[FairfieldLife] III 9, your favorite translation?
For me, the IC analysis[1] of YS III 9 seems to be especially tricky. Goes like this: vyutthaana-nirodha-saMskaarayor abhibhava- praadurbhaavau nirodha-kSaNa-cittaanvayo nirodha-pariNaamaH. So, I'd like to know, what is your favorite translation of that suutra? 1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ic_analysis
[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sun...@... wrote: Actually, I think we have had a really nice three month period here. At the risk of sounding corny, I think people have been respecting one another quite a bit more. Differences of opinion are tolerated without devolving into personal attacks, which then seem to never end. Steve, because you're one of the few people here who actually seems to perceive the FFL trends accurately, I'll respond. I do so even though I have been trying my best to stay out of the shit since returning. I agree with you. I think that *in general* FFL has become a tad more tolerant. I see the demonization of Vaj as a *reaction* to that tolerance. Quite a few posters here...uh...frankly...don't have much of anything to say. So they long for the seemingly eternal combativeness and endless demonization of one's enemies that characterized it in the past, and that *hid* the fact that they don't have much of anything to say. Vaj is just the football du jour for those people. I, at least, have seen a different side to Vaj which I have enjoyed. As have I. Unlike some, I see no hidden agenda there, nor any attempt to sell anything. His sin is that he has had a broader range of experience than many here, and they resent him for it. He also pulls no punches when referring to Maharishi and his teachings, which pisses off people who are still -- after all these decades -- heavily invested in MMY. I think that what you're seeing in the Pile On Vaj phenomenon can be characterized by one word: attachment. I see no reason to doubt his TM experience, and never have. This whole diversion was invented by someone who wanted to labelize and demonize him, and far too many people have bought into it in my opinion. His sin, according to some, is that he doesn't use the Standard TM Dogma Language when referring to TM. Neither do I. That doesn't mean that I don't know the dogma, or didn't under- stand it. I just reject it, that's all. So does Vaj. Similar attempts have been made to demonize and labelize Curtis, but in his case those attempts stopped short of declaring that he never learned TM, because too many people here know that he did for the demonizers to get away with it. Same with me. Vaj is more inaccessible, so their tactic works. On some. I've also enjoyed the input from Rory and Jim. I confess to having no opinion on this subject. Neither of them interests me enough to read more than a few words of anything they post. I get no impression that they are trying to sell anything. If so, that would be an improvement. Kudos to them if your perception is accurate. Just offering perspectives that one can take or leave. That is my perspective of what Vaj is doing as well. He's not selling anything, other than the idea that he doesn't consider Maharishi much of an authority, about much of anything. That doesn't push any of my buttons, because I agree with him wholeheartedly. But it *does* seem to push buttons in some others. They -- again, after all these decades -- seem to be still caught in the samskara of Criticize my spiritual teacher and you're criticizing *me*. I'm sorry, but I find that 'tude sad and not worth wasting any time on. For the record, my approach now is very simple. I have gone out of my way to not attack anyone here, and will continue to do so. If anyone makes a post attacking me -- especially if they are doing so based on nothing in the present, only some past grudge that they can't let go of -- their name goes on a list and I stop reading their posts or responding to them. Suffice it to say you're not one of them, Steve. Neither are some others with whom I have argued in the past, because they *didn't* react to my return by trotting out old grudges and trying to restart the olde back-and-forth insult trading. Instead, they initiated seemingly respectful conversations, and I replied in kind. I think the pile on phenomenon is 1) lazy, and 2) embarrassing. Anyone who indulges in it while claiming to be a spiritual seeker is just not worth my time. Others may see things differently, and get off by continuing their demonization-fests. They will do so without my participation.
[FairfieldLife] Android (was iTurq)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: On 01/05/2011 10:09 AM, PaliGap wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@ wrote: On 01/05/2011 09:46 AM, PaliGap wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@ wrote: On 01/05/2011 04:11 AM, PaliGap wrote: For me I see a fork in the-road-that-goes-ever-onwards in 2011: Go i, or go Android? You have a much, much greater choice of devices and service provides with Android. I have an Android phone and make Android apps. Not a cult member but just like the Open Source concept over closed shop. Open Source - yes, I like that too. The thing I'm a bit concerned about is looming security issues with Android. Or don't you think that's a problem? e.g. goo.gl/klXui It will always be a problem with popular platforms but for the most part it is limited to certain kind of apps. Most of those get jerked from the Android Market. And similar apps have appeared for the iPhone too. Put that way, I'm encouraged. But I thought Apple had put in place a somewhat aggressive approval process for iApps. Rather oppressive for developers, but perhaps good news on the security front. Or have I got that wrong? You really thing that Apple has a bunch of sweaty geeks reviewing each app? They probably go through some computerized process. If anything is flagged then maybe a human looks at it. Do a search and you'll find that there have been malicious apps on iPhones too. The OS is very secure especially compared to Windows which had a bad security model to start with. Where people are finding malicious apps are when they get them some other place than the Market or a trusted site. The OS you refer to above being Android? Compared to Windows - sets the bar a bit low? Security built-in by design is clearly the main thing. And you're saying Android scores well on that count? Good. I saw this today: Amazon is inviting Android developers to upload their applications for listing in a better class of app store, at a price set by Amazon and only available within the USA. The application store will launch later this year, but developers who sign up now get a free year before they have to start stumping up the $99 annual fee. For their money, developers get listed in a store that reviews every application submitted, and rejects the tat as well as the unstable or inadequately tested, but more importantly Amazon can offer access to shoppers who only dropped in to buy a book.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers
There has been no peace creating effect because there is no such thing as the ME. Lovely if there was, but there isn't. FWIW, IMO ME might be something like this: An example from Nature: When a queen ant is spatially separated from her colony, building still continues fervently and according to plan. If the queen is killed, however, all work in the colony stops. No ant knows what to do. Apparently the queen sends the building plans also from far away via the group consciousness of her subjects. She can be as far away as she wants, as long as she is alive. In man hypercommunication is most often encountered when one suddenly gains access to information that is outside one's knowledge base.
[FairfieldLife] Repost: Max Planck's slogans!
I regard consciousness as fundamental. I regard matter as derivative from consciousness. We cannot get behind consciousness. Everything that we talk about, everything that we regard as existing, postulates consciousness. As quoted in The Observer (25 January 1931) We have no right to assume that any physical laws exist, or if they have existed up to now, that they will continue to exist in a similar manner in the future. The Universe in the Light of Modern Physics (1931) Anybody who has been seriously engaged in scientific work of any kind realizes that over the entrance to the gates of the temple of science are written the words: Ye must have faith. It is a quality which the scientist cannot dispense with. Where Is Science Going? (1932) It is not the possession of truth, but the success which attends the seeking after it, that enriches the seeker and brings happiness to him. Where Is Science Going? (1932) Science cannot solve the ultimate mystery of nature. And that is because, in the last analysis, we ourselves are part of nature and therefore part of the mystery that we are trying to solve. Where is Science Going? (1932)
[FairfieldLife] 89th Annual Guru Pooja Invitation
Om Dath Sath Guruparabrammane Nam: Lord Srimath Sadhananda Bramme Gurudevadath Swamigal 89th Annual Guru Pooja Invitation 22-01-2010 On Saturday You please kindly come to the Gurupooja and receive the blessings of Lord Siva-Sath-Gurunathar President Swamy Chinmayananda Arulmigu Gurudevadath Sri Sadhananda Swamigal Seva Trust ( Regd.No.actXX1 of 1860 S.No.860 of 2009 ) Sadhanandapuram (near to New Perungalathur) Chennai 600 063 Landmark: Take left at before New Perungalathur Railway / Police station and go further 1km in the second road bend u will find the temple board at your left ,take that turn and take first right and take first left in will ends at this Jeeva samadhi temple. Temple will be open from morning 7am to night 8 pm. Railway station : Perungalathur next to Tambaram Share Auto from Perungalathur Railway/Police station Bus: Tambaram to Sadhanandapuram M55G, 55D, M118A Guru Pooja Invitation in pdf http://www.mediafire.com/?fc2tan4nglbdl Srimath Sadhananda Swamigal Story http://www.mediafire.com/?0v1hz7cvshyidxv Free Tamil Devotional Speech CD playing 27 Hrs http://www.mediafire.com/?fc2tan4nglbdl ( If free CD need Pl Mail me : chamundih...@gmail.com ) Regards Harimanikandan.V H/P :9841267823 chamundih...@gmail.com http://sadhanandaswamigal.blogspot.com http://chamundihari.wordpress.com (-)o-o(-)(Be Good Do Good)(-)o-o(-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers
OK .. Vaj thank you so much you seem to know much about these techniques,,, could you detail here the tm-dhis do you know? who's Tat Walla Baba ? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Jan 5, 2011, at 8:02 PM, Marcio wrote: ok everybody talked talked talked, but about the techniques of mantra about the details of the additions of fertilizer nobody said almost nothing, anyone know about the different versions of tm-sidhid ? why reason MMY only selected 18 Sutras of Patanjali ... there are several Sutras of Patanjali in his book, but because reason MMY chose only some sutras ? someone can tell the reason? On the original experimental courses, which were brought out at the moment the TM Org was about to go broke as a money-making idea, some were discarded and some were kept. I can post the original set when I have time. According to the successor of Tat Walla Baba there were several defects in the TM-Sidhi program: one was what you mention, they are supposed to ALL be done in sequence, not merely a subset. They are also supposed to be done in natural language, Sanskrit (not English). Of course this would all depend on whether you accept Tat Walla Baba (and his successor) as authorities. The Shankaracharya tradition is quite emphatic on not cultivating yogic siddhis at all, it's not supportive of balanced awakening and also tends to make some people very egocentric. They get enamoured with their own experiences or experience in general
[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers
ok whynotnow7 thankyou I practice TM-siddhis and my list is equal to that list vaj put here previously, ... but I know there are other versions ... inlcisive of invisibilidae ... could you describe your list of sutras that you have received from MMY? or send to my email tmer1...@gmail.com thank you again --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotn...@... wrote: Yeah, Maharishi developed a sequence from Patanjali's work that he felt would bring about a coherent unfolding or expansion of consciousness. I did them for many years and found them very helpful, but too powerful - by that I mean I had trouble grounding myself over time, to continue (and time consuming...). I think its a credible spiritual product (TM-Sidhis), though quite expensive now. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: ok everybody talked talked talked, but about the techniques of mantra about the details of the additions of fertilizer nobody said almost nothing, anyone know about the different versions of tm-sidhid ? why reason MMY only selected 18 Sutras of Patanjali ... there are several Sutras of Patanjali in his book, but because reason MMY chose only some sutras ? someone can tell the reason?
[FairfieldLife] Re: how is Joe doing
Joe's doing fine. The procedure went smoothly and his heart is sound. He thanks those who were concerned for their good wishes, but he's just not in an FFL mood right now. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB turquoi...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@ wrote: how is Joe doing any news? I have heard nothing, but just sent him a message on FB, and will pass along any news if I hear it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers
i pratice tmsidhis for 20 yers :) WillyTex very good .. very good .. could you be more clear I sit and repeat Aingor Shiri Aing namah in the heart chakra? how many minutes .. sitting or lying thankyou or send for my email tmer1...@gmail.com (you have good knowledge about these techniques) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: Marcio: ...everybody talked talked talked, but about the techniques of mantra about the details of the additions of fertilizer nobody said almost nothing... It's very common for TM Teachers to keep secrets - that's why even the ex-TM Teachers on the forum won't tell you the secrets of the MMY's advanced techniques. After years of reading the messages these people post, I must say I'm really disappointed - they suck as informants! The first advanced technique was popularly known as the 'Night Technique' and is one of the most subtle and profound yoga techniques known to adepts. The technique involves a type of siddha yoga to be performed just before sleeping. The Night Technique involves empowerment, pure and simple, and comes naturally, based on one's spiritual evolution. It is akin to 'dejavu', that is, the ability to remember, on a very subtle level, a previous life experience. This special sense of perception or seeing, involves yet another further subtlety, a very subtle perception of an altered STATE previously experienced, whether in this life or the past. The Night Technique is best performed in a personal zone of tranquility, one that is built and arranged according to Vastu principles. In addition, the orientation of the body is crucial to the success of these types of siddha yoga, an aspect often overlooked by beginners, who unwittingly sometimes sit or sleep with their backs toward the south door. Most TMers only repeat the bija portion of their mantra when they sit in meditation. However, according to Marshy, in deep sleep the entire mantra with the sri and the namah may be repeated. When I practice Marshy's secret Night Technique, I often fall asleep with the bija portion of my mantra still in my mind. When practicing the Night Technique, Satyanand advised me to be aware of the area just above my heart chakra, and to put the bija there and let it rest. Then, all you have to do is babysit your bija, right on your heart chakra. Just set it, and forget it! By resting your bija at the heart chakra, the subtle currents from your Istadevata will permeate your entire being. For example, my Istadevata is Saraswati, the Goddess of Learning. By resting the bija portion of her name, that is, 'aing', at the heart chakra, my intelligence grows by leaps and bounds, right while I'm sleeping! Then, when I awake in the morning I will feel refreshed and full of energy and knowledge. With the Night Technique you can forget about using an alarm clock to wake up. You just formulate in your mind what time you would like to awaken. It's that simple!
[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers
steve.sundur cool friend I only asked if the techniques are true, because these techniques are across the network, available on the internet .. but where did they originate? someone put for fun .. or actually received from MMY? I do not doubt Vaj or anyone on this forum ... this is not the focus of the question, I come in peace okay? :) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sun...@... wrote: Marcio, you seem rather pathetic. You got what you wanted, but you go on and on with, Are you sure it's true Vaj? Is it really true Vaj? You're not putting me on,are you Vaj? If you still have so much doubt, why not pay for the techniques and find out. After all, he could be fooling you. Maybe they got changed, or maybe updated. Stranger things have happened. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: wow very good Vaj thank you so much ...:) :) :) :) these advanced techniques you think are true ? thank you again .. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Jan 5, 2011, at 9:37 AM, Marcio wrote: You know where I can find these advanced techniques? I do not want to pay dollars to learn http://minet.org/ http://minet.org/mantras.html The TM and TM-Sidhi Techniques As reported in the TM-EX Newsletter, and from other sources. Disclaimer - read this first. All information here is provided for historical and research purposes only. Information and program details obtained from this website are not to be used for the purpose of meditation. Website contents are not furnished for the facilitation of, or use in, meditation, any kind of mental practice or exercise, or for any other purpose whatsoever. This website and its author do not and will not provide meditation instruction by any means. Repetitious? Yes, because some people can't take a hint. Provided for historical and research purposes only. That means, these mantras and other information about these programs are not here for you to use for meditation, or use them for any other purpose. In case it isn't already obvious to you, this website is that of a critic who no longer practices TM, and who is, depending on the weather, indifferent to TM, critical of TM, and openly laughing at the silliness of the TM programs. (You wasted your money on this crap? [Join the club.]) And, yeah, every so often I'm just a tiny, tiny bit angry at the fact that a very few people have gained wealth and power through the creation of this very elaborate, intricate, complicated mountain of bullshit, through which many people have wasted thousands of dollars and many hours if not lifetimes. But this website is done, it's been sitting here mostly unchanged for almost ten years, and frankly I now care very little about Transcendental Meditation and the organizations that teach it, except as a cultural and social phenomenon specific to a few decades of contemporary American history. Nor do I care what you think of me or this website. The mantras and program details were provided to me by former TM teachers in the distant past. They are placed here just to show that all they are, are a few silly little syllables that are neither unique to the meditator nor were they selected by some elaborate secret method. Now, if for some reason the above is unclear to you, and you're sitting there composing an e-mail to me about these mantras that starts out I read the disclaimer but, well, don't. Go here and read some snippets of previous e-mails I've received, instead. The TM technique is simple mental repetition of a mantra or word. The TM movement claims that only specific words can be used. They claim that the selection of words is based upon a secret formula. Court documents have shed some light on this secret process. It is nothing other than a set of words given out by age, and/or age and sex, depending on the teacher training course the TM teacher attended. The TM-Sidhi program is nothing other than a set of sutras (words or phrases), mentally repeated every fifteen seconds after doing a twenty minute session of TM. Each sutra is repeated twice, with a 15 second pause in between each repetition. The TM Mantra Tables 1961 1969-Male 1969-Female Fiuggi, 1972 Sex Mantra Age Mantra Age Mantra Age Mantra MALE RAM 0-15 ING 0-15 IM 10-11 ING FEMALE SHIRIRAM 15-30 AING 15-30 AIM 12-13 IM 30-45 SHRING 30-45 SHRIM 14-15 INGA 46 + SHIAM 46 + SHIAMA 16-17 IMA 18-19 AYING 20-21 AYIM 22-23 AYINGA
[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotn...@... wrote: Hi Nabby, To follow up on my own post - eeek - It isn't the content of what anyone says on FFL. Those criticizing TM the Sidhis and Maharishi don't bother me (anymore). But fair is fair - If I see something I want to challenge or point out, that is my right too. Hopefully it keeps things interesting. Much more enjoyable than lobbing insults at one other, not to say a well worded zinger isn't fun - once in awhile. It's good you take the time to do so. Rest assure that this Vaj-fellow will never give up his crusade against everything related to TM. Nor will the Turq. As soon as Judy is back from holiday we will be back to where we were before his excile. Thanks for your kind message on FB by the way :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: I've noticed that Vaj will often use distorted logic in order to have reality match his emotional state. In other words it is more important to him to ensure that TM or Maharishi are denegrated rather than get the foundation of his statements accurate. It is this that I apparently enjoy pointing out to him. And yes, rest assured the cat hasn't done TM. He thinks his esoteric knowledge of meditation allows him to fill in the blanks on that technique, but that is merely a fantasy. He is most concerned with promoting Vipassana (sp?) techniques and knocking anything else. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Hi Vaj, you left out that you have no actual experience with these advanced techniques, or TM for that matter, so that your negative assessment of these techniques is pure speculation and bias. Ever hear the expression, Don't knock it 'til you've tried it? I haven't done any of the advanced techniques either, as I considered them too expensive at $200 a pop several decades ago. Probably better for you not to mislead others here as to your (non-existent) experience with all things TM. Thinking you've done it and actually being initiated into TM are two very different things. BINGO It's also eveident that it did'nt take the Turq many days of coming back from his self-proclaimed exile, who nobody believed a word of anyway, before he is back to where he left off; 1) to forward his hatered towards the TMO and 2) to support the Vaj in all things perverted.
[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On Jan 5, 2011, at 3:59 PM, Marcio wrote: hello .. Who is vaj .. everyone here do not like him why not? Because he is a patological lier on a crusade for Buddhism against TM ?
[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 fest...@... wrote: I think any fair-minded reader looking back over the last week or so would see Jim and Rory as writing quite interesting and pleasant posts. The mean-spirited posts come from Sal herself, who appears to be merely projecting onto others her own negative and cynical feelings. BINGO !
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers
Thanks that could be part of the Vaj FAQ! On Jan 6, 2011, at 5:00 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sun...@... wrote: Actually, I think we have had a really nice three month period here. At the risk of sounding corny, I think people have been respecting one another quite a bit more. Differences of opinion are tolerated without devolving into personal attacks, which then seem to never end. Steve, because you're one of the few people here who actually seems to perceive the FFL trends accurately, I'll respond. I do so even though I have been trying my best to stay out of the shit since returning. I agree with you. I think that *in general* FFL has become a tad more tolerant. I see the demonization of Vaj as a *reaction* to that tolerance. Quite a few posters here...uh...frankly...don't have much of anything to say. So they long for the seemingly eternal combativeness and endless demonization of one's enemies that characterized it in the past, and that *hid* the fact that they don't have much of anything to say. Vaj is just the football du jour for those people. I, at least, have seen a different side to Vaj which I have enjoyed. As have I. Unlike some, I see no hidden agenda there, nor any attempt to sell anything. His sin is that he has had a broader range of experience than many here, and they resent him for it. He also pulls no punches when referring to Maharishi and his teachings, which pisses off people who are still -- after all these decades -- heavily invested in MMY. I think that what you're seeing in the Pile On Vaj phenomenon can be characterized by one word: attachment. I see no reason to doubt his TM experience, and never have. This whole diversion was invented by someone who wanted to labelize and demonize him, and far too many people have bought into it in my opinion. His sin, according to some, is that he doesn't use the Standard TM Dogma Language when referring to TM. Neither do I. That doesn't mean that I don't know the dogma, or didn't under- stand it. I just reject it, that's all. So does Vaj. Similar attempts have been made to demonize and labelize Curtis, but in his case those attempts stopped short of declaring that he never learned TM, because too many people here know that he did for the demonizers to get away with it. Same with me. Vaj is more inaccessible, so their tactic works. On some. I've also enjoyed the input from Rory and Jim. I confess to having no opinion on this subject. Neither of them interests me enough to read more than a few words of anything they post. I get no impression that they are trying to sell anything. If so, that would be an improvement. Kudos to them if your perception is accurate. Just offering perspectives that one can take or leave. That is my perspective of what Vaj is doing as well. He's not selling anything, other than the idea that he doesn't consider Maharishi much of an authority, about much of anything. That doesn't push any of my buttons, because I agree with him wholeheartedly. But it *does* seem to push buttons in some others. They -- again, after all these decades -- seem to be still caught in the samskara of Criticize my spiritual teacher and you're criticizing *me*. I'm sorry, but I find that 'tude sad and not worth wasting any time on. For the record, my approach now is very simple. I have gone out of my way to not attack anyone here, and will continue to do so. If anyone makes a post attacking me -- especially if they are doing so based on nothing in the present, only some past grudge that they can't let go of -- their name goes on a list and I stop reading their posts or responding to them. Suffice it to say you're not one of them, Steve. Neither are some others with whom I have argued in the past, because they *didn't* react to my return by trotting out old grudges and trying to restart the olde back-and-forth insult trading. Instead, they initiated seemingly respectful conversations, and I replied in kind. I think the pile on phenomenon is 1) lazy, and 2) embarrassing. Anyone who indulges in it while claiming to be a spiritual seeker is just not worth my time. Others may see things differently, and get off by continuing their demonization-fests. They will do so without my participation.
[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers
Nice summary. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: Feste37, Sal is obviously irony impaired. Without a doubt, FFLife has been a kinder gentler place with Turq gone. Now that he's back his toadies, Sal and Vaj, are eager to join him in squashing as many tender feelings as possible. Jim, you have no reason to apologize to Sal, Vaj, Turq or anyone else for telling us about your experiences. No matter how hokey it seems to others that you experience the mantra like peanut butter or wonder if the deities are real or created imaginings, that is *your* experience and you deserve respect for sharing it. Anyone who resents or diminishes you for expressing your feelings probably kicks dogs and pinches babies for the hell of it. Rory, I don't subscribe to your kill them with kindness technique, or maybe you're applying a form of turn the other cheek jujitsu. I don't understand it, but I respect your commitment to living your truth for the sake of becoming a better person. Sorry, but it just doesn't feel *right* to thank someone for kicking me in the ass. IMO it only encourages them to do it again. You're a better man than I am, Gunga Din! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote: I apologize whole-heartedly, Sal, to you and Vaj and Turq and everyone else for all the obvious bullsh*it and mean-spiritedness you have spotted in me and called me on. Many thanks for doing so; I appreciate it, and am giving it my full attention and intention to heal it. *L*L*L* --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Jan 5, 2011, at 3:59 PM, Marcio wrote: hello .. Who is vaj .. everyone here do not like him why not? The two people doing the heckling, Jim Flanegin (aka whynotnow) and Rory Goff like to fancy themselves teachers (Rory supposedly even has his own groupies here in Fairfield) and when anybody calls them on their obvious bullsh*it and mean-spritidness they respond negatively, to put it mildly. Just ignore them. Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers
On Jan 6, 2011, at 5:20 AM, cardemaister wrote: There has been no peace creating effect because there is no such thing as the ME. Lovely if there was, but there isn't. FWIW, IMO ME might be something like this: An example from Nature: When a queen ant is spatially separated from her colony, building still continues fervently and according to plan. If the queen is killed, however, all work in the colony stops. No ant knows what to do. Apparently the queen sends the building plans also from far away via the group consciousness of her subjects. She can be as far away as she wants, as long as she is alive. In man hypercommunication is most often encountered when one suddenly gains access to information that is outside one's knowledge base. I think I see what you're trying to say and I do believe that is supposed to happen in a living, authentic spiritual transmission (where an awakened teacher passes on his or her awakening to a student). Once that happens, the student is no longer required to hang around the teacher. They now have the source of knowledge alive within them. External props of all sorts can now fall away. Entire volumes of knowledge are accessible once one is established in nonduality. Proximity to the teacher is no longer necessary. Negative and destructive emotions decline, making the person attractive simply by the absence of enmity they embody.
[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: Of course this would all depend on whether you accept Tat Walla Baba (and his successor) as authorities. The Shankaracharya tradition is quite emphatic on not cultivating yogic siddhis at all, it's not supportive of balanced awakening and also tends to make some people very egocentric. They get enamoured with their own experiences or experience in general FWIW, IMO advaita-vedaanta meditation techniques are suitable mainly for those who have mastered the siddhis several lifetimes ago... ;D
[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: Of course this would all depend on whether you accept Tat Walla Baba (and his successor) as authorities. The Shankaracharya tradition is quite emphatic on not cultivating yogic siddhis at all, it's not supportive of balanced awakening and also tends to make some people very egocentric. They get enamoured with their own experiences or experience in general FWIW, IMO advaita-vedaanta meditation techniques are suitable mainly for those who have mastered the siddhis several lifetimes ago... ;D ... and become *prasaMkhyaane* [...] akusiidaa-s! (IV 29)
[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB turquoi...@... wrote: I think the pile on phenomenon is 1) lazy, and 2) embarrassing. Anyone who indulges in it while claiming to be a spiritual seeker is just not worth my time. Others may see things differently, and get off by continuing their demonization-fests. They will do so without my participation. Thanks for reply. As far a Vaj, I have to say, he has always come off as sounding credible to me. But I have no way of knowing about the four kinds of pranayama, or whether the three succcessors to Shankaras in the north, and two in the south followed or perverted his teachings, or if introducing the mantra after 15 seconds or 40 seconds, or waiting for it to show up on its on qualifies of as one of three different kinds of samadhi. I don't really care and I pretty much tune out after the first line or so. But others may (and evidently do) know more about it than me.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers
Neat fact. Reasonable connection in my mind. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_re...@... wrote: There has been no peace creating effect because there is no such thing as the ME. Lovely if there was, but there isn't. FWIW, IMO ME might be something like this: An example from Nature: When a queen ant is spatially separated from her colony, building still continues fervently and according to plan. If the queen is killed, however, all work in the colony stops. No ant knows what to do. Apparently the queen sends the building plans also from far away via the group consciousness of her subjects. She can be as far away as she wants, as long as she is alive. In man hypercommunication is most often encountered when one suddenly gains access to information that is outside one's knowledge base.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Repost: Max Planck's slogans!
Neat quotes too, from one of the fathers of QM. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_re...@... wrote: I regard consciousness as fundamental. I regard matter as derivative from consciousness. We cannot get behind consciousness. Everything that we talk about, everything that we regard as existing, postulates consciousness. As quoted in The Observer (25 January 1931) We have no right to assume that any physical laws exist, or if they have existed up to now, that they will continue to exist in a similar manner in the future. The Universe in the Light of Modern Physics (1931) Anybody who has been seriously engaged in scientific work of any kind realizes that over the entrance to the gates of the temple of science are written the words: Ye must have faith. It is a quality which the scientist cannot dispense with. Where Is Science Going? (1932) It is not the possession of truth, but the success which attends the seeking after it, that enriches the seeker and brings happiness to him. Where Is Science Going? (1932) Science cannot solve the ultimate mystery of nature. And that is because, in the last analysis, we ourselves are part of nature and therefore part of the mystery that we are trying to solve. Where is Science Going? (1932)
[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sun...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@ wrote: I think the pile on phenomenon is 1) lazy, and 2) embarrassing. Anyone who indulges in it while claiming to be a spiritual seeker is just not worth my time. Others may see things differently, and get off by continuing their demonization-fests. They will do so without my participation. Thanks for reply. As far as Vaj, I have to say, he has always come off as sounding credible to me. But I have no way of knowing about the four kinds of pranayama, or whether the three succcessors to Shankaras in the north, and two in the south followed or perverted his teachings, or if introducing the mantra after 15 seconds or 40 seconds, or waiting for it to show up on its on qualifies of as one of three different kinds of samadhi. I don't really care and I pretty much tune out after the first line or so. But others may (and evidently do) know more about it than me. LOL. I'm with you on this. I like Vaj, but from my perspective he's an authority waver, waving some OPINION stated by some supposed authority and feeling as if that settles things. It doesn't settle things for me. I give the guys he cites no more authority than I give Maharishi, which is to say, none. They might have been nice guys, or even enlightened, but BFD. They were still guys, and very much human, and IMO their teachings, whatever they were, are no less OPINION than MMY's. I think that some of the things he posts about the things actually taught in a certified Shankaracharya lineage (as opposed to what MMY taught) are useful in pinpointing some of the ways that MMY went wrong. For example, if the real tradition says that trying to learn the siddhis has a tendency to make one egocentric and enamoured with their own experiences or with subjective experience in general, and I've *seen that myself*, in dozens if not hundreds of TM-siddhi practitioners, my ears might perk up. Not because of the authority saying this, but because their OPINION synchs with my real-life experience. In contrast, if one of Vaj's (or anyone's) cited authorities says something that does NOT synch with my experience, I still consider what the supposed authority says OPINION, but worthless OPINION. At least for me. It might have value for someone else. That's just my approach to the spiritual smorgasbord. I hold NO ONE to be an absolute authority. NO ONE. They were just guys -- and the occasional gal -- who had OPINIONs, that's all. Those OPINIONs are of use to me only if intuitively they seem to match my real-life experience.
[FairfieldLife] Two cool photos...
...passed along for your enjoyment. The first is a composite: the same scene photographed every day for a year, and then put together to present a kind of full-year timescape: [http://eirikso.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Allof2010.jpg] http://eirikso.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Allof2010.jpg http://eirikso.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Allof2010.jpg The second strikes a real resonance with me because I've hiked Arches National Park at night, and this photo is like deja vu. The Four Corners area is one of the least populated areas of America, and magical as a result: [http://i.imgur.com/JLcF3.jpg] http://i.imgur.com/JLcF3.jpg http://i.imgur.com/JLcF3.jpg
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jpgillam wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter wrote: There has been no peace creating effect because there is no such thing as the ME. Lovely if there was, but there isn't. Peter, would you be willing to talk a little more about the issues around super radiance? You've explained the problem with Maharishi Effect research, but I don't recall any instance where you've talked about collective consciousness in general. Offhand, I'm seeing three parts of the issue you might address: 1. Whether there's such a phenomenon as collective consciousness. 2. Whether group meditations have an effect on collective consciousness. 3. Whether there's any relationship between consciousness and activity. Thanks. For that matter, I'd like to hear from anyone about these issues. All of the people who have issues with the TM organization, for example, might want to weigh in with their perspectives and those of their teaching traditions.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers
On Jan 6, 2011, at 9:32 AM, jpgillam wrote: For that matter, I'd like to hear from anyone about these issues. All of the people who have issues with the TM organization, for example, might want to weigh in with their perspectives and those of their teaching traditions. In many tantric mantra teachings, practices can be done for certain effects. Consequently one might do a practice for someone who is sick or has a particular problem, and the visualization to actuate that process, along with the action mantras to begin the effect you desire, are taught. In some cases groups of people may physically encircle such a person to help them, groups may connect via the internet to help a certain person at a certain time, from a distance (we use a universal calendar for synching) or both. Those who are skilled in transference of consciousness may do the practice on their selves and then transfer the benefit to the other persons energetic body. Those experienced in death practices may assist people who are dying. Practitioners who know rasayana practice may empower specially prepared medicines during a retreat and pass them on to an ill person. There are many such practices.
[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers
Hi RD, Thanks for your summary. Yes I agree this has been a far different place for a few months (sigh). As for thanking Sal for calling me on my BS, I was referring to her statement about me setting myself above others. It is useful advice for me to dislike the behavior, not the person. It is a good reminder at any time. Was I doing that? Possibly - it is a good avenue of investigation. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: I think any fair-minded reader looking back over the last week or so would see Jim and Rory as writing quite interesting and pleasant posts. The mean-spirited posts come from Sal herself, who appears to be merely projecting onto others her own negative and cynical feelings. Feste37, Sal is obviously irony impaired. Without a doubt, FFLife has been a kinder gentler place with Turq gone. Now that he's back his toadies, Sal and Vaj, are eager to join him in squashing as many tender feelings as possible. Jim, you have no reason to apologize to Sal, Vaj, Turq or anyone else for telling us about your experiences. No matter how hokey it seems to others that you experience the mantra like peanut butter or wonder if the deities are real or created imaginings, that is *your* experience and you deserve respect for sharing it. Anyone who resents or diminishes you for expressing your feelings probably kicks dogs and pinches babies for the hell of it. Rory, I don't subscribe to your kill them with kindness technique, or maybe you're applying a form of turn the other cheek jujitsu. I don't understand it, but I respect your commitment to living your truth for the sake of becoming a better person. Sorry, but it just doesn't feel *right* to thank someone for kicking me in the ass. IMO it only encourages them to do it again. You're a better man than I am, Gunga Din! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote: I apologize whole-heartedly, Sal, to you and Vaj and Turq and everyone else for all the obvious bullsh*it and mean-spiritedness you have spotted in me and called me on. Many thanks for doing so; I appreciate it, and am giving it my full attention and intention to heal it. *L*L*L* --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Jan 5, 2011, at 3:59 PM, Marcio wrote: hello .. Who is vaj .. everyone here do not like him why not? The two people doing the heckling, Jim Flanegin (aka whynotnow) and Rory Goff like to fancy themselves teachers (Rory supposedly even has his own groupies here in Fairfield) and when anybody calls them on their obvious bullsh*it and mean-spritidness they respond negatively, to put it mildly. Just ignore them. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers
yifuxero: And then there are the partial truths... is there any 'partial truth' to Vaj's claim that MMY murdered SBS? You failed to make any comments on that, so I pretty much wrote you off as an impartial critic on this forum.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Two cool photos...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB turquoi...@... wrote: ...passed along for your enjoyment. The first is a composite: the same scene photographed every day for a year, and then put together to present a kind of full-year timescape: The second strikes a real resonance with me because I've hiked Arches National Park at night, and this photo is like deja vu. The Four Corners area is one of the least populated areas of America, and magical as a result: fantastische foto Geachte heer can imagine your are sitting there by the fire under the arch and spinning your tales of your life of your child and of others more so quiet and peaceful tranquil and blissful there's a kind of magic in the air! what a truly magnificent view! a breathtaking scene And the dreams of the world in the palm of your hand It's all so beautiful like a landscape painting in the sky stars are zooming higher Little girls cry. Your world is spinning and spinning It's unbelievable sends You reeling Are You dreaming? Are You dreaming? Oh it's bliss Thanks go ahead spinning your tales on and on the morning is far old dude
[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers
Sorry Dude - When I received them, the list of sutras, it was as a student, not a teacher. Same deal now. I suggest you look elsewhere. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1...@... wrote: ok whynotnow7 thankyou I practice TM-siddhis and my list is equal to that list vaj put here previously, ... but I know there are other versions ... inlcisive of invisibilidae ... could you describe your list of sutras that you have received from MMY? or send to my email tmer1...@... thank you again --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Yeah, Maharishi developed a sequence from Patanjali's work that he felt would bring about a coherent unfolding or expansion of consciousness. I did them for many years and found them very helpful, but too powerful - by that I mean I had trouble grounding myself over time, to continue (and time consuming...). I think its a credible spiritual product (TM-Sidhis), though quite expensive now. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: ok everybody talked talked talked, but about the techniques of mantra about the details of the additions of fertilizer nobody said almost nothing, anyone know about the different versions of tm-sidhid ? why reason MMY only selected 18 Sutras of Patanjali ... there are several Sutras of Patanjali in his book, but because reason MMY chose only some sutras ? someone can tell the reason?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Two cool photos...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB turquoi...@... wrote: The second strikes a real resonance with me because I've hiked Arches National Park at night, and this photo is like deja vu. The Four Corners area is one of the least populated areas of America, and magical as a result: fantastische foto Geachte heer can imagine your are sitting there by the fire under the arch and spinning your tales of your life of your child and of others more so quiet and peaceful tranquil and blissful there's a kind of magic in the air! what a truly magnificent view! a breathtaking scene And the dreams of the world in the palm of your hand It's all so beautiful like a landscape painting in the sky stars are zooming high faintly little girls cry. and Your world is spinning and spinning unbelievable sends You reeling Are You dreaming? Are You dreaming? Oh it's bliss Thanks go ahead spinning your tales on and on the morning is far old dude
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jpgillam jpgil...@... wrote: For that matter, I'd like to hear from anyone about these issues. All of the people who have issues with the TM organization, for example, might want to weigh in with their perspectives and those of their teaching traditions. Patrick, earlier today I read your request above and only two phrases popped to my mind when I tried to describe my feelings about the supposed Maharishi Effect: narcissism and self-importance. I decided not to reply, because I didn't think that very many who have invested heavily *in* that narcissism and self-importance would get what I'm suggesting is wrong with a practice that is IMO almost completely based in narcissism and self-importance. Interestingly, a few hours later I ran across this interesting blog on Huffpost. In it, Rabbi Alan Lurie put my feelings into words better than I could have. Emphasis (bolding) below is mine. The Allure of Narcissistic Spirituality http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rabbi-alan-lurie/the-allure-of-spiritual-\ n_b_803415.html Several months ago, my wife and I attended a prayer service at a synagogue that is well known for its spiritual, and spirited, approach. As we entered, the rabbi was leading a meditation. Close your eyes and breathe in the peace of Shabbat [the Sabbath]. she said. And on the out-breathe imagine that you are sending healing love to all beings. We passed a man who appeared to be deep in meditation. His eyes were closed, and through a slightly opened smile he slowly breathed in and out. As we moved to our seats, I accidentally stepped on his toe. He quickly turned toward me; his smile vanished and he angrily hissed, Hey, watch it, buddy! In the irony of a person being angry at a stranger for accidentally interrupting his meditation about universal, unconditional love, this man demonstrated the disturbing, alluring and all-too common phenomenon of spiritual narcissism. To understand spiritual narcissism we must first understand the word spirituality. My acting definition is, The experience of a transformative connection. In other words, spirituality is experienced -- it is not a concept or construct. It transforms us. It changes how we act, think and feel in all environments. And it is a connection -- a profound contact with something and someone outside of our selves. All three of these components are needed in order for spirituality to occur, but the most essential is that it be a connection -- between a person and the Divine, or between one person and another. Spiritual practices are designed to facilitate these connections, and begin with the knowledge that we have two selves: an ego-self and a true-Self. The ego-self is built on our strategy for ensuring that we are physically safe, stemming from our interpretation of the experiences of our lives (primarily our childhood) in which we determined what was required in order to survive. The ego-self may need to impress, dominate or control and sees others as either threats or tools. There is nothing inherently wrong with the ego-self; it is a necessary structure put in place so that we can survive in physical reality. But it is not who we really are, and we can not make a spiritual connection from it. Our true-Self, however, which is often referred to as our soul, contains the very purpose that we incarnated, and is in constant connection with Spirit/Consciousness/Creation/God. It sees others as fellow souls with equally needed purposes, and has compassion for the suffering that comes from the ego-self's attachment to things. Spiritual practices help us to loosen the grip of the ego-self and to connect to the true-Self, so that we can live purposefully, be of service and participate in love. The central Biblical injunction to Love your neighbor as yourself is usually interpreted to mean that we must learn to love others, with the assumption that we already love ourselves. Literally translated, though, this line actually reads, And you will [in the future tense] love your fellow in the same way that you love yourself. In other words, we will love another to the extent and in the way that we love ourselves. If you are harsh with yourself, you will be harsh with others. If you can not forgive yourself, you can not forgive others. In this way, this line is not a commandment, but is a statement of fact. The truth is that most of us do not love ourselves very well, and consequently we hurt others. This is why spiritual practices so often seek to teach us how to love ourselves, so that we can better love others. Real love naturally flows in two directions. Spiritual practices becomes narcissistic, though, when the ego-self hijacks the process and assumes that it is the object of self love, becoming enamored of looking in the mirror and claiming that its reflection is the true-Self. Then we loose our way, forgetting that the purpose of learning to love ourselves
[FairfieldLife] The Book of John Doe Fnord
[1] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with the Unknowable, and the Word was Unknowable. [2] The same was in the beginning with the Unknowable. [3] All things were made by it; and without it was not any thing made that was made. [4] In it was life; and the life was the light of men. [5] And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. [6] There was a man sent from the Unknowable, who was called the One Between. [7] The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might trust. [8] He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. [9] That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. [10] He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. [11] He came unto his own, and his own received him not. [12] But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of the Unknowable, even to them that trust on his name: [13] Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of the Unknowable. [14] And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld its glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Source,) full of grace and truth. [15] The One Between bare witness of the Word, and cried, saying, This was That of which I spake, That which cometh after me is preferred before me: for That was before me. [16] And of That fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. [17] For the law was given by the One Before, but grace and truth came by the One After. [18] No man hath seen the Unknowable at any time; the only begotten Child, which is in the bosom of the Source, it hath declared it. [19] And this is the record of the One Between, when the Locals sent worshippers and their kin from the City to ask him, Who art thou? [20] And he confessed, and denied not; but confessed, I am not the Only One. [21] And they asked him, What then? Art thou another One? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No. [22] Then said they unto him, Who art thou? that we may give an answer to them that sent us. What sayest thou of thyself? [23] He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Master, as said the Other prophet.
[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers
Marcio: could you be more clear I sit and repeat Aingor Shiri Aing namah in the heart chakra? Actually you should not repeat the bija - that's more like 'chanting', which can cause you to remain on the conscious thinking level. All you need to do is wait innocently for the bija 'aing' to come to your attention. Here is the technique in more detail: Just before you are ready to retire for the night, you should sit up in your bed facing the south door of your bedroom. Then, close your eyes and feel the body as a hole while breathing in and out slowly. Do NOT repeat the bija mantra, but wait for it to come to your attention naturally, but do not dwell on the bija once it starts, and do not attempt to control your thoughts in any way. As with regular TM practice, the benefits are fully automatic, but very subtle. TM and the advanced techniques use the simple mechanics of consciousness. Most people do not realize the immense importance of mental actions that require very short durations of time - but thought travels faster than the speed of light. When you become aware of the bija just place your attention on the area of the heart chakra and let it rest there without any concentration or effort. When you realize that you are no longer aware of the bija, just wait for it to return to your attention, then repeat the above procedure. After a few minutes just relax into your sleep. This is called 'baby-sitting your bija'. That's all you have to do. This technique is far more subtle than regular TM practice. So subtle in fact that most people don't continue the practice longer than a few days because they don't experience any obvious benefit. But, just like regular TM, the results are cumulative over a period of years or decades, or at least 5-7 years. This technique is fully supported by the adept yogis of India and the Tantric Tradition of Sri Guru Dev. how many minutes .. sitting or lying Do this advanced 'Night Technique' for just a few minutes every night, without fail - be regular in your practice - just before you go to sleep, but never before having sex - always after. In order for this technique to be really effective you should probably practice with a partner that shares your aspirations to the spiritual life. http://www.pantheon.org/articles/s/shakti.html One of the reasons most people do not get very far with these tantric techniques is because they are single and without a suitable companion. Consequently, they often have erotic dreams and then become agitated due to abject horniness - this is not a good thing, as you can see by the nature of many of these messages posted to FFL.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers
Marcio, stop being such a cheap bastard and go learn how to meditate properly. If you try to simply think a bija mantra without any instruction outside of we bozo's in this group, you'll just get a headache and quit. Go learn TM or AOL's Sahaja Samadhi meditation which is a mantra meditation too from a qualified teacher. --- On Thu, 1/6/11, WillyTex willy...@yahoo.com wrote: From: WillyTex willy...@yahoo.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 11:19 AM Marcio: could you be more clear I sit and repeat Aingor Shiri Aing namah in the heart chakra? Actually you should not repeat the bija - that's more like 'chanting', which can cause you to remain on the conscious thinking level. All you need to do is wait innocently for the bija 'aing' to come to your attention. Here is the technique in more detail: Just before you are ready to retire for the night, you should sit up in your bed facing the south door of your bedroom. Then, close your eyes and feel the body as a hole while breathing in and out slowly. Do NOT repeat the bija mantra, but wait for it to come to your attention naturally, but do not dwell on the bija once it starts, and do not attempt to control your thoughts in any way. As with regular TM practice, the benefits are fully automatic, but very subtle. TM and the advanced techniques use the simple mechanics of consciousness. Most people do not realize the immense importance of mental actions that require very short durations of time - but thought travels faster than the speed of light. When you become aware of the bija just place your attention on the area of the heart chakra and let it rest there without any concentration or effort. When you realize that you are no longer aware of the bija, just wait for it to return to your attention, then repeat the above procedure. After a few minutes just relax into your sleep. This is called 'baby-sitting your bija'. That's all you have to do. This technique is far more subtle than regular TM practice. So subtle in fact that most people don't continue the practice longer than a few days because they don't experience any obvious benefit. But, just like regular TM, the results are cumulative over a period of years or decades, or at least 5-7 years. This technique is fully supported by the adept yogis of India and the Tantric Tradition of Sri Guru Dev. how many minutes .. sitting or lying Do this advanced 'Night Technique' for just a few minutes every night, without fail - be regular in your practice - just before you go to sleep, but never before having sex - always after. In order for this technique to be really effective you should probably practice with a partner that shares your aspirations to the spiritual life. http://www.pantheon.org/articles/s/shakti.html One of the reasons most people do not get very far with these tantric techniques is because they are single and without a suitable companion. Consequently, they often have erotic dreams and then become agitated due to abject horniness - this is not a good thing, as you can see by the nature of many of these messages posted to FFL. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: On Jan 6, 2011, at 9:32 AM, jpgillam wrote: For that matter, I'd like to hear from anyone about these issues. All of the people who have issues with the TM organization, for example, might want to weigh in with their perspectives and those of their teaching traditions. In many tantric mantra teachings, practices can be done for certain effects. Consequently one might do a practice for someone who is sick or has a particular problem, and the visualization to actuate that process, along with the action mantras to begin the effect you desire, are taught. In some cases groups of people may physically encircle such a person to help them, groups may connect via the internet to help a certain person at a certain time, from a distance (we use a universal calendar for synching) or both. Those who are skilled in transference of consciousness may do the practice on their selves and then transfer the benefit to the other persons energetic body. Those experienced in death practices may assist people who are dying. Practitioners who know rasayana practice may empower specially prepared medicines during a retreat and pass them on to an ill person. There are many such practices. Thanks. That's interesting; it's like a prayer circle, but with technology behind it, if I may speak like a Scientologist. How about Maharishi's notion that simply transcending enlivens the transcendent for people in the vicinity? Any recognition of that idea in your tradition? And how about the notion that still consciousness can effect life-supporting behavior? Any acknowledgement of that idea? Your example of transferring consciousness to the benefit of a recipient's energetic body has some intention to it, which is different from Maharishi's teaching.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers
Comments interleaved below. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jpgillam jpgillam@ wrote: For that matter, I'd like to hear from anyone about these issues. All of the people who have issues with the TM organization, for example, might want to weigh in with their perspectives and those of their teaching traditions. Patrick, earlier today I read your request above and only two phrases popped to my mind when I tried to describe my feelings about the supposed Maharishi Effect: narcissism and self-importance. in her most recent BATGAP conversation with Rick Archer, Sarojini talks about the way her ego got inflated by earlier experiences of awakening. Kind of an interesting case study. I decided not to reply, because I didn't think that very many who have invested heavily *in* that narcissism and self-importance would get what I'm suggesting is wrong with a practice that is IMO almost completely based in narcissism and self-importance. Yeah, well, I'm not looking for justifications or criticism of the Maharishi Effect. I wondered what adherents to other teachings have to say about some of the ME's underlying principles, such as whether consciousness has any influence on behavior. snip Several months ago, my wife and I attended a prayer service at a synagogue that is well known for its spiritual, and spirited, approach. As we entered, the rabbi was leading a meditation. Close your eyes and breathe in the peace of Shabbat [the Sabbath]. she said. And on the out-breathe imagine that you are sending healing love to all beings. We passed a man who appeared to be deep in meditation. His eyes were closed, and through a slightly opened smile he slowly breathed in and out. As we moved to our seats, I accidentally stepped on his toe. He quickly turned toward me; his smile vanished and he angrily hissed, Hey, watch it, buddy! In the 1970s, the New Yorker ran a cartoon of a man sitting cross- legged on the floor, eying his young daughter. The caption was something to the effect of If you disturb daddy when he's meditating, daddy will get very angry.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj the TM'er (was: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers))
emptybill: When and Where did you learn the Transcendental Meditation technique of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi? Yes, I learned TM from the Maharishi himself in 1963 at the original SRM on Santa Monica Blvd in LA, and got advanced techniques from Jerry Jarvis and Satyanand in 1968 and at Rishikesh in 1971. That's me - the one with the silly grin on his face! My name is listed at the Westwood SIMS in 1964 and at Berkely SIMS in 1968. I've been on program at Radiance, Texas, the TM Ideal Village, since 1976; I regularly practice group program at the Superradiance Dome. Read more: A preliminary, annotated hagiography of past gleaning positioning endeavors, with some appended statements. Confessions of a Taco Eater: http://www.rwilliams.us/archives/confessions.htm http://www.rwilliams.us/archives/confessions.htm
[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers
So if you are leaping and bounding at your heart chakra then you must not be able to break free of this body coffin. Pitiful ... ain't it? Guess you really have to tie yourself up with a tight leash. Probably you thought this was what Patanjali meant by practicing restraint (yama). There is probably hope though. Maybe in the antarabhava (bardo) you can get some work with Yama-Raja as a Yamadhuta servant. That way you won't have to come back here so soon. I hear it is real yama. I also hear they wear cool costumes better than the MUM rajas. * --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1...@... wrote: i pratice tmsidhis for 20 yers :) WillyTex very good .. very good .. could you be more clear I sit and repeat Aingor Shiri Aing namah in the heart chakra? how many minutes .. sitting or lying thankyou or send for my email tmer1...@... (you have good knowledge about these techniques) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@ wrote: Marcio: ...everybody talked talked talked, but about the techniques of mantra about the details of the additions of fertilizer nobody said almost nothing... It's very common for TM Teachers to keep secrets - that's why even the ex-TM Teachers on the forum won't tell you the secrets of the MMY's advanced techniques. After years of reading the messages these people post, I must say I'm really disappointed - they suck as informants! The first advanced technique was popularly known as the 'Night Technique' and is one of the most subtle and profound yoga techniques known to adepts. The technique involves a type of siddha yoga to be performed just before sleeping. The Night Technique involves empowerment, pure and simple, and comes naturally, based on one's spiritual evolution. It is akin to 'dejavu', that is, the ability to remember, on a very subtle level, a previous life experience. This special sense of perception or seeing, involves yet another further subtlety, a very subtle perception of an altered STATE previously experienced, whether in this life or the past. The Night Technique is best performed in a personal zone of tranquility, one that is built and arranged according to Vastu principles. In addition, the orientation of the body is crucial to the success of these types of siddha yoga, an aspect often overlooked by beginners, who unwittingly sometimes sit or sleep with their backs toward the south door. Most TMers only repeat the bija portion of their mantra when they sit in meditation. However, according to Marshy, in deep sleep the entire mantra with the sri and the namah may be repeated. When I practice Marshy's secret Night Technique, I often fall asleep with the bija portion of my mantra still in my mind. When practicing the Night Technique, Satyanand advised me to be aware of the area just above my heart chakra, and to put the bija there and let it rest. Then, all you have to do is babysit your bija, right on your heart chakra. Just set it, and forget it! By resting your bija at the heart chakra, the subtle currents from your Istadevata will permeate your entire being. For example, my Istadevata is Saraswati, the Goddess of Learning. By resting the bija portion of her name, that is, 'aing', at the heart chakra, my intelligence grows by leaps and bounds, right while I'm sleeping! Then, when I awake in the morning I will feel refreshed and full of energy and knowledge. With the Night Technique you can forget about using an alarm clock to wake up. You just formulate in your mind what time you would like to awaken. It's that simple!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Android (was iTurq)
On 01/06/2011 02:16 AM, PaliGap wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozg...@... wrote: On 01/05/2011 10:09 AM, PaliGap wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@ wrote: On 01/05/2011 09:46 AM, PaliGap wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@wrote: On 01/05/2011 04:11 AM, PaliGap wrote: For me I see a fork in the-road-that-goes-ever-onwards in 2011: Go i, or go Android? You have a much, much greater choice of devices and service provides with Android. I have an Android phone and make Android apps. Not a cult member but just like the Open Source concept over closed shop. Open Source - yes, I like that too. The thing I'm a bit concerned about is looming security issues with Android. Or don't you think that's a problem? e.g. goo.gl/klXui It will always be a problem with popular platforms but for the most part it is limited to certain kind of apps. Most of those get jerked from the Android Market. And similar apps have appeared for the iPhone too. Put that way, I'm encouraged. But I thought Apple had put in place a somewhat aggressive approval process for iApps. Rather oppressive for developers, but perhaps good news on the security front. Or have I got that wrong? You really thing that Apple has a bunch of sweaty geeks reviewing each app? They probably go through some computerized process. If anything is flagged then maybe a human looks at it. Do a search and you'll find that there have been malicious apps on iPhones too. The OS is very secure especially compared to Windows which had a bad security model to start with. Where people are finding malicious apps are when they get them some other place than the Market or a trusted site. The OS you refer to above being Android? Yes. Compared to Windows - sets the bar a bit low? As far as security architecture Android would pretty much be the same as the iPhone. Security built-in by design is clearly the main thing. And you're saying Android scores well on that count? Good. I think the confusion here is what kind of apps are exploiting things. Just like the Mac and iPhone, Android has to have root permissions. I think people are getting confused by journalists who favor their perceived underdog company and want to bash everything else. I saw this today: Amazon is inviting Android developers to upload their applications for listing in a better class of app store, at a price set by Amazon and only available within the USA. The application store will launch later this year, but developers who sign up now get a free year before they have to start stumping up the $99 annual fee. For their money, developers get listed in a store that reviews every application submitted, and rejects the tat as well as the unstable or inadequately tested, but more importantly Amazon can offer access to shoppers who only dropped in to buy a book. When you have a popular open platform stores will pop up everywhere. There will be lots of fly by nights too. This all happened with Palm stuff which was very popular. I've been reading some accounts by developers who already have been working with the Amazon store and they say it needs some work. You want to go through a really strict (and sometimes stupid) submission process try a game console product. Of course there the idea is you won't be offering any updates for any bugs so it has to run as perfectly as possible. Not a fun procedure and there are no such things as perfect software engineers.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Republican Cry Babies
Wow! Excessive crying? Neurological disorder? Parkinson's? I'm glad we have a *real* doctor on this list that can diagnose such problems via a few news clips! Dr. Pete, how much are your malpractice premiums? From: Peter drpetersutp...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, January 5, 2011 3:05:35 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Republican Cry Babies Forget the politics, his excessive crying is a little weird and perhaps indicative of an underlying neurological disorder. Parkinson's? --- On Wed, 1/5/11, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Republican Cry Babies To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 5, 2011, 4:07 PM Now now Bhairitu, everybody knows that if Boehner was a liberal Democrat, his crying would be seen, by fellow liberals, as a sign of sensitivity and empathy, a man who really cares about his fellow man and is in touch with his *feelings*, his feminine side, a real *pussy*. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, January 5, 2011 9:42:05 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Republican Cry Babies Both Darryl Issa and John Boehner are famous for their crying. Lends more meaning to the reasoning that those whiny kids that you grew up with who ran to their mommy all the time grew up to be Republicans. Issa is the richest member of congress and a former car thief. Since my latest addition to my animation tools is Crazy Animator Pro I'm thinking of doing a video of the two of them crying together. I'd use Cry Baby Cry as background music but I'm sure some bright eyed bushy tailed twenty something at YouTube would see it as a copyright violation even if I did my own cover. Bet John Lennon would approve. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VW0v7wwfkQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ir1UABBe1v4 More on Darrell Issa: http://issaexposed.couragecampaign.org/
[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotn...@... wrote: As for devotion, someone said that in the midst of unity duality is created for the enjoyment of experiencing devotion. That pretty well sums it up for me. I don't know whether God is real to me. The term God is pretty amorphous anyway, similar to discussions about what enlightenment means. So I tend to focus on one deity at a time - lol. Are they real? I don't know. They feel like it to me. On the other hand, perhaps they are wholly created imaginings of mine, solely created for me to experience and enjoy humility, thankfulness, gratitude, unconditional love, etc. Who knows? Nicely put, Jim. For me, this was the way beyond the rudderlessness of That-alone-is -- (1) take full responsibility for my creation as it is in this moment, ( 2) find the outstanding remnant-of-desire which is unhappy with my creation in this moment, (3)create a deity to meet the needs of that desire, (4)surrender in all honesty to the intense attention-flow, love-flow, and devotion-flow between particle-me and the newly-incarnate deity-me (now far more than just my creation), to achieve that desire. (5)This attention-flow flushes out and brings into full awareness the ancient programs or particles (primarily of undeservingness) in the body-mind which had been creating the old status-quo reality. Once brought to full awareness, they are no longer believed, and (6) the new reality is embodied and experienced. An old friend of mine recently had an Aha about this process, and described it as yagya! I would agree with that.
[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutp...@... wrote: Marcio, stop being such a cheap bastard and go learn how to meditate properly. If you try to simply think a bija mantra without any instruction outside of we bozo's in this group, you'll just get a headache and quit. Go learn TM or AOL's Sahaja Samadhi meditation which is a mantra meditation too from a qualified teacher. Nice try drpeter, except for the simple fact that these are not qualified teachers anymore since they left or were kicked out of the TMO. They cannot theach in the TMO anymore so advicing someone to learn from a group not teaching TM is bogus, at best.
[FairfieldLife] Vatican official tamps down perceived OK to GMOs
Vatican official tamps down perceived OK to GMOs by Nicole Winfield The Associated Press 5 January 2011 VATICAN CITY (AP) - A Vatican cardinal backed off the Holy See's perceived approval of biotech crops Tuesday, saying farmers in the developing world shouldn't be dependent on foreign multinationals for their seeds. more ... http://www.globalgoodnews.com/environmental-news-a.html?art=12942021662095900
[FairfieldLife] Re: Republican Cry Babies
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@... wrote: Wow! Excessive crying? Neurological disorder? Parkinson's? I'm glad we have a *real* doctor on this list that can diagnose such problems via a few news clips! Dr. Pete, how much are your malpractice premiums? mdixon, you haven't been paying attention ! drpeter diagnose people he never met here on FFL regularily, particularily posters he seems to dislike.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony...@... wrote: [...] In fact, of so many folks going to the domes if they were directly asked and answered the questions they would not be eligible to be in the domes by the guidelines. Enduring and relating to the movement is a bad feeling that way. -Dug Its silly on its face. Which saints that visit Fairfield have managed to set up an international organization with the intent to create large groups of sidhas practicing together to create world peace? If you take your practice seriously enough to be living in Fairfield and attending the Dome regularly, why the heck do you think such Maharishi-wannabes have anything to offer? If you think they have something to offer that justifies visiting them, instead of practicing in the Dome, why the heck are you wasting your time in the Dome, since obviously you disagree with Maharishi's claim that large group practice of TM and TM-Sidhis is the most powerful technique for spiritual growth available in the world? Lawson
Re: [FairfieldLife] Republican Cry Babies
On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com wrote: Wow! Excessive crying? Neurological disorder? Parkinson's? I'm glad we have a *real* doctor on this list that can diagnose such problems via a few news clips! Dr. Pete, how much are your malpractice premiums? Pete's licensed in Florida. A unique state when it comes to licensing requirements and enforcements. Further, psychologists are by and large held to a much lower level of standards than, say, gas pumps or the scales used to measure people's weights. About the only looser license he could get would be as a chiropractor.
[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers
very good, thanks ... one doubts,;; bija when it comes to my mind in the heart chkar I repeat it as Aing Aing .. .. Aing or just keep it in my mind subtly subtly until I forget the bija naturally and effortlessly ..? then .. Aing, Aing, Aing, repeat or remember only the bija subtly until I forget --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: Marcio: could you be more clear I sit and repeat Aingor Shiri Aing namah in the heart chakra? Actually you should not repeat the bija - that's more like 'chanting', which can cause you to remain on the conscious thinking level. All you need to do is wait innocently for the bija 'aing' to come to your attention. Here is the technique in more detail: Just before you are ready to retire for the night, you should sit up in your bed facing the south door of your bedroom. Then, close your eyes and feel the body as a hole while breathing in and out slowly. Do NOT repeat the bija mantra, but wait for it to come to your attention naturally, but do not dwell on the bija once it starts, and do not attempt to control your thoughts in any way. As with regular TM practice, the benefits are fully automatic, but very subtle. TM and the advanced techniques use the simple mechanics of consciousness. Most people do not realize the immense importance of mental actions that require very short durations of time - but thought travels faster than the speed of light. When you become aware of the bija just place your attention on the area of the heart chakra and let it rest there without any concentration or effort. When you realize that you are no longer aware of the bija, just wait for it to return to your attention, then repeat the above procedure. After a few minutes just relax into your sleep. This is called 'baby-sitting your bija'. That's all you have to do. This technique is far more subtle than regular TM practice. So subtle in fact that most people don't continue the practice longer than a few days because they don't experience any obvious benefit. But, just like regular TM, the results are cumulative over a period of years or decades, or at least 5-7 years. This technique is fully supported by the adept yogis of India and the Tantric Tradition of Sri Guru Dev. how many minutes .. sitting or lying Do this advanced 'Night Technique' for just a few minutes every night, without fail - be regular in your practice - just before you go to sleep, but never before having sex - always after. In order for this technique to be really effective you should probably practice with a partner that shares your aspirations to the spiritual life. http://www.pantheon.org/articles/s/shakti.html One of the reasons most people do not get very far with these tantric techniques is because they are single and without a suitable companion. Consequently, they often have erotic dreams and then become agitated due to abject horniness - this is not a good thing, as you can see by the nature of many of these messages posted to FFL.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On Dec 16, 2010, at 6:17 PM, Rick Archer wrote: Rick, how do they know who's organizing and who isn't? What are the nefarious signs of an organizer? :) Your shirt's tucked in and your nose isn't running. Actually, someone may report you or they may ask you. If you admit to it, you're toast. Well that's what I'm saying...dishonesty is encouraged. What a bunch of hypocrites~~that's their idea of whirled peas? Well, is dishonesty encouraged, or are they simply hiding their heads in the sand? I attend Buddhist chanting meetings with a Japanese friend because he asks me to attend. I sometimes practice my program while they chant, not because I think their chanting adds anything to my program, but because I have no interest in what they are doing and am only there because my friend asked me to attend and sitting with my eyes closed is probably less rude than reading a book (the fact that I'm pretty irregular in my practice, so sitting down with nothing to do for an hour gives me a time to actually DO it, is another reason to be doing it at that time). Were I to move to Fairfield with the intent to practice in the Dome, I wouldn't be attending Buddhist chanting, or visiting saints--I'd be doing program. For me, anyone who doesn't see things that way is strange: why move to and continue to live in Fairfield and practice such an odd thing if you don't take it seriously? Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers
tm teacher .. want a lot of money .. money money is all they have in their minds --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutp...@... wrote: Marcio, stop being such a cheap bastard and go learn how to meditate properly. If you try to simply think a bija mantra without any instruction outside of we bozo's in this group, you'll just get a headache and quit. Go learn TM or AOL's Sahaja Samadhi meditation which is a mantra meditation too from a qualified teacher. --- On Thu, 1/6/11, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: From: WillyTex willy...@... Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 11:19 AM Marcio: could you be more clear I sit and repeat Aingor Shiri Aing namah in the heart chakra? Actually you should not repeat the bija - that's more like 'chanting', which can cause you to remain on the conscious thinking level. All you need to do is wait innocently for the bija 'aing' to come to your attention. Here is the technique in more detail: Just before you are ready to retire for the night, you should sit up in your bed facing the south door of your bedroom. Then, close your eyes and feel the body as a hole while breathing in and out slowly. Do NOT repeat the bija mantra, but wait for it to come to your attention naturally, but do not dwell on the bija once it starts, and do not attempt to control your thoughts in any way. As with regular TM practice, the benefits are fully automatic, but very subtle. TM and the advanced techniques use the simple mechanics of consciousness. Most people do not realize the immense importance of mental actions that require very short durations of time - but thought travels faster than the speed of light. When you become aware of the bija just place your attention on the area of the heart chakra and let it rest there without any concentration or effort. When you realize that you are no longer aware of the bija, just wait for it to return to your attention, then repeat the above procedure. After a few minutes just relax into your sleep. This is called 'baby-sitting your bija'. That's all you have to do. This technique is far more subtle than regular TM practice. So subtle in fact that most people don't continue the practice longer than a few days because they don't experience any obvious benefit. But, just like regular TM, the results are cumulative over a period of years or decades, or at least 5-7 years. This technique is fully supported by the adept yogis of India and the Tantric Tradition of Sri Guru Dev. how many minutes .. sitting or lying Do this advanced 'Night Technique' for just a few minutes every night, without fail - be regular in your practice - just before you go to sleep, but never before having sex - always after. In order for this technique to be really effective you should probably practice with a partner that shares your aspirations to the spiritual life. http://www.pantheon.org/articles/s/shakti.html One of the reasons most people do not get very far with these tantric techniques is because they are single and without a suitable companion. Consequently, they often have erotic dreams and then become agitated due to abject horniness - this is not a good thing, as you can see by the nature of many of these messages posted to FFL. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: yifuxero: And then there are the partial truths... is there any 'partial truth' to Vaj's claim that MMY murdered SBS? You failed to make any comments on that, so I pretty much wrote you off as an impartial critic on this forum. What I have heard is that MMY was in charge of SBS's lecture schedule when SBS was struck with food poisoning while on tour. The attending disciples were of two opposing camps: keep him in one place so he could recover, or assume he would recover on his way to his next lecture. MMY's camp prevailed and SBS died on his way to his next lecture. Thereafter, the opposing camp blamed MMY for SBS's death, and the fact that he died of food poisoning eventually morphed into the story: MMY poisoned SBS. I've often suspected that MMY himself blamed himself for SBS's death, which is why MMY was so obsessive about the whole Jai Gurudev thing. He felt, consciously or unconsciously, that he had a lot to atone for by depriving the world of SBS' presence. Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers
Thanks Rory. My responses to your responses below: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff roryg...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: As for devotion, someone said that in the midst of unity duality is created for the enjoyment of experiencing devotion. That pretty well sums it up for me. I don't know whether God is real to me. The term God is pretty amorphous anyway, similar to discussions about what enlightenment means. So I tend to focus on one deity at a time - lol. Are they real? I don't know. They feel like it to me. On the other hand, perhaps they are wholly created imaginings of mine, solely created for me to experience and enjoy humility, thankfulness, gratitude, unconditional love, etc. Who knows? Nicely put, Jim. For me, this was the way beyond the rudderlessness of That-alone-is -- (1) take full responsibility for my creation as it is in this moment, ** That finally seems intuitively obvious to me - lol. This is more like an operating principle vs. a localized action, though frequent reminders to myself don't hurt :-) ( 2) find the outstanding remnant-of-desire which is unhappy with my creation in this moment, ** I never thought of it before but prayer, or more specifically willful and pure attunement to a deity, could be seen as a response to an inner need, a desire to enlarge my container of consciousness in order to eventually find a solution to the unhappy remnant of desire. Not through control, but through expansion aka getting out of my own way - lol (3)create a deity to meet the needs of that desire, ** This process is something like humming a tune I really like and then having a song that closely matches that come into my awareness. Nothing static as both my vibration and the resonance with the deity change as I change - In other words the deity is not always the same one. (4)surrender in all honesty to the intense attention-flow, love-flow, and devotion-flow between particle-me and the newly-incarnate deity-me (now far more than just my creation), to achieve that desire. **Yes, the satisfaction of that desire is not always immediate, though the inner adjustment may be. (5)This attention-flow flushes out and brings into full awareness the ancient programs or particles (primarily of undeservingness) in the body-mind which had been creating the old status-quo reality. Once brought to full awareness, they are no longer believed, and (6) the new reality is embodied and experienced. An old friend of mine recently had an Aha about this process, and described it as yagya! I would agree with that. **Me too.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Republican Cry Babies
I'm such a troll! I have no idea what's wrong with the esteemed senator.
However, emotional disinhibitation (is that even a word?) is one of the
symptoms of Parkinson's disorder. Now you know, Mikey!
--- On Thu, 1/6/11, Tom Pall thomas.p...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Tom Pall thomas.p...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Republican Cry Babies
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 2:09 PM
On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com wrote:
Wow! Excessive crying? Neurological disorder? Parkinson's? I'm glad we have a
*real* doctor on this list that can diagnose such problems via a few news
clips! Dr. Pete, how much are your malpractice premiums?
Pete's licensed in Florida. A unique state when it comes to licensing
requirements and enforcements. Further, psychologists are by and large held to
a much lower level of standards than, say, gas pumps or the scales used to
measure people's weights. About the only looser license he could get would be
as a chiropractor.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers
Then go to an AOL teacher. Honestly, you aren't going to learn how to meditate correctly if you just think a bija mantra. TM is very easy, but you have to be taught how to do it. --- On Thu, 1/6/11, Marcio tmer1...@gmail.com wrote: From: Marcio tmer1...@gmail.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 2:28 PM tm teacher .. want a lot of money .. money money is all they have in their minds --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutp...@... wrote: Marcio, stop being such a cheap bastard and go learn how to meditate properly. If you try to simply think a bija mantra without any instruction outside of we bozo's in this group, you'll just get a headache and quit. Go learn TM or AOL's Sahaja Samadhi meditation which is a mantra meditation too from a qualified teacher. --- On Thu, 1/6/11, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: From: WillyTex willy...@... Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 11:19 AM Marcio: could you be more clear I sit and repeat Aingor Shiri Aing namah in the heart chakra? Actually you should not repeat the bija - that's more like 'chanting', which can cause you to remain on the conscious thinking level. All you need to do is wait innocently for the bija 'aing' to come to your attention. Here is the technique in more detail: Just before you are ready to retire for the night, you should sit up in your bed facing the south door of your bedroom. Then, close your eyes and feel the body as a hole while breathing in and out slowly. Do NOT repeat the bija mantra, but wait for it to come to your attention naturally, but do not dwell on the bija once it starts, and do not attempt to control your thoughts in any way. As with regular TM practice, the benefits are fully automatic, but very subtle. TM and the advanced techniques use the simple mechanics of consciousness. Most people do not realize the immense importance of mental actions that require very short durations of time - but thought travels faster than the speed of light. When you become aware of the bija just place your attention on the area of the heart chakra and let it rest there without any concentration or effort. When you realize that you are no longer aware of the bija, just wait for it to return to your attention, then repeat the above procedure. After a few minutes just relax into your sleep. This is called 'baby-sitting your bija'. That's all you have to do. This technique is far more subtle than regular TM practice. So subtle in fact that most people don't continue the practice longer than a few days because they don't experience any obvious benefit. But, just like regular TM, the results are cumulative over a period of years or decades, or at least 5-7 years. This technique is fully supported by the adept yogis of India and the Tantric Tradition of Sri Guru Dev. how many minutes .. sitting or lying Do this advanced 'Night Technique' for just a few minutes every night, without fail - be regular in your practice - just before you go to sleep, but never before having sex - always after. In order for this technique to be really effective you should probably practice with a partner that shares your aspirations to the spiritual life. http://www.pantheon.org/articles/s/shakti.html One of the reasons most people do not get very far with these tantric techniques is because they are single and without a suitable companion. Consequently, they often have erotic dreams and then become agitated due to abject horniness - this is not a good thing, as you can see by the nature of many of these messages posted to FFL. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers
Precisely! And it has to be an empowered with Shakti, otherwise you may not transcend and the repetition of your life-less mantra (even with the correct technique) will be a dead end. Sorry, you have to pay some $ to somebody...even in Traditions claiming free. http://www.fantasygallery.net/blanche/art_3_dead-end.html --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutp...@... wrote: Then go to an AOL teacher. Honestly, you aren't going to learn how to meditate correctly if you just think a bija mantra. TM is very easy, but you have to be taught how to do it. --- On Thu, 1/6/11, Marcio tmer1...@... wrote: From: Marcio tmer1...@... Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 2:28 PM tm teacher .. want a lot of money .. money money is all they have in their minds --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Marcio, stop being such a cheap bastard and go learn how to meditate properly. If you try to simply think a bija mantra without any instruction outside of we bozo's in this group, you'll just get a headache and quit. Go learn TM or AOL's Sahaja Samadhi meditation which is a mantra meditation too from a qualified teacher. --- On Thu, 1/6/11, WillyTex willytex@ wrote: From: WillyTex willytex@ Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 11:19 AM Marcio: could you be more clear I sit and repeat Aingor Shiri Aing namah in the heart chakra? Actually you should not repeat the bija - that's more like 'chanting', which can cause you to remain on the conscious thinking level. All you need to do is wait innocently for the bija 'aing' to come to your attention. Here is the technique in more detail: Just before you are ready to retire for the night, you should sit up in your bed facing the south door of your bedroom. Then, close your eyes and feel the body as a hole while breathing in and out slowly. Do NOT repeat the bija mantra, but wait for it to come to your attention naturally, but do not dwell on the bija once it starts, and do not attempt to control your thoughts in any way. As with regular TM practice, the benefits are fully automatic, but very subtle. TM and the advanced techniques use the simple mechanics of consciousness. Most people do not realize the immense importance of mental actions that require very short durations of time - but thought travels faster than the speed of light. When you become aware of the bija just place your attention on the area of the heart chakra and let it rest there without any concentration or effort. When you realize that you are no longer aware of the bija, just wait for it to return to your attention, then repeat the above procedure. After a few minutes just relax into your sleep. This is called 'baby-sitting your bija'. That's all you have to do. This technique is far more subtle than regular TM practice. So subtle in fact that most people don't continue the practice longer than a few days because they don't experience any obvious benefit. But, just like regular TM, the results are cumulative over a period of years or decades, or at least 5-7 years. This technique is fully supported by the adept yogis of India and the Tantric Tradition of Sri Guru Dev. how many minutes .. sitting or lying Do this advanced 'Night Technique' for just a few minutes every night, without fail - be regular in your practice - just before you go to sleep, but never before having sex - always after. In order for this technique to be really effective you should probably practice with a partner that shares your aspirations to the spiritual life. http://www.pantheon.org/articles/s/shakti.html One of the reasons most people do not get very far with these tantric techniques is because they are single and without a suitable companion. Consequently, they often have erotic dreams and then become agitated due to abject horniness - this is not a good thing, as you can see by the nature of many of these messages posted to FFL. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers
i pratice tm 20years .. and i learn form tm teacher official .. and i am tm=-sdhis too . i only want learn advanced tecchiques ok ? you undertand ? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutp...@... wrote: Then go to an AOL teacher. Honestly, you aren't going to learn how to meditate correctly if you just think a bija mantra. TM is very easy, but you have to be taught how to do it. --- On Thu, 1/6/11, Marcio tmer1...@... wrote: From: Marcio tmer1...@... Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 2:28 PM tm teacher .. want a lot of money .. money money is all they have in their minds --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Marcio, stop being such a cheap bastard and go learn how to meditate properly. If you try to simply think a bija mantra without any instruction outside of we bozo's in this group, you'll just get a headache and quit. Go learn TM or AOL's Sahaja Samadhi meditation which is a mantra meditation too from a qualified teacher. --- On Thu, 1/6/11, WillyTex willytex@ wrote: From: WillyTex willytex@ Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 11:19 AM Marcio: could you be more clear I sit and repeat Aingor Shiri Aing namah in the heart chakra? Actually you should not repeat the bija - that's more like 'chanting', which can cause you to remain on the conscious thinking level. All you need to do is wait innocently for the bija 'aing' to come to your attention. Here is the technique in more detail: Just before you are ready to retire for the night, you should sit up in your bed facing the south door of your bedroom. Then, close your eyes and feel the body as a hole while breathing in and out slowly. Do NOT repeat the bija mantra, but wait for it to come to your attention naturally, but do not dwell on the bija once it starts, and do not attempt to control your thoughts in any way. As with regular TM practice, the benefits are fully automatic, but very subtle. TM and the advanced techniques use the simple mechanics of consciousness. Most people do not realize the immense importance of mental actions that require very short durations of time - but thought travels faster than the speed of light. When you become aware of the bija just place your attention on the area of the heart chakra and let it rest there without any concentration or effort. When you realize that you are no longer aware of the bija, just wait for it to return to your attention, then repeat the above procedure. After a few minutes just relax into your sleep. This is called 'baby-sitting your bija'. That's all you have to do. This technique is far more subtle than regular TM practice. So subtle in fact that most people don't continue the practice longer than a few days because they don't experience any obvious benefit. But, just like regular TM, the results are cumulative over a period of years or decades, or at least 5-7 years. This technique is fully supported by the adept yogis of India and the Tantric Tradition of Sri Guru Dev. how many minutes .. sitting or lying Do this advanced 'Night Technique' for just a few minutes every night, without fail - be regular in your practice - just before you go to sleep, but never before having sex - always after. In order for this technique to be really effective you should probably practice with a partner that shares your aspirations to the spiritual life. http://www.pantheon.org/articles/s/shakti.html One of the reasons most people do not get very far with these tantric techniques is because they are single and without a suitable companion. Consequently, they often have erotic dreams and then become agitated due to abject horniness - this is not a good thing, as you can see by the nature of many of these messages posted to FFL. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers
On Jan 6, 2011, at 1:25 PM, sparaig wrote: Well that's what I'm saying...dishonesty is encouraged. What a bunch of hypocrites~~that's their idea of whirled peas? Well, is dishonesty encouraged, or are they simply hiding their heads in the sand? I have no idea, spare. I attend Buddhist chanting meetings with a Japanese friend because he asks me to attend. I sometimes practice my program while they chant, not because I think their chanting adds anything to my program, but because I have no interest in what they are doing and am only there because my friend asked me to attend and sitting with my eyes closed is probably less rude than reading a book (the fact that I'm pretty irregular in my practice, so sitting down with nothing to do for an hour gives me a time to actually DO it, is another reason to be doing it at that time). Were I to move to Fairfield with the intent to practice in the Dome, I wouldn't be attending Buddhist chanting, or visiting saints--I'd be doing program. For me, anyone who doesn't see things that way is strange: why move to and continue to live in Fairfield and practice such an odd thing if you don't take it seriously? I agree with this more or less. A lot of people are like myself, though...came to FF to be part of the meditating community, then for various reasons stopped going to the Dooms, or stopped meditating, or both, but still enjoy living here for a number of reasons. Just because someone goes to a place with a certain intention, doesn't mean their journey stops cold or that that intention will always be there. It's called Life, and it's what happens while you're busy making other plans. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifux...@... wrote: Precisely! And it has to be an empowered with Shakti, otherwise you may not transcend and the repetition of your life-less mantra (even with the correct technique) will be a dead end. Sorry, you have to pay some $ to somebody...even in Traditions claiming free. What, even if you take up the somewhat austere, joy-less secular sounding breath-watching, body-watching or sitting-still-through-the-agony techniques of Vipassana?
[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers
how do you explain this? or you withdrew from your own mind? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifux...@... wrote: Precisely! And it has to be an empowered with Shakti, otherwise you may not transcend and the repetition of your life-less mantra (even with the correct technique) will be a dead end. Sorry, you have to pay some $ to somebody...even in Traditions claiming free. http://www.fantasygallery.net/blanche/art_3_dead-end.html --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Then go to an AOL teacher. Honestly, you aren't going to learn how to meditate correctly if you just think a bija mantra. TM is very easy, but you have to be taught how to do it. --- On Thu, 1/6/11, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote: From: Marcio tmer1306@ Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 2:28 PM tm teacher .. want a lot of money .. money money is all they have in their minds --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Marcio, stop being such a cheap bastard and go learn how to meditate properly. If you try to simply think a bija mantra without any instruction outside of we bozo's in this group, you'll just get a headache and quit. Go learn TM or AOL's Sahaja Samadhi meditation which is a mantra meditation too from a qualified teacher. --- On Thu, 1/6/11, WillyTex willytex@ wrote: From: WillyTex willytex@ Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 11:19 AM Marcio: could you be more clear I sit and repeat Aingor Shiri Aing namah in the heart chakra? Actually you should not repeat the bija - that's more like 'chanting', which can cause you to remain on the conscious thinking level. All you need to do is wait innocently for the bija 'aing' to come to your attention. Here is the technique in more detail: Just before you are ready to retire for the night, you should sit up in your bed facing the south door of your bedroom. Then, close your eyes and feel the body as a hole while breathing in and out slowly. Do NOT repeat the bija mantra, but wait for it to come to your attention naturally, but do not dwell on the bija once it starts, and do not attempt to control your thoughts in any way. As with regular TM practice, the benefits are fully automatic, but very subtle. TM and the advanced techniques use the simple mechanics of consciousness. Most people do not realize the immense importance of mental actions that require very short durations of time - but thought travels faster than the speed of light. When you become aware of the bija just place your attention on the area of the heart chakra and let it rest there without any concentration or effort. When you realize that you are no longer aware of the bija, just wait for it to return to your attention, then repeat the above procedure. After a few minutes just relax into your sleep. This is called 'baby-sitting your bija'. That's all you have to do. This technique is far more subtle than regular TM practice. So subtle in fact that most people don't continue the practice longer than a few days because they don't experience any obvious benefit. But, just like regular TM, the results are cumulative over a period of years or decades, or at least 5-7 years. This technique is fully supported by the adept yogis of India and the Tantric Tradition of Sri Guru Dev. how many minutes .. sitting or lying Do this advanced 'Night Technique' for just a few minutes every night, without fail - be regular in your practice - just before you go to sleep, but never before having sex - always after. In order for this technique to be really effective you should probably practice with a partner that shares your aspirations to the spiritual life. http://www.pantheon.org/articles/s/shakti.html One of the reasons most people do not get very far with these tantric techniques is because they are single and without a suitable companion. Consequently, they often have erotic dreams and then become agitated due to abject horniness - this is not a good thing, as you can see by the nature of many of these messages posted to FFL. To subscribe, send a message to:
[FairfieldLife] Marcio: Advanced Technique Fertilizers
Marcio: You should have explained first: you practice TM but want the benefits of advanced techniques. Fine; but you're on the wrong track, and to use an American idiom, You're barking up the wrong tree. Sorry, but true. Don't waste your time on the TM advanced techniques, since there's something better. RAMANA MAHARSHI. ... Forget the emphasis on the technology and seed mantra controversies for a minute. Identify the main, important component of what's desired in advanced techniques, with full consideration of the words of wisdom of many contributors to this forum, and that includes those with whom one may disagree with (since I value Vaj's other's statementshelps me on my own learning curve). At any rate, some key words are tantric and global (i.e. the targeting principle along with the whole picture); but this will be left to future discussions. For now, concentrate on enhancing your SHAKTI level, since the Dome experience is ultimately about ME ; that is SHE; standing for SHE the Goddess (personification of Shakti) and with SE = the SHAKTI Effect. But even without a Personified Goddess, Saivite Traditions (e.g. Muktananda's SYDA) and Ramana Maharshi (Arunachala Shiva); generate HUGE amounts of Shakti if one listens to the CD audios of Pundits in those Traditions. You can get such powerful CD's from Arunachala.org in NY. Where do you live? Maybe they can mail to you. Get Veda Parayana evening...has the Rudram, the most powerful Shiva chant. Don't forget The Sage of Arunachala, a vidio CD. ... You need to get in sync with the powerful Morphogenetic field of Ramana Maharshi. It's like getting (figuratively speaking) sucked into a huge global Black Hole. Only the Blackness is the Black of Kali. Do it!. Get those tapes and forget the TM advanced techniques.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marcio: Advanced Technique Fertilizers
No! Don't listen to him! I mean... DO listen to him! Forget the advanced techniques. Just transcend. You should have it already. That's all there is. The rest is just verbiage. But what do I know? Nothing! (c) The Schemp School Of Enlightenment (MMY before it all went crazy) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu Xero yifux...@... wrote: Marcio: You should have explained first: you practice TM but want the benefits of advanced techniques. Fine; but you're on the wrong track, and to use an American idiom, You're barking up the wrong tree. Sorry, but true. Don't waste your time on the TM advanced techniques, since there's something better. RAMANA MAHARSHI. ... Forget the emphasis on the technology and seed mantra controversies for a minute. Identify the main, important component of what's desired in advanced techniques, with full consideration of the words of wisdom of many contributors to this forum, and that includes those with whom one may disagree with (since I value Vaj's other's statementshelps me on my own learning curve). At any rate, some key words are tantric and global (i.e. the targeting principle along with the whole picture); but this will be left to future discussions. For now, concentrate on enhancing your SHAKTI level, since the Dome experience is ultimately about ME ; that is SHE; standing for SHE the Goddess (personification of Shakti) and with SE = the SHAKTI Effect. But even without a Personified Goddess, Saivite Traditions (e.g. Muktananda's SYDA) and Ramana Maharshi (Arunachala Shiva); generate HUGE amounts of Shakti if one listens to the CD audios of Pundits in those Traditions. You can get such powerful CD's from Arunachala.org in NY. Where do you live? Maybe they can mail to you. Get Veda Parayana evening...has the Rudram, the most powerful Shiva chant. Don't forget The Sage of Arunachala, a vidio CD. ... You need to get in sync with the powerful Morphogenetic field of Ramana Maharshi. It's like getting (figuratively speaking) sucked into a huge global Black Hole. Only the Blackness is the Black of Kali. Do it!. Get those tapes and forget the TM advanced techniques.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers
Hey turquoiseb, granted the spiritual narcissist mindset exists. I am curious though where you draw the line? Is it that you feel *anyone* who supports the ME is a spiritual narcissist? or that has been your experience so far? Just curious why you came to that conclusion. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB turquoi...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jpgillam jpgillam@ wrote: For that matter, I'd like to hear from anyone about these issues. All of the people who have issues with the TM organization, for example, might want to weigh in with their perspectives and those of their teaching traditions. Patrick, earlier today I read your request above and only two phrases popped to my mind when I tried to describe my feelings about the supposed Maharishi Effect: narcissism and self-importance. I decided not to reply, because I didn't think that very many who have invested heavily *in* that narcissism and self-importance would get what I'm suggesting is wrong with a practice that is IMO almost completely based in narcissism and self-importance. Interestingly, a few hours later I ran across this interesting blog on Huffpost. In it, Rabbi Alan Lurie put my feelings into words better than I could have. Emphasis (bolding) below is mine. The Allure of Narcissistic Spirituality http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rabbi-alan-lurie/the-allure-of-spiritual-\ n_b_803415.html Several months ago, my wife and I attended a prayer service at a synagogue that is well known for its spiritual, and spirited, approach. As we entered, the rabbi was leading a meditation. Close your eyes and breathe in the peace of Shabbat [the Sabbath]. she said. And on the out-breathe imagine that you are sending healing love to all beings. We passed a man who appeared to be deep in meditation. His eyes were closed, and through a slightly opened smile he slowly breathed in and out. As we moved to our seats, I accidentally stepped on his toe. He quickly turned toward me; his smile vanished and he angrily hissed, Hey, watch it, buddy! In the irony of a person being angry at a stranger for accidentally interrupting his meditation about universal, unconditional love, this man demonstrated the disturbing, alluring and all-too common phenomenon of spiritual narcissism. To understand spiritual narcissism we must first understand the word spirituality. My acting definition is, The experience of a transformative connection. In other words, spirituality is experienced -- it is not a concept or construct. It transforms us. It changes how we act, think and feel in all environments. And it is a connection -- a profound contact with something and someone outside of our selves. All three of these components are needed in order for spirituality to occur, but the most essential is that it be a connection -- between a person and the Divine, or between one person and another. Spiritual practices are designed to facilitate these connections, and begin with the knowledge that we have two selves: an ego-self and a true-Self. The ego-self is built on our strategy for ensuring that we are physically safe, stemming from our interpretation of the experiences of our lives (primarily our childhood) in which we determined what was required in order to survive. The ego-self may need to impress, dominate or control and sees others as either threats or tools. There is nothing inherently wrong with the ego-self; it is a necessary structure put in place so that we can survive in physical reality. But it is not who we really are, and we can not make a spiritual connection from it. Our true-Self, however, which is often referred to as our soul, contains the very purpose that we incarnated, and is in constant connection with Spirit/Consciousness/Creation/God. It sees others as fellow souls with equally needed purposes, and has compassion for the suffering that comes from the ego-self's attachment to things. Spiritual practices help us to loosen the grip of the ego-self and to connect to the true-Self, so that we can live purposefully, be of service and participate in love. The central Biblical injunction to Love your neighbor as yourself is usually interpreted to mean that we must learn to love others, with the assumption that we already love ourselves. Literally translated, though, this line actually reads, And you will [in the future tense] love your fellow in the same way that you love yourself. In other words, we will love another to the extent and in the way that we love ourselves. If you are harsh with yourself, you will be harsh with others. If you can not forgive yourself, you can not forgive others. In this way, this line is not a commandment, but is a statement of fact. The truth is that most of us do not love ourselves very well, and consequently we hurt others. This is why spiritual practices so often seek to
[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers
Peter: Marcio, stop being such a cheap bastard and go learn how to meditate properly... You idiot - he already said that he has been practicing TM-Sidhis for twenty years. What he wants now are advanced techniques. You are a spiritual teacher - do your job! Why don't you teach him a thing or two instead of trying to get him to pay more money? Marcio doesn't want to give your TMO another $2,500! Get a grip, Doctor!
[FairfieldLife] In the meantime...
earth tone suits you so give it a smile if i could hold your feet down get to know for awhile to make due is a promise hard to keep without help never taught to look in i'm too concerned with my health help me spread right, ash is cow fertilized come down in a feed town strength to minimize hold it in the meantime die in the meantime the meantime http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgGyX7WPxuQ
[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers
Peter: Then go to an AOL teacher. Honestly, you aren't going to learn how to meditate correctly if you just think a bija mantra. TM is very easy, but you have to be taught how to do it. So, why should anyone have to pay money to learn how to 'think' a bija mantra? What happens to all the money? How much do you charge - $2,500 for a single nonsense syllable?
[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers
yifuxero: And it has to be an empowered with Shakti, otherwise you may not transcend and the repetition of your life-less mantra (even with the correct technique) will be a dead end... You're not describing TM - are you saying that Jerry Jarvis or Bevan Morris have a lot of 'Shakti' power to enliven the mantra? Are you serious? LoL!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marcio: Advanced Technique Fertilizers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu Xero yifux...@... wrote: snip At any rate, some key words are tantric and global (i.e. the targeting principle along with the whole picture); but this will be left to future discussions. For now, concentrate on enhancing your SHAKTI level, since the Dome experience is ultimately about ME ; that is SHE; standing for SHE the Goddess (personification of Shakti) and with SE = the SHAKTI Effect. But even without a Personified Goddess, Saivite Traditions (e.g. Muktananda's SYDA) and Ramana Maharshi (Arunachala Shiva); generate HUGE amounts of Shakti if one listens to the CD audios of Pundits in those Traditions. You can get such powerful CD's from Arunachala.org in NY. Where do you live? Maybe they can mail to you. Get Veda Parayana evening...has the Rudram, the most powerful Shiva chant. Don't forget The Sage of Arunachala, a vidio CD. ... You need to get in sync with the powerful Morphogenetic field of Ramana Maharshi. It's like getting (figuratively speaking) sucked into a huge global Black Hole. Only the Blackness is the Black of Kali. Do it!. Get those tapes and forget the TM advanced techniques. Great yifuxero, this for sure cleared up any doubt this fellow had :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers
Richard: I don't quite understand your point. Are you suggesting that one should get the bija mantras from a book and not get an empowered mantra through Initiation? Right...he already practices TM, so let's isolate what he a. wants, and b. what people think he needs. OKhe needs to clarify exactly what he wants, and why, at least to himself; and next: among the proposed solutions to his wants; are the contributors offering reasonable proposals?. b. What he really needs may not conform to wants. I suggest an interface, a mutual inclusion of wants/needs. Another contributor stated that TM is all he needs.(he already states he has that and wants something more. TM in itself, alone, is an incomplete technique since: 1. Where's the Guru? 2. Where's the devotion? 3. Where's the global Shakti Source? 4. Where's the tantric components, and 5. the Global perspective? ... I recommend TM +... http://adreampuppet.files.wordpress.com/2007/01/ramana-maharshi.jpg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: Peter: Then go to an AOL teacher. Honestly, you aren't going to learn how to meditate correctly if you just think a bija mantra. TM is very easy, but you have to be taught how to do it. So, why should anyone have to pay money to learn how to 'think' a bija mantra? What happens to all the money? How much do you charge - $2,500 for a single nonsense syllable?
[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers
yifuxero: Richard: I don't quite understand your point. Are you suggesting that one should get the bija mantras from a book and not get an empowered mantra through Initiation? According to at least three FFL pundits, that's all you need to do. Vaj listed all the bijas and Barry2 said they were all in books. What would be the benefit of giving Bevan Morris $2,500 for a single nonsense syllable to put before and after his TM bija? Everyone knows Bevan has about zero 'Shakti' power. You're not making any sense.
[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers
No, Richard. My point is based on experience. During my TM initiation, I experienced some definite SHAKTI, along with what the TMO calls Transcendence. IN MY EXPERIENCE - my TM mantra has a distinctive property: empowered ENERGY, not shared by: a. getting seed mantras from a book b. other mantras received from other Traditions. I'm just stating my experience; but ymmv. Maybe your mantra has no empowered Shakti in it, and for that reason you believe people can save $ and get the mantras from a book. Let's hear what some other people have to say. To the others: Is YOUR TM mantra empowered, making it superior to a mantra gotten from a book, or not. Let's hear it. http://www.startlingart.com/Viewer.asp?ImageSource=fine_artFileName=Primates_on_Parade --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: yifuxero: Richard: I don't quite understand your point. Are you suggesting that one should get the bija mantras from a book and not get an empowered mantra through Initiation? According to at least three FFL pundits, that's all you need to do. Vaj listed all the bijas and Barry2 said they were all in books. What would be the benefit of giving Bevan Morris $2,500 for a single nonsense syllable to put before and after his TM bija? Everyone knows Bevan has about zero 'Shakti' power. You're not making any sense.
[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers
good willy ... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: Peter: Marcio, stop being such a cheap bastard and go learn how to meditate properly... You idiot - he already said that he has been practicing TM-Sidhis for twenty years. What he wants now are advanced techniques. You are a spiritual teacher - do your job! Why don't you teach him a thing or two instead of trying to get him to pay more money? Marcio doesn't want to give your TMO another $2,500! Get a grip, Doctor!
[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers
good willy ... you are correct .. i want learn advanced techniques. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: Peter: Marcio, stop being such a cheap bastard and go learn how to meditate properly... You idiot - he already said that he has been practicing TM-Sidhis for twenty years. What he wants now are advanced techniques. You are a spiritual teacher - do your job! Why don't you teach him a thing or two instead of trying to get him to pay more money? Marcio doesn't want to give your TMO another $2,500! Get a grip, Doctor!
[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers
Its an intriguing question. At this point I probably couldn't make a clear judgment about the effects of a mantra out of a book because I've been using the same TM one for a long time, and it has continued to perform reliably all these years. I don't know whether the initiation per shakti was what made the difference or the subtle way the mantra is imparted and the instructions about not straining or concentrating. Hard to say. I do recall that the experience of transcendence right after being initiated was pretty amazing - a sense of stillness and freedom that I had not felt before. So that was the carrot, definitely. Because I didn't feel I regained that sense of stillness and freedom during TM again until many many years later - lol. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifux...@... wrote: No, Richard. My point is based on experience. During my TM initiation, I experienced some definite SHAKTI, along with what the TMO calls Transcendence. IN MY EXPERIENCE - my TM mantra has a distinctive property: empowered ENERGY, not shared by: a. getting seed mantras from a book b. other mantras received from other Traditions. I'm just stating my experience; but ymmv. Maybe your mantra has no empowered Shakti in it, and for that reason you believe people can save $ and get the mantras from a book. Let's hear what some other people have to say. To the others: Is YOUR TM mantra empowered, making it superior to a mantra gotten from a book, or not. Let's hear it. http://www.startlingart.com/Viewer.asp?ImageSource=fine_artFileName=Primates_on_Parade --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@ wrote: yifuxero: Richard: I don't quite understand your point. Are you suggesting that one should get the bija mantras from a book and not get an empowered mantra through Initiation? According to at least three FFL pundits, that's all you need to do. Vaj listed all the bijas and Barry2 said they were all in books. What would be the benefit of giving Bevan Morris $2,500 for a single nonsense syllable to put before and after his TM bija? Everyone knows Bevan has about zero 'Shakti' power. You're not making any sense.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers
On Jan 6, 2011, at 11:45 AM, jpgillam wrote: How about Maharishi's notion that simply transcending enlivens the transcendent for people in the vicinity? Any recognition of that idea in your tradition? As I pointed out before, IMO the Maharishi's claim, based on his connecting TM with a verse from Patanjali, are simply not real--even if it is (or was) nice to meditate in groups. I do not believe TM, in general, establishes ahimsa in ones consciousness or in one's environment. And how about the notion that still consciousness can effect life-supporting behavior? Any acknowledgement of that idea? Your example of transferring consciousness to the benefit of a recipient's energetic body has some intention to it, which is different from Maharishi's teaching. Both approaches bear some similarities. Although one allows you to enliven your interconnectedness and actualize it for other's benefit, I see no such mechanism in TM, although it's always nice to have good intentions when we do meditate.
[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: yifuxero: Richard: I don't quite understand your point. Are you suggesting that one should get the bija mantras from a book and not get an empowered mantra through Initiation? According to at least three FFL pundits, that's all you need to do. Vaj listed all the bijas and Barry2 said they were all in books. What would be the benefit of giving Bevan Morris $2,500 for a single nonsense syllable to put before and after his TM bija? Everyone knows Bevan has about zero 'Shakti' power. You're not making any sense. Hmmm...how can you guarantee, that a native speaker of, say, English, gets the correct pronunciation of a biija- mantra from a Latin transliteration of it? :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers
RE: Global connectivity (not with TM)...right Vaj!) in spite of the loose usage of the word Global in the TMO. There's a lot of connectivity in Buddhism. Marcio - you'd be better off getting into Buddhism and its many available techniques (imo); than the Advanced TM techniques; but looks like you're not listening. Fine - follow Willy's advice; but you'll regret it down the road. Don't say you weren't warned. http://www.images-photography-pictures.net/Buddha.htm --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Jan 6, 2011, at 11:45 AM, jpgillam wrote: How about Maharishi's notion that simply transcending enlivens the transcendent for people in the vicinity? Any recognition of that idea in your tradition? As I pointed out before, IMO the Maharishi's claim, based on his connecting TM with a verse from Patanjali, are simply not real--even if it is (or was) nice to meditate in groups. I do not believe TM, in general, establishes ahimsa in ones consciousness or in one's environment. And how about the notion that still consciousness can effect life-supporting behavior? Any acknowledgement of that idea? Your example of transferring consciousness to the benefit of a recipient's energetic body has some intention to it, which is different from Maharishi's teaching. Both approaches bear some similarities. Although one allows you to enliven your interconnectedness and actualize it for other's benefit, I see no such mechanism in TM, although it's always nice to have good intentions when we do meditate.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers
On Jan 6, 2011, at 5:45 PM, yifuxero wrote: RE: Global connectivity (not with TM)...right Vaj!) in spite of the loose usage of the word Global in the TMO. There's a lot of connectivity in Buddhism. Marcio - you'd be better off getting into Buddhism and its many available techniques (imo); than the Advanced TM techniques; but looks like you're not listening. Fine - follow Willy's advice; but you'll regret it down the road. Don't say you weren't warned. http://www.images-photography-pictures.net/Buddha.htm I don't personally believe it's necessary to reject TM however on these grounds. For example, I was able to find a Hindu guru named Amma who happened to be on her first tour of the US who was more than happy to give me the full dharani of my TM mantra -- and to recharge it and me. Harish Johari not only told me how to draw and paint her yantra, but also hooked me up with a famous sitarist who had a charged one I could visit and see how it was used. I've also been initiated into various tantras and mind termas of my TM devata. One can take it as far as one wants. There are no limits. And there's certainly no need to reject your TM mantra if you have a connection. I instead looked at it as the perfect excuse to explore Her. My .02 USD
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers
...although it's always nice to have good intentions when we do meditate. This has nothing to do with TM. There is no such preference when practicing TM. That is why it is called -transcendental- meditation. There is no attempt to have good, or bad, intentions, or any intentions at all, except to take up the mantra in the absence of thought. TM is used differently than the types of meditation you have experience with, that work through mindfulness. TM is mechanical in its nature, as MMY says in the Gita - it works without regard to intention. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Jan 6, 2011, at 11:45 AM, jpgillam wrote: How about Maharishi's notion that simply transcending enlivens the transcendent for people in the vicinity? Any recognition of that idea in your tradition? As I pointed out before, IMO the Maharishi's claim, based on his connecting TM with a verse from Patanjali, are simply not real--even if it is (or was) nice to meditate in groups. I do not believe TM, in general, establishes ahimsa in ones consciousness or in one's environment. And how about the notion that still consciousness can effect life-supporting behavior? Any acknowledgement of that idea? Your example of transferring consciousness to the benefit of a recipient's energetic body has some intention to it, which is different from Maharishi's teaching. Both approaches bear some similarities. Although one allows you to enliven your interconnectedness and actualize it for other's benefit, I see no such mechanism in TM, although it's always nice to have good intentions when we do meditate.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: On Jan 6, 2011, at 11:45 AM, jpgillam wrote: How about Maharishi's notion that simply transcending enlivens the transcendent for people in the vicinity? Any recognition of that idea in your tradition? As I pointed out before, IMO the Maharishi's claim, based on his connecting TM with a verse from Patanjali, are simply not real--even if it is (or was) nice to meditate in groups. I do not believe TM, in general, establishes ahimsa in ones consciousness or in one's environment. You're saying TM does not work as advertised, and I get that; thanks. I'm asking something different, though. Let me use your terms: Does your tradition teach that transcending establishes ahimsa in one's environment? Feel free to substitute transcending with the proper word, if one better applies. Thanks.
[FairfieldLife] Shift of Earth's magnetic north pole affects Tampa airport
http://www2.tbo.com/content/2011/jan/05/060831/shift-of-earths-magnetic-north-pole-impacts-tampa-/news-money/ or http://tinyurl.com/2e55rdt Tampa is in the same state, sort of, as Dr. Pete. Could the shift in the magnetic pole have caused so many birds to drop out of the sky, dead?
[FairfieldLife] Pope Opines on the Big Bang
Contrary to some scientific ideas, he says the universe did not happen by accident. http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110106/sc_nm/us_pope_bigbang
[FairfieldLife] The Great Koan
There once was a beautiful Japanese girl whose parents owned a food store in a small village outside Edo. One day, without any warning, her parents discovered she was with child. This made her parents very angry, as they felt her impropriety brought dishonor on the family. She would not confess who the man was, but after much harassment at last named Hakuin, a local Zen priest. In great anger the father went to the master to confront him. Is that so? was all Hakuin would say. After the child was born it was brought to Hakuin. By this time he had lost his reputation as a holy man, which did not trouble him. However he took very good care of the child. He obtained milk from his neighbors and everything else the child needed. A year later the girl could stand it no longer. She told her parents the truth - the real father of the child was a young man who worked in the fish market. The mother and father of the girl at once went to Hakuin to ask forgiveness, to apologize at length, and to get the child back. Hakuin willingly yielded the child, saying only: Is that so?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pope Opines on the Big Bang
of course, a religious opinion. As Bill O'Reilly says, we opine, we opine,...; but an Elf could have created it, or the Universe is self-created.: http://www.fantasygallery.net/morill/art_6_elf.html --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_...@... wrote: Contrary to some scientific ideas, he says the universe did not happen by accident. http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110106/sc_nm/us_pope_bigbang
[FairfieldLife] Post Count
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[FairfieldLife] Party boat to Atlantis
http://www.fantasygallery.net/pukac/art_0_Party-Boat-To-Atlantis.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Party boat to Atlantis
On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 7:53 PM, yifuxero yifux...@yahoo.com wrote: http://www.fantasygallery.net/pukac/art_0_Party-Boat-To-Atlantis.html Completely OT in inappropriate here, Dude. How's about a picture of a party bus to Bangalore?
[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers
This question is interesting and might be valuable to consider. However it is too simplistic to answer in a straightforward way. Since some of us were trained as TM teachers, the real question about non-diksha mantras revolves around knowing how entertain a book mantra by knowing how to introduce it to the mind. Other questions revolve around the type and the length of the mantra. Most people here are used to practicing a monosyllabic mantra core that is enhanced with extra syllables. But starting out with foreign mantras and then asking if they work the same is just too simplistic of an approach. Most teachers (post 197o) learned a whole list of core mantra bijas. Later they found out that these bijas corresponded with various devata mantras recorded in the Tantras. However just picking out a devata mantra (such as NaraSingha or Kalika) is not at all the same experience as using one of the TM bija sets.) So can we start with teachers who have meditated with other bija-akshara mantras in the set they received when we were made initiators? I'll starting with the followingk observation: I received my mantra-set from MMY personally (mouth-to-ear) at Fiuggi in 1972. Because I was already familiar with Sir John Woodruff's books on Tantrika mantra-shastra, the mantras and their associated devatas was not news to me since I already understood that the mantras were given as traditional devata names in Woodruff's many works. Much later, when I worked briefly with different bija-s from the list, I found them all to be quite potent once I indeed entertained them in my awareness just as if they were my own mantra-of-initiation. I didn't continue using them to replace my own diksha mantra because I did not see any point in doing so. However, reading various Tantric shastras and their sadhanas shows that this can be a vary powerful way to deepen and concentrated the root shakti of the tradition. So teachers what say you? ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifux...@... wrote: No, Richard. My point is based on experience. During my TM initiation, I experienced some definite SHAKTI, along with what the TMO calls Transcendence. IN MY EXPERIENCE - my TM mantra has a distinctive property: empowered ENERGY, not shared by: a. getting seed mantras from a book b. other mantras received from other Traditions. I'm just stating my experience; but ymmv. Maybe your mantra has no empowered Shakti in it, and for that reason you believe people can save $ and get the mantras from a book. Let's hear what some other people have to say. To the others: Is YOUR TM mantra empowered, making it superior to a mantra gotten from a book, or not. Let's hear it. http://www.startlingart.com/Viewer.asp?ImageSource=fine_artFileName=Pri\ mates_on_Parade --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@ wrote: yifuxero: Richard: I don't quite understand your point. Are you suggesting that one should get the bija mantras from a book and not get an empowered mantra through Initiation? According to at least three FFL pundits, that's all you need to do. Vaj listed all the bijas and Barry2 said they were all in books. What would be the benefit of giving Bevan Morris $2,500 for a single nonsense syllable to put before and after his TM bija? Everyone knows Bevan has about zero 'Shakti' power. You're not making any sense.
[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers
I became a teacher in Biarritz, France in 1976. Maharishi was there to give us the TM mantras. I'm grateful to him for this knowledge and I feel honor bound to keep the teaching pure as he asked me to do. I haven't taught anyone in years, but I've always been amazed at the utter simplicity of imparting the mantra after the puja. I feel blessed to have witnessed people transcending for the first time...so delicately, innocently, and beautifully. It's a joy. All I can say is, Jai Guru Dev and bow down. I don't experiment with mantras. I figure, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. I do TM as instructed. I've had several advanced techniques, the age of enlightenment technique and the TM-Sidhis. I was on the Vedic Atom in India with Maharishi where I did a lot of rounding and also, long programs in the dome for many years. I've trimmed program down to about an hour twice a day. I don't go to the dome regularly, but I like to go when I'm not too busy with work or family. When I retire, I'd like to do a longer program again, but for now, I'm happy as it is. Maharishi's program has given me peace in my heart and silence in my awareness and that's plenty good enough for me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptyb...@... wrote: This question is interesting and might be valuable to consider. However it is too simplistic to answer in a straightforward way. Since some of us were trained as TM teachers, the real question about non-diksha mantras revolves around knowing how entertain a book mantra by knowing how to introduce it to the mind. Other questions revolve around the type and the length of the mantra. Most people here are used to practicing a monosyllabic mantra core that is enhanced with extra syllables. But starting out with foreign mantras and then asking if they work the same is just too simplistic of an approach. Most teachers (post 197o) learned a whole list of core mantra bijas. Later they found out that these bijas corresponded with various devata mantras recorded in the Tantras. However just picking out a devata mantra (such as NaraSingha or Kalika) is not at all the same experience as using one of the TM bija sets.) So can we start with teachers who have meditated with other bija-akshara mantras in the set they received when we were made initiators? I'll starting with the followingk observation: I received my mantra-set from MMY personally (mouth-to-ear) at Fiuggi in 1972. Because I was already familiar with Sir John Woodruff's books on Tantrika mantra-shastra, the mantras and their associated devatas was not news to me since I already understood that the mantras were given as traditional devata names in Woodruff's many works. Much later, when I worked briefly with different bija-s from the list, I found them all to be quite potent once I indeed entertained them in my awareness just as if they were my own mantra-of-initiation. I didn't continue using them to replace my own diksha mantra because I did not see any point in doing so. However, reading various Tantric shastras and their sadhanas shows that this can be a vary powerful way to deepen and concentrated the root shakti of the tradition. So teachers what say you? ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifuxero@ wrote: No, Richard. My point is based on experience. During my TM initiation, I experienced some definite SHAKTI, along with what the TMO calls Transcendence. IN MY EXPERIENCE - my TM mantra has a distinctive property: empowered ENERGY, not shared by: a. getting seed mantras from a book b. other mantras received from other Traditions. I'm just stating my experience; but ymmv. Maybe your mantra has no empowered Shakti in it, and for that reason you believe people can save $ and get the mantras from a book. Let's hear what some other people have to say. To the others: Is YOUR TM mantra empowered, making it superior to a mantra gotten from a book, or not. Let's hear it. http://www.startlingart.com/Viewer.asp?ImageSource=fine_artFileName=Pri\ mates_on_Parade --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@ wrote: yifuxero: Richard: I don't quite understand your point. Are you suggesting that one should get the bija mantras from a book and not get an empowered mantra through Initiation? According to at least three FFL pundits, that's all you need to do. Vaj listed all the bijas and Barry2 said they were all in books. What would be the benefit of giving Bevan Morris $2,500 for a single nonsense syllable to put before and after his TM bija? Everyone knows Bevan has about zero 'Shakti' power. You're not making any sense.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers
All of this translates into: my gobbledygook belief is better than yours because I say so. Which is fine, but be aware that you're still spouting gobbledygook beliefs in the eyes (ears?) of most of humanity. Lawson --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Jan 6, 2011, at 11:45 AM, jpgillam wrote: How about Maharishi's notion that simply transcending enlivens the transcendent for people in the vicinity? Any recognition of that idea in your tradition? As I pointed out before, IMO the Maharishi's claim, based on his connecting TM with a verse from Patanjali, are simply not real--even if it is (or was) nice to meditate in groups. I do not believe TM, in general, establishes ahimsa in ones consciousness or in one's environment. And how about the notion that still consciousness can effect life-supporting behavior? Any acknowledgement of that idea? Your example of transferring consciousness to the benefit of a recipient's energetic body has some intention to it, which is different from Maharishi's teaching. Both approaches bear some similarities. Although one allows you to enliven your interconnectedness and actualize it for other's benefit, I see no such mechanism in TM, although it's always nice to have good intentions when we do meditate.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: [...] I agree with this more or less. A lot of people are like myself, though...came to FF to be part of the meditating community, then for various reasons stopped going to the Dooms, or stopped meditating, or both, but still enjoy living here for a number of reasons. Just because someone goes to a place with a certain intention, doesn't mean their journey stops cold or that that intention will always be there. It's called Life, and it's what happens while you're busy making other plans. Sal Fair enough, but do you still go to the Dome every day to bounce on your derriere? Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: [...] I agree with this more or less. A lot of people are like myself, though...came to FF to be part of the meditating community, then for various reasons stopped going to the Dooms, or stopped meditating, or both, but still enjoy living here for a number of reasons. Just because someone goes to a place with a certain intention, doesn't mean their journey stops cold or that that intention will always be there. It's called Life, and it's what happens while you're busy making other plans. Sal Fair enough, but do you still go to the Dome every day to bounce on your derriere? Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: Republican Cry Babies
After Scharwenegger bigfooted crybaby Darrel Issa out of 2003 gov recall, Arnold undoubtedly referred to him as a Girlyman and inspired this video: http://wn.com/Girlyman --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: Both Darryl Issa and John Boehner are famous for their crying. Lends more meaning to the reasoning that those whiny kids that you grew up with who ran to their mommy all the time grew up to be Republicans. Issa is the richest member of congress and a former car thief. Since my latest addition to my animation tools is Crazy Animator Pro I'm thinking of doing a video of the two of them crying together. I'd use Cry Baby Cry as background music but I'm sure some bright eyed bushy tailed twenty something at YouTube would see it as a copyright violation even if I did my own cover. Bet John Lennon would approve. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VW0v7wwfkQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ir1UABBe1v4 More on Darrell Issa: http://issaexposed.couragecampaign.org/
[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers
Thanks for sharing that RD, the peace and silence come through. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: I became a teacher in Biarritz, France in 1976. Maharishi was there to give us the TM mantras. I'm grateful to him for this knowledge and I feel honor bound to keep the teaching pure as he asked me to do. I haven't taught anyone in years, but I've always been amazed at the utter simplicity of imparting the mantra after the puja. I feel blessed to have witnessed people transcending for the first time...so delicately, innocently, and beautifully. It's a joy. All I can say is, Jai Guru Dev and bow down. I don't experiment with mantras. I figure, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. I do TM as instructed. I've had several advanced techniques, the age of enlightenment technique and the TM-Sidhis. I was on the Vedic Atom in India with Maharishi where I did a lot of rounding and also, long programs in the dome for many years. I've trimmed program down to about an hour twice a day. I don't go to the dome regularly, but I like to go when I'm not too busy with work or family. When I retire, I'd like to do a longer program again, but for now, I'm happy as it is. Maharishi's program has given me peace in my heart and silence in my awareness and that's plenty good enough for me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: This question is interesting and might be valuable to consider. However it is too simplistic to answer in a straightforward way. Since some of us were trained as TM teachers, the real question about non-diksha mantras revolves around knowing how entertain a book mantra by knowing how to introduce it to the mind. Other questions revolve around the type and the length of the mantra. Most people here are used to practicing a monosyllabic mantra core that is enhanced with extra syllables. But starting out with foreign mantras and then asking if they work the same is just too simplistic of an approach. Most teachers (post 197o) learned a whole list of core mantra bijas. Later they found out that these bijas corresponded with various devata mantras recorded in the Tantras. However just picking out a devata mantra (such as NaraSingha or Kalika) is not at all the same experience as using one of the TM bija sets.) So can we start with teachers who have meditated with other bija-akshara mantras in the set they received when we were made initiators? I'll starting with the followingk observation: I received my mantra-set from MMY personally (mouth-to-ear) at Fiuggi in 1972. Because I was already familiar with Sir John Woodruff's books on Tantrika mantra-shastra, the mantras and their associated devatas was not news to me since I already understood that the mantras were given as traditional devata names in Woodruff's many works. Much later, when I worked briefly with different bija-s from the list, I found them all to be quite potent once I indeed entertained them in my awareness just as if they were my own mantra-of-initiation. I didn't continue using them to replace my own diksha mantra because I did not see any point in doing so. However, reading various Tantric shastras and their sadhanas shows that this can be a vary powerful way to deepen and concentrated the root shakti of the tradition. So teachers what say you? ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifuxero@ wrote: No, Richard. My point is based on experience. During my TM initiation, I experienced some definite SHAKTI, along with what the TMO calls Transcendence. IN MY EXPERIENCE - my TM mantra has a distinctive property: empowered ENERGY, not shared by: a. getting seed mantras from a book b. other mantras received from other Traditions. I'm just stating my experience; but ymmv. Maybe your mantra has no empowered Shakti in it, and for that reason you believe people can save $ and get the mantras from a book. Let's hear what some other people have to say. To the others: Is YOUR TM mantra empowered, making it superior to a mantra gotten from a book, or not. Let's hear it. http://www.startlingart.com/Viewer.asp?ImageSource=fine_artFileName=Pri\ mates_on_Parade --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@ wrote: yifuxero: Richard: I don't quite understand your point. Are you suggesting that one should get the bija mantras from a book and not get an empowered mantra through Initiation? According to at least three FFL pundits, that's all you need to do. Vaj listed all the bijas and Barry2 said they were all in books. What would be the benefit of giving Bevan Morris $2,500 for a single nonsense syllable to put before and after
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers
On Jan 6, 2011, at 10:32 PM, sparaig wrote: -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: [...] I agree with this more or less. A lot of people are like myself, though...came to FF to be part of the meditating community, then for various reasons stopped going to the Dooms, or stopped meditating, or both, but still enjoy living here for a number of reasons. Just because someone goes to a place with a certain intention, doesn't mean their journey stops cold or that that intention will always be there. It's called Life, and it's what happens while you're busy making other plans. Sal Fair enough, but do you still go to the Dome every day to bounce on your derriere? Spare, except for possibly 2 or maybe 3 ghandarva-veda concerts, I have not been in either one of the Dooms for 16 years. And no, I don't meditate either anymore, so I doubt I could get in even if I wanted to. But it's really a moot issue, since I don't want to. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers
So that's your background, RD... And all along I've assumed you were a former roadie-street type person with a name like Raunchy Dog, when in fact you've had quite a spiritually clean background over the years. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: I became a teacher in Biarritz, France in 1976. Maharishi was there to give us the TM mantras. I'm grateful to him for this knowledge and I feel honor bound to keep the teaching pure as he asked me to do. I haven't taught anyone in years, but I've always been amazed at the utter simplicity of imparting the mantra after the puja. I feel blessed to have witnessed people transcending for the first time...so delicately, innocently, and beautifully. It's a joy. All I can say is, Jai Guru Dev and bow down. I don't experiment with mantras. I figure, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. I do TM as instructed. I've had several advanced techniques, the age of enlightenment technique and the TM-Sidhis. I was on the Vedic Atom in India with Maharishi where I did a lot of rounding and also, long programs in the dome for many years. I've trimmed program down to about an hour twice a day. I don't go to the dome regularly, but I like to go when I'm not too busy with work or family. When I retire, I'd like to do a longer program again, but for now, I'm happy as it is. Maharishi's program has given me peace in my heart and silence in my awareness and that's plenty good enough for me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: This question is interesting and might be valuable to consider. However it is too simplistic to answer in a straightforward way. Since some of us were trained as TM teachers, the real question about non-diksha mantras revolves around knowing how entertain a book mantra by knowing how to introduce it to the mind. Other questions revolve around the type and the length of the mantra. Most people here are used to practicing a monosyllabic mantra core that is enhanced with extra syllables. But starting out with foreign mantras and then asking if they work the same is just too simplistic of an approach. Most teachers (post 197o) learned a whole list of core mantra bijas. Later they found out that these bijas corresponded with various devata mantras recorded in the Tantras. However just picking out a devata mantra (such as NaraSingha or Kalika) is not at all the same experience as using one of the TM bija sets.) So can we start with teachers who have meditated with other bija-akshara mantras in the set they received when we were made initiators? I'll starting with the followingk observation: I received my mantra-set from MMY personally (mouth-to-ear) at Fiuggi in 1972. Because I was already familiar with Sir John Woodruff's books on Tantrika mantra-shastra, the mantras and their associated devatas was not news to me since I already understood that the mantras were given as traditional devata names in Woodruff's many works. Much later, when I worked briefly with different bija-s from the list, I found them all to be quite potent once I indeed entertained them in my awareness just as if they were my own mantra-of-initiation. I didn't continue using them to replace my own diksha mantra because I did not see any point in doing so. However, reading various Tantric shastras and their sadhanas shows that this can be a vary powerful way to deepen and concentrated the root shakti of the tradition. So teachers what say you? ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifuxero@ wrote: No, Richard. My point is based on experience. During my TM initiation, I experienced some definite SHAKTI, along with what the TMO calls Transcendence. IN MY EXPERIENCE - my TM mantra has a distinctive property: empowered ENERGY, not shared by: a. getting seed mantras from a book b. other mantras received from other Traditions. I'm just stating my experience; but ymmv. Maybe your mantra has no empowered Shakti in it, and for that reason you believe people can save $ and get the mantras from a book. Let's hear what some other people have to say. To the others: Is YOUR TM mantra empowered, making it superior to a mantra gotten from a book, or not. Let's hear it. http://www.startlingart.com/Viewer.asp?ImageSource=fine_artFileName=Pri\ \ mates_on_Parade --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@ wrote: yifuxero: Richard: I don't quite understand your point. Are you suggesting that one should get the bija mantras from a book and not get an empowered mantra through Initiation? According to at least three FFL pundits, that's all you need to do. Vaj listed all the bijas and Barry2 said they were all in books. What would be the benefit of
[FairfieldLife] Re: Course Fees -- The Gold Standard
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: The justification for charging would be that if a fee is charged, more resources can be brought to bear to bring the teaching / thing to more... TurquoiseB: And why would one want that? The more you give, the more people we can help. - Frederick Lenz The Code Cult of the CPU Guru: http://www.ex-cult.org/Groups/Rama/wired Synchronicity flash: the Kris Kane mentioned in the Wired article as a Zen Master Rama apologist trying to fend off the Wired editor writing the article, is Gonga, the fellow who was in Fairfield last week giving a few public talks on Secrets of the Siddhas; who is also Tom Royer, an old 1970's era TM teacher. Whatever the Secrets of the Siddhas may be, Zen Master Rama's secrets were not on the table for inspection by Wired, or at the talks, nor were any of Gonga's secrets. The secret bit is quite the recurring theme in the guru scene. FYI upanishad means secret. IMO one of the endemic flaws in the culture.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Republican Cry Babies
Just uploaded my latest video to YouTube. Here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_Ed6SlrUYQ On 01/06/2011 08:43 PM, raunchydog wrote: After Scharwenegger bigfooted crybaby Darrel Issa out of 2003 gov recall, Arnold undoubtedly referred to him as a Girlyman and inspired this video: http://wn.com/Girlyman --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozg...@... wrote: Both Darryl Issa and John Boehner are famous for their crying. Lends more meaning to the reasoning that those whiny kids that you grew up with who ran to their mommy all the time grew up to be Republicans. Issa is the richest member of congress and a former car thief. Since my latest addition to my animation tools is Crazy Animator Pro I'm thinking of doing a video of the two of them crying together. I'd use Cry Baby Cry as background music but I'm sure some bright eyed bushy tailed twenty something at YouTube would see it as a copyright violation even if I did my own cover. Bet John Lennon would approve. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VW0v7wwfkQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ir1UABBe1v4 More on Darrell Issa: http://issaexposed.couragecampaign.org/
[FairfieldLife] Video: Republican Cry Babies
My latest creation done with Crazy Animator Pro from the same folks who make the iClone 3D program I use. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_Ed6SlrUYQ A little political satire to start your day!
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers
Aah..the trickster Turqster, the skeptic of the skeptics, The Skeptic Guru's back, spewing the same old retarded bullshit. Its not the people who are narcissistic, its the practices that are narcissistic. Hail to his wisdom...LOL. Poor Turq, he has been carrying around the corpse of his trust to flog people around with. You can repeat dead practices, dead mantras buts its of no use, practices and mantras get the power from the realized Mahatmas. But if the seeker is genuine even an incorrect practice leads to self-realization. How can an inanimate thing have power? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB turquoi...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jpgillam jpgillam@ wrote: For that matter, I'd like to hear from anyone about these issues. All of the people who have issues with the TM organization, for example, might want to weigh in with their perspectives and those of their teaching traditions. Patrick, earlier today I read your request above and only two phrases popped to my mind when I tried to describe my feelings about the supposed Maharishi Effect: narcissism and self-importance. I decided not to reply, because I didn't think that very many who have invested heavily *in* that narcissism and self-importance would get what I'm suggesting is wrong with a practice that is IMO almost completely based in narcissism and self-importance. Interestingly, a few hours later I ran across this interesting blog on Huffpost. In it, Rabbi Alan Lurie put my feelings into words better than I could have. Emphasis (bolding) below is mine. The Allure of Narcissistic Spirituality http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rabbi-alan-lurie/the-allure-of-spiritual-\ \ n_b_803415.html Several months ago, my wife and I attended a prayer service at a synagogue that is well known for its spiritual, and spirited, approach. As we entered, the rabbi was leading a meditation. Close your eyes and breathe in the peace of Shabbat [the Sabbath]. she said. And on the out-breathe imagine that you are sending healing love to all beings. We passed a man who appeared to be deep in meditation. His eyes were closed, and through a slightly opened smile he slowly breathed in and out. As we moved to our seats, I accidentally stepped on his toe. He quickly turned toward me; his smile vanished and he angrily hissed, Hey, watch it, buddy! In the irony of a person being angry at a stranger for accidentally interrupting his meditation about universal, unconditional love, this man demonstrated the disturbing, alluring and all-too common phenomenon of spiritual narcissism. To understand spiritual narcissism we must first understand the word spirituality. My acting definition is, The experience of a transformative connection. In other words, spirituality is experienced -- it is not a concept or construct. It transforms us. It changes how we act, think and feel in all environments. And it is a connection -- a profound contact with something and someone outside of our selves. All three of these components are needed in order for spirituality to occur, but the most essential is that it be a connection -- between a person and the Divine, or between one person and another. Spiritual practices are designed to facilitate these connections, and begin with the knowledge that we have two selves: an ego-self and a true-Self. The ego-self is built on our strategy for ensuring that we are physically safe, stemming from our interpretation of the experiences of our lives (primarily our childhood) in which we determined what was required in order to survive. The ego-self may need to impress, dominate or control and sees others as either threats or tools. There is nothing inherently wrong with the ego-self; it is a necessary structure put in place so that we can survive in physical reality. But it is not who we really are, and we can not make a spiritual connection from it. Our true-Self, however, which is often referred to as our soul, contains the very purpose that we incarnated, and is in constant connection with Spirit/Consciousness/Creation/God. It sees others as fellow souls with equally needed purposes, and has compassion for the suffering that comes from the ego-self's attachment to things. Spiritual practices help us to loosen the grip of the ego-self and to connect to the true-Self, so that we can live purposefully, be of service and participate in love. The central Biblical injunction to Love your neighbor as yourself is usually interpreted to mean that we must learn to love others, with the assumption that we already love ourselves. Literally translated, though, this line actually reads, And you will [in the future tense] love your fellow in the same way that you love yourself. In other words, we will love another to the extent and in the way that we love ourselves. If you are harsh with yourself, you will be harsh with others. If you can not forgive yourself,
[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Jan 5, 2011, at 2:53 PM, Marcio wrote: wow very good Vaj thank you so much ... :) :) :) :) If you mean true in that they were at one time given by the TMO, yes. But they are not the mantras of the devatas which are more traditionally given. Mere trivia IMO but fascinating none the less, regarding krim, the TM mantra for people initiated at 30 years old: The first term of Kali's famous 21 syllable mantra is made up of k-r-i-m, the first three letters of which are known as lust (kama), fire (vahni), and sexual desire ( rati). From page 89 of Kali's Child, a fascinating if not controversial book by Jeffrey Kripal based on his doctoral thesis on the life of Ramakrishna, Vivekanada's master.
