[FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Judith's book
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: Thought I would weigh in on Judith's book because I believe it is a profound contribution to understanding Maharishi. And I'm going to riff on some of Curtis' insights, because like Rick I think they're incredibly well written, and provide a similar contribution. It sure would have helped me when I was under his brahmachari instructions to know that even the great Maharishi was tormented and couldn't control the mighty dhoti dolphin. That this conflict wasn't due to MY lack of focus on my energy going up. (The Catholic Church just called and wants its sex-guilt-teaching back.) Ignoring the infinitely chuckle-able phrase dhoti dolphin, which made me spit out my papaya juice when first reading it, this is just spot-on. MMY's whole *act*, in retrospect, was to hold others to a level of supposed perfection that he not only did not live in his own life, but that he did not even *try* to live in his own life. The one thing that these stories reveal from Judith's book reveal more than anything else is the level of *self* dishonesty at work in the man. And we wonder sometimes, when we see that same level of self dishonesty in his stu- dents, Where does that come from? Duh. His inner conflicts, revealed in his discussing with Judith how his energy was going down because of his banging her, shows him as a religious zealot who was tormented Jerry Falwell style by his own antiquated beliefs. Among them his incredibly prudish and in-the-Shankara- tradition putdowns of women in general. Like it was Judith's fault that he's a little fagged out after a shag. Then he pats the bed beside him inviting her once again to play Gopi to his Krishna. Woman maligned as Eve the temptress is one of the shittiest implied messages religion peddles! Indeed it is. Again, we have seen this 'tude expressed here many times, from BillyG and JohnR and others. And some have wondered where it came from. Duh. I believe that people who live in this kind of atmosphere of reverence lose their brain's checks and balances between parts of the brain that usually controls our impulses. What surprises me a little is the extent to which some of these checks and balances are being ignored in all of this discussion. I mean, we've got Judy and Raunchy, avowed feminists, going out of their way to try to come up with some way to describe Maharishi's actions as minor or inconsequential. So far, all of their con- cern has been for *Maharishi* and his rep. Not one word of concern that I've noticed for the women. Some feminists. I'd be a little more impressed if either of them could step up to the plate and take a swing at the power differential issues and the abuse of trust issues going down in Maharishi's actions. But seemingly they can't. The atmosphere of reverence that Curtis speaks of is still in effect, preventing any concern except for the person to whom they've been taught that reverence is due. Maharishi comes off in the book as somewhat kinder to Judith than some rockstars might have been. But in the end,the roady still throws her bags off the bus. Which should surprise no one, given the way he treated male students he was dumping. Like Jerry, or Domash, or Chopra, or anyone he wrote out of his life and had the roadies kick off the bus when they no longer served his purposes. Even I made the right choices with women many times as Center Chairman because I believed in my responsibility so much. I put the teaching above my personal desires. It doesn't take that much sensitivity or decency to NOT exploit vulnerability. This is the kicker in my opinion, and the reason I am so shocked to find that Edg Duveyoung felt the need to turn his reaction to what Curtis wrote into yet one more re-run of his fantasies about me. To this day, despite being told by pretty much everyone on this forum *including* Judy Stein that his original meltdown over me being a sexual predator was nothing more than his own fantasy projected onto me, he has never shown balls enough to apologize for it. His dia- tribe was unjustified when it first began, and his insistence on perpetuating it is even less so. Like Curtis, I could have abused *my* limited position of power in the TM movement many times to get laid. And I did have some sex while in the TMO, *but only with fellow TM teachers*. Never with students. That was just not an option, and so *obviously* not an option that I am frankly amazed that it was for Maharishi. Edg's rants about being a sexual predator, preying on naive young women, does not and has never applied to me. This is completely Edg's fantasy, all based, seemingly, on me using (for effect) a phrase I had heard on House MD the day before, spoken by a *woman* character -- hitting that. I used the phrase because I'd never heard it before, and figured it would push prude buttons in those who have such
[FairfieldLife] Re: YFfers cool down the overheated atmosphere?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_re...@... wrote: I'm practically absolutely sure, that for instance next Saturday and Sunday temperatures shall be below 27... ;D I mean, the *highest* temperatures! :0 Well, although the Finnish forecasts (Foreca and FMI) have changed hotter, at least BBC seems to believe in the cooling effect of YFfing: http://news.bbc.co.uk/weather/forecast/2967?
[FairfieldLife] Bhoga according to YS?
According to YS IV 7 a yogii's karma is neither white (a-shukla) nor black (a-kRSNa): karmaashuklaakRSNaM yoginaH... (karma + ashukla + akRSNam) Is that perhaps based on the fact(?) that yogii-s don't have experiences (bhoga-s) in the ordinary sense of that word, because they feel the difference between sattva and puruSa? sattvapuruSayoratyantaasaMkiirNayoH pratyayaavisheSo bhogaH... (YS III 36) (sattva-puruSayoH; atyanta + asaMkiirNayoH pratyaya + a-visheSAH; bhogaH...) Taimni: Experience it the result of inability to distinguish between the PuruSa and the Sattva though they are absolutely distinct. swamij: 3.36 The having of experiences comes from a presented idea only when there is a commingling of the subtlest aspect of mind (sattva) and pure consciousness (purusha), which are really quite different. Taimni's translation of 'atyanta-asaMkiirNa' seems to be more accurate because literally it seems to mean something like 'absolutely (atyanta ati;anta) unmixable (a-saM-kiirNa)'.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Teacher-student sex: a failure to grasp the obvious
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: One of the things that dumbfounds me in the discussions here surrounding Judith Bourque's book is that I simply cannot identify with some of the things being said. A couple of days ago he said he would have to wait until after his holiday to buy and read the book. Seems the book was more important than holiday since he is ranting about this all days long. As the americans says: Go figure !
[FairfieldLife] Guess who! ; )
In clean and cool crystalline halls he engaged himself continuously in all forms of amorous indulgences with these charming and responsive women... - Besides, he studied during this time the Sutras that the sage Vatsyayana had made on this subject together with all the commentaries on the same, and also produced a new work of great profundity on the theme, bearing the name of beep. Do you know or can you guess who he is?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Teacher-student sex: a failure to grasp the obvious
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I still haven't read the book, Nabby. I am dumb- founded by some of the things being said here on FFL or on the TM-Free Blog or a couple of other sites *about* the book. So you're active on 4 forums/sites regarding TM. Seems you are very busy dwelling on a part of your life that happened more than 30 years ago. Almost as if you are at it full-time. Yet you claim to have moved on. Yeah, right !
[FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Judith's book
Joe: You know Judith runs after Conny? How on earth did you come up with that idea? You didn't know that Judith and Connie were running after Sai Baba together? So, I wonder why Judith didn't tell you about that in her book? It seems like that would have been important to note, if Connie and the Sai Baba were doing it, with Judith watching them, right? Do you suppose Judith and Connie got together and compared notes about how to screw the guru? Apparently Judith is a student of Connie's and took lessons from him. Together they really screwed over the Maha and the Baba! That's what he/she said. Read more: 'God's Little Clown' By Connie Larsson
[FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Judith's book
...the Fairfield Public Library will get one. Sal: Good! And then I'll read it. What? You don't want to pay out any more money to learn about the Maha? I'm simply too cheap to buy one otherwise. So you're obsessed with the Maha's private sex life? When you go to the library you might want to wear a face mask so the librarians don't see your face. While you are at the library, why not check out a copy of 'Lady Chatterly's Lover'. LOL! Sal the cheapskate Well, fer sure you won't be hiring Judith for any exit counseling - she charges at least $100 an hour for 'psychic trance' sessions! Hey Curtis! I second the welcome-back. (Cue John Sebastian here...) Glad to see you name again in these-here parts. Curtis is back - he read Judith's book, so I guess the Maha was much more to Curtis than I thought. I can't believe the guy is STILL paying out money for TM! Talk about being in a long-term trance induction state!
[FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Judith's book
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: Well, fer sure you won't be hiring Judith for any exit counseling - she charges at least $100 an hour for 'psychic trance' sessions! Did she write the book in a state of psychic trance also ?
[FairfieldLife] The Maharishi's Personality Disorders, was Teacher-student sex
On Jul 15, 2010, at 7:43 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: So, unlike some who have read the book and feel more compassion or understanding for Maharishi, I read what they have said on these forums and feel less. How could something so obvious not have been obvious to him? Some people have commented that Mahesh may fit the profile for Narcissistic Personality Disorder. And of course the thing about personality disorders, is they often occur in clusters with other personality disorders. Of the remaining 'believers' in Maheshism, several I've heard on the list would certainly raise an eyebrow for personality disorder issues themselves. So perhaps they are blinded to it in others? To them Mahesh seems normal. The World Health Organization's ICD-10 lists narcissistic personality disorder under (F60.8) Other specific personality disorders.[16] It is a requirement of ICD-10 that a diagnosis of any specific personality disorder also satisfies a set of general personality disorder criteria. Diagnostic criteria (DSM-IV): The essential feature of Narcissistic Personality Disorder is a pervasive pattern of grandiosity (either in fantasy or actual behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy that begins by early adulthood and is present in a variety of situations and environments. In order for a person to be diagnosed with narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) they must meet five or more of the following symptoms: Has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements) Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love Believes that he or she is special and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions) Requires excessive admiration Has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations Is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends Lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others Is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her Shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes. Interesting subtypes of NPD are: Any individual narcissist may exhibit none or one of the following: unprincipled narcissist - including antisocial features. A charlatan - is a fraudulent, exploitative, deceptive and unscrupulous individual. amorous narcissist - including histrionic features. The Don Juan of our times - is erotic, exhibitionist. compensatory narcissist - including negativistic (passive- aggressive), avoidant features. elitist narcissist - variant of pure pattern. Corresponds to Wilhelm Reich's phallic narcissistic personality type. fanatic type - including paranoid features. A severely narcissistically wounded individual, usually with major paranoid tendencies who holds onto an illusion of omnipotence.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi's Personality Disorders, was Teacher-student sex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: Excellent! Hard for me to get around how apt these descriptions seem. On Jul 15, 2010, at 7:43 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: So, unlike some who have read the book and feel more compassion or understanding for Maharishi, I read what they have said on these forums and feel less. How could something so obvious not have been obvious to him? Some people have commented that Mahesh may fit the profile for Narcissistic Personality Disorder. And of course the thing about personality disorders, is they often occur in clusters with other personality disorders. Of the remaining 'believers' in Maheshism, several I've heard on the list would certainly raise an eyebrow for personality disorder issues themselves. So perhaps they are blinded to it in others? To them Mahesh seems normal. The World Health Organization's ICD-10 lists narcissistic personality disorder under (F60.8) Other specific personality disorders.[16] It is a requirement of ICD-10 that a diagnosis of any specific personality disorder also satisfies a set of general personality disorder criteria. Diagnostic criteria (DSM-IV): The essential feature of Narcissistic Personality Disorder is a pervasive pattern of grandiosity (either in fantasy or actual behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy that begins by early adulthood and is present in a variety of situations and environments. In order for a person to be diagnosed with narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) they must meet five or more of the following symptoms: Has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements) Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love Believes that he or she is special and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions) Requires excessive admiration Has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations Is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends Lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others Is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her Shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes. Interesting subtypes of NPD are: Any individual narcissist may exhibit none or one of the following: unprincipled narcissist - including antisocial features. A charlatan - is a fraudulent, exploitative, deceptive and unscrupulous individual. amorous narcissist - including histrionic features. The Don Juan of our times - is erotic, exhibitionist. compensatory narcissist - including negativistic (passive- aggressive), avoidant features. elitist narcissist - variant of pure pattern. Corresponds to Wilhelm Reich's phallic narcissistic personality type. fanatic type - including paranoid features. A severely narcissistically wounded individual, usually with major paranoid tendencies who holds onto an illusion of omnipotence.
[FairfieldLife] Re: YFfers cool down the overheated atmosphere?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: I'm practically absolutely sure, that for instance next Saturday and Sunday temperatures shall be below 27... ;D I mean, the *highest* temperatures! :0 Well, although the Finnish forecasts (Foreca and FMI) have changed hotter, at least BBC seems to believe in the cooling effect of YFfing: http://news.bbc.co.uk/weather/forecast/2967? Oh shucks! Just learned there shall prolly be less than 30 participants on that course! Let's suppose about 10 of those are si(d)dhas. I'm afraid that won't be enough to create the badly needed Superradiance and Meissner effect, and cooling harmonious woo woo rays! :(
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi's Personality Disorders, was Teacher-student sex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Secrets like that form an intimate bond for the insiders and the master. I can't believe Jerry wasn't conflicted about all this happening under his nose. I beg your pardon ? How can you be sure anything particular was happening under Jerry's nose ? Because some psychic reader wrote a book ?
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi's Personality Disorders, was Teacher-student sex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Secrets like that form an intimate bond for the insiders and the master. I can't believe Jerry wasn't conflicted about all this happening under his nose. I beg your pardon ? How can you be sure anything particular was happening under Jerry's nose ? Because some psychic reader wrote a book ? And, even if Judith's book is true, how do we know that Jerry knew about it, and/or knew about it and didn't say or do anything about it. The bottom line is we don't know.
[FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Judith's book
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: Like Curtis, I could have abused *my* limited position of power in the TM movement many times to get laid. And I did have some sex while in the TMO, *but only with fellow TM teachers*. Never with students. That was just not an option, and so *obviously* not an option that I am frankly amazed that it was for Maharishi. Barry, the contrast between your treatment of women and Maharishi's demonstrates how fallibly human he was, which I would think is a point you'd want to make. You had experience with sex and relationships. Maharishi was a naif. How would he have known how to treat women? Ritam? I doubt that his father or any adult male set an example in that repressed culture. I believe you would agree that Maharishi did not summon all of his understanding from pure consciousness. Rather, he gleaned it from the world, as the rest of us do. Absent experience of sex and relationships, he was doomed to stumble and make mistakes like the 13-year-old boy he was in that regard.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi's Personality Disorders, was Teacher-student sex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, randyanand ra...@... wrote: And, even if Judith's book is true, how do we know that Jerry knew about it, and/or knew about it and didn't say or do anything about it. The bottom line is we don't know. This interpretation is not credible for me after having read the account. Jerry is not an idiot. The more credible interpretation for me is that he knew and rationalized it. YMMV --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Secrets like that form an intimate bond for the insiders and the master. I can't believe Jerry wasn't conflicted about all this happening under his nose. I beg your pardon ? How can you be sure anything particular was happening under Jerry's nose ? Because some psychic reader wrote a book ? And, even if Judith's book is true, how do we know that Jerry knew about it, and/or knew about it and didn't say or do anything about it. The bottom line is we don't know.
[FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Judith's book
Well, fer sure you won't be hiring Judith for any exit counseling - she charges at least $100 an hour for 'psychic trance' sessions! Nab: Did she write the book in a state of psychic trance also ? Under the trance state of Connie Larsson!
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Maharishi's Personality Disorders, was Teacher-student sex
Vaj wrote: On Jul 15, 2010, at 7:43 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: So, unlike some who have read the book and feel more compassion or understanding for Maharishi, I read what they have said on these forums and feel less. How could something so obvious not have been obvious to him? Some people have commented that Mahesh may fit the profile for Narcissistic Personality Disorder. And of course the thing about personality disorders, is they often occur in clusters with other personality disorders. Of the remaining 'believers' in Maheshism, several I've heard on the list would certainly raise an eyebrow for personality disorder issues themselves. So perhaps they are blinded to it in others? To them Mahesh seems normal. The World Health Organization's ICD-10 lists narcissistic personality disorder under (F60.8) Other specific personality disorders.[16] It is a requirement of ICD-10 that a diagnosis of any specific personality disorder also satisfies a set of general personality disorder criteria. Diagnostic criteria (DSM-IV): The essential feature of Narcissistic Personality Disorder is a pervasive pattern of grandiosity (either in fantasy or actual behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy that begins by early adulthood and is present in a variety of situations and environments. In order for a person to be diagnosed with narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) they must meet five or more of the following symptoms: Has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements) Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love Believes that he or she is special and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions) Requires excessive admiration Has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations Is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends Lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others Is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her Shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes. Interesting subtypes of NPD are: Any individual narcissist may exhibit none or one of the following: unprincipled narcissist - including antisocial features. A charlatan - is a fraudulent, exploitative, deceptive and unscrupulous individual. amorous narcissist - including histrionic features. The Don Juan of our times - is erotic, exhibitionist. compensatory narcissist - including negativistic (passive-aggressive), avoidant features. elitist narcissist - variant of pure pattern. Corresponds to Wilhelm Reich's phallic narcissistic personality type. fanatic type - including paranoid features. A severely narcissistically wounded individual, usually with major paranoid tendencies who holds onto an illusion of omnipotence. I would think he fits the profile of typical Indian. He wasn't of Brahmin caste so wasn't exactly raised with that catechism ruling his life. That's not to say that Brahmins might not also fall victim to their hormones. Again what Indians say and what they do are two different things. There have been many gurus who have fallen prey to their hormones. And many tantrics who despite the reputation of the practice were very upstanding about such issues.
[FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Judith's book
TurquoiseB: The person here who is stuck in thinking of women as objects to be preyed upon by older men is Edg Duveyoung. So, now it's all about Edg. Thought I would weigh in on Judith's book because I believe it is a profound contribution to understanding Maharishi. And I'm going to riff on some of Curtis' insights, because like Rick I think they're incredibly well written, and provide a similar contribution. It sure would have helped me when I was under his brahmachari instructions to know that even the great Maharishi was tormented and couldn't control the mighty dhoti dolphin. That this conflict wasn't due to MY lack of focus on my energy going up. (The Catholic Church just called and wants its sex-guilt-teaching back.) Ignoring the infinitely chuckle-able phrase dhoti dolphin, which made me spit out my papaya juice when first reading it, this is just spot-on. MMY's whole *act*, in retrospect, was to hold others to a level of supposed perfection that he not only did not live in his own life, but that he did not even *try* to live in his own life. The one thing that these stories reveal from Judith's book reveal more than anything else is the level of *self* dishonesty at work in the man. And we wonder sometimes, when we see that same level of self dishonesty in his stu- dents, Where does that come from? Duh. His inner conflicts, revealed in his discussing with Judith how his energy was going down because of his banging her, shows him as a religious zealot who was tormented Jerry Falwell style by his own antiquated beliefs. Among them his incredibly prudish and in-the-Shankara- tradition putdowns of women in general. Like it was Judith's fault that he's a little fagged out after a shag. Then he pats the bed beside him inviting her once again to play Gopi to his Krishna. Woman maligned as Eve the temptress is one of the shittiest implied messages religion peddles! Indeed it is. Again, we have seen this 'tude expressed here many times, from BillyG and JohnR and others. And some have wondered where it came from. Duh. I believe that people who live in this kind of atmosphere of reverence lose their brain's checks and balances between parts of the brain that usually controls our impulses. What surprises me a little is the extent to which some of these checks and balances are being ignored in all of this discussion. I mean, we've got Judy and Raunchy, avowed feminists, going out of their way to try to come up with some way to describe Maharishi's actions as minor or inconsequential. So far, all of their con- cern has been for *Maharishi* and his rep. Not one word of concern that I've noticed for the women. Some feminists. I'd be a little more impressed if either of them could step up to the plate and take a swing at the power differential issues and the abuse of trust issues going down in Maharishi's actions. But seemingly they can't. The atmosphere of reverence that Curtis speaks of is still in effect, preventing any concern except for the person to whom they've been taught that reverence is due. Maharishi comes off in the book as somewhat kinder to Judith than some rockstars might have been. But in the end,the roady still throws her bags off the bus. Which should surprise no one, given the way he treated male students he was dumping. Like Jerry, or Domash, or Chopra, or anyone he wrote out of his life and had the roadies kick off the bus when they no longer served his purposes. Even I made the right choices with women many times as Center Chairman because I believed in my responsibility so much. I put the teaching above my personal desires. It doesn't take that much sensitivity or decency to NOT exploit vulnerability. This is the kicker in my opinion, and the reason I am so shocked to find that Edg Duveyoung felt the need to turn his reaction to what Curtis wrote into yet one more re-run of his fantasies about me. To this day, despite being told by pretty much everyone on this forum *including* Judy Stein that his original meltdown over me being a sexual predator was nothing more than his own fantasy projected onto me, he has never shown balls enough to apologize for it. His dia- tribe was unjustified when it first began, and his insistence on perpetuating it is even less so. Like Curtis, I could have abused *my* limited position of power in the TM movement many times to get laid. And I did have some sex while in the TMO, *but only with fellow TM teachers*. Never with students. That was just not an option, and so *obviously* not an option that I am frankly amazed that it was for Maharishi. Edg's rants about being a sexual predator, preying on naive young women, does not and has never applied to me. This is completely Edg's fantasy, all based, seemingly, on me using (for effect) a phrase I had heard on House MD the day
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi's Personality Disorders, was Teacher-student sex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, randyanand ra...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Secrets like that form an intimate bond for the insiders and the master. I can't believe Jerry wasn't conflicted about all this happening under his nose. I beg your pardon ? How can you be sure anything particular was happening under Jerry's nose ? Because some psychic reader wrote a book ? And, even if Judith's book is true, how do we know that Jerry knew about it, and/or knew about it and didn't say or do anything about it. The bottom line is we don't know. Exactly. In any instance of a Kiss and Tell book when it comes to the intimate details of pillow talk, it amounts to he said, she said, except Maharishi ain't saying, nor can he. He may have had a roll in the hay with Judith and others, but I don't know that for sure and it would make no difference to my love of the TM practice if I did. Leave the dead guy alone unless you have and interest in salacious gossip, and yet, another excuse to psychoanalyze and bash Maharishi.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi's Personality Disorders, was Teacher-student sex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: Exactly. In any instance of a Kiss and Tell book when it comes to the intimate details of pillow talk, it amounts to he said, she said, except Maharishi ain't saying, nor can he. He may have had a roll in the hay with Judith and others, but I don't know that for sure I agree. We each need to evaluate the credibility of Judith's statements if we want to express an informed opinion on this. But we can know to whatever standards we personally maintain about credibility and assign the probability of the account being accurate. We are not in a position of knowing nothing now that this book is out unless we choose to ignore it. People get convicted in court every day in he said she said cases once the jury has made that determination for themselves. Absolute certainty is not an option. and it would make no difference to my love of the TM practice if I did. I respect your personal call on this. It also makes no difference to my TM practice. Leave the dead guy alone unless you have and interest in salacious gossip, and yet, another excuse to psychoanalyze and bash Maharishi. And I would like you to respect mine. This is not salacious gossip for me. It is an inquiry into the complex personality of a fascinating man who held great importance in my young adult life by a person who knew him more intimately than I did. My search for truth is no less laudable or sincere than anyone else here, even if it has lead me to different conclusions about Maharishi's teaching. Equating a physiological analysis of Maharishi with bashing is unnecessary negative reductionist spin on what is for me an useful insight into human nature. For me it does not bash Maharishi to form a more accurate view of him than what is presented by his own self-created PR machine. It is my genuine search for truth given much lip service in the movement until the evidence leads to more obvious conclusions than Maharishi's perfection. I respect your right to not be interested in this topic Raunchy. But phrases like leave the dead guy alone represents a lack of intellectual curiosity that I can't relate to. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, randyanand ra108@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Secrets like that form an intimate bond for the insiders and the master. I can't believe Jerry wasn't conflicted about all this happening under his nose. I beg your pardon ? How can you be sure anything particular was happening under Jerry's nose ? Because some psychic reader wrote a book ? And, even if Judith's book is true, how do we know that Jerry knew about it, and/or knew about it and didn't say or do anything about it. The bottom line is we don't know. Exactly. In any instance of a Kiss and Tell book when it comes to the intimate details of pillow talk, it amounts to he said, she said, except Maharishi ain't saying, nor can he. He may have had a roll in the hay with Judith and others, but I don't know that for sure and it would make no difference to my love of the TM practice if I did. Leave the dead guy alone unless you have and interest in salacious gossip, and yet, another excuse to psychoanalyze and bash Maharishi.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi's Personality Disorders, was Teacher-student sex
The bottom line is we don't know. raunchydog: Exactly. In any instance of a Kiss and Tell book when it comes to the intimate details of pillow talk, it amounts to he said, she said, except Maharishi ain't saying, nor can he. He may have had a roll in the hay with Judith But, did she enjoy? and others, but I don't know that for sure and it would make no difference to my love of the TM practice if I did. Leave the dead guy alone unless you have and interest in salacious gossip, and yet, another excuse to psychoanalyze and bash Maharishi. So, why would someone like Judith want to seduce the Maharishi? Power? Hormones? Love? And why would she want to write a book about it, without mentioning Connie Larsson and the Sai Baba? Are we to assume that giving the Maharishi a full body massage and then writing a book about it, is much more important to Judith than telling us about Sai Baba and the pedophilia? Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi's Personality Disorders, was Teacher-student sex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: A charlatan - is a fraudulent, exploitative, deceptive and unscrupulous individual. Sounds like Vaj is describing himself :-)
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi's Personality Disorders, was Teacher-student sex
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of raunchydog Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 11:40 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi's Personality Disorders, was Teacher-student sex And, even if Judith's book is true, how do we know that Jerry knew about it, and/or knew about it and didn't say or do anything about it. The bottom line is we don't know. Exactly. In any instance of a Kiss and Tell book when it comes to the intimate details of pillow talk, it amounts to he said, she said, except Maharishi ain't saying, nor can he. He may have had a roll in the hay with Judith and others, but I don't know that for sure and it would make no difference to my love of the TM practice if I did. Leave the dead guy alone unless you have and interest in salacious gossip, and yet, another excuse to psychoanalyze and bash Maharishi. My last post of the week. The reason I think this book is important is that it may enable the Movement or at least many people in it to grow up. Which is why, if Judith's dream is to be believed, Maharishi wanted her to publish it. The TMO could still flourish if it divested itself of the nonsense that accumulated as MMY progressively lost his bearings. And individually, people will grow a lot if they learn to think for themselves, stop regarding everything MMY said or did as divinely inspired, take what they need, and leave the rest.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Vaj - Narcissistic Personality Disorder (Anti-Authoritarian variety), plus Something Darker?
Dear Dr. Michael Dean Goodman, Ph.D.: On Jul 15, 2010, at 12:42 PM, Dr. Michael Dean Goodman wrote: Dear Fairfield Lifers, I'm a professional (Ph.D.) therapist who's worked with over a thousand clients over the the past 38 years. I've quietly read Vaj's numerous post- ings on this list for many years, since he first joined. Although Vaj has never claimed any professional training or credentials in the counseling world, he repeatedly uses the diagnosis of personality disorders to put down his perceived enemies. This is humorous, and a whopping case of projection, since Vaj's huge body of postings reveal that he is a prime candidate for a diagnosis of Narcissistic Personality Disorder (anti-author- itarian flavor) himself. Let's just take a look: snip Hit a nerve, huh? Is it true the Wednesday Night Satsang actually had to make a rule to prevent people like yourself from speaking, because you took over the whole satsang and wouldn't shut up? I know you're the founder and all, but it's nice to let other people talk Mike! But I'm glad to see you're back and you've had some time to work on keeping the length of your emails down. Sorry to disappoint you and your friends, but you weren't even close Mike. I'm actually a normal healthy guy. And you say you're actually licensed? That's amazing. I always was impressed by the list that always follows your emails though, if that means anything. BTW, I couldn't help but notice you didn't comment at all on the Maharishi's close adherence to most (if not all) of the criteria listed! I know we'd like to see you decrease the length of your emails, but for the benefit of the collective consciousness of the list, would you please share your own opinion of the Maharishi's behavior and the aforementioned list? Thanks so much. For Vaj's sake, I personally hope that he's just a severe anti-author- itarian narcissist, and not a rakshasa. You're so sweet Mike. That's the nicest thing anyone's said to me all day! Best, Vaj
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi's Personality Disorders, was Teacher-student sex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of raunchydog Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 11:40 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi's Personality Disorders, was Teacher-student sex And, even if Judith's book is true, how do we know that Jerry knew about it, and/or knew about it and didn't say or do anything about it. The bottom line is we don't know. Exactly. In any instance of a Kiss and Tell book when it comes to the intimate details of pillow talk, it amounts to he said, she said, except Maharishi ain't saying, nor can he. He may have had a roll in the hay with Judith and others, but I don't know that for sure and it would make no difference to my love of the TM practice if I did. Leave the dead guy alone unless you have and interest in salacious gossip, and yet, another excuse to psychoanalyze and bash Maharishi. My last post of the week. The reason I think this book is important is that it may enable the Movement or at least many people in it to grow up. Which is why, if Judith's dream is to be believed, Maharishi wanted her to publish it. Rich Archers wet dream.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi's Personality Disorders, was Teacher-student sex
curtisdeltablues wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: Exactly. In any instance of a Kiss and Tell book when it comes to the intimate details of pillow talk, it amounts to he said, she said, except Maharishi ain't saying, nor can he. He may have had a roll in the hay with Judith and others, but I don't know that for sure I agree. We each need to evaluate the credibility of Judith's statements if we want to express an informed opinion on this. But we can know to whatever standards we personally maintain about credibility and assign the probability of the account being accurate. We are not in a position of knowing nothing now that this book is out unless we choose to ignore it. People get convicted in court every day in he said she said cases once the jury has made that determination for themselves. Absolute certainty is not an option. An acquaintance wrote a book about his experiences in India and was having a friend help edit it. According to my friend the publisher kept asking for more sex stuff to help the book sell.
[FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Judith's book
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: Well, fer sure you won't be hiring Judith for any exit counseling - she charges at least $100 an hour for 'psychic trance' sessions! Nab: Did she write the book in a state of psychic trance also ? Under the trance state of Connie Larsson! Banging her while forging the so-called letters in automatic writing, paying her 100$ an hour. ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Thanks for posting this Michael. Namaste !
In this case, we'd say Vaj is clearly an Anti-Authoritarian flavor of Narcissist. THE MAN'S WRITINGS REVEAL HIS NATURE In his writings here over the years, Vaj revealed that he's designed a spiritual path where he is dependent on no one teacher or technology, where he doesn't have to actually surrender his individual ego/intellect, where his ego/intellect picks and chooses spiritual bits and pieces (like one would pick candies from a Whitman's Sampler Box) - a technique here, a spiritual visit there, an intellectual scriptural reference here, a name-dropping about some famous or obscure-but-special-sound- ing teacher there. And he has strung all these spiritual bits together like shiny beads on a necklace - all these teachers, and visits, and read- ings, and words, and intellectual ideas. And he says, in effect: Look at what I've gathered! Look at how shiny I am! Look at how special I am! For Vaj, the best thing he could do, in my compassionate opinion (from both the spiritual and psychological perspective), is to put all this stuff down. Put down the teachers, books, techniques, memories, etc. Let it all go - and just look within to see who or what's behind it all. Be simple, be invisible, be quiet. See who's there. This would be way, way, way simpler than the convoluted spiritual world that he projects here! Read back over a bunch of Vaj's posts on this list and notice that: 1. You'll see lot's of NEGATIVITY: don't do this, don't believe that, distrust this, don't practice that... And he'll point out how various people - from Maharishi to members of this forum - are damaged or defective. But you WON'T see much positivity: do this, believe this, trust this, practice this - almost nothing that is actually helpful or useful to those on the path. He's a great Anti-authoritarian, but he offers so little that's useful for real spiritual progress. But that's what Anti-authoritarians do - they tear down those who are actually trying to do something, but they offer little to replace it. 2. You'll also see lot's of COMPLICATION: esoteric, complicated-sounding knowledge, reference to many sects and texts and teachers, book learning galore... But the Truth is simple! And you won't see simplicity from Vaj. He has a good intellect, and uses it like a Narcissist would - to weave a difficult-to-follow maze that's meant to impress, to keep us off-balance, to give us the impression that he's quite the expert. 3. You'll see that his words feel like they come mainly FROM MEMORY or FROM INTELLECT - but not from heart, or compassion, or empathy - and especially NOT from some foundation of his own simple, direct, personal experience of the Truth. Vaj's writings, when they refer to any knowledge, just dangle a hint of it out there, like a carrot, vague and unsubstantiatable but very important- sounding. His tone says: I'm very knowledgeable, very important; I've got IT and you don't; but you'll never figure IT out from me; my words will be vague, hinting at things, puffing me up - but rarely of any value in helping you with evolution. Vaj will say, in effect: trust me, I'm an expert, I've got special experience and knowledge, I've been around the spiritual block - what you bumpkins are taking so seriously is unimportant kindergarten-level stuff. I'll talk ABOUT higher stuff, I'll hint at it, I'll tell you what an expert I am - but I'll rarely if ever actually teach you anything useful. In fact, I'll run away from any intelligent discussion of my points, either by belittling you, or creating a smokescreen of important-sounding (but actually meaningless) words, or by just simply avoiding real discussion. Vaj's words say: I'll just chip away at your beliefs, undermine your confi- dence, try to tear down your commitment to your path, create doubt and confusion - as any true Anti-authoritarian would do. Look back at the body of Vaj's writings: Where's the compassion, where's the love, where's the useful knowledge that a real teacher shares, where's the practical advice, where's the true teacher? But Anti-authoritarian Narcissists don't lead, don't teach - they just want to tear down those who do lead, who do teach. Put them in charge, and they wouldn't know what to do. Their life-script is about emasculating leaders and living in a fantasy of self-importance. CONCLUSION #2: ACTUALLY NARCISSIST (PLUS ANTI-AUTHORITARIAN)? OR SOMETHING MORE TROUBLING AND DARK? So we've noticed that if we're looking for real, compassionate spiritual guidance, we'll be frustrated by Vaj - and we've had years to watch what he serves up. Instead we get Anti-authoritarian, we get Narciss- isism - and we maybe get something even more troubling: we get a dark smokescreen of confusion, negativity, obstruction... We get conscious misrepresentation and outright lying. We get refusal to reveal, refusal to answer simple questions. We get an attempt to obscure the Truth and replace it with confusion, complication, doubt,
[FairfieldLife] Re: Thanks for posting this Michael. Namaste !
One day, when I was showing a whole lot of Vaj's posts to my profes- sional friends, one of them (who is a spiritual man - not on the TM path - currently a Buddhist) took me aside and said Michael - I get the distinct feeling here that we are dealing with something darker than Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Have you considered that we are watching the very clever tactics of a demon, the handiwork of an obstructer of Truth? With Vaj's intense hate of Maharishi, this makes perfect sense. Thank you for posting this very timely post Michael !
[FairfieldLife] First half of 2010 warmest on record
Jan.-June warmest first half of year on record 2010 tops 1998 temps; question now is whether 12 months will break 2005 record for warmest year http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26613008/ [photo] Global land and ocean surface temperatures in the first half of 2010 were the warmest January-June on record, the federal climate service reported Thursday. January-June temperatures averaged 57.5 degrees Fahrenheit 1.22 degrees F above the 20th Century average, according to the National Climatic Data Center. Its records go back to 1880. That broke the previous record of 1.19 degrees F above average set in 1998. 2010 has also surpassed 1998 for the most warmest months in any calendar year, the center stated. Each of the 10 warmest average global temperatures recorded since 1880 have occurred in the last fifteen years, it added. The warmest year-to-date on record, through June, was 1998, and 2010 is warmer so far. The warmest year on record is 2005, but that record could fall as well. The center also reported opposite ice developments on opposite sides of the globe: * Arctic sea ice covered an average of 4.2 million square miles during June 10.6 percent below the 1979-2000 average extent and the lowest June extent since records began in 1979. This was also the 19th consecutive June with below-average Arctic sea ice extent. * Antarctic sea ice extent in June was above average, 8.3 percent above the 1979-2000 average resulting in the largest June extent on record. The center, which calls itself the largest active archive of weather data, gets monthly updates from national weather bureaus around the world. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38263788/ http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38263788/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Guess who! ; )
Krishna? From: cardemaister no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, 15 July, 2010 6:59:06 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Guess who! ; ) In clean and cool crystalline halls he engaged himself continuously in all forms of amorous indulgences with these charming and responsive women... - Besides, he studied during this time the Sutras that the sage Vatsyayana had made on this subject together with all the commentaries on the same, and also produced a new work of great profundity on the theme, bearing the name of beep. Do you know or can you guess who he is?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Group Sexual Gossip Due to Planetary Transit
lol. and please tell what you think about the time of the total eclipse on Sunday and in conjunction with this influence? From: John jr_...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, 15 July, 2010 2:55:19 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Group Sexual Gossip Due to Planetary Transit You may not know it. But everyone has been influenced by the conjunction of Mars and Venus in Leo for the past few days. This conjunction elicits actions resulting in sexual affairs or discussions about the same matter.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Group Sexual Gossip Due to Planetary Transit
From: John jr_...@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, 15 July, 2010 2:55:19 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Group Sexual Gossip Due to Planetary Transit You may not know it. But everyone has been influenced by the conjunction of Mars and Venus in Leo for the past few days. This conjunction elicits actions resulting in sexual affairs or discussions about the same matter. I see, so Rick Archer is under a permanent pressure from Mars and Venus in Leo ? Thought so.
[FairfieldLife] School Bilk Programme
Posted: 14 Jul 2010 06:02 PM PDT One day, I'll find time to write at length about Jamie Oliver but for now, an observation widely shared: when he ran into the food service regulations in his recent US school meal adventures http://www.jamieoliver.com/newsletter/jfr_june2010-1.html , it was clear he was outgunned in ways he couldn't fathom. That's not his fault. School meal regulations in the US are almost deliberately unfathomable. A small legion of food activists and journalists are trying to get to the bottom of it, though the Time for Lunch http://www.slowfoodusa.org/index.php/campaign/time_for_lunch/ campaign is trying to transform school meals, for instance, but two new bits of investigation, across the US http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/4282/cafeteria_kickbacks/ and in DC, suggest the scale of the task. The kickback agreements that industrial caterers have with brand suppliers is something that they'll fight very hard to keep, even if it means that the fresh, local and sustainable produce needed to head off the US obesity epidemic remains off the menu. [Via Jenny Huston http://www.zoominfo.com/people/Huston_Jenny_1702954.aspx ] http://rajpatel.org/ http://rajpatel.org/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Group Sexual Gossip Due to Planetary Transit
nabby your appearance under this conjunction may be sexual frustration. lol From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, 15 July, 2010 4:05:47 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Group Sexual Gossip Due to Planetary Transit From: John jr_...@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, 15 July, 2010 2:55:19 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Group Sexual Gossip Due to Planetary Transit You may not know it. But everyone has been influenced by the conjunction of Mars and Venus in Leo for the past few days. This conjunction elicits actions resulting in sexual affairs or discussions about the same matter. I see, so Rick Archer is under a permanent pressure from Mars and Venus in Leo ? Thought so.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Thanks for posting this Michael. Namaste !
Hi Michael, Also a thanks for posting this from me. I don't have the credentials to make a diagnosis of Vaj, but I can say that my dealings with him here have always had me perplexed as to why he can not admit that he is ever wrong about anything. His pattern with me is simply not to deal with subjects that I bring up when he has no way to prove his position and his superiority. Probably the one I remember best is when I once wrote and said that I felt that I have great gratitude toward MMY because I have experienced everything that he promised I would. Vaj's response was that I think I have experienced everything he promised, implying that I hadn't really had the experiences that I have had. And I'm thinking, what kind of egotistic moron is he to believe he knows my experiences better than I do?!! Only someone who seriously has his own ego in need of an overhaul. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: One day, when I was showing a whole lot of Vaj's posts to my profes- sional friends, one of them (who is a spiritual man - not on the TM path - currently a Buddhist) took me aside and said Michael - I get the distinct feeling here that we are dealing with something darker than Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Have you considered that we are watching the very clever tactics of a demon, the handiwork of an obstructer of Truth? With Vaj's intense hate of Maharishi, this makes perfect sense. Thank you for posting this very timely post Michael !
[FairfieldLife] Re: Group Sexual Gossip Due to Planetary Transit
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_...@... wrote: You may not know it. But everyone has been influenced by the conjunction of Mars and Venus in Leo for the past few days. This conjunction elicits actions resulting in sexual affairs or discussions about the same matter. Not everyone. Currently, my libido is on vacation, and I have zero interest in the sexual gossip discussions. Basically, sex is the one thing that is *not* on my mind right now.
[FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Judith's book
Banging her while forging the so-called letters in automatic writing, paying her 100$ an hour... Where was Conny when the banging was going on? Probably in India banging on the Baba or getting banged by the Baba! Conny spoke about the seven different states of consciousness and also did some trance channeling of Vyaasa, 'the first Rishi, or Seer'. That, for sure was an extra bonus at the seminar...I really look forward to the next event of this kind that Conny organizes! - Judith Conny's Master Class: http://www.vedicmasterclass.org/ Judith Bourque - Alternative Therapist: http://tinyurl.com/27vfpku Read more: Behind the Clown's Mask By Conny Larsson http://tinyurl.com/2wacxmk God's Little Clown By Conny Larsson http://tinyurl.com/2vh98o7
[FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Judith's book
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: A horse of a completely different color. Your mileage may vary, and that's OK. The Turq seems to be freaking out. Not that that's anything new considering his wild posts here on FFL, topped only by his friend Vaj There is nothing wrong with that, going bananas in a positive way; it could be healthy for many people, including the Turq. Take a deep breath, walk your dogs Turq. Exercise is helpful ! All is well All manner of things are well - His Divine Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi's Personality Disorders, was Teacher-student sex
vajradhatu: A charlatan -- is a fraudulent, exploitative, deceptive and unscrupulous individual. Nab: Sounds like Vaj is describing himself :-) So, 'Vajradhatu' was the name of the umbrella organization of Chögyam Trungpa Rinpoche, and so that makes Vaj a charlatan and a fraudulent, exploitative, deceptive and unscrupulous individual? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vajradhatu In late November 1988, rumors began to circulate that the Vajra Regent Ösel Tendzin was sick with AIDS and that he may have infected a sangha member with HIV... http://www.chronicleproject.com/tcs.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count
51 Joe geezerfreak God's Little Clown - Conny Larsson
[FairfieldLife] Judith Bourque expose
I case you haven't seen this yet, here is some info that may give you pause ... at least to bracket what you have heard or read: http://conny-larsson-exposed.blogspot.com/2009/03/filmmaker-judith-bourq\ ue.html Introduction To Judith Bourque A Synopsis Although Conny Larsson continually attempts to portray himself as a sincere and bona fide psychic trance medium, meditation master and Vedic mantra acharya, he acts very much like a cult leader who operates on the premises of suppression and cover-ups. It is a fact that Conny Larsson solicited himself as a psychic trance medium for Maharshi Vyasa. It is also a fact the Conny Larsson and Judith Bourque purposely and knowingly falsified and removed information from the vedicmasterclass.org website in a brazen attempt to cover-up and suppress Conny Larsson's psychic trance medium claims. Instead of giving lip service to love, truth, compassion, healing and spirituality, Judith Bourque should first practice what she preaches. Falsifying testimonies and covering-up information for her psychic Guru do not speak well for Judith Bourque's spiritual integrity. Judith Bourque is an exemplary example of Conny Larsson's pseudo-spirituality. Judith Bourque - Conny Larsson's Cover-Up Cult Disciple On Conny Larsson's official website at vedicmasterclass.org, it was claimed (twice) that Conny Larsson was a psychic trance channel for the immortal sage, rishi chiranjeevin Vyasa http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vyasa . After bringing this information to the attention of the general public, Conny Larsson rushed to do damage control by changing his profile and by changing the written testimony of Judith Bourque (essentially falsifying her first-hand testimony as originally published on the vedicmasterclass.org domain since mid to late 2006 - February 2009). See the `before' and `after' screencaps: BEFORE (relevant text is highlighted) â' [http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_UpLjt2rfgx4/SNvqjb5Ve-I/Adw/qiNmmRrIg\ tQ/s200/trance-medium-conny-larsson-vyasa.gif] http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_UpLjt2rfgx4/SNvqjb5Ve-I/Adw/qiNmmRrIg\ tQ/s1600-h/trance-medium-conny-larsson-vyasa.gif Conny Larsson, Sweden/Cyprus - Founder of Vedic Mantra Meditation school in Europe. - Author and psychotherapist. Transchannel for `Vyaasa, the first Rishi' During the Master Class Conny guided participants in the knowledge of the Vedic Mantra systems with regard to the 7 chakras of the nervous system. As Vyaasa he channeled 4000 year old knowledge for the group as a whole and at times for us as individuals. He also took us through processes to expand our levels of consciousness. co...@email.com AFTER (note that the relevant text was removed) â' [BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5306883613618635842] http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_UpLjt2rfgx4/SaXWh44UhEI/Amg/kCPeEcCmM\ _Q/s1600-h/psychic-conny-larsson-vyasa2.gif Conny Larsson, Sweden/Cyprus Founder of Vedic Mantra Meditation school in Europe. - Author and psychotherapist. During the Master Class Conny guided participants in the knowledge of the Vedic Mantra systems with regard to the 7 chakras of the nervous system. He took us through processes to expand our levels of consciousness. co...@email.com BEFORE (relevant text is highlighted) â' [http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_UpLjt2rfgx4/SNvqk9y2J1I/Ad4/Dduj8tVZa\ Io/s200/trance-medium-vyasa-conny-larsson.gif] http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_UpLjt2rfgx4/SNvqk9y2J1I/Ad4/Dduj8tVZa\ Io/s1600-h/trance-medium-vyasa-conny-larsson.gif Meeting for the Masters' Class in Cypress was truly inspiring and an excellent example of how to spend a meaningful holiday. We were a group of teachers from several different countries, each bringing to the class an area of acquired knowledge and experience...Conny spoke about the seven different states of consciousness and also did some trance channeling of Vyaasa, `the first Rishi, or Seer'. That, for sure was an extra bonus at the seminar...I really look forward to the next event of this kind that Conny organises! Judith Bourque, Holistic Therapist and Independent Filmmaker AFTER (note that the relevant text was changed) â' [BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5306883615943616530] http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_UpLjt2rfgx4/SaXWiBio6BI/Amo/5ZWkwDiUq\ p4/s1600-h/psychic-conny-larsson-channeling-vyasa2.gif Meeting for the Masters' Class in Cypress was truly inspiring and an excellent example of how to spend a meaningful holiday. We were a group of teachers from several different countries, each bringing to the class an area of acquired knowledge and experience...Conny spoke about the seven different states of consciousness and also did some interpretations from Vyaasa, `the first Rishi, or Seer'. That, for sure was an extra bonus at the seminar...I really look forward to the next event of this kind that Conny organises! Judith Bourque, Holistic Therapist and Independent Filmmaker Joe Moreno
Re: [FairfieldLife] Judith Bourque expose
On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 6:35 PM, emptybill emptyb...@yahoo.com wrote: I case you haven't seen this yet, here is some info that may give you pause ... at least to bracket what you have heard or read: http://conny-larsson-exposed.blogspot.com/2009/03/filmmaker-judith-bourque.html So let me get this straight. This guy in Spain who's attracted to FFL like a flies are attracted to shit is actually a woman named Judith. There. Got that right.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Judith Bourque expose
Yep, consider the source. Thanks, emptybill, for digging beneath the surface of all the hoopla of the past few days surrounding Judith's claims of sexcapades with Maharishi. Even if she is telling the truth, (which I now doubt) I think it's in poor taste to write about the intimate details of an affair with a person who has died. If she had any integrity at all she should have written about it while Maharishi was alive. It's always interesting to watch the activity on FFLife go into hyperdrive whenever there's fresh meat from Maharishi's carcass. It's like watching a feeding frenzy of hungry jackals. It ain't pretty. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptyb...@... wrote: I case you haven't seen this yet, here is some info that may give you pause ... at least to bracket what you have heard or read: http://conny-larsson-exposed.blogspot.com/2009/03/filmmaker-judith-bourq\ ue.html Introduction To Judith Bourque A Synopsis Although Conny Larsson continually attempts to portray himself as a sincere and bona fide psychic trance medium, meditation master and Vedic mantra acharya, he acts very much like a cult leader who operates on the premises of suppression and cover-ups. It is a fact that Conny Larsson solicited himself as a psychic trance medium for Maharshi Vyasa. It is also a fact the Conny Larsson and Judith Bourque purposely and knowingly falsified and removed information from the vedicmasterclass.org website in a brazen attempt to cover-up and suppress Conny Larsson's psychic trance medium claims. Instead of giving lip service to love, truth, compassion, healing and spirituality, Judith Bourque should first practice what she preaches. Falsifying testimonies and covering-up information for her psychic Guru do not speak well for Judith Bourque's spiritual integrity. Judith Bourque is an exemplary example of Conny Larsson's pseudo-spirituality. Judith Bourque - Conny Larsson's Cover-Up Cult Disciple On Conny Larsson's official website at vedicmasterclass.org, it was claimed (twice) that Conny Larsson was a psychic trance channel for the immortal sage, rishi chiranjeevin Vyasa http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vyasa . After bringing this information to the attention of the general public, Conny Larsson rushed to do damage control by changing his profile and by changing the written testimony of Judith Bourque (essentially falsifying her first-hand testimony as originally published on the vedicmasterclass.org domain since mid to late 2006 - February 2009). See the `before' and `after' screencaps: BEFORE (relevant text is highlighted) â' [http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_UpLjt2rfgx4/SNvqjb5Ve-I/Adw/qiNmmRrIg\ tQ/s200/trance-medium-conny-larsson-vyasa.gif] http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_UpLjt2rfgx4/SNvqjb5Ve-I/Adw/qiNmmRrIg\ tQ/s1600-h/trance-medium-conny-larsson-vyasa.gif Conny Larsson, Sweden/Cyprus - Founder of Vedic Mantra Meditation school in Europe. - Author and psychotherapist. Transchannel for `Vyaasa, the first Rishi' During the Master Class Conny guided participants in the knowledge of the Vedic Mantra systems with regard to the 7 chakras of the nervous system. As Vyaasa he channeled 4000 year old knowledge for the group as a whole and at times for us as individuals. He also took us through processes to expand our levels of consciousness. co...@... AFTER (note that the relevant text was removed) â' [BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5306883613618635842] http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_UpLjt2rfgx4/SaXWh44UhEI/Amg/kCPeEcCmM\ _Q/s1600-h/psychic-conny-larsson-vyasa2.gif Conny Larsson, Sweden/Cyprus Founder of Vedic Mantra Meditation school in Europe. - Author and psychotherapist. During the Master Class Conny guided participants in the knowledge of the Vedic Mantra systems with regard to the 7 chakras of the nervous system. He took us through processes to expand our levels of consciousness. co...@... BEFORE (relevant text is highlighted) â' [http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_UpLjt2rfgx4/SNvqk9y2J1I/Ad4/Dduj8tVZa\ Io/s200/trance-medium-vyasa-conny-larsson.gif] http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_UpLjt2rfgx4/SNvqk9y2J1I/Ad4/Dduj8tVZa\ Io/s1600-h/trance-medium-vyasa-conny-larsson.gif Meeting for the Masters' Class in Cypress was truly inspiring and an excellent example of how to spend a meaningful holiday. We were a group of teachers from several different countries, each bringing to the class an area of acquired knowledge and experience...Conny spoke about the seven different states of consciousness and also did some trance channeling of Vyaasa, `the first Rishi, or Seer'. That, for sure was an extra bonus at the seminar...I really look forward to the next event of this kind that Conny organises! Judith Bourque, Holistic Therapist and Independent Filmmaker AFTER (note that the relevant text was changed) â'
Re: [FairfieldLife] Dr. Michael Dean Goodman - Narcissistic Personality Disorder (Pseudo-Guru variety)?
On Jul 15, 2010, at 7:58 PM, It's just a ride wrote: On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 6:16 PM, Dr. Michael Dean Goodman tan...@cheerful.com wrote: Here's a repeat of my post from earlier this afternoon. The formatting was so garbled that all the lines got broken up and it was very hard to read. Here's a cleaner version. I apologize for the double posting. This one should be much easier on the eyes and the brain. ;) Dear Fairfield Lifers, I'm a professional (Ph.D.) therapist who's worked with over a thousand clients over the the past 38 years. I've quietly read Vaj's numerous postings on this list for many years, since he first joined. Although Vaj has never claimed any professional training or credentials in the counseling world, he repeatedly uses the diagnosis of personality disorders to put down his perceived enemies. This is humorous, and a whopping case of projection, since Vaj's huge body of post- ings reveal that he is a prime candidate for a diagnosis of Narcissistic Personality Disorder (anti-authoritarian flavor) himself. Let's just take a look: Vaj believes himself to be a psychiatrist. Ask him about the psychiatric practice he was going to buy. I do? I was going to buy a psychiatrist practice? Why didn't anyone tell me?! What an odd day. Despite having several friends, including my best friend (who are psychiatrists) tell me I'm not only one of the most mentally healthy persons they know, I'm told by some TM-bot (who's allegedly no longer championing pro-TM claims) that I have a personality disorder! To top it off the person who tells me I'm a narcissist has observed narcissistic tendencies himself!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Judith Bourque expose
On Jul 15, 2010, at 7:35 PM, emptybill wrote: I case you haven't seen this yet, here is some info that may give you pause ... at least to bracket what you have heard or read: Sheesh you might want to read a little more closely moron. Didn't you see the obvious fallacies in this? (or of course, maybe you did). It's only pushing the disinformation that counts, right? Nice try.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Vaj - Narcissistic Personality Disorder (Anti-Authoritarian variety), plus Something Darker?
On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 6:16 PM, Dr. Michael Dean Goodman tan...@cheerful.com wrote: Here's a repeat of my post from earlier this afternoon. The formatting was so garbled that all the lines got broken up and it was very hard to read. Here's a cleaner version. I apologize for the double posting. This one should be much easier on the eyes and the brain. ;) Dear Fairfield Lifers, I'm a professional (Ph.D.) therapist who's worked with over a thousand clients over the the past 38 years. I've quietly read Vaj's numerous postings on this list for many years, since he first joined. Although Vaj has never claimed any professional training or credentials in the counseling world, he repeatedly uses the diagnosis of personality disorders to put down his perceived enemies. This is humorous, and a whopping case of projection, since Vaj's huge body of post- ings reveal that he is a prime candidate for a diagnosis of Narcissistic Personality Disorder (anti-authoritarian flavor) himself. Let's just take a look: Vaj believes himself to be a psychiatrist. Ask him about the psychiatric practice he was going to buy.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Thanks for posting this Michael. Namaste !
On Jul 15, 2010, at 6:15 PM, randyanand wrote: Hi Michael, Also a thanks for posting this from me. I don't have the credentials to make a diagnosis of Vaj, but I can say that my dealings with him here have always had me perplexed as to why he can not admit that he is ever wrong about anything. His pattern with me is simply not to deal with subjects that I bring up when he has no way to prove his position and his superiority. LOL! Yeah, right. I just live to answer assinine questions from someone who doesn't merely have their foot up their ass, but instead seems to have inserted their entire leg! You don't need me, you need a really good proctologist. I generally only RESPOND the things I know about, so expecting me to respond to affirmatively to things I DON'T know about is, well, kinda stoopid, to go a little Judy on you...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Thanks for posting this Michael. Namaste !
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, randyanand ra...@... wrote: Hi Michael, Also a thanks for posting this from me. I don't have the credentials to make a diagnosis of Vaj, but I can say that my dealings with him here have always had me perplexed as to why he can not admit that he is ever wrong about anything. His pattern with me is simply not to deal with subjects that I bring up when he has no way to prove his position and his superiority. Probably the one I remember best is when I once wrote and said that I felt that I have great gratitude toward MMY because I have experienced everything that he promised I would. Vaj's response was that I think I have experienced everything he promised, implying that I hadn't really had the experiences that I have had. And I'm thinking, what kind of egotistic moron is he to believe he knows my experiences better than I do?!! Only someone who seriously has his own ego in need of an overhaul. Nice, thanks for posting this randyanand !
[FairfieldLife] God's Little Clown - Conny Larson
51 Joe geezerfreak God's Little Clown - Conny Larsson 51 Joe geezerfreak God's Little Clown - Conny Larsson Rick Archer's main source in trying to bring Yogi's down to his level. Ladies and Gentlemen; Conny Larson !
[FairfieldLife] Re: Judith Bourque expose
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptyb...@... wrote: I case you haven't seen this yet, here is some info that may give you pause ... at least to bracket what you have heard or read: http://conny-larsson-exposed.blogspot.com/2009/03/filmmaker-judith-bourq\ \ ue.html Introduction To Judith Bourque A Synopsis Although Conny Larsson continually attempts to portray himself as a sincere and bona fide psychic trance medium, meditation master and Vedic mantra acharya, he acts very much like a cult leader who operates on the premises of suppression and cover-ups. It is a fact that Conny Larsson solicited himself as a psychic trance medium for Maharshi Vyasa. It is also a fact the Conny Larsson and Judith Bourque purposely and knowingly falsified and removed information from the vedicmasterclass.org website in a brazen attempt to cover-up and suppress Conny Larsson's psychic trance medium claims. Instead of giving lip service to love, truth, compassion, healing and spirituality, Judith Bourque should first practice what she preaches. Falsifying testimonies and covering-up information for her psychic Guru do not speak well for Judith Bourque's spiritual integrity. Judith Bourque is an exemplary example of Conny Larsson's pseudo-spirituality. This woman is the person Rick Archer et al is using as a proof against Maharishi ?? Amazing and sad. Given Rick Archer's track record regarding truthfulness it's not surprizing. That fellow will embraze anyone, any lie will do.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Judith Bourque expose
This is a quite humorous and emotional reply on your part. You must find it quite threatening to consider anything outside of your own viewpoint. Sorry that your mind is so disturbed and your emotions so agitated. Ain't sansara a bitch? I don't have a dog in this fight any more than in the swirls of accusation around Sai Baba, Swami Rama or others. However I think it unfair that Judith waited until after Maharishi died to make her claims that way she couldn't be contradicted. Oh, btw, you might want to read a little closer yourself. The original sentence at least to bracket what you have heard or read is quite understandable to most people. However, the idea of withholding judgment until one knows more must be quite troubling to you. Perhaps the prospect of uninvolved, unbiased consideration seems like it might annihilate your need to interject yourself into the bedroom with MMY and Judith. So much sansara - so little to do with those endless kalpas. Wouldn't you be much happier in arupya-samapatti? It is a lot easier than Buddhaghosa portrayed there are even yanks accomplished in it now some even in Barre. If I knew then what I know now, I would then know there is no now. It's just a view, a gaze, a slice without the pie. Markos Theion 2BRO2B The Moral Dilemmaby Kilgore Trout --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Jul 15, 2010, at 7:35 PM, emptybill wrote: I case you haven't seen this yet, here is some info that may give you pause ... at least to bracket what you have heard or read: Sheesh you might want to read a little more closely moron. Didn't you see the obvious fallacies in this? (or of course, maybe you did). It's only pushing the disinformation that counts, right? Nice try.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Judith Bourque expose
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: Yep, consider the source. Thanks, emptybill, for digging beneath the surface of all the hoopla of the past few days surrounding Judith's claims of sexcapades with Maharishi. Even if she is telling the truth, (which I now doubt) I think it's in poor taste to write about the intimate details of an affair with a person who has died. If she had any integrity at all she should have written about it while Maharishi was alive. She's a coward. Just like Rick Archer, Conny Larson, The Turq and the Vaj It's always interesting to watch the activity on FFLife go into hyperdrive whenever there's fresh meat from Maharishi's carcass. It's like watching a feeding frenzy of hungry jackals. It ain't pretty. Bingo !
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dr. Michael Dean Goodman - Narcissistic Personality Disorder (Pseudo-Guru variety)?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: Dear Fairfield Lifers, I'm a professional (Ph.D.) therapist who's worked with over a thousand clients over the the past 38 years. I've quietly read Vaj's numerous postings on this list for many years, since he first joined. Although Vaj has never claimed any professional training or credentials in the counseling world, he repeatedly uses the diagnosis of personality disorders to put down his perceived enemies. This is humorous, and a whopping case of projection, since Vaj's huge body of post- ings reveal that he is a prime candidate for a diagnosis of Narcissistic Personality Disorder (anti-authoritarian flavor) himself. Let's just take a look: Vaj believes himself to be a psychiatrist. Ask him about the psychiatric practice he was going to buy. I do? I was going to buy a psychiatrist practice? Why didn't anyone tell me?! What an odd day. Despite having several friends, including my best friend (who are psychiatrists) tell me I'm not only one of the most mentally healthy persons they know, I'm told by some TM-bot (who's allegedly no longer championing pro-TM claims) that I have a personality disorder! To top it off the person who tells me I'm a narcissist has observed narcissistic tendencies himself! Classic Vaj denial . Vaj exposed: Dear Fairfield Lifers, I'm a professional (Ph.D.) therapist who's worked with over a thousand clients over the the past 38 years. I've quietly read Vaj's numerous post- ings on this list for many years, since he first joined. Although Vaj has never claimed any professional training or credentials in the counseling world, he repeatedly uses the diagnosis of personality disorders to put down his perceived enemies. This is humorous, and a whopping case of projection, since Vaj's huge body of postings reveal that he is a prime candidate for a diagnosis of Narcissistic Personality Disorder (anti-author- itarian flavor) himself. Let's just take a look: I. Vaj vajradh...@... /group/FairfieldLife/post?postID=QdpJebwq8aiJQU0-iLN9rmyL8G8PMuPxmlUN38\ n8fkwIiQ7OrzWdEpNmGShJKGwBlHWCoLpTLBzOoQByg6kqp8I once wrote on this list that Judy was a personality disordered person: However the unfortunate thing is, it isn't just all about Barry as Willy might say. It's really about the fact that a deranged personality will lash out at whoever, i.e. anyone. You certainly are not immune from Judy's vitriolic spew. The plain facts are, personality disordered people are the bane of internet discussion groups and Usenet. I realize this is un-kosher to state openly, and it's certainly not tactful (it's rarely appropriate to make a medical diagnosis via a discussion group), but it does seem to be the consensus among professional I know who've watched her vent her spleen year after year year. Hell, it's probably decade after decade at this point. :-) II. Today, Vaj vajradh...@... /group/FairfieldLife/post?postID=QdPstzKoMNVT-1a9r1AKK7COagkEeVazhl7OW2\ kWyAueeE0inDINb2b-CxUjc6GBW3miVqc8dmFy6G5Eq4uq sent to this list an e-mail with the title: The Maharishi's Personality Disorders in which he accuses not only Maharishi, but several of his 'believers' of having personality disorders. Some people have commented that Mahesh may fit the profile for Narcissistic Personality Disorder. And of course the thing about personality disorders, is they often occur in clusters with other personality disorders. Of the remaining 'believers' in Maheshism, several I've heard on the list would certainly raise an eyebrow for personality disorder issues themselves. So perhaps they are blinded to it in others? To them Mahesh seems normal. He then goes on to quote both the WHO's (World Health Organization) and the DSM-IV's (Diagnostic Statistical Manual) technical diagnostic criteria for Narcissistic Personality Disorder - just like a trained Ph.D. psychologist or a psychiatrist would. How ironic! Here I go violating the common admonition against on-line diagnosis, but, since Vaj has taken so many stabs at them, that opens the door a bit don't you think? (What's good for the goose is good for the gander... and all that.) Folks, I've read Vaj's posts here for years. Besides forming my own train- ed opinion, I've also shown his writings to a cluster of four other psycho- logy professionals and we've discussed him in some detail (although I made sure that his identity remained anonymous). There are so many postings here from Vaj over a long span of time - he provides a wealth of material that allows his patterns to emerge very plainly. Our collective sense is that he displays clear-cut symptoms of Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD). Here's our thinking: NARCISSISM Some acknowledged traits of narcissism (see if they fit Vaj): Extroverted Intellectual Mystical Self-absorbed Conflict-seeking Need to dominate Avoidant
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dr. Michael Dean Goodman - Narcissistic Personality Disorder (Pseudo-Guru variety)?
If you are such a mentally healthy person, why are you so roundly disliked on this forum? Why is no one springing to your defense following Micheal's negative characterization of you? Not a single person has offered a single word in your defense. Can you offer any explanation for this odd but undeniable fact? Have you ever stopped to think about how you come across in your posts? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Jul 15, 2010, at 7:58 PM, It's just a ride wrote: On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 6:16 PM, Dr. Michael Dean Goodman tan...@... wrote: Here's a repeat of my post from earlier this afternoon. The formatting was so garbled that all the lines got broken up and it was very hard to read. Here's a cleaner version. I apologize for the double posting. This one should be much easier on the eyes and the brain. ;) Dear Fairfield Lifers, I'm a professional (Ph.D.) therapist who's worked with over a thousand clients over the the past 38 years. I've quietly read Vaj's numerous postings on this list for many years, since he first joined. Although Vaj has never claimed any professional training or credentials in the counseling world, he repeatedly uses the diagnosis of personality disorders to put down his perceived enemies. This is humorous, and a whopping case of projection, since Vaj's huge body of post- ings reveal that he is a prime candidate for a diagnosis of Narcissistic Personality Disorder (anti-authoritarian flavor) himself. Let's just take a look: Vaj believes himself to be a psychiatrist. Ask him about the psychiatric practice he was going to buy. I do? I was going to buy a psychiatrist practice? Why didn't anyone tell me?! What an odd day. Despite having several friends, including my best friend (who are psychiatrists) tell me I'm not only one of the most mentally healthy persons they know, I'm told by some TM-bot (who's allegedly no longer championing pro-TM claims) that I have a personality disorder! To top it off the person who tells me I'm a narcissist has observed narcissistic tendencies himself!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Judith Bourque expose
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: I case you haven't seen this yet, here is some info that may give you pause ... at least to bracket what you have heard or read: http://conny-larsson-exposed.blogspot.com/ A sad story indeed, Conny Larson caught in lies, grandiosity of self and contradicitions. What a Clown. And the main source of Rick Archer in his crusade against the only Enlightened soul he ever met. As the americans say; Go figure !
[FairfieldLife] Re: Thanks for posting this Michael. Namaste !
What's Vaj's real name? Is he really Indian or is this a stage name? J/C, not that its unusual to use another name. (P.S.--My real name is Pranadaham Mhoosheriam, Pranamoocher, for short). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: In this case, we'd say Vaj is clearly an Anti-Authoritarian flavor of Narcissist. THE MAN'S WRITINGS REVEAL HIS NATURE In his writings here over the years, Vaj revealed that he's designed a spiritual path where he is dependent on no one teacher or technology, where he doesn't have to actually surrender his individual ego/intellect, where his ego/intellect picks and chooses spiritual bits and pieces (like one would pick candies from a Whitman's Sampler Box) - a technique here, a spiritual visit there, an intellectual scriptural reference here, a name-dropping about some famous or obscure-but-special-sound- ing teacher there. And he has strung all these spiritual bits together like shiny beads on a necklace - all these teachers, and visits, and read- ings, and words, and intellectual ideas. And he says, in effect: Look at what I've gathered! Look at how shiny I am! Look at how special I am! For Vaj, the best thing he could do, in my compassionate opinion (from both the spiritual and psychological perspective), is to put all this stuff down. Put down the teachers, books, techniques, memories, etc. Let it all go - and just look within to see who or what's behind it all. Be simple, be invisible, be quiet. See who's there. This would be way, way, way simpler than the convoluted spiritual world that he projects here! Read back over a bunch of Vaj's posts on this list and notice that: 1. You'll see lot's of NEGATIVITY: don't do this, don't believe that, distrust this, don't practice that... And he'll point out how various people - from Maharishi to members of this forum - are damaged or defective. But you WON'T see much positivity: do this, believe this, trust this, practice this - almost nothing that is actually helpful or useful to those on the path. He's a great Anti-authoritarian, but he offers so little that's useful for real spiritual progress. But that's what Anti-authoritarians do - they tear down those who are actually trying to do something, but they offer little to replace it. 2. You'll also see lot's of COMPLICATION: esoteric, complicated-sounding knowledge, reference to many sects and texts and teachers, book learning galore... But the Truth is simple! And you won't see simplicity from Vaj. He has a good intellect, and uses it like a Narcissist would - to weave a difficult-to-follow maze that's meant to impress, to keep us off-balance, to give us the impression that he's quite the expert. 3. You'll see that his words feel like they come mainly FROM MEMORY or FROM INTELLECT - but not from heart, or compassion, or empathy - and especially NOT from some foundation of his own simple, direct, personal experience of the Truth. Vaj's writings, when they refer to any knowledge, just dangle a hint of it out there, like a carrot, vague and unsubstantiatable but very important- sounding. His tone says: I'm very knowledgeable, very important; I've got IT and you don't; but you'll never figure IT out from me; my words will be vague, hinting at things, puffing me up - but rarely of any value in helping you with evolution. Vaj will say, in effect: trust me, I'm an expert, I've got special experience and knowledge, I've been around the spiritual block - what you bumpkins are taking so seriously is unimportant kindergarten-level stuff. I'll talk ABOUT higher stuff, I'll hint at it, I'll tell you what an expert I am - but I'll rarely if ever actually teach you anything useful. In fact, I'll run away from any intelligent discussion of my points, either by belittling you, or creating a smokescreen of important-sounding (but actually meaningless) words, or by just simply avoiding real discussion. Vaj's words say: I'll just chip away at your beliefs, undermine your confi- dence, try to tear down your commitment to your path, create doubt and confusion - as any true Anti-authoritarian would do. Look back at the body of Vaj's writings: Where's the compassion, where's the love, where's the useful knowledge that a real teacher shares, where's the practical advice, where's the true teacher? But Anti-authoritarian Narcissists don't lead, don't teach - they just want to tear down those who do lead, who do teach. Put them in charge, and they wouldn't know what to do. Their life-script is about emasculating leaders and living in a fantasy of self-importance. CONCLUSION #2: ACTUALLY NARCISSIST (PLUS ANTI-AUTHORITARIAN)? OR SOMETHING MORE TROUBLING AND DARK? So we've noticed that if we're looking for real, compassionate spiritual guidance, we'll be frustrated by Vaj - and we've had years to watch what he serves up. Instead we get
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dr. Michael Dean Goodman - Narcissistic Personality Disorder (Pseudo-Guru variety)?
If you are such a mentally healthy person, why are you so roundly disliked on this forum? Because we can't stand people who spout off about our guru, while keeping a secret who their guru is? Vaj is an informant, but does not want to inform, I guess. Only he knows why he went to see Swami Rama of the Himalayas, when the Swami lived in Pennsylvania, and then sat at the feet of the Trungpa when Rinpoche lived in Nova Scotia. Maybe Vaj doesn't want to be associated with them anymore. Go figure. 'Vajradhatu' was the name of the umbrella organization of Chögyam Trungpa Rinpoche http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vajradhatu
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dr. Michael Dean Goodman - Narcissistic Personality Disorder (Pseudo-Guru variety)?
On Jul 15, 2010, at 9:29 PM, feste37 wrote: If you are such a mentally healthy person, why are you so roundly disliked on this forum? Why is no one springing to your defense following Micheal's negative characterization of you? Not a single person has offered a single word in your defense. Can you offer any explanation for this odd but undeniable fact? Have you ever stopped to think about how you come across in your posts? Oh, please feste~~get a grip. Why is no one springing to Vaj's defense?? What is this~~gang warfare, virtual-style? Maybe it's because Michael's analysis is such lunacy most of us simply can't believe it. Who goes around showing a bunch of posts to others and then comes back, waving the results around as some kind of rational, professional medical opinion?? Someone who's desperate, that's who. And also maybe it's because the characteristics Michael insists Vaj has are so general most of us see ourselves in that list. I know I do. Bet I could show a bunch of your posts to some professionals and get a similar diagnosis. Or mine. Anyway, nice try piling on~~better luck next time. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dr. Michael Dean Goodman - Narcissistic Personality Disorder (Pseudo-Guru variety)?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 fest...@... wrote: If you are such a mentally healthy person, why are you so roundly disliked on this forum? Why is no one springing to your defense following Micheal's negative characterization of you? Not a single person has offered a single word in your defense. Can you offer any explanation for this odd but undeniable fact? Have you ever stopped to think about how you come across in your posts? But wait; the Turq will soon jump to defend his brother in cash
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dr. Michael Dean Goodman - Narcissistic Personality Disorder (Pseudo-Guru variety)?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: If you are such a mentally healthy person, why are you so roundly disliked on this forum? Because we can't stand people who spout off about our guru, while keeping a secret who their guru is? Vaj is an informant, but does not want to inform, I guess. Only he knows why he went to see Swami Rama of the Himalayas, when the Swami lived in Pennsylvania, and then sat at the feet of the Trungpa when Rinpoche lived in Nova Scotia. Maybe Vaj doesn't want to be associated with them anymore. Go figure. Haha :-) 'Vajradhatu' was the name of the umbrella organization of Chögyam Trungpa Rinpoche http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vajradhatu
[FairfieldLife] A Great Jew in London
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ll7UFxqI2pM
[FairfieldLife] Amy Winehouse and Vaj's denial
Like Amy, Vaj is no, no, no. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LTPRJqt2z4feature=channel
[FairfieldLife] Re: Judith Bourque expose
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Jul 15, 2010, at 8:16 PM, raunchydog wrote: Yep, consider the source. Thanks, emptybill, for digging beneath the surface of all the hoopla of the past few days surrounding Judith's claims of sexcapades with Maharishi. Even if she is telling the truth, (which I now doubt) I think it's in poor taste to write about the intimate details of an affair with a person who has died. If she had any integrity at all she should have written about it while Maharishi was alive. It's always interesting to watch the activity on FFLife go into hyperdrive whenever there's fresh meat from Maharishi's carcass. It's like watching a feeding frenzy of hungry jackals. It ain't pretty. Actually what ain't pretty is seeing the old TM teachers, pseudo-feminists and TM-bots just drooling for any excuse to enable Spiritual Rapists. Gawd this is a disgusting trend. Oops! Hit a nerve? Vaj sees nothing wrong with lying or promoting lies about Maharishi, but when someone like emptybill, who has no dog in the fight, presents information that questions Judith's motivation and truthfulness, rather than acknowledge there's room for doubt, he resorts to invectives. I'm not surprised. It's not possible to expect any better of him.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amy Winehouse and Vaj's denial
Like Amy, Vaj is no, no, no. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_1hasiYdgcfeature=channel David Letterman meets, for once, a real artist and makes a fool of himself: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlRF43-xaYcfeature=related Will you love me tomorrow: Amy Winehouse http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygxQu08g2mgfeature=related I die a hundred times: Amy Winehouse http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1evzhSast8
[FairfieldLife] Acoustic Amy Winehouse
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu7uPHtTJ4oNR=1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu7uPHtTJ4ofeature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmV6_oc2lwMfeature=related
[FairfieldLife] Re: Judith Bourque expose
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: Oops! Hit a nerve? Vaj sees nothing wrong with lying or promoting lies about Maharishi, but when someone like emptybill, who has no dog in the fight, presents information that questions Judith's motivation and truthfulness, rather than acknowledge there's room for doubt, he resorts to invectives. I'm not surprised. It's not possible to expect any better of him. Nor of The Turq. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmV6_oc2lwMNR=1
[FairfieldLife] Re: Judith Bourque expose
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptyb...@... wrote: I case you haven't seen this yet, here is some info that may give you pause ... at least to bracket what you have heard or read: http://conny-larsson-exposed.blogspot.com/2009/03/filmmaker-judith-bourq\ ue.html I did read all this before I read the book and it made me kind of skeptical going in. I don't share her current spiritual perspective as I understand it from her site. I expected her book to be flaky. I was wrong. The book isn't about her beliefs today, it is about physical events that happened a long time ago. Her book makes a compelling case that what she claims actually went down. Her details and evidence either stand on their own for you or they don't, but you have to read it to decide for yourself. She doesn't sound like a person who is confused about what happened many times over a period of about two years. She comes across as credible and very sensitive to the many perspectives that her experiences open up concerning an interesting and complex older man. If she wrote this book soon after it happened it would not be nearly as interesting and nuanced I'll bet. Introduction To Judith Bourque A Synopsis Although Conny Larsson continually attempts to portray himself as a sincere and bona fide psychic trance medium, meditation master and Vedic mantra acharya, he acts very much like a cult leader who operates on the premises of suppression and cover-ups. It is a fact that Conny Larsson solicited himself as a psychic trance medium for Maharshi Vyasa. It is also a fact the Conny Larsson and Judith Bourque purposely and knowingly falsified and removed information from the vedicmasterclass.org website in a brazen attempt to cover-up and suppress Conny Larsson's psychic trance medium claims. Instead of giving lip service to love, truth, compassion, healing and spirituality, Judith Bourque should first practice what she preaches. Falsifying testimonies and covering-up information for her psychic Guru do not speak well for Judith Bourque's spiritual integrity. Judith Bourque is an exemplary example of Conny Larsson's pseudo-spirituality. Judith Bourque - Conny Larsson's Cover-Up Cult Disciple On Conny Larsson's official website at vedicmasterclass.org, it was claimed (twice) that Conny Larsson was a psychic trance channel for the immortal sage, rishi chiranjeevin Vyasa http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vyasa . After bringing this information to the attention of the general public, Conny Larsson rushed to do damage control by changing his profile and by changing the written testimony of Judith Bourque (essentially falsifying her first-hand testimony as originally published on the vedicmasterclass.org domain since mid to late 2006 - February 2009). See the `before' and `after' screencaps: BEFORE (relevant text is highlighted) â' [http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_UpLjt2rfgx4/SNvqjb5Ve-I/Adw/qiNmmRrIg\ tQ/s200/trance-medium-conny-larsson-vyasa.gif] http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_UpLjt2rfgx4/SNvqjb5Ve-I/Adw/qiNmmRrIg\ tQ/s1600-h/trance-medium-conny-larsson-vyasa.gif Conny Larsson, Sweden/Cyprus - Founder of Vedic Mantra Meditation school in Europe. - Author and psychotherapist. Transchannel for `Vyaasa, the first Rishi' During the Master Class Conny guided participants in the knowledge of the Vedic Mantra systems with regard to the 7 chakras of the nervous system. As Vyaasa he channeled 4000 year old knowledge for the group as a whole and at times for us as individuals. He also took us through processes to expand our levels of consciousness. co...@... AFTER (note that the relevant text was removed) â' [BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5306883613618635842] http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_UpLjt2rfgx4/SaXWh44UhEI/Amg/kCPeEcCmM\ _Q/s1600-h/psychic-conny-larsson-vyasa2.gif Conny Larsson, Sweden/Cyprus Founder of Vedic Mantra Meditation school in Europe. - Author and psychotherapist. During the Master Class Conny guided participants in the knowledge of the Vedic Mantra systems with regard to the 7 chakras of the nervous system. He took us through processes to expand our levels of consciousness. co...@... BEFORE (relevant text is highlighted) â' [http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_UpLjt2rfgx4/SNvqk9y2J1I/Ad4/Dduj8tVZa\ Io/s200/trance-medium-vyasa-conny-larsson.gif] http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_UpLjt2rfgx4/SNvqk9y2J1I/Ad4/Dduj8tVZa\ Io/s1600-h/trance-medium-vyasa-conny-larsson.gif Meeting for the Masters' Class in Cypress was truly inspiring and an excellent example of how to spend a meaningful holiday. We were a group of teachers from several different countries, each bringing to the class an area of acquired knowledge and experience...Conny spoke about the seven different states of consciousness and also did some trance channeling of Vyaasa, `the first Rishi, or Seer'. That, for
[FairfieldLife] Re: Thanks for posting this Michael. Namaste !
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, pranamoocher bh...@... wrote: What's Vaj's real name? Is he really Indian or is this a stage name? J/C, not that its unusual to use another name. (P.S.--My real name is Pranadaham Mhoosheriam, Pranamoocher, for short). Just curious: there seems to be at least two possible interpretations for your first name: 1. praanaadaham (praanaat; aham: I [have become] from praana?) 2. praanadaaham (praana-daaham: the glowing, or stuff, of praana?) The first one seems highly unlikely, so the possible meaning is prolly the second one...
