[FairfieldLife] Re: Two cool photos...

2011-01-07 Thread raviyogi2009
RD, My message was a pun on the Turqster.
Spirituality is subjective, right brain thing too. Turqster is so
traumatized by his wounds caused by his associations with false Gurus
that he fails to realize the contradictions in his words. He has no
problem relating his subjective experiences with the nature but reacts
in a very negative and deceptive manner if someone does the same with
their spiritual experiences - feel sorry for him really.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@...
wrote:

 Art *is* subjective. Just try to analyze Van Gogh or Monet and all
you'll conclude is that one guy cut off an ear and the other guy didn't
get out much.  See beauty with your heart. Either you feel it or you
don't. It's a right brain thang.

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raviyogi2009 no_reply@ wrote:
 
  Please no subjective experiences, we need to clearly understand why
we
  should enjoy these pictures.
  Explain clearly as to why we should enjoy these pictures in a 2 to 3
  paragraph essay. Please include
  1) Clear examples of at least 3 people who have had a noticeable
  difference in their life that would muster up to scientific inquiry
  after visiting these places. Everyone should include theri bios,
medical
  history, X-Rays, CAT scans etc.2) These experiences shouldn't be
  subjective (what the fuck does enjoyable and magical mean anyway?)3)
No
  one should be an authority, should not quote any poet, mystic,
Gurus, no
  adjectives period..4) Anything else you deem necessary for us to
  clearly, methodically and logically analyze this.
 
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@
  wrote:
  
   ...passed along for your enjoyment.
  
   The first is a composite: the same scene photographed every day
for a
   year, and then put together to present a kind of full-year
timescape:
  
 [http://eirikso.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Allof2010.jpg]
   http://eirikso.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Allof2010.jpg
   http://eirikso.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Allof2010.jpg
  
   The second strikes a real resonance with me because I've hiked
Arches
   National Park at night, and this photo is like deja vu. The Four
  Corners
   area is one of the least populated areas of America, and magical
as a
   result:
  
 [http://i.imgur.com/JLcF3.jpg]
   http://i.imgur.com/JLcF3.jpg http://i.imgur.com/JLcF3.jpg
  
 




[FairfieldLife] Potential recruit for research on the ME

2011-01-07 Thread TurquoiseB
He'd fit right in with the other TM scientists...

http://www.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/01/05/autism.vaccines/index.html

My point is that people do this shit all the time, make
stuff up to fit their beliefs, their preconceptions, and
their agendas. I suspect that half the time they are such
TBs about these beliefs, preconceptions and agendas that 
they don't even consciously know that they're faking the 
data. But they are...




[FairfieldLife] Wikiauditing: former Scientology celeb becomes whistleblower

2011-01-07 Thread TurquoiseB
In what should be a (to invoke the spirit of Ed Sullivan) 
reeeally good sheow, Paul Haggis (writer-director of 
Crash and The Next Three Days, writer of Casino Royale, 
Quantum Of Solace, and Million Dollar Baby) is due to 
be the key whistleblower in an upcoming book on Scientology.

http://gawker.com/5725832/the-scientology-expose-weve-been-waiting-for

Given the levels of access and insider status that Scien-
tology tends to give its celebrity shills, Miscavige must
be shitting in his pants and L. Ron Hubbard uneasy in his
grave, neither of which distresses me in the least. 

Interestingly, the New Yorker article on which the book
is based has not yet run. My bet as to why is Scientology
lawyers and their never-disbanded Fair Game hit squad.

People use the word 'guru' because 'charlatan' 
is so hard to spell. - Peter Drucker




[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-07 Thread nablusoss1008


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote:

 I became a teacher in Biarritz, France in 1976. Maharishi was there to give 
 us the TM mantras. I'm grateful to him for this knowledge and I feel honor 
 bound to keep the teaching pure as he asked me to do. I haven't taught 
 anyone in years, but I've always been amazed at the utter simplicity of 
 imparting the mantra after the puja. I feel blessed to have witnessed people 
 transcending for the first time...so delicately, innocently, and beautifully. 
 It's a joy. All I can say is, Jai Guru Dev and bow down.  
 
 I don't experiment with mantras. I figure, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. I 
 do TM as instructed. I've had several advanced techniques, the age of 
 enlightenment technique and the TM-Sidhis. I was on the Vedic Atom in India 
 with Maharishi where I did a lot of rounding and also, long programs in the 
 dome for many years. I've trimmed program down to about an hour twice a day. 
 I don't go to the dome regularly, but I like to go when I'm not too busy with 
 work or family. When I retire, I'd like to do a longer program again, but for 
 now, I'm happy as it is. Maharishi's program has given me peace in my heart 
 and silence in my awareness and that's plenty good enough for me.



Beautiful, thanks for posting this.

It's so good to hear that you've kept the knowledge simple; the cluttering of 
minds we often see here stems from making simple things complicated.

If so much complications can arise in the minds of people in such a short time 
just imagine what the knowledge could look like in a couple of generations. 

That's why people like you are so valuable.



[FairfieldLife] Surprising study shows why Repugs may cry so much

2011-01-07 Thread TurquoiseB
Why do conservatives like Boehner and Glenn Beck cry?
Well, an interesting new study reveals that it may be
because they're trying to lower the testosterone count
of their audience to chemically neuter them and prevent 
them from having sexual thoughts or desires.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/06/chemical-signal-in-womens_n_805368.html?ir=Health

For those without the attention span to read the article :-),
it turns out that emotional tears in either men or women
are chemically different than grit in your eyes tears,
and have an interesting chemical effect on those close
enough to smell them (even though they have no discernible
smell). 

Go figure. Now if BillyG could find some way of crying
in his FFL posts, maybe he'd have more luck trying to
cure people of their lascivious ways. 

Just kidding, Billy. Really. :-)




[FairfieldLife] Re: Surprising study shows why Repugs may cry so much

2011-01-07 Thread wgm4u


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB turquoi...@... wrote:

 Why do conservatives like Boehner and Glenn Beck cry?
 Well, an interesting new study reveals that it may be
 because they're trying to lower the testosterone count
 of their audience to chemically neuter them and prevent 
 them from having sexual thoughts or desires.
 
 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/06/chemical-signal-in-womens_n_805368.html?ir=Health
 
 For those without the attention span to read the article :-),
 it turns out that emotional tears in either men or women
 are chemically different than grit in your eyes tears,
 and have an interesting chemical effect on those close
 enough to smell them (even though they have no discernible
 smell). 
 
 Go figure. Now if BillyG could find some way of crying
 in his FFL posts, maybe he'd have more luck trying to
 cure people of their lascivious ways. 
 
 Just kidding, Billy. Really. :-)

Sniff



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers

2011-01-07 Thread Vaj


On Jan 6, 2011, at 6:02 PM, jpgillam wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:


 On Jan 6, 2011, at 11:45 AM, jpgillam wrote:

  How about Maharishi's notion that simply transcending
  enlivens the transcendent for people in the vicinity? Any
  recognition of that idea in your tradition?

 As I pointed out before, IMO the Maharishi's claim, based on his  
connecting TM with a verse from Patanjali, are simply not real-- 
even if it is (or was) nice to meditate in groups. I do not believe  
TM, in general, establishes ahimsa in ones consciousness or in  
one's environment.


You're saying TM does not work as advertised, and
I get that; thanks. I'm asking something different,
though. Let me use your terms: Does your
tradition teach that transcending establishes
ahimsa in one's environment?

Feel free to substitute transcending with the
proper word, if one better applies.

Thanks.



I would say that both the Patanjali tradition says that and the  
Buddhist traditions say that Awakened Mind can transform  
environments, indeed whole world systems.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers

2011-01-07 Thread Vaj


On Jan 6, 2011, at 11:28 PM, sparaig wrote:

All of this translates into: my gobbledygook belief is better than  
yours because I say so.


Which is fine, but be aware that you're still spouting gobbledygook  
beliefs in the eyes (ears?) of most of humanity.



There's been on-going research on awakening in Buddhist meditation  
and it's effect on negative emotions and others.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-07 Thread Vaj


On Jan 6, 2011, at 3:25 PM, Marcio wrote:



how do you explain this? or you withdrew from your own mind?



Marcio, it's usually pretty easy to find someone who will give you  
your entire TM devata mantra, which will improve and deepen your  
transcending. Often they charge nothing or a donation. Amma used to  
be a popular one in this area. I don't know if she visits where you  
live.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-07 Thread Vaj


On Jan 6, 2011, at 4:19 PM, WillyTex wrote:


yifuxero:
 Richard: I don't quite understand your point.
 Are you suggesting that one should get the
 bija mantras from a book and not get an
 empowered mantra through Initiation?

According to at least three FFL pundits, that's
all you need to do. Vaj listed all the bijas and
Barry2 said they were all in books. What would
be the benefit of giving Bevan Morris $2,500 for
a single nonsense syllable to put before and after
his TM bija? Everyone knows Bevan has about zero
'Shakti' power. You're not making any sense.



 I don't recommend people getting mantras from books for meditation  
practice. But I don't recommend people paying exorbitant prices either.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-07 Thread Vaj


On Jan 6, 2011, at 9:16 PM, emptybill wrote:


So teachers … what say you?



Have you been recertified?

I thought you left your course prematurely William?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Potential recruit for research on the ME

2011-01-07 Thread whynotnow7
I'd increase your percentage in the paragraph below to 100%. There are some 
people who are completely unaware what their agenda is. It is very clear to 
others what they are compensating for, but for the person doing the action, 
they have no clue. Ironic, huh?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB turquoi...@... wrote:

 He'd fit right in with the other TM scientists...
 
 http://www.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/01/05/autism.vaccines/index.html
 
 My point is that people do this shit all the time, make
 stuff up to fit their beliefs, their preconceptions, and
 their agendas. I suspect that half the time they are such
 TBs about these beliefs, preconceptions and agendas that 
 they don't even consciously know that they're faking the 
 data. But they are...





[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers

2011-01-07 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:

 I would say that both the Patanjali tradition says that and the  
 Buddhist traditions say that Awakened Mind can transform  
 environments, indeed whole world systems.

What would you say, Vaj, to the suggestion (not original
with me) that ALL of the myths of the enlightened being
able to positively transform the environment were invented
to sucker people into paying for their lives so that they
didn't have to work?

I mean, there are no *testable* benefits to others of being
enlightened. The only evidence we have to the contrary is
dogma created by people who had a vested interest in people
believing that the enlightenment of the monks they were
supposed to support through their donations would somehow
benefit them, the donors.

Although I admit the possibility that the enlightened have
a value for others (even though I have seen zero evidence
of it), I can also see some validity to this suggestion. 
In a very real sense, it's like someone saying, You should 
pay for me to pursue my studies to become a master fly 
fisherman, because as we all know the superradiance
pouring off of a master fly fisherman transforms the
environment and benefits all sentient beings.  :-)




Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers

2011-01-07 Thread Vaj


On Jan 7, 2011, at 9:41 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:

 I would say that both the Patanjali tradition says that and the
 Buddhist traditions say that Awakened Mind can transform
 environments, indeed whole world systems.

What would you say, Vaj, to the suggestion (not original
with me) that ALL of the myths of the enlightened being
able to positively transform the environment were invented
to sucker people into paying for their lives so that they
didn't have to work?

I mean, there are no *testable* benefits to others of being
enlightened. The only evidence we have to the contrary is
dogma created by people who had a vested interest in people
believing that the enlightenment of the monks they were
supposed to support through their donations would somehow
benefit them, the donors.

Although I admit the possibility that the enlightened have
a value for others (even though I have seen zero evidence
of it), I can also see some validity to this suggestion.
In a very real sense, it's like someone saying, You should
pay for me to pursue my studies to become a master fly
fisherman, because as we all know the superradiance
pouring off of a master fly fisherman transforms the
environment and benefits all sentient beings. :-)



I'm very busy the next couple of days, so it might take me a while to  
look into it. but I believe there is actual evidence out there.


One involves what's come to be called mirror neurons, which are a  
way we each keep track internally within ourselves of how others  
around us are, how their minds are. The other was research on  
advanced meditators who then were put thru a series of tests where  
their worldview was challenged by an expert in arguing. In the expert  
meditators who had conquered a lot of their negative emotions, it  
just rolled off them; they were unaffected.


And there are other, more anecdotal examples of an entire country  
that learned to meditate and embrace awakening as part of their  
lives. Not only did strife and war disappear, but the healthcare  
system became an integrated model between allopathic medicine, and  
Tibetan medicine (Ayurvedic and Chinese medicine).


I don't know that change is necessarily non-physical, but it is  
relational. People see other people who seem happy, and want to know  
why.

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-07 Thread raunchydog
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, pranamoocher no_re...@... wrote:

 So that's your background, RD...
 And all along I've assumed you were a former roadie-street type person
 with a name like Raunchy Dog, when in fact you've had quite a
 spiritually clean background over the years.
 
 

Hair of the dog,
Whiskey, sly, wry.
Wagging tell tale,
In the wink of an eye.

Concocted profusion,
Aim to confuse `em.

So, toast to the New Year,
Pledge not to lie,
But, niggle for giggles.
Here's mud in your eye!

Cheers!

rd

And thus I clothe my naked villany
With odd old ends stol'n forth of holy writ,
And seem a saint when most I play the devil.
~ William Shakespeare, King Richard III. Act I, scene iii

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@
 wrote:
 
  I became a teacher in Biarritz, France in 1976. Maharishi was there to
 give us the TM mantras. I'm grateful to him for this knowledge and I
 feel honor bound to keep the teaching pure as he asked me to do. I
 haven't taught anyone in years, but I've always been amazed at the utter
 simplicity of imparting the mantra after the puja. I feel blessed to
 have witnessed people transcending for the first time...so delicately,
 innocently, and beautifully. It's a joy. All I can say is, Jai Guru Dev
 and bow down.
 
  I don't experiment with mantras. I figure, if it ain't broke, don't
 fix it. I do TM as instructed. I've had several advanced techniques, the
 age of enlightenment technique and the TM-Sidhis. I was on the Vedic
 Atom in India with Maharishi where I did a lot of rounding and also,
 long programs in the dome for many years. I've trimmed program down to
 about an hour twice a day. I don't go to the dome regularly, but I like
 to go when I'm not too busy with work or family. When I retire, I'd like
 to do a longer program again, but for now, I'm happy as it is.
 Maharishi's program has given me peace in my heart and silence in my
 awareness and that's plenty good enough for me.
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote:
  
  
   This question is interesting and might be valuable to consider.
 However
   it is too simplistic to answer in a straightforward way.
  
  
  
   Since some of us were trained as TM teachers, the real question
 about
   non-diksha mantras revolves around knowing how entertain a
   book mantra by knowing how to introduce it to the mind. Other
   questions revolve around the type and the length of the mantra.
  
  
  
   Most people here are used to practicing a monosyllabic mantra core
 that
   is enhanced with extra syllables. But starting out with
   foreign mantras and then asking if they work the same is just
   too simplistic of an approach.
  
  
  
   Most teachers (post 197o) learned a whole list of core mantra bijas.
   Later they found out that these bijas corresponded with various
 devata
   mantras recorded in the Tantras. However just picking out a devata
   mantra (such as NaraSingha or Kalika) is not at all the same
 experience
   as using one of the TM bija sets.)
  
  
  
   So can we start with teachers who have meditated with other
 bija-akshara
   mantras in the set they received when we were made initiators?
  
  
  
   I'll starting with the followingk observation:
  
  
  
   I received my mantra-set from MMY personally (mouth-to-ear) at
 Fiuggi in
   1972. Because I was already familiar with Sir John Woodruff's books
   on Tantrika mantra-shastra, the mantras and their associated devatas
 was
   not news to me since I already understood that the mantras were
 given as
   traditional devata names in Woodruff's many works.
  
  
  
   Much later, when I worked briefly with different bija-s from the
 list, I
   found them all to be quite potent once I indeed entertained them in
 my
   awareness just as if they were my own mantra-of-initiation.
  
  
  
   I didn't continue using them to replace my own diksha mantra because
   I did not see any point in doing so. However, reading various
 Tantric
   shastras and their sadhanas shows that this can be a vary powerful
 way
   to deepen and concentrated the root shakti of the tradition.
  
  
  
   So teachers … what say you?
  
  
   **
  
  
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifuxero@ wrote:
   
No, Richard.  My point is based on experience. During my TM
   initiation, I experienced some definite SHAKTI, along with what the
 TMO
   calls Transcendence.  IN MY EXPERIENCE - my TM mantra has a
   distinctive property: empowered ENERGY, not shared by:
   
a. getting seed mantras from a book
b. other mantras received from other Traditions.
   
I'm just stating my experience; but ymmv.
Maybe your mantra has no empowered Shakti in it, and for that
 reason
   you believe people can save $ and get the mantras from a book.
   
Let's hear what some other people have to say.
To the others: Is YOUR TM mantra empowered, making it superior to
 a
   

[FairfieldLife] Re: Two cool photos...

2011-01-07 Thread raunchydog
Missed it. That's what I get for smoking my sox.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raviyogi2009 no_re...@... wrote:

 RD, My message was a pun on the Turqster.
 Spirituality is subjective, right brain thing too. Turqster is so
 traumatized by his wounds caused by his associations with false Gurus
 that he fails to realize the contradictions in his words. He has no
 problem relating his subjective experiences with the nature but reacts
 in a very negative and deceptive manner if someone does the same with
 their spiritual experiences - feel sorry for him really.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@
 wrote:
 
  Art *is* subjective. Just try to analyze Van Gogh or Monet and all
 you'll conclude is that one guy cut off an ear and the other guy didn't
 get out much.  See beauty with your heart. Either you feel it or you
 don't. It's a right brain thang.
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raviyogi2009 no_reply@ wrote:
  
   Please no subjective experiences, we need to clearly understand why
 we
   should enjoy these pictures.
   Explain clearly as to why we should enjoy these pictures in a 2 to 3
   paragraph essay. Please include
   1) Clear examples of at least 3 people who have had a noticeable
   difference in their life that would muster up to scientific inquiry
   after visiting these places. Everyone should include theri bios,
 medical
   history, X-Rays, CAT scans etc.2) These experiences shouldn't be
   subjective (what the fuck does enjoyable and magical mean anyway?)3)
 No
   one should be an authority, should not quote any poet, mystic,
 Gurus, no
   adjectives period..4) Anything else you deem necessary for us to
   clearly, methodically and logically analyze this.
  
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@
   wrote:
   
...passed along for your enjoyment.
   
The first is a composite: the same scene photographed every day
 for a
year, and then put together to present a kind of full-year
 timescape:
   
  [http://eirikso.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Allof2010.jpg]
http://eirikso.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Allof2010.jpg
http://eirikso.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Allof2010.jpg
   
The second strikes a real resonance with me because I've hiked
 Arches
National Park at night, and this photo is like deja vu. The Four
   Corners
area is one of the least populated areas of America, and magical
 as a
result:
   
  [http://i.imgur.com/JLcF3.jpg]
http://i.imgur.com/JLcF3.jpg http://i.imgur.com/JLcF3.jpg
   
  
 





[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-07 Thread Marcio
Raunchydog 

I practice TM-Sidhi daily for 20 years, I am grateful to MMY .. for I have 
learned to transecendental meditation, I agree with you .. transcendental 
meditation I love, my life changed for the better .. I only bow to the 
knowledge that I received ... but I want to learn more ... I looked at what you 
have learned many advanced techniques .. please I beg you to teach me these 
advanced techniques, it will be great for my life ... my email 
tmer1...@gmail.com.br 



[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers

2011-01-07 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:

 On Jan 7, 2011, at 9:41 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
  
   I would say that both the Patanjali tradition says that and the
   Buddhist traditions say that Awakened Mind can transform
   environments, indeed whole world systems.
 
  What would you say, Vaj, to the suggestion (not original
  with me) that ALL of the myths of the enlightened being
  able to positively transform the environment were invented
  to sucker people into paying for their lives so that they
  didn't have to work?
 
  I mean, there are no *testable* benefits to others of being
  enlightened. The only evidence we have to the contrary is
  dogma created by people who had a vested interest in people
  believing that the enlightenment of the monks they were
  supposed to support through their donations would somehow
  benefit them, the donors.
 
  Although I admit the possibility that the enlightened have
  a value for others (even though I have seen zero evidence
  of it), I can also see some validity to this suggestion.
  In a very real sense, it's like someone saying, You should
  pay for me to pursue my studies to become a master fly
  fisherman, because as we all know the superradiance
  pouring off of a master fly fisherman transforms the
  environment and benefits all sentient beings. :-)
 
 I'm very busy the next couple of days, so it might take me a 
 while to look into it. but I believe there is actual evidence 
 out there.

Cool. But I'm wondering, based on the paragraph 
below, whether you misunderstood what I was asking
about and interested in.

 One involves what's come to be called mirror neurons, which 
 are a way we each keep track internally within ourselves of 
 how others around us are, how their minds are. The other was 
 research on advanced meditators who then were put thru a 
 series of tests where their worldview was challenged by an 
 expert in arguing. In the expert meditators who had conquered 
 a lot of their negative emotions, it just rolled off them; 
 they were unaffected.

Both sound fascinating, but you seem to have missed
my point. The original thread was about the ME, and
whether the enlightened (or even butt-bouncers) can
positively affect their environments. Both of the
studies you mention above are about benefits for
the person claiming enlightenment or some kind of
spiritual advancement, not for anyone around them.

 And there are other, more anecdotal examples of an entire 
 country that learned to meditate and embrace awakening as 
 part of their lives. Not only did strife and war disappear, 
 but the healthcare system became an integrated model between 
 allopathic medicine, and Tibetan medicine (Ayurvedic and 
 Chinese medicine).

My suspicion is that these anecdotes cannot be 
found to have any basis in real history. :-)

 I don't know that change is necessarily non-physical, but 
 it is relational. People see other people who seem happy, 
 and want to know why.

As Curtis has pointed out, that is just a facet of
being human, and doesn't necessarily have anything
to do with either enlightenment or spiritual
progress. If you know of any studies that can
prove that someone claiming enlightenment had a
verifiable Woo Woo affect *on others*, I'd be 
interested in seeing it. So far, all I've ever
seen was anecdotal stuff presented by those who
had a vested interest in people believing it so
that they'd contribute to their lineage or cause.

I'm not saying that the enlightened have NO effect
on their environment, merely that I don't think 
there is a shred of proof that they do. It's a 
matter of belief.




[FairfieldLife] Re: Anandamayi Ma

2011-01-07 Thread Buck
Rory, nice compact words to this.
Is true and and my experience too
as to how it works in the
 neural-physiology of the light system subtle bodies.
(or said otherwise, as those human faculties of chakra fabric light bodies of 
the mental/emotional 
bodies.)  
Is the human 'turn the other cheek'
of Jesus spiritually. Nice writing, thanks.
-Buck  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff roryg...@... wrote:

 Hey, Jim! This may not be remotely relevant to you or anyone else at all, but 
 you encourage me to share again that in my own life I have found it is only 
 my own separatist, superior ego which reacts to the pool-pissing of 
 separatist, superior egos out there. In this respect, they are a bit like 
 tar-babies; engaging with separatist egos (and the pain-bodies they protect 
 and nourish) only feeds and endarkens and densifies all separatist egos, 
 including and especially my own, and intensifies my own pain-bodies; 
 with-holding my full Self-consciousness from them makes actually them less 
 and less conscious. 
 
 And so in this respect, they are also my greatest teachers, for they point 
 out the reactive areas in my own awareness which most need simple 
 presence-filled, loving awareness. This is the only way I have found to 
 enlighten us all and heal the pain -- with simple unconditional, loving 
 awareness, embracing the reactive pain whole-heartedly as it arises, until it 
 explodes into the love and light and laughter of just-me :-)
 
 Thanks for being here, and for doing all you do!
 
 *L*L*L*
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote:
 
  Ha-Ha! Dude, the expression regarding your behavior is, We don't swim in 
  your toilet, please don't piss in our pool. :-) 
  
teachers. Uber shakti as she glowed like a lightbulb.
   
(Some more TM memorabilia for the folks here).
   
   





[FairfieldLife] Big News from the Party Boat

2011-01-07 Thread docwhammo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=im3mIYcyezw

The fog is rolling in, the tide is high
Diane's as fat can be - aye, Captain, aye
The guests' seem more than pleased
How is the wine?
We shall be underway on the by and by

Ahead one third, 
ahead two thirds,
Full ahead, flank
And out from the belly of a whale came a prophet
Amen

Go shoot the moon, the sun, 
the great divide
I believe there's a storm a brewin'
Nine crows at nine o' clock nigh
Dutch man at the mizzenmast
Six harpies are singin to the lee
I believe she's going down
I believe we're gonna die, die, die

Fortune tellers make a killing nowadays
Me oh my,
Howdy Doody's past the house of Aquarius
Bring me more whisky and rye

(big news from the party boat)

Oh sir, do not distress, the food is fine
Oh, but I must confess
I do find the wine a wee bit dry

Fifteen men on a dead man's chest
Yo ho ho and a bottle of rye
Drink and the devil had done for the rest
She's sunk full fathom, five, five, five

Fortune tellers make a killing nowadays
Me oh my,
Howdy Doody's past the house of Aquarius
Bring me more whisky and rye

(Big news from the party boat)

senoj vyad fo rekcol eht ot nwod emoc
senob yrd, yrd meht, senob meht, senob meht



[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-07 Thread raunchydog


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1...@... wrote:

 Raunchydog 
 
 I practice TM-Sidhi daily for 20 years, I am grateful to MMY .. for I have 
 learned to transecendental meditation, I agree with you .. transcendental 
 meditation I love, my life changed for the better .. I only bow to the 
 knowledge that I received ... but I want to learn more ... I looked at what 
 you have learned many advanced techniques .. please I beg you to teach me 
 these advanced techniques, it will be great for my life ... my email 
 tmer1...@...


I don't have Maharishi's blessing to teach advanced techniques. I hope your 
fortunes change for the better. In the meantime, have a peaceful heart and be 
happy.



[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers

2011-01-07 Thread whynotnow7
I'm not saying that the enlightened have NO effect on their environment, 
merely that I don't think there is a shred of proof that they do. It's a matter 
of belief...

Hey turquoiseb, So you believe that the enlightened DO have an effect on their 
environment, which cannot be proven by evidence. Aside from their belief that 
it is only through TM this effect is reached, how are your beliefs different 
from what the TMO believes? Your thinking has changed 180 degrees on this 
during your brief absence.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB turquoi...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
 
  On Jan 7, 2011, at 9:41 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
   
I would say that both the Patanjali tradition says that and the
Buddhist traditions say that Awakened Mind can transform
environments, indeed whole world systems.
  
   What would you say, Vaj, to the suggestion (not original
   with me) that ALL of the myths of the enlightened being
   able to positively transform the environment were invented
   to sucker people into paying for their lives so that they
   didn't have to work?
  
   I mean, there are no *testable* benefits to others of being
   enlightened. The only evidence we have to the contrary is
   dogma created by people who had a vested interest in people
   believing that the enlightenment of the monks they were
   supposed to support through their donations would somehow
   benefit them, the donors.
  
   Although I admit the possibility that the enlightened have
   a value for others (even though I have seen zero evidence
   of it), I can also see some validity to this suggestion.
   In a very real sense, it's like someone saying, You should
   pay for me to pursue my studies to become a master fly
   fisherman, because as we all know the superradiance
   pouring off of a master fly fisherman transforms the
   environment and benefits all sentient beings. :-)
  
  I'm very busy the next couple of days, so it might take me a 
  while to look into it. but I believe there is actual evidence 
  out there.
 
 Cool. But I'm wondering, based on the paragraph 
 below, whether you misunderstood what I was asking
 about and interested in.
 
  One involves what's come to be called mirror neurons, which 
  are a way we each keep track internally within ourselves of 
  how others around us are, how their minds are. The other was 
  research on advanced meditators who then were put thru a 
  series of tests where their worldview was challenged by an 
  expert in arguing. In the expert meditators who had conquered 
  a lot of their negative emotions, it just rolled off them; 
  they were unaffected.
 
 Both sound fascinating, but you seem to have missed
 my point. The original thread was about the ME, and
 whether the enlightened (or even butt-bouncers) can
 positively affect their environments. Both of the
 studies you mention above are about benefits for
 the person claiming enlightenment or some kind of
 spiritual advancement, not for anyone around them.
 
  And there are other, more anecdotal examples of an entire 
  country that learned to meditate and embrace awakening as 
  part of their lives. Not only did strife and war disappear, 
  but the healthcare system became an integrated model between 
  allopathic medicine, and Tibetan medicine (Ayurvedic and 
  Chinese medicine).
 
 My suspicion is that these anecdotes cannot be 
 found to have any basis in real history. :-)
 
  I don't know that change is necessarily non-physical, but 
  it is relational. People see other people who seem happy, 
  and want to know why.
 
 As Curtis has pointed out, that is just a facet of
 being human, and doesn't necessarily have anything
 to do with either enlightenment or spiritual
 progress. If you know of any studies that can
 prove that someone claiming enlightenment had a
 verifiable Woo Woo affect *on others*, I'd be 
 interested in seeing it. So far, all I've ever
 seen was anecdotal stuff presented by those who
 had a vested interest in people believing it so
 that they'd contribute to their lineage or cause.
 
 I'm not saying that the enlightened have NO effect
 on their environment, merely that I don't think 
 there is a shred of proof that they do. It's a 
 matter of belief.





[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-07 Thread WillyTex


  According to at least three FFL pundits, that's
  all you need to do. Vaj listed all the bijas and
  Barry2 said they were all in books...
 
cardemaister:
 Hmmm...how can you guarantee, that a native speaker of,
 say, English, gets the correct pronunciation of a biija-
 mantra from a Latin transliteration of it? :-)

The pronunciation of the bija is apparently not an 
important factor, since the bija is not a word or a sound, 
but a thought-instant. Are you thinking that there is kind 
of magical element to a mechanical technique - a 'ghost' 
in the machine?

But, the real question is, why did these TM Teachers post
the TM bija mantras on the internet if they are unsuitable 
for spiritual usage? The TM bijas were posted by John 
Knapp, and then re-posted by Vaj and the dorkflex. 

Do you think these characters were attempting to impede
our spiritual progress by posting the secret TM mantras
on the internet? 

If so, maybe they should be banned from posting on this 
forum. Or, maybe they would like to explain their motives
for revealing the TM bija mantras.



[FairfieldLife] Re: Big News from the Party Boat

2011-01-07 Thread cardemaister

 
 senoj vyad fo rekcol eht ot nwod emoc
 senob yrd, yrd meht, senob meht, senob meht


Ni talar bra latin (ye speaketh good Latin)!



[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-07 Thread WillyTex


  According to at least three FFL pundits, that's
  all you need to do. Vaj listed all the bijas and
  Barry2 said they were all in books...
 
Vaj:
 I don't recommend people getting mantras from books 
 for meditation practice...

So, you must have posted the link to the TM bijas on 
FFL for a reason. Was it an attempt to 'poison the 
well' or what? If you don't recommend getting mantras 
from books, why did you buy the book in the first place
and get the mantras?

Maybe you posted them because you're not a spiritual 
teacher at all. Or, maybe you thought it was a clever 
thing to do, to indicate that you are a spiritual 
elite. 

In the past, you posted messages accusing MMY of 
murdering SBS. Is this a forum for attack messages or 
are you just playing games with our souls? Maybe you 
have a lot of explaining to do. 

William seems to be onto you, so maybe it's time for 
you to take a long sabbatical from posting, ponder your 
actions, then in a year or two, maybe you could return 
here to post like an adept, or at least like a scholar.
At present you seem to be neither. 

Or, maybe you have some other explanation. But, in over 
ten years of reading your posts, you have failed to 
explain very much about the mechanics of consciousness. 

Go figure.



[FairfieldLife] Re: Anandamayi Ma

2011-01-07 Thread RoryGoff
Well said, Doug; many thanks! 

As you note, it is indeed the art and science of chakra-laundering -- making 
our garments white as snow (thus to reflect Life's full rainbow) -- to which I 
referred in the post below :-)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony...@... wrote:

 Rory, nice compact words to this.
 Is true and and my experience too
 as to how it works in the
  neural-physiology of the light system subtle bodies.
 (or said otherwise, as those human faculties of chakra fabric light bodies of 
 the mental/emotional 
 bodies.)  
 Is the human 'turn the other cheek'
 of Jesus spiritually. Nice writing, thanks.
 -Buck  
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote:
 
  Hey, Jim! This may not be remotely relevant to you or anyone else at all, 
  but you encourage me to share again that in my own life I have found it is 
  only my own separatist, superior ego which reacts to the pool-pissing of 
  separatist, superior egos out there. In this respect, they are a bit like 
  tar-babies; engaging with separatist egos (and the pain-bodies they protect 
  and nourish) only feeds and endarkens and densifies all separatist egos, 
  including and especially my own, and intensifies my own pain-bodies; 
  with-holding my full Self-consciousness from them makes actually them less 
  and less conscious. 
  
  And so in this respect, they are also my greatest teachers, for they point 
  out the reactive areas in my own awareness which most need simple 
  presence-filled, loving awareness. This is the only way I have found to 
  enlighten us all and heal the pain -- with simple unconditional, loving 
  awareness, embracing the reactive pain whole-heartedly as it arises, until 
  it explodes into the love and light and laughter of just-me :-)
  
  Thanks for being here, and for doing all you do!
  
  *L*L*L*
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote:
  
   Ha-Ha! Dude, the expression regarding your behavior is, We don't swim in 
   your toilet, please don't piss in our pool. :-) 
   
 teachers. Uber shakti as she glowed like a lightbulb.

 (Some more TM memorabilia for the folks here).

   





[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-07 Thread WillyTex

emptybill:
 So if you are leaping and bounding at your heart
 chakra then you must not be able to break free of
 this body coffin...

The chakras are not the physical body; they are the
constituent turnings of the subtle, transcendental
body. Bija mantras are 'thought-instants', not words
with semantic meanings. It's all about energy and
the transference of subtle energies.


Each chakra in your spinal column is believed to
influence or even govern bodily functions near its
region of the spine. Because autopsies do not reveal
chakras, most people think they are a fancy of fertile
imagination. Yet their existence is well documented
in the traditions of the far east. - Susan Shumsky

http://www.divinerevelation.org/Author.html
http://www.divinerevelation.org/Author.html


Read more:


 
http://www.amazon.com/Susan-G.-Shumsky/e/B000APC378/ref=ntt_dp_epwbk_0

'Exploring Chakras'
Awaken Your Untapped Energy
By Susan G. Shumsky
New Page Books, 2003



[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-07 Thread RoryGoff
Thanks, Jim! 

Right, this yagya works upon the simple Understanding that we take full 
responsibility for this timeless Now, our awareness-field of creation. By 
contrast to the eternal perfection of Now, the time-bound Ego or resistant 
desire-particle is revealed by its dissonance, dissatisfaction or disoontent: a 
signal to Us that it is dinner-time and there is More of Us to Love :-)

Agreed, the deity does not appear to be static, as it is the future-self 
reflection (across the Now-point of Us) of the past-self 
remnant-of-desire...in other words, the deity IS or shall be that which the 
desire-particle most longs to be. 

Put another way, the deity is simply US as viewed by the particle, an US which 
the Ego-bound desire-particle does not yet consider itself to be, as we have in 
a sense unconsciously rejected it (ourself) until Now. As the past-self 
particle is an imbalance rejecting the Now, the deity is the particle's equal 
and opposite future-self imbalance. And as WE created the desire-particle out 
of Us, all the desire-particle has to do is back up again and surrender into 
US, once it grasps that attention-cord of our unconditional Love and 
willingness to be it, Now. 

That backing-up attention-cord from future-US is the creator of the DNA 
ascension-column of liquid fire, and is the core technology behind the TM 
initiation. Or so it appears to me, anyhow :-)

*L*L*L*

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotn...@... wrote:

 Thanks Rory. My responses to your responses below:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote:
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote:
   As for devotion, someone said that in the midst of unity duality is 
  created for the enjoyment of experiencing devotion. That pretty well sums 
  it up for me.
   
I don't know whether God is real to me. The term God is pretty 
amorphous anyway, similar to discussions about what enlightenment 
means. So I tend to focus on one deity at a time - lol. Are they real? 
I don't know. They feel like it to me. On the other hand, perhaps they 
are wholly created imaginings of mine, solely created for me to 
experience and enjoy humility, thankfulness, gratitude,
  unconditional love, etc. Who knows?
  
  Nicely put, Jim. For me, this was the way beyond the rudderlessness of 
  That-alone-is -- 
  (1) take full responsibility for my creation as it is in this moment,
 
 ** That finally seems intuitively obvious to me - lol. This is more like an 
 operating principle vs. a localized action, though frequent reminders to 
 myself don't hurt :-)
 
  (
  2) find the outstanding remnant-of-desire which is unhappy with my creation 
  in this moment, 
 
 ** I never thought of it before but prayer, or more specifically willful and 
 pure attunement to a deity, could be seen as a response to an inner need, a 
 desire to enlarge my container of consciousness in order to eventually find a 
 solution to the unhappy remnant of desire. Not through control, but through 
 expansion aka getting out of my own way - lol
 
  (3)create a deity to meet the needs of that desire, 
 
 ** This process is something like humming a tune I really like and then 
 having a song that closely matches that come into my awareness. Nothing 
 static as both my vibration and the resonance with the deity change as I 
 change - In other words the deity is not always the same one. 
 
  (4)surrender in all honesty to the intense attention-flow, love-flow, and 
  devotion-flow between particle-me and the newly-incarnate deity-me (now far 
  more than just my creation), to achieve that desire.  
 
 **Yes, the satisfaction of that desire is not always immediate, though the 
 inner adjustment may be.
  
  (5)This attention-flow flushes out and brings into full awareness the 
  ancient programs or particles (primarily of undeservingness) in the 
  body-mind which had been creating the old status-quo reality. Once brought 
  to full awareness, they are no longer believed, and 
  
  (6) the new reality is embodied and experienced.
  
  An old friend of mine recently had an Aha about this process, and 
  described it as yagya! I would agree with that.
 
 **Me too. 
 





[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-07 Thread whynotnow7
Put another way, the deity is simply US as viewed by the particle, an US which 
the Ego-bound desire-particle does not yet consider itself to be, as we have in 
a sense unconsciously rejected it (ourself) until Now.

Hi Rory - It is quite a fascinating paradox from my perspective. On the one 
hand, each of us is made up of the same stuff as anything else, indivisible 
from any other manifestation, including Vishnu, for example. On the other, the 
only way we can apprehend and fully enjoy any other manifestation is through 
recognizing our separation from it, even though that may be a loving separation 
full of gratitude, recognition and humility.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff roryg...@... wrote:

 Thanks, Jim! 
 
 Right, this yagya works upon the simple Understanding that we take full 
 responsibility for this timeless Now, our awareness-field of creation. By 
 contrast to the eternal perfection of Now, the time-bound Ego or resistant 
 desire-particle is revealed by its dissonance, dissatisfaction or disoontent: 
 a signal to Us that it is dinner-time and there is More of Us to Love :-)
 
 Agreed, the deity does not appear to be static, as it is the future-self 
 reflection (across the Now-point of Us) of the past-self 
 remnant-of-desire...in other words, the deity IS or shall be that which the 
 desire-particle most longs to be. 
 
 Put another way, the deity is simply US as viewed by the particle, an US 
 which the Ego-bound desire-particle does not yet consider itself to be, as we 
 have in a sense unconsciously rejected it (ourself) until Now. As the 
 past-self particle is an imbalance rejecting the Now, the deity is the 
 particle's equal and opposite future-self imbalance. And as WE created the 
 desire-particle out of Us, all the desire-particle has to do is back up 
 again and surrender into US, once it grasps that attention-cord of our 
 unconditional Love and willingness to be it, Now. 
 
 That backing-up attention-cord from future-US is the creator of the DNA 
 ascension-column of liquid fire, and is the core technology behind the TM 
 initiation. Or so it appears to me, anyhow :-)
 
 *L*L*L*
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote:
 
  Thanks Rory. My responses to your responses below:
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote:
  
   
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote:
As for devotion, someone said that in the midst of unity duality is 
   created for the enjoyment of experiencing devotion. That pretty well sums 
   it up for me.

 I don't know whether God is real to me. The term God is pretty 
 amorphous anyway, similar to discussions about what enlightenment 
 means. So I tend to focus on one deity at a time - lol. Are they 
 real? I don't know. They feel like it to me. On the other hand, 
 perhaps they are wholly created imaginings of mine, solely created 
 for me to experience and enjoy humility, thankfulness, gratitude,
   unconditional love, etc. Who knows?
   
   Nicely put, Jim. For me, this was the way beyond the rudderlessness of 
   That-alone-is -- 
   (1) take full responsibility for my creation as it is in this moment,
  
  ** That finally seems intuitively obvious to me - lol. This is more like an 
  operating principle vs. a localized action, though frequent reminders to 
  myself don't hurt :-)
  
   (
   2) find the outstanding remnant-of-desire which is unhappy with my 
   creation in this moment, 
  
  ** I never thought of it before but prayer, or more specifically willful 
  and pure attunement to a deity, could be seen as a response to an inner 
  need, a desire to enlarge my container of consciousness in order to 
  eventually find a solution to the unhappy remnant of desire. Not through 
  control, but through expansion aka getting out of my own way - lol
  
   (3)create a deity to meet the needs of that desire, 
  
  ** This process is something like humming a tune I really like and then 
  having a song that closely matches that come into my awareness. Nothing 
  static as both my vibration and the resonance with the deity change as I 
  change - In other words the deity is not always the same one. 
  
   (4)surrender in all honesty to the intense attention-flow, love-flow, and 
   devotion-flow between particle-me and the newly-incarnate deity-me (now 
   far more than just my creation), to achieve that desire.  
  
  **Yes, the satisfaction of that desire is not always immediate, though the 
  inner adjustment may be.
   
   (5)This attention-flow flushes out and brings into full awareness the 
   ancient programs or particles (primarily of undeservingness) in the 
   body-mind which had been creating the old status-quo reality. Once 
   brought to full awareness, they are no longer believed, and 
   
   (6) the new reality is embodied and experienced.
   
   An old friend of mine recently had an Aha about this 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Big News from the Party Boat

2011-01-07 Thread PaliGap



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_re...@... wrote:

  senoj vyad fo rekcol eht ot nwod emoc
  senob yrd, yrd meht, senob meht, senob meht

 Ni talar bra latin (ye speaketh good Latin)!


Hey, Card...

why isn't that Du talar bra latin? 
(Jag kan lite dalig svenska)

PS Vad tycker du om Wallander pa TV? Valdigt bra! (och
jag lar mig bra svar ord som fy fan)

Is it true that fy fan is about the rudest thing
you can say in Swedish? I think I was told it means
devil under the earth or some such. 

In English the rudest words are sexual of course.
(and us Brits are shocked - shocked! - by the US casual
use of the f*** word. There, I can't even type it!).

But if you're looking for easy ways to offend your
Swedish dinner party host, I believe the best bet is to
go for religious expletives (e.g. gavle - devil), no? 



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers

2011-01-07 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Jan 7, 2011, at 8:41 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:

 What would you say, Vaj, to the suggestion (not original
 with me) that ALL of the myths of the enlightened being
 able to positively transform the environment were invented
 to sucker people into paying for their lives so that they
 didn't have to work?

As Curtis pointed out a while back, it wouldn't surprise me if
that were the basis of most of religion.

Sal



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-07 Thread Vaj


On Jan 7, 2011, at 10:36 AM, Marcio wrote:


Raunchydog

I practice TM-Sidhi daily for 20 years, I am grateful to MMY .. for  
I have learned to transecendental meditation, I agree with you ..  
transcendental meditation I love, my life changed for the better ..  
I only bow to the knowledge that I received ... but I want to learn  
more ... I looked at what you have learned many advanced  
techniques .. please I beg you to teach me these advanced  
techniques, it will be great for my life ... my email  
tmer1...@gmail.com.br



Come on RD, cough up the goods. Where's your compassion?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-07 Thread Vaj


On Jan 7, 2011, at 11:51 AM, WillyTex wrote:


Or, maybe you have some other explanation. But, in over
ten years of reading your posts, you have failed to
explain very much about the mechanics of consciousness.



Maybe that's because consciousness isn't mechanical you idiot.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers

2011-01-07 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote:

 On Jan 7, 2011, at 8:41 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
 
  What would you say, Vaj, to the suggestion (not original
  with me) that ALL of the myths of the enlightened being
  able to positively transform the environment were invented
  to sucker people into paying for their lives so that they
  didn't have to work?
 
 As Curtis pointed out a while back, it wouldn't surprise me if
 that were the basis of most of religion.

It's certainly a legitimate way of viewing the
history of religion and spiritual practice. Not 
the only way, but a legitimate way. 

And as I said, this idea is hardly original with
me. You'd hear it in Sociology or Anthropology 101.




[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers

2011-01-07 Thread jpgillam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:

 
 On Jan 6, 2011, at 6:02 PM, jpgillam wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
  
  
   On Jan 6, 2011, at 11:45 AM, jpgillam wrote:
  
How about Maharishi's notion that simply transcending
enlivens the transcendent for people in the vicinity? Any
recognition of that idea in your tradition?
  
   As I pointed out before, IMO the Maharishi's claim, based on his  
  connecting TM with a verse from Patanjali, are simply not real-- 
  even if it is (or was) nice to meditate in groups. I do not believe  
  TM, in general, establishes ahimsa in ones consciousness or in  
  one's environment.
 
  You're saying TM does not work as advertised, and
  I get that; thanks. I'm asking something different,
  though. Let me use your terms: Does your
  tradition teach that transcending establishes
  ahimsa in one's environment?
 
  Feel free to substitute transcending with the
  proper word, if one better applies.
 
  Thanks.
 
 
 I would say that both the Patanjali tradition says that and the  
 Buddhist traditions say that Awakened Mind can transform  
 environments, indeed whole world systems.

Thanks. Now let's hope that lots of people are awakening, 
and we enjoy something of a snowball effect.



[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-07 Thread sparaig


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:

 
 On Jan 7, 2011, at 11:51 AM, WillyTex wrote:
 
  Or, maybe you have some other explanation. But, in over
  ten years of reading your posts, you have failed to
  explain very much about the mechanics of consciousness.
 
 
 Maybe that's because consciousness isn't mechanical you idiot.


Neither is Quantum Mechanics, Statistical Mechanics, and various other 
disciplines of study with the term Mechanics in the title.

L.



[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-07 Thread sparaig


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:

 
 On Jan 6, 2011, at 4:19 PM, WillyTex wrote:
 
  yifuxero:
   Richard: I don't quite understand your point.
   Are you suggesting that one should get the
   bija mantras from a book and not get an
   empowered mantra through Initiation?
  
  According to at least three FFL pundits, that's
  all you need to do. Vaj listed all the bijas and
  Barry2 said they were all in books. What would
  be the benefit of giving Bevan Morris $2,500 for
  a single nonsense syllable to put before and after
  his TM bija? Everyone knows Bevan has about zero
  'Shakti' power. You're not making any sense.
 
 
   I don't recommend people getting mantras from books for meditation  
 practice. But I don't recommend people paying exorbitant prices either.


Currently, the David Lynch Foundation is calling for funding for $50K/year for 
TM teachers to work with 100 at-risk homeless women per teacher. That works out 
to $500 per person per year. Is that really exorbitant?


Lawson



[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-07 Thread sparaig


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:

 
 On Jan 6, 2011, at 3:25 PM, Marcio wrote:
 
 
  how do you explain this? or you withdrew from your own mind?
 
 
 Marcio, it's usually pretty easy to find someone who will give you  
 your entire TM devata mantra, which will improve and deepen your  
 transcending. Often they charge nothing or a donation. Amma used to  
 be a popular one in this area. I don't know if she visits where you  
 live.


Actually, I never heard MMY or any advanced technique teacher claim that 
advanced techniques improve/deepen transcending.

In fact, sorta the opposite.

Lawson



[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-07 Thread sparaig


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1...@... wrote:

 very good, thanks ... one doubts,;; bija when it comes to my mind in the 
 heart chkar I repeat it as Aing Aing  .. .. Aing or just keep it in my 
 mind subtly subtly until I forget the bija naturally and effortlessly ..?
 
 
 then .. Aing, Aing, Aing, repeat or remember only the bija subtly until I 
 forget
 

I would never consider practicing any 
extension/modification/enhancement/whatever of TM (or any other mental 
technique for that matter) that I learned by reading a forum on the internet.

I would suggest you don't either.


Lawson



[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers

2011-01-07 Thread sparaig


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB turquoi...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote:
 
  On Jan 7, 2011, at 8:41 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
  
   What would you say, Vaj, to the suggestion (not original
   with me) that ALL of the myths of the enlightened being
   able to positively transform the environment were invented
   to sucker people into paying for their lives so that they
   didn't have to work?
  
  As Curtis pointed out a while back, it wouldn't surprise me if
  that were the basis of most of religion.
 
 It's certainly a legitimate way of viewing the
 history of religion and spiritual practice. Not 
 the only way, but a legitimate way. 
 
 And as I said, this idea is hardly original with
 me. You'd hear it in Sociology or Anthropology 101.


Not sure if legitimate is the term you mean to use. Logical? Sensible? 
Understandable?

Legitimate makes it sound, well, legitimate. I guess maybe in the sense of 
accepted practice.

Lawson




Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-07 Thread Peter


--- On Fri, 1/7/11, sparaig lengli...@cox.net wrote:

 From: sparaig lengli...@cox.net
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Friday, January 7, 2011, 1:26 PM
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
 Marcio tmer1...@... wrote:
 
  very good, thanks ... one doubts,;; bija when it comes
 to my mind in the heart chkar I repeat it as Aing Aing 
 .. .. Aing or just keep it in my mind subtly subtly until I
 forget the bija naturally and effortlessly ..?
  
  
  then .. Aing, Aing, Aing, repeat or remember only the
 bija subtly until I forget
  
 
 I would never consider practicing any
 extension/modification/enhancement/whatever of TM (or any
 other mental technique for that matter) that I learned by
 reading a forum on the internet.
 
 I would suggest you don't either.

I second this. Marco, you can't learn to meditate properly without some 
personal instruction. Already you are confused. It just won't work for you. A 
description of how to meditate is not the same as the prescription of how to 
do it. 



 
 
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[FairfieldLife] GLOBAL PUJA TODAY and10 January celebration

2011-01-07 Thread merlin



Global Puja to Guru Dev to mark the end of Silence today, 7 January
Global celebration of birthday of Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam, 10 January 

Global Puja to Guru Dev to mark the end of Silence today
You are warmly invited to join in the global Puja to Guru Dev today, 7 January, 
at 8:30pm Meru time (CET), to mark the end of Maharishi’s traditional period of 
Silence. The event will be broadcast on the Maharishi Channel (Channel 3 at 
http://www.maharishichannel.in/) and all are invited to join in. Rashtriya 
Gita will start at 8.15 pm Meru time.

Invitation to the Global Celebration of the Birthday of Maharaja Adhiraj 
Rajaraam on 10 January 2011
You are also warmly invited to join the celebration of the auspicious birthday 
of Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam on the 10 January. This will be a global 
celebration from both the Brahmasthan of India and the Brahmasthan of 
Maharishi's Peace Palace in MERU, both broadcast in their entirety on the 
Maharishi Channel.  
 
The celebration will be in two parts: 
 
The first part will begin at 2:00pm India time, 9:30am in Holland —it will be a 
special MahaRudrabhishek to be performed by 121 senior Vedic Pandits at the 
Brahmasthan of India.    

The second part will begin at 5:40pm India time, 1:10pm in Holland and 7:10am 
in New York —it will include Guru Puja, and special recitations from the Vedic 
Pandits at the Brahmasthan of India, including the auspicious blessings from 
the 40 aspects of the Veda and Vedic literature (recitation time will be about 
1 hour). There will also be some special celebratory events of the day. 

With all best wishes for great bliss and success in Maharishi’s Fourth Year of 
Invincibility—Global Raam Raj
  




[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers

2011-01-07 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig lengli...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote:
  
   On Jan 7, 2011, at 8:41 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
   
What would you say, Vaj, to the suggestion (not original
with me) that ALL of the myths of the enlightened being
able to positively transform the environment were invented
to sucker people into paying for their lives so that they
didn't have to work?
   
   As Curtis pointed out a while back, it wouldn't surprise me if
   that were the basis of most of religion.
  
  It's certainly a legitimate way of viewing the
  history of religion and spiritual practice. Not 
  the only way, but a legitimate way. 
  
  And as I said, this idea is hardly original with
  me. You'd hear it in Sociology or Anthropology 101.
 
 Not sure if legitimate is the term you mean to use. Logical? 
 Sensible? Understandable?
 
 Legitimate makes it sound, well, legitimate. 

Exactly.





Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-07 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Jan 7, 2011, at 12:43 PM, Peter wrote:

 --- On Fri, 1/7/11, sparaig lengli...@cox.net wrote:
 
 From: sparaig lengli...@cox.net
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Friday, January 7, 2011, 1:26 PM
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
 Marcio tmer1...@... wrote:
 
 very good, thanks ... one doubts,;; bija when it comes
 to my mind in the heart chkar I repeat it as Aing Aing 
 .. .. Aing or just keep it in my mind subtly subtly until I
 forget the bija naturally and effortlessly ..?
 
 
 then .. Aing, Aing, Aing, repeat or remember only the
 bija subtly until I forget
 
 
 I would never consider practicing any
 extension/modification/enhancement/whatever of TM (or any
 other mental technique for that matter) that I learned by
 reading a forum on the internet.
 
 I would suggest you don't either.
 
 I second this. Marco, you can't learn to meditate properly without some 
 personal instruction. Already you are confused. It just won't work for you. A 
 description of how to meditate is not the same as the prescription of how 
 to do it. 

I third this.  And, Marcio, I would like to add:  it has been 
scientifically *proven*  (in peer-reviewed journals  no less) 
that with TM (and that's TM™ don't forget) techniques~~
that unless you are willing
to spend $2500 per technique, and try to get around
that requirement by going to some renegade, OTP,
unlicensed (or whatever they call it) TM
(TM™) teacher,~~that there is a very real possibility
your head may explode the minute you try out said
techniques. :)  Remember the Pinto, Ford's little
present to the American public, the car that would
explode on contact?  That's you, my friend, if you're
not willing to ante up the whole fresh. You've been forewarned.

Sal





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[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-07 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote:

 On Jan 7, 2011, at 12:43 PM, Peter wrote:
 
  --- On Fri, 1/7/11, sparaig lengli...@... wrote:
  
   I would never consider practicing any
   extension/modification/enhancement/whatever of TM (or any
   other mental technique for that matter) that I learned by
   reading a forum on the internet.
   
   I would suggest you don't either.
  
  I second this. Marco, you can't learn to meditate properly 
  without some personal instruction. Already you are confused. 
  It just won't work for you. A description of how to meditate 
  is not the same as the prescription of how to do it. 
 
 I third this.  And, Marcio, I would like to add:  it has been 
 scientifically *proven*  (in peer-reviewed journals  no less) 
 that with TM (and that's TM™ don't forget) techniques~~
 that unless you are willing
 to spend $2500 per technique, and try to get around
 that requirement by going to some renegade, OTP,
 unlicensed (or whatever they call it) TM
 (TM™) teacher,~~that there is a very real possibility
 your head may explode the minute you try out said
 techniques. :)  Remember the Pinto, Ford's little
 present to the American public, the car that would
 explode on contact?  That's you, my friend, if you're
 not willing to ante up the whole fresh. You've been forewarned.

Feeling compelled to present the Devil's Advocate
position here...even though your head may explode,
your dick may grow to enormous proportions, making
you a Very Popular Boy in your 'hood, wherever 
that may be. Ya makes yer choices and ya takes
yer chances...

:-)

Just joking, Marcio. Do whatever your intuition
tells you to do. 




[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-07 Thread WillyTex


  Aing, Aing, Aing, repeat or remember 
  only the bija subtly until I forget...
  
sparaig:
 I would never consider practicing any 
 extension...
 
Are you seriously suggesting that the only 
way to get a 'sri' extension for his TM 
mantra is to pay someone $2,500, when
everyone knows that the word 'sri' is a 
common Hindi word found in everyday Indian
conversation and in any Sanskrit dictionary? 

This is just outrageous!



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Republican Cry Babies

2011-01-07 Thread Bhairitu
On 01/06/2011 10:22 PM, raunchydog wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozg...@...  wrote:
 Just uploaded my latest video to YouTube.  Here it is:
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_Ed6SlrUYQ


 Issa-Boner. What a pair. Very Funny.


Glad you enjoyed it.  I wish it would go viral but most of the ones that 
do are things like here's my little brother picking his nose.  Says a 
lot about the critters that live amongst us in society.  At least I 
pissed off one Republican (who was unaware of the study).




[FairfieldLife] US government strategy to prevent leaks leaded to MSNBC

2011-01-07 Thread Tom Pall
Note the part these steps include figuring out which employees might be
most inclined to leak classified documents, by using psychiatrists and
sociologists to assess their trustworthiness doesn't mention psychologists.


http://www.techspot.com/news/41889-leaked-us-government-strategy-to-prevent-leaks.html

The US government's 11-page document on how to get various US government
agencies to prevent future leaks has been leaked to
MSNBChttp://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/OMB_Wiki_memo.pdf.
It doesn't get any more ironic than that. After the various leaks made by
WikiLeaks, the US government understandably wants to limit the number of
potential leaks, but their strategy apparently isn't implemented yet. Here's
the crux of the memo, which was sent this week to senior officials at all
agencies that use classified material:

Each initial assessment should be completed by January 28, 2011, and should
include the following with respect to the attached list of self-assessment
questions:

   1. Assess what your agency has done or plans to do to address any
   perceived vulnerabilities, weaknesses, or gaps on automated systems in the
   post-WikiLeaks environment.
   2. Assess weakness or gaps with respect to the attached list of
   questions, and formulate plans to resolve the issues or to shift or acquire
   resources to address those weaknesses or gaps.
   3. Assess your agency's plans for changes and upgrades to current
   classified networks, systems, applications, databases, websites, and online
   collaboration environments ­ as well as for all new classified networks,
   systems, applications, databases, websites or online collaboration
   environments that are in the planning, implementation, or testing phases -
   in terms of the completeness and projected effectiveness of all types of
   security controls called for by applicable law and guidance (including but
   limited to those issued by the National Security Staff, the Committee on
   National Security Systems, the National Institute for Standards and
   Technology).
   4. Assess all security, counterintelligence, and information assurance
   policy and regulatory documents that have been established by and for your
   department or agency.

 It's clear that the Obama administration is telling federal agencies to
take aggressive steps to prevent further leaks. According to the document,
these steps include figuring out which employees might be most inclined to
leak classified documents, by using psychiatrists and sociologists to assess
their trustworthiness. The memo also suggests that agencies require all
their employees to report any contacts with members of the news media they
may have.


[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-07 Thread Marcio

and his son, his daughter, his father. his sister .. a close friend ... .. ask 
to teach you the techniques for them, you ask 2500? you will collect money from 
their children?

you are selfish ... you have no compassion .. you are part of the people who do 
not care about the suffering of the world, you're insensitive ...


open your hea, you'll feel better .. and does not cover money from his children 
or his wife .. if they want the techniques aprendr ok?


you'll feel better
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote:
 
  Raunchydog 
  
  I practice TM-Sidhi daily for 20 years, I am grateful to MMY .. for I have 
  learned to transecendental meditation, I agree with you .. transcendental 
  meditation I love, my life changed for the better .. I only bow to the 
  knowledge that I received ... but I want to learn more ... I looked at what 
  you have learned many advanced techniques .. please I beg you to teach me 
  these advanced techniques, it will be great for my life ... my email 
  tmer1306@
 
 
 I don't have Maharishi's blessing to teach advanced techniques. I hope your 
 fortunes change for the better. In the meantime, have a peaceful heart and be 
 happy.





[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-07 Thread Marcio


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1...@... wrote:

 
 and his son, his daughter, his father. his sister .. a close friend ... .. 
 ask to teach you the techniques for them, you ask 2500? you will collect 
 money from their children?
 
 you are selfish ... you have no compassion .. you are part of the people who 
 do not care about the suffering of the world, you're insensitive ...
 
 
 open your heart, you'll feel better .. and does not cover money from his 
 children or his wife .. if they want the techniques aprendr ok?
 
 
 you'll feel better
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote:
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote:
  
   Raunchydog 
   
   I practice TM-Sidhi daily for 20 years, I am grateful to MMY .. for I 
   have learned to transecendental meditation, I agree with you .. 
   transcendental meditation I love, my life changed for the better .. I 
   only bow to the knowledge that I received ... but I want to learn more 
   ... I looked at what you have learned many advanced techniques .. please 
   I beg you to teach me these advanced techniques, it will be great for my 
   life ... my email tmer1306@
  
  
  I don't have Maharishi's blessing to teach advanced techniques. I hope your 
  fortunes change for the better. In the meantime, have a peaceful heart and 
  be happy.
 





[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-07 Thread Marcio



 
 and his son, his daughter, his father. his sister .. a close friend ... .. 
 ask to teach you the techniques for them, you ask 2500? you will collect 
 money from their children?
 
 you are selfish ... you have no compassion .. you are part of the people who 
 do not care about the suffering of the world, you're insensitive ...
 
 
 open your heart, you'll feel better .. and does not cover money from his 
 children or his wife .. if they want the techniques aprendr ok?
 
 
 you'll feel better

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote:
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote:
  
   Raunchydog 
   
   I practice TM-Sidhi daily for 20 years, I am grateful to MMY .. for I 
   have learned to transecendental meditation, I agree with you .. 
   transcendental meditation I love, my life changed for the better .. I 
   only bow to the knowledge that I received ... but I want to learn more 
   ... I looked at what you have learned many advanced techniques .. please 
   I beg you to teach me these advanced techniques, it will be great for my 
   life ... my email tmer1306@
  
  
  I don't have Maharishi's blessing to teach advanced techniques. I hope your 
  fortunes change for the better. In the meantime, have a peaceful heart and 
  be happy.
 





[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-07 Thread WillyTex
  Or, maybe you have some other explanation. But, in over
  ten years of reading your posts, you have failed to
  explain very much about the mechanics of consciousness.
 
Vaj:
 Maybe that's because consciousness isn't mechanical you 
 idiot.

So, you paid thousands of dollars to the TMO to get common,
everyday words found in any Hindi dictionary for free, and 
you spent years and years taking courses to learn how to 
sleep while sitting on your butt, but I'm the 'idiot'. 

Go figure.



[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers

2011-01-07 Thread Buck



 I'm not saying that the enlightened have NO effect on their environment, 
 merely that I don't think there is a shred of proof that they do. It's a 
 matter of belief...


No, it is a matter of experience.  Sit with it some more. You'll see.  Science 
is getting closer too.  These are amazing times.





[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-07 Thread wayback71


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote:

to Vaj:
 So, you paid thousands of dollars to the TMO to get common,
 everyday words found in any Hindi dictionary for free, and 
 you spent years and years taking courses to learn how to 
 sleep while sitting on your butt, 

Willy, people who did this (does that include you?) are not idiots.  They were 
young and hopeful and many got and stlll get lots out of TM.  OTH, You could 
make a case for these idiots being victims of a corrupt organization.  No one 
went in to learning TM and all the extras that cost so much with bad 
intentions, or with anything other than a sincere desire to improve their own 
life.

I honestly dont't know whether you or Vaj ever learned TM or the siddhis.

 Go figure.





[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-07 Thread yifuxero
http://www.fantasygallery.net/hescox/art_5_his-majesty.html

Marcio:  Just preface Aing Namah with Sri.
But you need more Shakti. Access SYDA.org and bring up store/media and send 
away for the GURU GITA chanting tape. Very powerful!
...
Then get some audio CD's of Pundits from Ramana Maharshi's Ashram chanting the 
RUDRAM, the most powerful Shiva chant along with the GURU GITA.  It's part of 
evening Parayana.
...
The RUDRAM has two parts: obeisances to Shiva - giving to Him our devotion, 
and another part asking from Shiva various boons. This chant is part of the 
Rudra-Abhishekam ritual performed by MMY's Pundits.
...
While I'm at hit, those youngsters are being held in captivity. I'm contacting 
the Mormons to get them rescued.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote:

   Or, maybe you have some other explanation. But, in over
   ten years of reading your posts, you have failed to
   explain very much about the mechanics of consciousness.
  
 Vaj:
  Maybe that's because consciousness isn't mechanical you 
  idiot.
 
 So, you paid thousands of dollars to the TMO to get common,
 everyday words found in any Hindi dictionary for free, and 
 you spent years and years taking courses to learn how to 
 sleep while sitting on your butt, but I'm the 'idiot'. 
 
 Go figure.





[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers

2011-01-07 Thread sparaig


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:

 
 On Jan 6, 2011, at 11:28 PM, sparaig wrote:
 
  All of this translates into: my gobbledygook belief is better than  
  yours because I say so.
 
  Which is fine, but be aware that you're still spouting gobbledygook  
  beliefs in the eyes (ears?) of most of humanity.
 
 
 There's been on-going research on awakening in Buddhist meditation  
 and it's effect on negative emotions and others.



Well, unless you are claiming the equivalent of an ME for Buddhist meditation 
as opposed to TM, its still gobbledygook.

And if you are, then you need to post the research URLs, thanks.

Lawson



[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers

2011-01-07 Thread sparaig


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:

 
 On Jan 6, 2011, at 6:02 PM, jpgillam wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
  
  
   On Jan 6, 2011, at 11:45 AM, jpgillam wrote:
  
How about Maharishi's notion that simply transcending
enlivens the transcendent for people in the vicinity? Any
recognition of that idea in your tradition?
  
   As I pointed out before, IMO the Maharishi's claim, based on his  
  connecting TM with a verse from Patanjali, are simply not real-- 
  even if it is (or was) nice to meditate in groups. I do not believe  
  TM, in general, establishes ahimsa in ones consciousness or in  
  one's environment.
 
  You're saying TM does not work as advertised, and
  I get that; thanks. I'm asking something different,
  though. Let me use your terms: Does your
  tradition teach that transcending establishes
  ahimsa in one's environment?
 
  Feel free to substitute transcending with the
  proper word, if one better applies.
 
  Thanks.
 
 
 I would say that both the Patanjali tradition says that and the  
 Buddhist traditions say that Awakened Mind can transform  
 environments, indeed whole world systems.


So you're claiming that TM doesn't transform minds, or not in the way required 
to fulfill whatever the traditions say.


Lawson




Re: [FairfieldLife] Republican Cry Babies

2011-01-07 Thread Mike Dixon
Uh Pete, he's not a senator,  not even an esteemed one,just a lowly Speaker of 
the House.





From: Peter drpetersutp...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, January 6, 2011 11:44:16 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Republican Cry Babies

  
I'm such a troll! I have no idea what's wrong with the esteemed senator. 
However, emotional disinhibitation (is that even a word?) is one of the 
symptoms 
of Parkinson's disorder. Now you know, Mikey! 

--- On Thu, 1/6/11, Tom Pall thomas.p...@gmail.com wrote:


From: Tom Pall thomas.p...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Republican Cry Babies
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 2:09 PM




On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com wrote:




Wow! Excessive crying? Neurological disorder? Parkinson's? I'm glad we have a 
*real* doctor on this list that can diagnose such problems via a few news 
clips! 
Dr. Pete, how much are your malpractice premiums?



Pete's licensed in Florida.  A unique state when it comes to licensing 
requirements and enforcements.  Further, psychologists are by and large held to 
a much lower level of standards than, say, gas pumps or the scales used to 
measure people's weights.   About the only looser license he could get would be 
as a chiropractor.    



 




  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Potential recruit for research on the ME

2011-01-07 Thread sparaig


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB turquoi...@... wrote:

 He'd fit right in with the other TM scientists...
 
 http://www.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/01/05/autism.vaccines/index.html
 
 My point is that people do this shit all the time, make
 stuff up to fit their beliefs, their preconceptions, and
 their agendas. I suspect that half the time they are such
 TBs about these beliefs, preconceptions and agendas that 
 they don't even consciously know that they're faking the 
 data. But they are...


Well, this is an issue for all scientists, everywhere, and while TM scientists 
may be more at risk than most, I don't believe that they are more at risk than 
the guys who study Buddhist meditation.


Lawson



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Republican Cry Babies

2011-01-07 Thread Vaj


On Jan 7, 2011, at 2:36 PM, Bhairitu wrote:

Glad you enjoyed it. I wish it would go viral but most of the ones  
that

do are things like here's my little brother picking his nose. Says a
lot about the critters that live amongst us in society. At least I
pissed off one Republican (who was unaware of the study).



If you get a chance, pick up the new Rolling Stone which has an  
excellent article on Boner by Matt Taibbi, The Crying Shame of John  
Boehner: The new speaker is a lazy, double-talking shill for  
corporate interests. So how's he going to fare with the Tea Party?

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-07 Thread Marcio

you charge for your children or parents. ? How much did you charge them? please 
answer?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1...@... wrote:

 
 and his son, his daughter, his father. his sister .. a close friend ... .. 
 ask to teach you the techniques for them, you ask 2500? you will collect 
 money from their children?
 
 you are selfish ... you have no compassion .. you are part of the people who 
 do not care about the suffering of the world, you're insensitive ...
 
 
 open your hea, you'll feel better .. and does not cover money from his 
 children or his wife .. if they want the techniques aprendr ok?
 
 
 you'll feel better
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote:
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote:
  
   Raunchydog 
   
   I practice TM-Sidhi daily for 20 years, I am grateful to MMY .. for I 
   have learned to transecendental meditation, I agree with you .. 
   transcendental meditation I love, my life changed for the better .. I 
   only bow to the knowledge that I received ... but I want to learn more 
   ... I looked at what you have learned many advanced techniques .. please 
   I beg you to teach me these advanced techniques, it will be great for my 
   life ... my email tmer1306@
  
  
  I don't have Maharishi's blessing to teach advanced techniques. I hope your 
  fortunes change for the better. In the meantime, have a peaceful heart and 
  be happy.
 





[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-07 Thread Marcio

ho willy

there are many sutras of Patanjali in the book, poqur reason MMY selected only 
18? do you know? you know aversion TM-Sidhi for invisibility? ?

you know some more technique taught by MMY? could you teach? 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote:

 
 
   Aing, Aing, Aing, repeat or remember 
   only the bija subtly until I forget...
   
 sparaig:
  I would never consider practicing any 
  extension...
  
 Are you seriously suggesting that the only 
 way to get a 'sri' extension for his TM 
 mantra is to pay someone $2,500, when
 everyone knows that the word 'sri' is a 
 common Hindi word found in everyday Indian
 conversation and in any Sanskrit dictionary? 
 
 This is just outrageous!





[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-07 Thread Marcio


Raunchydog ?

 you charge for your children or parents. ? How much did you charge them? 
 please answer?
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote:
 
  
  and his son, his daughter, his father. his sister .. a close friend ... .. 
  ask to teach you the techniques for them, you ask 2500? you will collect 
  money from their children?
  
  you are selfish ... you have no compassion .. you are part of the people 
  who do not care about the suffering of the world, you're insensitive ...
  
  
  open your hea, you'll feel better .. and does not cover money from his 
  children or his wife .. if they want the techniques aprendr ok?
  
  
  you'll feel better
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote:
  
   
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote:
   
Raunchydog 

I practice TM-Sidhi daily for 20 years, I am grateful to MMY .. for I 
have learned to transecendental meditation, I agree with you .. 
transcendental meditation I love, my life changed for the better .. I 
only bow to the knowledge that I received ... but I want to learn more 
... I looked at what you have learned many advanced techniques .. 
please I beg you to teach me these advanced techniques, it will be 
great for my life ... my email tmer1306@
   
   
   I don't have Maharishi's blessing to teach advanced techniques. I hope 
   your fortunes change for the better. In the meantime, have a peaceful 
   heart and be happy.
  
 





Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Republican Cry Babies

2011-01-07 Thread Bhairitu
On 01/07/2011 12:16 PM, Vaj wrote:

 On Jan 7, 2011, at 2:36 PM, Bhairitu wrote:

 Glad you enjoyed it. I wish it would go viral but most of the ones that
 do are things like here's my little brother picking his nose. Says a
 lot about the critters that live amongst us in society. At least I
 pissed off one Republican (who was unaware of the study).


 If you get a chance, pick up the new Rolling Stone which has an 
 excellent article on Boner by Matt Taibbi, The Crying Shame of John 
 Boehner: The new speaker is a lazy, double-talking shill for corporate 
 interests. So how's he going to fare with the Tea Party?

The Tea Party is composed of fools.  They wound up being hijacked by 
Glenn Beck who had them march on DC when they should have been marching 
on Wall Street.  Even Ron Paul told them they had been hijacked.  
Boehner from what I've seen of him (especially the 60 Minutes report) 
is about as stupid as a Tea Partier so he might fare well.  Issa is a 
convicted crook and most of the country except Californians don't know 
that.  He is also the richest guy in congress worth over $400 million.  
He deserves all the flack we can serve him.  This idiot was responsible 
for giving us the governator because asshole Issa thought that he 
himself could get elected governor.   I think Gray Davis might have been 
able to keep California out of financial trouble as he was the former 
state comptroller and would have warned the assembly of their 
foolishness.  But it looks like it was a conspiracy to me for the rich 
to bankrupt the state so they could buy it for pennies on the dollar to 
make it their own private playland.

Tiabbi was on Thom Hartmann's show yesterday.



[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers

2011-01-07 Thread Buck


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jpgillam jpgil...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
 
  
  On Jan 6, 2011, at 6:02 PM, jpgillam wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
   
   
On Jan 6, 2011, at 11:45 AM, jpgillam wrote:
   
 How about Maharishi's notion that simply transcending
 enlivens the transcendent for people in the vicinity? Any
 recognition of that idea in your tradition?
   
As I pointed out before, IMO the Maharishi's claim, based on his  
   connecting TM with a verse from Patanjali, are simply not real-- 
   even if it is (or was) nice to meditate in groups. I do not believe  
   TM, in general, establishes ahimsa in ones consciousness or in  
   one's environment.
  
   You're saying TM does not work as advertised, and
   I get that; thanks. I'm asking something different,
   though. Let me use your terms: Does your
   tradition teach that transcending establishes
   ahimsa in one's environment?
  
   Feel free to substitute transcending with the
   proper word, if one better applies.
  
   Thanks.
  
  
  I would say that both the Patanjali tradition says that and the  
  Buddhist traditions say that Awakened Mind can transform  
  environments, indeed whole world systems.
 
 Thanks. Now let's hope that lots of people are awakening, 
 and we enjoy something of a snowball effect.



Great observation and I like that you keep re-focusing the question for some 
who evidently haven't had experience with it. This is an interesting 
discernment you're making.  The shakti of transcending and global influence.  
It's an influence that seems to take some spiritual muscle to throw and takes 
some practice to get good at it too.  It's a spirituality workout that really 
is not done in TM as such.

That is how you could have a bunch of TM'ers who may be are lit
in the upper chakras but not connected to their heart or much at root
chakras.  All along over the years with TM, some people have observed and 
commented that it
(™) seems to have no heart.  Well, yes if it just stays with the in-the-head
thing of just coming back to a mantra and taking it as it comes then it likely 
won't get embodied much.  Hence you can
have some long term practitioners who frankly look pretty dim bad and a lot who 
are quitters.

Though TM doctrine doesn't address this spirituality aspect but for some people 
things natively lit up from top to bottom with the practice.  All the advanced 
techniques effectively are this more complete development
of the subtle chakra systems if employed that way.  However, TM simply was a 
great spiritual start and then going to other teachers where this larger aspect 
is more directly and technically addressed can become important finishing.  
Lately John Douglas arriving with his spiritual techniques/practices has been 
helping the really TM TB'er insider community with this growth more directly.  
Their TM is proly better for it too as their subtle systems become more able to 
embody the Unified Field spiritually.  

There has been a lot of work done this way in the meditating community over the 
years.  Particularly since the mid to late 1980's when the lady-saints started 
showing up more in the West.  This is a lot of what the saints have been 
helping people with in their spirituality of developing the spiritual body.  
Look at the Fairfield Directory of Active Spiritual Practice Groups.  That 
represents where a lot of the TM movement had went on to through the years.  
Taking TM and going separate from TM.  There is a practicality in that.

For the research, it would be nice to get some of those practitioners back to 
do their TM in the domes now.  

-Buck in FF



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-07 Thread Bhairitu
Where are you and why do you even care about doing TM stuff?  It is mass 
marketed yoga lite.  I would suggest hanging out at some other 
organizations or with other teachers in your area (if possible) to learn 
what they do.  Just do some information gathering.  Read Dr. Robert 
Svoboda's trilogy on tantra for some background on traditions.  Read 
some of Swami Sivananda's writing to get some background.  Read Swami 
Muktananda's stuff.  Be careful about pop gurus as they are there for 
the fame and money.  Real teachers teach one on one and aren't looking 
for big followings.

On 01/07/2011 12:28 PM, Marcio wrote:
 ho willy

 there are many sutras of Patanjali in the book, poqur reason MMY selected 
 only 18? do you know? you know aversion TM-Sidhi for invisibility? ?

 you know some more technique taught by MMY? could you teach?

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTexwilly...@...  wrote:


 Aing, Aing, Aing, repeat or remember
 only the bija subtly until I forget...

 sparaig:
 I would never consider practicing any
 extension...

 Are you seriously suggesting that the only
 way to get a 'sri' extension for his TM
 mantra is to pay someone $2,500, when
 everyone knows that the word 'sri' is a
 common Hindi word found in everyday Indian
 conversation and in any Sanskrit dictionary?

 This is just outrageous!






[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-07 Thread Marcio
FRIEND I HAD A RADICAL CHANGE IN MY  PERSONAL LIFE PRACTICING tm .. THEN I KNOW 
NOTHING MORE EFFECTIVE  .. THIS IS THE REASON FOR  TO DO ALL THESE TM OVER 20 
YEARS ... The benefits are huge in my personal life, I THINK

  OTHER MASTERS SPEAK VERY WELL .. PRACTICE IN LIFE BUT DOES NOT CHANGE 
ANYTHING .. BECAUSE PHILOSOPHY IS NEAT .. Mmy's .. AND PRACTICE AND RESULTS ... 
MY ONLY THOUGHT

I LIKE EVERYTHING THAT COMES FROM ... MMY IF SOMEONE SHOW ME THE ROOTS AND I 
GET TO PRACTICE OF ENCREMENTAR TM BEST .. BUT I LIKE ALL OF MMY TEACH .. ALL 
TECHNIQUES  AND I AM GRATEFUL TO LEARN TM BUT I DO NO LIKE tmo .. MONEY 
MONEUY MONEY YOU UNDERSTEND ME ? 

PROBLEMS WITH MY KEYBOARD IS A SORRY CAPS LOCK

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote:

 Where are you and why do you even care about doing TM stuff?  It is mass 
 marketed yoga lite.  I would suggest hanging out at some other 
 organizations or with other teachers in your area (if possible) to learn 
 what they do.  Just do some information gathering.  Read Dr. Robert 
 Svoboda's trilogy on tantra for some background on traditions.  Read 
 some of Swami Sivananda's writing to get some background.  Read Swami 
 Muktananda's stuff.  Be careful about pop gurus as they are there for 
 the fame and money.  Real teachers teach one on one and aren't looking 
 for big followings.
 
 On 01/07/2011 12:28 PM, Marcio wrote:
  ho willy
 
  there are many sutras of Patanjali in the book, poqur reason MMY selected 
  only 18? do you know? you know aversion TM-Sidhi for invisibility? ?
 
  you know some more technique taught by MMY? could you teach?
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTexwillytex@  wrote:
 
 
  Aing, Aing, Aing, repeat or remember
  only the bija subtly until I forget...
 
  sparaig:
  I would never consider practicing any
  extension...
 
  Are you seriously suggesting that the only
  way to get a 'sri' extension for his TM
  mantra is to pay someone $2,500, when
  everyone knows that the word 'sri' is a
  common Hindi word found in everyday Indian
  conversation and in any Sanskrit dictionary?
 
  This is just outrageous!
 
 
 





[FairfieldLife] Advanced techniques fertilizers

2011-01-07 Thread Yifu Xero
Mario:  Various contributors have laid out the options for you, and you need to 
choose and stop complaining about the $$. That's the way it is.
But you're making a big mistake sticking ONLY with TM.  Get in sync with Ramana 
Maharshi. In the meantime, just preface your mantra with Sri. That's the 
advanced technique, as already stated by Willytex. Save your money.
...
American saying  If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.


  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Advanced techniques fertilizers

2011-01-07 Thread Marcio

I agree with you but I really like TM .. and I like everything about Parendi 
techniques tm .. i know there are more than 7 vaj .. put here because this is 
the reason of my interest .. and I am very grateful to you and all who are 
helping me .. but I think RD could ensinr .. and stop being selfish
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu Xero yifux...@... wrote:

 Mario:  Various contributors have laid out the options for you, and you need 
 to 
 choose and stop complaining about the $$. That's the way it is.
 But you're making a big mistake sticking ONLY with TM.  Get in sync with 
 Ramana 
 Maharshi. In the meantime, just preface your mantra with Sri. That's the 
 advanced technique, as already stated by Willytex. Save your money.
 ...
 American saying  If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.





[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers

2011-01-07 Thread docwhammo
Sitting around waiting for someone or something to come along and save you 
seems to be a latent desire for a return to the parental situation.  This 
desire has been exploited to hell and back, since civilization began.

Many things are possible with the human body and the human mind.  Many things 
that many people are not familiar with.  However, use of these mostly unknown 
possibilities does not necessarily indicate the type of awakening which you 
speak of.

Everyone has an effect on the environment whether they intend to or not.  That 
is the nature of the web of wyrd, or indra's net.  It is less about the 
environment and more about your place within it.  The snowball effect is 
already there, in a magnitude of forces beyond your wildest dreams, but its not 
going to cater to the conditions which would have prevented it in the first 
place.  There must be a balance.  That is the origin of relationship.  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jpgillam jpgil...@... wrote:

 
 Thanks. Now let's hope that lots of people are awakening, 
 and we enjoy something of a snowball effect.





[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers Raunchydog ?

2011-01-07 Thread Marcio
Raunchydog ?

 you charge for your children or parents. ? How much did you charge them?
please answer?
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote:
 
 
  and his son, his daughter, his father. his sister .. a close friend ... ..
ask to teach you the techniques for them, you ask 2500? you will collect money
from their children?
 
  you are selfish ... you have no compassion .. you are part of the people who
do not care about the suffering of the world, you're insensitive ...
 
 
  open your hea, you'll feel better .. and does not cover money from his
children or his wife .. if they want learn the techniques  ok?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1...@... wrote:

 
 
 Raunchydog ?
 
  you charge for your children or parents. ? How much did you charge them? 
  please answer?
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote:
  
   
   and his son, his daughter, his father. his sister .. a close friend ... 
   .. ask to teach you the techniques for them, you ask 2500? you will 
   collect money from their children?
   
   you are selfish ... you have no compassion .. you are part of the people 
   who do not care about the suffering of the world, you're insensitive ...
   
   
   open your hea, you'll feel better .. and does not cover money from his 
   children or his wife .. if they want the techniques aprendr ok?
   
   
   you'll feel better
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote:
   


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote:

 Raunchydog 
 
 I practice TM-Sidhi daily for 20 years, I am grateful to MMY .. for I 
 have learned to transecendental meditation, I agree with you .. 
 transcendental meditation I love, my life changed for the better .. I 
 only bow to the knowledge that I received ... but I want to learn 
 more ... I looked at what you have learned many advanced techniques 
 .. please I beg you to teach me these advanced techniques, it will be 
 great for my life ... my email tmer1306@


I don't have Maharishi's blessing to teach advanced techniques. I hope 
your fortunes change for the better. In the meantime, have a peaceful 
heart and be happy.
   
  
 





Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-07 Thread Bhairitu
There are plenty of other very powerful techniques than TM.  I really 
don't care if you're grateful to TM for changing your life maybe 
something else might have also.  You don't know. But ignorance of other 
techniques is simply ignorance.  I'm grateful that I learned about other 
schools of though, went to India where I learned things and 10 years ago 
was initiated into tantra by an authentic tantric guru here in the 
states.  I haven't looked back since.

Since I was also made a TM teacher and a governor I left TM in it's 
package when I moved on.

On 01/07/2011 01:19 PM, Marcio wrote:
 FRIEND I HAD A RADICAL CHANGE IN MY  PERSONAL LIFE PRACTICING tm .. THEN I 
 KNOW NOTHING MORE EFFECTIVE  .. THIS IS THE REASON FOR  TO DO ALL THESE TM 
 OVER 20 YEARS ... The benefits are huge in my personal life, I THINK

OTHER MASTERS SPEAK VERY WELL .. PRACTICE IN LIFE BUT DOES NOT CHANGE 
 ANYTHING .. BECAUSE PHILOSOPHY IS NEAT .. Mmy's .. AND PRACTICE AND RESULTS 
 ... MY ONLY THOUGHT

 I LIKE EVERYTHING THAT COMES FROM ... MMY IF SOMEONE SHOW ME THE ROOTS AND I 
 GET TO PRACTICE OF ENCREMENTAR TM BEST .. BUT I LIKE ALL OF MMY TEACH .. ALL 
 TECHNIQUES  AND I AM GRATEFUL TO LEARN TM BUT I DO NO LIKE tmo .. MONEY 
 MONEUY MONEY YOU UNDERSTEND ME ?

 PROBLEMS WITH MY KEYBOARD IS A SORRY CAPS LOCK

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozg...@...  wrote:
 Where are you and why do you even care about doing TM stuff?  It is mass
 marketed yoga lite.  I would suggest hanging out at some other
 organizations or with other teachers in your area (if possible) to learn
 what they do.  Just do some information gathering.  Read Dr. Robert
 Svoboda's trilogy on tantra for some background on traditions.  Read
 some of Swami Sivananda's writing to get some background.  Read Swami
 Muktananda's stuff.  Be careful about pop gurus as they are there for
 the fame and money.  Real teachers teach one on one and aren't looking
 for big followings.

 On 01/07/2011 12:28 PM, Marcio wrote:
 ho willy

 there are many sutras of Patanjali in the book, poqur reason MMY selected 
 only 18? do you know? you know aversion TM-Sidhi for invisibility? ?

 you know some more technique taught by MMY? could you teach?

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTexwillytex@   wrote:

 Aing, Aing, Aing, repeat or remember
 only the bija subtly until I forget...

 sparaig:
 I would never consider practicing any
 extension...

 Are you seriously suggesting that the only
 way to get a 'sri' extension for his TM
 mantra is to pay someone $2,500, when
 everyone knows that the word 'sri' is a
 common Hindi word found in everyday Indian
 conversation and in any Sanskrit dictionary?

 This is just outrageous!







[FairfieldLife] Re: Potential recruit for research on the ME

2011-01-07 Thread jpgillam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@ wrote:
 
  He'd fit right in with the other TM scientists...
  
  http://www.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/01/05/autism.vaccines/index.html
  
  My point is that people do this shit all the time, make
  stuff up to fit their beliefs, their preconceptions, and
  their agendas. I suspect that half the time they are such
  TBs about these beliefs, preconceptions and agendas that 
  they don't even consciously know that they're faking the 
  data. But they are...
 
 
 Well, this is an issue for all scientists, everywhere, and while TM 
 scientists may be more at risk than most, I don't believe that they are more 
 at risk than the guys who study Buddhist meditation.

I'm surprised no one here has mentioned the recent 
New Yorker article on the decline effect, the name 
given to the tendency for replications of studies to 
be less impressive than the initial studies of a given 
phenomenon. The article examines Lawson's initial 
point above, that replicable, reliable data is an issue 
for all scientists, everywhere.



[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-07 Thread Marcio
Bhairitu

you taught tm? you know the advanced techniques? can you teach me? MMY reason 
why only 18 selected sutras, you know? I'm curious to know about it


and you could tell me what you've learned I'm interested .. also .. I am not a 
fanatic by TM .. I am open to new knowledge .. If you can answer me I would 
greatly appreciate it .. because I am a seeker of yoga .. ..

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote:

 There are plenty of other very powerful techniques than TM.  I really 
 don't care if you're grateful to TM for changing your life maybe 
 something else might have also.  You don't know. But ignorance of other 
 techniques is simply ignorance.  I'm grateful that I learned about other 
 schools of though, went to India where I learned things and 10 years ago 
 was initiated into tantra by an authentic tantric guru here in the 
 states.  I haven't looked back since.
 
 Since I was also made a TM teacher and a governor I left TM in it's 
 package when I moved on.
 
 On 01/07/2011 01:19 PM, Marcio wrote:
  FRIEND I HAD A RADICAL CHANGE IN MY  PERSONAL LIFE PRACTICING tm .. THEN I 
  KNOW NOTHING MORE EFFECTIVE  .. THIS IS THE REASON FOR  TO DO ALL THESE TM 
  OVER 20 YEARS ... The benefits are huge in my personal life, I THINK
 
 OTHER MASTERS SPEAK VERY WELL .. PRACTICE IN LIFE BUT DOES NOT CHANGE 
  ANYTHING .. BECAUSE PHILOSOPHY IS NEAT .. Mmy's .. AND PRACTICE AND RESULTS 
  ... MY ONLY THOUGHT
 
  I LIKE EVERYTHING THAT COMES FROM ... MMY IF SOMEONE SHOW ME THE ROOTS AND 
  I GET TO PRACTICE OF ENCREMENTAR TM BEST .. BUT I LIKE ALL OF MMY TEACH .. 
  ALL TECHNIQUES  AND I AM GRATEFUL TO LEARN TM BUT I DO NO LIKE tmo .. 
  MONEY MONEUY MONEY YOU UNDERSTEND ME ?
 
  PROBLEMS WITH MY KEYBOARD IS A SORRY CAPS LOCK
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@  wrote:
  Where are you and why do you even care about doing TM stuff?  It is mass
  marketed yoga lite.  I would suggest hanging out at some other
  organizations or with other teachers in your area (if possible) to learn
  what they do.  Just do some information gathering.  Read Dr. Robert
  Svoboda's trilogy on tantra for some background on traditions.  Read
  some of Swami Sivananda's writing to get some background.  Read Swami
  Muktananda's stuff.  Be careful about pop gurus as they are there for
  the fame and money.  Real teachers teach one on one and aren't looking
  for big followings.
 
  On 01/07/2011 12:28 PM, Marcio wrote:
  ho willy
 
  there are many sutras of Patanjali in the book, poqur reason MMY selected 
  only 18? do you know? you know aversion TM-Sidhi for invisibility? ?
 
  you know some more technique taught by MMY? could you teach?
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTexwillytex@   wrote:
 
  Aing, Aing, Aing, repeat or remember
  only the bija subtly until I forget...
 
  sparaig:
  I would never consider practicing any
  extension...
 
  Are you seriously suggesting that the only
  way to get a 'sri' extension for his TM
  mantra is to pay someone $2,500, when
  everyone knows that the word 'sri' is a
  common Hindi word found in everyday Indian
  conversation and in any Sanskrit dictionary?
 
  This is just outrageous!
 
 
 
 





Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-07 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Jan 7, 2011, at 4:07 PM, Marcio wrote:

 Bhairitu
 
 you taught tm? you know the advanced techniques? can you teach me? MMY reason 
 why only 18 selected sutras, you know? I'm curious to know about it

Marcio,
Not sure if this ground has already been covered, 
but here are the first 3:  sri, sri, (your mantra) namah
Sri is pronounced like shree.

You can just send the $7500 to me instead. :)

Sal




[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-07 Thread Marcio
sal 


you funny ... this is good ... yes I know .. and I received this information 
from official teacher tm .. But shri shri mantra namah namah , and shri shri 
mantra mantra namah namah .. I do not know if this correct ...

but I'll tell you to send $ 7,500 .. send your bank account ... :)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote:

 On Jan 7, 2011, at 4:07 PM, Marcio wrote:
 
  Bhairitu
  
  you taught tm? you know the advanced techniques? can you teach me? MMY 
  reason why only 18 selected sutras, you know? I'm curious to know about it
 
 Marcio,
 Not sure if this ground has already been covered, 
 but here are the first 3:  sri, sri, (your mantra) namah
 Sri is pronounced like shree.
 
 You can just send the $7500 to me instead. :)
 
 Sal





Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-07 Thread Tom Pall
On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Marcio tmer1...@gmail.com wrote:

 sal


 you funny ... this is good ... yes I know .. and I received this
 information from official teacher tm .. But shri shri mantra namah namah ,
 and shri shri mantra mantra namah namah .. I do not know if this correct ...

 but I'll tell you to send $ 7,500 .. send your bank account ... :)


Marcio, this is not true for all.  My initial mantra, which I've never seen
posted anywhere, lasted through my 4th advanced technique, then it was
changed.

Send me no money.  Instead, send me your full name and address so I can send
you a cashiers/treasurers check for $10,000.  Just cash the check and wire
me back 10% of it, OK?


Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Potential recruit for research on the ME

2011-01-07 Thread Tom Pall
On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 3:58 PM, jpgillam jpgil...@yahoo.com wrote:

  Well, this is an issue for all scientists, everywhere, and while TM
 scientists may be more at risk than most, I don't believe that they are more
 at risk than the guys who study Buddhist meditation.

 I'm surprised no one here has mentioned the recent
 New Yorker article on the decline effect, the name
 given to the tendency for replications of studies to
 be less impressive than the initial studies of a given
 phenomenon. The article examines Lawson's initial
 point above, that replicable, reliable data is an issue
 for all scientists, everywhere.



 The decline effect is by and large the result of regression to the mean.
You get outlying data, you hop up and down, you massage it, publish it.  Do
the study again, get no outlying data, bury the results.  Notice I said
outlying data, not at all the same as the data Maharishi told people to go
look for.


Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers

2011-01-07 Thread Vaj

On Jan 7, 2011, at 3:10 PM, sparaig wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:
 
  
  On Jan 6, 2011, at 11:28 PM, sparaig wrote:
  
   All of this translates into: my gobbledygook belief is better than 
   yours because I say so.
  
   Which is fine, but be aware that you're still spouting gobbledygook 
   beliefs in the eyes (ears?) of most of humanity.
  
  
  There's been on-going research on awakening in Buddhist meditation 
  and it's effect on negative emotions and others.
 
 
 Well, unless you are claiming the equivalent of an ME for Buddhist meditation 
 as opposed to TM, its still gobbledygook.
 
 And if you are, then you need to post the research URLs, thanks.


The research phase on Buddhist meditation is now well established. In fact it's 
moved beyond the research stage to the creation of a truly non-sectarian 
meditation form, where HH the Dalai Lama has worked with leading world 
scientists to create this cutting edge deep meditation. IIRC they're on their 
second TTC in their state-of-the-art facility. Now there's no need to worry 
about getting a stealth meditation form that would conflict with 
Judaeo-Christian or other religious values.

Good primers on the research would be Destructive Emotions: How Can We Overcome 
Them? A Scientific Dialogue with the Dalai Lama by Daniel Goleman or The 
Mindful Brain: Reflection and Attunement in the Cultivation of Well-Being by 
Daniel Siegel.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-07 Thread Bhairitu
I don't teach TM any longer.  I teach a different technique and that 
teaching is in person not on the Internet.  Besides only a few 
initiators were made official advanced technique teachers.  There are 
a few unofficial ones here though. :-D

On 01/07/2011 02:07 PM, Marcio wrote:
 Bhairitu

 you taught tm? you know the advanced techniques? can you teach me? MMY reason 
 why only 18 selected sutras, you know? I'm curious to know about it


 and you could tell me what you've learned I'm interested .. also .. I am not 
 a fanatic by TM .. I am open to new knowledge .. If you can answer me I would 
 greatly appreciate it .. because I am a seeker of yoga .. ..

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozg...@...  wrote:
 There are plenty of other very powerful techniques than TM.  I really
 don't care if you're grateful to TM for changing your life maybe
 something else might have also.  You don't know. But ignorance of other
 techniques is simply ignorance.  I'm grateful that I learned about other
 schools of though, went to India where I learned things and 10 years ago
 was initiated into tantra by an authentic tantric guru here in the
 states.  I haven't looked back since.

 Since I was also made a TM teacher and a governor I left TM in it's
 package when I moved on.

 On 01/07/2011 01:19 PM, Marcio wrote:
 FRIEND I HAD A RADICAL CHANGE IN MY  PERSONAL LIFE PRACTICING tm .. THEN I 
 KNOW NOTHING MORE EFFECTIVE  .. THIS IS THE REASON FOR  TO DO ALL THESE TM 
 OVER 20 YEARS ... The benefits are huge in my personal life, I THINK

 OTHER MASTERS SPEAK VERY WELL .. PRACTICE IN LIFE BUT DOES NOT CHANGE 
 ANYTHING .. BECAUSE PHILOSOPHY IS NEAT .. Mmy's .. AND PRACTICE AND RESULTS 
 ... MY ONLY THOUGHT

 I LIKE EVERYTHING THAT COMES FROM ... MMY IF SOMEONE SHOW ME THE ROOTS AND 
 I GET TO PRACTICE OF ENCREMENTAR TM BEST .. BUT I LIKE ALL OF MMY TEACH .. 
 ALL TECHNIQUES  AND I AM GRATEFUL TO LEARN TM BUT I DO NO LIKE tmo .. 
 MONEY MONEUY MONEY YOU UNDERSTEND ME ?

 PROBLEMS WITH MY KEYBOARD IS A SORRY CAPS LOCK

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@   wrote:
 Where are you and why do you even care about doing TM stuff?  It is mass
 marketed yoga lite.  I would suggest hanging out at some other
 organizations or with other teachers in your area (if possible) to learn
 what they do.  Just do some information gathering.  Read Dr. Robert
 Svoboda's trilogy on tantra for some background on traditions.  Read
 some of Swami Sivananda's writing to get some background.  Read Swami
 Muktananda's stuff.  Be careful about pop gurus as they are there for
 the fame and money.  Real teachers teach one on one and aren't looking
 for big followings.

 On 01/07/2011 12:28 PM, Marcio wrote:
 ho willy

 there are many sutras of Patanjali in the book, poqur reason MMY selected 
 only 18? do you know? you know aversion TM-Sidhi for invisibility? ?

 you know some more technique taught by MMY? could you teach?

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTexwillytex@wrote:
 Aing, Aing, Aing, repeat or remember
 only the bija subtly until I forget...

 sparaig:
 I would never consider practicing any
 extension...

 Are you seriously suggesting that the only
 way to get a 'sri' extension for his TM
 mantra is to pay someone $2,500, when
 everyone knows that the word 'sri' is a
 common Hindi word found in everyday Indian
 conversation and in any Sanskrit dictionary?

 This is just outrageous!







[FairfieldLife] Stuff to do when it's cold outside

2011-01-07 Thread whynotnow7
Harbin, China Ice Festival:

http://tinyurl.com/2cwzow7



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers

2011-01-07 Thread Vaj

On Jan 7, 2011, at 10:37 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:

  One involves what's come to be called mirror neurons, which 
  are a way we each keep track internally within ourselves of 
  how others around us are, how their minds are. The other was 
  research on advanced meditators who then were put thru a 
  series of tests where their worldview was challenged by an 
  expert in arguing. In the expert meditators who had conquered 
  a lot of their negative emotions, it just rolled off them; 
  they were unaffected.
 
 Both sound fascinating, but you seem to have missed
 my point. The original thread was about the ME, and
 whether the enlightened (or even butt-bouncers) can
 positively affect their environments. Both of the
 studies you mention above are about benefits for
 the person claiming enlightenment or some kind of
 spiritual advancement, not for anyone around them.

What I'm saying is, persons with a certain amount of realization can influence 
sentient beings they are in close proximity to, possibly via their mirror 
neuron systems as a kind of interface. But it's probably not a one-way exchange 
and may require a conscious experience of the other person. It's certainly 
possible that large groups of advanced meditators could act like one joined 
resonant system.

It's also possible that negative meditation effects could conversely exist. For 
example the TM-Sidhi program is the only meditation form that I know of that 
can induce Tourette's-like syndromes in people. WTF is that about? Whether that 
damage of the nervous system can be transmitted to others, we simply do not 
know. I have heard some chilling, first-hand accounts of dark yogis in the 
Himalaya who could negatively effect people for many miles around them. If 
true, what's that about?

Since my family has been associated with the region since the turn of the last 
century, we've heard our share of wild stories, some true and some probably 
just wild stories.

But I doubt the ME, at least in terms of light trance states, has any tangible 
reality, even if large numbers of people are involved. When people are in close 
proximity and one has a high level of inner attunement, I definitely think it's 
possible to share that attunement.

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-07 Thread Marcio
Hi Tom

sorry .. my english is not good .. I do not understand correctly the $ 10,000 
:-)


but you could tell me what their techniques? send to my email .. 
tmer1...@gmail.com I give you money:)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.p...@... wrote:

 On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Marcio tmer1...@... wrote:
 
  sal
 
 
  you funny ... this is good ... yes I know .. and I received this
  information from official teacher tm .. But shri shri mantra namah namah ,
  and shri shri mantra mantra namah namah .. I do not know if this correct ...
 
  but I'll tell you to send $ 7,500 .. send your bank account ... :)
 
 
 Marcio, this is not true for all.  My initial mantra, which I've never seen
 posted anywhere, lasted through my 4th advanced technique, then it was
 changed.
 
 Send me no money.  Instead, send me your full name and address so I can send
 you a cashiers/treasurers check for $10,000.  Just cash the check and wire
 me back 10% of it, OK?





Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers

2011-01-07 Thread Vaj

On Jan 7, 2011, at 10:37 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:

  And there are other, more anecdotal examples of an entire 
  country that learned to meditate and embrace awakening as 
  part of their lives. Not only did strife and war disappear, 
  but the healthcare system became an integrated model between 
  allopathic medicine, and Tibetan medicine (Ayurvedic and 
  Chinese medicine).
 
 My suspicion is that these anecdotes cannot be 
 found to have any basis in real history. :-)


It's actually been documented. I first heard about it from Robert Thurman and 
later saw a documentary on it. I seem to recall the documentary might have 
simply been called Tibetan Medicine, but was actually about a remote part of 
modern day Russia where Tibetan nomads used to trade with.




[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers

2011-01-07 Thread whynotnow7
For example the TM-Sidhi program is the only meditation form that I know of 
that can induce Tourette's-like syndromes in people. WTF is that about?

Hi Vaj, if you had done the techniques, you would know what this is all about. 
Barring that, you are left to empty speculations, rumors  and fantasies. The 
actual experience is far simpler and more natural than all of that.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:

 
 On Jan 7, 2011, at 10:37 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
 
   One involves what's come to be called mirror neurons, which 
   are a way we each keep track internally within ourselves of 
   how others around us are, how their minds are. The other was 
   research on advanced meditators who then were put thru a 
   series of tests where their worldview was challenged by an 
   expert in arguing. In the expert meditators who had conquered 
   a lot of their negative emotions, it just rolled off them; 
   they were unaffected.
  
  Both sound fascinating, but you seem to have missed
  my point. The original thread was about the ME, and
  whether the enlightened (or even butt-bouncers) can
  positively affect their environments. Both of the
  studies you mention above are about benefits for
  the person claiming enlightenment or some kind of
  spiritual advancement, not for anyone around them.
 
 What I'm saying is, persons with a certain amount of realization can 
 influence sentient beings they are in close proximity to, possibly via their 
 mirror neuron systems as a kind of interface. But it's probably not a one-way 
 exchange and may require a conscious experience of the other person. It's 
 certainly possible that large groups of advanced meditators could act like 
 one joined resonant system.
 
 It's also possible that negative meditation effects could conversely exist. 
 For example the TM-Sidhi program is the only meditation form that I know of 
 that can induce Tourette's-like syndromes in people. WTF is that about? 
 Whether that damage of the nervous system can be transmitted to others, we 
 simply do not know. I have heard some chilling, first-hand accounts of dark 
 yogis in the Himalaya who could negatively effect people for many miles 
 around them. If true, what's that about?
 
 Since my family has been associated with the region since the turn of the 
 last century, we've heard our share of wild stories, some true and some 
 probably just wild stories.
 
 But I doubt the ME, at least in terms of light trance states, has any 
 tangible reality, even if large numbers of people are involved. When people 
 are in close proximity and one has a high level of inner attunement, I 
 definitely think it's possible to share that attunement.





[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers Raunchydog ?

2011-01-07 Thread Marcio


Raunchydog ?

 you charge for your children or parents. ? How much did you charge them?
please answer?
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote:
 
 
  and his son, his daughter, his father. his sister .. a close friend ... ..
ask to teach you the techniques for them, you ask 2500? you will collect money
from their children?
 
  you are selfish ... you have no compassion .. you are part of the people who
do not care about the suffering of the world, you're insensitive ...
 
 
  open your hea, you'll feel better .. and does not cover money from his
children or his wife .. if they want learn the techniques ok?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1...@... wrote:



 Raunchydog ?

  you charge for your children or parents. ? How much did you charge them?
please answer?
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote:
  
  
   and his son, his daughter, his father. his sister .. a close friend ... ..
ask to teach you the techniques for them, you ask 2500? you will collect money
from their children?
  
   you are selfish ... you have no compassion .. you are part of the people
who do not care about the suffering of the world, you're insensitive ...
  
  
   open your hea, you'll feel better .. and does not cover money from his
children or his wife .. if they want the techniques aprendr ok?
  
  
   you'll feel better
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote:
   
   
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote:

 Raunchydog

 I practice TM-Sidhi daily for 20 years, I am grateful to MMY .. for I
have learned to transecendental meditation, I agree with you .. transcendental
meditation I love, my life changed for the better .. I only bow to the knowledge
that I received ... but I want to learn more ... I looked at what you have
learned many advanced techniques .. please I beg you to teach me these advanced
techniques, it will be great for my life ... my email tmer1306@

   
I don't have Maharishi's blessing to teach advanced techniques. I hope
your fortunes change for the better. In the meantime, have a peaceful heart and
be happy.
   
  
 









[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers

2011-01-07 Thread yifuxero
Tourette's - very far fetched; although dragons can be killed with the ME (it's 
well documented):
http://www.fantasygallery.net/caldwell/art_5_cc01.html

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotn...@... wrote:

 For example the TM-Sidhi program is the only meditation form that I know of 
 that can induce Tourette's-like syndromes in people. WTF is that about?
 
 Hi Vaj, if you had done the techniques, you would know what this is all 
 about. Barring that, you are left to empty speculations, rumors  and 
 fantasies. The actual experience is far simpler and more natural than all of 
 that.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
 
  
  On Jan 7, 2011, at 10:37 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
  
One involves what's come to be called mirror neurons, which 
are a way we each keep track internally within ourselves of 
how others around us are, how their minds are. The other was 
research on advanced meditators who then were put thru a 
series of tests where their worldview was challenged by an 
expert in arguing. In the expert meditators who had conquered 
a lot of their negative emotions, it just rolled off them; 
they were unaffected.
   
   Both sound fascinating, but you seem to have missed
   my point. The original thread was about the ME, and
   whether the enlightened (or even butt-bouncers) can
   positively affect their environments. Both of the
   studies you mention above are about benefits for
   the person claiming enlightenment or some kind of
   spiritual advancement, not for anyone around them.
  
  What I'm saying is, persons with a certain amount of realization can 
  influence sentient beings they are in close proximity to, possibly via 
  their mirror neuron systems as a kind of interface. But it's probably not a 
  one-way exchange and may require a conscious experience of the other 
  person. It's certainly possible that large groups of advanced meditators 
  could act like one joined resonant system.
  
  It's also possible that negative meditation effects could conversely exist. 
  For example the TM-Sidhi program is the only meditation form that I know of 
  that can induce Tourette's-like syndromes in people. WTF is that about? 
  Whether that damage of the nervous system can be transmitted to others, we 
  simply do not know. I have heard some chilling, first-hand accounts of 
  dark yogis in the Himalaya who could negatively effect people for many 
  miles around them. If true, what's that about?
  
  Since my family has been associated with the region since the turn of the 
  last century, we've heard our share of wild stories, some true and some 
  probably just wild stories.
  
  But I doubt the ME, at least in terms of light trance states, has any 
  tangible reality, even if large numbers of people are involved. When people 
  are in close proximity and one has a high level of inner attunement, I 
  definitely think it's possible to share that attunement.
 





[FairfieldLife] Origin of Seed mantras:

2011-01-07 Thread yifuxero
They come from Spaceseed.
http://www.fantasygallery.net/blanche/art_8_Spaceseed.html



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-07 Thread Tom Pall
On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 5:35 PM, Marcio tmer1...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Tom

 sorry .. my english is not good .. I do not understand correctly the $
 10,000 :-)


 but you could tell me what their techniques? send to my email ..
 tmer1...@gmail.com I give you money:)


Your English is not good?  My original mantra and advanced techniques will
not work for you.  They are only good for people whose native language is
the President's English.

Perhaps you can switch to Herbert Benson's meditation, starting with the
mantra one?  I can give you the advanced techniques for Benson's
meditation.  The mantras go one, two, three, four and so on.


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-07 Thread Tom Pall
On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Marcio tmer1...@gmail.com wrote:


 ho willy

 there are many sutras of Patanjali in the book, poqur reason MMY selected
 only 18? do you know? you know aversion TM-Sidhi for invisibility? ?


Be careful with the invisibility sutra.  There have been wealth sidhas who
practiced it and millions of their dollars just up and disappeared.


[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-07 Thread Marcio

sorry I did not understand what you mean .. I do not understand english very 
well .. I do not write very well English ... techniques you have to offer me 
right? And you want some money for them is it?

what techniques do you have? these techniques are the TM?

but I do not have $ 10,000

i use google translator   :) maybe I misunderstood


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.p...@... wrote:

 On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 5:35 PM, Marcio tmer1...@... wrote:
 
  Hi Tom
 
  sorry .. my english is not good .. I do not understand correctly the $
  10,000 :-)
 
 
  but you could tell me what their techniques? send to my email ..
  tmer1...@... I give you money:)
 
 
 Your English is not good?  My original mantra and advanced techniques will
 not work for you.  They are only good for people whose native language is
 the President's English.
 
 Perhaps you can switch to Herbert Benson's meditation, starting with the
 mantra one?  I can give you the advanced techniques for Benson's
 meditation.  The mantras go one, two, three, four and so on.





[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-07 Thread Marcio



you are funny .. this is good 



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.p...@... wrote:

 On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Marcio tmer1...@... wrote:
 
 
  ho willy
 
  there are many sutras of Patanjali in the book, poqur reason MMY selected
  only 18? do you know? you know aversion TM-Sidhi for invisibility? ?
 
 
 Be careful with the invisibility sutra.  There have been wealth sidhas who
 practiced it and millions of their dollars just up and disappeared.





Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers

2011-01-07 Thread Vaj

On Jan 7, 2011, at 7:09 PM, yifuxero wrote:

 Tourette's - very far fetched;


Don't go all Judy and Jim on me. I said Tourette's-like.

Didn't you know any Sidhas who had Tourette's-like symptoms?

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers Raunchydog ?

2011-01-07 Thread authfriend
Marcio, just stop. You've left something like nine
messages now asking the same thing in just a few
hours, several of them only a couple of minutes apart.

Do you really think raunchydog has nothing to do all
day but sit in front of her computer just waiting to
read and reply to your posts the instant they appear?

She drops by the forum from time to time. She may not
be back for days. If she sees one of your posts the
next time she's here, she'll probably reply to it
(although in my opinion you have no business asking
her personal questions, and she is under no obligation
to answer them).

As to calling her selfish and saying she has no
compassion, that's ridiculous. She explained to you
already why she can't teach you any advanced
techniques: MMY didn't assign her to teach them. Even
if you wanted to pay her, she couldn't teach them to
you. It has nothing to do with money, it has to do
with her commitment to follow MMY's teaching and
directions.

Plus which, no TMer who has advanced techniques is
supposed to be telling other people what they are.
Like your mantra, advanced techniques are private
instruction, and when you receive them, you agree to
keep them private. Those who have posted their
advanced techniques here have broken their word.
That's their choice, but not everybody is willing
to take their agreements so lightly.

So you're *way* out of line in a number of different
ways in your harassment of raunchydog.

Just stop it.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1...@... wrote:

 Raunchydog ?
 
  you charge for your children or parents. ? How much did you charge them?
 please answer?
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote:
  
  
   and his son, his daughter, his father. his sister .. a close friend ... ..
 ask to teach you the techniques for them, you ask 2500? you will collect money
 from their children?
  
   you are selfish ... you have no compassion .. you are part of the people 
   who
 do not care about the suffering of the world, you're insensitive ...
  
  
   open your hea, you'll feel better .. and does not cover money from his
 children or his wife .. if they want learn the techniques ok?
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote:
 
 
 
  Raunchydog ?
 
   you charge for your children or parents. ? How much did you charge them?
 please answer?
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote:
   
   
and his son, his daughter, his father. his sister .. a close friend ... 
..
 ask to teach you the techniques for them, you ask 2500? you will collect money
 from their children?
   
you are selfish ... you have no compassion .. you are part of the people
 who do not care about the suffering of the world, you're insensitive ...
   
   
open your hea, you'll feel better .. and does not cover money from his
 children or his wife .. if they want the techniques aprendr ok?
   
   
you'll feel better
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote:



 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote:
 
  Raunchydog
 
  I practice TM-Sidhi daily for 20 years, I am grateful to MMY .. for 
  I
 have learned to transecendental meditation, I agree with you .. transcendental
 meditation I love, my life changed for the better .. I only bow to the 
 knowledge
 that I received ... but I want to learn more ... I looked at what you have
 learned many advanced techniques .. please I beg you to teach me these 
 advanced
 techniques, it will be great for my life ... my email tmer1306@
 

 I don't have Maharishi's blessing to teach advanced techniques. I hope
 your fortunes change for the better. In the meantime, have a peaceful heart 
 and
 be happy.

   
  
 





[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers

2011-01-07 Thread raunchydog
Good grief, Marcio. Give it a rest. Impugning my character isn't winning you 
any points. Maybe you missed it. So I'll repeat slowly: 
Maharishi...has...not...given...me...his...blessing...to teach advanced 
techniques to *anyone* including family and certainly not to you. I'm simply 
honoring my pledge to Maharishi to keep the teaching pure. Get it? I am not 
standing in the way of your happiness. Refusing to teach advanced techniques 
has nothing to do with you and everything to do with my personal realtionship 
with Maharishi and respect for his wishes.

Tom offered you $10 grand. Stop asking him questions about it. Send him your 
name and address, then take the money and run. Preferably, not in my direction. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1...@... wrote:

 
 and his son, his daughter, his father. his sister .. a close friend ... .. 
 ask to teach you the techniques for them, you ask 2500? you will collect 
 money from their children?
 
 you are selfish ... you have no compassion .. you are part of the people who 
 do not care about the suffering of the world, you're insensitive ...
 
 
 open your hea, you'll feel better .. and does not cover money from his 
 children or his wife .. if they want the techniques aprendr ok?
 
 
 you'll feel better
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote:
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote:
  
   Raunchydog 
   
   I practice TM-Sidhi daily for 20 years, I am grateful to MMY .. for I 
   have learned to transecendental meditation, I agree with you .. 
   transcendental meditation I love, my life changed for the better .. I 
   only bow to the knowledge that I received ... but I want to learn more 
   ... I looked at what you have learned many advanced techniques .. please 
   I beg you to teach me these advanced techniques, it will be great for my 
   life ... my email tmer1306@
  
  
  I don't have Maharishi's blessing to teach advanced techniques. I hope your 
  fortunes change for the better. In the meantime, have a peaceful heart and 
  be happy.
 





[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers

2011-01-07 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 fest...@... wrote:
 
 Unfortunately the Movement says inconsistent things
 about the numbers. I have just received the 
 University Report, 2009-2010, which in most respects 
 is a very impressive brochure. However, in the first 
 paragraph of the article on the IA course, the number 
 given for the peace-creating effect is 1,730, not 
 2,000 or 2,500. Looking back over the numbers, from 
 2008 through most of 2010, that number has been 
 attained. But unfortunately there appears to have 
 been no observable peace-creating effect.

I saw an interesting blog post the other day:

-
December 27, 2010 
The State of the World: Not Bad
Posted by Greg Scoblete at 8:20 AM 

According to a new report from the Human Security
Report Project, the number of deaths from armed 
conflicts around the world continues to fall, even 
while intercommunal wars have jumped and other 
conflicts have become increasingly difficult to bring 
to an end. What wars are fought are less lethal, too. 
The average annual battle-death toll per conflict in 
the 1950s killed almost 10,000 people; in the new 
millennium the figure is less than 1,000, the report 
states.

Four of the world's five deadliest conflicts (Iraq, 
Afghanistan, Pakistan and Somalia) involve Islamists 
insurgents and, in some capacity, the United States. 
Although the report notes that: The level of armed 
conflict in Muslim countries is far lower today than 
it was two decades ago, and support for al-Qaeda and 
other radical Islamist groups has declined 
substantially throughout the Muslim world.

So what's behind the move toward a more peaceful 
world? The authors take a stab at an explanation:

The demise of colonialism, the end of the Cold War, a 
dramatic increase in the number of democratic states, 
and a shift in elite attitudes towards warfare are 
among the key political changes that have reduced the 
incidence of international warfare since the end of 
World War II.
 
Equally important, argues Professor Mack, has been 
the dramatic long-term increase in levels of global 
economic interdependence. Interdependence, he says, 
has increased the costs of war while reducing its 
benefits.

The decline in civil wars has rather different 
causes. Since the end of the Cold War, the UN-led 
upsurge of international efforts to negotiate peace 
agreements in ongoing conflicts and to prevent wars 
that have ended from starting again has been 
associated with a significant decline in the number 
of wars fought within states.
-
 
http://www.realclearworld.com/blog/2010/12/the_state_of_the_world.ht
ml

http://tinyurl.com/29m2us2

Here's a link to the study itself:

http://hsrgroup.org/press-room/latest-news/latest-news-view/10-12-02/Canadian_Study_Reports_New_Threats_to_Global_Security_but_Reveals_Encouraging_Long-Term_Trends.aspx

http://tinyurl.com/27lllgn

It strikes me that of the various reasons proposed
above for the decline in world conflict, all except
perhaps global economic interdependence could be
seen as a function of rising consciousness.

And then there's this:

What's Behind America's Falling Crime Rate

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1963761-1,00.html

http://tinyurl.com/ybbs53q

Nobody knows quite why crime has taken such a big drop
since 1990 either. And it isn't happening just in this
country.

I wonder if it's possible that we're not seeing the
forest for the trees.




[FairfieldLife] Re: About Advanced Techniques fertilizers Raunchydog ?

2011-01-07 Thread raunchydog
Hey Ho, Sister! Nice to see you off the bench. Thanks for running interference. 
Touch down! Blessings.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:

 Marcio, just stop. You've left something like nine
 messages now asking the same thing in just a few
 hours, several of them only a couple of minutes apart.
 
 Do you really think raunchydog has nothing to do all
 day but sit in front of her computer just waiting to
 read and reply to your posts the instant they appear?
 
 She drops by the forum from time to time. She may not
 be back for days. If she sees one of your posts the
 next time she's here, she'll probably reply to it
 (although in my opinion you have no business asking
 her personal questions, and she is under no obligation
 to answer them).
 
 As to calling her selfish and saying she has no
 compassion, that's ridiculous. She explained to you
 already why she can't teach you any advanced
 techniques: MMY didn't assign her to teach them. Even
 if you wanted to pay her, she couldn't teach them to
 you. It has nothing to do with money, it has to do
 with her commitment to follow MMY's teaching and
 directions.
 
 Plus which, no TMer who has advanced techniques is
 supposed to be telling other people what they are.
 Like your mantra, advanced techniques are private
 instruction, and when you receive them, you agree to
 keep them private. Those who have posted their
 advanced techniques here have broken their word.
 That's their choice, but not everybody is willing
 to take their agreements so lightly.
 
 So you're *way* out of line in a number of different
 ways in your harassment of raunchydog.
 
 Just stop it.
 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote:
 
  Raunchydog ?
  
   you charge for your children or parents. ? How much did you charge them?
  please answer?
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote:
   
   
and his son, his daughter, his father. his sister .. a close friend ... 
..
  ask to teach you the techniques for them, you ask 2500? you will collect 
  money
  from their children?
   
you are selfish ... you have no compassion .. you are part of the 
people who
  do not care about the suffering of the world, you're insensitive ...
   
   
open your hea, you'll feel better .. and does not cover money from his
  children or his wife .. if they want learn the techniques ok?
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote:
  
  
  
   Raunchydog ?
  
you charge for your children or parents. ? How much did you charge them?
  please answer?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote:


 and his son, his daughter, his father. his sister .. a close friend 
 ... ..
  ask to teach you the techniques for them, you ask 2500? you will collect 
  money
  from their children?

 you are selfish ... you have no compassion .. you are part of the 
 people
  who do not care about the suffering of the world, you're insensitive ...


 open your hea, you'll feel better .. and does not cover money from his
  children or his wife .. if they want the techniques aprendr ok?


 you'll feel better
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ 
 wrote:
 
 
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcio tmer1306@ wrote:
  
   Raunchydog
  
   I practice TM-Sidhi daily for 20 years, I am grateful to MMY .. 
   for I
  have learned to transecendental meditation, I agree with you .. 
  transcendental
  meditation I love, my life changed for the better .. I only bow to the 
  knowledge
  that I received ... but I want to learn more ... I looked at what you have
  learned many advanced techniques .. please I beg you to teach me these 
  advanced
  techniques, it will be great for my life ... my email tmer1306@
  
 
  I don't have Maharishi's blessing to teach advanced techniques. I 
  hope
  your fortunes change for the better. In the meantime, have a peaceful heart 
  and
  be happy.
 

   
  
 





[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dome Numbers

2011-01-07 Thread authfriend

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:
snip

 The State of the World: Not Bad


Here's a chart from the study:

  [20092010Report_Fig1_1_AverageNumberInternationalConflicts.jpg]



[FairfieldLife] The Long Goodbye

2011-01-07 Thread authfriend
I thought we might all enjoy revisiting Barry's
Farewell post from November 11, less than two
months ago:

-
As I see it, there is no need to prolong this figuring
it out period until my birthday. It's a done deal, and
was when I was halfway through writing my Contemplating
Retirement post. Besides, I've always been a fan of the
digital time 11:11 and the date 11/11, so that seems an
appropriate date to sign off.

I'm outa here. So long, and thanks for all the fish.
They have been very tasty.

I have enjoyed my stay, and want to take the opportunity
to especially thank Rick Archer for that enjoyment. I
first ventured here knowing nothing of the place, think-
ing that it was yet another TM echo chamber. I figured
out that it wasn't within 1 or 2 short exchanges, and
stuck around. That was not a bad decision.

Neither was the decision to try to learn from many of
the seekers who post here, even the ones who call them-
selves finders and bristle at the notion that they
are still seeking something. Your thoughts and your
attempts to put them into words have taught me more
than you can ever know. Deep bow.

Individual thanks would be out of place, because I'd
forget people, and that's not nice, even considering
the effects of aging on memory. So I just say thanks
by doing a double backwards somersault through a hoop
while whistling the Star Spangled Banner.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jc6aufHz-i0

Walk well, on whatever path you have chosen for yourself.
And if you can, remember to look up from the path from
time to time to take in the scenery. It's worth seeing.

Jai and away,

TurquoiseB
Turq
Uncle Tantra
Unc
Barry
whatever




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