[FairfieldLife] YFfers cool down the overheated atmosphere?

2010-07-14 Thread cardemaister

Lately, it's been way too hot here in Finland for most
Finns, I guess (over 30 Celsius).

I'm so glad the summer rounding course begins next Friday
at Voionmaan opisto, some 20 miles from where I live!

http://www.voionmaanopisto.com/international/

I'm almost 100 percent sure that the YFfers there shall
remarkably cool down the atmosphere here and there and everywhere,
 although meteorologists seem to expect the heat wave to continue for quite a 
while.



[FairfieldLife] Re: Mel Gibson phones Colin Farrell

2010-07-14 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
 
  All this focus on the feet of clay stuff is causing 
  the Mel Gibson meltdown to get shorter shrift on FFL
  than it's getting in the media. I figured I'd correct 
  this by posting this *very* clever mini-movie found on 
  Funny Or Die:
  
  http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/6dd44f4768/mel-gibson-calls-colin-farrell
  
  Interestingly, all of the voices you hear in this clip
  are really spoken by either Mel Gibson or Colin Farrell,
  the latter from the film Phone Booth. All that the
  clever editor had to do was edit out Kiefer Sutherland's
  voice from the real soundtrack and replace it with Mel's
  voice from an embarrassingly-made-public recording of a 
  phone message left for his ex Oksana.
  
  That said, and because...uh...someone on this forum call-
  ing Mel Gibson a Christian bigot over a film of his she
  had never seen is NEVER gonna get old :-), I've enjoyed
  some of his movies, *as movies*, including Apocalypto.
  Similarly, I have enjoyed and will continue to enjoy some
  of Roman Polanski's movies, *as movies*. 
  
  Theoretically, those TM fans who are now saying that MMY
  being sort of an asshole for lying about his sexual pro-
  clivities should not have any impact on whether or not 
  they continue to appreciate his spiritual teachings should 
  be able to understand that I can easily recognize Mel 
  Gibson's and Roman Polanski's assholiness and still 
  like their work. 
  
  Theoretically. Will Edg come roaring in to say that anyone
  who likes a Polanski movie is as evil as he is, or will
  the Judester come roaring in to say that anyone who likes
  a Mel Gibson movie is as much of an asshole as he is? Only
  time will tell...
 
 Barry is drunk again. 

Ah, that typical Raunchydog intelligent dialog
again; we've been missing it. When you can't
think of anything else to say, call the person 
you don't like a drunk.  :-)

 He imagines (theoretically hedging his bets) that the people 
 he dislikes, namely Edg, Judy and and probably me...

The thought of you never crossed my mind, a fact
I am most grateful for. :-) And I don't actually
dislike Edg or Judy, I just have fun playing with
their obvious obsession with me by offering them 
occasional piles of poop to step in. As it turns 
out, you stepped in this one instead. :-)

 ...will call him an asshole for liking the accomplishments 
 of assholes. Wrong, Barry is an asshole because that's his 
 thang. He avoids making a distinction between the behavior 
 of a pedophile, a misogynistic/racist and a guy who has 
 illicit affairs. He lumps them all together to imply there 
 is a moral equivalency...

There is no moral equivalency here. The guy you 
describe as having illicit affairs is IMO *much*
worse than either Polanski or Mel Gibson. They,
after all, are just filmmakers with no pretensions
to being anything else; being an asshole is pretty
much the standard for such people. Whereas MMY
presented himself as an enlightened holy man, a
saint, and created an environment in which it was 
considered almost a sin to *not* treat his every 
word as if it were a direct command from God. And 
then took advantage of this environment he had
created to get his naive female students to suck 
his cock and have sex with him. 

I'd agree with you that there is no moral equiva-
lence between Mel Gibson and Polanski and Maharishi,
because the first two were just sleazebags, but
Maharishi was a sleazebag who abused his position
of almost absolute power and abused the trust of 
his students. 

 ...then dares you to call him an asshole for saying it's 
 possible to like their accomplishments. 
 Saying Mel Gibson got short shrift on FFL is bait, of course. 

Of course. And look who the person who bit is. :-)

 It's obvious that the media has emphasized far more the 
 racist elements of Gibson's rant than his outright 
 misogyny. No surprise there.

No, but you seem to be ducking the issue. Does the
fact that Mel Gibson is a misogynist asshole mean
that you would never see one of his movies? Do you
write him off completely as a human being for being
a misogynist asshole? You don't seem to have stated
where you stand with regard to Mel Gibson. Or 
Polanski.

Whereas you *have* made it pretty clear where you
stand with Maharishi. In your view he was just a
guy who had illicit affairs, and you seem to be
saying that that's not as bad as what Polanski did 
or as what Mel Gibson did. For you there are no 
abuse of power issues in Maharishi's actions, no 
abuse of trust issues in his actions, and you 
haven't even mentioned the decades of lying about 
those actions to the world and to his own students. 

I'm confused at your priorities, Raunchy. You call
yourself a feminist, but seem to be cutting Maharishi
a break as nothing more than a guy who had illicit
affairs, when in fact he was much more than that.
He seems to 

[FairfieldLife] Re: YFfers cool down the overheated atmosphere?

2010-07-14 Thread cardemaister


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_re...@... wrote:

 
 Lately, it's been way too hot here in Finland for most
 Finns, I guess (over 30 Celsius).
 
 I'm so glad the summer rounding course begins next Friday
 at Voionmaan opisto, some 20 miles from where I live!
 
 http://www.voionmaanopisto.com/international/
 
 I'm almost 100 percent sure that the YFfers there shall
 remarkably cool down the atmosphere here and there and everywhere,
  although meteorologists seem to expect the heat wave to continue for quite a 
 while.


Here's a forecast closest to the YFfers at Voion-maa:

http://www.fmi.fi/weather/local.html?place=Tampere

I'm practically absolutely sure, that for instance
 next Saturday and Sunday temperatures shall be
below 27... ;D



[FairfieldLife] Re: YFfers cool down the overheated atmosphere?

2010-07-14 Thread cardemaister


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_re...@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote:
 
  
  Lately, it's been way too hot here in Finland for most
  Finns, I guess (over 30 Celsius).
  
  I'm so glad the summer rounding course begins next Friday
  at Voionmaan opisto, some 20 miles from where I live!
  
  http://www.voionmaanopisto.com/international/
  
  I'm almost 100 percent sure that the YFfers there shall
  remarkably cool down the atmosphere here and there and everywhere,
   although meteorologists seem to expect the heat wave to continue for quite 
  a while.
 
 
 Here's a forecast closest to the YFfers at Voion-maa:
 
 http://www.fmi.fi/weather/local.html?place=Tampere
 
 I'm practically absolutely sure, that for instance
  next Saturday and Sunday temperatures shall be
 below 27... ;D


I mean, the *highest* temperatures! :0



[FairfieldLife] Re: US Federal Deficit Tops One Trillion Dollars

2010-07-14 Thread seekliberation
Just like Maharishi said, 'government is an innocent reflection of the 
collective consciousness of a nation'. 

I interpret that in terms of our federal deficit to mean that 'if we are a 
nation of people who spend more than we earn, we will have a government that 
spends more than it earns'.  

We are all to blame for the defecit, IMHO.  Of course there are some honest 
workers on this forum who don't expect benefits they haven't earned, but across 
the board Americans are in a fantasy world regarding how much effort they need 
to put forth in relation to the benefits they recieve.  That's why credit cards 
are maxed out, people buy homes they can't really afford, and loans are taken 
out for things people don't really need.  Most Americans are no different than 
the politicians they blame for everything.  The only difference is that the 
politicians are in a position where their ignorance has a more catastrophic 
effect.  

seekliberation

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_...@... wrote:

 I just want to repeat this over and over again.  Nobody seems to be 
 listening.  Maybe the repetition will create a vibration of warning for the 
 entire forum and the country as a whole.
 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote:
 
  Ummm John... just now figurin' this out?
  
  
  
  
  
  From: John jr_esq@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Tue, July 13, 2010 3:00:17 PM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] US Federal Deficit Tops One Trillion Dollars
  
    
  Both major parties are to blame for this financial fiasco. In the end, we 
  as 
  taxpayers will pay for this huge bill. If not, future generations of 
  Americans 
  will pay for it if the country is still existing by then.
  
  http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100713/ap_on_bi_ge/us_budget_deficit
 





[FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk Feet of Clay Hmmmm

2010-07-14 Thread nablusoss1008


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote:

 From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
 On Behalf Of nablusoss1008
 Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 6:46 PM
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk Feet of Clay H
 
  
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
 
  
  On Jul 13, 2010, at 4:49 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote:
  
   I still consider it a rumor. This book proves nothing whatsoever. My
 point is; I don't believe a word of it, but if it happened that would be OK
 in my book.
   Got it now ?
  
  
  Yeah, you're a great rationalizer in deep need of some form of objective
 therapy. 
 
 HaHa: Objective as in Buddhist I presume.
 
  
 
 What have you got against Buddhists Nabby. You're critical of them because
 MMY made some disparaging comments?


He did'nt as far as I know, His comments about the Buddha were utterly positive.

My attitude towards them is only based on the wild behavior we see of them (The 
Turq and even more so the so-called Vaj) here on FFL. Also note that when 
referring to these two characters I use quotationmarks for Buddhist.



[FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk Feet of Clay Hmmmm

2010-07-14 Thread nablusoss1008


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote:
  
   What have you got against Buddhists Nabby. You're critical 
   of them because MMY made some disparaging comments?
  
  He did'nt as far as I know, His comments about the Buddha were 
  utterly positive.
  
  My attitude towards them is only based on the wild behavior we 
  see of them (The Turq and even more so the so-called Vaj) here 
  on FFL. 
 
 Both of whom have explained many times that they 
 aren't Buddhists. :-)

Noone believes a word of what you write anyway, much less that of Vaj who 
professed to go to Buddhist retreats and even claiming to lead at least one.



[FairfieldLife] Re: YFfers cool down the overheated atmosphere?

2010-07-14 Thread cardemaister


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_re...@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote:
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote:
  
   
   Lately, it's been way too hot here in Finland for most
   Finns, I guess (over 30 Celsius).
   
   I'm so glad the summer rounding course begins next Friday
   at Voionmaan opisto, some 20 miles from where I live!
   
   http://www.voionmaanopisto.com/international/
   
   I'm almost 100 percent sure that the YFfers there shall
   remarkably cool down the atmosphere here and there and everywhere,
although meteorologists seem to expect the heat wave to continue for 
   quite a while.
  
  
  Here's a forecast closest to the YFfers at Voion-maa:
  
  http://www.fmi.fi/weather/local.html?place=Tampere

Yikes! At the time I wrote the above, the forecast for Sunday
was, I think, 28 or 29! 

So, Nature seems to anticipate da Flying??

Go figure!

  
  I'm practically absolutely sure, that for instance
   next Saturday and Sunday temperatures shall be
  below 27... ;D
 
 
 I mean, the *highest* temperatures! :0





[FairfieldLife] Re: Mel Gibson phones Colin Farrell

2010-07-14 Thread TurquoiseB
That's what I figured you'd do, Raunchy.

You're a faux feminist, all against the abuse of women 
in situations in which a man has more power in the organ-
ization than they do, *until it's Maharishi doing the
abusing*. Then, in your opinion, it's just fine.

What a spectacle -- a woman posing as a feminist, but too
pussy-whipped by her male teacher to hold him to the same
standards she'd hold any other man to.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote:
   
   Barry is drunk again. 
  
  Ah, that typical Raunchydog intelligent dialog
  again; we've been missing it. When you can't
  think of anything else to say, call the person 
  you don't like a drunk.  :-)
  
 
 Metaphorically speaking, Barry is blind drunk. 
 
 Scene: An Expat Café in Spain. Barry is obsessing about Maharishi and getting 
 wasted on Spanish margaritas with his alcoholic buddy, Mel Gibson.
 
 Mel: Shut the fuck up about your guru, dude. You're getting on my nerves.
 
 Barry: But, I put up all those posters for him.
 
 Mel: Get over it.
 
 Barry: But, I loved him.
 
 Mel: You're starting to sound like my Russian bitch. 
 
 Barry: He kicked me out of the TMO and now I hate him. (Stamps his foot for 
 emphasis.)
 
 Mel: Shut up you sniveling piece of shit or I'll kick your ass.
 
 Barry: Oh, please do.
 
 Mel: I'll put you in a fucking rose garden, you cocksucker. You understand 
 that? Because I'm capable of it. You understand that? 
 
 Barry: (Gushing, oblivious to impending danger) Love your movies, man.
 
 Mel: Look stupid. See if I give a fuck you're a movie whore. You can go 
 around sashaying your Maharishi obsession, but I won't stand for it anymore. 
 Your rants are a fucking embarrassment to me. You sound like a fucking bitch 
 in heat. And if you get raped by a pack of TM'ers it will be your fault. 
 Alright? Because you provoked it. You are provocatively frothing at the mouth 
 all the time with your fake rants that you feel you have to show off. I don't 
 like it.
 
 Barry: Love your movies, man. (Fade to black)
 
 Scene: Next morning in a rose garden by the sea. 
 
 Gravedigger 1: Who was he?
 
 Gravedigger 2: Don't know. We got paid plenty to not ask questions, so I 
 don't want to know. But I hear he was incessantly shooting off him mouth 
 about some dead guru and a rich guy clocked him.
 
 Gravedigger 1: Will anyone miss him?
 
 Gravedigger 2: Nah.
  
  There is no moral equivalency here. The guy you 
  describe as having illicit affairs is IMO *much*
  worse than either Polanski or Mel Gibson. They,
  after all, are just filmmakers with no pretensions
  to being anything else; being an asshole is pretty
  much the standard for such people. 
 
 Translation: It's acceptable to be an asshole if it's expected of you, but 
 not acceptable if it isn't expected. Ya gotta be kidding. Is this Barry's 
 rational for giving a pedophile and a misogynistic racist a pass so that he 
 can rant how much worse Maharishi is by comparison? Go figure.





[FairfieldLife] Re: Most important marriage criterion for Indians: skin color

2010-07-14 Thread cardemaister


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_re...@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, parsleysage meowthirteen@ wrote:
 
  wow...
  *pt*
  how unenlightened(no pun intended)
  
  
  skin color...oh brother
 
 It seems to me the oldest Vedic RSis (Kanva-s[sp?] and stuff??)
 were actually Siberian/North-Pole shamans. Sat sapienti?
 

I mean, of course, Angirasas (sp?)!

 



[FairfieldLife] Re: An opportunity for feminist Raunchydog to on the record

2010-07-14 Thread WillyTex


TurquoiseB:
 ...don't just make up fantasy dialog...step up 
 to the plate and show some balls.

So, you've changed your mind. The Maharishi was 
MORE than just another talking head - he was 
'special' to you. 

Now you want to make a judgement about your guru 
- while you were in your room beating off all by
yourself, the Maharishi was getting a full body 
massage from Judith. You sound really jealous, 
Uncle Tantra. LOL!

So, why would you want to challenge Raunchy to
prove anything? Step up to the plate yourself.

Have you ever *been* to Tassajara.  One
*always* leaves one's shoes outside the
door.  She was no different from anyone
else... - Uncle Tantra 

Read more:

Subject: Re: Leave your shoes outside the door!
Author: Uncle Tantra
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
Date: December 28, 2004
http://tinyurl.com/y9rhoyv



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand

2010-07-14 Thread Mike Dixon
Randy, you're probably right. I doubt there is any relationship as well, but 
thought in light of the new book out, the rumors and what I heard while 
traveling in India, it was a slightly intriguing idea.





From: randyanand ra...@rocketmail.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, July 13, 2010 9:15:26 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand

  
Mike,
I can't say 100% certanty that there is no relation. However, I probably would 
have heard about it as I am very close friends with a number of his direct 
disciples.
Up until the very end of Maharishi's life, my understanding is that 
Vasudevanand 
had very little to do with Maharishi. That did change in the last few years 
when 
Maharishi asked him to be involved with the Brahmananda trust. But up until 
then, there was not a lot of connections except maybe some ceremonial ones here 
and there.

Vaj always likes to say that Vasudevanand was a bought Shankararcharya. But 
there is little eveidence of that either.
My sources tell me that, yes, Maharishi gave Vasudevanand some money, but it 
was 
very little. And I do know for a fact that one time after Deepak left the 
movement, the Shankaracharya came to bless one of Deepak's big courses in 
India. 
Maharishi asked Vasudevanand not to go, but Vasudevanand went anyway. If he was 
truly bought, he never would have gone fearing Maharishi's donations would 
stop

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@... wrote:

 Randy, and you know this how? I can't say they are related either, however, I 
 did hear this from the person that claims to have gotten directly from 
 Vasudeva's shishya. As I said earlier, I thought there might be a 
 mis-communication, but this friend swore by it and said in no way was it a 
 misunderstanding. I chose not to believe it, but in the light of what is said 
 here on FFL, I have to realize maybe my friend was right and I have been in 
 denial about it all along. Who knows? I have to take the Beatle's attitude, M 
 wasn't the God I thought he was, he's just a man, maybe a very special man, 
 but 

 a man very good at putting on a show. Still love him though!
 
 
 
 
 From: randyanand ra...@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Tue, July 13, 2010 1:44:13 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand
 
   
 The current shankaracharya of Jyotir Math is Swami Vasudevanand.
 He is in no way related to Maharishi.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote:
 
  From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
  On Behalf Of Joe
  Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 1:07 PM
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand
  
  
  
  
  
  Wowthat would explain plenty. But who knows.
  
  I wonder if he looks lighter than most Indians. There should be a photo of
  him online. 
  
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@
  wrote:
  
    I hate to say this, but when I was in India, at Jyotir Math, the 
friend
  I was 
   with, swore to me the monk baby sitting the place, told him that the
  current 
   Shankaracharya, forget his name, was M's son! At the time, I laughed it
  off as a 
   missunderstanding, but in light of what I've read on FFL, I have to wonder
  if 
   it's not true. He, the current Shank, does resemble a younger M. What a
  Soap 
   Opera that would make!
 






  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US Federal Deficit Tops One Trillion Dollars

2010-07-14 Thread Mike Dixon
The Tea Party is listening, that is their message! In 2006 conservatives 
abandoned the Republicans at the polls because of too much spending, not 
because 
the war in Iraq was going badly or Osama Bin Laden had not been captured. 
Recent 
polls suggest the country wants divided government again to keep taxing 
and spending in check. Hell, Pelosi won't even submit a budget, much less 
commit 
to one. I'm sure the idea is  to run up the debt and let the Republicans deal 
with it and take the blame.




From: John jr_...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, July 13, 2010 9:42:29 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: US Federal Deficit Tops One Trillion Dollars

  
I just want to repeat this over and over again. Nobody seems to be listening. 
Maybe the repetition will create a vibration of warning for the entire forum 
and 
the country as a whole.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@... wrote:

 Ummm John... just now figurin' this out?
 
 
 
 
 
 From: John jr_...@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Tue, July 13, 2010 3:00:17 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] US Federal Deficit Tops One Trillion Dollars
 
   
 Both major parties are to blame for this financial fiasco. In the end, we as 
 taxpayers will pay for this huge bill. If not, future generations of 
 Americans 

 will pay for it if the country is still existing by then.
 
 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100713/ap_on_bi_ge/us_budget_deficit






  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk Feet of Clay Hmmmm

2010-07-14 Thread WillyTex


  Both of whom have explained many times 
  that they aren't Buddhists...
 
TurquoiseB: 
 Since I'm not a Buddhist...

So, you changed your mind again! You were 
a Buddhist BEFORE you said you were NOT a 
Buddhist. You're not a Buddhist, but, you 
spent ten years inside a Buddhist cult.

Because you don't know where I'm coming
from in these discussions, I should back-
track a little and fill you in, Ok?  I am
essentially of the buddhist persuasion...

Read more:

Subject: Re: Gnosis + Knowledge
Author: Uncle Tantra
Newsgroups: alt.religion.gnostic
Date: October 12, 2003
http://tinyurl.com/34zq4xb

My curiosity stems from having spent most
of a lifetime as a hands on practitioner
of various spiritual paths...

Read more:

Subject: Re: Gnosticism
Author: Uncle Tantra
Newsgroups: alt.religion.gnostic
Date: October 17, 2003
http://tinyurl.com/3xrjppv



[FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand

2010-07-14 Thread WillyTex


  Among the dashanami the giri line 
  accepts non-brahmana.
 
Vaj:
 Who's a good example of a Shankaracharya 
 who was non-Brahmin E.? Anyone recent or 
 historical that you could share?

Your guru, Swami Rama of the Himalayas, who 
is survived by one daughter and two sons?

Swami Rama's claims to this spiritual 
background have been questioned by some of 
his former students...

Read more:

Subject: The Case against Swami Rama of the Himalayas
Author: Vaj
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
Date: September 20, 2005
http://tinyurl.com/2bq5mt3



[FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand

2010-07-14 Thread Joe

I see. It's my guru's better than your guru time for Wee Willy.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote:

 
 
   Among the dashanami the giri line 
   accepts non-brahmana.
  
 Vaj:
  Who's a good example of a Shankaracharya 
  who was non-Brahmin E.? Anyone recent or 
  historical that you could share?
 
 Your guru, Swami Rama of the Himalayas, who 
 is survived by one daughter and two sons?
 
 Swami Rama's claims to this spiritual 
 background have been questioned by some of 
 his former students...
 
 Read more:
 
 Subject: The Case against Swami Rama of the Himalayas
 Author: Vaj
 Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
 Date: September 20, 2005
 http://tinyurl.com/2bq5mt3





[FairfieldLife] Gravity is just reality having a bad hair day

2010-07-14 Thread TurquoiseB
Fascinating article from the NY Times. T'would seem that
the latest in string theory is that gravity doesn't exist.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/13/science/13gravity.html?pagewanted=1_r=1no_interstitial





Re: [FairfieldLife] Most important marriage criterion for Indians: skin color

2010-07-14 Thread Bhairitu
Like I said the other day:
India = carnival midway.

TurquoiseB wrote:
 Go figure. Not caste, not wealth, not a compatible Jyotish chart.
 Lightness of skin color. So much so that there is now an app for
 Facebook India that will make users' skin in profile photos look
 lighter. This is Sat Yuga?

   



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US Federal Deficit Tops One Trillion Dollars

2010-07-14 Thread Bhairitu
Don't forget people were marketed loans and spending.  Remember the 
George Dumbfuck Bush  told people to go shopping after 9-11.  The 
banksters were lending out 33 dollars for every one they actually had in 
the bank.  They should have told people wanting mortgages that the house 
they wanted to buy was overpriced and denied them the loan that way.  
Greed is the monster.

The whole thing is just the divine comedy.

seekliberation wrote:
 Just like Maharishi said, 'government is an innocent reflection of the 
 collective consciousness of a nation'. 

 I interpret that in terms of our federal deficit to mean that 'if we are a 
 nation of people who spend more than we earn, we will have a government that 
 spends more than it earns'.  

 We are all to blame for the defecit, IMHO.  Of course there are some honest 
 workers on this forum who don't expect benefits they haven't earned, but 
 across the board Americans are in a fantasy world regarding how much effort 
 they need to put forth in relation to the benefits they recieve.  That's why 
 credit cards are maxed out, people buy homes they can't really afford, and 
 loans are taken out for things people don't really need.  Most Americans are 
 no different than the politicians they blame for everything.  The only 
 difference is that the politicians are in a position where their ignorance 
 has a more catastrophic effect.  

 seekliberation

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_...@... wrote:
   
 I just want to repeat this over and over again.  Nobody seems to be 
 listening.  Maybe the repetition will create a vibration of warning for the 
 entire forum and the country as a whole.



 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote:
 
 Ummm John... just now figurin' this out?




 
 From: John jr_esq@
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Tue, July 13, 2010 3:00:17 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] US Federal Deficit Tops One Trillion Dollars

 Â  
 Both major parties are to blame for this financial fiasco. In the end, we 
 as 
 taxpayers will pay for this huge bill. If not, future generations of 
 Americans 
 will pay for it if the country is still existing by then.

 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100713/ap_on_bi_ge/us_budget_deficit

   



   



[FairfieldLife] Scientologists lash out at Anderson Cooper

2010-07-14 Thread TurquoiseB
Because I don't watch American TV news, I'm not exactly sure who
Anderson Cooper is. But t'would seem that he ran a week of exposes on
physical abuse within the Church Of Scientology. As Ahnold said so
memorably in the first Predator movie, after punching the Predator guy
in the face, Bahd idea.  Scientologists don't take kindly to being
exposed. They actually have a term for what they believe critics of
Scientology make themselves: Fair Game.

Since it's been exposed in the press, the Fair Game policy, which used
to state in writing that it was permissible to do *anything* to an enemy
of Scientology, and which led to such incidents as putting rattlesnakes
in critics' mailboxes, no longer is in writing. The Church claims to no
longer be pursuing the Fair Game policy against critics.

H. This article looks to me as if nothing has changed. I just love
that they call their magazine Freedom. That's the best Orwellian
Newspeak I've heard in ages.


Scientologists vs. Anderson Cooper: Church Attacks CNN Host

Anderson Cooper has made himself a powerful enemy: the Church of 
Scientology.

Back in March, Anderson Cooper devoted a week of his show, Anderson 
Cooper 360, to a special investigation into allegations of violence 
and physical abuse
http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2010/03/25/scientology-a-history-of-violence\
/  within the Church of Scientology. Now, the church  has struck back,
devoting an entire issue of one of its magazines,  Freedom, to an
attack on Cooper and CNN:
...Cooper thinks he can get away with this hogwash and pull  off what
even the greatest hucksters in history failed to accomplish,  i.e., fool
all the people all the time.
So in the immortal words of Cooper himself, let's start keeping 'em 
honest by presenting his Posse of Apostates as they truly are...

Under the heading Anderson Cooper: A History Of Lies,
http://www.freedommag.org/special-reports/cnn/anderson-furrows-his-brow\
.html?link=coverimage  the church accuses Cooper of ignoring the
information it provided  him
http://www.freedommag.org/special-reports/cnn/timeline-cnn-running-away\
.html  and of refusing to speak with top church officials. It also 
proclaims Larry King to be the only CNN host qualified to interview 
Scientology leader David Miscavige, and Cooper of supporting an
anti-Scientology group
http://www.freedommag.org/special-reports/cnn/cooper-speak-how-terroris\
ts-become-protesters.html  that the  church calls a terrorist
organization.

Beyond the eighteen separate articles attacking Cooper, his ratings  and
those of CNN, and the guests he brought on during the week-long  series,
the church also compiled videos. In one of them, it slams Cooper for
what it calls his fantasies of  intrepid reporting
http://www.freedommag.org/special-reports/cnn/video-anderson-coopers-de\
finition-of-investigation.html :
...when an earthquake reduces Haiti to rubble, there he is,  on site in
designer jeans or cargo pants, to verify for himself that  the villages
were indeed reduced to rubble...Anderson Cooper has got to  see it with
his own two eyes while furrowing his brow to show how much  he cares.
But this time, Cooper refused to look. 
Later in the same video -- most of which is actually devoted to a 
rundown of the church's activity during 2009, and not to attacking 
Cooper -- the church writes what it says is the statement Cooper should 
have given to viewers, while repeating the same frozen second of footage
of Cooper over and over again to make it look as though he is speaking.

Beyond releasing the magazine, TVNewser reports that Scientology members
also handed out copies of  Freedom in front of CNN's Manhattan offices
on Monday
http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/cnn/scientologists_distribute_antic\
ooper_magazine_outside_cnn_167374.asp .
This is not the first time that the Church of Scientology has  responded
aggressively to investigative journalism. The BBC
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6650545.stm   and the St. Petersburg Times
http://www.wusf.usf.edu/news/2010/02/25/scientology_hires_reporters_to_\
investigate_st._petersburg_times  have also come under fire for  their
reporting in recent years.




[FairfieldLife] Re: US Federal Deficit Tops One Trillion Dollars

2010-07-14 Thread wgm4u
Unfortunately GWya kind of through us conservatives under the bus with 
his/their lavish spending (at least the economy was good at the time), most 
EVERY Democrat went along with it too...at least the Republicans have some 
modicum of fiscal accountability left. The Democrats are truly sociopathic when 
it comes to spending

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@... wrote:

 The Tea Party is listening, that is their message! In 2006 conservatives 
 abandoned the Republicans at the polls because of too much spending, not 
 because 
 the war in Iraq was going badly or Osama Bin Laden had not been captured. 
 Recent 
 polls suggest the country wants divided government again to keep taxing 
 and spending in check. Hell, Pelosi won't even submit a budget, much less 
 commit 
 to one. I'm sure the idea is  to run up the debt and let the Republicans 
 deal 
 with it and take the blame.
 
 
 
 
 From: John jr_...@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Tue, July 13, 2010 9:42:29 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: US Federal Deficit Tops One Trillion Dollars
 
   
 I just want to repeat this over and over again. Nobody seems to be listening. 
 Maybe the repetition will create a vibration of warning for the entire forum 
 and 
 the country as a whole.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote:
 
  Ummm John... just now figurin' this out?
  
  
  
  
  
  From: John jr_esq@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Tue, July 13, 2010 3:00:17 PM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] US Federal Deficit Tops One Trillion Dollars
  
    
  Both major parties are to blame for this financial fiasco. In the end, we 
  as 
  taxpayers will pay for this huge bill. If not, future generations of 
  Americans 
 
  will pay for it if the country is still existing by then.
  
  http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100713/ap_on_bi_ge/us_budget_deficit
 





[FairfieldLife] Galbraith: The danger posed by the deficit 'is zero' (was: US Federal Deficit

2010-07-14 Thread do.rflex
Galbraith: The danger posed by the deficit `is zero'
James Galbraith is an economist and the Lloyd M. Bentsen Jr.  chair in
government and business relations at the University of Texas at  Austin.
He's also a skeptic of the prevailing concern over America's  long-term
deficit. With many people now comparing America's fiscal  condition to
Greece, I spoke with Galbraith to get the other side of the  argument.
An edited transcript of our conversation follows.




EK: You think the danger posed by the long-term deficit is  overstated
by most economists and economic commentators.

JG:  No, I think the danger is zero. It's not  overstated. It's
completely misstated.

EK: Why?

JG:  What is the nature of the danger? The only  possible answer is that
this larger deficit would cause a rise in the  interest rate. Well, if
the markets thought that was a serious risk, the  rate on 20-year
treasury bonds wouldn't be 4 percent and change now. If  the markets
thought that the interest rate would be forced up by  funding
difficulties 10 year from now, it would show up in the 20-year  rate.
That rate has actually been coming down in the wake of the  European
crisis.

So there are two possibilities here. One is the theory is wrong. The 
other is that the market isn't rational. And if the market isn't 
rational, there's no point in designing policy to accommodate the 
markets because you can't accommodate an irrational entity.

EK: Then why are the bulk of your colleagues so worried about  this?

JG:  Let's push a bit deeper on the CBO forecasts.  They publish a
baseline set of projections. One of those projections  holds the economy
will return to a normal high-employment level with low  inflation over
the next 10 years. If true, that would be wonderful  news. Go down a few
lines and they also have the short-term interest  rate going up to 5
percent. It's that short-term interest rate combined  with that low
inflation rate that allows them to generate, quite  mechanically, these
enormous future deficit forecasts. And those  forecasts are driven
partially by the assumption that health-care costs  will rise forever at
a faster rate than everything else and by interest  payments on the debt
will hit 20 or 25 percent of GDP.

At this point, the whole thing is completely incoherent. You cannot 
write checks to 20 percent to anybody without that money entering the 
economy and increasing employment and inflation. And if it does that, 
then debt-to-GDP has to be lower, because inflation figures into how 
much debt we have. These numbers need to come together in a coherent 
story, and the CBO's forecast does not give us a coherent story. So 
everything that is said that is based on the CBO's baseline is, strictly
speaking, nonsense.

EK: But couldn't there be a space between the CBO being  totally correct
and the debt not being a problem? It seems certain, for  instance, that
health-care costs will continue to rise faster than other  sectors of
the economy.

JG:  No, it's not reasonable. Share of health-care  cost would rise as
part of total GDP and the inflation would rise to be  nearer to what the
rate of health-care inflation is. And if health care  does get that
expensive, and we're paying 30 percent of GDP while  everyone else is
paying 12 percent, we could buy Paris and all the  doctors and just move
our elderly there.

EK: But putting inflation aside, the gap between spending and  revenues
won't have other ill effects?

JG:  Is there any terrible consequence because we  haven't prefunded the
defense budget? No. There's only one budget and  one borrowing authority
and all that matters is what that authority  pays. Say I'm the federal
government and I wish to pay you, Ezra Klein, a  billion dollars to
build an aircraft carrier. I put money in your bank  account for that.
Did the Federal Reserve look into that? Did the IRS  sign off on it?
Government does not need money to spend just as a  bowling alley does
not run out of points.

What people worry about is that the federal government won't be able  to
sell bonds. But there can never be a problem for the federal  government
selling bonds. It goes the other way. The government's  spending creates
the bank's demand for bonds, because they want a higher  return on the
money that the government is putting into the economy. My  father said
this process is so simple that the mind recoils from it.

EK: What are the policy implications of this view?

JG:  It says that we should be focusing on real  problems and not fake
ones. We have serious problems. Unemployment is at  10 percent. if we
got busy and worked out things for the unemployed to  do, we'd be much
better off. And we can certainly afford it. We have an  impending energy
crisis and a climate crisis. We could spend a  generation fixing those
problems in a way that would rebuild our  country, too. On the tax side,
what you want to do is reverse the burden  on working people. Since the
beginning of the crisis, I've supported a  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US Federal Deficit Tops One Trillion Dollars

2010-07-14 Thread Mike Dixon
Bush tried to warn the congress that Fanny- Mac had major problems in 2001. So 
did McCain, later on. As I recall, Barney Frank and maybe Chris Dodd refused 
any 
reform of those institutions from committees they served on. The rest is 
history.




From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, July 14, 2010 9:05:15 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US Federal Deficit Tops One Trillion Dollars

  
Don't forget people were marketed loans and spending. Remember the 
George Dumbfuck Bush told people to go shopping after 9-11. The 
banksters were lending out 33 dollars for every one they actually had in 
the bank. They should have told people wanting mortgages that the house 
they wanted to buy was overpriced and denied them the loan that way. 
Greed is the monster.

The whole thing is just the divine comedy.

seekliberation wrote:
 Just like Maharishi said, 'government is an innocent reflection of the 
collective consciousness of a nation'. 


 I interpret that in terms of our federal deficit to mean that 'if we are a 
nation of people who spend more than we earn, we will have a government that 
spends more than it earns'. 


 We are all to blame for the defecit, IMHO. Of course there are some honest 
workers on this forum who don't expect benefits they haven't earned, but 
across 
the board Americans are in a fantasy world regarding how much effort they need 
to put forth in relation to the benefits they recieve. That's why credit cards 
are maxed out, people buy homes they can't really afford, and loans are taken 
out for things people don't really need. Most Americans are no different than 
the politicians they blame for everything. The only difference is that the 
politicians are in a position where their ignorance has a more catastrophic 
effect. 


 seekliberation

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_...@... wrote:
 
 I just want to repeat this over and over again. Nobody seems to be 
 listening. 
Maybe the repetition will create a vibration of warning for the entire forum 
and 
the country as a whole.



 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote:
 
 Ummm John... just now figurin' this out?




 
 From: John jr_esq@
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Tue, July 13, 2010 3:00:17 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] US Federal Deficit Tops One Trillion Dollars

 Â 
 Both major parties are to blame for this financial fiasco. In the end, we 
 as 

 taxpayers will pay for this huge bill. If not, future generations of 
 Americans 

 will pay for it if the country is still existing by then.

 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100713/ap_on_bi_ge/us_budget_deficit

 



 





  

[FairfieldLife] DOME ANNOUNCEMENTS--Meeting for Sidhas with Drs. Doug and Linda Birx

2010-07-14 Thread Dick Mays
Drs. Doug and Linda Birx will hold a special Advanced Lecture on the
TM-Sidhi® program on Wednesday evening, July 21st, at 8:15 pm.

This will be a wonderful opportunity for going more deeply into the
knowledge and experience of the practice.

Men will meet in the Men's Dome and Ladies in the Ladies' Dome on the
Maharishi University of Management campus.

The meetings are open to all Sidhas with a current dome badge in the
Fairfield community and those who are visiting from out of town to
participate in current courses.

Please note: This is the same meeting listed in the Calendar of Events as
TM-Sidhi Checking and will be held in both domes.

*Please bring your current Dome badge with you.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand

2010-07-14 Thread WillyTex


  Your guru, Swami Rama of the Himalayas, who 
  is survived by one daughter and two sons?
 
Joe:
 I see. It's my guru's better than your guru 
 time for Wee Willy.
 
You don't have to get so upset. So, you wanted to 
be a spiritual teacher, but things just didn't 
work out for you. The least you could do is say 
you're sorry for misleading all those poor students 
you initiated. What happened to all the money? 

Just be honest, Joe.

Among the dashanami the giri line 
accepts non-brahmana.
   
  Vaj:
   Who's a good example of a Shankaracharya 
   who was non-Brahmin E.? Anyone recent or 
   historical that you could share?
  
  Your guru, Swami Rama of the Himalayas, who 
  is survived by one daughter and two sons?
  
  Swami Rama's claims to this spiritual 
  background have been questioned by some of 
  his former students...
  
  Read more:
  
  Subject: The Case against Swami Rama of the Himalayas
  Author: Vaj
  Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
  Date: September 20, 2005
  http://tinyurl.com/2bq5mt3
 





[FairfieldLife] Re: US Federal Deficit Tops One Trillion Dollars

2010-07-14 Thread do.rflex

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_...@... wrote:

 I just want to repeat this over and over again.  Nobody seems to be
listening.  Maybe the repetition will create a vibration of warning for
the entire forum and the country as a whole.



There's a debate going on as to which road to take now: more stimulus,
which most liberal economists are heavily recommending and which history
demands, vs the conservative Hoover-like deficit fearmongers.

Take a careful look at how FDR responded to the Great Depression [below]
with massive stimulus spending and how when listening to the deficit
fearmongers and stopping the spending it brought back the downturn.
After resuming the stimulus spending, the recovery proceeded.

Note these two particular paragraphs in the context below them:

Roosevelt did make one mistake after this.
He caved in to the conservatives in Congress
(and his treasury secretary) and presented a
balanced budget, cutting stimulus spending.

Roosevelt was also worried that inflation
would ensue if GDP grew too fast, which it
was. GDP growth was tremendous. The result
is that the economy contracted 6% to 86.1
billion in 1938. The recovery slipped.

--- Here are the GDP figures of the New Deal in today's dollars. These
are
the facts. To suggest that the New Deal did not help, and maybe made it
worse, is appalling.

The GDP was 103.6 billion in 1929 at the start of the Great Depression
under Herbert Hoover.

It dropped 12% to 91.2 in 1930 (under Hoover).

It dropped another 16% to 76.5 in 1932 (under Hoover).

It dropped another 23% to 58.7 in 1932 (under Hoover).

It dropped only 4% in 1933 after Roosevelt finally took over and stopped
the crisis with emergency
measures. His first 100 days saw a whirlwind of economic relief.

The GDP then rose a staggering 17% to 66.0 billion in 1934 (under FDR)!
It rose another 11% to 73.3 in 1935 (under FDR). It rose another 14% to
83.8 in 1936 (under FDR). It rose another 10% to 91.9 in 1937 (under
FDR). These are good numbers. The U.S. was out of a depression by 1937
and in only a recession. FDR also brought relief to the suffering
through relief programs.

The growth of personal income (money in the hands of consumers after
taxes) is almost identical to GDP, which is quote impressive compared to
any president's record. I urge you to seek out the economic statistics
and make the comparison yourself.

One of many great Roosevelt achievements was to reverse the complete
banking collapse under Hoover.

If you look at a GDP chart, you will see a sharp drop in GDP (and
personal income) over several years when Hoover was president. Then you
will see a sharp rise in GDP (and personal income) after Roosevelt took
office - a remarkable record. If you were to count the jobs created by
temporary workfare programs, unemployed dropped to 5% (although this
type of measure is not correct).


GDP Chart showing staggering growth after FDR's 1933 election:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Gdp20-40.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Gdp20-40.jpg


Employment Chart showing massive employment growth during FDR's
presidency beginning right after he was elected:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US_Employment_Graph_-_1920_to_1940.svg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US_Employment_Graph_-_1920_to_1940.sv\
g


Roosevelt did make one mistake after this. He caved in to the
conservatives in Congress (and his treasury secretary) and presented a
balanced budget, cutting stimulus spending. (Roosevelt was a fiscal
conservative before the Great Depression and also wanted to balance the
budget).

Roosevelt was also worried that inflation would ensue if GDP grew too
fast, which it was. GDP growth was tremendous. The result is that the
economy contracted 6% to 86.1 billion in 1938. The recovery slipped.
[SEE CHART ABOVE]

After FDR reversed his conservative budget mistake and returned to his
old budget, the GDP rose again. It rose 7% to 92.2 billion in 1939. It
rose 10% to 101.4 billion in 1940, which is almost where it was at the
start of the Great Depression.

The other minor mistake he made was that the deficit spending was very
small by recent standards and too mild to pull the country fully out of
recession. (Reagan learned from this mistake and massively deficit spent
the U.S. out of recession in 1982).

Around 1940 Congress and FDR finally really ramped up the GDP by
spending massively. Congress passed a massive tax increase (much on the
rich) and massively deficit spent, pumping the money into the economy
through massive military spending for World War II.

The GDP DOUBLED in just three years! Boom! The nation was at full
employment, and then some. Women and other people not working were
called into the workforce to meet the demand for workers. The problem
then was inflation. So the government enforced strict price controls.
This was not a desirable thing to do, but it needed to be done to win
the war by running the war industry at full steam.

GDP was 210.9 billion by 

[FairfieldLife] Re: US Federal Deficit Tops One Trillion Dollars

2010-07-14 Thread do.rflex


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u wg...@... wrote:

 Unfortunately GWya kind of through us conservatives under the bus with 
 his/their lavish spending (at least the economy was good at the time), most 
 EVERY Democrat went along with it too...at least the Republicans have some 
 modicum of fiscal accountability left. The Democrats are truly sociopathic 
 when it comes to spending
 


Really? Which Republican administrations were fiscally responsible with a 
prosperous economy and a strong middle class?




 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote:
 
  The Tea Party is listening, that is their message! In 2006 conservatives 
  abandoned the Republicans at the polls because of too much spending, not 
  because 
  the war in Iraq was going badly or Osama Bin Laden had not been captured. 
  Recent 
  polls suggest the country wants divided government again to keep taxing 
  and spending in check. Hell, Pelosi won't even submit a budget, much less 
  commit 
  to one. I'm sure the idea is  to run up the debt and let the Republicans 
  deal 
  with it and take the blame.
  
  
  
  
  From: John jr_esq@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Tue, July 13, 2010 9:42:29 PM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: US Federal Deficit Tops One Trillion Dollars
  
    
  I just want to repeat this over and over again. Nobody seems to be 
  listening. 
  Maybe the repetition will create a vibration of warning for the entire 
  forum and 
  the country as a whole.
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote:
  
   Ummm John... just now figurin' this out?
   
   
   
   
   
   From: John jr_esq@
   To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tue, July 13, 2010 3:00:17 PM
   Subject: [FairfieldLife] US Federal Deficit Tops One Trillion Dollars
   
     
   Both major parties are to blame for this financial fiasco. In the end, we 
   as 
   taxpayers will pay for this huge bill. If not, future generations of 
   Americans 
  
   will pay for it if the country is still existing by then.
   
   http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100713/ap_on_bi_ge/us_budget_deficit
  
 





Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US Federal Deficit Tops One Trillion Dollars

2010-07-14 Thread Bhairitu
You're being a bit selective there, Mike.  There's plenty of blame to go 
around.  We depend upon our elected officials to maintain our life, 
liberty and pursuit of happiness.  The Repubs thing they are only 
responsible for the life, liberty and pursuit of happiness for the 
business community.  The Dems are supposed to be for the people but I 
think many of them have become closet Repubs.

Mike Dixon wrote:
 Bush tried to warn the congress that Fanny- Mac had major problems in 2001. 
 So 
 did McCain, later on. As I recall, Barney Frank and maybe Chris Dodd refused 
 any 
 reform of those institutions from committees they served on. The rest is 
 history.



 
 From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Wed, July 14, 2010 9:05:15 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US Federal Deficit Tops One Trillion Dollars

   
 Don't forget people were marketed loans and spending. Remember the 
 George Dumbfuck Bush told people to go shopping after 9-11. The 
 banksters were lending out 33 dollars for every one they actually had in 
 the bank. They should have told people wanting mortgages that the house 
 they wanted to buy was overpriced and denied them the loan that way. 
 Greed is the monster.

 The whole thing is just the divine comedy.

 seekliberation wrote:
   
 Just like Maharishi said, 'government is an innocent reflection of the 
 collective consciousness of a nation'. 


 I interpret that in terms of our federal deficit to mean that 'if we are a 
 nation of people who spend more than we earn, we will have a government that 
 spends more than it earns'. 


 We are all to blame for the defecit, IMHO. Of course there are some honest 
 workers on this forum who don't expect benefits they haven't earned, but 
 across 
 the board Americans are in a fantasy world regarding how much effort they 
 need 
 to put forth in relation to the benefits they recieve. That's why credit 
 cards 
 are maxed out, people buy homes they can't really afford, and loans are 
 taken 
 out for things people don't really need. Most Americans are no different 
 than 
 the politicians they blame for everything. The only difference is that the 
 politicians are in a position where their ignorance has a more catastrophic 
 effect. 


 seekliberation

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_...@... wrote:

 
 I just want to repeat this over and over again. Nobody seems to be 
 listening. 
 Maybe the repetition will create a vibration of warning for the entire 
 forum and 
 the country as a whole.



 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote:

   
 Ummm John... just now figurin' this out?




 
 From: John jr_esq@
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Tue, July 13, 2010 3:00:17 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] US Federal Deficit Tops One Trillion Dollars

 Â 
 Both major parties are to blame for this financial fiasco. In the end, we 
 as 
 

   
 taxpayers will pay for this huge bill. If not, future generations of 
 Americans 
 
 will pay for it if the country is still existing by then.

 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100713/ap_on_bi_ge/us_budget_deficit


 


 





   
   



[FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Judith's book

2010-07-14 Thread TurquoiseB
Great review, Curtis. I have not read the book yet and probably will not
get to for some time, because I'm leaving for a long summer vacation
soon
and it wouldn't have had time to to get here before I left.

That said, and reading in between the lines of posts made by those who
have read the book, isn't it interesting that you and I, the way we have
been
both characterized on this forum as woman-hating skirt chasers, are
among
the only people so far expressing any concern for the *women* in all of
this?

I mean, the so-called feminists are busy trying to find ways to give
MMY
a free pass. Go figure, eh?

I've had close friends and lovers who have been placed in this situation
by
a supposed enlightened being. Put out or get out, followed by OK,
*now*
get out...I'm bored with you. I've seen first-hand what this does to a
person.
This is not my idea of the way that a human being should treat a woman,
let alone an enlightened human being.

But our residents feminists seem to see nothing wrong with it. Go
figure.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
curtisdeltabl...@... wrote:

 Thought I would weigh in on Judith's book because I believe it is a
profound contribution to understanding Maharishi.

 My first impression is that he was lucky to have it be Judith as the
first to document one of his affairs.  She is a sensitive writer and
presents her experience with a lot of kindness to Maharishi. Judith
comes off as too thoughtful and sincere for people to continue to
challenge her veracity.  She is for real.  I can easily understand why
it took her so long to process her feelings about this relationship. 
She did an excellent job with an extremely sensitive and personal topic.
This book is a gift to all of us who knew him and I thank her for it.

 As with Maharishi's death, the book represents another milestone in my
evolving perspective on the guy.  Initially I was a little pissed that
someone, out of all the people in cahoots to make these affairs possible
(Jerry for one), hadn't blown the whistle explicitly a long time ago. 
It sure would have helped me when I was under his brahmachari
instructions to know that even the great Maharishi was tormented and
couldn't control the mighty dhoti dolphin. That this conflict wasn't due
to MY lack of focus on my energy going up. (The Catholic Church just
called and wants its sex-guilt-teaching back.)

 His inner conflicts, revealed in his discussing with Judith how his
energy was going down because of his banging her, shows him as a
religious zealot who was tormented Jerry Falwell style by his own
antiquated beliefs.   Then he pats the bed beside him inviting her once
again to play Gopi to his Krishna.  Woman maligned as Eve the temptress
is one of the shittiest implied messages religion peddles!

 The book made me see Maharishi paradoxically in both a more
sympathetic light, as well as revealing that he was a world-class
selfish lout.  I get his own internal struggles with his beliefs and I
also get the kid-in-the-candy-store temptation he was under.  I believe
that people who live in this kind of atmosphere of reverence lose their
brain's checks and balances between parts of the brain that usually
controls our impulses.  Whether he started off as the emperor's spoiled
child or his surrounding himself with adoring people made him that way,
means little in the end.  The guy became like the rock stars whose fame
he courted.  Not quite Mao with hundreds of the hottest country girls
from rural China at his parties every night, but a sizable heap of
hypocrisy for a self- proclaimed celibate who preached its virtues to
us, while having his own holy pipes regularly cleaned.

 In one section another girl tells Judith about him copping a feel and
then telling her not to wear that top again!  WTF, Don't they have
bases in Cricket like baseball?  Anytime your hands are rounding second
base without any kissing beforehand you are a masher on the level of
the weaselly guy on a crowded bus. Then blaming her clothes for this
caddish behavior is lame. Very 1950's rape trial BS. If it please the
court I would like to offer that the defendant's tat-tas were seriously
akimbo and muh client was merely trying to readjust them to their
natural symmetry.  He couldn't help himself yuh honor.

 Maharishi comes off in the book as somewhat kinder to Judith than some
rockstars might have been.  But in the end,the roady still throws her
bags off the bus.  And given that he was presenting himself as uniquely
giving the highest teaching of life, this sort of transgression against
these women rises to cosmic asshole status.  He can't have it both ways.
If what he said about his teaching was true (and I'm solidly in the camp
of no it wasn't) then he set these chicks up for a strong force taking
them off the holy cosmic path.   Serving them a big helping of romantic
rejection from their guru and then seeing him move on to the next piece
of adoring groupie tail that struck his fancy was 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Galbraith: The danger posed by the deficit 'is zero' (was: US Federal Deficit

2010-07-14 Thread jpgillam
More in this vein:

The Miracle Deficit Cure? Growth.

http://www.slate.com/id/2260365/

Federal tax revenues are highly leveraged to economic growth and to the 
performance of markets, corporations, and rich people. This means they can be 
volatile. When markets and profits boom, capital gains taxes, payroll and 
income taxes, and corporate income taxes flow like a mighty stream. As a 
result, it's not uncommon for tax receipts to rise 6 percent or 7 percent in a 
year when the economy grows by 3 percent. ... In good times, when tax receipts 
are high, less money is spent on stimulus and social welfare benefits. In bad 
times, when tax receipts are ebbing, more money goes out the door. And that's 
why surpluses and deficits can materialize out of nowhere.

http://www.slate.com/id/2260365/


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote:

 Galbraith: The danger posed by the deficit `is zero'
 James Galbraith is an economist and the Lloyd M. Bentsen Jr.  chair in
 government and business relations at the University of Texas at  Austin.
 He's also a skeptic of the prevailing concern over America's  long-term
 deficit. With many people now comparing America's fiscal  condition to
 Greece, I spoke with Galbraith to get the other side of the  argument.
 An edited transcript of our conversation follows.
 
 
 
 
 EK: You think the danger posed by the long-term deficit is  overstated
 by most economists and economic commentators.
 
 JG:  No, I think the danger is zero. It's not  overstated. It's
 completely misstated.
 
 EK: Why?
 
 JG:  What is the nature of the danger? The only  possible answer is that
 this larger deficit would cause a rise in the  interest rate. Well, if
 the markets thought that was a serious risk, the  rate on 20-year
 treasury bonds wouldn't be 4 percent and change now. If  the markets
 thought that the interest rate would be forced up by  funding
 difficulties 10 year from now, it would show up in the 20-year  rate.
 That rate has actually been coming down in the wake of the  European
 crisis.
 
 So there are two possibilities here. One is the theory is wrong. The 
 other is that the market isn't rational. And if the market isn't 
 rational, there's no point in designing policy to accommodate the 
 markets because you can't accommodate an irrational entity.
 
 EK: Then why are the bulk of your colleagues so worried about  this?
 
 JG:  Let's push a bit deeper on the CBO forecasts.  They publish a
 baseline set of projections. One of those projections  holds the economy
 will return to a normal high-employment level with low  inflation over
 the next 10 years. If true, that would be wonderful  news. Go down a few
 lines and they also have the short-term interest  rate going up to 5
 percent. It's that short-term interest rate combined  with that low
 inflation rate that allows them to generate, quite  mechanically, these
 enormous future deficit forecasts. And those  forecasts are driven
 partially by the assumption that health-care costs  will rise forever at
 a faster rate than everything else and by interest  payments on the debt
 will hit 20 or 25 percent of GDP.
 
 At this point, the whole thing is completely incoherent. You cannot 
 write checks to 20 percent to anybody without that money entering the 
 economy and increasing employment and inflation. And if it does that, 
 then debt-to-GDP has to be lower, because inflation figures into how 
 much debt we have. These numbers need to come together in a coherent 
 story, and the CBO's forecast does not give us a coherent story. So 
 everything that is said that is based on the CBO's baseline is, strictly
 speaking, nonsense.
 
 EK: But couldn't there be a space between the CBO being  totally correct
 and the debt not being a problem? It seems certain, for  instance, that
 health-care costs will continue to rise faster than other  sectors of
 the economy.
 
 JG:  No, it's not reasonable. Share of health-care  cost would rise as
 part of total GDP and the inflation would rise to be  nearer to what the
 rate of health-care inflation is. And if health care  does get that
 expensive, and we're paying 30 percent of GDP while  everyone else is
 paying 12 percent, we could buy Paris and all the  doctors and just move
 our elderly there.
 
 EK: But putting inflation aside, the gap between spending and  revenues
 won't have other ill effects?
 
 JG:  Is there any terrible consequence because we  haven't prefunded the
 defense budget? No. There's only one budget and  one borrowing authority
 and all that matters is what that authority  pays. Say I'm the federal
 government and I wish to pay you, Ezra Klein, a  billion dollars to
 build an aircraft carrier. I put money in your bank  account for that.
 Did the Federal Reserve look into that? Did the IRS  sign off on it?
 Government does not need money to spend just as a  bowling alley does
 not run out of points.
 
 What people worry about is that the federal government won't 

[FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Judith's book

2010-07-14 Thread curtisdeltablues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote:

 Great review, Curtis. I have not read the book yet and probably will not
 get to for some time, because I'm leaving for a long summer vacation
 soon
 and it wouldn't have had time to to get here before I left.

Thanks man, it is worth a read.  I only wish it was twice as long!  I hope it 
is not the last memoir.  It wouldn't even have to be another sex revelation, I 
would like to read a thick Kitty Kelly type book on his personal life.  I'm 
sure there are some entertaining Howard Hughes/Jacko lifestyle revelations to 
come.  

 
 That said, and reading in between the lines of posts made by those who
 have read the book, isn't it interesting that you and I, the way we have 
 been both characterized on this forum as woman-hating skirt chasers, are 
 among the only people so far expressing any concern for the *women* in all 
 of this?

I've been tracking Joe's discussions on the book and not much else here.  I 
never sensed any of that neg on women vibe from you.  Both of us have been in 
situations where we could have abused our movement position with women so our 
money is where our mouth is on this.  I was a good little doobie. 

But I can cop to putting women in some of my MIU relationships into Maharishi's 
double bind that their intimacy with me was limiting my spiritual progress.  
OTH I was 21 and he was 56 while running this unsavory number on women.  I've 
been making it up to women ever since. (Cue pizza deliver boy porno synthesizer 
music here!)

Have a great vacation and I hope it involves some excellent tests to your 
stalwart nature. (thongs)


 
 I mean, the so-called feminists are busy trying to find ways to give
 MMY
 a free pass. Go figure, eh?
 
 I've had close friends and lovers who have been placed in this situation
 by
 a supposed enlightened being. Put out or get out, followed by OK,
 *now*
 get out...I'm bored with you. I've seen first-hand what this does to a
 person.
 This is not my idea of the way that a human being should treat a woman,
 let alone an enlightened human being.
 
 But our residents feminists seem to see nothing wrong with it. Go
 figure.
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
 curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
 
  Thought I would weigh in on Judith's book because I believe it is a
 profound contribution to understanding Maharishi.
 
  My first impression is that he was lucky to have it be Judith as the
 first to document one of his affairs.  She is a sensitive writer and
 presents her experience with a lot of kindness to Maharishi. Judith
 comes off as too thoughtful and sincere for people to continue to
 challenge her veracity.  She is for real.  I can easily understand why
 it took her so long to process her feelings about this relationship. 
 She did an excellent job with an extremely sensitive and personal topic.
 This book is a gift to all of us who knew him and I thank her for it.
 
  As with Maharishi's death, the book represents another milestone in my
 evolving perspective on the guy.  Initially I was a little pissed that
 someone, out of all the people in cahoots to make these affairs possible
 (Jerry for one), hadn't blown the whistle explicitly a long time ago. 
 It sure would have helped me when I was under his brahmachari
 instructions to know that even the great Maharishi was tormented and
 couldn't control the mighty dhoti dolphin. That this conflict wasn't due
 to MY lack of focus on my energy going up. (The Catholic Church just
 called and wants its sex-guilt-teaching back.)
 
  His inner conflicts, revealed in his discussing with Judith how his
 energy was going down because of his banging her, shows him as a
 religious zealot who was tormented Jerry Falwell style by his own
 antiquated beliefs.   Then he pats the bed beside him inviting her once
 again to play Gopi to his Krishna.  Woman maligned as Eve the temptress
 is one of the shittiest implied messages religion peddles!
 
  The book made me see Maharishi paradoxically in both a more
 sympathetic light, as well as revealing that he was a world-class
 selfish lout.  I get his own internal struggles with his beliefs and I
 also get the kid-in-the-candy-store temptation he was under.  I believe
 that people who live in this kind of atmosphere of reverence lose their
 brain's checks and balances between parts of the brain that usually
 controls our impulses.  Whether he started off as the emperor's spoiled
 child or his surrounding himself with adoring people made him that way,
 means little in the end.  The guy became like the rock stars whose fame
 he courted.  Not quite Mao with hundreds of the hottest country girls
 from rural China at his parties every night, but a sizable heap of
 hypocrisy for a self- proclaimed celibate who preached its virtues to
 us, while having his own holy pipes regularly cleaned.
 
  In one section another girl tells Judith about him copping a feel and
 then telling her not to 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand

2010-07-14 Thread Joe


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote:

 
 
   Your guru, Swami Rama of the Himalayas, who 
   is survived by one daughter and two sons?
  
 Joe:
  I see. It's my guru's better than your guru 
  time for Wee Willy.
  
 You don't have to get so upset. So, you wanted to 
 be a spiritual teacher, but things just didn't 
 work out for you. The least you could do is say 
 you're sorry for misleading all those poor students 
 you initiated. What happened to all the money? 
 
 Just be honest, Joe.
 
I already addressed this Tex, yesterday. The vast majority of the money ended 
up in the hands of the Shrivastava/Varma clan. You should direct your question 
to them. 

Only your own tortured logic could have you asking me a question like that.

I think I'm out of posts for the week. Or mighty close.



[FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Judith's book

2010-07-14 Thread yifuxero
Well done! forwarded review to Jerry J. just now.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
 
  Great review, Curtis. I have not read the book yet and probably will not
  get to for some time, because I'm leaving for a long summer vacation
  soon
  and it wouldn't have had time to to get here before I left.
 
 Thanks man, it is worth a read.  I only wish it was twice as long!  I hope it 
 is not the last memoir.  It wouldn't even have to be another sex revelation, 
 I would like to read a thick Kitty Kelly type book on his personal life.  I'm 
 sure there are some entertaining Howard Hughes/Jacko lifestyle revelations to 
 come.  
 
  
  That said, and reading in between the lines of posts made by those who
  have read the book, isn't it interesting that you and I, the way we have 
  been both characterized on this forum as woman-hating skirt chasers, are 
  among the only people so far expressing any concern for the *women* in all 
  of this?
 
 I've been tracking Joe's discussions on the book and not much else here.  I 
 never sensed any of that neg on women vibe from you.  Both of us have been in 
 situations where we could have abused our movement position with women so our 
 money is where our mouth is on this.  I was a good little doobie. 
 
 But I can cop to putting women in some of my MIU relationships into 
 Maharishi's double bind that their intimacy with me was limiting my spiritual 
 progress.  OTH I was 21 and he was 56 while running this unsavory number on 
 women.  I've been making it up to women ever since. (Cue pizza deliver boy 
 porno synthesizer music here!)
 
 Have a great vacation and I hope it involves some excellent tests to your 
 stalwart nature. (thongs)
 
 
  
  I mean, the so-called feminists are busy trying to find ways to give
  MMY
  a free pass. Go figure, eh?
  
  I've had close friends and lovers who have been placed in this situation
  by
  a supposed enlightened being. Put out or get out, followed by OK,
  *now*
  get out...I'm bored with you. I've seen first-hand what this does to a
  person.
  This is not my idea of the way that a human being should treat a woman,
  let alone an enlightened human being.
  
  But our residents feminists seem to see nothing wrong with it. Go
  figure.
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
  curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
  
   Thought I would weigh in on Judith's book because I believe it is a
  profound contribution to understanding Maharishi.
  
   My first impression is that he was lucky to have it be Judith as the
  first to document one of his affairs.  She is a sensitive writer and
  presents her experience with a lot of kindness to Maharishi. Judith
  comes off as too thoughtful and sincere for people to continue to
  challenge her veracity.  She is for real.  I can easily understand why
  it took her so long to process her feelings about this relationship. 
  She did an excellent job with an extremely sensitive and personal topic.
  This book is a gift to all of us who knew him and I thank her for it.
  
   As with Maharishi's death, the book represents another milestone in my
  evolving perspective on the guy.  Initially I was a little pissed that
  someone, out of all the people in cahoots to make these affairs possible
  (Jerry for one), hadn't blown the whistle explicitly a long time ago. 
  It sure would have helped me when I was under his brahmachari
  instructions to know that even the great Maharishi was tormented and
  couldn't control the mighty dhoti dolphin. That this conflict wasn't due
  to MY lack of focus on my energy going up. (The Catholic Church just
  called and wants its sex-guilt-teaching back.)
  
   His inner conflicts, revealed in his discussing with Judith how his
  energy was going down because of his banging her, shows him as a
  religious zealot who was tormented Jerry Falwell style by his own
  antiquated beliefs.   Then he pats the bed beside him inviting her once
  again to play Gopi to his Krishna.  Woman maligned as Eve the temptress
  is one of the shittiest implied messages religion peddles!
  
   The book made me see Maharishi paradoxically in both a more
  sympathetic light, as well as revealing that he was a world-class
  selfish lout.  I get his own internal struggles with his beliefs and I
  also get the kid-in-the-candy-store temptation he was under.  I believe
  that people who live in this kind of atmosphere of reverence lose their
  brain's checks and balances between parts of the brain that usually
  controls our impulses.  Whether he started off as the emperor's spoiled
  child or his surrounding himself with adoring people made him that way,
  means little in the end.  The guy became like the rock stars whose fame
  he courted.  Not quite Mao with hundreds of the hottest country girls
  from rural China at his parties every night, but a sizable heap of
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Galbraith: The danger posed by the deficit 'is zero' (was: US Federal Deficit

2010-07-14 Thread do.rflex


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jpgillam jpgil...@... wrote:

 More in this vein:
 
 The Miracle Deficit Cure? Growth.
 
 http://www.slate.com/id/2260365/
 
 Federal tax revenues are highly leveraged to economic growth and to the 
 performance of markets, corporations, and rich people. This means they can be 
 volatile. When markets and profits boom, capital gains taxes, payroll and 
 income taxes, and corporate income taxes flow like a mighty stream. As a 
 result, it's not uncommon for tax receipts to rise 6 percent or 7 percent in 
 a year when the economy grows by 3 percent. ... In good times, when tax 
 receipts are high, less money is spent on stimulus and social welfare 
 benefits. In bad times, when tax receipts are ebbing, more money goes out the 
 door. And that's why surpluses and deficits can materialize out of nowhere.
 
 http://www.slate.com/id/2260365/
 


Yes, indeed. The article gives real concrete ongoing evidence of how stimulus 
spending affects growth, increasing tax revenues and actually turning around 
the deficit on that basis.

Thanks Patrick, for the article. 





 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote:
 
  Galbraith: The danger posed by the deficit `is zero'
  James Galbraith is an economist and the Lloyd M. Bentsen Jr.  chair in
  government and business relations at the University of Texas at  Austin.
  He's also a skeptic of the prevailing concern over America's  long-term
  deficit. With many people now comparing America's fiscal  condition to
  Greece, I spoke with Galbraith to get the other side of the  argument.
  An edited transcript of our conversation follows.
  
  
  
  
  EK: You think the danger posed by the long-term deficit is  overstated
  by most economists and economic commentators.
  
  JG:  No, I think the danger is zero. It's not  overstated. It's
  completely misstated.
  
  EK: Why?
  
  JG:  What is the nature of the danger? The only  possible answer is that
  this larger deficit would cause a rise in the  interest rate. Well, if
  the markets thought that was a serious risk, the  rate on 20-year
  treasury bonds wouldn't be 4 percent and change now. If  the markets
  thought that the interest rate would be forced up by  funding
  difficulties 10 year from now, it would show up in the 20-year  rate.
  That rate has actually been coming down in the wake of the  European
  crisis.
  
  So there are two possibilities here. One is the theory is wrong. The 
  other is that the market isn't rational. And if the market isn't 
  rational, there's no point in designing policy to accommodate the 
  markets because you can't accommodate an irrational entity.
  
  EK: Then why are the bulk of your colleagues so worried about  this?
  
  JG:  Let's push a bit deeper on the CBO forecasts.  They publish a
  baseline set of projections. One of those projections  holds the economy
  will return to a normal high-employment level with low  inflation over
  the next 10 years. If true, that would be wonderful  news. Go down a few
  lines and they also have the short-term interest  rate going up to 5
  percent. It's that short-term interest rate combined  with that low
  inflation rate that allows them to generate, quite  mechanically, these
  enormous future deficit forecasts. And those  forecasts are driven
  partially by the assumption that health-care costs  will rise forever at
  a faster rate than everything else and by interest  payments on the debt
  will hit 20 or 25 percent of GDP.
  
  At this point, the whole thing is completely incoherent. You cannot 
  write checks to 20 percent to anybody without that money entering the 
  economy and increasing employment and inflation. And if it does that, 
  then debt-to-GDP has to be lower, because inflation figures into how 
  much debt we have. These numbers need to come together in a coherent 
  story, and the CBO's forecast does not give us a coherent story. So 
  everything that is said that is based on the CBO's baseline is, strictly
  speaking, nonsense.
  
  EK: But couldn't there be a space between the CBO being  totally correct
  and the debt not being a problem? It seems certain, for  instance, that
  health-care costs will continue to rise faster than other  sectors of
  the economy.
  
  JG:  No, it's not reasonable. Share of health-care  cost would rise as
  part of total GDP and the inflation would rise to be  nearer to what the
  rate of health-care inflation is. And if health care  does get that
  expensive, and we're paying 30 percent of GDP while  everyone else is
  paying 12 percent, we could buy Paris and all the  doctors and just move
  our elderly there.
  
  EK: But putting inflation aside, the gap between spending and  revenues
  won't have other ill effects?
  
  JG:  Is there any terrible consequence because we  haven't prefunded the
  defense budget? No. There's only one budget and  one borrowing authority
  and all that matters is what that authority  pays. Say 

[FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Judith's book

2010-07-14 Thread curtisdeltablues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfr...@... wrote:

 Hey Curtis! We've missed you brother, and we've REALLY missed your 
 exceptional writing. I forwarded your review to Judith...hope you don't mind!

Thanks Joe.  I'm glad she will read what I wrote.  I was going to send her a 
more gushy thank you for the book, but my post gave her the solid props she 
deserves.  

 
 Isn't it funny that this book, while sealing the deal about what MMY did 
 sexually, also has the effect of humanizing him, and as a result, causing us 
 both to feel a new kind of sympathy for him.

You nailed it. Your thoughtful posts made me want to write about how the book 
affected me.  I am stuck between the feelings of seeing him as another 
conflicted dude with a high falut'n fantasy mission, trying to live up to his 
own hype, and seeing him as another religious hypocrite who placed impossible 
standards on others that he couldn't live up to.  I see him as psychologically 
damaged goods.  His life was many versions of weird.  And I do believe that 
humans put in personal fiefdoms where they never hear no makes them nuts.  

But Judith has given me more spin on the side of him evolving into the user he 
became rather than a straight-up narcissist con man working us all.  He seemed 
to be as much of a victim of his own bullshit as I was.  And who do we have to 
thank for that?  An uber-oddball homeless guy who won the lottery and became 
the Hindu pope!  Jai guru wh!

Since Maharishi knew his holy sage routine was an act, he could have been a bit 
more real with us.  But as a religious fundamentalist on a mission, I can see 
why that was impossible for him.  And if enough people tell you your farts 
smell like rose petals perhaps you just believe that you are the chosen one 
eventually.

I am still undecided about whether he had contempt for his followers like a 
person with a true narcissist personality disorder would have.  

Judy did us a real favor with this book.  The people who can't face Maharishi 
the human and would never read this are missing something much more intriguing 
on a human level than seeing him as the cartoon character poster boy for an 
over-hyped state of mind and point of view.

Oh yeah and one last thing.  At least we can be grateful that he gave his 
purity kingdom facade up for such a genuine stunner!  I would have been very 
disappointed with another Monica!   







 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ 
 wrote:
 
  Thought I would weigh in on Judith's book because I believe it is a 
  profound contribution to understanding Maharishi. 
  
  My first impression is that he was lucky to have it be Judith as the first 
  to document one of his affairs.  She is a sensitive writer and presents her 
  experience with a lot of kindness to Maharishi. Judith comes off as too 
  thoughtful and sincere for people to continue to challenge her veracity.  
  She is for real.  I can easily understand why it took her so long to 
  process her feelings about this relationship.  She did an excellent job 
  with an extremely sensitive and personal topic.   This book is a gift to 
  all of us who knew him and I thank her for it.
  
  As with Maharishi's death, the book represents another milestone in my 
  evolving perspective on the guy.  Initially I was a little pissed that 
  someone, out of all the people in cahoots to make these affairs possible 
  (Jerry for one), hadn't blown the whistle explicitly a long time ago.  It 
  sure would have helped me when I was under his brahmachari instructions to 
  know that even the great Maharishi was tormented and couldn't control the 
  mighty dhoti dolphin. That this conflict wasn't due to MY lack of focus on 
  my energy going up. (The Catholic Church just called and wants its 
  sex-guilt-teaching back.)
  
  His inner conflicts, revealed in his discussing with Judith how his energy 
  was going down because of his banging her, shows him as a religious 
  zealot who was tormented Jerry Falwell style by his own antiquated beliefs. 
Then he pats the bed beside him inviting her once again to play Gopi to 
  his Krishna.  Woman maligned as Eve the temptress is one of the shittiest 
  implied messages religion peddles! 
  
  The book made me see Maharishi paradoxically in both a more sympathetic 
  light, as well as revealing that he was a world-class selfish lout.  I get 
  his own internal struggles with his beliefs and I also get the 
  kid-in-the-candy-store temptation he was under.  I believe that people who 
  live in this kind of atmosphere of reverence lose their brain's checks and 
  balances between parts of the brain that usually controls our impulses.  
  Whether he started off as the emperor's spoiled child or his surrounding 
  himself with adoring people made him that way, means little in the end.  
  The guy became like the rock stars whose fame he courted.  Not quite Mao 
  with hundreds of the hottest 

[FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Judith's book

2010-07-14 Thread jpgillam
I enjoyed the review, too. Thanks for 
going to the trouble.

So, the book was well-written? I was 
wondering. It makes a difference.

Is the book stocked at Revelations 
bookstore in Fairfield?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifux...@... wrote:

 Well done! forwarded review to Jerry J. just now.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
  
   Great review, Curtis. I have not read the book yet and probably will not
   get to for some time, because I'm leaving for a long summer vacation
   soon
   and it wouldn't have had time to to get here before I left.
  
  Thanks man, it is worth a read.  I only wish it was twice as long!  I hope 
  it is not the last memoir.  It wouldn't even have to be another sex 
  revelation, I would like to read a thick Kitty Kelly type book on his 
  personal life.  I'm sure there are some entertaining Howard Hughes/Jacko 
  lifestyle revelations to come.  




RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Judith's book

2010-07-14 Thread Rick Archer
Curtis, I still think you would do well writing a book. You're such an
entertaining writer, and you've got a lot to write about. There are lots of
autobiographies these days by people who were in and then out of cults, such
as Cartwheels in a Sari.

 

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of curtisdeltablues
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 2:27 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Judith's book

 

  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Joe geezerfr...@... wrote:

 Hey Curtis! We've missed you brother, and we've REALLY missed your
exceptional writing. I forwarded your review to Judith...hope you don't
mind!

Thanks Joe. I'm glad she will read what I wrote. I was going to send her a
more gushy thank you for the book, but my post gave her the solid props she
deserves. 

 
 Isn't it funny that this book, while sealing the deal about what MMY did
sexually, also has the effect of humanizing him, and as a result, causing us
both to feel a new kind of sympathy for him.

You nailed it. Your thoughtful posts made me want to write about how the
book affected me. I am stuck between the feelings of seeing him as another
conflicted dude with a high falut'n fantasy mission, trying to live up to
his own hype, and seeing him as another religious hypocrite who placed
impossible standards on others that he couldn't live up to. I see him as
psychologically damaged goods. His life was many versions of weird. And I do
believe that humans put in personal fiefdoms where they never hear no
makes them nuts. 

But Judith has given me more spin on the side of him evolving into the user
he became rather than a straight-up narcissist con man working us all. He
seemed to be as much of a victim of his own bullshit as I was. And who do we
have to thank for that? An uber-oddball homeless guy who won the lottery and
became the Hindu pope! Jai guru wh!

Since Maharishi knew his holy sage routine was an act, he could have been a
bit more real with us. But as a religious fundamentalist on a mission, I can
see why that was impossible for him. And if enough people tell you your
farts smell like rose petals perhaps you just believe that you are the
chosen one eventually.

I am still undecided about whether he had contempt for his followers like a
person with a true narcissist personality disorder would have. 

Judy did us a real favor with this book. The people who can't face Maharishi
the human and would never read this are missing something much more
intriguing on a human level than seeing him as the cartoon character poster
boy for an over-hyped state of mind and point of view.

Oh yeah and one last thing. At least we can be grateful that he gave his
purity kingdom facade up for such a genuine stunner! I would have been very
disappointed with another Monica! 

 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , curtisdeltablues
curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
 
  Thought I would weigh in on Judith's book because I believe it is a
profound contribution to understanding Maharishi. 
  
  My first impression is that he was lucky to have it be Judith as the
first to document one of his affairs. She is a sensitive writer and presents
her experience with a lot of kindness to Maharishi. Judith comes off as too
thoughtful and sincere for people to continue to challenge her veracity. She
is for real. I can easily understand why it took her so long to process her
feelings about this relationship. She did an excellent job with an extremely
sensitive and personal topic. This book is a gift to all of us who knew him
and I thank her for it.
  
  As with Maharishi's death, the book represents another milestone in my
evolving perspective on the guy. Initially I was a little pissed that
someone, out of all the people in cahoots to make these affairs possible
(Jerry for one), hadn't blown the whistle explicitly a long time ago. It
sure would have helped me when I was under his brahmachari instructions to
know that even the great Maharishi was tormented and couldn't control the
mighty dhoti dolphin. That this conflict wasn't due to MY lack of focus on
my energy going up. (The Catholic Church just called and wants its
sex-guilt-teaching back.)
  
  His inner conflicts, revealed in his discussing with Judith how his
energy was going down because of his banging her, shows him as a religious
zealot who was tormented Jerry Falwell style by his own antiquated beliefs.
Then he pats the bed beside him inviting her once again to play Gopi to his
Krishna. Woman maligned as Eve the temptress is one of the shittiest implied
messages religion peddles! 
  
  The book made me see Maharishi paradoxically in both a more sympathetic
light, as well as revealing that he was a world-class selfish lout. I get
his own internal struggles with his beliefs and I also get the
kid-in-the-candy-store temptation he was under. I 

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Judith's book

2010-07-14 Thread Rick Archer
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of jpgillam
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 2:31 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Judith's book

 

  

I enjoyed the review, too. Thanks for 
going to the trouble.

So, the book was well-written? I was 
wondering. It makes a difference.

Is the book stocked at Revelations 
bookstore in Fairfield?

I doubt it. A big chunk of their business consists of true blue ru's. I
doubt they'd want to stock it. But the Fairfield Public Library will get
one.



[FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Judith's book

2010-07-14 Thread curtisdeltablues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jpgillam jpgil...@... wrote:

 I enjoyed the review, too. Thanks for 
 going to the trouble.
 
 So, the book was well-written? I was 
 wondering. It makes a difference.

I don't pretend to be the best judge of that. It comes across as thoughtfully 
written and carefully edited to me. This is no shitty first draft. She has 
whittled down pretty complex situations with conciseness and precision. This 
took work and it obviously meant a lot to her.

 
 Is the book stocked at Revelations 
 bookstore in Fairfield?

Don't know.


 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifuxero@ wrote:
 
  Well done! forwarded review to Jerry J. just now.
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
  curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
   
Great review, Curtis. I have not read the book yet and probably will not
get to for some time, because I'm leaving for a long summer vacation
soon
and it wouldn't have had time to to get here before I left.
   
   Thanks man, it is worth a read.  I only wish it was twice as long!  I 
   hope it is not the last memoir.  It wouldn't even have to be another sex 
   revelation, I would like to read a thick Kitty Kelly type book on his 
   personal life.  I'm sure there are some entertaining Howard Hughes/Jacko 
   lifestyle revelations to come.





[FairfieldLife] Re: US Federal Deficit Tops One Trillion Dollars

2010-07-14 Thread John
You have to be careful in buying into the Tea Party/Republican agenda.  
Historically, Republicans tend to promise Americans tax cuts to cure the 
economy.  Reagan and the Bushes adopted this strategy and won.  

The tax cuts are obviously appealing to the voters and thus would vote for the 
Republican idea.  But the voters ignore the fact that these tax cuts contribute 
the deficits that we are having now.

On the other hand, Democrats tend to raise taxes to solve problems in the 
economy.  For example, Mondale stated this idea during his candidacy. The 
voters obviously did not like this idea and thus Mondale lost.

President Obama was forced to adopt the stimulus package to save the banks 
and prevent another great depression.  IMO, this strategy worked to save the 
country and the world from economic collapse.

The question now is what do we do with the current deficit and the national 
debt which is approaching in trillions of dollars (about 10 trillion from the 
last figure I remember reading).  The GAO chief has already warned the public 
of the current government balance sheet.

Another round of tax cuts will not be the solution for obvious reason.  IMO, 
both parties would have to stop playing politics and should get together to 
come up with a common/bipartisan solution.

The longer the politicians blame each other, the more the taxpayers pay for the 
interest for the money that was borrowed to pay our expenses.  And, guess who 
is the biggest lender to the US economy?  Red China.  That's right.  Think 
about it.




 





--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@... wrote:

 The Tea Party is listening, that is their message! In 2006 conservatives 
 abandoned the Republicans at the polls because of too much spending, not 
 because 
 the war in Iraq was going badly or Osama Bin Laden had not been captured. 
 Recent 
 polls suggest the country wants divided government again to keep taxing 
 and spending in check. Hell, Pelosi won't even submit a budget, much less 
 commit 
 to one. I'm sure the idea is  to run up the debt and let the Republicans 
 deal 
 with it and take the blame.
 
 
 
 
 From: John jr_...@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Tue, July 13, 2010 9:42:29 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: US Federal Deficit Tops One Trillion Dollars
 
   
 I just want to repeat this over and over again. Nobody seems to be listening. 
 Maybe the repetition will create a vibration of warning for the entire forum 
 and 
 the country as a whole.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote:
 
  Ummm John... just now figurin' this out?
  
  
  
  
  
  From: John jr_esq@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Tue, July 13, 2010 3:00:17 PM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] US Federal Deficit Tops One Trillion Dollars
  
    
  Both major parties are to blame for this financial fiasco. In the end, we 
  as 
  taxpayers will pay for this huge bill. If not, future generations of 
  Americans 
 
  will pay for it if the country is still existing by then.
  
  http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100713/ap_on_bi_ge/us_budget_deficit
 





[FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Judith's book

2010-07-14 Thread Duveyoung
Geeze, confession:  Just sat down before the screen still drowsy after a nap 
and started reading the below and kept saying to myself that I couldn't believe 
Barry was writing such a piece that showed such insight into the predatory 
possibilities of any meeting between minds separated by decades in age apart 
and with such disparity in personal power.  I was so torn between wanting to 
praise Barry and yet rub his nose into the very words he'd written as proof 
that he, indeed, knew how to seduce a young one such that he saw clearly the 
art of Maharishi's methodology.

And then only at the very end did I see Curtis.

What a lesson for me, eh?

Barry ya cudda been a contender.  

Curtis, I bow.  But, heh, I gotta rub your nose in the same ken.  Does ya 
gots a lots of baby babes swooning on the curb to your pluckin' ways?  Hee hee. 
 Talk about a gig for gigging the gals; hmmm, are you pre-filling your open 
guitar case with twenty dollar bills like cheese in a trap for them like it was 
a taste of your Scrooge McDuck pile-back-home?  Just askin' -- ;-)

I remember being tempted right and left running the Napa center during the Merv 
era and processing the crowds, but I was married, and it was that vow that kept 
me clean a lot more than any imprecations by Maharishi.  If I had been single 
while doing my thang with the candles and fruit and incense, I would have 
probably had to wrestle with the same temptations of misusing one's office 
regarding initiates.  As it was, there were several women who made it very 
clear that I was, indeed, special to them by virtue of my holy occupation.  
Thank GAWD my wife was HAWT.  But doing a harem, even if I'd been single, 
was wy not right to me then and now.  Serial rape just isn't loving no 
matter how agog are the babes-lined-up.

Nice piece, bro -- made me all turmoilish.

Edg

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... 
wrote:

 Thought I would weigh in on Judith's book because I believe it is a profound 
 contribution to understanding Maharishi. 
 
 My first impression is that he was lucky to have it be Judith as the first to 
 document one of his affairs.  She is a sensitive writer and presents her 
 experience with a lot of kindness to Maharishi. Judith comes off as too 
 thoughtful and sincere for people to continue to challenge her veracity.  She 
 is for real.  I can easily understand why it took her so long to process her 
 feelings about this relationship.  She did an excellent job with an extremely 
 sensitive and personal topic.   This book is a gift to all of us who knew him 
 and I thank her for it.
 
 As with Maharishi's death, the book represents another milestone in my 
 evolving perspective on the guy.  Initially I was a little pissed that 
 someone, out of all the people in cahoots to make these affairs possible 
 (Jerry for one), hadn't blown the whistle explicitly a long time ago.  It 
 sure would have helped me when I was under his brahmachari instructions to 
 know that even the great Maharishi was tormented and couldn't control the 
 mighty dhoti dolphin. That this conflict wasn't due to MY lack of focus on my 
 energy going up. (The Catholic Church just called and wants its 
 sex-guilt-teaching back.)
 
 His inner conflicts, revealed in his discussing with Judith how his energy 
 was going down because of his banging her, shows him as a religious zealot 
 who was tormented Jerry Falwell style by his own antiquated beliefs.   Then 
 he pats the bed beside him inviting her once again to play Gopi to his 
 Krishna.  Woman maligned as Eve the temptress is one of the shittiest implied 
 messages religion peddles! 
 
 The book made me see Maharishi paradoxically in both a more sympathetic 
 light, as well as revealing that he was a world-class selfish lout.  I get 
 his own internal struggles with his beliefs and I also get the 
 kid-in-the-candy-store temptation he was under.  I believe that people who 
 live in this kind of atmosphere of reverence lose their brain's checks and 
 balances between parts of the brain that usually controls our impulses.  
 Whether he started off as the emperor's spoiled child or his surrounding 
 himself with adoring people made him that way, means little in the end.  The 
 guy became like the rock stars whose fame he courted.  Not quite Mao with 
 hundreds of the hottest country girls from rural China at his parties every 
 night, but a sizable heap of hypocrisy for a self- proclaimed celibate who 
 preached its virtues to us, while having his own holy pipes regularly 
 cleaned. 
  
 In one section another girl tells Judith about him copping a feel and then 
 telling her not to wear that top again!  WTF, Don't they have bases in 
 Cricket like baseball?  Anytime your hands are rounding second base without 
 any kissing beforehand you are a masher on the level of the weaselly guy on 
 a crowded bus. Then blaming her clothes for this caddish behavior is lame. 
 Very 

[FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Judith's book

2010-07-14 Thread jpgillam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jpgillam  wrote:
 
  I enjoyed the review, too. Thanks for 
  going to the trouble.
  
  So, the book was well-written? I was 
  wondering. It makes a difference.
 
 I don't pretend to be the best judge of that. It 
 comes across as thoughtfully written and carefully 
 edited to me. This is no shitty first draft. She has 
 whittled down pretty complex situations with 
 conciseness and precision. This took work and it 
 obviously meant a lot to her.

This ^ is what I was hoping for - that the book is not 
emotional vomit, but a thoughtful story.

Lots of personal stories are more cathartic than artful. 
Glad to read this is an exception.




RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Judith's book

2010-07-14 Thread Rick Archer
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of curtisdeltablues
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 2:44 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Judith's book

 

  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer r...@... wrote:

 Curtis, I still think you would do well writing a book. You're such an
 entertaining writer, and you've got a lot to write about. There are lots
of
 autobiographies these days by people who were in and then out of cults,
such as Cartwheels in a Sari.

Thanks Rick for always being a positive cheerleader for me!

I want to send some big props your way for taking a rash of heat through the
years on a story you were light years ahead of the pack on. Your focus on
what is real and true about Maharishis over what supports personal belief
agendas is an inspiration. After years of people calling you a rumor monger
you are finally vindicated. And what happens...they still call you a rumor
monger! Consistency and commitment are such a human Achilles heel!

I was still decades behind McCutcheon, Clayton, et al, but I wasn't a skin
boy. Also, they didn't have the internet. Another difference: I didn't throw
the baby out with the bathwater. I tried to take a more nuanced approach, as
did Judith.



[FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Judith's book

2010-07-14 Thread curtisdeltablues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote:

 Nice piece, bro -- made me all turmoilish.
 
 Edg
 


High compliment indeed brother. Thanks, creating turmoil is my business!  



 Geeze, confession:  Just sat down before the screen still drowsy after a nap 
 and started reading the below and kept saying to myself that I couldn't 
 believe Barry was writing such a piece that showed such insight into the 
 predatory possibilities of any meeting between minds separated by decades in 
 age apart and with such disparity in personal power.  I was so torn between 
 wanting to praise Barry and yet rub his nose into the very words he'd 
 written as proof that he, indeed, knew how to seduce a young one such that 
 he saw clearly the art of Maharishi's methodology.
 
 And then only at the very end did I see Curtis.
 
 What a lesson for me, eh?
 
 Barry ya cudda been a contender.  
 
 Curtis, I bow.  But, heh, I gotta rub your nose in the same ken.  Does ya 
 gots a lots of baby babes swooning on the curb to your pluckin' ways?  Hee 
 hee.  Talk about a gig for gigging the gals; hmmm, are you pre-filling your 
 open guitar case with twenty dollar bills like cheese in a trap for them like 
 it was a taste of your Scrooge McDuck pile-back-home?  Just askin' -- ;-)
 
 I remember being tempted right and left running the Napa center during the 
 Merv era and processing the crowds, but I was married, and it was that vow 
 that kept me clean a lot more than any imprecations by Maharishi.  If I had 
 been single while doing my thang with the candles and fruit and incense, I 
 would have probably had to wrestle with the same temptations of misusing 
 one's office regarding initiates.  As it was, there were several women who 
 made it very clear that I was, indeed, special to them by virtue of my holy 
 occupation.  Thank GAWD my wife was HAWT.  But doing a harem, even if I'd 
 been single, was wy not right to me then and now.  Serial rape just 
 isn't loving no matter how agog are the babes-lined-up.
 
 Nice piece, bro -- made me all turmoilish.
 
 Edg
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ 
 wrote:
 
  Thought I would weigh in on Judith's book because I believe it is a 
  profound contribution to understanding Maharishi. 
  
  My first impression is that he was lucky to have it be Judith as the first 
  to document one of his affairs.  She is a sensitive writer and presents her 
  experience with a lot of kindness to Maharishi. Judith comes off as too 
  thoughtful and sincere for people to continue to challenge her veracity.  
  She is for real.  I can easily understand why it took her so long to 
  process her feelings about this relationship.  She did an excellent job 
  with an extremely sensitive and personal topic.   This book is a gift to 
  all of us who knew him and I thank her for it.
  
  As with Maharishi's death, the book represents another milestone in my 
  evolving perspective on the guy.  Initially I was a little pissed that 
  someone, out of all the people in cahoots to make these affairs possible 
  (Jerry for one), hadn't blown the whistle explicitly a long time ago.  It 
  sure would have helped me when I was under his brahmachari instructions to 
  know that even the great Maharishi was tormented and couldn't control the 
  mighty dhoti dolphin. That this conflict wasn't due to MY lack of focus on 
  my energy going up. (The Catholic Church just called and wants its 
  sex-guilt-teaching back.)
  
  His inner conflicts, revealed in his discussing with Judith how his energy 
  was going down because of his banging her, shows him as a religious 
  zealot who was tormented Jerry Falwell style by his own antiquated beliefs. 
Then he pats the bed beside him inviting her once again to play Gopi to 
  his Krishna.  Woman maligned as Eve the temptress is one of the shittiest 
  implied messages religion peddles! 
  
  The book made me see Maharishi paradoxically in both a more sympathetic 
  light, as well as revealing that he was a world-class selfish lout.  I get 
  his own internal struggles with his beliefs and I also get the 
  kid-in-the-candy-store temptation he was under.  I believe that people who 
  live in this kind of atmosphere of reverence lose their brain's checks and 
  balances between parts of the brain that usually controls our impulses.  
  Whether he started off as the emperor's spoiled child or his surrounding 
  himself with adoring people made him that way, means little in the end.  
  The guy became like the rock stars whose fame he courted.  Not quite Mao 
  with hundreds of the hottest country girls from rural China at his parties 
  every night, but a sizable heap of hypocrisy for a self- proclaimed 
  celibate who preached its virtues to us, while having his own holy pipes 
  regularly cleaned. 
   
  In one section another girl tells Judith about him copping a feel and then 
  telling her not to wear that top 

[FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Judith's book

2010-07-14 Thread curtisdeltablues


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote:

snip

 
 I was still decades behind McCutcheon, Clayton, et al, but I wasn't a skin
 boy. Also, they didn't have the internet. Another difference: I didn't throw
 the baby out with the bathwater. I tried to take a more nuanced approach, as
 did Judith.


My take on that baby in the bath!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BceXBtJZ-Qfeature=related









[FairfieldLife] Re: US Federal Deficit Tops One Trillion Dollars

2010-07-14 Thread seekliberation


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote:

 Don't forget people were marketed loans and spending.  Remember the 
 George Dumbfuck Bush  told people to go shopping after 9-11.  The 
 banksters were lending out 33 dollars for every one they actually had in 
 the bank.  They should have told people wanting mortgages that the house 
 they wanted to buy was overpriced and denied them the loan that way.  
 Greed is the monster.

Yes, the banks are part to blame in the whole mess, and greed is the 
monster.but it's also greed that makes a person dumb enough to buy into the 
idea of purchasing a home or taking a huge loan despite the fact they don't 
have the income to pay it off.  I never fell for anything like that, and I know 
others who didn't.  Basically,  if you're going to be dumb enough to buy 
something bogus, there will never be a shortage of those who are willing to 
sell.

seekliberation



[FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Judith's book

2010-07-14 Thread feste37
I have to disagree with part of this, although I have not read the book. Just 
because a woman writes a book, it doesn't mean that what she writes is true, 
although it may be. I would say that this woman's affair with MMY is no 
longer a rumor but nor is it a fact, so no one can be vindicated by its 
publication. It is a claim or an allegation, and I think there is a difference. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote:
 
  Curtis, I still think you would do well writing a book. You're such an
  entertaining writer, and you've got a lot to write about. There are lots of
  autobiographies these days by people who were in and then out of cults, 
  such as Cartwheels in a Sari.
 
 Thanks Rick for always being a positive cheerleader for me!
 
 I want to send some big props your way for taking a rash of heat through the 
 years on a story you were light years ahead of the pack on.  Your focus on 
 what is real and true about Maharishis over what supports personal belief 
 agendas is an inspiration.  After years of people calling you a rumor monger 
 you are finally vindicated.  And what happens...they still call you a rumor 
 monger!  Consistency and commitment are such a human Achilles heel!
 
 
 
 
  
   
  
  From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
  On Behalf Of curtisdeltablues
  Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 2:27 PM
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Judith's book
  
   
  

  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Joe geezerfreak@ wrote:
  
   Hey Curtis! We've missed you brother, and we've REALLY missed your
  exceptional writing. I forwarded your review to Judith...hope you don't
  mind!
  
  Thanks Joe. I'm glad she will read what I wrote. I was going to send her a
  more gushy thank you for the book, but my post gave her the solid props she
  deserves. 
  
   
   Isn't it funny that this book, while sealing the deal about what MMY did
  sexually, also has the effect of humanizing him, and as a result, causing us
  both to feel a new kind of sympathy for him.
  
  You nailed it. Your thoughtful posts made me want to write about how the
  book affected me. I am stuck between the feelings of seeing him as another
  conflicted dude with a high falut'n fantasy mission, trying to live up to
  his own hype, and seeing him as another religious hypocrite who placed
  impossible standards on others that he couldn't live up to. I see him as
  psychologically damaged goods. His life was many versions of weird. And I do
  believe that humans put in personal fiefdoms where they never hear no
  makes them nuts. 
  
  But Judith has given me more spin on the side of him evolving into the user
  he became rather than a straight-up narcissist con man working us all. He
  seemed to be as much of a victim of his own bullshit as I was. And who do we
  have to thank for that? An uber-oddball homeless guy who won the lottery and
  became the Hindu pope! Jai guru wh!
  
  Since Maharishi knew his holy sage routine was an act, he could have been a
  bit more real with us. But as a religious fundamentalist on a mission, I can
  see why that was impossible for him. And if enough people tell you your
  farts smell like rose petals perhaps you just believe that you are the
  chosen one eventually.
  
  I am still undecided about whether he had contempt for his followers like a
  person with a true narcissist personality disorder would have. 
  
  Judy did us a real favor with this book. The people who can't face Maharishi
  the human and would never read this are missing something much more
  intriguing on a human level than seeing him as the cartoon character poster
  boy for an over-hyped state of mind and point of view.
  
  Oh yeah and one last thing. At least we can be grateful that he gave his
  purity kingdom facade up for such a genuine stunner! I would have been very
  disappointed with another Monica! 
  
   
   
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , curtisdeltablues
  curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
   
Thought I would weigh in on Judith's book because I believe it is a
  profound contribution to understanding Maharishi. 

My first impression is that he was lucky to have it be Judith as the
  first to document one of his affairs. She is a sensitive writer and presents
  her experience with a lot of kindness to Maharishi. Judith comes off as too
  thoughtful and sincere for people to continue to challenge her veracity. She
  is for real. I can easily understand why it took her so long to process her
  feelings about this relationship. She did an excellent job with an extremely
  sensitive and personal topic. This book is a gift to all of us who knew him
  and I thank her for it.

As with Maharishi's death, the book 

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Judith's book

2010-07-14 Thread Rick Archer
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of feste37
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 3:48 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Judith's book

 

I have to disagree with part of this, although I have not read the book.
Just because a woman writes a book, it doesn't mean that what she writes is
true, although it may be. I would say that this woman's affair with MMY is
no longer a rumor but nor is it a fact, so no one can be vindicated by its
publication. It is a claim or an allegation, and I think there is a
difference. 

I haven't read it yet either, but those who have say it is very credible.
Maharishi's hand-written letters to Judith, reproduced in the book, must
increase that credibility a lot. It would be a stretch to suggest that she
forged them.



[FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Judith's book

2010-07-14 Thread nablusoss1008


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... 
wrote:

 
 I want to send some big props your way for taking a rash of heat through the 
 years on a story you were light years ahead of the pack on.  Your focus on 
 what is real and true about Maharishis over what supports personal belief 
 agendas is an inspiration.  After years of people calling you a rumor monger 
 you are finally vindicated. 

Because of what a woman who runs after Conny Larson writes ? What a joke !



RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Judith's book

2010-07-14 Thread Rick Archer
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of nablusoss1008
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 4:17 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Judith's book

 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , curtisdeltablues
curtisdeltabl...@... wrote:

 
 I want to send some big props your way for taking a rash of heat through
the years on a story you were light years ahead of the pack on. Your focus
on what is real and true about Maharishis over what supports personal belief
agendas is an inspiration. After years of people calling you a rumor monger
you are finally vindicated. 

Because of what a woman who runs after Conny Larson writes ? What a joke !

Read the book Nabbykinspie. Otherwise you don't know what you're talking
about.



[FairfieldLife] Re: US Federal Deficit Tops One Trillion Dollars

2010-07-14 Thread do.rflex

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u wg...@... wrote:

 Unfortunately GWya kind of through us conservatives under the bus with
his/their lavish spending (at least the economy was good at the time),
most EVERY Democrat went along with it too...at least the Republicans
have some modicum of fiscal accountability left. The Democrats are truly
sociopathic when it comes to spending




In truth, the only modern president who cut taxes for the middle class,
balanced the budget, created a surplus, cut the size of government,
reformed welfare, created jobs, and presided over the nation during a 
time
of unprecedented peace and prosperity was a Democrat, President Bill
Clinton http://linton5.nara.gov/WH/Accomplishments/eightyears-03.html
.
  He did this after  inheriting a recession with record deficits.




 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote:
 
  The Tea Party is listening, that is their message! In 2006
conservatives
  abandoned the Republicans at the polls because of too much spending,
not because
  the war in Iraq was going badly or Osama Bin Laden had not been
captured. Recent
  polls suggest the country wants divided government again to keep
taxing
  and spending in check. Hell, Pelosi won't even submit a budget,
much less commit
  to one. I'm sure the idea is  to run up the debt and let the
Republicans deal
  with it and take the blame.
 
 
 
  
  From: John jr_esq@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Tue, July 13, 2010 9:42:29 PM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: US Federal Deficit Tops One Trillion
Dollars
 
  Â
  I just want to repeat this over and over again. Nobody seems to be
listening.
  Maybe the repetition will create a vibration of warning for the
entire forum and
  the country as a whole.
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@
wrote:
  
   Ummm John... just now figurin' this out?
  
  
  
  
   
   From: John jr_esq@
   To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tue, July 13, 2010 3:00:17 PM
   Subject: [FairfieldLife] US Federal Deficit Tops One Trillion
Dollars
  
   ÂÂ
   Both major parties are to blame for this financial fiasco. In the
end, we as
   taxpayers will pay for this huge bill. If not, future generations
of Americans
 
   will pay for it if the country is still existing by then.
  
   http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100713/ap_on_bi_ge/us_budget_deficit
  
 




[FairfieldLife] Re: US Federal Deficit Tops One Trillion Dollars

2010-07-14 Thread WillyTex
do.rflex:
 To suggest that the New Deal did not help, and
 maybe made it worse, is appalling...

As far as rhetoric is concerned, the revival of
the old-time religion is most evident in Europe,
where officials seem to be getting their talking
points from the collected speeches of Herbert
Hoover, up to and including the claim that raising
taxes and cutting spending will actually expand
the economy, by improving business confidence...

Read more:

Bhairitu:
 So Krugman finally wakes up:

'Krugman: The Third Depression' http://tinyurl.com/24u7tco
New York Times, June 28, 2010


FairfieldLife/message/250806 http://tinyurl.com/238ya37





[FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Judith's book

2010-07-14 Thread nablusoss1008


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote:

 From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
 On Behalf Of nablusoss1008
 Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 4:17 PM
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Judith's book
 
  
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , curtisdeltablues
 curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
 
  
  I want to send some big props your way for taking a rash of heat through
 the years on a story you were light years ahead of the pack on. Your focus
 on what is real and true about Maharishis over what supports personal belief
 agendas is an inspiration. After years of people calling you a rumor monger
 you are finally vindicated. 
 
 Because of what a woman who runs after Conny Larson writes ? What a joke !
 
 Read the book Nabbykinspie. Otherwise you don't know what you're talking
 about.

I know she runs after Conny Larson, that says all about her credibility,



RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Judith's book

2010-07-14 Thread Rick Archer
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of nablusoss1008
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 5:31 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Judith's book

 

 Because of what a woman who runs after Conny Larson writes ? What a joke !
 
 Read the book Nabbykinspie. Otherwise you don't know what you're talking
 about.

I know she runs after Conny Larson, that says all about her credibility.

As I understand it they are friends, and have been through similar
experiences with gurus. I suppose you don't like Conny because he's a Sai
Baba critic. You're on pretty thin ice with that one, bub.



[FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Judith's book

2010-07-14 Thread nablusoss1008


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote:

 From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
 On Behalf Of nablusoss1008
 Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 5:31 PM
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Judith's book
 
  
 
  Because of what a woman who runs after Conny Larson writes ? What a joke !
  
  Read the book Nabbykinspie. Otherwise you don't know what you're talking
  about.
 
 I know she runs after Conny Larson, that says all about her credibility.
 
 As I understand it they are friends, and have been through similar
 experiences with gurus. I suppose you don't like Conny because he's a Sai
 Baba critic. You're on pretty thin ice with that one, bub.


Kinspie, now bub - what will be the next ?

As many have described here CL is a very disturbed person having been sexually 
abused from a very young age, according to himself. 
But for you anything goes and anyone will be a truthful witness as long as is a 
seedy rumor. You're not just an idiot, you're totally naive.



[FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Judith's book

2010-07-14 Thread WillyTex


feste37:
 I have to disagree with part of this, although I 
 have not read the book. Just because a woman writes 
 a book, it doesn't mean that what she writes is 
 true, although it may be. I would say that this 
 woman's affair with MMY is no longer a rumor but 
 nor is it a fact, so no one can be vindicated by 
 its publication. It is a claim or an allegation, 
 and I think there is a difference. 
 
It will be interesting to read what Connie Larsson
has to say about Judith and her book. Apparently
they are both into the same 'screw the guru', and 
then write a book about it. Apparently Connie and
Judith have been playing this game for years, with 
various gurus. The question is, why would Judith 
want to blow the Maha and why would Connie want to 
get blowed by the Baba?



RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Judith's book

2010-07-14 Thread Rick Archer
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of nablusoss1008
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 5:56 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Judith's book

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer r...@... wrote:

 From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com ]
 On Behalf Of nablusoss1008
 Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 5:31 PM
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com

 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Judith's book
 
 
 
  Because of what a woman who runs after Conny Larson writes ? What a joke
!
  
  Read the book Nabbykinspie. Otherwise you don't know what you're talking
  about.
 
 I know she runs after Conny Larson, that says all about her credibility.
 
 As I understand it they are friends, and have been through similar
 experiences with gurus. I suppose you don't like Conny because he's a Sai
 Baba critic. You're on pretty thin ice with that one, bub.

Kinspie, now bub - what will be the next ?

Snookums?

As many have described here CL is a very disturbed person having been
sexually abused from a very young age, according to himself. 
But for you anything goes and anyone will be a truthful witness as long as
is a seedy rumor. You're not just an idiot, you're totally naive.

There's a pot/kettle blackness situation for you.



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US Federal Deficit Tops One Trillion Dollars

2010-07-14 Thread Bhairitu
seekliberation wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote:
   
 Don't forget people were marketed loans and spending.  Remember the 
 George Dumbfuck Bush  told people to go shopping after 9-11.  The 
 banksters were lending out 33 dollars for every one they actually had in 
 the bank.  They should have told people wanting mortgages that the house 
 they wanted to buy was overpriced and denied them the loan that way.  
 Greed is the monster.
 

 Yes, the banks are part to blame in the whole mess, and greed is the 
 monster.but it's also greed that makes a person dumb enough to buy into 
 the idea of purchasing a home or taking a huge loan despite the fact they 
 don't have the income to pay it off.  I never fell for anything like that, 
 and I know others who didn't.  Basically,  if you're going to be dumb enough 
 to buy something bogus, there will never be a shortage of those who are 
 willing to sell.

 seekliberation

Hey a lot of people 5-6 years ago had jobs they never even dreamed would 
go away.   Back then you when asked by one of these people you might 
have even said go for it when it came to buying a house. And many 
could afford the house but then they made the mistake of taking out an 
LOC on it and turning it into a cash machine.  That's why a lot of 
people are underwater.

But philosophically the problem goes deeper.  I truly believe that the 
wealthy old families of Europe truly do not like the masses owning 
property.  They have schemed for centuries to get their hands on what 
property the masses had.  Yup, it's a conspiracy but not a theory.  I 
truly think they want to crash the economy to buy property for pennies 
on the dollar.  And tell me why can't someone whose in trouble do a deal 
with the bank to reduce the principal?  Some people have been able to do 
that.  Many of the banks would prefer the house to go through 
foreclosure as they make more money that way rather than work something 
out. I think that stinks and is why the people should rise up and 
lynch the bankers.  They are nothing more than crooks.




[FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Judith's book

2010-07-14 Thread Joe
You know Judith runs after Conny? How on earth did you come up with that idea?



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote:
 
  From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
  On Behalf Of nablusoss1008
  Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 4:17 PM
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Judith's book
  
   
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , curtisdeltablues
  curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
  
   
   I want to send some big props your way for taking a rash of heat through
  the years on a story you were light years ahead of the pack on. Your focus
  on what is real and true about Maharishis over what supports personal belief
  agendas is an inspiration. After years of people calling you a rumor monger
  you are finally vindicated. 
  
  Because of what a woman who runs after Conny Larson writes ? What a joke !
  
  Read the book Nabbykinspie. Otherwise you don't know what you're talking
  about.
 
 I know she runs after Conny Larson, that says all about her credibility,





Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Judith's book

2010-07-14 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Jul 14, 2010, at 2:38 PM, Rick Archer wrote:

 I enjoyed the review, too. Thanks for 
 going to the trouble.
 
 So, the book was well-written? I was 
 wondering. It makes a difference.
 
 Is the book stocked at Revelations 
 bookstore in Fairfield?

 I doubt it. A big chunk of their business consists of true blue ru’s. I 
 doubt they’d want to stock it. But the Fairfield Public Library will get one.

Good!  And then I'll read it.  I'm simply too cheap to
buy one otherwise.

Sal the cheapskate

Hey Curtis!   I second the welcome-back.  
(Cue John Sebastian here...)  Glad to see 
you name again in these-here parts.

Sal





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[FairfieldLife] Post Count

2010-07-14 Thread FFL PostCount
Fairfield Life Post Counter
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Start Date (UTC): Sat Jul 10 00:00:00 2010
End Date (UTC): Sat Jul 17 00:00:00 2010
458 messages as of (UTC) Thu Jul 15 00:05:21 2010

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49 Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com
45 authfriend jst...@panix.com
39 TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com
34 WillyTex willy...@yahoo.com
28 Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net
25 nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
18 Vaj vajradh...@earthlink.net
18 John jr_...@yahoo.com
16 ditzyklanmail carc...@yahoo.co.in
15 Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com
15 do.rflex do.rf...@yahoo.com
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 5 emptybill emptyb...@yahoo.com
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 4 Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com
 3 seekliberation seekliberat...@yahoo.com
 3 randyanand ra...@rocketmail.com
 3 jpgillam jpgil...@yahoo.com
 3 Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@lisco.com
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[FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Judith's book

2010-07-14 Thread curtisdeltablues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote:

 Hey Curtis!   I second the welcome-back.  
 (Cue John Sebastian here...)  Glad to see 
 you name again in these-here parts.
 
 Sal

Hey Sal,

Thanks for the welcome.  I am on a limited engagement run here focused on this 
topic.  Being a big library user myself, I understand your waiting for it 
there.  See if they will put it on hold for you as they do here.  You'll dig it 
for sure.




 On Jul 14, 2010, at 2:38 PM, Rick Archer wrote:
 
  I enjoyed the review, too. Thanks for 
  going to the trouble.
  
  So, the book was well-written? I was 
  wondering. It makes a difference.
  
  Is the book stocked at Revelations 
  bookstore in Fairfield?
 
  I doubt it. A big chunk of their business consists of true blue ru's. I 
  doubt they'd want to stock it. But the Fairfield Public Library will get 
  one.
 
 Good!  And then I'll read it.  I'm simply too cheap to
 buy one otherwise.
 
 Sal the cheapskate
 
 Hey Curtis!   I second the welcome-back.  
 (Cue John Sebastian here...)  Glad to see 
 you name again in these-here parts.
 
 Sal





[FairfieldLife] Fwd: Moving Sale This Saturday, 9 am to 1 pm

2010-07-14 Thread Dick Mays

Fwd from a friend of a friend:

INSIDE MOVING SALE !

The house is sold, and I have to be out! Selling just about everything.

This Saturday ONLY, July 17, 9 A.M. to 1 P.M.
No earlies, please.

703 E. Burlington Avenue, Fairfield  Please park on Maple Street 
around the corner and walk to front door.


Brand New High-Quality Dark Bamboo Flooring, cost $700,
  selling for $350

Italian Dining-Room Chairs

Round Pedestal Dining-Table
 (floor-length table cloth and topper included)

Queen-sized Platform bed with foam

Big mirrors

9x12 hooked rug, ecru, red, black, yellow (needs a good steam cleaning)
with underlay

Jewelry

Vedic posters

Spiritual books

Like new kerosene heaters, fans and some not so new

Computer accessories

Flat screen TV, TV Stand

Ladders, Extension and Other

Lamps

Mobiles

Lawn Mower etc.

Shark Steam Cleaner, one for floors and one for counters, etc.

Much Miscellaneous



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David's large abstract color paintings evoke the light and mood of 
the inner and outer landscape. David's works are in many museums, 
private collections and corporations, and can be seen at galleries in 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count

2010-07-14 Thread Alex Stanley


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FFL PostCount ffl.postco...@... wrote:

 Fairfield Life Post Counter
 ===
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 End Date (UTC): Sat Jul 17 00:00:00 2010
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 51 Joe geezerfr...@...

Ruh-roh. I guess that's buh-bye until the evening of Friday July 23.



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Most important marriage criterion for Indians: skin color

2010-07-14 Thread ditzyklanmail
Hahaha! Same expression. 
 The place behind him looks like a restaurant in Brooklynn, Williamsburg, NY. 






From: TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 14 July, 2010 10:28:18 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Most important marriage criterion for Indians: 
skin 
color

  
--- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, ditzyklanmail carc...@... wrote:

 Funny that you mention this!  I was looking at a photo of an Indian friend on 
 FB. He was pretty dark, like a tropical brown tan.  The picture, lol, looked 
 like technicolor!  I had to look at it for a long time, because I do not 
 remember the person being so light when I visited him in person. Hhaahaha. 
 Now this explains it.
 Thanks for posting!

Doesn't it make ya wonder what this Facebook app would do to Krishna's 
profile photo if he used it? He'd end up looking like this guy.  :-)



  _ _ __
 From: TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroup s.com
 To: FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com
 Sent: Wed, 14 July, 2010 3:13:11 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Most important marriage criterion for Indians: skin 
 color
 
 
 Go figure. Not caste, not wealth, not a compatible Jyotish chart. Lightness 
 of 

 skin color. So much so that there is now an app for Facebook India that will 
 make users' skin in profile photos look lighter. This is Sat Yuga?
 
 
 
 Vaseline launches skin-whitening Facebook app for  India
 NEW DELHI (AFP) † Skincare group Vaseline has introduced a skin-lightening 
 application for Facebook in India, enabling users to  make their faces whiter 
in 

 their profile pictures.
 The download is designed to promote Vaseline's range of skin-lightening  
 creams 

 for men, a huge and fast-growing market driven by fashion and a  cultural 
 preference for fairer skin.
 The widget promises to Transform Your Face On Facebook With Vaseline  Men 
 in 
a 

 campaign fronted by Bollywood actor Shahid Kapur, who is  depicted with his 
face 

 divided into dark and fair halves.
 We started campaign  advertising (for the application) from the second week 
 of 

 June  and the response has been pretty phenomenal, Pankaj Parihar from 
 global 

 advertising firm Omnicom, which designed  the campaign, told AFP.
 Indian cosmetics giant Emami launched the first skin-whitening cream for men 
 in 

 2005,  called Fair and Handsome and advertised by Bollywood superstar 
Shahrukh 

 Khan. It came  27 years after the first cream for women.
 Since then a half dozen foreign brands have piled into the male market, 
 including Garnier, L'Oreal and Nivea, which promote the seemingly  magical 
 lightening qualities of their products in ubiquitous  advertising.
 In 2009, a poll of nearly 12,000 people by online dating site Shaadi.com, 
 revealed that skin tone was considered the most important criteria when 
 choosing a partner in three northern Indian states.
 More and more, there's an anxiety in the mind of men about having fair  
 skin, 

 sociology professor T. K. Oommen at the Jawaharlal Nehru University in New 
Delhi 

 told AFP.
 Indians believe that if you have fair skin you belong to the higher  caste, 
the 

 Brahmins,  he added, explaining that a succession of light-skinned 
 colonisers 

 in India reinforced the  association of fairness with power.
 The Aryans, who  came from central Asia,  in addition to the Portuguese, the 
 French and the British colonisers  ruled over the country and probably 
 contributed to this negative  perception of dark-skin.


 



[FairfieldLife] 'Article on Recent Solar Eclipse'

2010-07-14 Thread Robert
My Experience of our Recent Eclipse
Published on July 13th, 2010 | Posted by Jim Sher
Tagged: Neptune, Solar Eclipse, Uranus, Venus
It’s fun, and hopefully helpful, to sometimes write about how I am experiencing 
the transits about which I write. It gives the reader some idea of who I am as 
well as a chance to hear first-hand what a particular transit is doing. But 
this article goes beyond that, because the way I have experienced the most 
recent Solar eclipse gives me a chance to explain a principle in astrology that 
can illuminate you to something that links us with our past and future in a 
significant and profound way.
Astrology is best understood in terms of cycles, rather than regarding events 
as individual and isolated moments that are not connected to anything. 
Sometimes it is difficult to see these cycles operating, but one of the ways we 
can do so is when we are able to connect the transits occurring at present with 
previous cycles. Perhaps, I can describe this better by giving a specific 
example.
My natal Venus is 20° Cancer, which means that the recent Solar eclipse, was in 
close conjunction with that planet in my birth chart. I know that most of us 
think of Venus as an indicator of love and relationships, which is certainly 
true. But Venus is more than that. It rules our sense of the aesthetic and the 
way in which art, music, design, etc., connect us with the divine principles 
operating in the universe. Gurdjieff referred to this principle as “objective 
art.” This form of art is designed consciously by the artist to create a 
specific effect in the observer that speaks to not only the mind, but to the 
heart as well. It can even help us integrate the two, allowing us to experience 
something that takes us into new territories as we can apprehend something that 
speaks to our Soul, rather than to mere parts of our being.
In astrology, I often look for what I call ’sensitive points.’ Today’s article 
is about this. A sensitive point is created in more than one way, but the one 
that applies to the recent eclipse is a very significant transit that occurred 
in 1993. I am referring to the conjunction of Uranus and Neptune, which last 
occurred in 1993. Its location was in the area of 20° of Capricorn. This means 
that the recent eclipse was in exact opposition to the newly born cycle of 
Uranus and Neptune that happened 17 years ago. This conjunction only occurs 
every 160-170 years, so it is very rare. Many generations can pass by without 
anyone experiencing this new birth or ‘renaissance’. The one word that best 
describes the meaning and effects of this conjunction is the word 
‘Renaissance.’ By the way, the previous conjunction before the one in 1993 
occurred in 1821 at 3° of Capricorn, which is also being activated by the 
present transits in the early degrees
 of the cardinal signs (Jupiter, Uranus, Saturn and Pluto).
Back in 1993, I was very aware of this conjunction and since it was opposing my 
Venus, I suspected I might be in store for some big changes in my 
relationships. This did not happen and I often asked myself what had happened. 
Why didn’t anything more obvious or noticeable happen? Well, one thing did 
happen, but it didn’t seem to be significant. I began taking harp lessons which 
I continued for about 6 years until I could play in front of people and have 
some fun. I was learning to play on a beautiful Dusty Strings harp that was 
perfectly made for Celtic and ‘troubadour’ music. I really enjoyed this, but 
still I wondered why something bigger didn’t occur. I knew that conjunctions 
mark beginnings so it can often be that the full importance of the new cycle 
isn’t revealed until later, which turned out to be the case for me.
Well, a Solar eclipse is exactly one of those periods where the ’seed’ that was 
planted at the earlier conjunction 17 years ago can begin to come to some sort 
of fruition. I know that this is exactly what is happening to me now. The 
realizations I’m writing about in this article have only come to me in the last 
few weeks or so, although it feels like I’ve understood it for a long time. 
More specifically, what I’ve been focused on the last few months has been the 
reading of three books by Kathleen McGowan. Her books have covered many things, 
including the hidden role of women in history over the past 2,000 years, the 
nature of the Divine Feminine and the possibility of  ’sacred marriage’ 
(hierosgamos) and finally she presents a revision of the life of Jesus and his 
relationship with Mary Magdalene. To me, she goes way beyond the silly book by 
Dan Brown called “The Da Vinci Code.” She did a far better job of imagining a 
new scenario
 for what early Christianity might have looked like and connected it with 
aspects of early Christianity that Brown simply didn’t understand. In her third 
book, called “The Poet Prince,” she examines the historical period of the 
1400’s in Florence, Italy, when there was a tremendous outpouring 

[FairfieldLife] 'Transformation Now!...'

2010-07-14 Thread Robert
Wednesday, July 14, 2010



Your Powers Are Returning...Exponentially! -the Spiritual Hierarchy 


Collectively, your planet has reached a critical crux of magnificent 
opportunity both for the masses, as well as for those who have consciously 
risen with the new sun. 

Way-showers of earth... your moment of power is now. 

The new solar codes that have been activated through the gateway portal of the 
lunar to solar eclipses are now fully integrating in the lives and bodies of 
awakened souls everywhere. The realization of this momentous event can be 
heralded through your subtle, but growing ability to stabilize in these 
incoming and unprecedented frequencies as you find the increasing capacity to 
remain in a state of emotional calm, despite the intensity that surrounds you 
at this time.

You may even be noticing that events on earth suddenly seem very far away, 
almost at a distance comparable to a past time by which you are only observing 
as if in a movie of your own life. To this we confirm that YES, there is in 
fact great distance now between you and the timeline of past cause and effect 
creation.

Let us explain:

In the making of a divine world, you who are in tune with and aware of your 
roles that many have termed...lightworkers and starseeds...you have a knowing 
of things that others do not. It is not as though those around you unable to 
know, only that they are not yet prepared on a soul level to activate to these 
higher-level frequencies. The reason for this disparateness is as we have 
explained over the passing years...that there is a group of souls here to usher 
in the era of peace...to anchor the pillars, and in doing so, make the coming 
world possible for all to experience.

In this deeply embedded quest for light, those of you who have been the grid 
anchors, divining rods and bridge builders have had an immeasurable amount of 
karmic energy to sort through.  With much other-worldly experience, you have 
had the role of expunging, cleansing and filtering the outworn energies from 
the earth's grid and ley lines so that new energies could replace the old and 
so all others could experience the infusion of new light through a greater 
expansion of love.

On your journeys, you have experienced much...you have released much...you have 
realized much...and you have begun to recognize your divinity in ways that 
others will begin to marvel at. You will remember things of your human history 
that will support the building of a new world and you will come to a place of 
comfort and confidence within yourself that you have never experienced in your 
human journey.

This comfort results from the reuniting of your internal twin flame, your 
omnipresent god-self with your created human-self, the absolute divination that 
you were promised at the start of your selfless travails and in service to the 
One.

Surely we will have more to share on the effects of this in the coming days.


From Warrior to Creator

What is most important that you realize through the opening of these powerful 
celestial gateways is that your role as warrior has definitively expired. In 
truth, you retired from this role many gateways ago, yet many of you are still 
shedding those skins in search of your new ones. 

Beloved counterparts, we say to you specificallyrelease yourselves fully 
into the bosom of divine creation now, for you no longer have a need to fight 
for your countenance...countenance is securely upon you.

To all wayshowers preparing to step over the line of demarcation into full 
embodied truth, we on this side of the thinning veil dance in the absolute 
magnificence of what you've accomplished and what you are about to experience. 
To say that your life is about to change is an understatement, for only your 
imagination could dream up what you have planned for yourselves!


Gladiators of the Next Wave

The next wave of souls that are awakening to greater reality constructs have 
been triggered on a soul-genetic level through the activation portal between 
the grand cross alignment (that occurred on the full moon/lunar eclipse on June 
26th) and the total solar eclipse (this past Sunday, July 11th).

Know that all of life is forever changed through this transformational 
gateway.  Many of you consciously entered this portal with what was, but are 
emerging with what IS. As you wipe the sleep from your eyes, you will notice 
that much has changed in your perceptual landscape and even those around you 
will respond to you in different ways.  

The new wave will be participating in this grand cosmic creation more as 
gladiators than warriors...defending, protecting  fighting for the rise of 
consciousness as great institutions continue to dismantle and restructure to 
integrity based systems. These souls will be well versed in the workings of new 
energy and will see to it that the higher ways of being and coexisting in 
collaboration, love and respect for the planet, are seen and heard by those 

[FairfieldLife] New Syfy series, Haven - Friday, July 16 at 10 PM

2010-07-14 Thread Yifu Xero
From The Week, 7-16-10:

Based on Stephen King's The Colorado Kid, this new series centers on an FBI 
agent in a town whose residents have supernatural powers.  Emily rose stars.  
Friday, July 16, at 10 PM, Syfy.


  

Re: [FairfieldLife] New Syfy series, Haven - Friday, July 16 at 10 PM

2010-07-14 Thread Bhairitu
Yifu Xero wrote:
 From The Week, 7-16-10:

 Based on Stephen King's The Colorado Kid, this new series centers on an 
 FBI 
 agent in a town whose residents have supernatural powers.  Emily rose stars.  
 Friday, July 16, at 10 PM, Syfy.
It debuted last Friday.  We'll see if it hits it's stride as the pilot was a 
little shaky.  Rose appeared in John from Cincinnati and Jericho. Reminded 
me of a mix of In Plain Site and Eureka.







[FairfieldLife] Sudarsha's testimony

2010-07-14 Thread Yifu Xero
from the TM free blog.: (a typical Knappian type of history)
(I'm waaayyy to suspicious to get suckered like that.)
 
Sudarsha
* Location: Canada 
About Me
I learnt TM in 1968 and became a teacher in 1970. I was one of Mahesh's 
secretaries from 1972 until 1974 when Mahesh sent me to India to teach SCI. 
While one of his secretaries, I helped create the SCI course and helped train 
1,500 teachers at La Antilla. Mahesh also trained me to be an M Group 
initiator (one who teaches TM to Monks, Nuns, religious brothers and other 
ecclesiastical individuals). He also taught me the special techniques to 
ameliorate the effects of heavy unstressing, over-eating and 
alcohol/tobacco/drug abuse. I learnt all the advanced techniques, Age of 
Enlightenment as well as the 'sidhi' program from him as well. But learning all 
this, practising all this and observing Mahesh and his minions is only one part 
of the story. The other part is Mahesh's craving, lust and motivation for the 
accumulation of money, power and recognition. My conclusion: TM (2x20) may be 
useful to some people. BUT getting tempted into the full offerings of the TM 
organization can be and much too often has been financially as well as mentally 
disastrous for some people.
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