Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: WARNING - TM mantra information!
I did not mentioned bijas... I referred your question to the fact that in Upanishads the principle about nick names is described. So stick to the subject Willy! 2009/12/14 WillyTex willy...@yahoo.com But, how did the Gods get the 'nick-names'? Zoran Krneta wrote: So you did not read Upanishads! Are there any bija mantras mentioned in any of the major Upanishads? I think not, Zoran. The bija mantras are mentioned in the Tantras, which came much later during the Gupta Age in India. There are no bijas in the Rig Veda or in any of the major Upanishads. The alphabet wasn't used in India until the time of the Ashokan Pillars, (circa 200 BC). So, assuming that the bijas were based on the letters of the alphabet, their use would be after Pannini.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mambo Dog
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQr8UWuVefA Cracked me up!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Are you easily disgusted?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: [snip] Two different types of disgust, as noted. Abortion is a case in point. Abortion is perceived by conservatives as icky, viscerally disgusting; abortion rights advocates don't. They perceive forcing a woman to bear a child she doesn't want as ethically disgusting. [snip] Um, no. An appeal to the conservative in readers would involve an attempt to invoke *visceral* disgust, not ethical disgust. Just thinking back to that piece of research (and I haven't read it). My first reaction is that it's one of those tacks that tries to present the opposition as *having something wrong with them*. Not good methinks. But leaving that aside - the conjecture seems to be transparently false! In fact the reverse is just as likely true (if anything) I'd say - but with the caveat that I can only go on the situation in the UK. Here, it is the Right that are thought of as the less squeamish, and less prone to reactionary disgust. It is the Right that supports hunting with hounds for example (recently banned by the disgusted metropolitan left who prefer culling by shooting). Here it is generally leftish liberals (bearded, sandal-wearing, Guardian-reading pinkos as some would have it) who tend to be vegetarian. The Right pride themselves on their love of the squishy bits - brains, tripe and any old offal they can get their muddy, bloody hands on. Us Brits have our famous class system. Funnily enough it's the middle classes that you would expect to suffer from visceral disgust the most - the aristos are notoriously unsqueamish about hygiene and all things icky - and of course they are generally associated with the Right. And what about capital punishment? Is it not the Right that wouldn't just top 'em - they'd be happy to hang, draw and quarter them in some cases? Where does the impetus for clinical, humane, completely non-icky execution techniques come from? The Left or the Right? Here's a thought experiment. Why shouldn't the guillotine be brought back for capital punishment (in those States/countries that still do this thing)? It's certainly quick and probably painless. But it's definitely rather viscerally disgusting! Who would that most likely put off, a Leftie or a Rightie? All of which may only go to show (if anything) that the original research sounds like a pretty preposterous piece of pseudo-science? Not that I think anyone here was directly trying to advocate it. And maybe I am misunderstanding it.
[FairfieldLife] Deregulation, Disaster and Denial
Disaster and Denialby Paul Krugman Talk to conservatives about the financial crisis and you enter an alternative, bizarro universe in which government bureaucrats, not greedy bankers, caused the meltdown. It's a universe in which government-sponsored lending agencies triggered the crisis, even though private lenders actually made the vast majority of subprime loans. It's a universe in which regulators coerced bankers into making loans to unqualified borrowers, even though only one of the top 25 subprime lenders was subject to the regulations in question. When I first began writing for The Times, I was naïve about many things. But my biggest misconception was this: I actually believed that influential people could be moved by evidence, that they would change their views if events completely refuted their beliefs. [0] Fred R. Conrad/The New York Times Paul Krugman And to be fair, it does happen now and then. I've been highly critical of Alan Greenspan over the years (since long before it was fashionable), but give the former Fed chairman credit: he has admitted that he was wrong about the ability of financial markets to police themselves. But he's a rare case. Just how rare was demonstrated by what happened last Friday in the House of Representatives, when with the meltdown caused by a runaway financial system still fresh in our minds, and the mass unemployment that meltdown caused still very much in evidence every single Republican and 27 Democrats voted against a quite modest effort to rein in Wall Street excesses. Let's recall how we got into our current mess. America emerged from the Great Depression with a tightly regulated banking system. The regulations worked: the nation was spared major financial crises for almost four decades after World War II. But as the memory of the Depression faded, bankers began to chafe at the restrictions they faced. And politicians, increasingly under the influence of free-market ideology, showed a growing willingness to give bankers what they wanted. The first big wave of deregulation took place under Ronald Reagan and quickly led to disaster, in the form of the savings-and-loan crisis of the 1980s. Taxpayers ended up paying more than 2 percent of G.D.P., the equivalent of around $300 billion today, to clean up the mess. But the proponents of deregulation were undaunted, and in the decade leading up to the current crisis politicians in both parties bought into the notion that New Deal-era restrictions on bankers were nothing but pointless red tape. In a memorable 2003 incident, top bank regulators staged a photo-op in which they used garden shears and a chainsaw to cut up stacks of paper representing regulations. And the bankers liberated both by legislation that removed traditional restrictions and by the hands-off attitude of regulators who didn't believe in regulation responded by dramatically loosening lending standards. The result was a credit boom and a monstrous real estate bubble, followed by the worst economic slump since the Great Depression. Ironically, the effort to contain the crisis required government intervention on a much larger scale than would have been needed to prevent the crisis in the first place: government rescues of troubled institutions, large-scale lending by the Federal Reserve to the private sector, and so on. Given this history, you might have expected the emergence of a national consensus in favor of restoring more-effective financial regulation, so as to avoid a repeat performance. But you would have been wrong. Talk to conservatives about the financial crisis and you enter an alternative, bizarro universe in which government bureaucrats, not greedy bankers, caused the meltdown. It's a universe in which government-sponsored lending agencies triggered the crisis, even though private lenders actually made the vast majority of subprime loans. It's a universe in which regulators coerced bankers into making loans to unqualified borrowers, even though only one of the top 25 subprime lenders was subject to the regulations in question. Oh, and conservatives simply ignore the catastrophe in commercial real estate: in their universe the only bad loans were those made to poor people and members of minority groups, because bad loans to developers of shopping malls and office towers don't fit the narrative. In part, the prevalence of this narrative reflects the principle enunciated by Upton Sinclair: It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on his not understanding it. As Democrats have pointed out, three days before the House vote on banking reform Republican leaders met with more than 100 financial-industry lobbyists to coordinate strategies. == The House GOP leadership 'met with more than 100 lobbyists at the Capitol Visitors Center' yesterday to strategize about how to kill financial reform legislation. http://www.rollcall.com/news/41311-1.html NOTE IN
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO pulling out of FF?
A Courts-Martial 1) Sale of 600 prime acres of failed farming. 2)Sale of Folded school building. Transcendental Rajas do inquiries into failed management of Transcendental Meditation Projects.Patrick Peel vacuum cleaner salesman failed farm Manager. Ashley Deen failed school master. Relieved, of duty. Dishonorable dis-charges given? Probably not, but the evident TM verdict: the sale of their projects. No doubt was gut-wrenching discovery and deliberation by the Rajas weighing these failed assignments. Who originally hired these people? Oversaw their work? How did that go? More dismissals coming from the courts of inquiry? Failed farming Apparently by the Wins to Schayfer to Peel. Nice equipment bought. Made lots of hay and failed at marketing. Equipment sold. Global Country selling land. Transcription of the proceedings? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: ...or just downsizing? They're auctioning off 1/3 of their FF land holdings. http://download.globalcountry.net/emailing/ 2009_12_10_auction_announcement.pdf Dear Supporters of Invincible America, It is a great joy to announce that on Tuesday, December 15th beginning at 10:00 a.m. CST, Global Country of World Peace will make available for sale at auction one of the most beautiful buildings in our Invincible America community and a number of parcels of organic farmland totaling 600 acres. This auction will continue Tuesday afternoon and Wednesday morning. Please see the announcement for details of when each parcel will be sold. Since Global Country of World Peace owns quite a lot of land in the community we want to make about 1/3 of it available for those who wish to take advantage of prime organic real estate along Route 1 and inside Maharishi Vedic City for development, organic agriculture or residential or commercial uses. We feel this will help stimulate faster growth in the community and make property available contiguous to Maharishi University of Management, between MUM and Maharishi Vedic City, and within Maharishi Vedic City. In addition, proceeds of the sale of these properties will be used to support Global Country of World Peace Movement activities in the community and around the country.
[FairfieldLife] Where does all the money go?
[FairfieldLife] Palin's own 'Climate-gate'
Palin's own 'Climate-gate' [Sarah Palin at a book-signing event Thursday in Coeur d'Alene, Idaho.] Sarah Palin at a book-signing event Thursday in Coeur d'Alene, Idaho. (Jerome A. Pollos/associated Press) By Eugene Robinson http://projects.washingtonpost.com/staff/articles/eugene+robinson/ Tuesday, December 15, 2009 Sarah Palin is such a cold-eyed skeptic about the Copenhagen summit on climate change that it's no surprise she would call on President Obama not to attend.After all, Obama might join other leaders in acknowledging that warming is a global challenge. He might entertain opportunities to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. He might even explore ways to participate in carbon-trading markets. Oh, wait. Those quotes aren't from some smug Euro-socialist manifesto. They're from an administrative order http://gov.state.ak.us/admin-orders/238.html Palin signed in September 2007, as governor of Alaska, establishing a sub-Cabinet of top state officials to develop a strategy for dealing with climate change. Back then, Palin was the governor of a state where coastal erosion, thawing permafrost, retreating sea ice, record forest fires, and other changes are affecting, and will continue to affect, the lifestyles and livelihoods of Alaskans, as she wrote. Faced with that reality, she sensibly formed the high-level working group to chart a course of action. Climate change is not just an environmental issue, wrote Palin. It is also a social, cultural, and economic issue important to all Alaskans. Palin mentioned having created the climate change unit in an op-ed http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/08/AR20091\ 20803402.html she wrote last week for The Post. What she didn't acknowledge was the contrast between what she says about climate change now and what she said -- and did -- about it as governor of our most at-risk state. When she was in office, Palin treated the issue as serious, complex and worthy of urgent attention. Now that she's the iconic leader of a populist movement that reacts with anger at the slightest whiff of pointy-headed, one world intellectualism, she writes as if the idea of seeking ways to mitigate climate change is a crock. Alaska's climate is warming, Palin wrote to Alaskans in a July 2008 newsletter http://www.climatechange.alaska.gov/docs/govrpt_jul08.pdf . While there have been warming and cooling trends before, climatologists tell us that the current rate of warming is unprecedented within the time of human civilization. Many experts predict that Alaska, along with our northern latitude neighbors, will warm at a faster pace than any other areas, and the warming will continue for decades. In her administrative order, Palin instructed the sub-Cabinet group to develop recommendations on the opportunities to reduce greenhouse gas emissions from Alaska sources, including the expanded use of alternative fuels, energy conservation, energy efficiency, renewable energy, land use management, and transportation planning. She also instructed the group to look into carbon-trading markets. But in her op-ed last week, Palin -- while acknowledging natural, cyclical environmental trends and the possibility that human activity might be contributing to warming -- states flatly that any potential benefits of proposed emissions reduction policies are far outweighed by their economic costs. What she once called carbon-trading markets she now denounces as the Democrats' cap-and-tax proposal. Palin cites the Climate-gate e-mail scandal as reason enough for the president to skip the Copenhagen summit. I've written about those e-mails http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/25/AR20091\ 12503608.html and why, despite what skeptics say, they do not begin to prove that climate science is fraudulent, politicized or fundamentally flawed. The most compelling evidence for climate change is found in the Arctic, and Palin has seen it firsthand. In her 2008 newsletter, Palin mentioned one coastal village, Newtok, that would have to be relocated because of flooding due to the effects of warmer temperatures. Since then, relocation plans have been developed for two more towns, Shishmaref and Kivalina. The Army Corps of Engineers has identified more than 160 villages that are threatened, according to a recent newsletter from Palin's successor, Gov. Sean Parnell. At least 31 are judged to be in imminent peril. In case anyone was wondering, Palin's home town of Wasilla sits at an elevation of 333 feet -- high and dry. The chairman of the Cabinet working group that Palin assembled to develop a climate change strategy, Larry Hartig, is scheduled to deliver a presentation http://www.climatechange.alaska.gov/docs/Hartig_COP-15_11Dec09.pdf at Copenhagen. Posted in advance on the Internet, the presentation shows that Alaskans aren't just fretting about the abstract possibility of effects from warming. They're dealing with a real, live situation. I predict
[FairfieldLife] Where does all the money go? Don't Blame the Republicans
In an attempt to sound less in the back pocket of the banking industry, Obama gave a speech and television appearance (yes, another one)actually more like a lecture to the financial industry. He wants them to lend more and arbitrage less. Good luck with the begging!!! I doubt the artful dodger is going to sound very populist even with the shiny words. Here's the NY Times take. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/15/business/economy/15obama.html?_r=1 If the banks came hat in hand to Washington a year ago to assure their survival, they returned on Monday in a much stronger position to deal with the government. As they scurry to repay the government and escape its influence over their operations, they have been fighting elements of legislation to regulate their industry more tightly. At the same time, the banks are seeking to restore executive pay http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/e/executiv\ e_pay/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier to high levels and asserting that the government's demand that they hold bigger financial buffers against possible losses makes it hard for them to issue more loans. During the hourlong meeting in the Roosevelt Room of the White House, Mr. Obama prodded the executives to stop fighting the regulation legislation intended to deal with the problems that led to the financial crisis http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/c/credit_c\ risis/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier , White House officials said. It certainly would have been a lot more useful to do this when he first took office and they still had their TARP funds. It's really obvious their doing whatever they can to protect their bonus class status and finger wagging isn't going to stop it. Marshall Auerback http://www.newdeal20.org/?author=48 , a fund manager and investment strategist who writes for New Deal 2.0 http://www.newdeal20.org/ and guests for Naked Capitalism says Obama is all hat, no cattle. http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2009/12/obama%E2%80%99s-newfound-populis\ m-all-hat-no-cattle.html President Obama is taking a sharp, populist tone with Wall Street and scolding the ways of Washington. Once again, he is looking to the Senate to follow the House and pass a top legislative priority: sweeping financial regulatory reform. It might feel satisfying to hear the President criticize reckless, fat cat bankers, but the financial reform legislation passed by the House last Friday (and lauded by the President) provides little incentive to change their behavior. In reality, populism with nothing of substance behind it is just cynical posturing designed to mask genuine failure. To use an expression favored by his predecessor, this president is once again showing himself to be all hat, no cattle. Appealing to the peanut gallery at this stage is an insult to the voters' intelligence. The most telling comment on the latest reforms came from the stock market: Bank stocks ended the day higher last Friday (when the House bill was passed to great fanfare), with the KBW Banks index slightly outperforming the benchmark Dow Jones industrial average. Yup, exactly what I thought. Wall Street rallied and bank stocks are up. Just the same way that health insurance company stocks are soaring. Can you say WINDFALL PROFITS and BONUSES? While the jobless rates is still in the stratosphere we have ongoing bailouts for the bonus class and hot windfilled speeches from POTUS. Let's remember, last spring he said he wouldn't sign any health care reform that didn't include the public option and said it was time to pass meaningful financial market regulation. Any one checked the presidential rearend lately? Is it on fire? Does any one believe what he says any more? Let's see From Contrarian Profits: Obama to the fools: Duct tape will fix it. http://www.contrarianprofits.com/articles/obama-to-the-fools-duct-tape-\ will-fix-it/21203 From Yves Smith at Naked Capitalism: Yes, Obama is Getting Serious About Banks. He is Now Calling Them Bad Names! http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2009/12/yes-obama-is-getting-serious-abo\ ut-banks-he-is-now-calling-them-bad-names.html From Sean Broderick at Common Wisdom who channels Taibbi: Obama's Big Sellout, and Other Stories http://blogs.uncommonwisdomdaily.com/red-hot-energy-and-gold/obamas-big\ -sellout-and-other-stories/ http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2009/12/15/tuesday-morning-coffee-and\ -links-15/ http://blogs.uncommonwisdomdaily.com/red-hot-energy-and-gold/obamas-big\ -sellout-and-other-stories/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: WARNING - TM mantra information!
On Dec 15, 2009, at 2:47 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: ...in fact I would operate under the assumption, esp. in my post TM Org days where the obsession was are you witnessing yet?--to the point of hyper-vigilance. And the people who wish themselves into some dissociative witnessing state. Higher? No. Better? Not. It's just lazy wording on my part. I operate under the rough assumption that some people, probably a minority, may have some gist of where I'm coming from. I find on a predominantly TMer mindset list, most people won't get where I'm coming from and don't care to remove themselves from their TC-CC-GC-UC dreams long enough to care to shift paradigms. Many CAN'T shift mindsets. They're too stuck in theirs. While I may agree, I'd prefer to keep this more of a philosophical or idea thread and less of a bash TM thread, so I'll pass on any comments. Then consider this the idea that people get stuck in their mindsets to the exclusion of other ways of seeing. Transcend and include vs. transcend and exclude. What if ALL states of consciousness were on exactly the same level? What if NONE of them were superior to any other on any level? Would that fuck with your world view? It would not fuck with mine. Again, it would depend how you defined level. If you meant I take all experiences in equanimity, I'd probably agree with you. But if you took it to mean all experiential points-of-view are the same, I'd probably disagree. So would I. I wouldn't ever suggest that they were all the same, or even that they were all equally desirable given personal preference and personal goals. I would just dispute that there is any cosmic goal that places one higher than another. It would be a potentially worthless waste of time. In your opinion. Not in mine. Is your opinion better than mine? :-) Well, again, it would depend on whether or not you felt time was important or not. And again, whether time was important or not depends on whether you think there is a goal to be accom- plished or not. But the actual proof is in realization of the nondual experience of swarodaya, the arising of letters--either directly or via a close friend--which is not seen through eyes in the ordinary sense, but seen through your rigpa. When in doubt, trot out jargon. :-) Not meaning to give you in particular a hard time, Vaj. I'm just being honest here. I see neither value nor truth in the Woo-Woo approach to such things. I'm a spiritual pragmatist. If it works, I don't have to make up stories about how or why it works. Good, you shouldn't. It either works or it doesn't. Very scientific. And, as with science, you use appropriate terminology where necessary. My definition of appropriate means that the terminology used is inclusive, not exclusive. Using terms that exclude those not intimately familiar with those terms is not science but eltitism. There are ways of saying the same things that are inclusive. The use of words foreign to one's culture has a number of benefits: specificity, cross-cultural education, cultural preservation, brevity and introduction of foreign ideas to a culture. It might be preferable for some to say it's the sum of your actions, of the past, the present and the stored actions in your subconscious creating effects in the present and in the future and the effects of your current actions on the future but it may be easier to simply say it's your karma dude. Of course the advantage is that once people hear a word or phrase enough times, even foreign words become part of another cultures lingo, n'est-ce pas? Polyglottiphobia has it's disadvantages. If there are not appropriate terms in your native language, then I borrow them from languages that have an appropriately sophisticated vocabulary for what I'm describing. I believe there are *always* appropriate terms in anyone's language that are inclusive. Not if the framework or system of understanding for specific words does not exist in that language. Can one go through some convoluted gymnastics to fit the round peg of another culture and mindset into one's own square-holed xenophobic comfort zone? Sure. But some thing's always lost in the translation. And sometimes what's lost is the originating culture itself, not just the meaning and context. Consider Israel. A country largely kept alive through occupation by eastern European Jews. Is there an advantage to making the official language of the country Hebrew as opposed to German or English? Consider Tibet under Chinese occupation. Chinese relocation policies filled the country with Chinese speaking settlers. The traditional Tibetan education system is replaced by the Chinese language. In either case, the danger is the same: cultural genocide vs. cultural preservation. Extinction vs. survival. Expand or die. Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious used to be atrocious, but now
[FairfieldLife] Golden Globe nominations
The Golden Globe nominations are out: http://www.imdb.com/features/rto/2010/globes http://www.imdb.com/features/rto/2010/globes Lots of movies that we haven't seen yet because they hasn't been released. One assumes that the Hollywood Foreign Press has seen them in private showings or via Blu-Ray. The big award categories are: Best Motion Picture - Drama: Avatar (2009) The Hurt Locker (2008) Inglourious Basterds (2009) Precious: Based on the Novel Push by Sapphire (2009) Up in the Air (2009/I) Best Motion Picture - Musical or Comedy: (500) Days of Summer (2009) The Hangover (2009) It's Complicated (2009) Julie Julia (2009) Nine (2009) Best Television Series - Drama: Big Love (2006) Dexter (2006) House M.D. (2004) Mad Men (2007) True Blood (2008) Best Television Series - Musical or Comedy: Entourage (2004) Glee (2009) The Office (2005) Modern Family (2009) 30 Rock (2006) Best Mini-Series or Motion Picture Made for Television: Georgia O'Keeffe (2009) (TV) Grey Gardens (2009) (TV) Into the Storm (2009) (TV) Little Dorrit (2008) Taking Chance (2009) (TV) I'm happy that both Michael C. Hall and John Lithgow were nominated as Best Actor/Best Supporting Actor for Dexter. It would have been a crime more heinous than any of Dexter's if they had not been. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Are you easily disgusted?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: [snip] Two different types of disgust, as noted. Abortion is a case in point. Abortion is perceived by conservatives as icky, viscerally disgusting; abortion rights advocates don't. They perceive forcing a woman to bear a child she doesn't want as ethically disgusting. [snip] Um, no. An appeal to the conservative in readers would involve an attempt to invoke *visceral* disgust, not ethical disgust. Just thinking back to that piece of research (and I haven't read it). My first reaction is that it's one of those tacks that tries to present the opposition as *having something wrong with them*. Not good methinks. But leaving that aside - the conjecture seems to be transparently false! In fact the reverse is just as likely true (if anything) I'd say - but with the caveat that I can only go on the situation in the UK. Here, it is the Right that are thought of as the less squeamish, and less prone to reactionary disgust. It is the Right that supports hunting with hounds for example (recently banned by the disgusted metropolitan left who prefer culling by shooting). Here it is generally leftish liberals (bearded, sandal-wearing, Guardian-reading pinkos as some would have it) who tend to be vegetarian. The Right pride themselves on their love of the squishy bits - brains, tripe and any old offal they can get their muddy, bloody hands on. Us Brits have our famous class system. Funnily enough it's the middle classes that you would expect to suffer from visceral disgust the most - the aristos are notoriously unsqueamish about hygiene and all things icky - and of course they are generally associated with the Right. And what about capital punishment? Is it not the Right that wouldn't just top 'em - they'd be happy to hang, draw and quarter them in some cases? Where does the impetus for clinical, humane, completely non-icky execution techniques come from? The Left or the Right? Here's a thought experiment. Why shouldn't the guillotine be brought back for capital punishment (in those States/countries that still do this thing)? It's certainly quick and probably painless. But it's definitely rather viscerally disgusting! Who would that most likely put off, a Leftie or a Rightie? I can see it now: Volunteers needed for the guillotine to study visceral disgust Brilliant. Probably painless? All of which may only go to show (if anything) that the original research sounds like a pretty preposterous piece of pseudo-science? Not that I think anyone here was directly trying to advocate it. And maybe I am misunderstanding it. Jack Block's study Whiners grow up to be conservative was viral on the internet during the Bush years. Perhaps visceral reaction to icky bodily functions goes hand in hand-wringing hand with whining. I don't know. Maybe it's all just a bunch a propaganda to demonize the right or to make the left feel holier than thou. Judy made a distinction between visceral and ethical disgust using abortion as an example. Conservatives could argue they find abortion ethically disgusting as well as viscerally disgusting. It's easy to put the shoe on the other foot when a study makes generalizations pitting one group against another as you have clearly demonstrated from your British perspective. When I first read Rick's post I kept waiting for a punchline like, If conservatives find bodily functions icky, it follows that liberals don't mind BO and farting. ;-) http://majikthise.typepad.com/majikthise_/2006/03/whiners_grow_up.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Are you easily disgusted?
By the way who the hell is Noel Inbar? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: [snip] Two different types of disgust, as noted. Abortion is a case in point. Abortion is perceived by conservatives as icky, viscerally disgusting; abortion rights advocates don't. They perceive forcing a woman to bear a child she doesn't want as ethically disgusting. [snip] Um, no. An appeal to the conservative in readers would involve an attempt to invoke *visceral* disgust, not ethical disgust. Just thinking back to that piece of research (and I haven't read it). My first reaction is that it's one of those tacks that tries to present the opposition as *having something wrong with them*. Not good methinks. But leaving that aside - the conjecture seems to be transparently false! In fact the reverse is just as likely true (if anything) I'd say - but with the caveat that I can only go on the situation in the UK. Here, it is the Right that are thought of as the less squeamish, and less prone to reactionary disgust. It is the Right that supports hunting with hounds for example (recently banned by the disgusted metropolitan left who prefer culling by shooting). Here it is generally leftish liberals (bearded, sandal-wearing, Guardian-reading pinkos as some would have it) who tend to be vegetarian. The Right pride themselves on their love of the squishy bits - brains, tripe and any old offal they can get their muddy, bloody hands on. Us Brits have our famous class system. Funnily enough it's the middle classes that you would expect to suffer from visceral disgust the most - the aristos are notoriously unsqueamish about hygiene and all things icky - and of course they are generally associated with the Right. And what about capital punishment? Is it not the Right that wouldn't just top 'em - they'd be happy to hang, draw and quarter them in some cases? Where does the impetus for clinical, humane, completely non-icky execution techniques come from? The Left or the Right? Here's a thought experiment. Why shouldn't the guillotine be brought back for capital punishment (in those States/countries that still do this thing)? It's certainly quick and probably painless. But it's definitely rather viscerally disgusting! Who would that most likely put off, a Leftie or a Rightie? All of which may only go to show (if anything) that the original research sounds like a pretty preposterous piece of pseudo-science? Not that I think anyone here was directly trying to advocate it. And maybe I am misunderstanding it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Are you easily disgusted?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: [snip] Two different types of disgust, as noted. Abortion is a case in point. Abortion is perceived by conservatives as icky, viscerally disgusting; abortion rights advocates don't. They perceive forcing a woman to bear a child she doesn't want as ethically disgusting. [snip] Um, no. An appeal to the conservative in readers would involve an attempt to invoke *visceral* disgust, not ethical disgust. Just thinking back to that piece of research (and I haven't read it). I meant, and forgot, to include a caveat that I was assuming the results were accurate for the sake of argument (i.e., that Barry's commentary made no sense in light of the reported results), but that I didn't find it all that convincing on its own terms. My first reaction is that it's one of those tacks that tries to present the opposition as *having something wrong with them*. Not good methinks. I tracked down the study on the Web site of one of the authors (Inbar), who's a post-doctoral fellow at Harvard's Kennedy School of Government. He's quite young, just 10 years out of college (UCal-Berkeley, which has a reputation for leftism). That seems like it could be consistent with your speculation. Here's the study: http://files.yoelinbar.net/disgust_conservatism.pdf I read it, but it's too heavy on statistics for me to evaluate its validity. I didn't notice any judgmentalism in the discussion, but that doesn't mean it didn't underlie the authors' approach. Have a look and see what you think. It was published in the journal Cognition and Emotion. No idea what its reputation is. But leaving that aside - the conjecture seems to be transparently false! In fact the reverse is just as likely true (if anything) I'd say - but with the caveat that I can only go on the situation in the UK. snip interesting examples I'd be curious to know what the results would be if the same study were performed on UK subjects. It wouldn't surprise me if they were a lot different. I'd be suprised if they weren't, in fact. Us Brits have our famous class system. Funnily enough it's the middle classes that you would expect to suffer from visceral disgust the most - the aristos are notoriously unsqueamish about hygiene and all things icky - and of course they are generally associated with the Right. I don't think that's the case here. My impression is that U.S.-ians generally are repulsed by ickiness, and we're fiends about hygiene. Also, there's not quite the same sense of privilege among the upper classes, such that they'd feel safe in transgressing cultural norms like hygiene. Indeed, poor hygiene is typically associated in the public mind with low-income folks. And what about capital punishment? Is it not the Right that wouldn't just top 'em - they'd be happy to hang, draw and quarter them in some cases? Where does the impetus for clinical, humane, completely non-icky execution techniques come from? The Left or the Right? Definitely the left here. But it's more with regard to the humane issue than the ickiness issue. I guess that's because we pretty definitively decided against icky executions some time ago. Here's a thought experiment. Why shouldn't the guillotine be brought back for capital punishment (in those States/countries that still do this thing)? It's certainly quick and probably painless. But it's definitely rather viscerally disgusting! Who would that most likely put off, a Leftie or a Rightie? If I approved of capital punishment, which I do not, it wouldn't bother me particularly, as long as I didn't have to watch it. But there's more than just the ickiness factor involved. Those who favor the death penalty tend to perceive it as vengeance, and they might well wish it to be as icky as possible for the executee. What about treatment of serious illness? We seem to be willing here to undergo the most icky sorts of procedures if there's a chance they'll prolong our lives. (Me, I'd rather exit sooner without being sliced and diced, if I could be kept comfortable until the end.) All of which may only go to show (if anything) that the original research sounds like a pretty preposterous piece of pseudo-science? Not that I think anyone here was directly trying to advocate it. Well, Barry used it as the basis for his denunciation of social activism, although he got the point of the study seriously muddled. He was more interested in the denunciation itself than in making sure it conformed to the study results. And maybe I am misunderstanding it. I don't think so, given my reading of it. It looks like it's grounded in a fair bit of previous theory and research, not just some crazy notion the authors came up with de novo. So I'm a little less dubious now that I've seen it--but again, I'm not in a position to do any serious
[FairfieldLife] Re: Where does all the money go? Don't Blame the Republicans
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: [quoting...somebody; can't figure out who:] President Obama is taking a sharp, populist tone with Wall Street and scolding the ways of Washington. Once again, he is looking to the Senate to follow the House and pass a top legislative priority: sweeping financial regulatory reform. It might feel satisfying to hear the President criticize reckless, fat cat bankers, but the financial reform legislation passed by the House last Friday (and lauded by the President) provides little incentive to change their behavior. Then why have they been lobbying so furiously to get the legislation killed? In reality, populism with nothing of substance behind it is just cynical posturing designed to mask genuine failure. Tim Fernholz at TAPPED points out that all the TARP billions given to rescue Chrysler and General Motors was for the purpose of saving hundreds of thousands of jobs. So nothing of substance is pretty hyperbolic.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Are you easily disgusted?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: When I first read Rick's post I kept waiting for a punchline like, If conservatives find bodily functions icky, it follows that liberals don't mind BO and farting. ;-) And we have Mr Icky Himself: A newly discovered document detailing a dialog between a British agent and a Nazi prisoner of rank has revealed that the German leader had extremely poor table manners. The document was unearthed in a house clearance. According to the high-ranking prisoner Hitler had a tendency to break wind, play with his mustache and chew his fingernails during meals. The document is expected to sell for upwards of $1,000 at auction. 'Hitler eats rapidly, mechanically. For him food is merely an indispensable means of subsistence. At the table and in his speech he shows many facets of rather uncouth behavior... his table manners are little short of shocking,' said the prisoner.
[FairfieldLife] Translation from Jyotish to American English, please
Sani is 06th lord placed in the 12th house. Now Sani Antardasha is going on and transiting in the 07th house in Chandra kundali. Could someone kindly translate this into American English for me, please?
[FairfieldLife] Re: WARNING - TM mantra information!
Zoran Krneta wrote: ...I referred your question to the fact that in Upanishads the principle about nick names is described. The principles of the nick-names and the bija mantras are described in the Tantras, Zoran, not in the Upanishads. A bija mantra is a nick-name of the devata. The TM bija mantras came from Guru Dev, who was a member of the Dasanami Order of the Saraswati Dandi sannyasins, founded by the Adi Shankara. Guru Dev's teacher was Swami Krishnanada Saraswati of Uttar Kashi. The Dandi sannyasins of the Saraswati Order in the Shankaracharya tradition are termed Gyan Yogis, and thay all worship the Goddess of Knowledge and Learning, Sri Saraswati. She is enthroned at the Sringeri Matha in Karnataka, South India, founded by the Adi Shankara in the ninth century AD. At Sringeri Shankara placed the image of Saraswati, which he had brought from Kashmere. She is seated in a meditative posture and depicted as having four arms. In each hand respectivly she holds the Book of Knowledge (Yajur Veda), the Mala, symbolising deep meditation, a pot, and a vina. All of the Saraswati dasanamis are adherents of the Sri Vidya sect and they follow the teachings contained in the Saunadryalahari which was composed by the Adi Shankara, containing the fifteen bija mantras. According to Vedanta, Saraswati is considered to be the feminine energy, or Adi Shakti of Brahman. Sri Vidya, that is, Auspicious Knowledge, is considered to be the symbol of the Transcendental Absolute. In addition to twice daily meditation on the bija mantra of Saraswati, the dasanamis of the Saraswati Order, perform the Saraswati Puja on the 5th day of Magha month, known as Basant Panchami. Devi Saraswati: http://tinyurl.com/yaxuhk4 Sri Yantra: http://tinyurl.com/yc9mmjt
Re: [FairfieldLife] Translation from Jyotish to American English, please
The planet Saturn is the ruler of the 6th house and Saturn is actually in the 12th house. You are in your Saturn planetary sub- period. In your chart which utilizes the Moon (Chandra) calculated as the rising sign (instead of the actual rising sign), Saturn is transiting the 7th house. (Would need to see the actual chart to see if this is the case) On Dec 15, 2009, at 10:51 AM, It's just a ride wrote: Sani is 06th lord placed in the 12th house. Now Sani Antardasha is going on and transiting in the 07th house in Chandra kundali. Could someone kindly translate this into American English for me, please?
RE: [FairfieldLife] 100 Reasons why climate change is natural
http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/shortsharpscience/2009/12/50-reasons-why-g lobal-warming.html December 15, 2009 4:16 PM 50 reasons why global warming isn't natural http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/shortsharpscience/2009/12/50-reasons-why- global-warming.html Michael Le Page, features editor A British newspaper today published a list http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/146138 of 100 reasons why global warming is natural. Here we take a quick look at the first 50 of their claims - and debunk each one. 1) There is no real scientific proof that the current warming is caused by the rise of greenhouse gases from man's activity. Technically, proof exists only http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science in mathematics, not in science. Whatever terminology you choose to use, however, there is overwhelming evidence that the current warming is caused by the http://www.newscientist.com/blog/environment/2007/05/climate-myths-special. html rise in greenhouse gases due to human activities. 2) Man-made carbon dioxide emissions throughout human history constitute less than 0.00022 per cent of the total naturally emitted from the mantle of the Earth during geological history. Misleading comparison. Since the industrial age began human emissions are far http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11638 higher than volcanic emissions. 3) Warmer periods of the Earth's history came around 800 years before rises in CO2 levels. In the past 3 million years changing levels of sunshine triggered and ended the ice ages. Carbon dioxide was a feedback that increased warming, rather than the initial cause. In the more distant past, several warming episodes http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11659 were directly triggered by CO2. 4) After world war 2, there was a huge surge in recorded CO2 emissions but global temperatures fell for four decades after 1940. In fact, temperatures fell during the 1940s and then remained roughly level until the late 1970s. The fall was partly due to high levels of pollutants such as sulphur dioxide counteracting the warming effect. 5) Throughout the Earth's history, temperatures have often been warmer than now and CO2 levels have often been higher - more than 10 times as high. Which shows that higher CO2 means higher temperatures, taking into account the fact that the sun was cooler in the past. The crucial point is that http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11647 civilisation is adapted to 20th century temperatures. 6) Significant changes in climate have continually occurred throughout geologic time. Yes http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11647 . And sea level has been up to 70 metres higher during warm periods. If that happens again, there'll be no more London or New York. 7) The 0.7 °C increase in the average global temperature over the past hundred years is entirely consistent with well-established, long-term, natural climate trends. Wrong. The rapid warming since the late 1970s has occurred even though other factors http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11650 that can warm the planet, such as the sun's intensity, have remained constant. 8) The IPCC theory is driven by just 60 scientists and favourable reviewers, not the 4000 usually cited. Untrue, as even the briefest look at the scientific literature can establish. 9) Leaked e-mails from British climate scientists - in a scandal known as climategate - suggest that that has been manipulated to exaggerate global warming Nothing in the emails http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn18238 undermines any of the key scientific conclusions. Independent groups have come to the same conclusions. 10) A large body of scientific research suggests that the sun is responsible for the greater share of climate change during the past hundred years. The sun may have contributed to the warming in the first part of the 20th century but it has not http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11650 caused the rapid warming since the late 1970s. 11) Politicians and activists claim rising sea levels are a direct cause of global warming, but sea levels have been increasing steadily since the last ice age 10,000 years ago. Wrong. Sea level rose very rapidly as the North American ice sheet melted after the last ice age but levelled off and has been nearly stable for the past 2000 years or so. Now it is starting to http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20327151.300 rise rapidly again. 12) Philip Stott, emeritus professor of biogeography at the School of Oriental and African Studies in London says climate change is too complicated to be caused by just one factor, whether CO2 or clouds. He is right. All sorts of factors affect climate, even the lead in petrol. However, the recent warming is mostly due to rising http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11462 greenhouse gases, and if we pump out more CO2 it will get even hotter. 13) Peter Lilley MP said last month that fewer people in Britain than in any other country believe in the
[FairfieldLife] Adultery: It's okay if you're a Republican
Public Policy Polling [PPP] polled South Carolina voters and took a closer look at values voters. Guess what? They're hypocrites. Values voters have less of a problem with Mark Sanford than the average South Carolinian. For example: While 45% of all South Carolina voters want Sanford to resign, only 33% of the 'moral and family values' crowd wants him to. Which led PPP's Tom Jensen to write: Where do you think these folks stood on impeaching Bill Clinton? It's clear there is forgiveness for politicians who cheat on their wives and abuse state resources to do so- as long as they're Republicans. Links here: http://snipurl.com/tp8z6 [www_americablog_com]
[FairfieldLife] Re: Where does all the money go? Don't Blame the Republicans
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: [quoting...somebody; can't figure out who:] President Obama is taking a sharp, populist tone with Wall Street and scolding the ways of Washington. Once again, he is looking to the Senate to follow the House and pass a top legislative priority: sweeping financial regulatory reform. It might feel satisfying to hear the President criticize reckless, fat cat bankers, but the financial reform legislation passed by the House last Friday (and lauded by the President) provides little incentive to change their behavior. Then why have they been lobbying so furiously to get the legislation killed? Just trolling. do.rk posted a cartoon that clearly blames only Republicans for the banksters. So after reading Riverdaughter this morning, I thought I'd take a whack at him. Other than Scolder in Chief we won't hear much from either party about regulating the banks. Congress needs to reinstate the Glass Steagall Act and that ain't happening. In reality, populism with nothing of substance behind it is just cynical posturing designed to mask genuine failure. Tim Fernholz at TAPPED points out that all the TARP billions given to rescue Chrysler and General Motors was for the purpose of saving hundreds of thousands of jobs. So nothing of substance is pretty hyperbolic.
[FairfieldLife] Pope Al Gore caught outright lying!! No fresh numbers...
Copenhagen climate summit: Al Gore condemned over Arctic ice melting prediction Al Gore, the former US Vice-President, has become embroiled in a climatechange spin row after claiming that the Arctic could be completely ice-freewithin five years. By Murray Wardrop http://www.telegraph.co.uk/journalists/murray-wardrop/ Published: 8:55AM GMT 15 Dec 2009 [Al Gore]Al Gore Photo: AP Speaking at the Copenhagen climate change summit, Mr Gore said new computermodelling suggests there is a 75 per cent chance of the entire polar ice capmelting during the summertime by 2014. However, he faced embarrassment last night after Dr Wieslav Maslowski, theclimatologist whose work the prediction was based on, refuted his claims. Dr Maslowski, of the Naval Postgraduate School in Monterey, California, told TheTimes: It's unclear to me how this figure was arrived at. I would never try to estimate likelihood at anything as exact as this.
[FairfieldLife] Why I love the Internet
Then again, I love Firefly, too. The 'net, like the 'verse in that series, is still at its heart a frontier, populated by people who don't take kindly to city folks moving in and trying to take away their rights to privacy. This story reminds me of when Sony spent several tens of millions of dollars inventing a new copy-protection scheme for its CDs. They released it, and within two days, someone had figured out a way to foil the system using a Magic Marker. Hackers brew self-destruct code to counter police forensics [Hackers brew self-destruct code to counter police forensics] Hackers have released an application designed to thwart a Microsoft-packaged forensic toolkit used by law enforcement agencies to examine a suspect's hard drive during a raid. The hacker tool, dubbed DECAF http://www.decafme.org/ , is designed to counteract the Computer Online Forensic Evidence Extractor, aka COFEE. The latter is a suite of 150 bundled, off-the-shelf forensic tools http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2008/04/microsoft-gives/ that run from a script. Microsoft combined the programs into a portable tool that can be used by law enforcement agents in the field before they bring a computer back to their forensic lab. The script runs on a USB stick that agents plug into the machine. The tools scan files and gather information about activities performed on the machine, such as where the user surfed on the internet or what files were downloaded. Someone submitted the COFEE suite to the whistleblower site Cryptome last month, prompting Microsoft lawyers to issue a take-down notice to the site. The tool was also being distributed through the BitTorrent file-sharing network. This week two unnamed hackers released DECAF http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/14/microsoft_cofee_vs_decaf/ , an application that monitors a computer for any signs that COFEE is operating on the machine. According to the Register, the program deletes temporary files or processes associated with COFEE, erases all COFEE logs, disables USB drives, and contaminates or spoofs a variety of MAC addresses to muddy forensic tracks. The hackers say that later releases of the program will allow computer owners to remotely lock down their machine once they detect that it has fallen into law enforcement hands. The hackers, however, have not released source code for the program, which would make it easy for anyone to see if the program contains malware that might also harm a computer or allow the attackers to take control of it. Update: The developers of DECAF have taken issue with Wired referring to them as hackers. We're just two developers who support the free flow of information and privacy, one of them wrote in an anonymous e-mail to Wired. You could say we're just average joes.
[FairfieldLife] Why Liberals Should Back the Health Care Bill
Ezra Klein http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2009/12/is_the_senate_healt\ h-care_refo.html : On its own terms, the bill is the largest social policy achievement since the Great Society. It will save a lot of lives and prevent a lot of suffering. But moving forward, it also makes future improvements and expansions easier. A lot of the hard work of health-care reform -- in particular, the money for subsidies -- will finish this year. If reformers want to come back for the public option or more subsidies in a future year, they won't be doing it atop a $900 billion price tag that's being battered by tea parties and industry and everyone else. This bill doesn't have all the good stuff it should have, but reformers can stop fighting for what good stuff it does have and concentrate more intently on what good stuff is left to achieve. Ezra Klein also points out http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2009/12/the_unintended_cons\ equences_of.html that reconciliation will only allow the Senate to pass all the things that Lieberman hates, like the Public Option, but we cannot use it to pass insurance and other regulatory reforms that are still in the bill. The irony is that the strange workings of the reconciliation process would strip the bill of the parts that Lieberman, Snowe and others favor and replace them with the exact policies they oppose. I say pass the Liebermanized bill and let the President sign it. Then use reconciliation to get the rest. - Tim F: http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=31238 Nate Silver http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/12/why-progressives-are-batshit-cra\ zy-to.html : For any 'progressive' who is concerned about the inequality of wealth, income and opportunity in America, this bill would be an absolutely monumental achievement. The more compelling critique, rather, is that the bill would fail to significantly 'bend the cost curve'. I don't dismiss that criticism at all, and certainly the insertion of a public option would have helped at the margins. But fundamentally, that is a critique that would traditionally be associated with the conservative side of the debate, as it ultimately goes to mounting deficits in the wake of expanded government entitlements. Jonathan Cohn http://www.tnr.com/blog/the-treatment/what-public-option-supporters-won\ : Disappointed progressives may be wondering whether their efforts were a waste. They most decidedly were not. The campaign for the public option pushed the entire debate to the left -- and, to use a military metaphor, it diverted enemy fire away from the rest of the bill. If Lieberman and his allies didn't have the public option to attack, they would have tried to gut the subsidies, the exchanges, or some other key element. They would have hacked away at the bill, until it left more people uninsured and more people under-insured. The public option is the reason that didn't happen. http://politicalwire.com/archives/2009/12/15/why_liberals_should_back_th\ e_health_care_bill.html http://politicalwire.com/archives/2009/12/15/why_liberals_should_back_t\ he_health_care_bill.html http://politicalwire.com/archives/2009/12/15/why_liberals_should_back_t\ he_health_care_bill.html
[FairfieldLife] Strange Polarities (Re: Are you easily disgusted?)
As this thread drifted from abortion to capital punishment - I had a thought(!). How far could you predict that a person who was pro life would be likely to be pro the death penalty (anti life)? And conversely, how predictable is it that someone who is pro abortion would likely to be opposed to capital punishment? If there IS some correlation here, isn't that all a little odd on the face of it? It's not that there is any logical contradiction in, say, a pro-lifer being pro death penalty. The foetus is innocent, the murderer is guilty. Or conversely, the foetus is a dependent being, but the murderer has full human rights. Still it struck me as an ironic pattern all the same (if I'm right that the pattern is there). I wonder too how you far you can make a good case for the death penalty based on the best case for abortion. That is to say that if X is 100% dependent on Y, then X does not have a right to existence if Y so chooses (if that's a fair way of expressing it). No man is an island, and just as a young foetus is not likely to survive without its mother's suppport, the same might be said for the individual in relation to Society. You might say that EVERYTHING about us is 100% dependent on Society (language for one thing). The individual is to Society as the foetus is to its mother? So if we offend Society sufficiently, why should Society tolerate our existence? Against that, you might argue OK, that's true - but modern, liberal democracies choose not to exercise that right to abort the non-conforming. Except, in the UK at least, opinion polls consistently show that given a chance to vote, the death penalty would probably get rapidy re-instated by Joe Public.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: WARNING - TM mantra information!
The principles of the nick-names and the bija mantras are described in the Tantras, Zoran, not in the Upanishads. So you did not read Upanishads carefully Willy. You don't know where in the Upanishads is the part of the text which brings out principle that Gods are pleased to be called indirectly. That is very simple to admit rather then lecturing me about something which I did not ask you. Please stick to the subject Willy!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Invincibility School with 1 000 students to be established in Mozambique
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: No, but I was in the room with President Marcos when we sieg heiled him. Every moment of that one was scripted by MMY, who was there in the Philippines, although we weren't supposed to know he was. As is your habit you are lying again. The word sieg was never used durting that event. I was there too.
[FairfieldLife] Re: WARNING - TM mantra information!
Zoran Krneta wrote: Please stick to the subject Willy! There are no bija mantras mentioned in the Rig Veda or in any of the major Upanishads, Zoran. Bija mantras are enumerated in the Tantras. We already know that the bija mantras are the 'pleasing names of God' from Billy's post and from reading Maharishi's booklet, 'Beacon Light of the Himalayas'. What we are wanting to know is where do the TM bija mantras come from. Since the bija mantras are not mentioned in the Upanishads or in the Rig Veda. We have already ruled out divine intervention, so we are now examining the historical record to find out their origin. Let's try to stay on topic, Zoran. I've read most of the Upanishads and the only one to mention this is the Mandukya Upanishad with a commentary by Gaudapada. But the monosyllable 'OM' isn't really considered to be a bija mantra.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Invincibility School with 1 000 students to be established in Mozambique
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 1:14 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Invincibility School with 1 000 students to be established in Mozambique --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer r...@... wrote: No, but I was in the room with President Marcos when we sieg heiled him. Every moment of that one was scripted by MMY, who was there in the Philippines, although we weren't supposed to know he was. As is your habit you are lying again. The word sieg was never used durting that event. I was there too. I was speaking figuratively. Of course we didn't say sieg heil. Why would we have spoken German to him? We just chanted Hail President Marcos and related phrases over and over again.
[FairfieldLife] Joe Lieberman is a terrorist
If there is anyone who is a terrorist in the United States then it has to be Joe Lieberman. What a shameful, selfish man. He is the epitome of ego and greed. He should be arrested and tried as a terrorist. This puppet of the money masters wants to stand in the way of a public option. Well he should pay the price and I'm sure he will.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Invincibility School with 1 000 students to be established in Mozambique
Could someone present Nabby with the Judy Stein Clueless To Hyperbole And Metaphor Award? I think he deserves it for this particular nitpick. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: No, but I was in the room with President Marcos when we sieg heiled him. Every moment of that one was scripted by MMY, who was there in the Philippines, although we weren't supposed to know he was. As is your habit you are lying again. The word sieg was never used durting that event. I was there too.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Why Liberals Should Back the Health Care Bill
It isn't what we want. If other first world countries in the world can have a public health care systems that work and don't tax the people to death then so can the US. Stand your ground. do.rflex wrote: Ezra Klein http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2009/12/is_the_senate_healt\ h-care_refo.html : On its own terms, the bill is the largest social policy achievement since the Great Society. It will save a lot of lives and prevent a lot of suffering. But moving forward, it also makes future improvements and expansions easier. A lot of the hard work of health-care reform -- in particular, the money for subsidies -- will finish this year. If reformers want to come back for the public option or more subsidies in a future year, they won't be doing it atop a $900 billion price tag that's being battered by tea parties and industry and everyone else. This bill doesn't have all the good stuff it should have, but reformers can stop fighting for what good stuff it does have and concentrate more intently on what good stuff is left to achieve. Ezra Klein also points out http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2009/12/the_unintended_cons\ equences_of.html that reconciliation will only allow the Senate to pass all the things that Lieberman hates, like the Public Option, but we cannot use it to pass insurance and other regulatory reforms that are still in the bill. The irony is that the strange workings of the reconciliation process would strip the bill of the parts that Lieberman, Snowe and others favor and replace them with the exact policies they oppose. I say pass the Liebermanized bill and let the President sign it. Then use reconciliation to get the rest. - Tim F: http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=31238 Nate Silver http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/12/why-progressives-are-batshit-cra\ zy-to.html : For any 'progressive' who is concerned about the inequality of wealth, income and opportunity in America, this bill would be an absolutely monumental achievement. The more compelling critique, rather, is that the bill would fail to significantly 'bend the cost curve'. I don't dismiss that criticism at all, and certainly the insertion of a public option would have helped at the margins. But fundamentally, that is a critique that would traditionally be associated with the conservative side of the debate, as it ultimately goes to mounting deficits in the wake of expanded government entitlements. Jonathan Cohn http://www.tnr.com/blog/the-treatment/what-public-option-supporters-won\ : Disappointed progressives may be wondering whether their efforts were a waste. They most decidedly were not. The campaign for the public option pushed the entire debate to the left -- and, to use a military metaphor, it diverted enemy fire away from the rest of the bill. If Lieberman and his allies didn't have the public option to attack, they would have tried to gut the subsidies, the exchanges, or some other key element. They would have hacked away at the bill, until it left more people uninsured and more people under-insured. The public option is the reason that didn't happen. http://politicalwire.com/archives/2009/12/15/why_liberals_should_back_th\ e_health_care_bill.html http://politicalwire.com/archives/2009/12/15/why_liberals_should_back_t\ he_health_care_bill.html http://politicalwire.com/archives/2009/12/15/why_liberals_should_back_t\ he_health_care_bill.html
[FairfieldLife] Cult Movie Review: Witch Hunt
I finally found a torrent of this flick and am watchng it again tonight, and chuckling at its cleverness. If you have a local DVD store with a good stock of cult films or are a Netflix member, you might want to check this one out. Witch Hunt is a little-known but really fun 1994 movie made for HBO by Paul Schrader (Cat People, American Gigolo). It stars Dennis Hopper and Penelope Ann Miller and a great supporting cast. And it's WAY fun. The scene is 1950's Los Angeles, where hard-boiled private detective H. Phillip Lovecraft (Hopper) plies his trade. It's a riff on those classic 1950's private eye movies, so as you might expect there are Chandleresque flashy blondes as clients and flamboyant dastardly villains galore. What you might not expect is the twist that makes this little gem so much fun -- it's a 1950's Los Angeles where magic is commonplace. Like the Harry Potter books much, much later, the thing that makes this movie work so well is that the magic is never the foreground. It is firmly in the background as something so accepted and *ordinary* that one barely has to comment on the fact that people are casting spells on each other right and left and the bad guys, instead of siccing a thug on the private eye, sics his zombie on him. (How Dennis Hopper deals with the zombie is one of the fun- niest bits in an already-funny film; it's a classic.) Licensed Magic Practitioners will redecorate your house for you in a flash. Literally. Or they'll cast a spell so that honey from the secretarial pool you've been lusting after will finally have a drink with you after work. Less licensed magicians use their skills for nefarious purposes. Naturally, in this world as in our own, a slimball McCarthy- esque politician (perfectly played by that master of playing slimeballs Eric Bogosian) arises to suggest that magic is a threat to our cherished American Way Of Life. (If any of you True Blue TMers think this wouldn't happen if some of your Yogic Flyers ever really flew, you've been in the ashram WAY too long.) Classic detective novel twists and turns ensue. One of the secret delights of this film is that parts of it were filmed at the Ennis-Brown house in L.A., designed by Frank Lloyd Wright. It has been used in films before and since, but never this effectively. Architectural magic. If you were ever into Raymond Chandler or the whole 1950's detective story genre, you will LOVE this film. Especially if you've also dabbled a little along the Way in the worlds of magic.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Translation from Jyotish to American English, please
On Dec 15, 2009, at 9:51 AM, It's just a ride wrote: Sani is 06th lord placed in the 12th house. Now Sani Antardasha is going on and transiting in the 07thhouse in Chandra kundali. Could someone kindly translate this into American English for me, please? All this spiritual crap is giving me a headache... I need a glass of wine, quick. You're welcome. :) Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: WARNING - TM mantra information!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: Zoran Krneta wrote: Please stick to the subject Willy! There are no bija mantras mentioned in the Rig Veda or in any of the major Upanishads, Zoran. Bija mantras are enumerated in the Tantras. We already know that the bija mantras are the 'pleasing names of God' from Billy's post and from reading Maharishi's booklet, 'Beacon Light of the Himalayas'. What we are wanting to know is where do the TM bija mantras come from. Since the bija mantras are not mentioned in the Upanishads or in the Rig Veda. We have already ruled out divine intervention, so we are now examining the historical record to find out their origin. Let's try to stay on topic, Zoran. I've read most of the Upanishads and the only one to mention this is the Mandukya Upanishad with a commentary by Gaudapada. But the monosyllable 'OM' isn't really considered to be a bija mantra. We also know that bija mantras can be found in tantra for sure, there is even a TM mantra there, but I won't say what it is. The sounds of the Chakras below: http://www.sanatansociety.org/index.htm
[FairfieldLife] Strange Polarities (Re: Are you easily disgusted?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost...@... wrote: As this thread drifted from abortion to capital punishment - I had a thought(!). How far could you predict that a person who was pro life would be likely to be pro the death penalty (anti life)? And conversely, how predictable is it that someone who is pro abortion Nobody is pro abortion. Try pro abortion rights or pro right to choose or just pro choice. would likely to be opposed to capital punishment? Dunno the stats, but I'd bet they're at least somewhat correlated (in both cases). If there IS some correlation here, isn't that all a little odd on the face of it? It's not that there is any logical contradiction in, say, a pro-lifer being pro death penalty. The foetus is innocent, the murderer is guilty. Or conversely, the foetus is a dependent being, but the murderer has full human rights. Lots of ways of stating the difference depending on when you think personhood begins. To me, a fetus isn't a person until it can live (with medical support if necessary) outside the mother's body, i.e., when it's more or less finished. So I'm for a woman's right to choose abortion pre- viability, because the fetus isn't yet a person and she very much is; and I'm against capital punishment because the criminal is very much a person (monstrous as he or she may be). (I don't like to put any restrictions on abortion, but I could live with its being prohibited after viability unless continuing the pregnancy is a threat to the woman's life.) Still it struck me as an ironic pattern all the same (if I'm right that the pattern is there). I wonder too how you far you can make a good case for the death penalty based on the best case for abortion. That is to say that if X is 100% dependent on Y, then X does not have a right to existence if Y so chooses (if that's a fair way of expressing it). No man is an island, and just as a young foetus is not likely to survive without its mother's suppport, the same might be said for the individual in relation to Society. You might say that EVERYTHING about us is 100% dependent on Society (language for one thing). The individual is to Society as the foetus is to its mother? I don't buy it. Anyone capable of committing a capital offense is also capable, in most circumstances, of running off into the woods and living on roots and berries, or at least having a good shot at it. A pre- viability fetus, by definition, cannot survive independently of the woman. So if we offend Society sufficiently, why should Society tolerate our existence? Society doesnt *have* to tolerate our existence *in* society. Remove us from society permanently and let us continue to exist in prison until we die of old age. (I'd rather be executed, myself, but that's another story: is life in prison a crueller and more unusual punishment than execution?) Against that, you might argue OK, that's true - but modern, liberal democracies choose not to exercise that right to abort the non-conforming. Except, in the UK at least, opinion polls consistently show that given a chance to vote, the death penalty would probably get rapidy re-instated by Joe Public. Same here, 74 percent in favor unless a choice is offered between capital punishment and life in prison without parole, in which case it's 56 percent (as of 2005, according to a Gallup poll cited by Wikipedia).
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO pulling out of FF?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: ...or just downsizing? They're auctioning off 1/3 of their FF land holdings. http://download.globalcountry.net/emailing/ 2009_12_10_auction_announcement.pdf Dear Supporters of Invincible America, In addition, proceeds of the sale of these properties will be used to support Global Country of World Peace Movement activities in the community and around the country. One contingent is contending to take the proceeds, buy prime land cheaper in South America through the TMo down there, farm it 'organically' with cheap labor as an enlightened movement business supporting the TMo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Raja John Hagelin Speaks
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: http://governors.tm.org/videos/2009_12_07_gov_chat.html Stunning.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 1957
1960 Maharishi's Year of Cosmic Consciousness. Maharishi explains experiences of Transcendental Meditation in terms of Cosmic Consciousness. In London, Maharishi inaugurates his First Three Year Plan to spiritually regenerate the world. 1959 Maharishi's Year of Global Awakening Maharishi starts to teach Transcendental Meditation around the world. 1958 Maharishi's Year of Spiritual Regeneration Movement. Inspired to raise the quality of life in the world through the practice of Transcendental Meditation, Maharishi inaugurates the Spiritual Regeneration Movement to spiritually regenerate mankind. 1957 Maharishi's Year of Transcendental Meditation Maharishi evolves a simple, natural practice for the mind to come to a balanced state, and thereby gain the ability to spontaneously function in accord with all the laws of nature. This was the year of revival of Yog, philosophy and practice; this was the year of revival of Vedic wisdom for perfection in life.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pope Al Gore caught outright lying!! No fresh numbers...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG wg...@... wrote: Copenhagen climate summit: Al Gore condemned over Arctic ice melting prediction snip Speaking at the Copenhagen climate change summit, Mr Gore said new computer modelling suggests there is a 75 per cent chance of the entire polar ice cap melting during the summertime by 2014. However, he faced embarrassment last night after Dr Wieslav Maslowski, the climatologist whose work the prediction was based on, refuted his claims. Dr Maslowski, of the Naval Postgraduate School in Monterey, California, told The Times: It's unclear to me how this figure was arrived at. I would never try to estimate likelihood at anything as exact as this. For the record, Maslowski said his latest results showed that 80 percent of the ice caps would be gone in six years. How inexact of him.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Liberals Should Back the Health Care Bill
Bhairitu wrote: If other first world countries in the world can have a public health care systems that work and don't tax the people to death then so can the US. How much in payroll taxes are you willing to pay? You're already paying a big payroll tax and sales tax in California. I'd hate to be in your shoes right now, paying all those taxes with unemployment in double digits. From an earlier post you didn't seem to be willing to pay any payroll taxes. In fact, didn't you advocate socialism recently? How are you going to pay any payroll taxes without a payroll? I'd rather have a pay raise any day than pay more in taxes. That way, I could afford my own health care without depending on the federal government. Can you give me one good reason why I should be paying for your health care? I think a better idea would be to improve the economy and try to get the country out of debt. When people have lower taxes, they spend more, and that will stimulate the economy. ...the fastest way to boost employment would be to temporarily lop 6 percent off the 15.3 percent payroll tax that covers Social Security and Medicare, giving half the reduction to bosses, to cut their payroll costs without layoffs, and the rest to workers to give them more money to spend. Read more: 'Upbeat job report sparks debate over recovery' By Tom Abate San Francisco Chronicle, December 5, 2009 http://tinyurl.com/ychzqyn
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pope Al Gore caught outright lying!! No fresh numbers...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG wgm4u@ wrote: Copenhagen climate summit: Al Gore condemned over Arctic ice melting prediction snip Speaking at the Copenhagen climate change summit, Mr Gore said new computer modelling suggests there is a 75 per cent chance of the entire polar ice cap melting during the summertime by 2014. However, he faced embarrassment last night after Dr Wieslav Maslowski, the climatologist whose work the prediction was based on, refuted his claims. Dr Maslowski, of the Naval Postgraduate School in Monterey, California, told The Times: It's unclear to me how this figure was arrived at. I would never try to estimate likelihood at anything as exact as this. For the record, Maslowski said his latest results showed that 80 percent of the ice caps would be gone in six years. How inexact of him. Really? Could you post that? From him?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Joe Lieberman is a terrorist
Bhairitu wrote: If there is anyone who is a terrorist in the United States then it has to be Joe Lieberman. Are you saying that you'd prefer the Medicare buy-ins for those 55-65 years of age, instead of a single-payer, fully-socialized medical system? That's a far-cry from the reality of the Public Option. You're not making much sense. You should be outraged at your own Democrats, not at Joe Lieberman. Maybe you should join a tea party protest! About a week ago, desperate to win Mr. Lieberman's vote for health care reform, Senate Democratic leaders tentatively agreed to put the public option on the backburner... Read more: 'Time for The Lieberman Rule' By Steve Kornacki New York Observor, December 15, 2009 http://tinyurl.com/yb3xfz2
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pope Al Gore caught outright lying!! No fresh numbers...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG wg...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG wgm4u@ wrote: Copenhagen climate summit: Al Gore condemned over Arctic ice melting prediction snip Speaking at the Copenhagen climate change summit, Mr Gore said new computer modelling suggests there is a 75 per cent chance of the entire polar ice cap melting during the summertime by 2014. However, he faced embarrassment last night after Dr Wieslav Maslowski, the climatologist whose work the prediction was based on, refuted his claims. Dr Maslowski, of the Naval Postgraduate School in Monterey, California, told The Times: It's unclear to me how this figure was arrived at. I would never try to estimate likelihood at anything as exact as this. For the record, Maslowski said his latest results showed that 80 percent of the ice caps would be gone in six years. How inexact of him. Really? Could you post that? From him? It's in the same article you quoted, BillyG.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pope Al Gore caught outright lying!! No fresh numbers...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG wgm4u@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG wgm4u@ wrote: Copenhagen climate summit: Al Gore condemned over Arctic ice melting prediction snip Speaking at the Copenhagen climate change summit, Mr Gore said new computer modelling suggests there is a 75 per cent chance of the entire polar ice cap melting during the summertime by 2014. However, he faced embarrassment last night after Dr Wieslav Maslowski, the climatologist whose work the prediction was based on, refuted his claims. Dr Maslowski, of the Naval Postgraduate School in Monterey, California, told The Times: It's unclear to me how this figure was arrived at. I would never try to estimate likelihood at anything as exact as this. For the record, Maslowski said his latest results showed that 80 percent of the ice caps would be gone in six years. How inexact of him. Really? Could you post that? From him? It's in the same article you quoted, BillyG. You're right, mea culpa,.:-(
[FairfieldLife] Re: Raja John Hagelin Speaks
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: http://governors.tm.org/videos/2009_12_07_gov_chat.html Stunning. I thought I was looking at a clip from Plan 9 From Outer Space when it 1st came on.
[FairfieldLife] A great blonde joke
A blonde calls her boyfriend and says, 'Please come over here and help me. I have a killer jigsaw puzzle, and I can't figure out how to get started.' http://groups.fropki.com/ Her boyfriend asks, 'What is it supposed to be when it's finished?' http://groups.fropki.com/ The blonde says, 'According to the picture on the box, it's a rooster.' http://groups.fropki.com/ Her boyfriend decides to go over and help with the puzzle. http://groups.fropki.com/ She lets him in and shows him where she has the puzzle spread all over the table. http://groups.fropki.com/ He studies the pieces for a moment, then looks at the box, then turns to her and says, http://groups.fropki.com/ 'First of all, no matter what we do, we're not going to be able to assemble these pieces into anything resembling a rooster.' http://groups.fropki.com/ He takes her hand and says, 'Second, I want you to relax. Let's have a nice cup of tea, and then ..' he said with a deep sigh, http://groups.fropki.com/ . . . . . http://groups.fropki.com/ http://groups.fropki.com/ http://groups.fropki.com/. http://groups.fropki.com/ (scroll down) http://groups.fropki.com/ . . . . . http://groups.fropki.com/ . . . . . http://groups.fropki.com/ . . . . . http://groups.fropki.com/ . . . . . http://groups.fropki.com/ 'Let's put all the Corn Flakes back in the box.' http://groups.fropki.com/
[FairfieldLife] Post Count
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Raja John Hagelin Speaks
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfr...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: http://governors.tm.org/videos/2009_12_07_gov_chat.html Stunning. I thought I was looking at a clip from Plan 9 From Outer Space when it 1st came on. I think it was Plan 2 or 3, not sure!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Liberals Should Back the Health Care Bill
I get it. do.rk wants what Obama wants which is what Joe Lieberman wants. A mandate to buy private insurance so the gluttonous corporate pigs get so fat they explode our economy. Isn't forcing Americans to buy a private product unconstitutional? Call it what it is, taxation without representation, which is exactly the inspiration for the Boston Tea Party. The Senate should screw Joe, revive the Public Option or Single Payer and push it though with reconciliation, a simple majority vote. But sadly, no. Today Obama kissed Joe's ass just so he can jam a crappy health care reform bill down our throats no matter what. Disgusting. Today Howard Dean said to kill the Senate bill and Jane Hamsher agreed with him. Must read: http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/12/15/kill-the-senate-bill/ --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: Ezra Klein http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2009/12/is_the_senate_healt\ h-care_refo.html : On its own terms, the bill is the largest social policy achievement since the Great Society. It will save a lot of lives and prevent a lot of suffering. But moving forward, it also makes future improvements and expansions easier. A lot of the hard work of health-care reform -- in particular, the money for subsidies -- will finish this year. If reformers want to come back for the public option or more subsidies in a future year, they won't be doing it atop a $900 billion price tag that's being battered by tea parties and industry and everyone else. This bill doesn't have all the good stuff it should have, but reformers can stop fighting for what good stuff it does have and concentrate more intently on what good stuff is left to achieve. Ezra Klein also points out http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2009/12/the_unintended_cons\ equences_of.html that reconciliation will only allow the Senate to pass all the things that Lieberman hates, like the Public Option, but we cannot use it to pass insurance and other regulatory reforms that are still in the bill. The irony is that the strange workings of the reconciliation process would strip the bill of the parts that Lieberman, Snowe and others favor and replace them with the exact policies they oppose. I say pass the Liebermanized bill and let the President sign it. Then use reconciliation to get the rest. - Tim F: http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=31238 Nate Silver http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/12/why-progressives-are-batshit-cra\ zy-to.html : For any 'progressive' who is concerned about the inequality of wealth, income and opportunity in America, this bill would be an absolutely monumental achievement. The more compelling critique, rather, is that the bill would fail to significantly 'bend the cost curve'. I don't dismiss that criticism at all, and certainly the insertion of a public option would have helped at the margins. But fundamentally, that is a critique that would traditionally be associated with the conservative side of the debate, as it ultimately goes to mounting deficits in the wake of expanded government entitlements. Jonathan Cohn http://www.tnr.com/blog/the-treatment/what-public-option-supporters-won\ : Disappointed progressives may be wondering whether their efforts were a waste. They most decidedly were not. The campaign for the public option pushed the entire debate to the left -- and, to use a military metaphor, it diverted enemy fire away from the rest of the bill. If Lieberman and his allies didn't have the public option to attack, they would have tried to gut the subsidies, the exchanges, or some other key element. They would have hacked away at the bill, until it left more people uninsured and more people under-insured. The public option is the reason that didn't happen. http://politicalwire.com/archives/2009/12/15/why_liberals_should_back_th\ e_health_care_bill.html http://politicalwire.com/archives/2009/12/15/why_liberals_should_back_t\ he_health_care_bill.html http://politicalwire.com/archives/2009/12/15/why_liberals_should_back_t\ he_health_care_bill.html
[FairfieldLife] A great blonde joke
ha ha ha from a blonde ;P -Meow
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO pulling out of FF?
A Courts-Martial 1) Sale of 600 prime acres of failed farming. 2)Sale of Folded school building. Transcendental Rajas do inquiries into failed management of Transcendental Meditation Projects.Patrick Peel vacuum cleaner salesman failed farm Manager. Ashley Deen failed school master. Relieved, of duty. Dishonorable dis-charges given? Probably not, but the evident TM verdict: the sale of their projects. No doubt was gut-wrenching discovery and deliberation by the Rajas weighing these failed assignments. Who originally hired these people? Oversaw their work? How did that go? More dismissals coming from the courts of inquiry? Failed farming Apparently by the Wins to Schayfer to Peel. Nice equipment bought. Made lots of hay and failed at marketing. Equipment sold. Global Country selling land. Transcription of the proceedings? Notwithstanding our explicit teaching of the purest life and loftiest conceptions of right, the societies have suffered through certain members, some by defalcations and others by grossest mismanagement. Where so little coercion exists, where so much responsibility rests on individual loyalty, one person, taking advantage of the trust reposed in him, by signing a document, or by secret, ill-judge investments, may deluge a whole society with debt. This has been frequently done. from Shakerism 1904 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: ...or just downsizing? They're auctioning off 1/3 of their FF land holdings. http://download.globalcountry.net/emailing/ 2009_12_10_auction_announcement.pdf Dear Supporters of Invincible America, It is a great joy to announce that on Tuesday, December 15th beginning at 10:00 a.m. CST, Global Country of World Peace will make available for sale at auction one of the most beautiful buildings in our Invincible America community and a number of parcels of organic farmland totaling 600 acres. This auction will continue Tuesday afternoon and Wednesday morning. Please see the announcement for details of when each parcel will be sold. Since Global Country of World Peace owns quite a lot of land in the community we want to make about 1/3 of it available for those who wish to take advantage of prime organic real estate along Route 1 and inside Maharishi Vedic City for development, organic agriculture or residential or commercial uses. We feel this will help stimulate faster growth in the community and make property available contiguous to Maharishi University of Management, between MUM and Maharishi Vedic City, and within Maharishi Vedic City. In addition, proceeds of the sale of these properties will be used to support Global Country of World Peace Movement activities in the community and around the country.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Joe Lieberman is a terrorist
With comments like that I know Lieberman is on the right track. Go Joementum!! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: If there is anyone who is a terrorist in the United States then it has to be Joe Lieberman. What a shameful, selfish man. He is the epitome of ego and greed. He should be arrested and tried as a terrorist. This puppet of the money masters wants to stand in the way of a public option. Well he should pay the price and I'm sure he will.
[FairfieldLife] The sounds of the Chakras-Muladhar or first chakra.
http://www.sanatansociety.org/indian_epics_and_stories/hj_sounds_chakras_first_intro.mp3
[FairfieldLife] Re: Joe Lieberman is a terrorist
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: If there is anyone who is a terrorist in the United States then it has to be Joe Lieberman. What a shameful, selfish man. He is the epitome of ego and greed. He should be arrested and tried as a terrorist. This puppet of the money masters wants to stand in the way of a public option. Well he should pay the price and I'm sure he will. I don't think he cares that much. Remember that the Democrats abandoned him and he got elected as an independent. But why he would be a terrorist I don't know. You will probably want to retract such a statement before you lose any little credibility you have left.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Joe Lieberman is a terrorist
ShempMcGurk wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: If there is anyone who is a terrorist in the United States then it has to be Joe Lieberman. What a shameful, selfish man. He is the epitome of ego and greed. He should be arrested and tried as a terrorist. This puppet of the money masters wants to stand in the way of a public option. Well he should pay the price and I'm sure he will. I don't think he cares that much. Remember that the Democrats abandoned him and he got elected as an independent. But why he would be a terrorist I don't know. You will probably want to retract such a statement before you lose any little credibility you have left. Well duh, Shemp. Look what he is doing. He is holding the whole health care reform bill hostage. Doing so he has more power than the President. So he is behaving like a terrorist. And if you are sympathetic to him I guess that makes you a terrorist sympathizer. :-D
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO pulling out of FF?
One contingent is contending to take the proceeds, buy prime land cheaper in South America through the TMo down there, farm it 'organically' with cheap labor as an enlightened movement business supporting the TMo Why does the TMO need constant support from businesses? It has a good meditation technique and teachers who have left the movement have demonstrated that it's possible to build a viable business on the basis of a valued service. There should be no need for endless begging for money. The TMO has in effect become a fund raising and property development business with a small sideline in spiritual development and in time the small sideline will die out.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Invincibility School with 1 000 students to be established in Mozambique
mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@ wrote: No, but I was in the room with President Marcos when we sieg heiled him. Every moment of that one was scripted by MMY, who was there in the Philippines, although we weren't supposed to know he was. As is your habit you are lying again. The word sieg was never used durting that event. I was there too. I was speaking figuratively. Figuratively is a good word for much of your rumour-monging. If you generally had been a tad more precise perhaps even more confused souls would believe your wild speculations and outright lies about Maharishi and the TMO that you post here from time to time. Just an advice, since your motto seems to be the worse the better. Of course we didn't say sieg heil. Why would we have spoken German to him? We just chanted Hail President Marcos and related phrases over and over again.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A great blonde joke
A similar puzzle joke: A gaggle of blondes come into a bar shouting Eight weeks! Eight weeks! They order drinks and sit at a table shouting the same thing over and over, obviously celebrating something. The bartender, when he brings their drinks, says, What are you gals celebrating? One blonde says, Well, we're members of a puzzle club. We get together and assemble jigsaw puzzles. The latest one said right on the box, '1 to 2 years' and we finished it in only eight weeks! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, It's just a ride bill.hicks.all.a.r...@... wrote: A blonde calls her boyfriend and says, 'Please come over here and help me. I have a killer jigsaw puzzle, and I can't figure out how to get started.' http://groups.fropki.com/ Her boyfriend asks, 'What is it supposed to be when it's finished?' http://groups.fropki.com/ The blonde says, 'According to the picture on the box, it's a rooster.' http://groups.fropki.com/ Her boyfriend decides to go over and help with the puzzle. http://groups.fropki.com/ She lets him in and shows him where she has the puzzle spread all over the table. http://groups.fropki.com/ He studies the pieces for a moment, then looks at the box, then turns to her and says, http://groups.fropki.com/ 'First of all, no matter what we do, we're not going to be able to assemble these pieces into anything resembling a rooster.' http://groups.fropki.com/ He takes her hand and says, 'Second, I want you to relax. Let's have a nice cup of tea, and then ..' he said with a deep sigh, http://groups.fropki.com/ . . . . . http://groups.fropki.com/ http://groups.fropki.com/ http://groups.fropki.com/. http://groups.fropki.com/ (scroll down) http://groups.fropki.com/ . . . . . http://groups.fropki.com/ . . . . . http://groups.fropki.com/ . . . . . http://groups.fropki.com/ . . . . . http://groups.fropki.com/ 'Let's put all the Corn Flakes back in the box.' http://groups.fropki.com/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Raja John Hagelin Speaks
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfr...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: http://governors.tm.org/videos/2009_12_07_gov_chat.html Stunning. I thought I was looking at a clip from Plan 9 From Outer Space when it 1st came on. As a movie critic I must protest at this unwarranted slander of the great Ed Wood and his artistic master- piece. Even Wood's space-zombies had more life in them than Hagelin.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A great blonde joke
A similar puzzle joke: A gaggle of blondes come into a bar shouting Eight weeks! Eight weeks! They order drinks and sit at a table shouting the same thing over and over, obviously celebrating something. The bartender, when he brings their drinks, says, What are you gals celebrating? One blonde says, Well, we're members of a puzzle club. We get together and assemble jigsaw puzzles. The latest one said right on the box, '1 to 2 years' and we finished it in only eight weeks! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, It's just a ride bill.hicks.all.a.r...@... wrote: A blonde calls her boyfriend and says, 'Please come over here and help me. I have a killer jigsaw puzzle, and I can't figure out how to get started.' http://groups.fropki.com/ Her boyfriend asks, 'What is it supposed to be when it's finished?' http://groups.fropki.com/ The blonde says, 'According to the picture on the box, it's a rooster.' http://groups.fropki.com/ Her boyfriend decides to go over and help with the puzzle. http://groups.fropki.com/ She lets him in and shows him where she has the puzzle spread all over the table. http://groups.fropki.com/ He studies the pieces for a moment, then looks at the box, then turns to her and says, http://groups.fropki.com/ 'First of all, no matter what we do, we're not going to be able to assemble these pieces into anything resembling a rooster.' http://groups.fropki.com/ He takes her hand and says, 'Second, I want you to relax. Let's have a nice cup of tea, and then ..' he said with a deep sigh, http://groups.fropki.com/ . . . . . http://groups.fropki.com/ http://groups.fropki.com/ http://groups.fropki.com/. http://groups.fropki.com/ (scroll down) http://groups.fropki.com/ . . . . . http://groups.fropki.com/ . . . . . http://groups.fropki.com/ . . . . . http://groups.fropki.com/ . . . . . http://groups.fropki.com/ 'Let's put all the Corn Flakes back in the box.' http://groups.fropki.com/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Joe Lieberman is a terrorist
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: If there is anyone who is a terrorist in the United States then it has to be Joe Lieberman. Don't be silly. Joe Lieberman is an angry old man whose time passed him by long ago and who will now do anything he can to attract the attention he craves so desperately. He will even threaten a filibuster -- which, after all, is just talking because one can, to no one because no one is listening, for no other reason than to talk, talk, talk, and to keep others from saying anything more interesting or useful. In other words, he is the political counterpart of Judy Stein. :-)
