystifying. Is that linked on the global family chats? Or somewhere? Just wondering. JGD, Doug in FF --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: These sound like scientific procedures to me! Are they from a book on Quantum Physics? Chuckle. It's a source of endless amusement to me that the TMO insist that its use of Hindu deities in rituals is something to do with them being aspects of natural law. I'm not sure I'm amused by it after four decades. For me it brings up feelings of sadness at the sheer SPINELESSNESS of long-term TMers. They are still defending the TM is not a religion meme WHILE attending TMO-sponsored yagyas that make offerings to *specific* Hindu deities. IMO it's *just fine* to believe in a bunch of gods and goddesses and to believe that they are so petty and vain that they would be swayed into bestowing favors on humans stupid enough to offer them rice and ghee. It's superstition, but hey! *lots* of people on this rock are superstitious. Jews believe in a God who is an old man with a hoary white beard dispensing punishment to people who do horrible things like using the same kitchen to prepare meat and milk dishes. Catholics believe not only in a big male God with a hoary beard, but that he has by his side his son, whom God killed savagely for their sins, and whose blood and flesh they symbol- ically consume every Sunday in church. But these people are at least HONEST about their religious beliefs and practices. TMers attend these yagyas, pray to Hindu gods and goddesses and try to bribe them into bestowing favors on them, and then go out and give an intro lecture or talk to a school system and tell them with a straight face that the TMO is promoting no religious practices. Not only is this hypocritical to the max, it is cowardly and spineless. It's *OK* to believe in supernatural beings; what's less OK is to believe in them and lie about it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Passing Health-Care Reform Could Change Political Landscape
TurquoiseB wrote: It's as if I'm watching a country that has collectively LOST ITS FUCKING MIND... Maybe you're comparing apples to oranges. Barry lives in Spain where immigrant health care is a big issue, as it is all over Europe. From what I've read, there's an enormous backlash against providing illegal immigrants with free health care. Maybe Barry should tell us more about his health care insurance plan, if he has one. Apparently almost every country that has socialized medicine in Europe has soem form of 'death panels'. It could be that Barry doesn't know this, but if so, he wouldn't be very much prepared to understand the system of insurance in the U.S.A. Yup, if you are insured and live in the right community. El Paso Texas vs. McAllen Texas. Is it a fact that U.S. citizens living in McAllen, Texas have sub-standard levels of health care or need health care insurance reform? None of the reforms going through congress guarantee free health care for illegal immigrants in McAllen or El Paso or anywhere else. But it's a fact that a large number of illegal immigrants get real good care in the McAllen emergency room, all paid for by U.S. taxpayers. It's probably the responsibility of the Mexican government to care for their own people. I don't know how Barry is able to get on the Spanish health care system making all the money he supposedly earns. Medicare has to get control over drug costs and be allowed to bargain on drug prices... The last time I checked, Obama and many Dems were opposed to discount medications being available in the U.S., It's illegal for individuals to import discount drugs into the U.S. from other countries.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Truthers and Birthers
I've never seen the original because it obviously doesn't exist R.D. wrote: I have no idea what he's hiding or why, but whatever it is, IMO he was born in the USA and not Kenya... Apparently some of Obama's Kenyan relatives have stated, under oath, that they were present at Obama's birth in Kenya. Go figure. So, it's not really 'crazy' to ask where Obama was was really born. Read more: 'How Crazy are those Birthers?' http://tinyurl.com/yfsqgb7
[FairfieldLife] Re: Gallup: Hillary Clinton Now More Popular Than Barack Obama
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of raunchydog Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 12:13 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Gallup: Hillary Clinton Now More Popular Than Barack Obama Hillary Clinton lost the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination to Barack Obama, but in one respect she now ranks ahead of Obama. The president's current favorable rating of 56% is down 22 percentage points since January. Over the same time span, Clinton's favorable rating has changed little, and now, at 62%, it exceeds Obama's. Probably because Obama has been on the firing line and Hillary has been more in the background. If she had become President and Obama had become Secretary of State, her popularity would have tanked and his would be much higher. Don't be so sure. Perhaps it's comforting for Obots to think Hillary's approval would have tanked had she been president, because they can't believe anyone could possibly like her. But, we'll never know. The other day Hillary said that had she won the presidency she would have asked Obama to serve in her cabinet. I doubt she would have chosen him for Secretary of State. Such a position requires work not window dressing. Let's face it, the reason Hillary has a higher favorability rating compared to Obama is that people see her as the workhorse and Obama as the show pony.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Truthers and Birthers
Even though we all watched in shock, as hijacked planes flew into the twin towers, the Pentagon and a Pennsylvania field, these folks imagined that someone in Washington DC might have blown up those buildings instead... So, what's up with the 'Truthers'? Are they 'crazy' or what? We already know that the 'Birthers' are crazy for asking where Obama was born. If so, then the 'Truthers' must be totally insane! Read more: 'Debunking 9/11 Myths' Popular Mechanics, March 2005 http://tinyurl.com/5ec4a 'How Crazy are those Birthers?' http://tinyurl.com/yfsqgb7
[FairfieldLife] Re: Passing Health-Care Reform Could Change Political Landscape
TurquoiseB wrote: Good luck. It's one of the most pressing issues of our time, or any time. As someone once said (wasn't it...uh...Jeeezus?), Ye shall know them by how they treat the least among them. The United States of America seems to want not only the least among its citizens to just die quietly, quickly, and inexpensively, it helps them to do so. We'll see how 'the least of them' are treated when the H1N1 virus breaks out in European jails and hospitals. Barry has his 'antibiotics' stash, so he's got some protection, but what about all the others? My guess is that the U.S. is going to be much more prepared for the 'Swine Flu' epidemic than most other countries are. I'd say that the countries with poor socialist economies and socialized medicine are going to take a very big hit, in the millions. You might even see anarchy in Europe because of high job unemployment, flu epidemics, and violence from illegal immigrants and jihadists. There are no secure borders in Europe.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gallup: Hillary Clinton Now More Popular Than Barack Obama
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of raunchydog Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 8:57 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gallup: Hillary Clinton Now More Popular Than Barack Obama --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of raunchydog Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 12:13 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Gallup: Hillary Clinton Now More Popular Than Barack Obama Hillary Clinton lost the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination to Barack Obama, but in one respect she now ranks ahead of Obama. The president's current favorable rating of 56% is down 22 percentage points since January. Over the same time span, Clinton's favorable rating has changed little, and now, at 62%, it exceeds Obama's. Probably because Obama has been on the firing line and Hillary has been more in the background. If she had become President and Obama had become Secretary of State, her popularity would have tanked and his would be much higher. Don't be so sure. Perhaps it's comforting for Obots to think Hillary's approval would have tanked had she been president, because they can't believe anyone could possibly like her. But, we'll never know. The other day Hillary said that had she won the presidency she would have asked Obama to serve in her cabinet. I doubt she would have chosen him for Secretary of State. Such a position requires work not window dressing. Let's face it, the reason Hillary has a higher favorability rating compared to Obama is that people see her as the workhorse and Obama as the show pony. In your dreams. Hillary has always attracted criticism like a lightening rod, and she would be getting ripped to shreds as president. She's just not in a position now to attract much criticism. She's not making controversial decisions and is largely out of the public eye. Your comment above implies that Obama is not working hard. I'll bet you would take a week to recover from having to live through one of his days.
[FairfieldLife] TM is not a religion (was Re: times of upcoming Pujas in Meru)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero wrote: Of course the TM Puja is religious!! How ridiculous and disingenuous to say otherwise. yifuxero, if you don't mind my asking, what is your basis for saying the puja is religious? I mean, do you see gods when you sing the puja, or something?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Afghan War is a Quagmire for the US
But, you really didn't answer my question, Hugo. If NATO can't win a war in Afghanistan, how could they win a regional war in Europe? Hugo wrote: It would depend on what the war was about and who they were fighting. Let's say that al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden had training camps in Afghanistan and they sent out suicide bombers to destroy the Houses of Parliament and Fleet Street with a nuclear device. I wonder how NATO would win a war against the terrorists in Europe, when it can't win a war now in Afghanistan? The Afghan war continues even though all of it's original justifications have disappeared, capture of Bin Laden, erradication of opium trade, establishment of womens rights, establishment of democracy- this last is a particularly sad joke, all those people dead to defend a corrupt farce like the recent election. No wonder no-one has ever defeated the Afghans the only reason we are still there is to prevent losing face. I'm sure we'll bow out sooner rather than later We? You mean that the EU would withdraw from NATO and leave the U.S. to win the war in Afghanistan? Or, that the U.S. would opt out of NATO and let the EU lose the war? and the world will continue on it's path. You can't wage war on ideas, you could kill all Islamists but others will take their place simply because of the effrontery of a bunch of westeners enforcing their way of life where it doesn't belong. The endless war indeed. So, you're thinking that the U.S. should pull all it's forces out of NATO and out of Europe because NATO can't win the war against the terrorists; that winning the war is an 'effrontery' to the radical Islamic fundamentalists. Go figure. If the U.S. were to pull out of Afghanistan, then the U.S. would be withdrawing from NATO agreements. At that point, Europe would probably be helpless from a foreign attack, since everyone knows that the U.S. pays for over half of NATO expenses. If the U.S. withdraws troops from Afghanistan, why not withdraw all U.S. forces from Europe? The September 11 attacks caused NATO to invoke Article 5 of the NATO Charter for the first time in its history. The Article says that an attack on any member shall be considered to be an attack on all... NATO: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO#Membership
[FairfieldLife] Re: Gallup: Hillary Clinton Now More Popular Than Barack Obama
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of raunchydog Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 12:13 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Gallup: Hillary Clinton Now More Popular Than Barack Obama Hillary Clinton lost the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination to Barack Obama, but in one respect she now ranks ahead of Obama. The president's current favorable rating of 56% is down 22 percentage points since January. Over the same time span, Clinton's favorable rating has changed little, and now, at 62%, it exceeds Obama's. Probably because Obama has been on the firing line and Hillary has been more in the background. If she had become President and Obama had become Secretary of State, her popularity would have tanked and his would be much higher. Don't be so sure. Perhaps it's comforting for Obots to think Hillary's approval would have tanked had she been president, because they can't believe anyone could possibly like her. But, we'll never know. The other day Hillary said that had she won the presidency she would have asked Obama to serve in her cabinet. I doubt she would have chosen him for Secretary of State. Such a position requires work not window dressing. Let's face it, the reason Hillary has a higher favorability rating compared to Obama is that people see her as the workhorse and Obama as the show pony. Bananas. Michelle Obama has higher approval ratings than Hillary. It means nothing however, because they have completely different specific roles - just like your bogus comparison of Hillary with Barack.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Passing Health-Care Reform Could Change Political Landscape
On Oct 16, 2009, at 10:30 AM, WillyTex wrote: You might even see anarchy in Europe because of high job unemployment, flu epidemics, and violence from illegal immigrants and jihadists. There are no secure borders in Europe. Or Texas LOL. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Gallup: Hillary Clinton Now More Popular Than Barack Obama
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of raunchydog Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 8:57 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gallup: Hillary Clinton Now More Popular Than Barack Obama --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of raunchydog Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 12:13 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Gallup: Hillary Clinton Now More Popular Than Barack Obama Hillary Clinton lost the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination to Barack Obama, but in one respect she now ranks ahead of Obama. The president's current favorable rating of 56% is down 22 percentage points since January. Over the same time span, Clinton's favorable rating has changed little, and now, at 62%, it exceeds Obama's. Probably because Obama has been on the firing line and Hillary has been more in the background. If she had become President and Obama had become Secretary of State, her popularity would have tanked and his would be much higher. Don't be so sure. Perhaps it's comforting for Obots to think Hillary's approval would have tanked had she been president, because they can't believe anyone could possibly like her. But, we'll never know. The other day Hillary said that had she won the presidency she would have asked Obama to serve in her cabinet. I doubt she would have chosen him for Secretary of State. Such a position requires work not window dressing. Let's face it, the reason Hillary has a higher favorability rating compared to Obama is that people see her as the workhorse and Obama as the show pony. In your dreams. Hillary has always attracted criticism like a lightening rod, and she would be getting ripped to shreds as president. She's just not in a position now to attract much criticism. She's not making controversial decisions and is largely out of the public eye. Your comment above implies that Obama is not working hard. I'll bet you would take a week to recover from having to live through one of his days. Rick, raunchy is advocating HIllary's abilities, not her own. Contrasting HIllary's approval ratings with Obama's is an irrelevant exercise, except to salve the perpetually open-wounds of Hillary supporters. The idea that Hillary is still publicly commenting on how she would have dealt with Obama had she won says so much about Hillary's continuing sense of entitlement. Hillary's performance and high approval ratings as Obama's Sec. of State is aided by Obama's outstanding level of support internationally. Obama's handling of Hillary has been, and continues to be masterful.
[FairfieldLife] YouTube - Barack Obama celebrates Diwali in White House
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsJUy_ZMYuY
[FairfieldLife] Re: Afghan War is a Quagmire for the US
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: But, you really didn't answer my question, Hugo. If NATO can't win a war in Afghanistan, how could they win a regional war in Europe? Hugo wrote: It would depend on what the war was about and who they were fighting. Let's say that al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden had training camps in Afghanistan and they sent out suicide bombers to destroy the Houses of Parliament and Fleet Street with a nuclear device. That wouldn't be a regional war in Europe. That would be the sort of thing they are/were doing. Thing is al quaeda are trying to do it from elsewhere now that they can't function in Afghanistan. I wonder how NATO would win a war against the terrorists in Europe, when it can't win a war now in Afghanistan? Almost easier to win in Europe because it involves more targetted surveilance then arresting the suspects. Whereas in Afghanistan everyone seems to have forgotten what they are fighting for, is it to capture al queada, establish a democracy, end the opium trade? whichever way you look at it it isn't going well. The Afghan war continues even though all of it's original justifications have disappeared, capture of Bin Laden, erradication of opium trade, establishment of womens rights, establishment of democracy- this last is a particularly sad joke, all those people dead to defend a corrupt farce like the recent election. No wonder no-one has ever defeated the Afghans the only reason we are still there is to prevent losing face. I'm sure we'll bow out sooner rather than later We? You mean that the EU would withdraw from NATO and leave the U.S. to win the war in Afghanistan? Or, that the U.S. would opt out of NATO and let the EU lose the war? Neither, I mean both UK and US will pull out of Afghanistan before much longer. and the world will continue on it's path. You can't wage war on ideas, you could kill all Islamists but others will take their place simply because of the effrontery of a bunch of westeners enforcing their way of life where it doesn't belong. The endless war indeed. So, you're thinking that the U.S. should pull all it's forces out of NATO and out of Europe because NATO can't win the war against the terrorists; that winning the war is an 'effrontery' to the radical Islamic fundamentalists. Invading Islamic countries is the effrontery that drives so many to the cause of removing the crusaders. I think US UK will pull out soon because they can't win if they haven't really defined what win means in this situation.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gallup: Hillary Clinton Now More Popular Than Barack Obama
On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 10:19 AM, mainstream20016 mainstream20...@yahoo.com wrote: Rick, raunchy is advocating HIllary's abilities, not her own. Contrasting HIllary's approval ratings with Obama's is an irrelevant exercise, except to salve the perpetually open-wounds of Hillary supporters. The idea that Hillary is still publicly commenting on how she would have dealt with Obama had she won says so much about Hillary's continuing sense of entitlement. Hillary's performance and high approval ratings as Obama's Sec. of State is aided by Obama's outstanding level of support internationally. Obama's handling of Hillary has been, and continues to be masterful. Indeed deserving or not, Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize. Hilary didn't win it. If Hilary were such hot shit, the Nobel committee would have awarded her the prize, IMO. I agree that this is more of the Obama stole the nomination from Hilary. More of the Hilary as entitled to be president of the United States. Remember before Hilary was selected as Secretary of State, we thought of how best to declaw the Arkansas Hillbillies? Appoint Hilary to a cabinet position, making her Obama's minion. Well, that's what he did. Lincoln appointed his enemies to cabinet posts, ostensibly to get the most diverse point of view and put the best and the brightest in office. It also declawed them, as they now had to do what Lincoln said and weren't independent to speak against him.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: I voted no
So what is Hatch's solution? He doesn't seem to have one does he? He just squeals like pig. A capitalist pig. He probably wants Wall Street to run everything. wle...@aol.com wrote: -Original Message- From: Orrin Hatch or...@hatchforsenate.com To: William Leed wle...@aol.com Sent: Thu, Oct 15, 2009 3:14 pm Subject: I voted no William -- More spending... more government... more taxes... un-constitutional... mis-guided... rushed... unpopular... $1 trillion... Those are just a few of the phrases that describe the health care bill I voted against Tuesday. Unfortunately, despite the fact that only 34%* of Americans support the Democrats' headlong rush toward this government takeover of our heath care, President Obama and his liberal allies are doubling-down in their efforts to impose this bill on us. Will you help me stop the government takeover of our health care? Let me be clear, what the Democrats are trying to jam down our throats is government control of our lives... ... through higher taxes, more government spending, federal government bureaucrats controlling our health care decisions and unconstitutional mandates enforced by the IRS. I need your help to fight back! To make matters worse, a study released Monday by PricewaterhouseCoopers found that the typical American family could pay $4,000 more for health insurance in 2019 if the Democrats' health care bill is enacted -- meaning that the average family would pay $25,900 per year for insurance under the plan. With Democrat leaders promising to force this so-called reform through Congress as soon as next week, we need to have the resources on hand to get the facts out about President Obama's health care agenda. Please donate $25, $50, $100 or even $250 today to stop this government takeover. Thank you for making your voice heard in this important debate. Sincerely, Senator Orrin Hatch P.S. I need you to step up and fight back against President Obama's plan to take over our health care. Please contribute $25 today. *Pew Research Center (9/30-10/4/2009; 1,500 adults, +/- 3% margin of error) Link Website | Donate Paid for by Hatch Election Committee Inc. 175 S. West Temple, Suite 650 | Salt Lake City, UT 84101 This email was sent to: wle...@aol.com Privacy Policy | Unsubscribe
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Movie Review: (500) Days Of Summer
TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifux...@... wrote: Me too, loved it; although I like most movies. There's even a 1% chance that Zooey is a TMer, so this isn't a total non-sequitur on this forum. :-) Her father Caleb Deschanel (Academy Award-winning cinematographer) was active in the LA TM center back when I was teaching there. So if the drop out statistics that Curtis and others have reported here (in their experience, when calling mailing lists of TMers, 90% had quit) are true, then there is a 10% chance that he would have passed it along to his kids, and another 10% chance she would have kept meditating. I think that's how the math works. :-) But whatever she is, she's cute as a button... I always featured her cast in a completely different kind of role as a serial killer. She would look very unsuspecting. I bet she would like the challenge too.
Re: [FairfieldLife] TM is not a religion (was Re: times of upcoming Pujas in Meru)
Uh, maybe because it is Diwali? All they are doing is some traditional pujas that many Indians perform at this time. Maharishi was not good at teaching these traditions or protocols. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diwali My teacher told me to get some clay pots for oil lamps. Fortunately the local Indian grocery was selling them. I already had some red candles from a previous Diwali. dhamiltony2k5 wrote: Om, thanks for the clarification. What part of the official Ttranscendental Meditation movement is behind scheduling these things? Maharishi University of Management, The David Lynch Foundation, The Indian TM movement, The TM Global Country with its Rajas, Raja Emmanuel and Bevan? John Hagelin? JGD, -D in FF --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: For lurkers who may not be familiar with the non-religious names and terms used in this announcement: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, michael vedamerlin@ wrote: Betreff: time of upcoming Pujas in Holland Pūj� (Devanagari http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devanagari : पूजा) (alternative transliteration http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transliteration Pooja http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pooja , Sanskrit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanskrit : reverence http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverence , honour http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honour , adoration http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adoration , or worship http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worship ) is a ceremony of gratitude or a religious http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion ritual http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ritual performed as an offering to various deities, distinguished persons, or special guests. It is done on a variety of occasions and settings, from daily puja done in the home, to temple ceremonies and large festivals, or to begin a new venture. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puja_%28Hinduism%29#cite_note-Gale-0 Puja is modeled on the idea of giving a gift or offering to a deity or important person and receiving their blessing. - Wikipedia Here are the likely starting times (Holland time) of Rashtra Geet at the beginning of the upcoming grand global Pujas: 15 October, Dhanvantari Puja: 13:30h Dhanvantari (incarnation of the Hindu god Vishnu -- It is common practice in Hinduism for worshipers to pray to Lord Dhanvantari seeking his blessings for sound health for themselves and/or others. - Wikipedia): [http://deshika.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/dhanvantari3.gif] 16 October, Hanuman Puja: 14:00h Hanuman (personification of bhakti http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhakti [devotion to God] in Hinduism): [http://9dozen.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/hanuman12.jpg] 17 October, Mahalakshmi Puja: 15:50h Lakshmi (Hindu http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu goddess http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goddess of wealth http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth , prosperity, wisdom, fortune): [http://www.samhainmoon.com/uploaded_images/lakshmi-769689.jpg] Jai Guru Dev To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:fairfieldlife-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: fairfieldlife-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Passing Health-Care Reform Could Change Political Landscape
TurquoiseB wrote: Good luck. It's one of the most pressing issues of our time, or any time. As someone once said (wasn't it...uh...Jeeezus?), Ye shall know them by how they treat the least among them. The United States of America seems to want not only the least among its citizens to just die quietly, quickly, and inexpensively, it helps them to do so. And soon too so they can bulldoze the least apartments and houses to build their new castles.
[FairfieldLife] TM is not a religion (was Re: times of upcoming Pujas in Meru)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jpgillam jpgil...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero wrote: Of course the TM Puja is religious!! How ridiculous and disingenuous to say otherwise. yifuxero, if you don't mind my asking, what is your basis for saying the puja is religious? The word puja itself means worship. Do you know the actual translation of the TM puja, jpgillam? Here are a few examples from the text: To the glory of the Lord I bow down again and again, at whose door the whole galaxy of gods pray for perfection day and night. White as camphor, the incarnation of kindness, the essence of creation garlanded by the Serpent-King. Ever dwelling in the lotus of my heart, LORD SHIVA WITH MOTHER DIVINE to him I bow down. GURU in the glory of BRAHMA, GURU in the glory of VISHNU, GURU in the glory of the great LORD SHIVA, GURU in the glory of the personified transcendental fullness of BRAHMAN, to Him, to SHRI GURU DEV adorned with glory, I bow down. - - No rational, honest person can say that the above isn't religious. I mean, do you see gods when you sing the puja, or something? Some TM teachers indeed say that they have. I have directly perceived Guru Dev during the TM puja.
[FairfieldLife] Colin Powell Warned of a Terror Industrial Complex.
So much of what the TSA and DHS does is useless security theater to keep the public frightened so they are willing to give up their rights. Seems that filmmaker Terry Gilliam on Keith Olbermann's show pointed out that Colin Powell had warned of a terror industrial complex in a speech at the University of Oklahoma back in 2007. What is the greatest threat facing us now? Powell asked. People will say it’s terrorism. But are there any terrorists in the world who can change the American way of life or our political system? No. ... The only thing that can really destroy us is us. We shouldn’t do it to ourselves, and we shouldn’t use fear for political purposes—scaring people to death so they will vote for you, or scaring people to death so that we create a terror-industrial complex. More here: http://rawstory.com/2009/10/powell-warned-of-terror-industrial-complex/ To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:fairfieldlife-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: fairfieldlife-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Movie Review: (500) Days Of Summer
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifuxero@ wrote: Me too, loved it; although I like most movies. There's even a 1% chance that Zooey is a TMer, so this isn't a total non-sequitur on this forum. :-) Her father Caleb Deschanel (Academy Award-winning cinematographer) was active in the LA TM center back when I was teaching there. So if the drop out statistics that Curtis and others have reported here (in their experience, when calling mailing lists of TMers, 90% had quit) are true, then there is a 10% chance that he would have passed it along to his kids, and another 10% chance she would have kept meditating. I think that's how the math works. :-) But whatever she is, she's cute as a button... I always featured her cast in a completely different kind of role as a serial killer. She would look very unsuspecting. I bet she would like the challenge too. I think so, too. I looked her up in the IMDB and was surprised to find that at age 28 she has been in 39 movies or TV shows. To be honest, the only character I remember is Trillian in the movie version of The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy, but I certainly remember her from that. Her next movie is a fantasy, but she plays a char- acter named Belladonna, so maybe you'll get your wish. :-)
[FairfieldLife] TM is not a religion (was Re: times of upcoming Pujas in Meru)
You're allowed to drink coffee in FF now? The horror! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony...@... wrote: Nablusoss, someone was telling me this morning in a line in FF while waiting for coffee that Tony Nadar recently gave an excellent lecture explaining the science of the devata nature. Said it was a very good talk. Demystifying. Is that linked on the global family chats? Or somewhere? Just wondering. JGD, Doug in FF --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: These sound like scientific procedures to me! Are they from a book on Quantum Physics? Chuckle. It's a source of endless amusement to me that the TMO insist that its use of Hindu deities in rituals is something to do with them being aspects of natural law. I'm not sure I'm amused by it after four decades. For me it brings up feelings of sadness at the sheer SPINELESSNESS of long-term TMers. They are still defending the TM is not a religion meme WHILE attending TMO-sponsored yagyas that make offerings to *specific* Hindu deities. IMO it's *just fine* to believe in a bunch of gods and goddesses and to believe that they are so petty and vain that they would be swayed into bestowing favors on humans stupid enough to offer them rice and ghee. It's superstition, but hey! *lots* of people on this rock are superstitious. Jews believe in a God who is an old man with a hoary white beard dispensing punishment to people who do horrible things like using the same kitchen to prepare meat and milk dishes. Catholics believe not only in a big male God with a hoary beard, but that he has by his side his son, whom God killed savagely for their sins, and whose blood and flesh they symbol- ically consume every Sunday in church. But these people are at least HONEST about their religious beliefs and practices. TMers attend these yagyas, pray to Hindu gods and goddesses and try to bribe them into bestowing favors on them, and then go out and give an intro lecture or talk to a school system and tell them with a straight face that the TMO is promoting no religious practices. Not only is this hypocritical to the max, it is cowardly and spineless. It's *OK* to believe in supernatural beings; what's less OK is to believe in them and lie about it.
[FairfieldLife] TM is not a religion (was Re: times of upcoming Pujas in Meru)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jpgillam jpgil...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero wrote: Of course the TM Puja is religious!! How ridiculous and disingenuous to say otherwise. yifuxero, if you don't mind my asking, what is your basis for saying the puja is religious? I mean, do you see gods when you sing the puja, or something? The word puja itself means worship. Do you know the actual translation of the TM puja, jpgillam? Here are a few examples from the text: To the glory of the Lord I bow down again and again, at whose door the whole galaxy of gods pray for perfection day and night. White as camphor, the incarnation of kindness, the essence of creation garlanded by the Serpent-King. Ever dwelling in the lotus of my heart, LORD SHIVA WITH MOTHER DIVINE to him I bow down. GURU in the glory of BRAHMA, GURU in the glory of VISHNU, GURU in the glory of the great LORD SHIVA, GURU in the glory of the personified transcendental fullness of BRAHMAN, to Him, to SHRI GURU DEV adorned with glory, I bow down. - - No rational, honest person can say that the above isn't religious. I mean, do you see gods when you sing the puja, or something? Some TM teachers indeed say that they have. I have directly perceived Guru Dev during the TM puja.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Gallup: Hillary Clinton Now More Popular Than Barack Obama
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 mainstream20...@... wrote: Rick, raunchy is advocating HIllary's abilities, not her own. Contrasting HIllary's approval ratings with Obama's is an irrelevant exercise, except to salve the perpetually open-wounds of Hillary supporters. Apparently the folks at Gallup think contrasting Hillary's approval with Obama's IS relevant or they would not have taken the poll. It's interesting how agitated the Obots on FFLife become whenever I post ANYTHING that puts Hillary in a favorable light. Their knee-jerk need to smack her down at every turn boarders on a clinical phobia of all things Hillary. Why is it so difficult to admit that people actually like her? The idea that Hillary is still publicly commenting on how she would have dealt with Obama had she won says so much about Hillary's continuing sense of entitlement. In ABC News' Cynthia McFadden's interview with Hillary in Moscow, Oct. 14, 2009 Cynthia ASKED if Hillary would have picked Obama to serve as a member of her cabinet. Sorry, to break the news to you but your Hillary's entitlement meme falls apart. Here's the transcript: http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/International/transcript-hillary-clinton-interview/story?id=8826956 Hillary's performance and high approval ratings as Obama's Sec. of State is aided by Obama's outstanding level of support internationally. Obama's handling of Hillary has been, and continues to be masterful. Hillary's approval rating was based on polling Americans and has nothing to do with Obama's support internationally. What do you mean by handling Hillary? Is she so wild, powerful and deceptive that she must be controlled by Obama? What the hell are you talking about?
[FairfieldLife] TM is not a religion (was Re: times of upcoming Pujas in Meru)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony...@... wrote: Nablusoss, someone was telling me this morning in a line in FF while waiting for coffee that Tony Nadar recently gave an excellent lecture explaining the science of the devata nature. Said it was a very good talk. Demystifying. Is that linked on the global family chats? Or somewhere? Just wondering. JGD, Doug in FF Don't know Doug, stay posted to Global Family Chat: October 14th http://streaming.mou.org/MOU/Chat/14_oct_09.wmv Raja Paul introduced Dr Albert Baruh who reported on developments in Turkey, and Dr Theodore Pazanis reported on progress towards invincibility in Cyprus. Raja Bruce introduced Drs Alain and Marie Courvoisier who gave a beautiful presentation on their recent visit to Seychelles, outlining the progress towards starting projects in schools and the prison, with the support of local meditators. October 13th http://streaming.mou.org/MOU/Chat/13_oct_09.wmv Dr Bobby Roth updated on the success of the distinguished lecturer series, the programme to create 10,000 young TM teachers in the next 10 years, David Lynch's forthcoming trip to India, and the book 'Transcendence ' by Dr Norman Rosenthal. Raja Luis explained the parental approach of the Brazilian government outlining the tradition of TM teaching; the possibilities for large-scale Vastu construction; and very large conference soon to be held by Fr Gabriel Mejia on elimination of violence.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Article for John (jr_esq)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: This post is non-sequitur. I'm sorry you were unable to follow the train of thought, John, but the fact that *you* were unable to follow it does not make it not follow (the definition of a non-sequitur). You post supposedly scientific articles to support your often-stated-on-this-forum belief that the Vedic literature is not only true but truth. So I thought you'd appreciate a link to an article that allows you to do that with the descriptions in that literature of Krishna as having blue skin. As indicated in an earlier post, I was presenting a scientific theory by a physicist from Stanford Univerdity. A YouTube link was provided for everyone to see and confirm the ideas being presented in the lecture. I did not discuss any references to the vedic literature. But you may clarify your beliefs if you want. Did Krishna really have blue skin? Did such a being as Krishna ever really exist? Did the events described in the Bhagavad-Gita ever really take place? If you believe he existed, was Krishna really able to multiply himself and his...uh...flute sufficiently to sexually sat- isfy dozens of gopis (milkmaids) at once? Did he (as stated in the Bhagavata Purana, really marry 16,108 wives? (That's one heckuva flute the guy had if this is all true.) I'm not going to discuss any theological discussion about the validity of Krishna as an historical figure. This is not the forum for this topic. If you are interested in these, you should read the Srimad Bhagavatam which discusses all of the points you asked. I was poking fun at your tendency to state in many posts that you believe that the Vedic literature is not only true but cosmic truth and imply that if science disagrees with it that it's science that's wrong (or that it hasn't caught up to the cosmic knowledge expressed in the Vedas yet), and then later claim that posting a precis of a science article that just accidentally happens to use the same language to describe the birth/death of the universe that the Vedic literature uses doesn't represent your beliefs and wasn't intended to prove those beliefs. To repeat once again, the posting has nothing to do vedic literature. As indicated in the lecture, Dr. Susskind was presenting a challenge to other physicists about their own theories relating to the creation of the universe. I think you'd like to have it both ways, John. You'd like to be a fundamentalist believer in the Vedas but not be perceived as a fundament- alist. Could you follow the logic in *that* sentence? You missed the whole point, Barry. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Since you like these confirmation bias articles, John, here's one that proves that Krishna could have existed just as described in the Vedic literature. :-) http://www.hair-n-skin-care.com/skin-conditions-and-diseases/blue-skin-disorder.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Article for John (jr_esq)
On Oct 16, 2009, at 5:17 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sallysunshine01 salsunshine@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: In this post Barry provides hard evidence for what I suggested yesterday in a comment to John: And in this post Judy provides hard evidence --once again--that not only is she totally obsessed with Barry, but that she can't restrain herself from using up many if not most of her weekly posts on this obsession. Another week, another early 'post out' by the perpetual stalker and disgustingly mean-spiritied authors.nag. 'Obsessed and bitter is, as obsessed and bitter does.' [W/apologies to Forest Gump] Thanks for noticing, and commenting, but there's really nothing I or you or seemingly anyone else can do about this stalking thang except to prac- tice Message View FFL reading: 1. See the dogshit. 2. Step around the dogshit See Judy. See Judy come back, swinging. See most people ignore Judy. See Judy keep swinging. See Judy post out early, yet again, having used up most of her posts on attacks. Bye Judy. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Obama celebrates Diwali!
HAPPY DIWALI! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsJUy_ZMYuYhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsJUy_ZMYuY Lokah Samastah Sukhino Bhavantu ~ May All Beings Be Happy
[FairfieldLife] Re: Article for John (jr_esq)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: But you may clarify your beliefs if you want. Did Krishna really have blue skin? Did such a being as Krishna ever really exist? Did the events described in the Bhagavad-Gita ever really take place? If you believe he existed, was Krishna really able to multiply himself and his...uh...flute sufficiently to sexually sat- isfy dozens of gopis (milkmaids) at once? Did he (as stated in the Bhagavata Purana, really marry 16,108 wives? (That's one heckuva flute the guy had if this is all true.) I'm not going to discuss any theological discussion about the validity of Krishna as an historical figure. This is not the forum for this topic. Why not? Which forum is? Could it possibly be one on which everyone is already programmed to agree with you? John, all I'm getting at is that you really do give the impression that you believe that the Vedic literature is not only true, but truth incarnate. (If only we could understand it as it should be understood.) You may claim that you *don't* believe this, but look at what you say below: If you are interested in these, you should read the Srimad Bhagavatam which discusses all of the points you asked. So you're saying that the definitive text that answers the questions I asked above is this scripture, so you don't have to answer? I rest my case. As I suggested in another post today, it's *OK* to believe in things like gods and goddesses and guys with blue skin. What is a little less OK in my book is to believe in those things and be afraid to admit it.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gallup: Hillary Clinton Now More Popular Than Barack Obama
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of raunchydog Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 11:53 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gallup: Hillary Clinton Now More Popular Than Barack Obama --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , mainstream20016 mainstream20...@... wrote: Rick, raunchy is advocating HIllary's abilities, not her own. Contrasting HIllary's approval ratings with Obama's is an irrelevant exercise, except to salve the perpetually open-wounds of Hillary supporters. Apparently the folks at Gallup think contrasting Hillary's approval with Obama's IS relevant or they would not have taken the poll. It's interesting how agitated the Obots on FFLife become whenever I post ANYTHING that puts Hillary in a favorable light. Their knee-jerk need to smack her down at every turn boarders on a clinical phobia of all things Hillary. Why is it so difficult to admit that people actually like her? I like her. I'm just trying to cast a realistic light on the poll, which seems meaningless for reasons I and others mentioned. She seems to be doing a good job as Secretary of State. She'd be facing a constant firestorm of criticism if she were president, and her poll numbers would be way below what they are now.
[FairfieldLife] TM is not a religion (was Re: times of upcoming Pujas in Meru)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, pranamoocher bh...@... wrote: You're allowed to drink coffee in FF now? The horror! I think you must have Fairfield confused with Salt Lake City.
[FairfieldLife] MUM professor calls Victor Stenger’s Quantum Gods: Mistaken, Misinformed and Misleading
MUM physics professor David Scharf will be speaking at the Science and Nonduality new age conference in California. David Scharf, Pseudoscience and Victor Stenger’s Quantum Gods: Mistaken, Misinformed and Misleading (Physics, Maharishi University of Management) Quantum spirituality—the idea that some aspect of consciousness plays a fundamental role in the universe and that advanced physics should be interpreted as having to some extent already incorporated this principle—has had distinguished representation among both physicists and philosophers. It has generated an upsurge of grassroots enthusiasm because of the widespread sense that science and spirituality, rather than being fundamentally separate or even opposed, are in fact deeply connected and mutually reinforcing. Victor Stenger’s purpose in writing Quantum Gods: Creation, Chaos, and the Search for Cosmic Consciousness is to “debunk” this idea—but attention to the details shows that it is actually Stenger’s arguments that need the debunking. Stenger—a retired physicist who is leveraging his scientific background to try to discredit anything and everything that smacks of spirituality—doesn’t respect his intellectual opponents enough to get their positions right; in some instances he appears to deliberately misrepresent their views; and, most important, his own reasoning is characterized by unremitting carelessness. Moreover, there is a method to his carelessness—it enables him to systematically avoid addressing the tough arguments of his opponents. Hence we find him frequently setting up a straw man by misrepresenting the debate as a simple matter of science and reason versus superstition. Once having defined this as the issue, all he needs to do is assume the attitude of an outraged scientist and heap on the ridicule. But if he had done his homework and gotten his opponents’ positions right, he would have discovered that it is harder to dismiss quantum spirituality than he had imagined. Indeed, the more carefully—and yes, critically—one considers the relevant issues, the more one finds that quantum spirituality is founded on intelligent and plausible ideas, and eminently worthy of serious consideration.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Gallup: Hillary Clinton Now More Popular Than Barack Obama
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 mainstream20016@ wrote: Rick, raunchy is advocating HIllary's abilities, not her own. Contrasting HIllary's approval ratings with Obama's is an irrelevant exercise, except to salve the perpetually open-wounds of Hillary supporters. Apparently the folks at Gallup think contrasting Hillary's approval with Obama's IS relevant or they would not have taken the poll. It's interesting how agitated the Obots on FFLife become whenever I post ANYTHING that puts Hillary in a favorable light. Their knee-jerk need to smack her down at every turn boarders on a clinical phobia of all things Hillary. Why is it so difficult to admit that people actually like her? Because the favorable-to-Hillary posts sound like we're listening to the Jaimini Sutras: On the Other Hand. followed by a put-down of Obama. Got it ??? The idea that Hillary is still publicly commenting on how she would have dealt with Obama had she won says so much about Hillary's continuing sense of entitlement. In ABC News' Cynthia McFadden's interview with Hillary in Moscow, Oct. 14, 2009 Cynthia ASKED if Hillary would have picked Obama to serve as a member of her cabinet. Sorry, to break the news to you but your Hillary's entitlement meme falls apart. Here's the transcript: http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/International/transcript-hillary-clinton-interview/story?id=8826956 Hillary's performance and high approval ratings as Obama's Sec. of State is aided by Obama's outstanding level of support internationally. Obama's handling of Hillary has been, and continues to be masterful. Hillary's approval rating was based on polling Americans and has nothing to do with Obama's support internationally. What do you mean by handling Hillary? Is she so wild, powerful and deceptive that she must be controlled by Obama? What the hell are you talking about? from FFL #158920 (and YouTube): See the most memorable one-liner of the campaign. Barak Obama put Hillary in his rear-view mirror with this one. Hillary got what she had coming. This is from the Dec. 13th (2007)debate in Des Moines. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhPxSm9Es0wfeature=related
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stop with the friggin' om business, will you?
*plink**plink* (puts in 2 cents) I'm all for more words of love peace unity tranquility I think Om fits this criteria I think it is good for the mind to be thinking in kind to all sprits and physical life Om jogs the mind to remember this, no? Or arrests the body to remember higher things nobler things gives honor I m sorry it is poking you perhaps look along the stem of the word, so to say, and see the bloom, the blossum, the Rose at the end of that thorn you have been irritated by Just sayin' Om ..(*snicker*) For Real tho! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: Shemp McGurk wrote: Hey, I want to have sexual intercourse with many of the women I see on the street but my coming up to them and saying fuck me! I suspect won't get me any nearer to bedding them. Why not try saying Shemp McGurk, and see what kind of response you get?
Re: [FairfieldLife] TM is not a religion (was Re: times of upcoming Pujas in Meru)
On Oct 16, 2009, at 10:46 AM, pranamoocher wrote: You're allowed to drink coffee in FF now? The horror! Only on Fridays, and that's only because we're not allowed to eat meat. Sal
[FairfieldLife] TM is not a religion (was Re: times of upcoming Pujas in Meru)
There's plenty of Kool-Aid to go around in both places. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, pranamoocher bhrma@ wrote: You're allowed to drink coffee in FF now? The horror! I think you must have Fairfield confused with Salt Lake City.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM professor calls Victor Stengers Quantum Gods: Mistaken, Misinformed and Misleading
No...I'm siding with Stenger for the time being. In addition, if one reads his books, you'll see that he admits of some shortcomings to his own conclusions; and there are some actual real flaws in some of his arguments, to be discussed. However, the Scharf essay below fails to counter Stenger on specifics, instead opting for an over-generalization without any details as to why Stenger's points are wrong. For those unfamiliar with Stenger, he spends a number of pages debunking Hagelin and Goswami in the chapter What the Bleep is the Secret (Wuantum Gods: Creation, Chaos, and the Search for Cosmic Consciousness), Prometheus Books, - I have a copy in front of me., To be brief, Scharf says basically that quantum-mysticism has distinguished representation among physicists Not true.; but may be true at MUM obviously, and among a few scattered physicists such as Goswami (an initiate of Sant Mat). Actually, if one does a brief search into the subject, geniuses like Einstein, Bohr, Schroedinger, Dirac, and others have already delved into the subject of quantum mysticism and found no cause and effect relationship between Mysticism and QM. Stenger - being an experimental phycicist - naturally emphasizes the importance of experimental evidence; and for starters, heavily disses MMY and Hagelin starting on page 55, The Guru of Guts - The McDonald's of Meditation. At the end of the chapter, he mentions experiments which refuted Hagelin's (SU(5) (Involving proton decay, conducted in deep underground salt mines; one near Cleveland, and another in Kamioka, Japan). On page 60, he states, The demise of minimal SU(5) did not cause GUTs to disappear from TM literature. [GUT = unified field theories].; ...continuing on page 61: While flipped SU(5) was a promising theory, it was hardly the answer to Einstein's dream of a unified field theory. Concerning string theory in general [my note: Stanford's Susskind is a string theorist, btw], Stenger says Today's unification attempts such as string theory and various proposals for quantum gravity seek a theory of everything (TOE) that includes all four forces. It remains to be seen whether any of these attempts will succeed. To conclude, Stenger is an experimentalist, and is basically challenging Hagelin to come up with any evidence whatsoever connecting physics to Quantum Mysticism. Sharf hasn't provided any counter arguments to Stenger. ...This is not to say that Stenger's pov has no flaws or shortcomings. He admits of some shortcomings, not not relating to Hagelin. An out for models that differ from Stenger's [or for that matter Hagelin's] would be possible through FTL signals [faster-than-Light]; and a possible alterntive to prevailing theories of QM based on FTL signals was provided by David Bohm, not Hagelin. Bohm died some time ago in a cancer clinic in Tijuana. I was thinking of visiting him but he passed away;...too bad; another genius gone. I'd say that Hagelin and Schar are the mistaken, misinformed, and misleading persons based on the works of Stenger then comparing the two pov's. ...to be continued. Haven't had time yet to outline the shortcomings of Stenger's pov; but will in due time. gegenera --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: MUM physics professor David Scharf will be speaking at the Science and Nonduality new age conference in California. David Scharf, Pseudoscience and Victor Stenger's Quantum Gods: Mistaken, Misinformed and Misleading (Physics, Maharishi University of Management) Quantum spiritualitythe idea that some aspect of consciousness plays a fundamental role in the universe and that advanced physics should be interpreted as having to some extent already incorporated this principlehas had distinguished representation among both physicists and philosophers. It has generated an upsurge of grassroots enthusiasm because of the widespread sense that science and spirituality, rather than being fundamentally separate or even opposed, are in fact deeply connected and mutually reinforcing. Victor Stenger's purpose in writing Quantum Gods: Creation, Chaos, and the Search for Cosmic Consciousness is to debunk this ideabut attention to the details shows that it is actually Stenger's arguments that need the debunking. Stengera retired physicist who is leveraging his scientific background to try to discredit anything and everything that smacks of spiritualitydoesn't respect his intellectual opponents enough to get their positions right; in some instances he appears to deliberately misrepresent their views; and, most important, his own reasoning is characterized by unremitting carelessness. Moreover, there is a method to his carelessnessit enables him to systematically avoid addressing the tough arguments of his opponents. Hence we find him frequently setting up a straw man by misrepresenting the debate as a
Re: [FairfieldLife] Obama celebrates Diwali!
I bet lighting that lamp worked up an appetite for a nice Prime Rib! From: Dick Mays dickm...@lisco.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, October 16, 2009 10:41:41 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Obama celebrates Diwali! HAPPY DIWALI! http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=jsJUy_ZMYuY Lokah Samastah Sukhino Bhavantu ~ May All Beings Be Happy
[FairfieldLife] All Hail the Corporatist in Chief
How much longer can our national wealth and legislative process support people that basically do nothing for a living but act as cost inducing middle men in markets? Insurance companies and Investment bankers have very little value added. They just run up costs between the real customers and the real producers of the goods and services. Why are they being protected and why is their profit grabbing ability being enhanced by the democrats in Washington? read more: http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2009/10/16/all-hail-the-corporatist-in-chief/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stop with the friggin' om business, will you?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, meowthirteen meowthirt...@... wrote: *plink**plink* (puts in 2 cents) I'm all for more words of love peace unity tranquility I think Om fits this criteria I think it is good for the mind to be thinking in kind to all sprits and physical life Om jogs the mind to remember this, no? Or arrests the body to remember higher things nobler things gives honor I m sorry it is poking you perhaps look along the stem of the word, so to say, and see the bloom, the blossum, the Rose at the end of that thorn you have been irritated by Just sayin' Om ..(*snicker*) For Real tho! 1) Your snicker comment pretty much debases every point you tried to make; and 2) Doug is a TMer. It is my understanding of the TM Program that it is during the 15-20 minute period twice daily in which the meditator contacts the source of spirituality. This is called the inward stroke of TM. The meditator then goes out in the world to do activity. This is referred to as the outward stroke. In TM we don't jog the mind to remember spirituality during the outward stroke. Indeed, it is only through immersing ourselves in the outward stroke that the inner value gets stuck, so to speak, in daily life. Repeating mantras during the outward stroke is, according to my understanding of the TM Program, counterproductive to this process. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@ wrote: Shemp McGurk wrote: Hey, I want to have sexual intercourse with many of the women I see on the street but my coming up to them and saying fuck me! I suspect won't get me any nearer to bedding them. Why not try saying Shemp McGurk, and see what kind of response you get?
RE: [FairfieldLife] All Hail the Corporatist in Chief
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of raunchydog Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 3:12 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] All Hail the Corporatist in Chief How much longer can our national wealth and legislative process support people that basically do nothing for a living but act as cost inducing middle men in markets? Insurance companies and Investment bankers have very little value added. They just run up costs between the real customers and the real producers of the goods and services. Why are they being protected and why is their profit grabbing ability being enhanced by the democrats in Washington? read more: http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2009/10/16/all-hail-the-corporatist-in-ch ief/ I agree. I don't know much about investment banking, but I say the health insurance companies deserve to die.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Article for John (jr_esq)
Swami Muktananda claimed to have often seen The Blue Man...but gave him no proper Name. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: This post is non-sequitur. I'm sorry you were unable to follow the train of thought, John, but the fact that *you* were unable to follow it does not make it not follow (the definition of a non-sequitur). You post supposedly scientific articles to support your often-stated-on-this-forum belief that the Vedic literature is not only true but truth. So I thought you'd appreciate a link to an article that allows you to do that with the descriptions in that literature of Krishna as having blue skin. As indicated in an earlier post, I was presenting a scientific theory by a physicist from Stanford Univerdity. A YouTube link was provided for everyone to see and confirm the ideas being presented in the lecture. I did not discuss any references to the vedic literature. But you may clarify your beliefs if you want. Did Krishna really have blue skin? Did such a being as Krishna ever really exist? Did the events described in the Bhagavad-Gita ever really take place? If you believe he existed, was Krishna really able to multiply himself and his...uh...flute sufficiently to sexually sat- isfy dozens of gopis (milkmaids) at once? Did he (as stated in the Bhagavata Purana, really marry 16,108 wives? (That's one heckuva flute the guy had if this is all true.) I'm not going to discuss any theological discussion about the validity of Krishna as an historical figure. This is not the forum for this topic. If you are interested in these, you should read the Srimad Bhagavatam which discusses all of the points you asked. I was poking fun at your tendency to state in many posts that you believe that the Vedic literature is not only true but cosmic truth and imply that if science disagrees with it that it's science that's wrong (or that it hasn't caught up to the cosmic knowledge expressed in the Vedas yet), and then later claim that posting a precis of a science article that just accidentally happens to use the same language to describe the birth/death of the universe that the Vedic literature uses doesn't represent your beliefs and wasn't intended to prove those beliefs. To repeat once again, the posting has nothing to do vedic literature. As indicated in the lecture, Dr. Susskind was presenting a challenge to other physicists about their own theories relating to the creation of the universe. I think you'd like to have it both ways, John. You'd like to be a fundamentalist believer in the Vedas but not be perceived as a fundament- alist. Could you follow the logic in *that* sentence? You missed the whole point, Barry. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Since you like these confirmation bias articles, John, here's one that proves that Krishna could have existed just as described in the Vedic literature. :-) http://www.hair-n-skin-care.com/skin-conditions-and-diseases/blue-skin-disorder.html
[FairfieldLife] YouTube - Return of the Ancestors SACRED FIRE Our Gratitude
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBjxwkz8sgE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBjxwkz8sgEfeature=player_embedded feature=player_embedded
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Movie Review: (500) Days Of Summer
TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifuxero@ wrote: Me too, loved it; although I like most movies. There's even a 1% chance that Zooey is a TMer, so this isn't a total non-sequitur on this forum. :-) Her father Caleb Deschanel (Academy Award-winning cinematographer) was active in the LA TM center back when I was teaching there. So if the drop out statistics that Curtis and others have reported here (in their experience, when calling mailing lists of TMers, 90% had quit) are true, then there is a 10% chance that he would have passed it along to his kids, and another 10% chance she would have kept meditating. I think that's how the math works. :-) But whatever she is, she's cute as a button... I always featured her cast in a completely different kind of role as a serial killer. She would look very unsuspecting. I bet she would like the challenge too. I think so, too. I looked her up in the IMDB and was surprised to find that at age 28 she has been in 39 movies or TV shows. To be honest, the only character I remember is Trillian in the movie version of The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy, but I certainly remember her from that. Her next movie is a fantasy, but she plays a char- acter named Belladonna, so maybe you'll get your wish. :-) I've seen her in a lot of things. She had a character in Weeds, season 2 I think. Might have been a guest star on Pushing Daisies. Her sister has her own series Bones.
Re: [FairfieldLife] YouTube - Return of the Ancestors SACRED FIRE Our Gratitude
Hoka Hey...Kemo Sabe! From: Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, October 16, 2009 2:29:26 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] YouTube - Return of the Ancestors SACRED FIRE Our Gratitude http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=IBjxwkz8sgEfeature=player_ embedded __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] All Hail the Corporatist in Chief
Rick Archer wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of raunchydog Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 3:12 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] All Hail the Corporatist in Chief How much longer can our national wealth and legislative process support people that basically do nothing for a living but act as cost inducing middle men in markets? Insurance companies and Investment bankers have very little value added. They just run up costs between the real customers and the real producers of the goods and services. Why are they being protected and why is their profit grabbing ability being enhanced by the democrats in Washington? read more: http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2009/10/16/all-hail-the-corporatist-in-ch ief/ I agree. I don't know much about investment banking, but I say the health insurance companies deserve to die. We need a million member march on Wall Street with pitchforks and torches. I think that MIGHT get the message across.
[FairfieldLife] YouTube - President Obama's Diwali Message
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPm_zhx7ZEY
[FairfieldLife] Barack Obama celebrates Diwali in White House
Barack Obama celebrates Diwali in White House http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsJUy_ZMYuYNR=1
[FairfieldLife] World's Angriest Dipper: Viral Video Film School
~~ Warning: May be harmful to your happy evening ~~ Do not watch while eating ~~ The F.D.A. recently outlawed flavored tobacco, and in doing so, enraged the entire YouTube Dipping Community. Yes, apparently that is a real thing, and yes, those irate Dippers are the subject of this week's Viral Video Film School. Watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzCm4gFzd1U
[FairfieldLife] Elizabeth Clare Prophet Dies
CHURCH UNIVERSAL AND TRIUMPHANT LEADER DIES AP October 16, 2009 http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5itY7UfJtKYgsCaDxnWyocfTcfg LQD9BCD1U01 BOZEMAN, MONTANA - Church Universal and Triumphant leader Elizabeth Clare Prophet has died in Bozeman. She was 70. Prophet's legal guardian, Murray Steinman, says she suffered from advanced Alzheimer's disease and died at her apartment Thursday night. Prophet was the spiritual leader for a church that at one time boasted 50,000 members. In the late 1980s, assault rifles and armored vehicles were amassed in preparation for a nuclear missile strike that Prophet predicted was on the way. The sect combined icons from the world's major religions, mixing western philosophy and mysticism. Wikipedia On Elizabeth Clare Prophet: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Clare_Prophet Official Church Universal Triumphant Website: http://www.tsl.org/ NHNE Wavemaker News List: Send Some Green Love To NHNE: http://www.nhne.org/DONATE/tabid/398/Default.aspx To subscribe, send a message to: nhnenews-subscr...@yahoogroups.com mailto:nhnenews-subscribe%40yahoogroups.com To unsubscribe, send a message to: nhnenews-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com mailto:nhnenews-unsubscribe%40yahoogroups.com To review current posts: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nhnenews/messages http://www.nhne.org/tabid/1044/Default.aspx NHNE's Mother Ship: http://www.nhne.org/ NHNE Pulse: http://nhne-pulse.org/ Sunfellow NHNE on Twitter: http://twitter.com/sunfellow Integral NHNE: http://integralnhne.ning.com/ Published by David Sunfellow NewHeavenNewEarth (NHNE) eMail: n...@nhne.org mailto:nhne%40nhne.org Phone: (928) 257-3200 Fax: (815) 642-0117 P.O. Box 2242 Sedona, AZ 86339
[FairfieldLife] Re: Elizabeth Clare Prophet Dies
thx for the info. I pray for the deceased as much as possible; but make no judgements as to their worthiness.(that's up to Kali). http://www.sacredimages-ami.com/ascendedmasters.html --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: CHURCH UNIVERSAL AND TRIUMPHANT LEADER DIES AP October 16, 2009 http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5itY7UfJtKYgsCaDxnWyocfTcfg LQD9BCD1U01 BOZEMAN, MONTANA - Church Universal and Triumphant leader Elizabeth Clare Prophet has died in Bozeman. She was 70. Prophet's legal guardian, Murray Steinman, says she suffered from advanced Alzheimer's disease and died at her apartment Thursday night. Prophet was the spiritual leader for a church that at one time boasted 50,000 members. In the late 1980s, assault rifles and armored vehicles were amassed in preparation for a nuclear missile strike that Prophet predicted was on the way. The sect combined icons from the world's major religions, mixing western philosophy and mysticism. Wikipedia On Elizabeth Clare Prophet: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Clare_Prophet Official Church Universal Triumphant Website: http://www.tsl.org/ NHNE Wavemaker News List: Send Some Green Love To NHNE: http://www.nhne.org/DONATE/tabid/398/Default.aspx To subscribe, send a message to: nhnenews-subscr...@yahoogroups.com mailto:nhnenews-subscribe%40yahoogroups.com To unsubscribe, send a message to: nhnenews-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com mailto:nhnenews-unsubscribe%40yahoogroups.com To review current posts: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nhnenews/messages http://www.nhne.org/tabid/1044/Default.aspx NHNE's Mother Ship: http://www.nhne.org/ NHNE Pulse: http://nhne-pulse.org/ Sunfellow NHNE on Twitter: http://twitter.com/sunfellow Integral NHNE: http://integralnhne.ning.com/ Published by David Sunfellow NewHeavenNewEarth (NHNE) eMail: n...@... mailto:nhne%40nhne.org Phone: (928) 257-3200 Fax: (815) 642-0117 P.O. Box 2242 Sedona, AZ 86339
[FairfieldLife] TM is not a religion (was Re: times of upcoming Pujas in Meru)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifux...@... wrote: There's plenty of Kool-Aid to go around in both places. There's actually a Mormon Ru subculture in Fairfield. My guess is that the LDS church doesn't care about the Ru stuff as long as the church still gets 10% of their income. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, pranamoocher bhrma@ wrote: You're allowed to drink coffee in FF now? The horror! I think you must have Fairfield confused with Salt Lake City.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM professor calls Victo r Stengers Quantum Gods: Mistaken, Misinformed and Misleading
On Oct 16, 2009, at 3:33 PM, yifuxero wrote: An out for models that differ from Stenger's [or for that matter Hagelin's] would be possible through FTL signals [faster-than-Light]; and a possible alterntive to prevailing theories of QM based on FTL signals was provided by David Bohm, not Hagelin. Bohm died some time ago in a cancer clinic in Tijuana. I was thinking of visiting him but he passed away;...too bad; another genius gone. Perhaps HH the Dalai Lama knows? He and Bohm were old friends. It was actually Bohm who, in one of their many chats in a long friendship, explained the intricacies of the special theory of relativity to him. I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall as he and Bohm talked into the wee hours of the morning, a brilliant physicist, a great yogi and expert on Dzogchen ati-yoga and the Body of Light laughing and talking on the mysteries of the inner and outer universe... Really we'd have to hear all of Scharf's talk to get a better idea of all of his arguments, but the gut feeling from the abstract is one of a kid who finds out the tooth fairy or Santa Claus aren't real, but still wants to believe. Thanks for the interesting comments. Interesting how we never hear of the death of Hagelin's failed theory from the TMO.
[FairfieldLife] Post Count
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Article for John (jr_esq)
(snip) his scripture, so you don't have to answer? I rest my case. As I suggested in another post today, it's *OK* to believe in things like gods and goddesses and guys with blue skin. What is a little less OK in my book is to believe in those things and be afraid to admit it. I do remember, when my son was born... On, that day, His Holiness Maharishi Yogi, had left Fairfield, Iowa, USA... for the last time... He had been there, Maharishi had been there, for 6 weeks, for the 'Taste of Utopia' course... When my baby boy, was born, I was there, to witness the event... Two other doctors were present, and his mother were there, also... It was a very smooth and quiet delivery, as my wife was practice in the 'Art of Birth'... He came out a 'Blue Color', Jeffrey did... Until he took his first breath, and then the color changed to pink... I have noticed sometimes, that my current incarnation of Vishnu.. The 'Illustrious Barack Obama'... Sometimes, appears to have blue lips...? Maybe it was to the 'Cold Iowa Air'.. Vahu Be With Yu... And Vishnu Also... Robert Jeffrey Gimbel, Somewhere in Wisconsin
[FairfieldLife] Re: Elizabeth Clare Prophet Dies
I googled Michael Weinless about a year ago and got a hit on this successor group, or at least the group claiming to carry the mantle of the Saint Germain teaching. I sent them an e-mail and they responded in a very friendly way letting me know that Michael was basically their IT person. They suggested I contact him via e-mail to say hello. I did not, but I was glad to see that he found someplace to settle. I of course was fascinated by him and thought he was a genius. Looking back I don't know if that was an accurate assesment, or just part of the idealistic way I tended to view movement people at that time. I'd enjoy hearing about any other comments people had about Michael Weinless. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: CHURCH UNIVERSAL AND TRIUMPHANT LEADER DIES AP October 16, 2009 http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5itY7UfJtKYgsCaDxnWyocfTcfg LQD9BCD1U01 BOZEMAN, MONTANA - Church Universal and Triumphant leader Elizabeth Clare Prophet has died in Bozeman. She was 70. Prophet's legal guardian, Murray Steinman, says she suffered from advanced Alzheimer's disease and died at her apartment Thursday night. Prophet was the spiritual leader for a church that at one time boasted 50,000 members. In the late 1980s, assault rifles and armored vehicles were amassed in preparation for a nuclear missile strike that Prophet predicted was on the way. The sect combined icons from the world's major religions, mixing western philosophy and mysticism. Wikipedia On Elizabeth Clare Prophet: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Clare_Prophet Official Church Universal Triumphant Website: http://www.tsl.org/ NHNE Wavemaker News List: Send Some Green Love To NHNE: http://www.nhne.org/DONATE/tabid/398/Default.aspx To subscribe, send a message to: nhnenews-subscr...@yahoogroups.com mailto:nhnenews-subscribe%40yahoogroups.com To unsubscribe, send a message to: nhnenews-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com mailto:nhnenews-unsubscribe%40yahoogroups.com To review current posts: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nhnenews/messages http://www.nhne.org/tabid/1044/Default.aspx NHNE's Mother Ship: http://www.nhne.org/ NHNE Pulse: http://nhne-pulse.org/ Sunfellow NHNE on Twitter: http://twitter.com/sunfellow Integral NHNE: http://integralnhne.ning.com/ Published by David Sunfellow NewHeavenNewEarth (NHNE) eMail: n...@... mailto:nhne%40nhne.org Phone: (928) 257-3200 Fax: (815) 642-0117 P.O. Box 2242 Sedona, AZ 86339
[FairfieldLife] 'Chaotic Nodes and Dimensional Attunements'
Chaotic Nodes In one of our previous communications we discussed the concept of chaotic nodes. From our perspective we believe you are on the cusp of one such node. When predicting chaotic events, one is presented with an enigma, since by its very nature chaos is unpredictable. Yet within the flow of chaotic events there is a substructure that feeds the flow of chaos, as you experience it. Based upon our understanding of this sub-structure (the quantum-field), we predict that a Chaotic Node will manifest somewhere in the next 90 days. In reality it could appear within hours of this message or weeks past the window we have predicted. (Note: see previous Hathor message entitled, Chaotic Nodes: http://tomkenyon.com/chaotic-nodes/.) Nevertheless, regardless of the actual timing of this Chaotic Node, we believe that it will present itself in multiple ways, involving international finance, challenges to physical and mental health, planetary earth changes, including earthquake and volcanic activity, and increased weather anomalies. All of these events will strain the resources that your governments have to cope with such things. As we said previously, the nature of Chaotic Nodes is such that there are multiple effects that cannot be predicted, and so we do not wish to address the specific aspects of chaos that we believe will arise, but rather we wish to discuss strategies for dealing with the chaos, energetically and spiritually. We suggest you shift your perspective regarding chaos and view it not as an inconvenience and a difficulty, but rather as an evolutionary catalyst. How such events affect you resides in how you view them. What we mean by this is that there is a tendency for human consciousness to get stuck in a rut, to anticipate what things are going to be like, and to take actions based upon those predictions. And for most people, when the reality does not match expectation this creates great internal travail, and yet by the very nature of Chaotic Nodes your predictive abilities collapse in the midst of multiple probabilities. For most persons, chaotic events generate a fear response, since the stability that one counts on to predict appropriate action has seemingly disappeared. And while fear is certainly an understandable response, it is only one of many possible responses. Thus, we encourage you to train your mind to jump out of the habitual rut of self-limitation and expectation, on a moment's notice, whenever confronted with unexpected events. From an energetic standpoint, what happens to you in a given situation has more to do with your vibrational frequency, meaning the state of your consciousness, than where you are physically located. Thus, two people in the same location experiencing chaotic events can have vastly different emotional responses. Whereas one person might be paralyzed with fear, anger, and resentment, the other person might experience the moment as humorous. He or she gets the cosmic joke, which is the sudden and unexpected realization that the reality everyone experiences as real is nothing more than the fabrication of their own minds. When chaotic events disturb the status quo, a doorway briefly appears, an opportunity if you will, to jump upward in consciousness, to wake up from the dream spell. But waking up from the collective dream only occurs if you are prepared to step across the threshold. For a person who is prepared mentally and emotionally to embrace chaotic events as evolutionary catalysts, the near future will be full of amusing incidents, unexpected serendipity, and a feeling of waking up from a mass dream that has gripped humanity for the last several thousand years. So here is the line in the sand, so to speak. For those who wish to continue blaming others for the problems they are facing, for those who would rather die than wake up from the dream that they are collectively dreaming, this coming Chaotic Node will be extremely difficult to contend with, and as we have said, this is just the first of many such nodes to come. But for a person who has embraced the idea that Chaotic Nodes are evolutionary catalysts, it will be a different story. Again, it is not where you are physically located that matters, it is your vibratory frequency, the state of your consciousness. In the past we have given many tools to assist you as you move through these portals that are a necessary and unavoidable aspect to the ascent of earth and humanity. Some of these methods we have shared involve sacred geometry. Some of them involve emotional mastery and what we call ecstasy and the heart. We would suggest that you refer to these previous messages and work with the tools we have given. For although we have said it twice already, we shall say it a third time. It is a fundamental principal we would like you to understand. It does not matter where you are physically located. It is the state of your vibratory frequency, your state of consciousness that matters most.
[FairfieldLife] TM is not a religion (was Re: times of upcoming Pujas in Meru)
it would be in the Global Family Chats, I think if you look for Maharaja visits USA it would likely be in that. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony...@... wrote: Nablusoss, someone was telling me this morning in a line in FF while waiting for coffee that Tony Nadar recently gave an excellent lecture explaining the science of the devata nature. Said it was a very good talk. Demystifying. Is that linked on the global family chats? Or somewhere? Just wondering. JGD, Doug in FF --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: These sound like scientific procedures to me! Are they from a book on Quantum Physics? Chuckle. It's a source of endless amusement to me that the TMO insist that its use of Hindu deities in rituals is something to do with them being aspects of natural law. I'm not sure I'm amused by it after four decades. For me it brings up feelings of sadness at the sheer SPINELESSNESS of long-term TMers. They are still defending the TM is not a religion meme WHILE attending TMO-sponsored yagyas that make offerings to *specific* Hindu deities. IMO it's *just fine* to believe in a bunch of gods and goddesses and to believe that they are so petty and vain that they would be swayed into bestowing favors on humans stupid enough to offer them rice and ghee. It's superstition, but hey! *lots* of people on this rock are superstitious. Jews believe in a God who is an old man with a hoary white beard dispensing punishment to people who do horrible things like using the same kitchen to prepare meat and milk dishes. Catholics believe not only in a big male God with a hoary beard, but that he has by his side his son, whom God killed savagely for their sins, and whose blood and flesh they symbol- ically consume every Sunday in church. But these people are at least HONEST about their religious beliefs and practices. TMers attend these yagyas, pray to Hindu gods and goddesses and try to bribe them into bestowing favors on them, and then go out and give an intro lecture or talk to a school system and tell them with a straight face that the TMO is promoting no religious practices. Not only is this hypocritical to the max, it is cowardly and spineless. It's *OK* to believe in supernatural beings; what's less OK is to believe in them and lie about it.
[FairfieldLife] [S[pace~Time~and~Such'...
The Spiritual Dimensions section is a very deep area of study, but one that is key to understanding some of the most difficult areas of Scripture, such as those verses in Revelation where the text seems to shift between events on earth and in the heavenlies, as well as not follow a linear time line. Consider the following quote: Time is an accident consequent upon motion and is necessarily attached to it. Neither of them exists without the other. Motion does not exist except in time, and time cannot be conceived by the intellect except together with motion. And all that with regard to which no motion can be found, does not fall under time. A brilliant insight from Albert Einstein, perhaps? If you answered probably, you're only off by about 700 years. In as much as the above quotation sounds like a 20th century theory of Einstein, it is actually from Maimonides, the great Jewish Torah scholar of the twelfth century. (1) Actually, Einstein and his colleagues probably were inspired by Maimonides' writings, which were well ahead of their time. The last sentence of Maimonides' quote actually pertains to God Himself. As motion (as well as space) imply measurement and can only apply to physical objects, and as God is not corporeal, then He is not confined by time or space. Time was created by God, for us. He operates beyond time as we know it. TIME AND SPACE IN OUR 3-DIMENSIONAL WORLD There are many ways that time and space can be shown to have a relationship. A simple example is found in the game of chess. Chess strategy involves interplay between space (how many of the 64 squares of the board you control), and time (how many moves that you are ahead or behind your opponent). Experienced players often trade space for time, having to use their intuition as to whether they are getting the better end of the deal. Only after a beginner understands this dimension, of the game, can he move forward to becoming an advanced player. In mathematics, there are complex equations that cannot be solved without introducing a 4th dimension (something beyond the X, Y and Z coordinates in 3-dimensional space). Again, without expanding beyond the elementary and obvious, one cannot advance to the next level of understanding. Physics has shown that there are relationships between things like energy and mass, as well as time and space, Einstein's famous equation, E=mc2 (Energy equals mass times the constant of the speed of light, squared) was one of the first to link two such elements. Experiments have been done sending atomic clocks through the atmosphere in different directions, arriving at the same destination at the same moment -- however when the clocks were checked, the times were different, thus showing that speed through space affected time. FIVE SPIRITUAL ELEMENTS The concepts we call, time and space, as well as, light, mass, and energy, are all part of God's creation and may be considered a reflection of His attributes. As God is consistent in what He does, when studying the Scriptures, we should not be surprised to find that there are corresponding elements in the spiritual realm. The study of these spiritual elements plays a key role in understanding who God is, who we are, what is to come, and how we are to get there. The following are offered for consideration: • spiritual time, represented by repeated events not constricted to the physical linear aspect of time, i.e., the Moedim (including Shabbat, Shemitta and Yovel years, and the seven Feasts of God). Many of these are associated with events in the Millennium or Olam Haba (the world to come). • spiritual space, the dimension(s) beyond our physical one, including aspects of those set on earth for us (i.e., the Tabernacle/Temple, a place where God could reside among us on this sinful earth.) Spiritual space is necessary for God's spiritual light to be transmitted, just as physical space is needed for physical light. • spiritual light, God's word and/or perfect will, either of which is a constant. You are the light of the world, is an admonition for God's people to teach others His Torah, which is His light. (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. - Psalm 119:105.) The glory of God is also represented by light in Scripture. • spiritual mass, any entity whose function is to implement the will of God (i.e., angels, the Ruach Ha Kodesh (Holy Spirit), Messiah or the Shekinah). This would also include evil angels (demons), including haSatan, who also ultimately serve God's purpose. • spiritual energy, the result of the work of; angels, the Ruach Ha Kodesh (Holy Spirit), Messiah the Shekinah or demons -- i.e., miracles or revelation TIME AND SPACE: SHABBAT AND THE TEMPLE The Sabbath is shown to have a time-transcending character, as seen in the mystical teachings of the Zohar, and is directly tied to the Millenium/Olam Haba: Soncino Zohar, Shemoth, Section 2, Page 88a - Therefore the Sabbath is more precious than all other times and
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Article for John (jr_esq)
On Oct 16, 2009, at 2:08 PM, yifuxero wrote: Swami Muktananda claimed to have often seen The Blue Man...but gave him no proper Name. In the yogas of inner vision, it's not unusual to see yogis as blue- skinned, with a light, delicate coating of ash. I remember seeing my Tsa-Lung teacher in his enlightened form, and that's just how he appeared. It was puzzling at first, and then I later found out from my teacher that once you've experienced rigpa, you not only begin to glimpse beings enlightenment-bodies, but you also begin to see those awakened as part of an underlying mandala.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Elizabeth Clare Prophet Dies
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sun...@... wrote: I googled Michael Weinless about a year ago and got a hit on this successor group, or at least the group claiming to carry the mantle of the Saint Germain teaching. I sent them an e-mail and they responded in a very friendly way letting me know that Michael was basically their IT person. They suggested I contact him via e-mail to say hello. I did not, but I was glad to see that he found someplace to settle. I of course was fascinated by him and thought he was a genius. Looking back I don't know if that was an accurate assesment, or just part of the idealistic way I tended to view movement people at that time. I'd enjoy hearing about any other comments people had about Michael Weinless. He was a huge St. Louis fan : he would go on and on about very large Cardinals. ;) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: CHURCH UNIVERSAL AND TRIUMPHANT LEADER DIES AP October 16, 2009 http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5itY7UfJtKYgsCaDxnWyocfTcfg LQD9BCD1U01 BOZEMAN, MONTANA - Church Universal and Triumphant leader Elizabeth Clare Prophet has died in Bozeman. She was 70. Prophet's legal guardian, Murray Steinman, says she suffered from advanced Alzheimer's disease and died at her apartment Thursday night. Prophet was the spiritual leader for a church that at one time boasted 50,000 members. In the late 1980s, assault rifles and armored vehicles were amassed in preparation for a nuclear missile strike that Prophet predicted was on the way. The sect combined icons from the world's major religions, mixing western philosophy and mysticism. Wikipedia On Elizabeth Clare Prophet: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Clare_Prophet Official Church Universal Triumphant Website: http://www.tsl.org/ NHNE Wavemaker News List: Send Some Green Love To NHNE: http://www.nhne.org/DONATE/tabid/398/Default.aspx To subscribe, send a message to: nhnenews-subscr...@yahoogroups.com mailto:nhnenews-subscribe%40yahoogroups.com To unsubscribe, send a message to: nhnenews-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com mailto:nhnenews-unsubscribe%40yahoogroups.com To review current posts: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nhnenews/messages http://www.nhne.org/tabid/1044/Default.aspx NHNE's Mother Ship: http://www.nhne.org/ NHNE Pulse: http://nhne-pulse.org/ Sunfellow NHNE on Twitter: http://twitter.com/sunfellow Integral NHNE: http://integralnhne.ning.com/ Published by David Sunfellow NewHeavenNewEarth (NHNE) eMail: nhne@ mailto:nhne%40nhne.org Phone: (928) 257-3200 Fax: (815) 642-0117 P.O. Box 2242 Sedona, AZ 86339
[FairfieldLife] Re: Article for John (jr_esq)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: snip See Judy. See Judy come back, swinging. See most people ignore Judy. Yeah, except for Rick, Alex, Patrick, Hugo, Mike, Shemp, Bhairitu, Edg, Card, Nabby, John, Raunchy, Offworld, PaliGap, Robert, WillyTex, Meow13, even Ruth sometimes (not to mention Sal, do.rkflex, Barry, and azgray). At least, that we know of, because they all comment on my posts. How many people comment on Sal's posts? See Judy keep swinging. See Judy post out early, yet again, Right, one day early. Wow! having used up most of her posts on attacks. Let's hear it for confirmation bias! Bye Judy. Not. horselaugh
[FairfieldLife] Re: Passing Health-Care Reform Could Change Political Landscape
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: Thanks for posting, Ruth. It's great to get a perspective from someone who knows what they're talking about. Sometimes I wonder about Harry Reid's commitment to a robust public option. Why is it so important for him to have Olympia Snow's vote to move the Senate Finance health care bill out of committee and on to the floor when all she wants are is a trigger' to make sure the public option is ineffectual? She probably won't vote for ANY bill that hits the floor anyway. Since have a filibuster proof Senate with 60 votes,Reid should move for cloture NOW and ask for an up or down vote for a public option. What Democratic senator in his right mind would vote against it? Reid has to show more leadership and whip the vote. Check out this report from Firedoglake. It makes you wonder why Arlen Specter shows more chutzpah to get cloture than Reid and why Reid is seemingly dragging his feet. http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/10/15/specter-urges-dem-unity-on-cloture-reid-thanks-for-doing-my-job/ It is a dance Raunchy. There isn't something to vote on yet as the bills aren't yet merged.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stop with the friggin' om business, will you?
*sigh!* The snicker does not negate what I said the snicker was in reaction to the amusing remarks so often found here, such as on a Spritual type forum,(I am considering this one as such)the thought of sex -and it wasn't put in a spirit intertwining way-just a fleshly animal pleasure way- was interjected; something about spouting of' Fuck me 'like Tourrets ... I find that worth a snicker. my fault my intention did not come through, through my own buggling of sentence structure. Hope it did not offend anyone. OM is on t shirts and carved into hair picks(available on the FF square-) I thought it good and thought spoken also good There are so many ugly mean words out there- I like Om the Divine coming in to our chats in lieu of a dark cold word that's all and you guys are just funny that is all Munay! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcg...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, meowthirteen meowthirteen@ wrote: *plink**plink* (puts in 2 cents) I'm all for more words of love peace unity tranquility I think Om fits this criteria I think it is good for the mind to be thinking in kind to all sprits and physical life Om jogs the mind to remember this, no? Or arrests the body to remember higher things nobler things gives honor I m sorry it is poking you perhaps look along the stem of the word, so to say, and see the bloom, the blossum, the Rose at the end of that thorn you have been irritated by Just sayin' Om ..(*snicker*) For Real tho! 1) Your snicker comment pretty much debases every point you tried to make; and 2) Doug is a TMer. It is my understanding of the TM Program that it is during the 15-20 minute period twice daily in which the meditator contacts the source of spirituality. This is called the inward stroke of TM. The meditator then goes out in the world to do activity. This is referred to as the outward stroke. In TM we don't jog the mind to remember spirituality during the outward stroke. Indeed, it is only through immersing ourselves in the outward stroke that the inner value gets stuck, so to speak, in daily life. Repeating mantras during the outward stroke is, according to my understanding of the TM Program, counterproductive to this process. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@ wrote: Shemp McGurk wrote: Hey, I want to have sexual intercourse with many of the women I see on the street but my coming up to them and saying fuck me! I suspect won't get me any nearer to bedding them. Why not try saying Shemp McGurk, and see what kind of response you get?
[FairfieldLife] TM is not a religion (was Re: times of upcoming Pujas in Meru)
it would be in the Global Family Chats, I think if you look for Maharaja visits USA it would likely be in that. Where is the public portal for the global chats? URL? Nablusoss, someone was telling me this morning in a line in FF while waiting for coffee that Tony Nadar recently gave an excellent lecture explaining the science of the devata nature. Said it was a very good talk. Demystifying. Is that linked on the global family chats? Or somewhere? Just wondering. JGD, Doug in FF
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM professor calls Victor Stengers Quantum Gods: Mistaken, Misinformed and Misleading
MUM physics professor David Scharf will be speaking at the Science and Nonduality new age conference in California. David Scharf, Pseudoscience and Victor Stenger's Quantum Gods: Mistaken, Misinformed and Misleading (Physics, Maharishi University of Management) Quantum spiritualitythe idea that some aspect of consciousness plays a fundamental role in the universe and that advanced physics should be interpreted as having to some extent already incorporated this principlehas had distinguished representation among both physicists and philosophers. It has generated an upsurge of grassroots enthusiasm because of the widespread sense that science and spirituality, rather than being fundamentally separate or even opposed, are in fact deeply connected and mutually reinforcing. Victor Stenger's purpose in writing Quantum Gods: Creation, Chaos, and the Search for Cosmic Consciousness is to debunk this ideabut attention to the details shows that it is actually Stenger's arguments that need the debunking. Stengera retired physicist who is leveraging his scientific background to try to discredit anything and everything that smacks of spiritualitydoesn't respect his intellectual opponents enough to get their positions right; in some instances he appears to deliberately misrepresent their views; and, most important, his own reasoning is characterized by unremitting carelessness. Moreover, there is a method to his carelessnessit enables him to systematically avoid addressing the tough arguments of his opponents. Hence we find him frequently setting up a straw man by misrepresenting the debate as a simple matter of science and reason versus superstition. Once having defined this as the issue, all he needs to do is assume the attitude of an outraged scientist and heap on the ridicule. But if he had done his homework and gotten his opponents' positions right, he would have discovered that it is harder to dismiss quantum spirituality than he had imagined. Indeed, the more carefullyand yes, criticallyone considers the relevant issues, the more one finds that quantum spirituality is founded on intelligent and plausible ideas, and eminently worthy of serious consideration. Absolutely. Quantum spirituality's been my experience, not yours? Don't meditate? Stenger could discipline himself a little more and then he'd know better. That Victor Stenger guy by default obviously don't have a lot to say. With Best Regards, -Doug in FF
[FairfieldLife] Arctic ice is INCREASING
Arctic Sea Ice Not Following Consensus http://anhonestclimatedebate.wordpress.com/2009/09/20/arctic-sea-ice-no\ t-following-consensus/ September 20, 2009Posted by honestclimate in Discussions http://en.wordpress.com/tag/discussions/ . Tags: climate change http://en.wordpress.com/tag/climate-change/ , global warming http://en.wordpress.com/tag/global-warming/ trackback http://anhonestclimatedebate.wordpress.com/2009/09/20/arctic-sea-ice-no\ t-following-consensus/trackback/ Arctic Sea Ice Not Following Consensus By Jeff Id The Air Vent http://noconsensus.wordpress.com/2009/09/18/arctic-sea-ice-not-followin\ g-consensus/ , September 18, 2009 From the NSIDC http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/ , Sea ice reaches it's annual minimum extent growing by 370,000 square miles over 2007. An area 1 1/2 times the size of Texas. The recovery is 220,000 sq miles above last year alone yet the NSIDC claims below that the scientists don't consider this a recovery. They cite younger thinner ice again and a lower level than the 30 year mean as the reasons this is not a recovery. I have difficulty ignoring a near 400,000 sq mile increase in ice level. So I hope they don't mind if I do consider it at least a partial recovery. From a post on CA SteveM posted a graph from the NSIDC's compiled 2008 projections of sea ice by the different `experts' in the field. Since 2008 minimum is clearly marked and 220,000 sq miles is equal to 570,000 sq kilometers of increase. We can determine where on the NSIDC graph the actual Arctic sea ice turned out. All I can say is, be glad you're not an expert on sea ice. The linear trend is actually closer than the majority of the experts. [Untitled-1] http://noconsensus.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/untitled-1.jpg Various expert predictions of 2009 sea ice minimums. Green Line is Actual
[FairfieldLife] Re: Article for John (jr_esq)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: snip See Judy. See Judy come back, swinging. See most people ignore Judy. Yeah, except for Rick, Alex, Patrick, Hugo, Mike, Shemp, Bhairitu, Edg, Card, Nabby, John, Raunchy, Offworld, PaliGap, Robert, WillyTex, Meow13, even Ruth sometimes (not to mention Sal, do.rkflex, Barry, and azgray). At least, that we know of, because they all comment on my posts. I don't grok the look at how we're ignoring Judy! posts at all. What's the point when posting them is explicitly *not* ignoring you? That said, I have experienced being on the losing end of an intellectual battle with you, back in the AMT days, and my recollection is that my final response was a lame attempt to save face with a blustery comment, completely devoid of substance, when I knew damn well that I'd just had my ass handed to me on a platter. It's not fun being shredded by your unbelievably sharp intellect; it must be extremely frustrating to be shredded over and over again, year after year. On the flip side, I also had a real aha! experience one time when I was finally able to grasp some argument you were making that was totally a case of the devil being in the details. I think sometimes you juggle more facets of an issue than some people can handle.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM professor calls Victor Stengers Quantum Gods: Mistaken, Misinformed and Misleading
Right, Doug. The claim is not that one can experience Spirituality; but rather that Mysticism has any causative connection to the Laws of physics: whether it be traditional Newtonian mechanics, Einsteinian laws of relativity, or QM; (or for that matter the physiology of the brain and/or how thoughts arise). If so, what is the connection, and to which law(s)?. Be specific. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony...@... wrote: MUM physics professor David Scharf will be speaking at the Science and Nonduality new age conference in California. David Scharf, Pseudoscience and Victor Stenger's Quantum Gods: Mistaken, Misinformed and Misleading (Physics, Maharishi University of Management) Quantum spiritualitythe idea that some aspect of consciousness plays a fundamental role in the universe and that advanced physics should be interpreted as having to some extent already incorporated this principlehas had distinguished representation among both physicists and philosophers. It has generated an upsurge of grassroots enthusiasm because of the widespread sense that science and spirituality, rather than being fundamentally separate or even opposed, are in fact deeply connected and mutually reinforcing. Victor Stenger's purpose in writing Quantum Gods: Creation, Chaos, and the Search for Cosmic Consciousness is to debunk this ideabut attention to the details shows that it is actually Stenger's arguments that need the debunking. Stengera retired physicist who is leveraging his scientific background to try to discredit anything and everything that smacks of spiritualitydoesn't respect his intellectual opponents enough to get their positions right; in some instances he appears to deliberately misrepresent their views; and, most important, his own reasoning is characterized by unremitting carelessness. Moreover, there is a method to his carelessnessit enables him to systematically avoid addressing the tough arguments of his opponents. Hence we find him frequently setting up a straw man by misrepresenting the debate as a simple matter of science and reason versus superstition. Once having defined this as the issue, all he needs to do is assume the attitude of an outraged scientist and heap on the ridicule. But if he had done his homework and gotten his opponents' positions right, he would have discovered that it is harder to dismiss quantum spirituality than he had imagined. Indeed, the more carefullyand yes, criticallyone considers the relevant issues, the more one finds that quantum spirituality is founded on intelligent and plausible ideas, and eminently worthy of serious consideration. Absolutely. Quantum spirituality's been my experience, not yours? Don't meditate? Stenger could discipline himself a little more and then he'd know better. That Victor Stenger guy by default obviously don't have a lot to say. With Best Regards, -Doug in FF
[FairfieldLife] Re: Article for John (jr_esq)
Yes, Grass-Hopper...you are now ready ...for the next level!!! 'The Dennis Hopper Technique'... Pretend the 'World's a Stage'...and we're just the 'Players on It!' Then yu might get along, with the trees, just fine, grasshopper... See you, in Sedona! Turn up the heat, Please? Robert Jeffrey Gimbel Somewhere in Wisconsin, USA --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Oct 16, 2009, at 2:08 PM, yifuxero wrote: Swami Muktananda claimed to have often seen The Blue Man...but gave him no proper Name. In the yogas of inner vision, it's not unusual to see yogis as blue- skinned, with a light, delicate coating of ash. I remember seeing my Tsa-Lung teacher in his enlightened form, and that's just how he appeared. It was puzzling at first, and then I later found out from my teacher that once you've experienced rigpa, you not only begin to glimpse beings enlightenment-bodies, but you also begin to see those awakened as part of an underlying mandala.
[FairfieldLife] [Buddha Be With You, and Also with You!]
Saturday 17 October 2009
}Restful Regeneration{
I have never claimed to be a perfect oracle; but my perception that the Afghan
war was a serious mistake, which I tried to sell to all of you quite a few
months ago, to the point of asking you to write to the President or your
congressman or else leave the group, was correct. Even Thomas Friedman, the New
York Times columnist who supported the Iraq war, is saying we need to
reconsider Afghanistan and maybe just get out. From his latest column:
Talking to Afghanistan experts in Kabul, Washington and Berlin, a picture is
emerging: The Karzai government has a lot in common with a Mafia family. . . .
In 'Karzai World,' it appears, slots are either sold (to people who buy them in
order to make a profit) or granted to cronies, or are given away to buy off
rivals. . . . This is crazy. We have been way too polite, and too worried about
looking like a colonial power, in dealing with Karzai. I would not add a single
soldier there before this guy . . . takes
visible steps to clean up his government in ways that would be respected by
the Afghan people. . . . If Karzai says no, then there is only one answer:
'You're on your own, pal. Have a nice life with the Taliban. We can't and will
not put more American blood and treasure behind a government that behaves like
a Mafia family. If you don't think we will leave--watch this.' (Cue the
helicopters.)
It shouldn't have taken Cosmic Piper, or any astrologer, to see this coming. It
was self-evident. If you didn't write that letter before, you can now. We are
being made fools of, or proving we are fools, by pursuing an endless stupid
war, or rather endless bickering; fighting against ghosts of last week's
enemy or phantoms of next week's, going nowhere except to offend all decent
people everywhere.
On Saturday the moon moves toward the sun, or the New Moon at 10:34p PT |
1:34a(Su) | 5:34a(Su) UT. It's a winding-down day which should be quite
pleasant. Maybe you have a right to relax, rest, and do what you please for a
while.
There is beauty and light-heartedness, if not light-headedness. You care about
a major project, and need not abandon it, but your way of pursuing it could be
spontaneous or vacillating, with no worries.
A solitary side of you may desire companionship but is not willing to settle
for anything less than an ideal, and therefore content to dream away, perhaps
sensuous or erotic dreams, rather than submit to relationships of a dreary kind.
You have enough personal dignity and self-respect to take your time moving
toward basic goals. You know you will be respected if you are persistent and
honorable.
When feeling isolated, you still attempt to be a part of the human race,
through entertainment perhaps or a religious-spiritual approach, ritual of a
sort.
When you feel your talents are unrecognized and you are given too little in
return for labor, you might feel resentful but are more likely to realize that
resentment would just ruin your day. You know somewhere deep inside that your
integrity, known to yourself, is enough to keep you happy, so you press on with
activities and interests unworried about the world's opinion or reaction.
{Saturday} {Restful Regeneration}
Cosmic Piper
[FairfieldLife] [Buddha Be With You, and Also with You!]
To: fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, October 16, 2009, 10:40 PM
Saturday 17 October 2009
}Restful Regeneration{
The Second Coming!
[Breaking News}
Jesus Returns as 'President Barack Obama!!!'
EXtra, Read All About It!...! Berlin, 1933 /erik jan Hanussen...
Robert Jeffrey Gimbel Somewhere in Wisconsin, USA...
I have never claimed to be a perfect oracle; but my perception that the Afghan
war was a serious mistake, which I tried to sell to all of you quite a few
months ago, to the point of asking you to write to the President or your
congressman or else leave the group, was correct. Even Thomas Friedman, the New
York Times columnist who supported the Iraq war, is saying we need to
reconsider Afghanistan and maybe just get out. From his latest column:
Talking to Afghanistan experts in Kabul, Washington and Berlin, a picture is
emerging: The Karzai government has a lot in common with a Mafia family. . . .
In 'Karzai World,' it appears, slots are either sold (to people who buy them in
order to make a profit) or granted to cronies, or are given away to buy off
rivals. . . . This
is crazy. We have been way too polite, and too worried about looking like a
colonial power, in dealing with Karzai. I would not add a single soldier there
before this guy . . . takes visible steps to clean up his government in ways
that would be respected by the Afghan people. . . . If Karzai says no, then
there is only one answer: 'You're on your own, pal. Have a nice life with the
Taliban. We can't and will not put more American blood and treasure behind a
government that behaves like a Mafia family. If you don't think we will
leave--watch this.' (Cue the helicopters.)
It shouldn't have taken Cosmic Piper, or any astrologer, to see
this coming. It was self-evident. If you didn't write that letter before, you
can now. We are being made fools of, or proving we are fools, by pursuing an
endless stupid war, or rather endless bickering; fighting against ghosts of
last week's enemy or phantoms of next week's, going nowhere except to offend
all decent people everywhere.
On Saturday the moon moves toward the sun, or the New Moon at 10:34p PT |
1:34a(Su) | 5:34a(Su) UT. It's a winding-down day which should be quite
pleasant. Maybe you have a right to relax, rest, and do what you please for a
while.
There is beauty and light-heartedness, if not light-headedness. You care about
a major project, and need not abandon it, but your way of pursuing it could be
spontaneous or vacillating, with no worries.
A solitary side of you may desire companionship but is not willing to settle
for anything less than an ideal, and therefore content to dream away, perhaps
sensuous or
erotic dreams, rather than submit to relationships of a dreary kind.
You have enough personal dignity and self-respect to take your time moving
toward basic goals. You know you will be respected if you are persistent and
honorable.
When feeling isolated, you still attempt to be a part of the human race, through
entertainment perhaps or a religious-spiritual approach, ritual of a sort.
When you feel your talents are unrecognized and you are given too little in
return for labor, you might feel resentful but are more likely to realize that
resentment would just ruin your day. You know somewhere deep inside that your
integrity, known to yourself, is enough to keep you happy, so you press on with
activities and interests unworried about the world's opinion or reaction.
{Saturday} {Restful Regeneration}
Cosmic Piper
[FairfieldLife] Re: Article for John (jr_esq)
Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@... wrote: On the flip side, I also had a real aha! experience one time when I was finally able to grasp some argument you were making that was totally a case of the devil being in the details. I think sometimes you juggle more facets of an issue than some people can handle. I think you've nailed it. Do I want to commit the amount of mind power it takes to engage Judy in the rigorous disecting she often brings to a discussion? No, I'm not up to it. But often when people site some supposed egregious comment or intent on her part, I don't see it. I do think that people get mad at being on the losing end of an argument with her. On the other hand, it doesn't seem like much of victory or accomplishment to win these skirmishes.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Article for John (jr_esq)
I don't respond to Auth's posts since she's impeccably logical and has long been one of my teachers! A more fun pasttime is blasting the illogical people; but this is only for kicks...we're all companions in this ship of Fools. It looks like we're not getting Raptured, and we will be Left Behind; so there's not much to do but wait around to 12-31-12. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sun...@... wrote: Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: On the flip side, I also had a real aha! experience one time when I was finally able to grasp some argument you were making that was totally a case of the devil being in the details. I think sometimes you juggle more facets of an issue than some people can handle. I think you've nailed it. Do I want to commit the amount of mind power it takes to engage Judy in the rigorous disecting she often brings to a discussion? No, I'm not up to it. But often when people site some supposed egregious comment or intent on her part, I don't see it. I do think that people get mad at being on the losing end of an argument with her. On the other hand, it doesn't seem like much of victory or accomplishment to win these skirmishes.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Article for John (jr_esq)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: snip See Judy. See Judy come back, swinging. See most people ignore Judy. Yeah, except for Rick, Alex, Patrick, Hugo, Mike, Shemp, Bhairitu, Edg, Card, Nabby, John, Raunchy, Offworld, PaliGap, Robert, WillyTex, Meow13, even Ruth sometimes (not to mention Sal, do.rkflex, Barry, and azgray). At least, that we know of, because they all comment on my posts. I don't grok the look at how we're ignoring Judy! posts at all. What's the point when posting them is explicitly *not* ignoring you? It's the adult equivalent of You can't see me because I have my eyes closed. Inane. That said, I have experienced being on the losing end of an intellectual battle with you, back in the AMT days, and my recollection is that my final response was a lame attempt to save face with a blustery comment, completely devoid of substance, when I knew damn well that I'd just had my ass handed to me on a platter. It's not fun being shredded by your unbelievably sharp intellect; it must be extremely frustrating to be shredded over and over again, year after year. I can't imagine what I would have shredded you for, of all people, but I'll take your word for it. Sorry! And I really don't think my intellect is all *that* sharp; I'm no smarter than a lot of folks here. Lawson's intelligence used to just blow me away. He's one of the smartest people I've ever encountered. (Delia, back on alt.m.t, is another. When she was into dismantling somebody's arguments, she didn't just shred, she *pulverized*.) What I *do* see here is a great deal of intellectual laziness and sloppiness, people not using the brains they have. I just find that appalling. On the flip side, I also had a real aha! experience one time when I was finally able to grasp some argument you were making that was totally a case of the devil being in the details. Gee, I'd love to know what that was about-- do you remember at all? I think sometimes you juggle more facets of an issue than some people can handle. Again, I don't believe they couldn't if they, you know, put their minds to it. They're too easily satisfied, too comfortable in their shallowness.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Article for John (jr_esq)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sun...@... wrote: Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: On the flip side, I also had a real aha! experience one time when I was finally able to grasp some argument you were making that was totally a case of the devil being in the details. I think sometimes you juggle more facets of an issue than some people can handle. I think you've nailed it. Do I want to commit the amount of mind power it takes to engage Judy in the rigorous disecting she often brings to a discussion? No, I'm not up to it. I don't believe you aren't up to it. But often when people site some supposed egregious comment or intent on her part, I don't see it. I do think that people get mad at being on the losing end of an argument with her. On the other hand, it doesn't seem like much of victory or accomplishment to win these skirmishes. It's not. It's not even a matter of winning.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Article for John (jr_esq)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifux...@... wrote: I don't respond to Auth's posts since she's impeccably logical and has long been one of my teachers! blush Back atcha.
[FairfieldLife] 'Ho White and the Seven Dwarves'
'Ho White and the Seven Dwarves' beer advert angers Disney' A beer advertisment featuring a ranchy version of Snow White has reportedly raised the ire of Disney. Published: 7:00AM BST 16 Oct 2009 The link to Snow White in the advertisement has reportedly angered Disney. Photo: adelaidenow.com.au The x-rated advertisement, for Jamieson's Raspberry Ale, depicts the fairytale heroine blowing smoke rings while lying in bed with seven semi-clad dwarves. In this Disney dystopia, Snow White has been renamed Ho White, while the loveable dwarves Sleepy, Happy and Doc are rebranded Filthy, Smarmy and Randy - supposedly to represent different types of drinkers. Related Articles Technology tie-ups have a habit of crashing Burger King apology to Hindus for advert Electric cars can't run without electricity from polluting power stations Cutting interest and printing money do not help businesses to fill order books Facebook and Google turn to booze to raise money during economic downturn Campaign creators The Foundry claimed the idea was to convince Australian drinkers that the fruit-flavoured beer was anything but sweet. However, the advertisement has reportedly angered Disney, the entertainment giant which licenses Snow White. The Foundry said it had had a little bit of contact with Disney over the issue, according to Sydney's Daily Telegraph newspaper. The Foundry's website had featured pictures of Ho White but links to the campaign appeared to have been disabled and the campaign's official website, anythingbutsweet.com, could not be accessed. Australia's Food Week website speculated that this may be due to a copyright infringement. Disney, which released the famous animated Snow White feature in 1937, was not immediately available for comment. However, it is unlikely that the company, which runs the family-friendly Disney theme parks and is known for its cartoon feature films aimed at children, would agree to Snow White's image being used to sell beer.
