[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Avatar' arouses conservatives' ire
I saw the movie. Awesome graphics, yet a very boring plot IMO. Regarding left wing/right wing oppositions to aspects of the movie, I do find it odd that liberals identify with cultures that possess many of the same qualities that 'most' of them completely lack, or greatly despise. The indegenous people in Avatar were very warlike, they were hunters, and lived a very harsh life in a very dangerous environment. Even the women were rather aggressive and able to hunt and fight. The only reason it seemed possible to gain their respect is because a Marine joined their tribe and could actually hang with their toughest members and pass tests of fearlessness. Otherwise they would've looked at anyone else as being too weak or feeble to be among their culture. Dances with Wolves followed a similar pattern. If there is anything I get from either of those movies, it is that you must have respect for both sides of life, basically a yin/yang concept. An absence of one or the other is incomplete. seekliberation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: 'Avatar' arouses conservatives' ire Conservatives are blind to the 3-D blockbuster's charms By Patrick Goldstein It's interesting that Mr. Goldstein doesn't seem to have picked up on the outrage of many *liberals* at what they perceive as the film's distinctly racist undertones. (Some have also suggested that it's sexist and has a bad attitude toward the disabled. One blogger insisted the film wasn't anti-military, it was anti-*mercenary*, pointing out that other films of Cameron's--Aliens and The Abyss-- have actually exalted the regular military.) I thought I remembered someone here mentioning the racist aspect--Shemp, perhaps--but I can't locate the post. Anyway, here's a few examples (among many) of criticism from the left: http://lefarkins.blogspot.com/2009/12/intentions-be-damned-avatar-is-racist.html http://tinyurl.com/yer2mb5 http://lefarkins.blogspot.com/2009/12/more-on-race-and-racialism-in-avatar.html http://tinyurl.com/yhswhed http://globalshift.org/2009/12/dances-with-discrimination-on-avatar-racism-misogyny-and-disabled-prejudice/#more-3534 http://tinyurl.com/yf3mefk http://gawker.com/5422666/when-will-white-people-stop-making-movies-like-avatar http://tinyurl.com/ybshwoy CAVEAT FOR THE FEEBLE-MINDED: Barry will, of course, rush to claim I'm reviewing a movie I haven't seen. Those with a few brain cells to rub together, however, will note that I have not expressed an opinion. I just find it curious that Mr. Goldstein seems to be aware only of criticism of the film from the right.
[FairfieldLife] I'm new here.
I just had to inject in this group people will judge me. They always do,many do.That's ok it leaves more for questions,and with the open minded questions can contribute to others and then hence forth knowledge eventually leads towards wisdom. I LOVED,LOVED the flick Avatar,it spoke to me in many levels spirtually,as Dances with Wolves had,it justr had BETTER IMAX 3-D imaging. But a good storyline.I gave it 4 stars. It will sink any movie ever in the History of mankind ever!!! It took 4 yrs to make!!! TheI see you,really got me way down emtionally.Like the ending of Dances with Wolves had when the angry indian says,you are the wind in my hair,you are the smile on the clouds,etc I cry everytime! Same goes with the ending og the movie,Ghost. I was seventeen when I saw it,with a guy. I tryed to find a guy to make melove myself. I had oodles of men,but not what I wanted,and it was always sex. Sorry I'm being very honest here,and I am really trying to make a valid point here.I did not my own idenity until I was twenty eight. I used to be a Christain for many,many yrs. I wasTAUGHT to be so. I am now a proud pagan,not witch. Look up this site before even passing judgement ok-www.witchvox.com Look up www.ravengramassi.com. I WILL NOT TALK TO ANY BIBLE THUMPERS AT ALL Ok,gotta go. ~ Blessed Be ~
[FairfieldLife] ok rude saying-do not post any pics on here.
That was really rude
[FairfieldLife] Formulas (was Re: 1957)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony...@... wrote: The 'Maharishi Effect' establishes a new formula for the creation of an ideal society, free from crime and problems. Might I point out that establishing a formula does not make that formula true, or make it have anything to do with reality? For example, I could establish a formula for recurring behavior on Fairfield Life, as follows: -Jv + Jphh = 10 * JMSBS where Jv = a temporary Judy victim, someone who buys her pretense of being an authority about anything to the point that they believe she's worth debating something with. -Jv = When one of these Judy victims comes to his or her senses and realizes she isn't worth wasting spit on, much less time. Jphh = Judy publicly humiliates herself by throwing tantrums and trying anything she can think of to taunt or insult the former Judy victim back *into* debating with her. JMSBS = Judy Must Stalk Barry Syndrome. In layman's language, the formula states that every time someone gets suckered into a debate with Judy and then figures out she's a nutcase and not worth their time, she goes crazy and embarrasses herself publicly trying to get them back, but then when she can't, she increases her hatred of the dreaded Barry tenfold, blames him for it, and increases her stalking and demonizing of him by a similar factor of ten. I would suggest that there is FAR more statistical evidence for the accuracy and truth of this formula in the archives of Fairfield Life (think Ruth, do.rflex, and now Richard, to name only three) than there is or ever has been for the Maharishi Effect formula. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: I'm new here.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Becky starvingvet2...@... wrote: I just had to inject in this group people will judge me. They always do,many do. While I welcome you and appreciate your comments about AVATAR, I might suggest that there might be a more graceful way to introduce yourself than, Hi. I'm new here. Many of you are going to judge me and beat me up and condemn me like everyone else has done in my whole life. I expect it. Seems to me that you're working out a self fulfilling prophecy thang here. How 'bout just introducing yourself, stating an opinion about something and seeing what reaction it gets, without trying to pre-program what that reaction might be? It is my experience that those who feel the need to announce that they are pagans within seconds of meeting them are *hoping* for a bad reaction and some kind of persecution. If that's *not* what you're looking for, you might consider starting over.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Avatar' arouses conservatives' ire
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberat...@... wrote: I saw the movie. Awesome graphics, yet a very boring plot IMO. Regarding left wing/right wing oppositions to aspects of the movie, I do find it odd that liberals identify with cultures that possess many of the same qualities that 'most' of them completely lack, or greatly despise. The indegenous people in Avatar were very warlike, they were hunters, and lived a very harsh life in a very dangerous environment. Even the women were rather aggressive and able to hunt and fight. The only reason it seemed possible to gain their respect is because a Marine joined their tribe and could actually hang with their toughest members and pass tests of fearlessness. Otherwise they would've looked at anyone else as being too weak or feeble to be among their culture. Dances with Wolves followed a similar pattern. If there is anything I get from either of those movies, it is that you must have respect for both sides of life, basically a yin/yang concept. An absence of one or the other is incomplete. seekliberation If it wasn't for the fabulous graphics Avatar would be yet another boring boy meets girl Hollywood film. It's not surprising that right-wingers don't like it; the once so strong american warmachine was destroyed by tribes using bow and arrow and flying on monsters. And their belowed capitalism was rejected took a blow. Perhaps they somehow know what is coming; the global collapse of capitalism, just like Maharishi predicted.
[FairfieldLife] Formulas (was Re: 1957)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: For example, I could establish a formula for recurring behavior on Fairfield Life, as follows: -Jv + Jphh = 10 * JMSBS I would suggest that there is FAR more statistical evidence for the accuracy and truth of this formula in the archives of Fairfield Life (think Ruth, do.rflex, and now Richard, to name only three) than there is or ever has been for the Maharishi Effect formula. ;-) From the point of view of my interest in Popper that's a very good specimen of a conjecture. It exemplifies everything that Popper would approve of as good science: 1) It is a bold conjecture that rules out precise, specific situations. In other words it possesses high information content 2) It is open to critical tests and falsification. Someone merely needs to perform some data mining to look for NOT (10 * JMSBS) when both -Jv + Jphh are true. To be fair I think you have made the conjecture a little TOO bold. It would be reasonable to set a probability value on the theory, otherwise just one falsifying instance will damn what is probably a promising research programme. Can you release your calculations for the factor of 10? I do hope your policy on transparency is more liberal than those chaps who are now in trouble at Hadley CRU! Suffering as we do from our contemporary hubris it's easy to forget that we stand on the shoulders of giants. And the ancients, as well as analysing scenarios with lions and crumbs, also gave us a taxonomy of valid forms of reasoning (such that will never get us from true premisses to false conclusions). So we have modus ponens and modus tollens respectively: If P then Q; P; Therefore Q If Bevan is in his bath the water level will rise Bevan is in his bath The water will rise If P then Q; Not Q; Therefore Not P If Bevan is in his bath the water level will rise The water level has not risen Bevan is not in his bath But logicians, like geeks everywhere, enjoy a little in joke (preferably in Latin), and so we have the howler modus morons: If P then Q; Q; Therefore P If Bevan is in his bath the water level will rise The water has risen Therefore Bevan is in his bath With that out the way, it is instructive to compare your excellent specimen of a scientific conjecture with...what? I dunno, how about global warming (aka climate change)? If CO2 AGW is true the glaciers will melt A glacier is melting Therefore CO2 AGW is true Could it be that you ever see that form of argument (modus morons deployed these days? Surely not! It would likely have Popper turning in his grave, eh? Or does it get worse? If P then either Q or Not Q Q or Not Q Therefore P I'm thinking of headlines such as extreme heat evidence of climate change say scientists and extreme cold evidence of climate change. Surely not, eh? BEIJING: Freak snowstorms and record low temperatures sweeping northern China are linked to global warming, say Chinese officials. http://www.smh.com.au/environment/china-blames-freak-storm-on- global-warming-20100104-lq6t.html If it's cold in Peru, it's global warming http://faustasblog.com/?p=17820
[FairfieldLife] Y2K 2.0
Symantec have issued a statement, which states that: An issue has been identified in the Symantec Endpoint Protection Manager (SEPM) server whereby all types of SEP definition content [AV/AS, IPS] with a date greater than December 31, 2009 11:59pm are considered to be 'out of date'. ... El Reg thanks our contact who said this incident: 'Reminds me of your recent article about cheap and dirty Y2K bug fixes where some unscrupulous programmers put in a simple if 10 = 20xx otherwise the date is 19xx.' Indeed. Perhaps the IT industry has missed a trick here? Couldn't we have had a *scare* about the fix so as to encourage another tranche of consultancy fees? That would have served a double purpose: As the experts appear to think that the way out of our current economic woes is to splurge money, wouldn't this have been a useful cover for a form of Quantitative Easing? (Come to think of it, couldn't we ALL get rich by simply paying each other to take in each other's washing?) http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/05/symantec_y2k10_bug/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Y2K 2.0
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost...@... wrote: Symantec have issued a statement, which states that: An issue has been identified in the Symantec Endpoint Protection Manager (SEPM) server whereby all types of SEP definition content [AV/AS, IPS] with a date greater than December 31, 2009 11:59pm are considered to be 'out of date'. Blimey, and now I see this! Are we doomed? Did we neglect our precautionary principle? A delayed Y2K bug has bitten hard at some 30 million holders of German debit and credit cards, making it impossible for them to use automatic teller machines and point-of-sale terminals since New Year's Day. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/06/year_2010_payment_card_bug/
[FairfieldLife] Formulas (was Re: 1957)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: For example, I could establish a formula for recurring behavior on Fairfield Life, as follows: -Jv + Jphh = 10 * JMSBS I would suggest that there is FAR more statistical evidence for the accuracy and truth of this formula in the archives of Fairfield Life (think Ruth, do.rflex, and now Richard, to name only three) than there is or ever has been for the Maharishi Effect formula. ;-) From the point of view of my interest in Popper that's a very good specimen of a conjecture. It exemplifies everything that Popper would approve of as good science: 1) It is a bold conjecture that rules out precise, specific situations. In other words it possesses high information content 2) It is open to critical tests and falsification. Someone merely needs to perform some data mining to look for NOT (10 * JMSBS) when both -Jv + Jphh are true. To be fair I think you have made the conjecture a little TOO bold. It would be reasonable to set a probability value on the theory, otherwise just one falsifying instance will damn what is probably a promising research programme. Can you release your calculations for the factor of 10? I do hope your policy on transparency is more liberal than those chaps who are now in trouble at Hadley CRU! Certainly. Transparency 'r us. I used the same methodology employed by those who created the Maharishi Effect formula. I just made it up. Suffering as we do from our contemporary hubris it's easy to forget that we stand on the shoulders of giants. And the ancients, as well as analysing scenarios with lions and crumbs, also gave us a taxonomy of valid forms of reasoning (such that will never get us from true premisses to false conclusions). So we have modus ponens and modus tollens respectively: If P then Q; P; Therefore Q If Bevan is in his bath the water level will rise Bevan is in his bath The water will rise If P then Q; Not Q; Therefore Not P If Bevan is in his bath the water level will rise The water level has not risen Bevan is not in his bath But logicians, like geeks everywhere, enjoy a little in joke (preferably in Latin), and so we have the howler modus morons: If P then Q; Q; Therefore P If Bevan is in his bath the water level will rise The water has risen Therefore Bevan is in his bath With that out the way, it is instructive to compare your excellent specimen of a scientific conjecture with...what? I dunno, how about global warming (aka climate change)? If CO2 AGW is true the glaciers will melt A glacier is melting Therefore CO2 AGW is true Could it be that you ever see that form of argument (modus morons deployed these days? Surely not! It would likely have Popper turning in his grave, eh? It might. Repeatedly. Popper might be a veritable popover. Me, since I don't claim to know the Truth about much of anything, much less AGW, I prefer a slightly different conjecture: If glaciers are melting the water levels will rise Glaciers (and icecaps) are melting the water levels are rising I live in a beach town that could someday resemble Venice The only dependency in my conjecture is the water levels of the oceans rising, which seems to be happening. It doesn't matter to me whether the cause of this water level rising is AGW or Bevan splashing around with a rubber ducky in some cosmic bathtub; they're rising. As picturesque as Venice is, I don't look forward to having to take a gondola to the supermarket.
[FairfieldLife] The Most Useless Machine Ever
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z86V_ICUCD4feature=player_embedded
[FairfieldLife] Re: Self is just self capitalized
Well, writing as a conservative meditator from experience, as the case may be the case does matter. This rant of yours is very good for starters and obviously heartfelt, but Dear Turq; is also way more than that. Just is. I pray you can sit with it some more. Nice rant. It was a joy to read. -D in FF
[FairfieldLife] Re: Self is just self capitalized
Nice rant. It was a joy to read. -D in FF Is a great rant really. The punctuation thing evidently goes way back in human experience. an opportunity of a lifetime to discern it. Know thy '(S)elf' Remember these? B.Gita Let a man raise his self by his Self, let him not debase his Self; he alone, indeed, is his own friend, he alone his own enemy. V.I5 That state in which thought, settled through the practice of Yoga, retires, in which seeing the Self by the Self alone, he finds contentment in the Self. VI.20
[FairfieldLife] Re: Self is just self capitalized
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony...@... wrote: This rant of yours is very good for starters and obviously heartfelt, but Dear Turq; is also way more than that. Just is. I pray you can sit with it some more. Nice rant. It was a joy to read. Careful, dude. You know the olde saying: Say something complimentary about Barry and wind up on the Enemies List. :-) Original rant (for the convenience of the person who is now going to feel compelled to dump on it): http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/237892 As for sitting with it, it was just a cafe rant, dude...so yesterday. Or last Saturday, actually...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Self is just self capitalized
Nice rant. It was a joy to read. -D in FF Is a great rant really. The punctuation thing evidently goes way back in human experience. an opportunity of a lifetime to discern it. Know thy '(S)elf' Remember these? B.Gita Let a man raise his self by his Self, let him not debase his Self; he alone, indeed, is his own friend, he alone his own enemy. VI.5 That state in which thought, settled through the practice of Yoga, retires, in which seeing the Self by the Self alone, he finds contentment in the Self. VI.20 Let him gradually retire through the intellect possessed of patience; having established the mind in the Self, let him not think at all. VI.25 For the supreme happiness comes to the yogi whose mind is deep in peace, in whom the spur to activity is stilled, who is without blemish and has become one with cosmic consciousness. VI.27 is Science like.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Y2K 2.0
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 5:42 AM, PaliGap compost...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Symantec have issued a statement, which states that: An issue has been identified in the Symantec Endpoint Protection Manager (SEPM) server whereby all types of SEP definition content [AV/AS, IPS] with a date greater than December 31, 2009 11:59pm are considered to be 'out of date'. ... El Reg thanks our contact who said this incident: 'Reminds me of your recent article about cheap and dirty Y2K bug fixes where some unscrupulous programmers put in a simple if 10 = 20xx otherwise the date is 19xx.' Indeed. This was not a trick. Oracle Corporation and many other companies have an RR datatype, accepting only a two digit year and spiting out a four digit year using the inequality you mentioned. But the plot thickens. There are devices which don't work because the space allocated for the year was a nibble (4 bits). You can fit 0 to 15 in 4 bits. Microsoft coded up some of its products using a nibble for the year. Everybody assumes that this code or these devices won't be around as long as they stick around. There's major spam filtering software which has been bitten by the year 2010 bug, resulting in all email being held or destroyed as spam. --- There are 10 people in the world: those who understand binary and those who don't.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Underpants of mass destruction
That's age discrimination! We need more older cops to chase down those criminals, maybe even some handicapped cops! How many cops have you seen on the beat in a wheel chair? From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, January 5, 2010 6:00:29 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Underpants of mass destruction Actually you aren't far from wrong. They keep criminalizing things that shouldn't be so they can fill prisons and build new ones. We need to stand up against this. And they keep hiring really dumb young cops so they can get the senior ones to retire early (cheaper on the pension funds). And those aggressive cops are the ones who often go gung ho with tasers. Mike Dixon wrote: Ii bet crime is over reported so we can hire more police and build more prisons also! _ _ __ From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal. net To: FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Tue, January 5, 2010 1:49:37 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Underpants of mass destruction WillyTex wrote: Right-wingers want to know why the underpants bomber wasn't hauled off the plane and waterboarded! 'Right-wingers' aren't the only ones who want answers - lots of 'left-wingers' and moderate independents want to know why, in over eight years, the U.S. hasn't installed safety precautions to prevent another 9/11. Why is that, John? Why are U.S. passenger aircraft still not safe from suicide bombers after over eight years? Why, after over eight years, did Flight 253 come to a 'near-catastrophic failure' in every level of our government? Why didn't your Secretary of State revoke the bomber's visa? Why, John? The terrorist plot to bring down Northwest Airlines Flight 253 exposed a near-catastrophic failure at every level of our government. - Barack Obama http://tinyurl. com/yhj64te I believe it was a plot intended to fail. Who trusts the government in telling us that amount of the supposed explosive could have blown up the plane? Maybe so but we would also have to trust that it was the actual explosive on him. Follow the money. The body scanning companies were having problems selling their machines. The public hates them and this incident is not going make them hate them any less. But now the body scan companies got a windfall or did they actually set the whole thing up? Not hard to cover those tracks. Then our military industrial complex needed another front to sell weapons too so Yemen made a good choice. Gets them into Africa for years of endless war. Tell the bureaucrats that say we need to get over privacy issues to go fuck themselves. Oh and go fuck themselves in front of a body scanner so the underpaid TSA agents can sell those videos as porn on the Internet.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Police report gives first details of Arizona sweat lodge deaths
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, eustace10679 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Looking at the big picture and leaving aside, for the moment, the details, wouldn't you agree that even with this black spot on its history, the TMO still remains the bright exception to the checkered histories of similar large scale organizations? Absolutely not. In all honesty, absolutely not. And I consider myself a voyeur of spiritual organizations. I've carefully watched the histories of many of them. At this point I'm more of a religious sociologist than a pursuer of or believer in any religion. I have to admit that I haven't been following the other spiritual organizations closely as I did in the 70s. At that time practically all of them that had reached some prominence and size were riddled with scandals. I would say that there is very little difference between the TMO and any other spiritual organ- ization, large or small, except the extreme silliness and self-absorption present in the TM organization. Have you forgotten robes and crowns? Have you forgotten de-teachering the vast maj- ority of all TM teachers ever created and declaring that they were no longer certified to teach TM because they wouldn't sign up full-time for just a *promise*, a promise that they knew would never be fulfilled? The scandals that plagued the other organizations were different in kind and I would say more serious then the ones you describe - embezzlement of large sums of money, serious sexual transgressions. In my judgment, compared with those, the ceremonial crowns are much sillier but also much less consequential. As for the robes, personally I find them more to my taste than the strict dress code. As for the decertification of teachers, I do not know the details but I would lump them together with steep rise in the initiation fees and the crowns: All these certainly did not help the movement, but, and this is the amazing fact, they did not seem to have hurt it much either. Please observe that I am not justifying these policies, I am rather basing my judgment on the overall effect that they have had on TMO. I think the real story is the one above. You managed to write off a murder by relating it to your personal experience of a random moment in time, I disagree with the randomness of the moment. But I understand that what is clear to me is at the same time not obvious to others, so I would not insist on this point. suggesting that the real reason for it was on some level cosmic. Hmmm... No, I wouldn't put it this way. The real reason was, of course, karmic - I hope we do not disagree on this point. The cosmic (as you call them) connections that I saw made the karmic situation more concrete in my mind. Or something like that. ANYONE can find a way to justify the things that their organ- ization does and make them look less stupid or bad. That doesn't mean that they *are* less stupid or bad. The murder at MUM happened because one person, who had been taught for decades that practicing his meditation at a specific time every day was more important than anything else -- *anything* else -- failed to guard a delusional student who had *already* attacked another student and went off to meditate. That person had encountered an extreme situation he had not encountered before in his life, and he failed to realize it. I am sure he learned his lesson. There is nothing cosmic in this. I see much karmic, rather than random, in this. His experience did not help and his intuition did not work. Mistakes happen, and people pay for them. There is only stupidity and non-acceptance of responsibility in this. There is only fanaticism in this. Fanaticism may explain the failing of intuition. *You* can only feel comfortable with the history of the TM movement by leaving aside the details. You will have to forgive me if I do not consider this a particularly reality-based position. There are different perspectives to look at things, one way does not invalidate the others. I wrote Looking at the big picture and leaving aside, for the moment, the details. I only asked you to look *for a moment* the whole picture without focusing on the details. I find it very useful sometimes. From a different perspective sometimes things look unexpectedly different. This in no way invalidates the more detailed perspective and its reality - or vice versa. Seeing things in different perspectives helps attain a more balanced view. A happening spiritual organization IMO is one that steps up to the plate and *takes respon- sibility* for its fuckups and mistakes. Name me one time that the TMO has done that. Even one. I'll wait. On the basis of my personal life experience I consider actions much more important that words, and
[FairfieldLife] Re: Self is just self capitalized
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: This rant of yours is very good for starters and obviously heartfelt, but Dear Turq; is also way more than that. Just is. I pray you can sit with it some more. Nice rant. It was a joy to read. Careful, dude. You know the olde saying: Say something complimentary about Barry and wind up on the Enemies List. Doug can be very, um, tactful. :-) Original rant (for the convenience of the person who is now going to feel compelled to dump on it): http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/237892 snicker Already did, several days ago.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Y2K 2.0
Reminds me of your recent article about cheap and dirty Y2K bug fixes where some unscrupulous programmers put in a simple if 10 = 20xx otherwise the date is 19xx...' This was not a trick These programmers, like the two Barrys, are always trying to trick us into spending money to fix bugs that they themselves have created. What's up with that? I mean, what kind of an idiot would create a software program that couldn't print a four digit date? They've known about this for thirty years or more, but they wouldn't admit that 'Y2K' was their own creation so they could make big money from large corporations. These shysters are always up to something. If it's not shilling for some can-man guru from India, they're setting themselves up to be a 'fakir' on their own, selling water down by the river - making up non-sensse gibberish phrases to sell to poor unwitting students. What happened to all the money? That Rama cult that Barry used to head up was one of the most notorious hacker-cults in the modern digital age. They formed a company and sent out programmers to fix bugs, but they put in new ones instead, from what I've read! Now they're bragging about how much money they make running their own companies. This is outrageous! In fact, almost any programming language can be fixed with a simple function such as the PICTURE clause, which can be used to define fixed-length numeric fields, including two-digit fields for years. A simple fix! But did you see 'Office Space'? Large corporations actually paid these guys to fix the bug they created. Excerpt for Wired Magazine: Besides avoiding negative energy and sharpening the mind, computer work brings in a lot of money, the main requirement for membership in Lenz's group. Costs range from US$20 a month for neophytes to, at one point, US$3, 500 a month for 'advanced students,' according to ex-members who showed cancelled checks verifying payments of US$2,000 to Lenz's group. Generally, this was to be paid in US$100 bills - higher vibratory energy, ex-members say. Gifts and costly special excursions are extra: In practice, members give Lenz almost all their money, according to published reports and ex-followers. They squeeze into shared, unfurnished apartments while he flies in a Lear jet between houses in Long Island, Santa Fe, and Los Angeles... Read more: 'Undo' The Code Cult of the CPU Guru By Zachary Margulis Wired, Rants Raves, Issue 2.04, 1993 'Take Me for a Ride' Coming of Age in a Destructive Cult By Mark Laxer Outer Rim Press, 1993
[FairfieldLife] Formulas (was Re: 1957)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: snip In layman's language, the formula states that every time someone gets suckered into a debate with Judy and then figures out she's a nutcase and not worth their time, she goes crazy and embarrasses herself publicly trying to get them back, LOL. Judy to PaliGap, two days ago, withdrawsing from the debate with PaliGap about climate change/global warming: I'm through here. You're more than welcome to continue the conversation with yourself. I won't interfere unless you invoke me (by name or implication) in a way that misrepresents me or my views or my debating habits. Which post of mine has sent Barry over the edge this time? Was it my response to Raunchy in the G-spot thread? The one pointing out that three weeks ago, Barry was on *my* side in the climate change debate I was having with PaliGap? Or was it the one in which I noted that many liberals were upset about what they perceived to be racism in Avatar? Or the one in which I straightened out his misconceptions about Buddha's teaching?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Underpants of mass destruction
Bhairitu wrote: Actually you aren't far from wrong. They keep criminalizing things that shouldn't be so they can fill prisons and build new ones... 'They' is you, and your Democratic Party. You could 'throw the bums out' in the next election. Maybe it's time for the Democrats in California to retire - they've brought the state to a near bankruptcy. Your elected leaders are trying to tax your business out of existence. If you don't get out and vote, you may find yourself living on the street or at your relative's house. The liberal voters out there in California must be totally insane! With your political view, I'd think you'd be one of the first people to get out of there. From what I've heard, California wants to house the Gitmo prisoners from Yemen at Chino - they need the federal money.
[FairfieldLife] Re: I'm new here.
I just had to inject in this group people will judge me. They always do,many do... TurquoiseB wrote: While I welcome you and appreciate your comments about AVATAR, I might suggest that there might be a more graceful way to introduce yourself than, Hi. I'm new here You really beat Becky up - good work, Turq! As some have noticed, I have a low tolerance threshold when it comes to idiots who show up on Internet forums I frequent and bring a hidden agenda with them. I suspect everybody does, but it is more obvious in my case because I am often merciless about insulting these idiots and ripping them a new asshole verbally... From: Uncle Tantra Subject: Agendananda Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: February 16, 2003
[FairfieldLife] Re: Etude No 2: Two Sins Of Dishonest Intellectuals
Judy wrote: What's behind Barry's tendency to self-destruct...? Obviously the reason is because of ignoarnce (avidya). the very thing he should be avoiding. Barry needs to get some smarts - he's read hundreds of books about the Cathars, but seems to have never read a single book about the Buddha's teaching. So, it was probably the post about the Buddha's teaching that sent Barry 'over the edge'. Now he's running scared, afraid he's going to fall off a cliff and into an abyss. Everyone now knows that Barry is a 'True Believer' - he believes that all individuals possess a 'soul-monad' that 'reincarnates' over time. He even thinks he can remember being a 'cat-ass kisser' that lived in Montsegur, France. Can you believe that? Obviously he got these beliefs from his Guru, the Sri Chinmoy, who taught this belief system to Freddy Lentz: Reincarnated soul-monads of Frederick Lentz III: 1531-1575, Zen Master, Japan; 1602-1771, Head of Zen Order, Japan; 1725-1804, Master of Monastery, Tibet; 1834-1905, Jnana Yoga Master, India; 1912-1945, Tibetan Lama and Head of Monastic Order, Tibet; 1950-1998, Self Realized Spiritual Teacher and Director of Spiritual Communities, United States.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Underpants of mass destruction
Who trusts the government in telling us that amount of the supposed explosive could have blown up the plane? well, you can trust me, I have no reason to lie. Supposedly, the explosive material he had on him was PETN. I don't remember the NEW (net explosive weight) for PETN, but i'm sure it's a little bit stronger than most regular explosives. My guess is that it would take about 1-2 pounds of PETN to be a serious threat to the plane, and about 3-5 pounds to guarantee destruction of the plane. I doubt that it would be that hard to hide more than 1-2 pounds in your clothes. My guess is that a person could easily hide about 3-5 pounds, as long as there are no drug/bomb sniffing dogs around. I'm positive that 3-5 pounds is more than enough to take a plane down, although i'd have to talk to a more experienced explosives technician and commercial pilot to confirm that. seekliberation
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Avatar' arouses conservatives' ire
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberat...@... wrote: I saw the movie. Awesome graphics, yet a very boring plot IMO. Regarding left wing/right wing oppositions to aspects of the movie, I do find it odd that liberals identify with cultures that possess many of the same qualities that 'most' of them completely lack, or greatly despise. The indegenous people in Avatar were very warlike, they were hunters, and lived a very harsh life in a very dangerous environment. Even the women were rather aggressive and able to hunt and fight. The only reason it seemed possible to gain their respect is because a Marine joined their tribe and could actually hang with their toughest members and pass tests of fearlessness. Otherwise they would've looked at anyone else as being too weak or feeble to be among their culture. Dances with Wolves followed a similar pattern. If there is anything I get from either of those movies, it is that you must have respect for both sides of life, basically a yin/yang concept. An absence of one or the other is incomplete. Not sure where or if this fits in, but my sister pointed out to me that all the Indian women in Dances With Wolves were beautifully groomed, their hair in neat braids or pulled back, whereas the 'do of Stands with a Fist, the white woman who was supposedly completely assimilated into the Lakota culture and fiercely loyal to it, was loose, messy and unkempt, as if she never combed it. That had to have been a choice, but what was it supposed to mean? Big disconnect somehow. [mcdonnell] http://www.flickr.com/photos/36189...@n02/4251660156/ [tantoo cardinal] http://www.flickr.com/photos/36189...@n02/4251660166/
[FairfieldLife] Once again Rep. Paul a voice of reason
He, Kucinich and Senator Franken are not afraid to speak the truth: Ron Paul slams Cheney: US ‘doing exactly what bin Laden planned’ Fourteen or 15 of the [9/11] terrorists came from Saudi Arabia, Paul said. We didn't attack Saudi Arabia, we attacked Iraq. It doesn't make sense. ... You don't declare war against these countries and say we have to go in and start bombing Pakistan and bombing Afghanistan and bombing Yemen. More here: http://rawstory.com/2009/01/ron-paul-slams-dick-cheney/ To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: fairfieldlife-dig...@yahoogroups.com fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: fairfieldlife-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Most Useless Machine Ever
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost...@... wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z86V_ICUCD4feature=player_embedded Any chance you could post marvels like that *before* christmas next time?
[FairfieldLife] Y2010 bug strikes!
2010 bug hits millions of German bank cards Credit and debit cards contain software that can't process number `2010' BERLIN - Millions of German bank cards have been affected by a millennium bug-like problem because they contain software that can't process the number 2010, an industry group said Tuesday. The DSGV group, which represents public-sector banks, said some 20 million debit cards issued by those banks were affected, along with around 3.5 million credit cards nearly half of the total number of cards issued by those banks. The group said cash machines were adjusted hours after the problem emerged to ensure that customers can withdraw money, but there may still be problems using some debit-card terminals. Those should be fixed by Monday, it said. Problems remain with credit cards and customers should use debit cards instead for now, the group added. Computer experts widely believed that hardware and software systems would fail as the clocks rolled over to the year 2000. The problem, they said, would be caused when computers and other devices, which used only two digits to represent the year, mistook the year 2000 for the year 1900. In the end, however, the so-called millennium bug caused few problems. From: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34706092/ns/technology_and_science-security/ http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34706092/ns/technology_and_science-security\ /
[FairfieldLife] Re: Underpants of mass destruction
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberat...@... wrote: Who trusts the government in telling us that amount of the supposed explosive could have blown up the plane? well, you can trust me, I have no reason to lie. Supposedly, the explosive material he had on him was PETN. I don't remember the NEW (net explosive weight) for PETN, but i'm sure it's a little bit stronger than most regular explosives. My guess is that it would take about 1-2 pounds of PETN to be a serious threat to the plane, and about 3-5 pounds to guarantee destruction of the plane. I doubt that it would be that hard to hide more than 1-2 pounds in your clothes. My guess is that a person could easily hide about 3-5 pounds, as long as there are no drug/bomb sniffing dogs around. I'm positive that 3-5 pounds is more than enough to take a plane down, although i'd have to talk to a more experienced explosives technician and commercial pilot to confirm that. From what I've read, blow up the plane and bring the plane down aren't necessarily equivalent. The explosive he had on him--80 grams, I believe--wasn't enough to blow the plane to bits, but it would have blown a hole in the fuselage. What the effects of that would have been depends on other things such as altitude, speed, etc., and the exact placement and size of the hole. Worst case, the plane could have come apart in midair; best case, it could have landed safely despite the hole. In between, the blast could have made the plane unmanageable and caused it to crash-land (debris from the blast damaging the wing flaps or the tail or slicing through the hydraulics, e.g.). And nearby passengers could have been sucked out through the hole if they weren't belted in.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Underpants of mass destruction
if 80 grams is all he had on him, the only way that amount would kill everyone is if it were detonated at a very high altitude at max speed. It would be enough to blow a hole in thes fuselage of the plane, causing a massive change in cabin pressure, possibly causing a chain reaction that forces the plane to fall apart from there (but once again, i'd have to talk to a commercial pilot about that issue). But if the plane were close to landing and only going about 200-250 mph, my guess is that the attack would be survivable. seekliberation From what I've read, blow up the plane and bring the plane down aren't necessarily equivalent. The explosive he had on him--80 grams, I believe--wasn't enough to blow the plane to bits, but it would have blown a hole in the fuselage. What the effects of that would have been depends on other things such as altitude, speed, etc., and the exact placement and size of the hole. Worst case, the plane could have come apart in midair; best case, it could have landed safely despite the hole. In between, the blast could have made the plane unmanageable and caused it to crash-land (debris from the blast damaging the wing flaps or the tail or slicing through the hydraulics, e.g.). And nearby passengers could have been sucked out through the hole if they weren't belted in.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Underpants of mass destruction
WillyTex wrote: Bhairitu wrote: Actually you aren't far from wrong. They keep criminalizing things that shouldn't be so they can fill prisons and build new ones... 'They' is you, and your Democratic Party. You could 'throw the bums out' in the next election. Maybe it's time for the Democrats in California to retire - they've brought the state to a near bankruptcy. Your elected leaders are trying to tax your business out of existence. If you don't get out and vote, you may find yourself living on the street or at your relative's house. The liberal voters out there in California must be totally insane! With your political view, I'd think you'd be one of the first people to get out of there. From what I've heard, California wants to house the Gitmo prisoners from Yemen at Chino - they need the federal money. As I've said many a time here I'm not a Democrat. I'm registered as decline to state in California. That means NO affiliation with ANY political party. However you don't live in California and hence don't know that blame for the state's problems fall on both sides of the aisle. Apparently there were no grown ups there. They didn't seem to realize that what goes up must come down and hence that boom times don't last. They were like a bunch of drunken sailors.It's not liberals who are crazy in California, it is those who feel entitled who are crazy. They want everything and don't want to pay for it. They vote for all kinds of referendums (maybe we should call them referendumbs) that won't work and can't be financed. Direct democracy is not often a good idea.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Underpants of mass destruction
seekliberation wrote: Who trusts the government in telling us that amount of the supposed explosive could have blown up the plane? well, you can trust me, I have no reason to lie. Supposedly, the explosive material he had on him was PETN. I don't remember the NEW (net explosive weight) for PETN, but i'm sure it's a little bit stronger than most regular explosives. My guess is that it would take about 1-2 pounds of PETN to be a serious threat to the plane, and about 3-5 pounds to guarantee destruction of the plane. I doubt that it would be that hard to hide more than 1-2 pounds in your clothes. My guess is that a person could easily hide about 3-5 pounds, as long as there are no drug/bomb sniffing dogs around. I'm positive that 3-5 pounds is more than enough to take a plane down, although i'd have to talk to a more experienced explosives technician and commercial pilot to confirm that. seekliberation And just who told us the guy had PETN? Do we trust their information? They're sort of modern day chicken littles with their own agenda. And that agenda is to take away more of our rights.
[FairfieldLife] Correction of 80 grams calculation (was: Re: Underpants of mass destruction)
in rebuttal to myself below, I have to correct something. I just checked it out on the metric conversion chart. If 80 grams of PETN was all that the underwear bomber had on him, it would be very difficult to take the plane down. The only way I can imagine pulling it off is one of 2 ways: 1. Place the explosives right next to the fuel tank (which is not possible from the cabin) 2. Very carefully place the explosives on the window or very close to the window to guarantee the detonation will create at least somewhat of a hole in the side of the aircraft (this would be a little time consuming, which may be how he was caught) seekliberation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberat...@... wrote: if 80 grams is all he had on him, the only way that amount would kill everyone is if it were detonated at a very high altitude at max speed. It would be enough to blow a hole in thes fuselage of the plane, causing a massive change in cabin pressure, possibly causing a chain reaction that forces the plane to fall apart from there (but once again, i'd have to talk to a commercial pilot about that issue). But if the plane were close to landing and only going about 200-250 mph, my guess is that the attack would be survivable. seekliberation From what I've read, blow up the plane and bring the plane down aren't necessarily equivalent. The explosive he had on him--80 grams, I believe--wasn't enough to blow the plane to bits, but it would have blown a hole in the fuselage. What the effects of that would have been depends on other things such as altitude, speed, etc., and the exact placement and size of the hole. Worst case, the plane could have come apart in midair; best case, it could have landed safely despite the hole. In between, the blast could have made the plane unmanageable and caused it to crash-land (debris from the blast damaging the wing flaps or the tail or slicing through the hydraulics, e.g.). And nearby passengers could have been sucked out through the hole if they weren't belted in.
[FairfieldLife] Guido and raja !!!! [1 Attachment]
Hello Rick, Happy New Year, and a sensation in germany. Our outside minister, Guido Westerwave, was honored by our Raja. They discussed, how to make TM more attractive for homosexual people http://www.faz.net/s/homepage.html (and pls., if you post this, don`t add my name to it...) cheers http://www.faz.net/s/Rub594835B672714A1DB1A121534F010EE1/Doc~EDDF1162F24D44 ABDA5051C4806EE9BF3~ATpl~Ecommon~Scontent.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Underpants of mass destruction
I saw it on numerous news broadcasts that PETN is what the guy had on him. You sound rather petrified here. What exactly is your theory of whats going on here? Correct me if i'm wrong, but it seems you think that this kid from Nigeria was really trained or sent by U.S. Government to create fear and paranoia, rather than actually trained by Yemen based Al Quada forces. Although I don't care much for Obama, your theory definitely shows a lack of faith in his deep desire to expose the CIA and military to the flamethrower when it comes to wrong doing. If there is something wrong or shady going on, Obama has been relentless at pursuing it and eliminating it (Guantanamo Bay, waterboarding, etc...). So if there's a government conspiracy here, then that means Obama is in on it, and we're all doomed no matter what. It's not just George Bush and the evil right wing, even our beloved hero wants Americans to be afraid. seekliberation And just who told us the guy had PETN? Do we trust their information? They're sort of modern day chicken littles with their own agenda. And that agenda is to take away more of our rights.
[FairfieldLife] Lib'rul Media Watch
Commenting on the news yesterday that Democratic senators Dorgan and Dodd and Colorado governor Ritter won't run for reelection, ABC News' The Note (Washington's Most Influential Tipsheet) observes, in a post titled Democrats Are Dropping Like Flies: You will certainly hear a lot of talk from Republicans that Democrats are beginning to face the reality of just how tough the current political landscape looks for them and they are running for the hills. http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2010/01/democrats-are-dropping-like-flies.html http://tinyurl.com/yk7kpzv - Number of Democratic senators who have chosen not to run: 2 Number of Republican senators who have chosen not to run: 6 Number of Democratic reps who have chosen not to run: 10 Number of Republican reps who have chosen not to run: 14 Number of Democratic governors who have chosen not to run: 3 Number of Republican governors who have chosen not to run: 5
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guido and raja !!!!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: Happy New Year, and a sensation in germany. Our outside minister, Guido Westerwave, was honored by our Raja. They discussed, how to make TM more attractive for homosexual people Not a problem. Just promise them that they'll eventually get to dress up in blue-and-gold silk dresses and wear bowls on their heads. http://www.faz.net/s/Rub594835B672714A1DB1A121534F010EE1/Doc%7EEDDF1162\ F24D44ABDA5051C4806EE9BF3%7EATpl%7EEcommon%7EScontent.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Underpants of mass destruction
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberat...@... wrote: I saw it on numerous news broadcasts that PETN is what the guy had on him. You sound rather petrified here. What exactly is your theory of whats going on here? Correct me if i'm wrong, but it seems you think that this kid from Nigeria was really trained or sent by U.S. Government to create fear and paranoia, rather than actually trained by Yemen based Al Quada forces. I think he's suggesting that the gummint is making it sound much more potentially dire than it really was so they can impose stricter controls on us. Of course, the Obama administration was also eager to provide the Republicans with an excuse to beat them up for allowing something so potentially dire to happen. I mean, if they'd downplayed it, the Republicans would have had a much harder time making a big deal of it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Underpants of mass destruction
If there is something wrong or shady going on, Obama has been relentless at pursuing it and eliminating it (Guantanamo Bay, waterboarding, etc...)... Apparently several Guantanamo inmates were returned to Yemen - one broke out of jail there and some of the others were let loose by the Yemeni Government. From what I've heard, several of the detainees that Obama released were the trainers that set up the 'Underpants Bomber' and supplied him with the PETN. This was obviously a big mistake, and led to the near catastrophe over Detroit. Now, the bomber is hiding behind his Miranda rights and court-appointed attorney, so we can't even get him to tell us from where he got the bomb and how many other bombers are out there now. What a bunch of losers! Can't even keep gate-crashers out of the White House - it's just outrageous what's going on with our national security. So, I'd say that Obama and Clinton really dropped the ball when he and his people didn't pay attention to what's going on - they should have put the guy on the 'no-fly list' and revoked his U.S. visa back when the bomber's father alerted the State Department. It was a really dumb thing to do - let those terrorists go back to Yemen to train more other terrorists to then get on a plane and kill a bunch of innocent people. Read more: ...the State Department has announced it is revoking the U.S. visa for suspected Nigerian underwear bomber Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab. 'Obama administration revokes U.S. visa of accused Nigerian bomber' Posted by Andrew Malcolm Los Angeles Times, January 5, 2010
[FairfieldLife] Re: Underpants of mass destruction
The only strict control I see happening as a result of all this is that our rides at the airport are going to become more inconvenient. However, I flew an international flight about a week after the incident. I can't say I experienced anything bad at all. As far as the government having a scheme to dramatize the whole situation to make it sound more serious than what it really is, I think that's a bogus idea. In the news EVERYTHING is dramatized. Actors lives, sports news, weather, traffic jams, school systems, etc.it is all dramatized to get simple minded people to pay attention and possibly pay money for things they don't really need. The whole sports industry, child safety equipment, clothing and apparel, preparation for global warming, the year 2012, potential sickness and disease, spirituality and religion, even within our own families, the list goes on. Everything, not just terrorism, is dramatized to keep us in a somewhat hyper state. It's not just government that depends on it, it's pretty much our entire social system. In fact, the TMO depends on it too. I remember the way things were taught at MIU, in a very subtle way we were made to be afraid of what would happen if we don't become enlightened in this lifetime. I could tell it got a lot of people to put a lot more into the TMO as a result. Paranoia is everywhere, not just in the government. seekliberation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: I think he's suggesting that the gummint is making it sound much more potentially dire than it really was so they can impose stricter controls on us. Of course, the Obama administration was also eager to provide the Republicans with an excuse to beat them up for allowing something so potentially dire to happen. I mean, if they'd downplayed it, the Republicans would have had a much harder time making a big deal of it.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Underpants of mass destruction
Me pertrified? :-D Hardly, I was raised being told don't believe everything you read in the newspaper. Ever heard of the term MSM (Main Stream Media)? I'm just suggesting that people should not swallow everything hook line and sinker. It amazes me how educated and supposedly enlightened people can fall right in line with agendas without ever questioning them. I don't know about you but I don't want to do a full body scan at the airport and I especially don't want a cavity search. People should be up in arms over such things as the result of one little incident. But we have a nation of sheeple (or zombies as I often call them. Hell, we used to call them the ignorant in TM). A friend who does a lot of business travel out of the country is dreading these draconian measures. It's like they don't want us to travel at all as we'll see how the other half lives and in some cases better than the greatest country on earth. There are two kinds of opinions one finds online and especially here on FFL. One is what people really think and the other is a proforma ( how they want to appear to people even if it is not their real thoughts). I speak my mind and it does not often go over well. But I don't care. I've been doing that all my life. Line on water. I would say the interests of Wall Street and probably the MIC trump anything Obama wanted to do for the people. Should 1% of the population really run things because they are the wealthiest? I say not! They got there by hook or by crook and probably much of the time the latter (they pay attorneys to cover their tracks). It is up to the people to allow this to continue or say enough already! seekliberation wrote: I saw it on numerous news broadcasts that PETN is what the guy had on him. You sound rather petrified here. What exactly is your theory of whats going on here? Correct me if i'm wrong, but it seems you think that this kid from Nigeria was really trained or sent by U.S. Government to create fear and paranoia, rather than actually trained by Yemen based Al Quada forces. Although I don't care much for Obama, your theory definitely shows a lack of faith in his deep desire to expose the CIA and military to the flamethrower when it comes to wrong doing. If there is something wrong or shady going on, Obama has been relentless at pursuing it and eliminating it (Guantanamo Bay, waterboarding, etc...). So if there's a government conspiracy here, then that means Obama is in on it, and we're all doomed no matter what. It's not just George Bush and the evil right wing, even our beloved hero wants Americans to be afraid. seekliberation And just who told us the guy had PETN? Do we trust their information? They're sort of modern day chicken littles with their own agenda. And that agenda is to take away more of our rights.
[FairfieldLife] Politically correct term: PMFC (was: Re: Underpants of mass destruction)
Willy, there's something you don't understand here. There is no such thing as a terrorist. The politically correct term is 'politically misguided foriegn consituent' (PMFC). It is not the PMFC's fault. It is our fault as Americans that he became a PMFC. If we woud stop being evil and convert to Islam and completely adopt their way of life, they would stop all this madness immediately. So for the most part, the only thing we have to blame is ourselves. seekliberation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: It was a really dumb thing to do - let those terrorists go back to Yemen to train more other terrorists to then get on a plane and kill a bunch of innocent people.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Underpants of mass destruction
The bomber was sitting over a wing where fuel lines run, hoping to ignite fuel,which would have brought the plain down. From: authfriend jst...@panix.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, January 6, 2010 9:44:38 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Underpants of mass destruction --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, seekliberation seekliberation@ ... wrote: Who trusts the government in telling us that amount of the supposed explosive could have blown up the plane? well, you can trust me, I have no reason to lie. Supposedly, the explosive material he had on him was PETN. I don't remember the NEW (net explosive weight) for PETN, but i'm sure it's a little bit stronger than most regular explosives. My guess is that it would take about 1-2 pounds of PETN to be a serious threat to the plane, and about 3-5 pounds to guarantee destruction of the plane. I doubt that it would be that hard to hide more than 1-2 pounds in your clothes. My guess is that a person could easily hide about 3-5 pounds, as long as there are no drug/bomb sniffing dogs around. I'm positive that 3-5 pounds is more than enough to take a plane down, although i'd have to talk to a more experienced explosives technician and commercial pilot to confirm that. From what I've read, blow up the plane and bring the plane down aren't necessarily equivalent. The explosive he had on him--80 grams, I believe--wasn' t enough to blow the plane to bits, but it would have blown a hole in the fuselage. What the effects of that would have been depends on other things such as altitude, speed, etc., and the exact placement and size of the hole. Worst case, the plane could have come apart in midair; best case, it could have landed safely despite the hole. In between, the blast could have made the plane unmanageable and caused it to crash-land (debris from the blast damaging the wing flaps or the tail or slicing through the hydraulics, e.g.). And nearby passengers could have been sucked out through the hole if they weren't belted in.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Underpants of mass destruction
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: Me pertrified? :-D Hardly, I was raised being told don't believe everything you read in the newspaper. Ever heard of the term MSM (Main Stream Media)? I'm just suggesting that people should not swallow everything hook line and sinker. It amazes me how educated and supposedly enlightened people can fall right in line with agendas without ever questioning them. I agree 100%. I don't know about you but I don't want to do a full body scan at the airport and I especially don't want a cavity search. People should be up in arms over such things as the result of one little incident. But we have a nation of sheeple (or zombies as I often call them. Hell, we used to call them the ignorant in TM). I don't want to do these scans either. But I don't believe that they are being done to 'control' us. They are rather being done to give the 'sheeple' a false sense of security. Americans simply want to live with the illusion that they can live a perfectly safe life, and they elect government officials to feed them that illusion. The truth is that the government will never be able to weed out terrorism. But, in order for people in government to keep their job, every time an incident like this occurs they have to do something to make the appearance of something effective being done, even if it doesn't work. Then they roll the dice and hope nothing happens for a while so they can keep their job. I would say the interests of Wall Street and probably the MIC trump anything Obama wanted to do for the people. Should 1% of the population really run things because they are the wealthiest? I say not! They got there by hook or by crook and probably much of the time the latter (they pay attorneys to cover their tracks). It is up to the people to allow this to continue or say enough already! Unfortunately, the interests of about 1% of the population have always been running things since the beginning of vast societies. There isn't much the people can do, in my opinion unless a very forceful and drastic revolt occurs. seekliberation
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guido and raja !!!!
Ummm,, the brahmacharya thing needs to be kept quiet though. From: TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, January 6, 2010 10:33:52 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guido and raja --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: Happy New Year, and a sensation in germany. Our outside minister, Guido Westerwave, was honored by our Raja. They discussed, how to make TM more attractive for homosexual people Not a problem. Just promise them that they'll eventually get to dress up in blue-and-gold silk dresses and wear bowls on their heads.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Underpants of mass destruction
Yes, I remember mentioning that in an earlier post, that his strategy was to blow the charge near a fuel tank. I'm not an expert on plane construction, but I do know a little about explosives. I'm pretty sure that 80 grams of PETN ignited in the cabin would be unlikely to affect the fuel lines. I'd have to confirm the NEW (net explosive weight) of 80 grams of PETN by doing some research, but i'm pretty sure that's a very small charge. The chances of that charge having an effect on any part of the plane besides the cabin itself is extremely unlikely. seekliberation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@... wrote: The bomber was sitting over a wing where fuel lines run, hoping to ignite fuel,which would have brought the plain down.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Underpants of mass destruction
So much for finger painting therapy. From: WillyTex willy...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, January 6, 2010 11:24:55 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Underpants of mass destruction If there is something wrong or shady going on, Obama has been relentless at pursuing it and eliminating it (Guantanamo Bay, waterboarding, etc...)... Apparently several Guantanamo inmates were returned to Yemen - one broke out of jail there and some of the others were let loose by the Yemeni Government. From what I've heard, several of the detainees that Obama released were the trainers that set up the 'Underpants Bomber' and supplied him with the PETN. This was obviously a big mistake, and led to the near catastrophe over Detroit. Now, the bomber is hiding behind his Miranda rights and court-appointed attorney, so we can't even get him to tell us from where he got the bomb and how many other bombers are out there now. What a bunch of losers! Can't even keep gate-crashers out of the White House - it's just outrageous what's going on with our national security. So, I'd say that Obama and Clinton really dropped the ball when he and his people didn't pay attention to what's going on - they should have put the guy on the 'no-fly list' and revoked his U.S. visa back when the bomber's father alerted the State Department. It was a really dumb thing to do - let those terrorists go back to Yemen to train more other terrorists to then get on a plane and kill a bunch of innocent people. Read more: ...the State Department has announced it is revoking the U.S. visa for suspected Nigerian underwear bomber Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab. 'Obama administration revokes U.S. visa of accused Nigerian bomber' Posted by Andrew Malcolm Los Angeles Times, January 5, 2010
[FairfieldLife] Re: Underpants of mass destruction
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: snip From what I've heard, several of the detainees that Obama released were the trainers that set up the 'Underpants Bomber' and supplied him with the PETN. In fact, those were detainees that *Bush* released.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Underpants of mass destruction
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberat...@... wrote: Yes, I remember mentioning that in an earlier post, that his strategy was to blow the charge near a fuel tank. I'm not an expert on plane construction, but I do know a little about explosives. I'm pretty sure that 80 grams of PETN ignited in the cabin would be unlikely to affect the fuel lines. I'd have to confirm the NEW (net explosive weight) of 80 grams of PETN by doing some research, but i'm pretty sure that's a very small charge. The chances of that charge having an effect on any part of the plane besides the cabin itself is extremely unlikely. FWIW, from Patrick Smith, an active airline pilot, in his column on Salon: If Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab had not failed, and had his diaper bomb exploded, would the plane have crashed?... The answer is maybe. A bomb destroys a plane not by igniting the fuel tanks, but by violently rupturing the pressurized fuselage. Even if the rupture is relatively small, the entire plane can be ripped apart in literally just a few seconds by the resultant forces. This is what happened with Pan Am 103 and the UTA bombing back in the 1980s, among others. Any fuel tank explosions were just a byproduct of the in-flight breakup. Abdulmutallab was carrying approximately 80 grams of the chemical PETN. That was more than enough to blow a hole in the A330's fuselage, but whether the plane would have crashed isn't clear. The precise dynamics of an explosive decompression will differ, depending mainly on the aircraft's altitude (i.e., the level of pressurization), speed and the specific location and size of any breach. (The luggage bomb that brought down Pan Am 103 initially created a 15-foot, star-shaped hole.) There have been several instances of safe landings made after an in-flight explosion tore through the fuselage, including that of TWA Flight 840 in 1986. http://www.salon.com/news/transportation_security_administration/index.html?story=/tech/col/smith/2010/01/05/askthepilot346 http://tinyurl.com/ye2l4gw
[FairfieldLife] For the gadget geeks on FFL
This week is the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas. Though I've been before I didn't go this year. The show is too hard on the feet as it is in a huge convention center with concrete floors. Even a new pair of NB running shoes didn't help much the last time I went (2003). This year is heavy on gadgets. One that was highlighted (though not so much in the following report) is Mobile DTV which is a replacement for the little analog pocket sets you may have and no longer work now that DTV is here. There are mobile DTV but they don't work very well with HDTV because the signal is difficult to receive while moving and the electronics to scale the HD image down to something small is expensive and battery consuming. The solution was to broadcast a special signal of the HD signal but reduced to a 3G size image. It will work as long as your local stations are broadcasting these signals. Anyway here is a roundup of what is showing and keep checking back as they will add more items: http://ces.cnet.com/8300-31045_1-269-0.html PS: a hype jacket is also handy for the show. It's sort of like a flack jacket but repels hype instead. ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Underpants of mass destruction
Bhairitu wrote: It amazes me how educated and supposedly enlightened people can fall right in line with agendas without ever questioning them... Well that's the point - why didn't they question the 'Underpants Bomber'? If you are so enlightened, why didn't you think of that BEFORE the bomber got on the plane? His father already told the authorities that his son was joining the al Qaeda. If you're so educated, why didn't you connect all the dots? Until the TSA starts screening for potential bombers, I won't be flying on any more international flights into the U.S., even if you gave me a free ticket. If you want to fly around without any airport security that's up to you - your choice. Good luck. I don't know about you but I don't want to do a full body scan at the airport and I especially don't want a cavity search... Well, I'm in favor of full body scans and cavity searches on everyone who is listed on the 'no-fly list', who just got banned from the U.K., who pays with cash, has no travel bags, on all flights originating or passing through places like Iran, Pakistan, Yemen, Gaza, Syria, and Egypt, who just walked out of a local Yemeni terrorist training camp after being given plastic explosives, but apparently you're not. Go figure. The clamor to ramp up airport security with invasive naked body imaging scanners has nothing to do with ensuring the safety of travelers. Rather it is part of an ongoing incremental push to break the will of the people and encourage mass subservience and meek obedience... Read more: 'The Real Purpose Of Body Scanners' Posted by Steve Watson Prisonplanet, Wednesday, Jan 6, 2010 http://tinyurl.com/yd39r7u
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Underpants of mass destruction
seekliberation wrote: I don't know about you but I don't want to do a full body scan at the airport and I especially don't want a cavity search. People should be up in arms over such things as the result of one little incident. But we have a nation of sheeple (or zombies as I often call them. Hell, we used to call them the ignorant in TM). I don't want to do these scans either. But I don't believe that they are being done to 'control' us. They are rather being done to give the 'sheeple' a false sense of security. Americans simply want to live with the illusion that they can live a perfectly safe life, and they elect government officials to feed them that illusion. The truth is that the government will never be able to weed out terrorism. But, in order for people in government to keep their job, every time an incident like this occurs they have to do something to make the appearance of something effective being done, even if it doesn't work. Then they roll the dice and hope nothing happens for a while so they can keep their job. After the incident I posted here on it and mentioned the measures were security theater meant to make the public feel safer flying. Taking off your shoes is definitely security theater and not even done in other countries. Another factor is the litigious effect or attorneys telling the government that if they don't do this or that they'll be liable. Now a really good politician might stand up and say the legal staff has told us to do this but I don't think Americans want such draconian measures. You have a bigger chance of being hit by lightning on a golf course than being blown up in a plane bombing. Maybe golf courses should have a patrol to round golfers up if they want to finish the course during a thunderstorm. :-D As for controlling us they've been doing that for ages especially during the 20th century to make us more willing consumers. Look up the BBC documentary Century of the Self on Google Video. Heh, I've even been on the other side of the desk for that too. ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Underpants of mass destruction
My guess is that a person could easily hide about 3-5 pounds, as long as there are no drug/bomb sniffing dogs around... My guess is that the terrorists have over a ton of PETN at their disposal and over 3000 dedicated suicide volunteers ready to ignite the substance anywhere they can get inside a plane or a building or a market. It's probably only a matter of time before the terrorists get ahold of a nuclear dirty bomb in Pakistan and only a few years when Iran will be able to fire a nuclear device into Tel Aviv. Apparently the North Koreans can do this already and in fact they passed off to Pakistan the blueprints for a nuclear bomb. It's no secret that Pakistan then gave the blueprints to Iran. In less than five years there will be WW III in the free world unless we do something to stop them now. It's too late to do anything after New York City is laid to waste! Our only hope is to vote into office some individuals who will stand up and fight the terrorists and kill them before they kill us. I'm not convinced that Obama and Biden can protect the country and make it safe, so fer sure I won't be trusting them in the next election! There is going to be hell to pay if there's a successful attack on U.S. soil again under Obama's watch. Why do you think he is so angry now - this could already mean that he won't be around for a second term.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Underpants of mass destruction
From what I've heard, several of the detainees that Obama released were the trainers that set up the 'Underpants Bomber' and supplied him with the PETN. In fact, those were detainees that *Bush* released. *Bush* didn't release anyone from Gitmo, that's the job of the U.S. Congress. So, how would you be knowing who has been released from Guantanamo when, and where they went? Whoever did that made a very big mistake - now the terrorist recidivism rate is off the scales! It is a very dumb idea to let enemy combatants go free or have them tried in U.S. Courts. Stupid and dumb, that's what I think. Since Obama took office, 42 detainees have been repatriated, seven of them to Yemen... 'More Ex-Guantanamo Detainees Resorting to Terror, Officials Say By Jeff Bliss and Tony Capaccio Business Week, January 6, 2010 http://tinyurl.com/yaolbe9' U.S. officials believe two Saudis released from Guantánamo, one in 2006 and the other in 2007, may have played significant roles in al-Qaida activities in Yemen... 'Pentagon: More Returning to Fight After Gitmo' Time, January 6, 2010 http://tinyurl.com/ybgdkuv In addition, two Guantanamo Bay prisoners released previously have become leaders of al-Qaeda in Yemen... 'Obama's Guantanamo problems pile up' By Paul Reynolds BBC News, January 6, 2010 http://tinyurl.com/yk73lqc
[FairfieldLife] Re: Underpants of mass destruction
I saw the beginning of this video, and agree with it for the most part. But it is still in the same spirit of blaming something or someone other than our own selves. Also, it is not big corporations and government alone. It is everyone i've come across in my life. Priests, teachers, parents, close friends, store owners, bosses, co-workers, basically everyone in my life at one time or another has some way of trying to convince me to spend more money, try to acquire things that I don't really want, or simply make me feel like i'm missing out on something. If i'm going to blame big business and government and hate them for it, then I have no logical choice but to hate all my friends, family and co-workers as well. One thing i've learned over the years is that if you're weak or ignorant, you are fair game.period. I know it's sad, but we're not here on this planet to remain ignorant forever, and most of us are young souls with a tendency to take advantage of one another. IMHO, I think the people who take advantage of us are sometimes nature's way of forcing us to break free from weaknesses and ignorance that would otherwise remain strong without those who take advantage in the first place. Kind of a 'that which does not kill me makes me stronger' concept. seekliberation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: As for controlling us they've been doing that for ages especially during the 20th century to make us more willing consumers. Look up the BBC documentary Century of the Self on Google Video. Heh, I've even been on the other side of the desk for that too. ;-)
[FairfieldLife] What was he thinking?
Like Tiger Woods, Barack Obama let his eye off the ball and then he dropped it. Obama didn't keep America safe. It's probably too late for Tiger to save his marriage, but it's time for Obama to wake up and smell the coffee. It's not enough to stop sending Guantanamo detainees back to Yemen! WASHINGTON Two Guantanamo detainees who were sent back to Saudi Arabia -- Abu Sufyan al-Azdi al-Shihri and Mazin Salih Musaid al- Alawial-Awfi -- are leaders of al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, according to the April Pentagon report...Since Obama took office, 42 detainees have been repatriated, seven of them to Yemen...' Full story: 'One in 5 ex-Guantanamo detainees joining militants' By Adam Entous and Phil Stewart Reuters, January 6, 2010 http://tinyurl.com/ycwoasf President Obama has weakened American security by treating terror as a law enforcement matter, refusing to use every tool at his disposal to prevent attacks, and taking his eye off the ball... 'Another Cheney blasts Obama on terrorism' Posted by Foon Rhee Boston Globe, January 6, 2010 http://tinyurl.com/yh6stpg
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Most Useless Machine Ever
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , PaliGap compost...@... wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z86V_ICUCD4feature=player_embedded http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z86V_ICUCD4feature=player_embedded LOL ! That's great ! OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: I'm new here.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Becky starvingvet2981@ wrote: I just had to inject in this group people will judge me. They always do,many do. While I welcome you and appreciate your comments about AVATAR, I might suggest that there might be a more graceful way to introduce yourself than, Hi. I'm new here. Many of you are going to judge me and beat me up and condemn me like everyone else has done in my whole life. I expect it. Seems to me that you're working out a self fulfilling prophecy thang here. How 'bout just introducing yourself, stating an opinion about something and seeing what reaction it gets, without trying to pre-program what that reaction might be? It is my experience that those who feel the need to announce that they are pagans within seconds of meeting them are *hoping* for a bad reaction and some kind of persecution. If that's *not* what you're looking for, you might consider starting over. The first post I ever read of TurquoiseB was a disgusting insult about someone's nether regions. He's cleaned up his act a little since then I see. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: I'm new here.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Becky starvingvet2...@... wrote: I just had to inject in this group people will judge me. They always do,many do.That's ok it leaves more for questions,and with the open minded questions can contribute to others and then hence forth knowledge eventually leads towards wisdom. I LOVED,LOVED the flick Avatar,it spoke to me in many levels spirtually,as Dances with Wolves had,it justr had BETTER IMAX 3-D imaging. But a good storyline.I gave it 4 stars. It will sink any movie ever in the History of mankind ever!!! It took 4 yrs to make!!! TheI see you,really got me way down emtionally.Like the ending of Dances with Wolves had when the angry indian says,you are the wind in my hair,you are the smile on the clouds,etc I cry everytime! Same goes with the ending og the movie,Ghost. I was seventeen when I saw it,with a guy. I tryed to find a guy to make melove myself. I had oodles of men,but not what I wanted,and it was always sex. Sorry I'm being very honest here,and I am really trying to make a valid point here.I did not my own idenity until I was twenty eight. I used to be a Christain for many,many yrs. I wasTAUGHT to be so. I am now a proud pagan,not witch. Look up this site before even passing judgement ok-www.witchvox.com Look up www.ravengramassi.com http://www.ravengramassi.com . I WILL NOT TALK TO ANY BIBLE THUMPERS AT ALL Ok,gotta go. ~ Blessed Be ~ My mother was a white witch and pagan devotee of Gaia. I am the son of my pagan mother and atheist father, who, in turn, were the children of atheists and agnostics. Others on this discussion here are agnostics, atheists, deists, a couple of pretend buddhists, and some who could be loosely described as vedantists (followers of ancient wisdom - Ved), along with some occultists and tantrics, and some plain old run-of-the-mill grumpy old men (as you've already met in the case of TurquoiseB) You'll fit right in here. Welcome. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: I'm new here.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: snip How 'bout just introducing yourself, stating an opinion about something and seeing what reaction it gets, without trying to pre-program what that reaction might be? Once you've been here as long as Barry, though, you can feel entirely free to pre-program the reaction to your posts, just as he does: And my bet is that many of the female persuasion will become uptight over this skeptical report, just as religious fanatics become uptight when skeptics ask them to prove the existence of God And if your pre-programming turns out not to work, you can do what Barry does as well: pretend it *did* work. Like this: Please note that my tongue-in-cheek introduction to a news article I neither agreed with nor disagreed with has proved completely true on FFL Barry claims the right never to admit making a mistake. You might as well do the same; that way you can say any durn thing you please, and you'll never have to be accountable.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guido and raja !!!!
The guy who sent me this now says: Hahaha, the gag is, this is not the raja, but some guy dressed as one of the holy three men, that moved to find Jesus. Its a holiday on Jan. 6th in southern Germany. That's why it was news on front page, that our homosexual outerside minister is meeting with the holy men. Nice photo, no deeper meaning involved I wondered why the crowns were thicker. From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of TurquoiseB Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 12:34 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guido and raja --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: Happy New Year, and a sensation in germany. Our outside minister, Guido Westerwave, was honored by our Raja. They discussed, how to make TM more attractive for homosexual people Not a problem. Just promise them that they'll eventually get to dress up in blue-and-gold silk dresses and wear bowls on their heads. http://www.faz.net/s/Rub594835B672714A1DB1A121534F010EE1/Doc%7EEDDF1162F24D 44ABDA5051C4806EE9BF3%7EATpl%7EEcommon%7EScontent.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Avatar' arouses conservatives' ire
Avatar' arouses conservatives' ire Great ! I guess I'll have to see it after all ! I know its going to be a bunch of cliche-ridden extravagenvce, but I'll support the ethos at least - anything that pisses off neocons and fundamentalsist is all right by me ! OffWorld --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: 'Avatar' arouses conservatives' ire Conservatives are blind to the 3-D blockbuster's charms By Patrick Goldstein [avatar_movie_promo_screenshot] It's no secret that Avatar has been stunningly successful on nearly every front. The James Cameron-directed sci-fi epic is already the fourth-highest-grossing film of all time, having earned more than $1 billion around the globe in less than three weeks of theatrical release. The film also has garnered effusive praise from critics, who've been planting its flag on a variety of critics Top 10 lists. The 3-D trip to Pandora is also viewed as a veritable shoo-in for a best picture Oscar nomination when the academy announces its nominees on Feb. 2. But amid this avalanche of praise and popularity, guess who hates the movie? America's prickly cadre of political conservatives. For years, pundits and bloggers on the right have ceaselessly attacked liberal Hollywood for being out of touch with rank and file moviegoers, complaining that executives and filmmakers continue to make films that have precious little resonance with Middle America. They have reacted with scorn to such high-profile liberal political advocacy films as Syriana, Milk, W., Religulous, Lions for Lambs, Brokeback Mountain, In the Valley of Elah, Rendition and Good Night, and Good Luck, saying that the movies' poor performances at the box office were a clear sign of how thoroughly uninterested real people were in the pet causes of showbiz progressives. Of course, Avatar totally turns this theory on its head. As a host of critics have noted, the film offers a blatantly pro-environmental message; it portrays U.S. military contractors in a decidedly negative light; and it clearly evokes the can't-we-all-get along vibe of the 1960s counterculture. These are all messages guaranteed to alienate everyday moviegoers, so say the right-wing pundits -- and yet the film has been wholeheartedly embraced by audiences everywhere, from Mississippi to Manhattan. To say that the film has evoked a storm of ire on the right would be an understatement. Big Hollywood's John Nolte, one of my favorite outspoken right-wing film essayists, blasted the film, calling it a sanctimonious thud of a movie so infested with one-dimensional characters and PC cliches that not a single plot turn, large or small, surprises. . . . Think of 'Avatar' as 'Death Wish' for leftists, a simplistic, revisionist revenge fantasy where if you . . . hate the bad guys (America) you're able to forgive the by-the-numbers predictability of it all. John Podhoretz, the Weekly Standard's film critic, called the film blitheringly stupid; indeed, it's among the dumbest movies I've ever seen. He goes on to say: You're going to hear a lot over the next couple of weeks about the movie's politics -- about how it's a Green epic about despoiling the environment, and an attack on the war in Iraq. . . . The conclusion does ask the audience to root for the defeat of American soldiers at the hands of an insurgency. So it is a deep expression of anti-Americanism -- kind of. The thing is, one would be giving Jim Cameron too much credit to take 'Avatar' -- with its . . . hatred of the military and American institutions and the notion that to be human is just way uncool -- at all seriously as a political document. It's more interesting as an example of how deeply rooted these standard issue counterculture cliches in Hollywood have become by now. Ross Douthat, writing in the New York Times, took Cameron to task on another favorite conservative front, as yet another Hollywood filmmaker who refuses to acknowledge the power of religion. Douthat calls Avatar the Gospel according to James. But not the Christian Gospel. Instead, 'Avatar' is Cameron's long apologia for pantheism -- a faith that equates God with Nature, and calls humanity into religious communion with the natural world. Douthat contends that societies close to nature, like the Na'vi in Avatar, aren't shining Edens at all -- they're places where existence tends to be nasty, brutish and short. There are tons of other grumpy conservative broadsides against the film, but I'll spare you the details, except to say that Cameron's grand cinematic fantasy, with its mixture of social comment, mysticism and transcendent, fanboy-style video game animation, seems to have hit a very raw nerve with political conservatives, who view everything -- foreign affairs, global warming, the White House Christmas tree -- through the prism of partisan sloganeering. But
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Underpants of mass destruction
The 4th part covers the marketing of the me generation or have it your way. Now we have the marketing or attempted marketing of the we generation. Not sure how that is going to work out. Most of my friends and family were aware of these things. I was warned against fads growing up. If consumers were like me advertising wouldn't work. ;-) But I do think we have allowed corporations to get away with too much and grow too large and therefore influence government. That's a scam and tyranny. seekliberation wrote: I saw the beginning of this video, and agree with it for the most part. But it is still in the same spirit of blaming something or someone other than our own selves. Also, it is not big corporations and government alone. It is everyone i've come across in my life. Priests, teachers, parents, close friends, store owners, bosses, co-workers, basically everyone in my life at one time or another has some way of trying to convince me to spend more money, try to acquire things that I don't really want, or simply make me feel like i'm missing out on something. If i'm going to blame big business and government and hate them for it, then I have no logical choice but to hate all my friends, family and co-workers as well. One thing i've learned over the years is that if you're weak or ignorant, you are fair game.period. I know it's sad, but we're not here on this planet to remain ignorant forever, and most of us are young souls with a tendency to take advantage of one another. IMHO, I think the people who take advantage of us are sometimes nature's way of forcing us to break free from weaknesses and ignorance that would otherwise remain strong without those who take advantage in the first place. Kind of a 'that which does not kill me makes me stronger' concept. seekliberation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: As for controlling us they've been doing that for ages especially during the 20th century to make us more willing consumers. Look up the BBC documentary Century of the Self on Google Video. Heh, I've even been on the other side of the desk for that too. ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Avatar' arouses conservatives' ire
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Jan 5, 2010, at 8:30 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Shemp will HATE AVATAR. He'll be sitting there in the theater trying to admire the film for *nothing more meaningful than making a shitload of money* and find himself sitting there watching the glori- fication of everything he most hates in life. And the presentation of most of the things he loves in life as the Neanderthal Thinking they really are. I think Shemp will not only hate it, he'll spew a number of hate mails on it, like he does to those who are pro-environment. Deep inside it will work on his cognitive dissonance with his latent Vedic programming. So much of what the N'Avi are into is Maharishi Vedic living. And he despises that too. FANTASTIC ! ... I can't wait until Shemp sees it then ! When are you going to see it Shemp? OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Avatar' arouses conservatives' ire
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , seekliberation seekliberat...@... wrote: I saw the movie. Awesome graphics, yet a very boring plot IMO. Regarding left wing/right wing oppositions to aspects of the movie, I do find it odd that liberals identify with cultures that possess many of the same qualities that 'most' of them completely lack, or greatly despise. The indegenous people in Avatar were very warlike, they were hunters, and lived a very harsh life in a very dangerous environment. Even the women were rather aggressive and able to hunt and fight. A lot of liberals think that Native Americans were saints too, just like right wing Christians think bombing children en-masse is somehow righteous. OffWorld The only reason it seemed possible to gain their respect is because a Marine joined their tribe and could actually hang with their toughest members and pass tests of fearlessness Otherwise they would've looked at anyone else as being too weak or feeble to be among their culture. Dances with Wolves followed a similar pattern. If there is anything I get from either of those movies, it is that you must have respect for both sides of life, basically a yin/yang concept. An absence of one or the other is incomplete. seekliberation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: 'Avatar' arouses conservatives' ire Conservatives are blind to the 3-D blockbuster's charms By Patrick Goldstein It's interesting that Mr. Goldstein doesn't seem to have picked up on the outrage of many *liberals* at what they perceive as the film's distinctly racist undertones. (Some have also suggested that it's sexist and has a bad attitude toward the disabled. One blogger insisted the film wasn't anti-military, it was anti-*mercenary*, pointing out that other films of Cameron's--Aliens and The Abyss-- have actually exalted the regular military.) I thought I remembered someone here mentioning the racist aspect--Shemp, perhaps--but I can't locate the post. Anyway, here's a few examples (among many) of criticism from the left: http://lefarkins.blogspot.com/2009/12/intentions-be-damned-avatar-is-rac\ ist.html http://lefarkins.blogspot.com/2009/12/intentions-be-damned-avatar-is-ra\ cist.html http://tinyurl.com/yer2mb5 http://tinyurl.com/yer2mb5 http://lefarkins.blogspot.com/2009/12/more-on-race-and-racialism-in-avat\ ar.html http://lefarkins.blogspot.com/2009/12/more-on-race-and-racialism-in-ava\ tar.html http://tinyurl.com/yhswhed http://tinyurl.com/yhswhed http://globalshift.org/2009/12/dances-with-discrimination-on-avatar-raci\ sm-misogyny-and-disabled-prejudice/#more-3534 http://globalshift.org/2009/12/dances-with-discrimination-on-avatar-rac\ ism-misogyny-and-disabled-prejudice/#more-3534 http://tinyurl.com/yf3mefk http://tinyurl.com/yf3mefk http://gawker.com/5422666/when-will-white-people-stop-making-movies-like\ -avatar http://gawker.com/5422666/when-will-white-people-stop-making-movies-lik\ e-avatar http://tinyurl.com/ybshwoy http://tinyurl.com/ybshwoy CAVEAT FOR THE FEEBLE-MINDED: Barry will, of course, rush to claim I'm reviewing a movie I haven't seen. Those with a few brain cells to rub together, however, will note that I have not expressed an opinion. I just find it curious that Mr. Goldstein seems to be aware only of criticism of the film from the right.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Avatar' arouses conservatives' ire
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of off_world_beings Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 5:55 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Avatar' arouses conservatives' ire FANTASTIC ! ... I can't wait until Shemp sees it then ! When are you going to see it Shemp? OffWorld Shemp was banished for a week for overposting.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Avatar' arouses conservatives' ire
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberation@ wrote: I saw the movie. Awesome graphics, yet a very boring plot IMO. Regarding left wing/right wing oppositions to aspects of the movie, I do find it odd that liberals identify with cultures that possess many of the same qualities that 'most' of them completely lack, or greatly despise. The indegenous people in Avatar were very warlike, they were hunters, and lived a very harsh life in a very dangerous environment. Even the women were rather aggressive and able to hunt and fight. The only reason it seemed possible to gain their respect is because a Marine joined their tribe and could actually hang with their toughest members and pass tests of fearlessness. Otherwise they would've looked at anyone else as being too weak or feeble to be among their culture. Dances with Wolves followed a similar pattern. If there is anything I get from either of those movies, it is that you must have respect for both sides of life, basically a yin/yang concept. An absence of one or the other is incomplete. Not sure where or if this fits in, but my sister pointed out to me that all the Indian women in Dances With Wolves were beautifully groomed, their hair in neat braids or pulled back, whereas the 'do of Stands with a Fist, the white woman who was supposedly completely assimilated into the Lakota culture and fiercely loyal to it, was loose, messy and unkempt, as if she never combed it. That had to have been a choice, but what was it supposed to mean? Big disconnect somehow. I dont think ceramic hair straighteners were available in the 1860's ( although she obviously had access to curling tongs )
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Avatar' arouses conservatives' ire
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jeff.evans60 jeff.evan...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip Not sure where or if this fits in, but my sister pointed out to me that all the Indian women in Dances With Wolves were beautifully groomed, their hair in neat braids or pulled back, whereas the 'do of Stands with a Fist, the white woman who was supposedly completely assimilated into the Lakota culture and fiercely loyal to it, was loose, messy and unkempt, as if she never combed it. That had to have been a choice, but what was it supposed to mean? Big disconnect somehow. I dont think ceramic hair straighteners were available in the 1860's ( although she obviously had access to curling tongs ) Yeah, but my point was that her hair was just slovenly looking. You'd think if she wanted so badly to belong to the Lakota culture, she'd have found a way to keep it neat. You can make perfectly good braids with curly hair, and hers wasn't all *that* curly, really just wavy. I don't know, maybe they thought the messy hair kept her from looking too glamorous. But she was by far the most prominent woman in the film, and it gave the impression that she had somehow become wild and savage when she was taken in by the tribe, as if Indian women were naturally unkempt--except that the others weren't! It seemed as though the filmmakers hadn't thought it through, as if they couldn't quite cope mentally with the idea of a white woman becoming one of *them* without lowering herself and becoming uncivilized. No doubt all subconscious on the part of the filmmakers, but it was just rather unpleasant.
[FairfieldLife] Re: For the gadget geeks on FFL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: This week is the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas. Though I've been before I didn't go this year. The show is too hard on the feet as it is in a huge convention center with concrete floors. Even a new pair of NB running shoes didn't help much the last time I went (2003). Forget NB. For *seriously* comfortable running shoes, get Asics Gel Kayanos or Asics Gel Kinetics. Worth every penny!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dishonesty - Etude No 1 in Peed Off Major (was Doom Gloom etc)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: azgrey wrote: Anybody taking bets on how many more posts will be exchanged before she calls him a liar? How much would you be willing to wager? I refuse to meet your strict currency requirements of Raams or prarie dog pelts o wise and toothless Willy. http://rwilliams.us/legaltender/ Republic of Texas shekels adorned with Kinky Friedman's smiling face would, however, be acceptable.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Avatar' arouses conservatives' ire
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jeff.evans60 jeff.evans60@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip Not sure where or if this fits in, but my sister pointed out to me that all the Indian women in Dances With Wolves were beautifully groomed, their hair in neat braids or pulled back, whereas the 'do of Stands with a Fist, the white woman who was supposedly completely assimilated into the Lakota culture and fiercely loyal to it, was loose, messy and unkempt, as if she never combed it. That had to have been a choice, but what was it supposed to mean? Big disconnect somehow. I dont think ceramic hair straighteners were available in the 1860's ( although she obviously had access to curling tongs ) Yeah, but my point was that her hair was just slovenly looking. You'd think if she wanted so badly to belong to the Lakota culture, she'd have found a way to keep it neat. You can make perfectly good braids with curly hair, and hers wasn't all *that* curly, really just wavy. I don't know, maybe they thought the messy hair kept her from looking too glamorous. But she was by far the most prominent woman in the film, and it gave the impression that she had somehow become wild and savage when she was taken in by the tribe, as if Indian women were naturally unkempt--except that the others weren't! It seemed as though the filmmakers hadn't thought it through, as if they couldn't quite cope mentally with the idea of a white woman becoming one of *them* without lowering herself and becoming uncivilized. No doubt all subconscious on the part of the filmmakers, but it was just rather unpleasant. Assuming it was a conscious decision how she was portrayed , I think the message the filmmaker was trying to give was that the Indians were happy to allow her to live with them without trying to force their cultural identity on her . Similar to the way the native culture adapts to its surroundings, unlike the white man who attempts to impose his will on his environment.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Avatar' arouses conservatives' ire
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jeff.evans60 jeff.evan...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jeff.evans60 jeff.evans60@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip Not sure where or if this fits in, but my sister pointed out to me that all the Indian women in Dances With Wolves were beautifully groomed, their hair in neat braids or pulled back, whereas the 'do of Stands with a Fist, the white woman who was supposedly completely assimilated into the Lakota culture and fiercely loyal to it, was loose, messy and unkempt, as if she never combed it. That had to have been a choice, but what was it supposed to mean? Big disconnect somehow. I dont think ceramic hair straighteners were available in the 1860's ( although she obviously had access to curling tongs ) Yeah, but my point was that her hair was just slovenly looking. You'd think if she wanted so badly to belong to the Lakota culture, she'd have found a way to keep it neat. You can make perfectly good braids with curly hair, and hers wasn't all *that* curly, really just wavy. I don't know, maybe they thought the messy hair kept her from looking too glamorous. But she was by far the most prominent woman in the film, and it gave the impression that she had somehow become wild and savage when she was taken in by the tribe, as if Indian women were naturally unkempt--except that the others weren't! It seemed as though the filmmakers hadn't thought it through, as if they couldn't quite cope mentally with the idea of a white woman becoming one of *them* without lowering herself and becoming uncivilized. No doubt all subconscious on the part of the filmmakers, but it was just rather unpleasant. Assuming it was a conscious decision how she was portrayed , I think the message the filmmaker was trying to give was that the Indians were happy to allow her to live with them without trying to force their cultural identity on her . Oh, I don't think so. She'd been taken in by the tribe when she was a little girl. I don't think at that point she would have had a cultural identity that would have made her grow up never combing her hair and looking like a slattern. Her real mother would never have let her look like that. And of course she had adopted all the other elements of the tribal identity, clothing, social customs, language (if you recall, she had to struggle to remember any English at all). They were her people as far as she was concerned. When Dunbar first encountered her, she was in deep, desperate mourning for her recently dead Indian husband, with whom she'd been very much in love. I think her hair reflected the filmmakers' notions of what a white woman would look like if she had been raised as an Indian, and it simply didn't occur to them that none of the *real* Indian women looked like that. They never compared their own image with the reality. Similar to the way the native culture adapts to its surroundings, unlike the white man who attempts to impose his will on his environment.
[FairfieldLife] Walking on Water as a Siddhi
To All: Siddhis are not restricted to the vedic literature. We find similar feats in the gospels and stories of Christian saints. These siddhis can be considered as samadhi which is a byproduct of meditation. The Christian gospels do not talk so much of meditation as the vedic literature does. But the gospels do talk much about faith in one's teacher or beliefs. This faith is equivalent to meditation, a practice that attempts to transcend thoughts and reason. What did it mean for someone to walk on water? At the very least, the gospel writers were saying that the person had control of the elements of water and the air. In other words, the person had control over his appetite and sexual urges. In can interpreted that water represents the sense of taste, and air represents the sense of touch or sexual urge. At best, the writers were saying that the person actually did the seemingly impossible by hovering over the water. Thus, we read that St. Peter was able to walk on water as he approached Jesus, but started to sink when he doubted his faith. JR
