date:20101230



On Dec 29, 2010, at 7:52 PM, RoryGoff wrote:


 Oops. Here's the disclaimer:

 Real experts don't count.

 Caveat emptor.

Let me guess. You're not a real expert, but you are absolutely  
certain you know some people who are. Right?



I guess you'll have to wait till my Spiritual Autobiography is released.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Earl Kaplan: Maharishi's darkness, draining student's consciousness



On Dec 29, 2010, at 7:53 PM, tartbrain wrote:



Oneness never lies.



Even if you're at one with SATAN? :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Earl Kaplan: Maharishi's darkness, draining student's consciousness

2010-12-30 Thread cardemaister


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutp...@... wrote:

 Don't mind me, I'm answering my own question from the higher Self: Avidya 
 itself is a kundalini blockage seen from the dynamic perspective of 
 prana/shakti. Any localization of consciousness created through pragya-parad 

(Can't resist...)

I guess you mean prajñaaparaadha (prajña + aparaadha)?

aparAdham. offence , transgression , fault ; mistake ; %{aparAdhaM} 1: 
%{kR} , to offend any one (gen.)

apa ind. (as a prefix to nouns and verbs , expresses) away , off , back 
(opposed to %{u4pa}

rADhA   f. beauty , splendour L. ; (sometimes written %{rArA}) N. of a 
district in the west of Bengal (= %{suhma}) and its capital Katha1s. Prab.
2   rADha   mf(%{I})n. belonging to the district of Ra1d2ha1 ; m. N. of a 
tribe of Bra1hmans belonging to that district IW. 210 , n. 1 ; Vangueria 
Spinosa L. (cf. %{rATha}).
3   rAdha   m. or n. = %{rA4dhas} , a gift , favour (only in 
%{radha...@patih}n. of Indra) RV. ; m. (fr. %{rAdhA}) N. of the month 
Vais3a1kha (= April-May) Ra1jat. ; of a man Buddh. ; (with %{gautama}) N. of 
two teachers Cat. ; (%{A}) f. see below.
4   rAdhA   f. prosperity , success L. ; (also du.) N. of the 21st 
Nakshatra Vis3a1kha1 (containing 4 stars in the form of a curve supposed to be 
%{a} , %{t} , %{v} , Librae , and $ Scorpionis cf. %{nakSatra}) L. ; lightning 
L. ; a partic. attitude in shooting (standing with the feet a span apart ; cf. 
%{-bhedhin} , %{-vedhin}) , Pracan2d2. ; Emblic Myrobolan L. ; Clytoria 
Ternatea L. ; N. of the foster-mother of Karn2a (q.v. ; she was the wife of 
Adhiratha , who was Su1ta or charioteer of king S3u1ra) MBh. (cf. IW. 377) ; of 
a celebrated cowherdess or Gopi (beloved by Kr2ishn2a , and a principal 
personage in Jaya-deva's poem Gitagovinda ; at a later period worshipped as a 
goddess , and occasionally regarded as an Avata1ra of Lakshmi1 , as Kr2ishn2a 
is of Vishn2u ; also identified with Da1ksha1yan2i1) Gi1t. Pan5cat. c. (cf. 
IW. 332) ; of a female slave Lalit.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Earl Kaplan: Maharishi's darkness, draining student's consciousness



On Dec 30, 2010, at 8:09 AM, cardemaister wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutp...@...  
wrote:


 Don't mind me, I'm answering my own question from the higher  
Self: Avidya itself is a kundalini blockage seen from the dynamic  
perspective of prana/shakti. Any localization of consciousness  
created through pragya-parad


(Can't resist...)

I guess you mean prajñaaparaadha (prajña + aparaadha)?



Yes, it's a concept from Ayurveda.

“Imbalance: Prajnaparadha”
by Dr. Robert E. Svoboda

Unless you are a saint, you will go out of balance and become sick  
from time to time. Occasional sickness is inevitable for a mortal;  
continuously perfect health does not exist on our planet. Every body- 
mind-spirit has some weak point, somewhere.


Prajnaparadha – literally, “an offense against wisdom” – happens  
whenever one part of you insists on an action that is detrimental to  
the rest of you. It happens when you know deep inside that something  
is not right for your body-mind-spirit, but you obstinately go ahead  
and do it anyway, ignoring Nature’s warnings.


Any part of you can perform prajnaparadha from the cancerous cell  
that rebels against the organism’s wisdom, to the mind that insists  
on its idiosyncratic version of reality. Ayurvedists who survey  
today’s world find prajnaparadha everywhere they look, and are not  
surprised to discover gargantuan imbalances emerging as rampant disease.


My mentor was very big on the real reality. “It is always better to  
live with reality,” he would say, “because otherwise, without fail,  
reality will come to live with you.” While you are a child you live  
in a world of seemingly unlimited possibilities. As you become an  
adult, limitations set in, and you learn that you have to live within  
your limits if you want to enjoy unimpeded flow.


Life without limits perverts your reality; it sours your sweetness,  
or turns it bitter. Sickness is “reality coming to live with you,”  
which is why it is all right to be sick. Sickness is Nature’s tap on  
your shoulder, her reminder to you that you have strayed from the  
path. When you open yourself to her again, and allow her to work  
within you, she will reawaken your body’s innate healing abilities to  
set things right.


Until you return to that path, Nature will go on reminding you, for  
as long as it takes – or until your viability as a body-mind-spirit  
complex expires. How well your natural healing mechanisms will work  
in any specific instance depends mainly on two things: how carefully  
you follow the appropriate regimen (without being stiff or humorless  
about it), and how much vitality your system retains. After all,  
everyone has to die of something.


When you are sick, you should ask yourself practical questions, such  
as how to change your ways so that your disease will disappear. Do  
not, however, fall into the trap of trying to figure out what you did  
to bring this on yourself. There is little to be gained by getting  
stuck on some simplistic cause-effect relationship when you are tying  
to extricate yourself from the jaws of a disease. You will do better  
to focus on regaining your health instead of trying to conduct an  
autopsy on how you went wrong.


Because it is always best to detect and correct imbalances while they  
are still incubating, it is useful to learn about your own physical,  
energetic, mental, and emotional “blind spots” and then try to keep a  
regular eye on them. You should try to pay attention to yourself when  
you are feeling fine, so that you will quickly take notice when you  
are not feeling right. The earlier you can detect that something is  
wrong with you, even if it is not detectable on any of the standard  
diagnostic tests, the sooner you can treat yourself and prevent the  
disease from needing to manifest itself fully. This also applies of  
course, to everyone you are parenting. It is good to keep a watch on  
your children, by such means as their pulses, voices, or food habits,  
and try to nip any problems in the bud.


You will find it easier to recognize blind spots if you can also  
identify strengths. Perhaps the most striking of the many differences  
between Ayurveda and Western medicine is that while the latter  
focuses on disease to the extent that it defines health as its  
absence, Ayurveda focuses on health. Ayurvedic diagnosis, therefore,  
begins with what is right with you: how well nourished, toned, and  
“excellent” your tissues are, and how effective your channels flow.


Reprinted with permission from Ayurveda For Women; A Guide To  
Vitality and Health by Dr. Robert E. Svoboda, Healing Arts Press.  
©2000 All Rights Reserved.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Earl Kaplan: The Matrix and Maharishi Occult Powers to siphon off energy

2010-12-30 Thread sparaig



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:

 Hey, Lawson!!
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote:
 
  Hey all, was bored and thought I'd let mysef get sucked into the
  mosh pit for a sec:
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@ wrote:
  
 [quoting Earl Kaplan]
   April 16, 2004
  
   I said, Maharishi, since you have the money and
   supposedly you have enough pundits, why don't you create
   a 10,000 group in India and then the world will experience
   peace and the TM movement will gain great support of the
   laws of nature and our other activities will work out.
   Mahesh looked at me like I was crazy and said Earl, if we 
   created the group then we don't know if it would create
   world peace or not. We would have to have the group and
   then see what the effect it has.
  
  I keep thinking there was an earlier draft of this letter 
  circulated where he quoted MMY as saying we don't know if
  that would happen or not not we don't know if it would
  create world peace or not.
 
 I dug around in the FFL archives a bit and couldn't find an
 earlier draft (according to Vaj, the one that Tom posted was
 the draft; as far as I can tell, it's the only version that's
 ever been posted or discussed on FFL).

That's entirely possible. This dates back quite a few years. My memory is often 
off.

 
 I wonder if you could be remembering someone *paraphrasing*
 what Kaplan said MMY said.

That's entirely possible. OTOH, MMY's normal phrasing doesn't sound much like 
what Kaplan said he said, so Kaplan may have been misremembering a bit, as well.
 
  IOW, we have no idea if the laws of nature will automatically
  support the continued existence of a group of 7000, just
  because it was created without infrastructure to support it.
  This later letter seems to plug this gaping hole in his logic
  which I recall pointing out on this forum when the first draft
  was circulated years ago.
 
 What gaping hole in his logic, specifically? Whose logic,
 MMY's or Kaplan's?

Kaplan's. Kaplan was asserting to MMY that once world peace was achieved, then 
money would magically appear for the 7000 group to continue. MMY said that 
there was no evidence [of something]. Kaplan said it was no evidence that 
world peace would be achieved, but that flies in the face of every public 
statement MMY has ever said. Even if he didn't believe it himself, why would he 
reveal such doubts to a major donor? More plausibly, to me, at least, is what I 
apparently misread: MMY was referring to the expectation that money would 
naturally flow to the TM coffers just because and was pointing out that there 
was no proof that that would happen.


 
 And are you suggesting that MMY was confident a group of
 10,000 (per the letter, not 7,000) would create world peace,
 but that it was possible that world peace would be created
 only temporarily and then would collapse again because the
 group couldn't be maintained due to lack of infrastructure?
 

Right. While I believe that MMY believed there was proof that some measurable 
improvement in world consciousness would happen when a 7000 group (whatever the 
magic number has to be these days) was brought together, its certainly possible 
that he would admit to not being sure about the continued funding.

Certainly, it makes sense that he would say such a thing to a major donor. It 
certainly does NOT make sense that he would express doubts about the very 
project he was hoping said donor would donate too. MMY, whatever else he was, 
was no fool when it came to getting people to donate money. Expressing doubts 
about the effectiveness of the group practice of the TM-Sidhis program is 
obviously counter to his entire history of being a canny fund-raiser, 
regardless of what he really believed.


 snip
  Its sad to see the same ole discussions going on. I may not
  have a life (yet) but I have found better ways to waste my
  time then rehashing arguments made over and over again over
  a period of many, many years.
 
 There are some new people here who weren't around for the
 earlier discussions. In any case, it's only natural that
 unresolved issues get rehashed, and the veracity/accuracy
 of Earl's letter is very much unresolved.
 
 In any case, this current discussion started after Tom
 had sarcastically described Earl's letter, Vaj disputed
 Tom's characterization, Tom posted the letter documenting
 that his description had been dead-on accurate, and Vaj
 did a fancy little backpedal-dance to avoid admitting that
 Tom had been correct.


Eh, the more things change...

Of course, Vaj will claim that he refuted Tom's characterization; you will 
claim that Vaj is lying; Vaj and others will make fun of your claim; etc.

Personally, I'm excited by the work that the David Lynch Foundation is doing. 
There's even a school here in Tucson, AZ that has received funning from the 
Foundation. Ironically, I'm pretty sure that its

[FairfieldLife] Re: Earl Kaplan: Maharishi's darkness, draining student's consciousness

2010-12-30 Thread sparaig



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:

 
 On Dec 29, 2010, at 7:53 PM, tartbrain wrote:
 
 
  Oneness never lies.
 
 
 Even if you're at one with SATAN? :-)


Actually, my recollection  is that even using Satan as one's Ishta-devata would 
eventually lead one to full enlightenment.

Which would explain why he tries to betray his followers whenever possible: he 
doesn't want them to gain enlightenment by following the path of devotion (even 
of him) so he betrays them so they will turn away before they gain benefit from 
their one-pointedness.

Just a thought.

There may be some allegorical nuggets for TM buried there somewhere, come to 
think of it.



Lawson

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Earl Kaplan: The Matrix and Maharishi Occult Powers to siphon off energy

On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 7:36 AM, sparaig lengli...@cox.net wrote:

 Eh, the more things change...

 Of course, Vaj will claim that he refuted Tom's characterization; you will
 claim that Vaj is lying; Vaj and others will make fun of your claim; etc.

 Personally, I'm excited by the work that the David Lynch Foundation is
 doing. There's even a school here in Tucson, AZ that has received *funning
 * from the Foundation. Ironically, I'm pretty sure that its the current
 incarnation of my alma mater, where the school counselor advised me to learn
 TM 37 years ago.

 Lawson


 Lawson, your kundalini block is leaking.  So, the David Lynch Foundation is
*funning *what you suspect is your former alma mater, eh?  The truth comes
out, no matter how much we try to keep it concealed.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Earl Kaplan: Maharishi's darkness, draining student's consciousness


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:

 
 On Dec 29, 2010, at 7:52 PM, RoryGoff wrote:
 
   Oops. Here's the disclaimer:
  
   Real experts don't count.
  
   Caveat emptor.
 
  Let me guess. You're not a real expert, but you are absolutely  
  certain you know some people who are. Right?
 
 
 I guess you'll have to wait till my Spiritual Autobiography is released.


Autobiography of a Vagi?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Earl Kaplan: Maharishi's darkness, draining student's consciousness



On Dec 30, 2010, at 9:37 AM, tartbrain wrote:



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:


 On Dec 29, 2010, at 7:52 PM, RoryGoff wrote:

   Oops. Here's the disclaimer:
  
   Real experts don't count.
  
   Caveat emptor.
 
  Let me guess. You're not a real expert, but you are absolutely
  certain you know some people who are. Right?


 I guess you'll have to wait till my Spiritual Autobiography is  
released.



Autobiography of a Vagi?


The Way of the Vaj I.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Earl Kaplan: Maharishi's darkness, draining student's consciousness


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:

 
 On Dec 30, 2010, at 9:37 AM, tartbrain wrote:
 
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
  
  
   On Dec 29, 2010, at 7:52 PM, RoryGoff wrote:
  
 Oops. Here's the disclaimer:

 Real experts don't count.

 Caveat emptor.
   
Let me guess. You're not a real expert, but you are absolutely
certain you know some people who are. Right?
  
  
   I guess you'll have to wait till my Spiritual Autobiography is  
  released.
  
 
  Autobiography of a Vagi?
 
 The Way of the Vaj I.

Your follow up book could be:

Inner Secrets of the Vaj

[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Jesus Really Born on December 25th?


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptyb...@... wrote:

 Only because no one expresses any awareness of this fact.
 Just the usual ...  little baby jesus, may he be born in us.
 he 
 If you knew then at least that makes at least two.
 



Which is sort of ironic, or perhaps symbolic, since he's a figment of our 
collective, historical imagination. There is no historical proof, Judaic or 
Roman, that he ever existed. So if Saturn represents emptiness, then its 
fitting that the holiday to celebrate the savior that was not, would be with a 
celebration to the God of emptiness.


 





 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote:
  
   Good gosh ...  is there not even a single person here who
   knows that Saturnalia was the pagan origin of Christmas?
 
  Why would you think that because *one* person here seems
  not to know, nobody else does either?
 
 
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote:
   
It may have been too cold at that time period to perform a census
   count.
   
http://christmasxmas.xanga.com/395124709/item/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Earl Kaplan: Maharishi's darkness, draining student's consciousness



   Why do we have only the draft version of Earl's 
   letter?
  
  Subject: Re: earl kaplan letter rendered readable
  
authfriend:
 None of these links is relevant to my question,
 as you know.

So, where is the final version of the Kaplan letter?

Subject: Re: earl kaplan letter rendered readable
Author: Michael
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
Date: August 6, 2004
http://tinyurl.com/2e8a2qh

[FairfieldLife] Re: Earl Kaplan: Maharishi's darkness, draining student's consciousness


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutp...@... wrote:

 Don't mind me, I'm answering my own question from the higher Self: Avidya 
 itself is a kundalini blockage seen from the dynamic perspective of 
 prana/shakti. Any localization of consciousness created through pragya-parad 
 his its accompanying physiology in the body. These physiological blocks 
 start in the most subtle bodies and move through to the gross eventually. 
 They have no ultimate reality for they are structured only in the lack of 
 recognition of the non-relative nature of consciousness. While much can and 
 has been made of the removal of these blocks through tapas, sadhana, 
 healing, etc., the best approach is the actual recognition of consciousness 
 by consciousness. End of transmission.
 

So is it the chicken or the egg --or neither. That is does the removal of 
blockages enable recognition of consciousness by consciousness, or that having 
been done, the spiritual chakras are like christmas tree decorations -- 
celebrating the event of RecConCon.  



 --- On Wed, 12/29/10, whynotnow7 whynotn...@... wrote:
 
  From: whynotnow7 whynotn...@...
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Earl Kaplan: Maharishi's darkness, draining 
  student's consciousness
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  Date: Wednesday, December 29, 2010, 9:06 PM
  Whether significant blockages
  (quantify?) occur, or not, the whole point of TM is that the
  person doing it continues to transcend straight through the
  blockages, by continuing to do TM. Not always a pretty
  sight, and not necessarily in a straight line either- More
  like the path a bolt of lightning follows up from earth.
  Nonetheless effective, if a person chooses to go with it.
  That is my personal experience, by no means an absolute.
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
  Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
  
   
   On Dec 29, 2010, at 7:07 PM, Peter wrote:
   
Kundalini blocks? This is so ridiculous.
  Please, for the love of God, will someone tell me how such a
  block works, how it is installed and is there a maintenance
  contract on it! 
   
   
   Simple. The shakti will just naturally take the path
  of least resistance. Once diverted, mental and physical
  doshas will accumulate at the point of diversion: ta da.
   
   But neurologically it's not well understood.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Earl also went on to say...



Bhairitu:
 TM is nothing more than a technique for the
 masses...

So, TM is the most popular form of meditation in 
India and masses of people practice it twice a day. 
If so, then maybe TM is the best practice for most 
people. 

Unless you're thinking you're more elite and 
deserve better teaching than everyone else. 

But not everyone has the leisure time to travel 
to India to rub shoulders with fakirs and pundits,
or to live alone in a cave to practice tantric
techniques for hours a day, and still raise a 
family and earn a living.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Earl also went on to say...



  There's more below what I lifted and posted here...
 
authfriend:
 This is also in the letter in the Files section.
 
 I still want to know: What's the story with the final
 version? Or was there never a final version?
 
According to George deForrest, Earl mailed out numerous
copies of his letter. Rick probably got a copy of the 
final version. Go figure.

Subject: Re: earl kaplan letter
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
Author: George deForrest
Date: August 5, 2004
http://tinyurl.com/3amdcjx

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Earl Kaplan: Maharishi's darkness, draining student's consciousness

2010-12-30 Thread Peter

Yes, something like that! ;-)

--- On Thu, 12/30/10, cardemaister no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 From: cardemaister no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Earl Kaplan: Maharishi's darkness, draining 
 student's consciousness
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Thursday, December 30, 2010, 8:09 AM
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
 Peter drpetersutp...@... wrote:
 
  Don't mind me, I'm answering my own question from the
 higher Self: Avidya itself is a kundalini blockage seen
 from the dynamic perspective of prana/shakti. Any
 localization of consciousness created through pragya-parad 
 
 (Can't resist...)
 
 I guess you mean prajñaaparaadha (prajña + aparaadha)?
 
 aparAdha    m. offence , transgression ,
 fault ; mistake ; %{aparAdhaM} 1: %{kR} , to offend any one
 (gen.)
 
 apa    ind. (as a prefix to nouns and verbs
 , expresses) away , off , back (opposed to %{u4pa}
 
     rADhA    f. beauty ,
 splendour L. ; (sometimes written %{rArA}) N. of a district
 in the west of Bengal (= %{suhma}) and its capital Katha1s.
 Prab.
 2    rADha    mf(%{I})n.
 belonging to the district of Ra1d2ha1 ; m. N. of a tribe of
 Bra1hmans belonging to that district IW. 210 , n. 1 ;
 Vangueria Spinosa L. (cf. %{rATha}).
 3    rAdha    m. or n. =
 %{rA4dhas} , a gift , favour (only in %{radha...@patih}n. of
 Indra) RV. ; m. (fr. %{rAdhA}) N. of the month Vais3a1kha (=
 April-May) Ra1jat. ; of a man Buddh. ; (with %{gautama}) N.
 of two teachers Cat. ; (%{A}) f. see below.
 4    rAdhA    f. prosperity ,
 success L. ; (also du.) N. of the 21st Nakshatra Vis3a1kha1
 (containing 4 stars in the form of a curve supposed to be
 %{a} , %{t} , %{v} , Librae , and $ Scorpionis cf.
 %{nakSatra}) L. ; lightning L. ; a partic. attitude in
 shooting (standing with the feet a span apart ; cf.
 %{-bhedhin} , %{-vedhin}) , Pracan2d2. ; Emblic Myrobolan L.
 ; Clytoria Ternatea L. ; N. of the foster-mother of Karn2a
 (q.v. ; she was the wife of Adhiratha , who was Su1ta or
 charioteer of king S3u1ra) MBh. (cf. IW. 377) ; of a
 celebrated cowherdess or Gopi (beloved by Kr2ishn2a , and a
 principal personage in Jaya-deva's poem Gitagovinda ; at a
 later period worshipped as a goddess , and occasionally
 regarded as an Avata1ra of Lakshmi1 , as Kr2ishn2a is of
 Vishn2u ; also identified with Da1ksha1yan2i1) Gi1t.
 Pan5cat. c. (cf. IW. 332) ; of a female slave Lalit.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Nancy Cooks passing

2010-12-30 Thread Sal Sunshine

On Dec 30, 2010, at 12:13 AM, merudanda wrote:

 Nancy Cooke de Herrera and the Beatles 

Different Nancy Cook, meru.

Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: Earl Kaplan: Maharishi's darkness, draining student's consciousness

I read that first draft you sent out. Here is my feedback:

1. Nice photoshop job on the front cover, substituting your face for Buddha's 
on that statue.
2. Pages should be numbered sequentially, unless you are looking to 
intentionally confuse your readers.
3. References, references, references. You oughta cite your sources to be 
credible.
4. Finally, five pages total length is just too short to be considered for a 
book. Especially written in crayon.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:

 
 On Dec 30, 2010, at 9:37 AM, tartbrain wrote:
 
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
  
  
   On Dec 29, 2010, at 7:52 PM, RoryGoff wrote:
  
 Oops. Here's the disclaimer:

 Real experts don't count.

 Caveat emptor.
   
Let me guess. You're not a real expert, but you are absolutely
certain you know some people who are. Right?
  
  
   I guess you'll have to wait till my Spiritual Autobiography is  
  released.
  
 
  Autobiography of a Vagi?
 
 The Way of the Vaj I.

[FairfieldLife] How does this Energy Siphoning and Kundalini Blocking Really Work? (was 2011)

Thanks for the reply Doug. However, I am not following your response.  

Let's focus on two things: placement of kundalini blocks and siphoning off of 
significant amounts of energy.

First, I am assuming that some spiritual diversion pipes / channels (for both 
kunblocks and energy siphoning) are put in place once, and doesn't need to be 
restablished at each sitting. If so, where and when do these pipes get 
installed?  During initiations with puja? That would seem odd given SBS's 
presence during the puja. But what thing during initiation constructs these 
pipes? The puja? That doesn't fit because our puja is really quite a commonly 
used puja -- with the exception of the the specificity of SBS as the focus. Are 
you implying SBS is part of this plot? 

Or does the mantra set the pipes? That would seem odd given the bija mantras 
are used extensively by others. Or is it the process it self -- like maybe by 
letting go, we open ourselves up to the controlled astral beings who do the 
dirty work. Or is it the checking procedure. Now we are getting somewhere for I 
always thought the complete set of checking notes (is it up to 4000 pages) was 
the devil's work. (It was certainly hellish to memorize exactly, word for word)

Or is it Only in the Domes that the kblock and energy syph piping occurs. That 
is, regular meditators don't get pipped, its only in the Domes that that 
occurs. That would be more plausible. In that scenario the under controlled 
astal beings may be hovering in the domes and  
sucking up the energy, via or alongside placing the blocks during each session. 

However if that is true, the domes are sort of spiritual gas chambers - they 
are killing off the spiritual essence of the Domers. So why would you want to 
play the role of a spiritual Eichman trying to round up as many people as 
possible to get spiritually killed in the Domes?

Ah, but you say the mature, suave and sophisticated FF seeker has other magic 
from Sri Vidya, Janet Sussmen, various healers and others to ward off this 
black magic of piping, blocking  and syphoning. OK. Lets accept that premise 
and assume that these sophisticated siddhas have extra non-TMO stuff that 
protects them from getting energy syponed off in the Domes. Does this involve 
doing non-TMO practices in the Domes? 

I think most agree that would be a no no -- or are you advocating that the 
domes become a spiritual bazar with every one doing their thing in the domes? 
Regardless of that, why would the protected ones have any desire or 
inclination to go to the Domes and watch the many unprotected ones spiritually 
being put to death? And why would you, or Earl, or anyone hip to the real truth 
want to live in FF. Thats like saying, I love living here in spiritual 
Auschwitz. 

I would be most appreciative if you can address these specific questions and 
let us know how this whole kundalini blocking and substantial energy siphoning 
actually works. Since you are good friends with Earl, and he apparently is 
still in FF, perhaps you could  
ask him for more specificity of how this whole thing works.

'-

PS, just thinking out loud, could the energy from the Domes, dissolving 
samsaras and lighting p darkness in Collective Consciousness be SEEN by these 
non-TMO physics and yogis as energy stealing? 


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony...@... wrote:

 Tart,
 
 Seriously, people have mostly graduated beyond that. Many here sit up and are 
 disciplined now in Shri Vidya practices that protect from your concerns.  
 
 TM folks might not be very well embodied or connected to heart and root 
 chakras but its not generally a problem the way you are stating it as folks 
 attend to their spiritual practice except possibly for a few afflicted TB'er 
 souls.  
 
 If they have not been able to seek the help of the stream of sat gurus who 
 flow through or have gone to India before then John Douglas has been very 
 helpful with his spiritual help and practices that he gives to people.  The 
 real inside TM people have facilitated him and he has been quite helpful that 
 way if folks can not allow themselves to be with the Ammas that way.  All 
 along, Janet Sussman had also been very helpful with the way you are 
 wondering.  She has moved from the community but she is still available to 
 help people with their energy systems and embodiment.  
 
 Yes, there certainly is sad dispirited feeling in the dome about the failing 
 of the movement and the latent background fear that people might always loose 
 their eligibility to be in the domes for having visited saints, holy people 
 and spiritual teachers.  But that aside, the spiritual experience as the 
 large group meditation experiment is still quite compelling.  Hence people 
 are here and want to be there for good reasons.
 
 If people are eligible and they can come, they ought to come back and help 
 out.  That would be quite high-minded.  It's pretty nice here

[FairfieldLife] Re: Earl Kaplan: Maharishi's darkness, draining student's consciousness



 Real experts don't count.
 
Apparently Real experts count for nothing.

What is really strange about this story is that 
according to my sources the Sri Yantra was never 
stolen from the Jyotirmath. It's still there 
sitting on the altar where Guru Dev placed it. 

Professor Sawyer stated that he knew nothing 
about a stolen Jyotirmath Sri Yantra. Go figure.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Earl Kaplan: The Matrix and Maharishi Occult Powers to siphon off energy

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig lengli...@... wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
snip
  And are you suggesting that MMY was confident a group of
  10,000 (per the letter, not 7,000) would create world peace,
  but that it was possible that world peace would be created
  only temporarily and then would collapse again because the
  group couldn't be maintained due to lack of infrastructure?
 
 Right. While I believe that MMY believed there was proof that
 some measurable improvement in world consciousness would
 happen when a 7000 group (whatever the magic number has to be
 these days) was brought together, its certainly possible that
 he would admit to not being sure about the continued funding.
 
 Certainly, it makes sense that he would say such a thing to a
 major donor. It certainly does NOT make sense that he would
 express doubts about the very project he was hoping said donor 
 would donate too. MMY, whatever else he was, was no fool when
 it came to getting people to donate money. Expressing doubts
 about the effectiveness of the group practice of the TM-Sidhis 
 program is obviously counter to his entire history of being a
 canny fund-raiser, regardless of what he really believed.

That makes sense to me (what you said).

However, MMY wasn't quite canny enough to foresee how Earl
would misunderstand (or perhaps misrepresent) what MMY
told him.

Your analysis is in line with what I've always thought about
the issue of why MMY didn't use TMO funds to establish big
groups: He thought it was essential that parties other than 
the TMO (ideally governments) fund the groups so they had an
investment (financial, psychological, political) in the
results and could claim credit for them. If they owned the
results, they'd have an interest in continuing to fund them.

[FairfieldLife] Fw: Earl-discussion

 

 

From: joerg dao [mailto:joerg...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 1:58 AM
To: r...@searchsummit.com
Subject: Earl-discussion

 

 http://joerg.8m.com/vedas/doe1.html http://joerg.8m.com/vedas/doe1.html

Hi Rick,

that discussion about the Earl-insights was already in
2004.

I wrote  a liitle reply than.

cheers

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Nancy Cooks passing

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of merudanda
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 12:13 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Nancy Cooks passing

 

  

Yes,
 let's cherish her light  in happy memory and farwell in our heart for three
days
and talk/write about her, as tradition demands, after 7 days and then  ask
Rick Archer to kindly share with us more about her departure or anything
more he want to share with us
and we may do the same

It's not Nancy Cook de Herrera who passed, but Nancy Cook, who lived in FF
for many years.

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Nancy Cooks passing

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of m2smart4u2000
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 10:43 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Nancy Cooks passing

what happened to Nancy? She was a beautiful lady

Liver cancer. Reportedly she hadn't been feeling well and was just diagnosed
about 6 weeks ago.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Earl Kaplan: Maharishi's darkness, draining student's consciousness

2010-12-30 Thread wayback71



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutp...@... wrote:

 Don't mind me, I'm answering my own question from the higher Self: Avidya 
 itself is a kundalini blockage seen from the dynamic perspective of 
 prana/shakti. Any localization of consciousness created through pragya-parad 
 his its accompanying physiology in the body. These physiological blocks 
 start in the most subtle bodies and move through to the gross eventually. 
 They have no ultimate reality for they are structured only in the lack of 
 recognition of the non-relative nature of consciousness. While much can and 
 has been made of the removal of these blocks through tapas, sadhana, 
 healing, etc., the best approach is the actual recognition of consciousness 
 by consciousness. End of transmission.


Very nicely said, Peter.  Especially the the best approach is the actual etc. 
 Not that I know from my own experience, but it certainly rings true somehow.

 
 --- On Wed, 12/29/10, whynotnow7 whynotn...@... wrote:
 
  From: whynotnow7 whynotn...@...
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Earl Kaplan: Maharishi's darkness, draining 
  student's consciousness
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  Date: Wednesday, December 29, 2010, 9:06 PM
  Whether significant blockages
  (quantify?) occur, or not, the whole point of TM is that the
  person doing it continues to transcend straight through the
  blockages, by continuing to do TM. Not always a pretty
  sight, and not necessarily in a straight line either- More
  like the path a bolt of lightning follows up from earth.
  Nonetheless effective, if a person chooses to go with it.
  That is my personal experience, by no means an absolute.
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
  Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
  
   
   On Dec 29, 2010, at 7:07 PM, Peter wrote:
   
Kundalini blocks? This is so ridiculous.
  Please, for the love of God, will someone tell me how such a
  block works, how it is installed and is there a maintenance
  contract on it! 
   
   
   Simple. The shakti will just naturally take the path
  of least resistance. Once diverted, mental and physical
  doshas will accumulate at the point of diversion: ta da.
   
   But neurologically it's not well understood.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Earl also went on to say...

2010-12-30 Thread Bhairitu

On 12/30/2010 07:23 AM, WillyTex wrote:

 Bhairitu:
 TM is nothing more than a technique for the
 masses...

 So, TM is the most popular form of meditation in
 India and masses of people practice it twice a day.

What proof of that do you have? :-D

 If so, then maybe TM is the best practice for most
 people.

Show TM and it's mantras to any seasoned yogi and they will have 
problems with it.

 Unless you're thinking you're more elite and
 deserve better teaching than everyone else.

You wouldn't get a better teaching with that attitude because it shows 
ego and the gurus will turn you down.

 But not everyone has the leisure time to travel
 to India to rub shoulders with fakirs and pundits,
 or to live alone in a cave to practice tantric
 techniques for hours a day, and still raise a
 family and earn a living.

So hence that is why their are techniques for the masses but you also 
don't have to travel to India nor sit in a cave to learn advanced 
tantric techniques either.  Think of it like learning to play a guitar.  
Some people are satisfied to play a few songs with a few chords while 
others choose to master the instrument.  Are the latter elite?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Shani Claus

Nicely said, Ravi, many thanks. 

Yes, agreed on all points; we apparently have a great many pain-bodies 
(separate Egos -- which are by definition utterly insane) in Us which need 
virtually infinite loving attention to integrate and heal, and very like 
Kundalini, fever is a most excellent way to do that! :-)

Love, Light, and Laughter always and all-ways!

:-D

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raviyogi2009 no_re...@... wrote:

 Thanks Rory. Psychosis occurred at the end of my Kundalini high - the
 first time for a few hours in Nov 09 and the second in late May for 4
 days, my highs ranged from 3 weeks the first time and 5 the next. The
 psychosis was nothing but an ego coping mechanism of the peak and after
 the peak the energy dissipated slowly in a week or two. There would a
 crash after as I made sense of what had happened giving rise to a new
 understanding, balance and integration.  I felt I transitioned to a new
 state or vibration where I felt, to borrow your terms - crucified and
 resurrected..:-), some made fun of it but it's just a beautiful
 metaphor.
 I could compare psychosis with fever. Fever being a coping mechanism of
 the body to deal with invading parasites whereas psychosis being the
 result of the body-mind-ego trying to deal with the overwhelming energy
 that was descending in droves (from an ego perspective it was invasion).
 So psychosis was a survival mechanism similar to fever, in fact I
 thought I was dying, many times. My kid used to have a shirt that had
 the words survivor kid on it. The mind is the real survivor kid, its
 survival instinct is so great that I find it hilarious. With the grace
 of Guru or the existence I was able to reach this insanely sane
 state..:-).
 Fever is not sickness, it is a sign of healing, it is a doorway to
 becoming healthy. In a similar way psychosis was a sure sign that Her
 work was coming to an end and that I was on the verge on becoming
 healthy again and be healed, that I would be reaching home, sweet home
 soon.
 There are stupid doctors and retarded psychologists not to forget the
 patients themselves who will condemn fever and psychosis, this list has
 a few but they miss the point - you can attack the fever and the
 psychosis but you stop the healing. When I was high I made a video and
 comments on this list that - I was both the doctor and the patient -
 everyone missed the metaphor.
 Love - Ravi.
 P.S - loved the Home Tat Sat part.
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote:
 
  Beautifully put, Ravi, many thanks!
 
  And I wouldn't be too quick to label your kundalini-episode a
 psychosis. If anything, She was removing pyschoses, but even amidst your
 bumpy ride, you have always looked quite sane to me (FWIW).
 
  Home Tat Sat!
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raviyogi2009 no_reply@ wrote:
  
   Thanks for clarifying that. I was a bit shocked when you just said
   nothing happens and left it at that. Yes everything happens but
 nothing
   does happen, Nothingness is indeed a beautiful word, it is
 expansive
   yet is nothing in the dictionary sense.
   The comment on the stories of growth through archetypes is spot on -
   during my Kundalini psychosis I felt like I was playing the roles of
 my
   father, my mother, my brother and my son. I was the victim, the
   aggressor; the hunter and hunted, saint and sinner, the pain, wounds
   that were healed was tremendous - it was just surreal.
   Yet after all that I felt like I was just sitting at home in peace
 and
   really nothing happened even though it felt like I wandered all over
 the
   world to reach home..:-)
  
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote:
   
Yes, Vaj, a pretty long nothing by some standards.
   
Does nothing have to be short in your world?
   
In mine, nothing includes everything throughout the realms of
   spacetime -- that is, everything  appears to happen, but in reality,
   doesn't.
   
That includes the stories of growth perceived through our Inner
   Archetypes, including the various dramas of hurt, victimization,
 rage,
   rescue, demons, angels, subtle realms, ignorance, enlightenment,
 growth,
   and so on.
   
All real enough on their own levels, to be sure, but really, just
 more
   of me to love!
   
I am very, very fat! A big, fat nothing!
   
:-)
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:


 On Dec 28, 2010, at 3:34 PM, RoryGoff wrote:

  Actually not, Vaj. For me the various Initiations, like all
 models
   of growth and progress, are actually themselves stories or dramas of
 our
   inner Archetypes: powerful, moving, enjoyable, supremely useful for
   self-exploration, but ultimately unreal.
 
  Really, nothing ever happens! :-D


 Pretty long nothing:

 Rory Goff: A Spiritual Autobiography

[FairfieldLife] Re: Earl Kaplan: Maharishi's darkness, draining student's consciousness



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:

 
 On Dec 29, 2010, at 7:52 PM, RoryGoff wrote:
 
   Oops. Here's the disclaimer:
  
   Real experts don't count.
  
   Caveat emptor.
 
  Let me guess. You're not a real expert, but you are absolutely  
  certain you know some people who are. Right?
 
 
 I guess you'll have to wait till my Spiritual Autobiography is released.

Nice deflection! Looks to be clearly indicative of a kundalini-blockage. 

Shall we call it the Vajranadi false-rising?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Earl Kaplan: Maharishi's darkness, draining student's consciousness

Good call!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff roryg...@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
 
  
  On Dec 29, 2010, at 7:52 PM, RoryGoff wrote:
  
Oops. Here's the disclaimer:
   
Real experts don't count.
   
Caveat emptor.
  
   Let me guess. You're not a real expert, but you are absolutely  
   certain you know some people who are. Right?
  
  
  I guess you'll have to wait till my Spiritual Autobiography is released.
 
 Nice deflection! Looks to be clearly indicative of a kundalini-blockage. 
 
 Shall we call it the Vajranadi false-rising?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Earl Kaplan: Maharishi's darkness, draining student's consciousness

More of me to love! I am getting fatter all the time! :-)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotn...@... wrote:

 Good call!
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote:
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
  
   
   On Dec 29, 2010, at 7:52 PM, RoryGoff wrote:
   
 Oops. Here's the disclaimer:

 Real experts don't count.

 Caveat emptor.
   
Let me guess. You're not a real expert, but you are absolutely  
certain you know some people who are. Right?
   
   
   I guess you'll have to wait till my Spiritual Autobiography is released.
  
  Nice deflection! Looks to be clearly indicative of a kundalini-blockage. 
  
  Shall we call it the Vajranadi false-rising?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Earl Kaplan: Maharishi's darkness, draining student's consciousness

The Omniscient, Omnipresent, All Powerful Creator aka tubby.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff roryg...@... wrote:

 More of me to love! I am getting fatter all the time! :-)
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote:
 
  Good call!
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote:
  
   
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
   

On Dec 29, 2010, at 7:52 PM, RoryGoff wrote:

  Oops. Here's the disclaimer:
 
  Real experts don't count.
 
  Caveat emptor.

 Let me guess. You're not a real expert, but you are absolutely  
 certain you know some people who are. Right?


I guess you'll have to wait till my Spiritual Autobiography is released.
   
   Nice deflection! Looks to be clearly indicative of a kundalini-blockage. 
   
   Shall we call it the Vajranadi false-rising?

[FairfieldLife] some very nice experiences of transcendence


Some very nice experiences of transcendence

 

http://www.tm.org/blog/enlightenment/jesus-christ-kingdom-god-within-you/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Earl Kaplan: Maharishi's darkness, draining student's consciousness



On Dec 30, 2010, at 12:38 PM, RoryGoff wrote:

 I guess you'll have to wait till my Spiritual Autobiography is  
released.


Nice deflection! Looks to be clearly indicative of a kundalini- 
blockage.


Shall we call it the Vajranadi false-rising?


I wouldn't steal your nickname, don't worry, I've already got plenty!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Earl Kaplan: Maharishi's darkness, draining student's consciousness

*lol* Just don't think about the Sta-Puft Marshmallow Man!

...too late.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotn...@... wrote:

 The Omniscient, Omnipresent, All Powerful Creator aka tubby.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote:
 
  More of me to love! I am getting fatter all the time! :-)
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote:
  
   Good call!
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote:
   


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:

 
 On Dec 29, 2010, at 7:52 PM, RoryGoff wrote:
 
   Oops. Here's the disclaimer:
  
   Real experts don't count.
  
   Caveat emptor.
 
  Let me guess. You're not a real expert, but you are absolutely  
  certain you know some people who are. Right?
 
 
 I guess you'll have to wait till my Spiritual Autobiography is 
 released.

Nice deflection! Looks to be clearly indicative of a 
kundalini-blockage. 

Shall we call it the Vajranadi false-rising?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Jesus Really Born on December 25th?

Theological research shows that Jesus existed historically.  The main witnesses 
were the gospel writers, St. Paul, their disciples and the followers of Jesus 
at the time of his life in Judea.

There was also an independent Roman historian by the name of Josephus who 
mentioned the existence of Jesus in Palestine.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_re...@... wrote:

 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote:
 
  Only because no one expresses any awareness of this fact.
  Just the usual ...  little baby jesus, may he be born in us.
  he 
  If you knew then at least that makes at least two.
  
 
 
 
 Which is sort of ironic, or perhaps symbolic, since he's a figment of our 
 collective, historical imagination. There is no historical proof, Judaic or 
 Roman, that he ever existed. So if Saturn represents emptiness, then its 
 fitting that the holiday to celebrate the savior that was not, would be with 
 a celebration to the God of emptiness.
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote:
   
Good gosh ...  is there not even a single person here who
knows that Saturnalia was the pagan origin of Christmas?
  
   Why would you think that because *one* person here seems
   not to know, nobody else does either?
  
  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote:

 It may have been too cold at that time period to perform a census
count.

 http://christmasxmas.xanga.com/395124709/item/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Jesus Really Born on December 25th?

Josephus and his school were the ones who wrote the gospels and created the 
historical Jesus as a Roman state religion for the Flavians to counteract the 
Jewish problem, if Joseph Atwill (Caesar's Messiah) is correct.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_...@... wrote:

 Theological research shows that Jesus existed historically.  The main 
 witnesses were the gospel writers, St. Paul, their disciples and the 
 followers of Jesus at the time of his life in Judea.
 
 There was also an independent Roman historian by the name of Josephus who 
 mentioned the existence of Jesus in Palestine.
 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote:
 
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote:
  
   Only because no one expresses any awareness of this fact.
   Just the usual ...  little baby jesus, may he be born in us.
   he 
   If you knew then at least that makes at least two.
   
  
  
  
  Which is sort of ironic, or perhaps symbolic, since he's a figment of our 
  collective, historical imagination. There is no historical proof, Judaic or 
  Roman, that he ever existed. So if Saturn represents emptiness, then its 
  fitting that the holiday to celebrate the savior that was not, would be 
  with a celebration to the God of emptiness.
  
  
   
  
  
  
  
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote:

 Good gosh ...  is there not even a single person here who
 knows that Saturnalia was the pagan origin of Christmas?
   
Why would you think that because *one* person here seems
not to know, nobody else does either?
   
   
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote:
 
  It may have been too cold at that time period to perform a census
 count.
 
  http://christmasxmas.xanga.com/395124709/item/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Earl Kaplan: Maharishi's darkness, draining student's consciousness



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:

 
 On Dec 30, 2010, at 12:38 PM, RoryGoff wrote:
 
   I guess you'll have to wait till my Spiritual Autobiography is  
  released.
  
  Nice deflection! Looks to be clearly indicative of a kundalini- 
  blockage.
 
  Shall we call it the Vajranadi false-rising?
 
 I wouldn't steal your nickname, don't worry, I've already got plenty!

Any you are tired of, just give them all to me; I will eat them all.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Jesus Really Born on December 25th?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_...@... wrote:

 Theological research shows that Jesus existed historically.
 The main witnesses were the gospel writers, St. Paul, their 
 disciples and the followers of Jesus at the time of his life
 in Judea.

The Gospels were all written many decades after Jesus'
death. St. Paul never knew Jesus in the flesh either. And
those who followed him during his lifetime didn't write
any of the Bible.

 There was also an independent Roman historian by the name
 of Josephus who mentioned the existence of Jesus in
 Palestine.

There's some question about whether this mention was a later
addition.

On the other hand, it's hard to imagine how the Jesus legend
that has come down to us could have developed in a vacuum,
without there having been some individual who made a pretty
strong impression at the time.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Jesus Really Born on December 25th?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote:
 
  Theological research shows that Jesus existed historically.
  The main witnesses were the gospel writers, St. Paul, their 
  disciples and the followers of Jesus at the time of his life
  in Judea.
 
 The Gospels were all written many decades after Jesus'
 death. St. Paul never knew Jesus in the flesh either. And
 those who followed him during his lifetime didn't write
 any of the Bible.

IOW, we have no accounts of Jesus from anyone who was around
at the time, so witnesses is just not an appropriate term.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Was Jesus Really Born on December 25th?

On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 2:07 PM, authfriend jst...@panix.com wrote:



 On the other hand, it's hard to imagine how the Jesus legend
 that has come down to us could have developed in a vacuum,
 without there having been some individual who made a pretty
 strong impression at the time.



Rick Archer gave me this link a few years ago when I was on IA.  'splains a
lot.
 http://www.zeitgeistthefilm.com/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Earl Kaplan: Maharishi's darkness, draining student's consciousness

Yogic flyer with Kundalini blockage:
http://www.fantasygallery.net/chang/art_6_Green-Faerie.html

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff roryg...@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
 
  
  On Dec 29, 2010, at 7:52 PM, RoryGoff wrote:
  
Oops. Here's the disclaimer:
   
Real experts don't count.
   
Caveat emptor.
  
   Let me guess. You're not a real expert, but you are absolutely  
   certain you know some people who are. Right?
  
  
  I guess you'll have to wait till my Spiritual Autobiography is released.
 
 Nice deflection! Looks to be clearly indicative of a kundalini-blockage. 
 
 Shall we call it the Vajranadi false-rising?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Was Jesus Really Born on December 25th?

On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 2:09 PM, authfriend jst...@panix.com wrote:

 IOW, we have no accounts of Jesus from anyone who was around
 at the time, so witnesses is just not an appropriate term.



But the Bible is the word of God.  Says so right in there, I'm told.  So
it's by its very nature, true, right?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Earl Kaplan: Maharishi's darkness, draining student's consciousness [1 Attachment]

On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 1:17 PM, yifuxero yifux...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Yogic flyer with Kundalini blockage:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Earl Kaplan: Maharishi's darkness, draining student's consciousness

2010-12-30 Thread nablusoss1008



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote:

 
 
  Real experts don't count.
  
 Apparently Real experts count for nothing.
 
 What is really strange about this story is that 
 according to my sources the Sri Yantra was never 
 stolen from the Jyotirmath. It's still there 
 sitting on the altar where Guru Dev placed it. 
 
 Professor Sawyer stated that he knew nothing 
 about a stolen Jyotirmath Sri Yantra. Go figure.


It's just another of Vaj's many fabrications.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Earl Kaplan: Maharishi's darkness, draining student's consciousness

2010-12-30 Thread seventhray1



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_re...@... wrote:
   Autobiography of a Vagi?
  
  The Way of the Vaj I.
 
 Your follow up book could be:
 
 Inner Secrets of the Vaj

Or maybe The Vaj Monologues

[FairfieldLife] Re: Earl Kaplan: Maharishi's darkness, draining student's consciousness

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sun...@... wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote:
Autobiography of a Vagi?
   
   The Way of the Vaj I.
  
  Your follow up book could be:
  
  Inner Secrets of the Vaj
 
 Or maybe The Vaj Monologues

LOL. Also known as The Vjj Monologues.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Earl Kaplan: Maharishi's darkness, draining student's consciousness


On Dec 30, 2010, at 4:02 PM, seventhray1 wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_re...@... wrote:
Autobiography of a Vagi?
   
   The Way of the Vaj I.
  
  Your follow up book could be:
  
  Inner Secrets of the Vaj
 
 Or maybe The Vaj Monologues


A keeper!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Jesus Really Born on December 25th?

2010-12-30 Thread seventhray1



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_re...@... wrote:

 Which is sort of ironic, or perhaps symbolic, since he's a figment of
our collective, historical imagination. There is no historical proof,
Judaic or Roman, that he ever existed.

I've often heard this expressed.   I guess I can more easily consider
that Krishna never existed since he had attributes quite out of the
ordinary.  But how do you figure that Jesus did not exist, any more than
say Socrates, or Ghengis Khan.  How do we know that they existed?  What
is the proof required for substantiation?

And maybe for purposes of consideration let's consider a Jeffersonian
Jesus,  i.e. no miracles.

I'd  welcome a reply from anyone.

[FairfieldLife] Launching Operation Warrior Wellness VIDEO HIGHLIGHTS Bringing TM to Veteran

2010-12-30 Thread nablusoss1008


Meditation, People, Enlightenment, Research, Students, Videos and More

* Home http://www.tm.org/blog
* Enlightenment http://www.tm.org/blog/category/enlightenment/
* Maharishi http://www.tm.org/blog/category/maharishi/
* News http://www.tm.org/blog/category/news/
* People http://www.tm.org/blog/category/people/
* Research http://www.tm.org/blog/category/research/
* Students http://www.tm.org/blog/category/students/
* Video http://www.tm.org/blog/category/video/
* Yoga http://www.tm.org/blog/category/yoga/
Launching `Operation Warrior Wellness  VIDEO HIGHLIGHTS
Bringing TM to Veterans suffering from PTSD
by Bob Roth http://www.tm.org/blog/author/bob-roth/  on December 29,
2010
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Veterans, medical doctors, researchers, and celebrities came together at
the Paley Center for Media in midtown Manhattan on December 13 to
support the David Lynch Foundation's launch of Operation Warrior
Wellness. The outreach aims at providing funds to teach the
Transcendental Meditation http://www.tm.org/  technique to 10,000
veterans suffering from post-traumatic stress disorderPTSD
http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/topics/post-traumatic-stress-disorder-pt\
sd/index.shtml and their families.



  [David-Lynch-Meditation] 
http://www.tm.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/David-Lynch-Meditatio\
n.jpg Academy Award-nominated filmmaker David Lynch
http://www.lynchweekend.org/  hosted the event.

It's so good that we have Operation Warrior Wellness.  Soldiers
are truly suffering. There are so many benefits from Transcendental
Meditation, but for sure it is a `stress-buster.' And when the
soldiers get this technique they are going to get their lives back
again. Mr. Lynch said.

  [Operation-Warrior-Wellness] 
http://www.tm.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Operation-Warrior-Wel\
lness.jpg Operation Warrior Wellness
http://www.crowdrise.com/OperationWarriorWellness/fundraiser/russellbra\
nd  was inspired by Jerry Yellin, a decorated World War II fighter
pilot who himself suffered from the acute problems caused by
PTSDand who later enjoyed the stress-relieving benefits of the TM
program. We have the ability to teach traumatized young veterans to
meditateand help them enormously, Mr. Yellin said.

  [Colonel-Brian-Rees] 
http://www.tm.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Colonel-Brian-Rees.jp\
g Colonel Brian Rees http://istpp.org/news/fellows.html , M.D., who
recently completed his fourth deployment in Iraq and Afghanistan, spoke
about the suitability of the Transcendental Meditation technique for the
military. Research has found TM to be very effective treatment for
PTSD. It's easy to do, easy to learn and effortless to perform.
It's really a very suitable intervention.

  [Norman-Rosenthal-Meditation] 
http://www.tm.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Norman-Rosenthal-Medi\
tation.jpg Norman Rosenthal, M.D.,
http://www.normanrosenthal.com/biography.html  clinical professor of
psychiatry at Georgetown University Medical School and for 20 years a
senior researcher at the National Institutes of Mental, conducted recent
research showing the beneficial effects of the TM technique on PTSD.

Fifty years of research on this technique have produced astonishing
results. I have been impressed by the excellence of the science and the
large number of peer-reviewed publications. As a psychiatrist who tries
to treat people with medications and therapy, I am fully aware that
these approaches are far from perfect. Now, we have at our disposal a
new meditation-based approach that can in a powerful, simple, and
profound way help people, who, for the most part, do not receive any
other ongoing input from mental health professionals. I think is very
exciting development, especially in this era of diminishing
resources.

The news conferences ended with a special videotaped message from Clint
Eastwood http://www.imdb.com/name/nm142/bio , who has been
practicing Transcendental Meditation for over 40 years:

I am a great supporter of Transcendental Meditation. I think that
it is a great tool for anyone to be able to utilize to reduce stress.
And when you consider the stress that our men and women of the Armed
Forces endurethe anxieties of going through combatthen TM is a
great tool for them. But it's great approach for anyone to use in
life in general; otherwise why would I have been doing it all these
yearsalmost half of my life!

Re: [FairfieldLife] How does this Energy Siphoning and Kundalini Blocking Really Work? (was 2011)


On Dec 30, 2010, at 10:54 AM, tartbrain wrote:

 Thanks for the reply Doug. However, I am not following your response. 
 
 Let's focus on two things: placement of kundalini blocks and siphoning off of 
 significant amounts of energy.
 
 First, I am assuming that some spiritual diversion pipes / channels (for 
 both kunblocks and energy siphoning) are put in place once, and doesn't need 
 to be restablished at each sitting. If so, where and when do these pipes get 
 installed? During initiations with puja? That would seem odd given SBS's 
 presence during the puja. But what thing during initiation constructs these 
 pipes? The puja? That doesn't fit because our puja is really quite a 
 commonly used puja -- with the exception of the the specificity of SBS as the 
 focus. Are you implying SBS is part of this plot? 
 
 Or does the mantra set the pipes? That would seem odd given the bija mantras 
 are used extensively by others. Or is it the process it self -- like maybe by 
 letting go, we open ourselves up to the controlled astral beings who do the 
 dirty work. Or is it the checking procedure. Now we are getting somewhere for 
 I always thought the complete set of checking notes (is it up to 4000 pages) 
 was the devil's work. (It was certainly hellish to memorize exactly, word for 
 word)
 
 Or is it Only in the Domes that the kblock and energy syph piping occurs. 
 That is, regular meditators don't get pipped, its only in the Domes that that 
 occurs. That would be more plausible. In that scenario the under controlled 
 astal beings may be hovering in the domes and 
 sucking up the energy, via or alongside placing the blocks during each 
 session. 
 
 However if that is true, the domes are sort of spiritual gas chambers - they 
 are killing off the spiritual essence of the Domers. So why would you want to 
 play the role of a spiritual Eichman trying to round up as many people as 
 possible to get spiritually killed in the Domes?
 
 Ah, but you say the mature, suave and sophisticated FF seeker has other magic 
 from Sri Vidya, Janet Sussmen, various healers and others to ward off this 
 black magic of piping, blocking and syphoning. OK. Lets accept that premise 
 and assume that these sophisticated siddhas have extra non-TMO stuff that 
 protects them from getting energy syponed off in the Domes. Does this involve 
 doing non-TMO practices in the Domes? 
 
 I think most agree that would be a no no -- or are you advocating that the 
 domes become a spiritual bazar with every one doing their thing in the domes? 
 Regardless of that, why would the protected ones have any desire or 
 inclination to go to the Domes and watch the many unprotected ones 
 spiritually being put to death? And why would you, or Earl, or anyone hip to 
 the real truth want to live in FF. Thats like saying, I love living here in 
 spiritual Auschwitz. 
 
 I would be most appreciative if you can address these specific questions and 
 let us know how this whole kundalini blocking and substantial energy 
 siphoning actually works. Since you are good friends with Earl, and he 
 apparently is still in FF, perhaps you could 
 ask him for more specificity of how this whole thing works.
 
 '-
 
 PS, just thinking out loud, could the energy from the Domes, dissolving 
 samsaras and lighting p darkness in Collective Consciousness be SEEN by these 
 non-TMO physics and yogis as energy stealing? 
 
 
 


Tart, the mechanics have to do with what is supposed to happen when shakti is 
awakened, and what happens when it's awakened incorrectly. When shakti is 
correctly awakened, prana is controlled and directed to break through the 
bottom end of central channel, rising in a straight, culminating line towards 
the third eye and the crown bindu, the summit. When it's awakened incorrectly, 
it leaves it's home at the muladhara-chakra and short-circuits up the 
vajra-nadi (or another less likely route), which directly activates the dalas 
or crown petals. When siddhis are directly cultivated, it activates these dalas 
along with their associated brain areas and virtually assures an imbalanced 
arising. It's the path of least resistance for shakti yet it cannot reach the 
makara-bindu where samadhi begins or it's culmination in the crown-bindu: 
unity. 

As samskaras and doshas accumulate in this new groove, the way to awakening is 
blocked, and the samskaras of vyutthana, the outward-stroke, are enhanced. As 
the tradition of Shankara puts it, the path to Unity in this lifetime is lost. 
They even go so far as to single out yogic flying.

So I'm guessing this probably isn't what you thought it meant: it's not so much 
about blatant vampirism, but a scarring of consciousness at the pranic level, 
causing the person to stop evolving and enter a type of servitude. So in a 
sense, a disreputable teacher can use this to keep students sticking around, 
and therefore syphoning off their energy, for what they want, their world 
plans.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Jesus Really Born on December 25th?

2010-12-30 Thread emptybill


Sorry but you are into wishful thinking here.



St. Paul never met the so-call historical Jesus. Rather he was a Jewish
opponent and persecutor of the Christians in his earlier days, until he
converted on the road to Damascus after having a vision. This event
occurred after the purported crucifixion.



Maccoby theorizes that Paul synthesized Judaism, Gnosticism, and
mysticism to create Christianity as a cosmic savior religion. According
to Maccoby, Paul's Pharisaism was his own invention, though actually he
was probably associated with the Sadducees. Maccoby attributes the
origins of Christian anti-semitism to Paul and claims that Paul's view
of women, though inconsistent, reflects his Gnosticism in its misogynist
aspects.

Hyam Maccoby, Chapter One.



The Mythmaker: Paul and the Invention of Christianity. New York: Harper
 Row, 1986.



Historians discount the Gospel writers as being recorders of accurate
history. Their purpose is only theological.



Josephus Flavius supposedly wrote about Jesus in his text, Antiquities
Of The Jews passages 18.3.3 and 20.9. This claim was purported to be
from Origin's work Against Celsus.



However:



Louis Feldman, the pre-eminent Josephus scholar, has confirmed that the
original text of Origen Against Celsus does not reference the 18th book
of his Antiquities. We can therefore not be certain that Origen was
aware of Josephus 18.3.3 when he wrote.

Feldman concluded in 1963 that:

The most probably view seems to be that our text represents
substantially what Josephus wrote, but that some alterations have been
made by a Christian interpolator.

Then in 1971:

In a startling find, Shlomo Pines publishes citations of the TF
appearing in Arabic and Syriac works of the 9th-10th century. These
quotations substantially resemble our current Testimonium, but do not
have two of the most suspicious phrases: he was the Messiah and if
indeed he can be called a man. Pines suggests these editions may have
used an authentic, uninterpolated version of Josephus' work.

However, there are no earlier texts which can prove whether any part of
the Testimonium Flavianum was actually written by Josephus; and there is
reason to be unsure of the veracity of Origen
http://ptet.dubar.com/ecw/origen.html  himself as a chronicler of
history.




...I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for
the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who
hate me... [Deuteronomy 5:8-10]







**










 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote:
 
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@
wrote:
  
   Only because no one expresses any awareness of this fact.
   Just the usual ...  little baby jesus, may he be born in us.
   he
   If you knew then at least that makes at least two.
  
 
 
 
  Which is sort of ironic, or perhaps symbolic, since he's a figment
of our collective, historical imagination. There is no historical proof,
Judaic or Roman, that he ever existed. So if Saturn represents
emptiness, then its fitting that the holiday to celebrate the savior
that was not, would be with a celebration to the God of emptiness.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@
wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@
wrote:

 Good gosh ...  is there not even a single person here who
 knows that Saturnalia was the pagan origin of Christmas?
   
Why would you think that because *one* person here seems
not to know, nobody else does either?
   
   
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote:
 
  It may have been too cold at that time period to perform a
census
 count.
 
  http://christmasxmas.xanga.com/395124709/item/

[FairfieldLife] Re: How does this Energy Siphoning and Kundalini Blocking Really Work? (was 2011)

Invalid arguments, Vaj. Only in rare cases would TM activate the Kundalini, 
with even fewer instances of Sidhis, like negligible. So your 2 required 
components don't amount to anything.
http://www.startlingart.com/Viewer.asp?ImageSource=fine_artFileName=ThroughTheCrack-Small

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:

 
 On Dec 30, 2010, at 10:54 AM, tartbrain wrote:
 
  Thanks for the reply Doug. However, I am not following your response. 
  
  Let's focus on two things: placement of kundalini blocks and siphoning off 
  of significant amounts of energy.
  
  First, I am assuming that some spiritual diversion pipes / channels (for 
  both kunblocks and energy siphoning) are put in place once, and doesn't 
  need to be restablished at each sitting. If so, where and when do these 
  pipes get installed? During initiations with puja? That would seem odd 
  given SBS's presence during the puja. But what thing during initiation 
  constructs these pipes? The puja? That doesn't fit because our puja is 
  really quite a commonly used puja -- with the exception of the the 
  specificity of SBS as the focus. Are you implying SBS is part of this plot? 
  
  Or does the mantra set the pipes? That would seem odd given the bija 
  mantras are used extensively by others. Or is it the process it self -- 
  like maybe by letting go, we open ourselves up to the controlled astral 
  beings who do the dirty work. Or is it the checking procedure. Now we are 
  getting somewhere for I always thought the complete set of checking notes 
  (is it up to 4000 pages) was the devil's work. (It was certainly hellish to 
  memorize exactly, word for word)
  
  Or is it Only in the Domes that the kblock and energy syph piping occurs. 
  That is, regular meditators don't get pipped, its only in the Domes that 
  that occurs. That would be more plausible. In that scenario the under 
  controlled astal beings may be hovering in the domes and 
  sucking up the energy, via or alongside placing the blocks during each 
  session. 
  
  However if that is true, the domes are sort of spiritual gas chambers - 
  they are killing off the spiritual essence of the Domers. So why would you 
  want to play the role of a spiritual Eichman trying to round up as many 
  people as possible to get spiritually killed in the Domes?
  
  Ah, but you say the mature, suave and sophisticated FF seeker has other 
  magic from Sri Vidya, Janet Sussmen, various healers and others to ward off 
  this black magic of piping, blocking and syphoning. OK. Lets accept that 
  premise and assume that these sophisticated siddhas have extra non-TMO 
  stuff that protects them from getting energy syponed off in the Domes. Does 
  this involve doing non-TMO practices in the Domes? 
  
  I think most agree that would be a no no -- or are you advocating that the 
  domes become a spiritual bazar with every one doing their thing in the 
  domes? Regardless of that, why would the protected ones have any desire 
  or inclination to go to the Domes and watch the many unprotected ones 
  spiritually being put to death? And why would you, or Earl, or anyone hip 
  to the real truth want to live in FF. Thats like saying, I love living 
  here in spiritual Auschwitz. 
  
  I would be most appreciative if you can address these specific questions 
  and let us know how this whole kundalini blocking and substantial energy 
  siphoning actually works. Since you are good friends with Earl, and he 
  apparently is still in FF, perhaps you could 
  ask him for more specificity of how this whole thing works.
  
  '-
  
  PS, just thinking out loud, could the energy from the Domes, dissolving 
  samsaras and lighting p darkness in Collective Consciousness be SEEN by 
  these non-TMO physics and yogis as energy stealing? 
  
  
  
 
 
 Tart, the mechanics have to do with what is supposed to happen when shakti is 
 awakened, and what happens when it's awakened incorrectly. When shakti is 
 correctly awakened, prana is controlled and directed to break through the 
 bottom end of central channel, rising in a straight, culminating line towards 
 the third eye and the crown bindu, the summit. When it's awakened 
 incorrectly, it leaves it's home at the muladhara-chakra and short-circuits 
 up the vajra-nadi (or another less likely route), which directly activates 
 the dalas or crown petals. When siddhis are directly cultivated, it activates 
 these dalas along with their associated brain areas and virtually assures an 
 imbalanced arising. It's the path of least resistance for shakti yet it 
 cannot reach the makara-bindu where samadhi begins or it's culmination in the 
 crown-bindu: unity. 
 
 As samskaras and doshas accumulate in this new groove, the way to awakening 
 is blocked, and the samskaras of vyutthana, the outward-stroke, are enhanced. 
 As the tradition of Shankara puts it, the path to Unity in this lifetime is 
 lost. They even go so far as

[FairfieldLife] seeking a mini miracle-sheepskin

2010-12-30 Thread parsleysage

Instead of debating miricles or not, I seek them. My neighbor has taken in her 
sister -cancer has spread to brain. Her sister is cold-she is going thru chemo- 
and has requested some sheepskin to cut into foot shapes and place in her 
slippers, shoes, etc . She was thinking of enough to cut 2 feet shapes out- and 
it looks like she wears a 9 or maybe an 8 1/2. Any of you have a large piece of 
sheepskin, an old set of seat covers, or know of any place to get this? I want 
to offer her some comfort and peace. 

please let me know.

namaste

-M

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sun...@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote:
 
  Which is sort of ironic, or perhaps symbolic, since he's a figment of
 our collective, historical imagination. There is no historical proof,
 Judaic or Roman, that he ever existed.
 
 I've often heard this expressed.   I guess I can more easily consider
 that Krishna never existed since he had attributes quite out of the
 ordinary.  But how do you figure that Jesus did not exist, any more than
 say Socrates, or Ghengis Khan.  How do we know that they existed?  What
 is the proof required for substantiation?
 
 And maybe for purposes of consideration let's consider a Jeffersonian
 Jesus,  i.e. no miracles.
 
 I'd  welcome a reply from anyone.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How does this Energy Siphoning and Kundalini Blocking Really Work? (was 2011)

On Dec 30, 2010, at 4:57 PM, yifuxero wrote:

Invalid arguments, Vaj. Only in rare cases would TM activate the Kundalini,
with even fewer instances of Sidhis, like negligible. So your 2 required
components don't amount to anything.
http://www.startlingart.com/Viewer.asp?ImageSource=fine_artFileName=ThroughTheCrack-Small

Mantra meditation of many, many stripes, Hindu, Jewish, Jain, Buddhist,
Christian, Sufi, etc. awaken shakti, shekinah, whatevah. One of the reasons TM
works is because they make sure (or used to make sure) the TM teacher rounds
enough to assure some sufficient shakti and a ritual whose mere performance
transfers the teacher's acquired shakti to the mantra chosen from a list, to
the student.

The issue is the teacher or teachers should instruct the student in some simple
basic kundalini awakening method FAQ's. Give them some simple, basic
yogic/tantric instructions. Empower them.

The thing is, if your shakti was awakened in a previous existence, it will be
already awakened in this one, so you'll probably just go thru a bunch of
reacquaintance experiences. You'll also be less likely to appreciate it in
others, as you've carried it with you for so long, you take it for granted.

There are many documented examples of TM mantra awakening people's shakti. Of
course, unfortunately, they tend to overheat or over-vata out. But it appears
people like SSRS are correcting errors that had crept into earlier examples of
the TM technique. If this trend continues, that would mean that Sahaj-style
mantra meditation could get even better as time passes.

And that's good thing, esp. as more people instinctively shift their
appreciation away from the TMO (less support of nature), and more towards
movements like SSRS's (more support).

[FairfieldLife] Re: seeking a mini miracle-sheepskin

Orthodox treatments are for the most part ineffective in treating brain cancer. 
Often, the treatment will kill the patient before the tumors.
Best bet, try Ecklonia Cava extract, ECE); take about 3 times per day. 
Available from Swanson's Health Products in Fargo, 1800-437-4148. Product 
D1SW1372, 60 caps for $4.99
...
While no claims are made for a cure, with brain cancer the idea should be to 
offset some of the delibating symptoms; and if leaving the physical is 
probable, one might have a chance of going peacefully rather than totally 
devastating the body with chemo and radiation.
Forget the sheepskin.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, parsleysage meowthirt...@... wrote:

 Instead of debating miricles or not, I seek them. My neighbor has taken in 
 her sister -cancer has spread to brain. Her sister is cold-she is going thru 
 chemo- and has requested some sheepskin to cut into foot shapes and place in 
 her slippers, shoes, etc . She was thinking of enough to cut 2 feet shapes 
 out- and it looks like she wears a 9 or maybe an 8 1/2. Any of you have a 
 large piece of sheepskin, an old set of seat covers, or know of any place to 
 get this? I want to offer her some comfort and peace. 
 
 please let me know.
 
 namaste
 
 -M
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote:
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote:
  
   Which is sort of ironic, or perhaps symbolic, since he's a figment of
  our collective, historical imagination. There is no historical proof,
  Judaic or Roman, that he ever existed.
  
  I've often heard this expressed.   I guess I can more easily consider
  that Krishna never existed since he had attributes quite out of the
  ordinary.  But how do you figure that Jesus did not exist, any more than
  say Socrates, or Ghengis Khan.  How do we know that they existed?  What
  is the proof required for substantiation?
  
  And maybe for purposes of consideration let's consider a Jeffersonian
  Jesus,  i.e. no miracles.
  
  I'd  welcome a reply from anyone.

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: seeking a mini miracle-sheepskin

Here in FF, and can be ordered online:

 

http://overland.com/Products/Rugs---Car-Seat-Covers-1156/Rugs,-Pelts---Cowhi
des-1200/Sheepskin-Rugs-1157/Browse.aspx

 

or  http://goo.gl/JFogz goo.gl/JFogz

[FairfieldLife] Re: seeking a mini miracle-sheepskin

2010-12-30 Thread parsleysage

The choice is hers to make on her care of her body.

She has made the request of some sheepskin to help her keep warm. It is a small 
request . I will make this small miracle happen with or without you. There is 
small chance now for her physical body to stay here. Compassion warms. I will 
not forget her very small request. Small things are huge. Anyone who wants to 
partner w me is welcome.Sometimes in grief, a teddy bear is good medicine, and 
in this condition, of dis-ease... some sheepskin can be good medicine. 




I appreciate your advice;I personally would take another approach to her 
wellness, but it hers to decide. This is one thing she has asked.


Thanks for your wanting to help.

-M

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifux...@... wrote:

 Orthodox treatments are for the most part ineffective in treating brain 
 cancer. Often, the treatment will kill the patient before the tumors.
 Best bet, try Ecklonia Cava extract, ECE); take about 3 times per day. 
 Available from Swanson's Health Products in Fargo, 1800-437-4148. Product 
 D1SW1372, 60 caps for $4.99
 ...
 While no claims are made for a cure, with brain cancer the idea should be 
 to offset some of the delibating symptoms; and if leaving the physical is 
 probable, one might have a chance of going peacefully rather than totally 
 devastating the body with chemo and radiation.
 Forget the sheepskin.
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, parsleysage meowthirteen@ wrote:
 
  Instead of debating miricles or not, I seek them. My neighbor has taken in 
  her sister -cancer has spread to brain. Her sister is cold-she is going 
  thru chemo- and has requested some sheepskin to cut into foot shapes and 
  place in her slippers, shoes, etc . She was thinking of enough to cut 2 
  feet shapes out- and it looks like she wears a 9 or maybe an 8 1/2. Any of 
  you have a large piece of sheepskin, an old set of seat covers, or know of 
  any place to get this? I want to offer her some comfort and peace. 
  
  please let me know.
  
  namaste
  
  -M
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote:
  
   
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote:
   
Which is sort of ironic, or perhaps symbolic, since he's a figment of
   our collective, historical imagination. There is no historical proof,
   Judaic or Roman, that he ever existed.
   
   I've often heard this expressed.   I guess I can more easily consider
   that Krishna never existed since he had attributes quite out of the
   ordinary.  But how do you figure that Jesus did not exist, any more than
   say Socrates, or Ghengis Khan.  How do we know that they existed?  What
   is the proof required for substantiation?
   
   And maybe for purposes of consideration let's consider a Jeffersonian
   Jesus,  i.e. no miracles.
   
   I'd  welcome a reply from anyone.

[FairfieldLife] New Years 9 Planet Yagya

A Special Navagraha Yagya for the New Year
December 31, 7 pm to midnight; January 1 and 2: 8 am to 10 pm
You are invited to join us for auspicious blessings for the New Year,
with yagyas for Ganesh, Lakshmi, Shiva, Durga and the 9 planets, under
the guidance of Pandit Dhruv Narain Sharma.  Pt. Sharma will supervise
the preparation of 9 elaborate traditional mandalas for each of the nine
planets.

Held at Morningstar Studio in Fairfield

For details, go to: http://vedyagya.blogspot.com/
http://vedyagya.blogspot.com/
   These yagyas allow you and your friends to directly participate in
these traditional methods of invoking the Divine and appeasing planetary
influences. For the individual planetary propitiations, you will be
instructed how to pronounce the appropriate mantras for each planet, and
you will make offerings at the site of specially prepared mandalas for
each individual planet. Please come to the free Orientation meeting on
Thursday at 8 pm to learn how to get the most from this special weekend.
You may attend one or all of the yagyas throughout the weekend.
Please bring fruit and flowers as specified below for the specific
planet.
For details, go to: http://vedyagya.blogspot.com/
http://vedyagya.blogspot.com/

[FairfieldLife] Thursday Nite Special Orientation Meeting for the NavaGraha Yayga


An Orientation for the New Years Maha NavaGraha Yayga

Dec. 30, Thursday  8 pm at Morning Star Studio

http://vedyagya.blogspot.com/ http://vedyagya.blogspot.com/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Thursday Nite Special Orientation Meeting for the NavaGraha Yayga



 
 An Orientation for the New Years Maha NavaGraha Yayga
 
 Dec. 30, Thursday  8 pm at Morning Star Studio
 
 http://vedyagya.blogspot.com/ http://vedyagya.blogspot.com/


Pandit D.N. Sharma will present an overview of the Vedic technologies for 
planetary propitiation, and provide personal guidance on how to get the most 
from the New Year's NavaGraha Yagya.

[FairfieldLife] Friday Nite of the Maha New Years Yagya

Friday New Year's eve at Morning Star Studio

7-8 pm: Ganesh Yagya
8 pm: MahaSankalpa: Setting individual intentions for the weekend's
Yaygya
8:15-10:30 pm: Invocation of NavaGraha (9 Planets) Yagya Establishment
of 9 planetary mandalas  1 for each planet
11-12:30 pm: NavaGraha Samuhik Japa Participatory Group Mantra
Recitation (includes 108 Bija Japa for each planet)

[FairfieldLife] Saturday of the New Years Maha Yagya

Saturday January 1 at Morning Star Studio
1011 am Nitya Puja Invocation
11- noon NavaGraha Samuhik -- Group Recitation for all 9 planets
Noon-3 pm Individual Propitiation at specific planetary mandalas

5-8 pm Individual Propitiation at specific planetary mandalas

8-9 pm MahaLakshmi New Year's Puja -- Blessings to start the New
Year
9:30 pm MahaLakshmi Fire Ceremony at 2149 227th Street, Fairfield

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Was Jesus Really Born on December 25th? [1 Attachment]

[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Jesus Really Born on December 25th?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptyb...@... wrote:
snip
 The Mythmaker: Paul and the Invention of Christianity. New
 York: Harper  Row, 1986.

Fascinating book. Maccoby doesn't question Jesus' existence,
however, as I recall.

He does make a case that Paul had *not* been a Pharisee,
contrary to his claim; he says Paul was a pagan convert
to Judaism who tried to become a Pharisee and couldn't
make the grade, and that this turned him against the
Pharisees.

He also says Jesus *himself* was a Pharisee. He suggests
that later redactors cast several of Jesus' arguments as
being with the Pharisees when they were actually with the
Sadducees, and portrayed his arguments with the Pharisees
as hostile when they were really just the standard
intellectual jousting of the Pharisees among themselves.
As far as  Maccoby is concerned, the Pharisees were the
good guys.

I have no idea whether his theses hold up, but they're really
interesting, and the book is nicely written for the general
reader.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: seeking a mini miracle-sheepskin

eBay has genuine sheepskin seat belt covers for sale, two for
$7 plus $4 shipping. They're 5 x 10.5, which sounds about
right for putting in slippers:

http://tinyurl.com/2dnxy62

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, parsleysage meowthirt...@... wrote:

 Instead of debating miricles or not, I seek them. My neighbor has taken in 
 her sister -cancer has spread to brain. Her sister is cold-she is going thru 
 chemo- and has requested some sheepskin to cut into foot shapes and place in 
 her slippers, shoes, etc . She was thinking of enough to cut 2 feet shapes 
 out- and it looks like she wears a 9 or maybe an 8 1/2. Any of you have a 
 large piece of sheepskin, an old set of seat covers, or know of any place to 
 get this? I want to offer her some comfort and peace. 
 
 please let me know.
 
 namaste
 
 -M

[FairfieldLife] Primping Faerie

http://www.fantasygallery.net/chang/art_7_Primping-Faerie.html

[FairfieldLife] Little Mermaid

http://www.fantasygallery.net/chang/art_5_Little-Mermaid.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: How does this Energy Siphoning and Kundalini Blocking Really Work? (was 2011)

2010-12-30 Thread emptybill


Although people talk on about kundalini quite frequently, what they
describe is actually a variable degree of prana going up the spine.



Actual kundalini is not within our power to control because it is the
originating power of the jiva-atma when that jiva takes embodiment in a
human being, male or female. When the kundalini power arouses from its
quiescent state, it ascends toward its home above the head.  During this
ascension, the kundalini power takes every tributary manifestation of
prana-shakti with it because it is the actual source of every form of
shakti in the body. Real kundalini ascension is like the golden essence
of the sun turned into a living, cosmic fluid, rising up and absorbing
every actual and potential quality into a dissolving bliss. It manifests
our essential nature of intelligence and utter joy and is not mysterious
or problematic because it is what we really are.



It is exquisitely pleasurable because it is the Ananda of chit-shakti.
Think Sat-Chit-Anandam and if you are familiar with the
meaning of that phrase then you will recognize what is the only reality
of kundalini activation. All else is just prana-shakti playing around.



The Tibetan yogas of Naropa and Niguma are also based upon prana going
up and down the spine but they do not describe kundalini because they do
not focus upon the avadhuta nadi (in the central spine) as it intersects
the mula.adhara chakra. However the Tibetan yoga-s prescribe extensive
practice of tsa-lung (nadi-prana) preliminary training to release nadi
blockages and prevent problems. Most of it is very vigorous but this
training is only for the purpose of assisting the yogin/yogini in
accomplishing his/her personal sadhana.




*




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_re...@... wrote:

 Thanks for the reply Doug. However, I am not following your response.

 Let's focus on two things: placement of kundalini blocks and siphoning
off of significant amounts of energy.

 First, I am assuming that some spiritual diversion pipes / channels
(for both kunblocks and energy siphoning) are put in place once, and
doesn't need to be restablished at each sitting. If so, where and when
do these pipes get installed?  During initiations with puja? That would
seem odd given SBS's presence during the puja. But what thing during
initiation constructs these pipes? The puja? That doesn't fit because
our puja is really quite a commonly used puja -- with the exception of
the the specificity of SBS as the focus. Are you implying SBS is part of
this plot?

 Or does the mantra set the pipes? That would seem odd given the bija
mantras are used extensively by others. Or is it the process it self --
like maybe by letting go, we open ourselves up to the controlled astral
beings who do the dirty work. Or is it the checking procedure. Now we
are getting somewhere for I always thought the complete set of checking
notes (is it up to 4000 pages) was the devil's work. (It was certainly
hellish to memorize exactly, word for word)

 Or is it Only in the Domes that the kblock and energy syph piping
occurs. That is, regular meditators don't get pipped, its only in the
Domes that that occurs. That would be more plausible. In that scenario
the under controlled astal beings may be hovering in the domes and
 sucking up the energy, via or alongside placing the blocks during each
session.

 However if that is true, the domes are sort of spiritual gas chambers
- they are killing off the spiritual essence of the Domers. So why would
you want to play the role of a spiritual Eichman trying to round up as
many people as possible to get spiritually killed in the Domes?

 Ah, but you say the mature, suave and sophisticated FF seeker has
other magic from Sri Vidya, Janet Sussmen, various healers and others to
ward off this black magic of piping, blocking  and syphoning. OK. Lets
accept that premise and assume that these sophisticated siddhas have
extra non-TMO stuff that protects them from getting energy syponed off
in the Domes. Does this involve doing non-TMO practices in the Domes?

 I think most agree that would be a no no -- or are you advocating that
the domes become a spiritual bazar with every one doing their thing in
the domes? Regardless of that, why would the protected ones have any
desire or inclination to go to the Domes and watch the many unprotected
ones spiritually being put to death? And why would you, or Earl, or
anyone hip to the real truth want to live in FF. Thats like saying, I
love living here in spiritual Auschwitz.

 I would be most appreciative if you can address these specific
questions and let us know how this whole kundalini blocking and
substantial energy siphoning actually works. Since you are good friends
with Earl, and he apparently is still in FF, perhaps you could
 ask him for more specificity of how this whole thing works.

 '-

 PS, just thinking out loud, could the energy from the Domes,

[FairfieldLife] Sunday Morning too, New Years 9 planet Yagya

Sunday Jan 2 at Morning Star Studio 
1011 am Nitya Puja Invocation
11- noon Maha Mritynunjaya Group Recitation
Noon-1 pm NavaGraha Samuhik -- Group Recitation for all 9 planets
1-3 pm Individual Propitiation at specific planetary mandalas

7-10 pm NavaGraha Fire Ceremony at 2140 227th Street Fairfield
Concluding Ceremonies and Prasad

Schedule Details:

http://vedyagya.blogspot.com/

[FairfieldLife] Re: seeking a mini miracle-sheepskin

2010-12-30 Thread parsleysage

THIS is very kind and I forwarded it to her. Thank you ever so for the help. 
This truly is a mini miracle. A little love really is big and very warm- 
hopefully this is what she can use. 

:)

-Meow

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:

 eBay has genuine sheepskin seat belt covers for sale, two for
 $7 plus $4 shipping. They're 5 x 10.5, which sounds about
 right for putting in slippers:
 
 http://tinyurl.com/2dnxy62
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, parsleysage meowthirteen@ wrote:
 
  Instead of debating miricles or not, I seek them. My neighbor has taken in 
  her sister -cancer has spread to brain. Her sister is cold-she is going 
  thru chemo- and has requested some sheepskin to cut into foot shapes and 
  place in her slippers, shoes, etc . She was thinking of enough to cut 2 
  feet shapes out- and it looks like she wears a 9 or maybe an 8 1/2. Any of 
  you have a large piece of sheepskin, an old set of seat covers, or know of 
  any place to get this? I want to offer her some comfort and peace. 
  
  please let me know.
  
  namaste
  
  -M

[FairfieldLife] Re: Little Mermaid

I thought this one was one of the best.

http://www.fantasygallery.net/chang/art_8_Dance-with-Iron-Fans.html

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifux...@... wrote:

 http://www.fantasygallery.net/chang/art_5_Little-Mermaid.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Deva Surfing the Himalayas

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_re...@... wrote:
snip
 http://www.shrigurudevji.com/images/common/top_header.jpg
 like Swami Brahmananda Surfing the Himalayas
 in a Turques B -Uncle Tantra- Rama style? eh

Exactly! But it only works if you see it out of the corner
of your eye, rather than looking right at it.

snip
 have a very very happy New Year
 Dear Judith
 all the blessing

Thank you! May yours be blessed as well.


 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifuxero@ wrote:
  
   http://www.shrigurudevji.com/article.asp?article=about_gurudev
 
  When I clicked on this link, for a split-second in my
  peripheral vision, it seemed as though the illustration
  of Guru Dev in the upper left corner showed him wearing
  big wrap-around amber-tinted sunglasses.

[FairfieldLife] Polar bears vs. the BBC

BBC documentary filmmakers craftily send disguised robot cameras to observe 
polar bears, but the bears' curiosity makes hash of them. Very funny:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thelookout/20101230/us_yblog_thelookout/polar-bears-destroy-bbc-documentary-cameras

http://tinyurl.com/27ep7g8

[FairfieldLife] Faerie mischief

http://www.fantasygallery.net/chang/art_3_faerie-mischief.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Jesus Really Born on December 25th?



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff roryg...@... wrote:

 Josephus and his school were the ones who wrote the gospels and created the 
 historical Jesus as a Roman state religion for the Flavians to counteract 
 the Jewish problem, if Joseph Atwill (Caesar's Messiah) is correct.

Theological research shows that most of the apostles were uneducated fishermen 
from Galilee, with the exception of St. Luke, who was a physician, and St. 
Paul, who was a former Pharisee.  It is generally accepted that the disciples 
of the apostles wrote the gospels decades after the death of Jesus.  In effect, 
the apostles and the early Christian followers were the first hand witnesses.  
Thus, the historical accounts came from these sources.

But there is a strong argument that St. Luke wrote his own gospel based on his 
actual witness account.  

St. Paul did not actually see Jesus when he was alive.  But he was learned in 
the Jewish tradition.  He was also a Roman citizen.  Thus, he understood the 
meaning of Jesus' message and synthesized the teachings in universal terms to 
appeal to Gentiles as well as the Jewish community.






 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote:
 
  Theological research shows that Jesus existed historically.  The main 
  witnesses were the gospel writers, St. Paul, their disciples and the 
  followers of Jesus at the time of his life in Judea.
  
  There was also an independent Roman historian by the name of Josephus who 
  mentioned the existence of Jesus in Palestine.
  
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote:
  
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote:
   
Only because no one expresses any awareness of this fact.
Just the usual ...  little baby jesus, may he be born in us.
he 
If you knew then at least that makes at least two.

   
   
   
   Which is sort of ironic, or perhaps symbolic, since he's a figment of 
   our collective, historical imagination. There is no historical proof, 
   Judaic or Roman, that he ever existed. So if Saturn represents 
   emptiness, then its fitting that the holiday to celebrate the savior that 
   was not, would be with a celebration to the God of emptiness.
   
   

   
   
   
   
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote:
 
  Good gosh ...  is there not even a single person here who
  knows that Saturnalia was the pagan origin of Christmas?

 Why would you think that because *one* person here seems
 not to know, nobody else does either?


  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote:
  
   It may have been too cold at that time period to perform a census
  count.
  
   http://christmasxmas.xanga.com/395124709/item/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Jesus Really Born on December 25th?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_...@... wrote:
snip
 Theological research shows

What's theological research? There are no actual *facts*
to back up any of this, other than that the Gospels were
written long after Jesus' death.



 that most of the apostles were uneducated fishermen from Galilee, with the 
 exception of St. Luke, who was a physician, and St. Paul, who was a former 
 Pharisee.  It is generally accepted that the disciples of the apostles wrote 
 the gospels decades after the death of Jesus.  In effect, the apostles and 
 the early Christian followers were the first hand witnesses.  Thus, the 
 historical accounts came from these sources.
 
 But there is a strong argument that St. Luke wrote his own gospel based on 
 his actual witness account.  
 
 St. Paul did not actually see Jesus when he was alive.  But he was learned in 
 the Jewish tradition.  He was also a Roman citizen.  Thus, he understood the 
 meaning of Jesus' message and synthesized the teachings in universal terms to 
 appeal to Gentiles as well as the Jewish community.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Jesus Really Born on December 25th?



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote:
 
  Theological research shows that Jesus existed historically.
  The main witnesses were the gospel writers, St. Paul, their 
  disciples and the followers of Jesus at the time of his life
  in Judea.
 
 The Gospels were all written many decades after Jesus'
 death. St. Paul never knew Jesus in the flesh either. And
 those who followed him during his lifetime didn't write
 any of the Bible.

What you're saying is correct.  But St. Paul tells us that he himself 
persecuted the early Christian followers.  This shows that the historical Jesus 
existed through the experience and eyewitness accounts of the followers.


 
  There was also an independent Roman historian by the name
  of Josephus who mentioned the existence of Jesus in
  Palestine.
 
 There's some question about whether this mention was a later
 addition.
 
 On the other hand, it's hard to imagine how the Jesus legend
 that has come down to us could have developed in a vacuum,
 without there having been some individual who made a pretty
 strong impression at the time.

Some theologians state that something extraordinary happened during that time 
period.  The witnesses and the tradition that followed conveyed the experience 
(including his birth and death) and miracles performed by Jesus.  If nothing 
unusual occurred, we would not be hearing any of those stories today.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Jesus Really Born on December 25th?



 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote:
 
  Josephus and his school were the ones who wrote the gospels and created the 
  historical Jesus as a Roman state religion for the Flavians to counteract 
  the Jewish problem, if Joseph Atwill (Caesar's Messiah) is correct.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_...@... wrote:

 Theological research shows that most of the apostles were uneducated 
 fishermen from Galilee, with the exception of St. Luke, who was a physician, 
 and St. Paul, who was a former Pharisee.  It is generally accepted that the 
 disciples of the apostles wrote the gospels decades after the death of Jesus. 
  In effect, the apostles and the early Christian followers were the first 
 hand witnesses.  Thus, the historical accounts came from these sources.
 
 But there is a strong argument that St. Luke wrote his own gospel based on 
 his actual witness account.  
 
 St. Paul did not actually see Jesus when he was alive.  But he was learned in 
 the Jewish tradition.  He was also a Roman citizen.  Thus, he understood the 
 meaning of Jesus' message and synthesized the teachings in universal terms to 
 appeal to Gentiles as well as the Jewish community.
 
John, I am quite familiar with orthodox Christians' view of Christianity. If 
you would like to familiarize yourself with mine, I'd suggest you read Freke  
Gandy's The Jesus Mysteries: Was the 'Original Jesus' a Pagan God? for a 
glimpse at Christianity's powerful Archetypal underpinnings, followed by Joseph 
Atwill's Caesar's Messiah for a look at the possible political motivations 
behind the creation of a historical Jesus, and then we'll talk.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Jesus Really Born on December 25th?



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote:
 snip
  Theological research shows
 
 What's theological research? There are no actual *facts*
 to back up any of this, other than that the Gospels were
 written long after Jesus' death.

There are a few Christian theologians who were able to analyze the sources of 
the facts or accounts written by the gospel writers.  They were saying that the 
accounts came from essentially two main sources, as I recall.  These sources 
were collections of stories from the early Christian followers and presumably 
from the gospel writers themselves.

Nonetheless, you are correct in saying that the Gospels were written years 
after the death of Jesus.









 
 
 
  that most of the apostles were uneducated fishermen from Galilee, with the 
  exception of St. Luke, who was a physician, and St. Paul, who was a former 
  Pharisee.  It is generally accepted that the disciples of the apostles 
  wrote the gospels decades after the death of Jesus.  In effect, the 
  apostles and the early Christian followers were the first hand witnesses.  
  Thus, the historical accounts came from these sources.
  
  But there is a strong argument that St. Luke wrote his own gospel based on 
  his actual witness account.  
  
  St. Paul did not actually see Jesus when he was alive.  But he was learned 
  in the Jewish tradition.  He was also a Roman citizen.  Thus, he understood 
  the meaning of Jesus' message and synthesized the teachings in universal 
  terms to appeal to Gentiles as well as the Jewish community.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Jesus Really Born on December 25th?

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0293/0293_01.asp

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff roryg...@... wrote:

 
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote:
  
   Josephus and his school were the ones who wrote the gospels and created 
   the historical Jesus as a Roman state religion for the Flavians to 
   counteract the Jewish problem, if Joseph Atwill (Caesar's Messiah) is 
   correct.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote:
 
  Theological research shows that most of the apostles were uneducated 
  fishermen from Galilee, with the exception of St. Luke, who was a 
  physician, and St. Paul, who was a former Pharisee.  It is generally 
  accepted that the disciples of the apostles wrote the gospels decades after 
  the death of Jesus.  In effect, the apostles and the early Christian 
  followers were the first hand witnesses.  Thus, the historical accounts 
  came from these sources.
  
  But there is a strong argument that St. Luke wrote his own gospel based on 
  his actual witness account.  
  
  St. Paul did not actually see Jesus when he was alive.  But he was learned 
  in the Jewish tradition.  He was also a Roman citizen.  Thus, he understood 
  the meaning of Jesus' message and synthesized the teachings in universal 
  terms to appeal to Gentiles as well as the Jewish community.
  
 John, I am quite familiar with orthodox Christians' view of Christianity. If 
 you would like to familiarize yourself with mine, I'd suggest you read Freke 
  Gandy's The Jesus Mysteries: Was the 'Original Jesus' a Pagan God? for a 
 glimpse at Christianity's powerful Archetypal underpinnings, followed by 
 Joseph Atwill's Caesar's Messiah for a look at the possible political 
 motivations behind the creation of a historical Jesus, and then we'll talk.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Polar bears vs. the BBC

2010-12-30 Thread wayback71



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:

 BBC documentary filmmakers craftily send disguised robot cameras to observe 
 polar bears, but the bears' curiosity makes hash of them. Very funny:
 
 http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thelookout/20101230/us_yblog_thelookout/polar-bears-destroy-bbc-documentary-cameras
 
 http://tinyurl.com/27ep7g8


Nice find!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Jesus Really Born on December 25th?



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff roryg...@... wrote:

 
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote:
  
   Josephus and his school were the ones who wrote the gospels and created 
   the historical Jesus as a Roman state religion for the Flavians to 
   counteract the Jewish problem, if Joseph Atwill (Caesar's Messiah) is 
   correct.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote:
 
  Theological research shows that most of the apostles were uneducated 
  fishermen from Galilee, with the exception of St. Luke, who was a 
  physician, and St. Paul, who was a former Pharisee.  It is generally 
  accepted that the disciples of the apostles wrote the gospels decades after 
  the death of Jesus.  In effect, the apostles and the early Christian 
  followers were the first hand witnesses.  Thus, the historical accounts 
  came from these sources.
  
  But there is a strong argument that St. Luke wrote his own gospel based on 
  his actual witness account.  
  
  St. Paul did not actually see Jesus when he was alive.  But he was learned 
  in the Jewish tradition.  He was also a Roman citizen.  Thus, he understood 
  the meaning of Jesus' message and synthesized the teachings in universal 
  terms to appeal to Gentiles as well as the Jewish community.
  
 John, I am quite familiar with orthodox Christians' view of Christianity. If 
 you would like to familiarize yourself with mine, I'd suggest you read Freke 
  Gandy's The Jesus Mysteries: Was the 'Original Jesus' a Pagan God? for a 
 glimpse at Christianity's powerful Archetypal underpinnings, followed by 
 Joseph Atwill's Caesar's Messiah for a look at the possible political 
 motivations behind the creation of a historical Jesus, and then we'll talk.


The titles look interesting.  We'll revisit this theme when the discussion 
comes up again.  In the meantime, I'll look for them.  Thanks.

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: seeking a mini miracle-sheepskin

2010-12-30 Thread Peter

I used to meditate on one of those until I ritamed  the sheep's death in a 
slaughter house. Very unpleasant experience for the poor sheep. Now I sit on 
silk.worm gunk. 

--- On Thu, 12/30/10, Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com wrote:

From: Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com
Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: seeking a mini miracle-sheepskin
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, December 30, 2010, 5:47 PM











 











Here in FF, and can be ordered online:  
http://overland.com/Products/Rugs---Car-Seat-Covers-1156/Rugs,-Pelts---Cowhides-1200/Sheepskin-Rugs-1157/Browse.aspx
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Jesus Really Born on December 25th?



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_...@... wrote:

 The titles look interesting.  We'll revisit this theme when the discussion 
 comes up again.  In the meantime, I'll look for them.  Thanks.

You're very welcome, John; I look forward to hearing your thoughts on them :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Jesus Really Born on December 25th?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_...@... wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote:
  
   Theological research shows that Jesus existed historically.
   The main witnesses were the gospel writers, St. Paul, their 
   disciples and the followers of Jesus at the time of his life
   in Judea.
  
  The Gospels were all written many decades after Jesus'
  death. St. Paul never knew Jesus in the flesh either. And
  those who followed him during his lifetime didn't write
  any of the Bible.
 
 What you're saying is correct.  But St. Paul tells us that he 
 himself persecuted the early Christian followers.  This shows
 that the historical Jesus existed through the experience and 
 eyewitness accounts of the followers.

Not really. What Paul tells us shows what Paul wanted
his audience to believe. And again, we have no
eyewitness accounts.

Look, I don't have a dog in the fight. I'm neither a
believer nor a denier. I just think we should make a
clear distinction between what we know for sure (very
little) and what is conjecture (most of it). I don't
like the term witnesses because we really don't have
any at all, much less eyewitnesses. We have lots of
long-after-the-fact stories that we have no way of 
verifying. The Gospel accounts contradict each other
on many points. There were political interests very
likely involved in shaping the stories in ways that
favored one or another group.

What we have is likely bits and pieces of accurate
information mixed in with a lot of stuff that was
made up for one reason or another, and in most cases
we don't have any way of telling the difference.



  
   There was also an independent Roman historian by the name
   of Josephus who mentioned the existence of Jesus in
   Palestine.
  
  There's some question about whether this mention was a later
  addition.
  
  On the other hand, it's hard to imagine how the Jesus legend
  that has come down to us could have developed in a vacuum,
  without there having been some individual who made a pretty
  strong impression at the time.
 
 Some theologians state that something extraordinary happened during that time 
 period.  The witnesses and the tradition that followed conveyed the 
 experience (including his birth and death) and miracles performed by Jesus.  
 If nothing unusual occurred, we would not be hearing any of those stories 
 today.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Jesus Really Born on December 25th?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote:
snip
  John, I am quite familiar with orthodox Christians' view
  of Christianity. If you would like to familiarize yourself
  with mine, I'd suggest you read Freke  Gandy's The Jesus
  Mysteries: Was the 'Original Jesus' a Pagan God? for a
  glimpse at Christianity's powerful Archetypal underpinnings,
  followed by Joseph Atwill's Caesar's Messiah for a look
  at the possible political motivations behind the creation
  of a historical Jesus, and then we'll talk.
 
 The titles look interesting.  We'll revisit this theme when
 the discussion comes up again.  In the meantime, I'll look for 
 them.  Thanks.

I'd also strongly recommend the book emptybill cited,
Hyam Maccoby's The Mythmaker: Paul and the Invention
of Christianity. It's an eye-opener, whether or not
you buy all his arguments, and it's a terrific read.

[FairfieldLife] Re: seeking a mini miracle-sheepskin

  
  And maybe for purposes of consideration let's consider a 
  Jeffersonian Jesus,  i.e. no miracles.
  
  I'd  welcome a reply from anyone.
  
 meowthirt...@... wrote:

 Instead of debating miricles or not, I seek them.  
 namaste
 
 -M
 


Thanks Meow, aren't they wonderful as they happen.  Yep, the world is a 
miraculous place if you got eyes for it.
All Blessings, 
-Buck

[FairfieldLife] Re: seeking a mini miracle-sheepskin

No trouble, happy to be of assistance. Hope it works for
her.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, parsleysage meowthirt...@... wrote:

 THIS is very kind and I forwarded it to her. Thank you ever so for the help. 
 This truly is a mini miracle. A little love really is big and very warm- 
 hopefully this is what she can use. 
 
 :)
 
 -Meow
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  eBay has genuine sheepskin seat belt covers for sale, two for
  $7 plus $4 shipping. They're 5 x 10.5, which sounds about
  right for putting in slippers:
  
  http://tinyurl.com/2dnxy62
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, parsleysage meowthirteen@ wrote:
  
   Instead of debating miricles or not, I seek them. My neighbor has taken 
   in her sister -cancer has spread to brain. Her sister is cold-she is 
   going thru chemo- and has requested some sheepskin to cut into foot 
   shapes and place in her slippers, shoes, etc . She was thinking of enough 
   to cut 2 feet shapes out- and it looks like she wears a 9 or maybe an 8 
   1/2. Any of you have a large piece of sheepskin, an old set of seat 
   covers, or know of any place to get this? I want to offer her some 
   comfort and peace. 
   
   please let me know.
   
   namaste
   
   -M

[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Jesus Really Born on December 25th?



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote:
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote:
   
Theological research shows that Jesus existed historically.
The main witnesses were the gospel writers, St. Paul, their 
disciples and the followers of Jesus at the time of his life
in Judea.
   
   The Gospels were all written many decades after Jesus'
   death. St. Paul never knew Jesus in the flesh either. And
   those who followed him during his lifetime didn't write
   any of the Bible.
  
  What you're saying is correct.  But St. Paul tells us that he 
  himself persecuted the early Christian followers.  This shows
  that the historical Jesus existed through the experience and 
  eyewitness accounts of the followers.
 
 Not really. What Paul tells us shows what Paul wanted
 his audience to believe. And again, we have no
 eyewitness accounts.
 
 Look, I don't have a dog in the fight. I'm neither a
 believer nor a denier. I just think we should make a
 clear distinction between what we know for sure (very
 little) and what is conjecture (most of it). I don't
 like the term witnesses because we really don't have
 any at all, much less eyewitnesses. We have lots of
 long-after-the-fact stories that we have no way of 
 verifying. The Gospel accounts contradict each other
 on many points. There were political interests very
 likely involved in shaping the stories in ways that
 favored one or another group.
 
 What we have is likely bits and pieces of accurate
 information mixed in with a lot of stuff that was
 made up for one reason or another, and in most cases
 we don't have any way of telling the difference.
 

FWIW, St. Paul was a Pharisee and a Roman citizen.  Why would he all of the 
sudden change his mind from persecuting Christians to joining them in the end?  
He spent his lifetime building the new church, amidst difficulties and 
struggles.  He even died for his new found faith in the end.  

There most have been something very significant that was happening to him and 
the Christian community at the time.  For him, the Jesus message was clear and 
struck a new resonance to his old Jewish views.  He did not consider the 
evidence, albeit stories from mostly uneducated followers of Jesus in Judea, to 
be specious.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Jesus Really Born on December 25th?



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote:
 snip
   John, I am quite familiar with orthodox Christians' view
   of Christianity. If you would like to familiarize yourself
   with mine, I'd suggest you read Freke  Gandy's The Jesus
   Mysteries: Was the 'Original Jesus' a Pagan God? for a
   glimpse at Christianity's powerful Archetypal underpinnings,
   followed by Joseph Atwill's Caesar's Messiah for a look
   at the possible political motivations behind the creation
   of a historical Jesus, and then we'll talk.
  
  The titles look interesting.  We'll revisit this theme when
  the discussion comes up again.  In the meantime, I'll look for 
  them.  Thanks.
 
 I'd also strongly recommend the book emptybill cited,
 Hyam Maccoby's The Mythmaker: Paul and the Invention
 of Christianity. It's an eye-opener, whether or not
 you buy all his arguments, and it's a terrific read.


Judy, this book looks controversial by its title.  The subject has been 
addressed before.  The question remains:  If St. Paul made up his story, why 
would he die for it?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Jesus Really Born on December 25th?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_...@... wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote:
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote:

 Theological research shows that Jesus existed historically.
 The main witnesses were the gospel writers, St. Paul, their 
 disciples and the followers of Jesus at the time of his life
 in Judea.

The Gospels were all written many decades after Jesus'
death. St. Paul never knew Jesus in the flesh either. And
those who followed him during his lifetime didn't write
any of the Bible.
   
   What you're saying is correct.  But St. Paul tells us that he 
   himself persecuted the early Christian followers.  This shows
   that the historical Jesus existed through the experience and 
   eyewitness accounts of the followers.
  
  Not really. What Paul tells us shows what Paul wanted
  his audience to believe. And again, we have no
  eyewitness accounts.
  
  Look, I don't have a dog in the fight. I'm neither a
  believer nor a denier. I just think we should make a
  clear distinction between what we know for sure (very
  little) and what is conjecture (most of it). I don't
  like the term witnesses because we really don't have
  any at all, much less eyewitnesses. We have lots of
  long-after-the-fact stories that we have no way of 
  verifying. The Gospel accounts contradict each other
  on many points. There were political interests very
  likely involved in shaping the stories in ways that
  favored one or another group.
  
  What we have is likely bits and pieces of accurate
  information mixed in with a lot of stuff that was
  made up for one reason or another, and in most cases
  we don't have any way of telling the difference.
 
 FWIW, St. Paul was a Pharisee and a Roman citizen.

That's what he says. But Maccoby thinks there's good
evidence in the biblical text that he was a pagan convert
to Judaism who tried and failed to make the grade as a
Pharisee. According to Maccoby, Paul's supposedly
expert rabbinical reasoning in his epistles is a joke; 
it's not even remotely in the Pharisee style.

 Why would he all of the sudden change his mind from 
 persecuting Christians to joining them in the end?

Why not? People change. He could have been disappointed
in Judaism after his conversion from paganism and
trying to justify making a break. Maybe he had trouble
following all the commandments and knew he couldn't be
a good Jew. Maybe it was a sour-grapes kind of thing.

 He spent his lifetime building the new church, amidst
 difficulties and struggles.  He even died for his new found
 faith in the end.  
 
 There most have been something very significant that was
 happening to him and the Christian community at the time.

All we know is what he says. I think he probably did have
some kind of experience on the road to Damascus, but who
knows what it was?

 For him, the Jesus message was clear and struck a new
 resonance to his old Jewish views.

John, he *made up* most of the Jesus message. Read
Maccoby. What he made up was brilliant, but it wasn't
necessarily based on anything Jesus said. Certainly
the notion that Jews who became Christians must stop
following the Law wouldn't have met with Jesus' approval.

But if Paul was a pagan convert to Judaism who discovered
that being a good Jew was harder than he'd thought, his
dismissal of the Law as not just unnecessary but harmful
would make perfect sense psychologically.

 He did not consider the evidence, albeit stories from mostly
 uneducated followers of Jesus in Judea, to be specious.

He was certainly looking for something, but he wasn't
necessarily any more perceptive about whether what he heard
was true than anybody else at the time. Standards for
belief were a lot looser back then.

Bottom line, we can't take anything in the New Testament
as historical documentation unless we can verify it from
other sources.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Jesus Really Born on December 25th?