[FairfieldLife] Re: Is yoga Vedic?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: Sjoman Pronounce: ~ shirmun! (NOT s-joe-man!) :o has excerpted the gymnastics manual that was available to Krishnamacharya. He claims that many of the gymnastic techniques from
[FairfieldLife] Groups As Immunization From Self-Analysis
As Bhairitu has pointed out, I tend to think of weird shit while out walking. He doesn't, having immunized himself against it by jacking in to music. Me, I really *like* the free flow of thoughts that runs through my head when out walking alone, or with my dogs. This morning's rap is about one such train of thought. I got to thinking about groups, and how human beings like to clump together into groups. Be they groups defined by nationality or location, political beliefs, religious beliefs, social status, or whatever, humans tend to *identify* a lot with the groups they perceive themselves as being part of. I don't. When someone asks me to tell them who I am, I usually say something like, I'm a human being, and leave it at that. Some then press me to supply them with a group name that I identify with, so that they can more easily bag me. I usually refuse. I'm really NOT an American living in Europe, or a Liberal, or a Buddhist, or *any* of those kinds of groups. I'm an individual, not defined by what any group believes or fails to believe. Well, this morning I got to thinking about how people who DO identify with groups tend to use that identifica- tion as a kind of protective mechanism to immunize themselves from ever having to analyze and deal with the kinds of things they believe. They clump together into groups of people who all believe the same things because (on one level) if you do this, all you ever hear echoed back to you from the people in your group are the things you already believe. *Everybody* in the group believes them, so you never have to deal with the beliefs themselves, and the fact that many of them, if examined critically, are laughable. Take Scientologists. My bet is that many of them, espec- ially at the higher levels of the Co$, tend to clump together *so that* they don't ever have to analyze and deal with the fact that they believe that a guy named Xenu, dictator of the Galactic Confederacy, brought billions of his people to Earth 75 million years ago in a spacecraft, stacked them around volcanoes, and killed them using hydrogen bombs. The essences of these people remain as body thetans, and these essences form around people in modern times, causing them physical and spiritual harm. Ludicrous. Laughable. Say this to anyone else, and they would consider having you fitted for a straight jacket. But if you hang out only in a group of upper-level Scientologists, no one ever *has* to say it. You just all assume it. Thus none of you ever have to *deal with* how ludicrous and laughable the things you believe are. Now take TMers. On one level, I think that *they* clump together in TMO echo chamber groups so that they never have to deal with the things they believe, too. They don't have to analyze the fact that they not only believed that they could FLY, they paid thousands of dollars to learn how, and have been marching like H.G. Wells' Eloi into a big dome twice a day, where they actually use their muscle power to bounce around on their butts, considering this the first stage of FLYING. They believe, furthermore, that doing this makes their thoughts (and I quote, from recent TM dogma) 10,000 times more powerful than the thoughts of ordinary people. SO powerful, in fact, that by doing this butt-bouncing they are single-handedly saving the world, and bringing about world peace. Many of the people in this TM group actually believe that entering a building from the wrong direction can majorly fuck up their lives. Many of them believe that the person who started their group was perfect, and incapable of doing no wrong. Some of them, convinced that they have attained the goal espoused by this teacher, believe that *they* are incapable of doing any possible wrong. Some who *don't* claim to have reached this goal believe this anyway, because they believe -- contrary to the evidence of their own senses -- that they are not the doers of their actions. Something/somebody else does them all. Ludicrous. Laughable. Straight jacket material. But no one who *stays* within the protected, echo chamber group ever has to deal with *how* ludicrous the things they believe are, by most people on the planet's stand- ards. They never get to hear the laughter, or deal with being laughed at. Staying within the group has in a very real sense innoculated them against self-analysis, and having to *assess* the things they believe in. There is no need, because pretty much everyone in their group believes the same things. And then some of these people find their way *out* of the group, with its tight controls on what can be said and not said, what can be read and not read, and defin- itely what and who can be laughed at and not laughed at, and they find their way to a free speech zone like Fairfield Life. And then the shit hits the fan. Many who have spent most of their lives innoculating themselves against self-analysis and an examination of the
[FairfieldLife] Well, dehaahaMkaaraabhaava? Part 1
Here's the third sentence of Bhojadeva's comment on YS II 47 (prayatna-shaithilyaananta-samaapattibhyaam): yadaa caakaashaadigata aanantye cetasaH samaapattiH kriyate 'vyavadhaanena tadaatmyamaapadyate tadaa dehaahaMkaaraabhaavaan naasanaM duHkhajanakaM bhavati | (Attempt at sandhi-vigraha: yadaa ca+aakaasha+aadi-gate/-gataH(?)[1] aanantye cetasaH samaapattiH kriyate; avyavadhaanena tadaa+aatmyam aapadyate tadaa deha+ahaMkaara+abhaavaat; na+aasanaM duHkha-janakaM bhavati | ) 1. Both are possible, but the locative singular (-gate) seems to me way more likely to be the correct one, as it appears to be an adjective attribute governed(?) by 'aanantye'.
[FairfieldLife] Video of an enormous gasbag spouting off
How many read the Subject line and thought it was a video of Judy? Fess up, now. :-) It's not. It's a video from NASA of that other gasbag, the sun, spouting off in an enormous solar flare. http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/sunearth/news/News022411-monsterprom.html Way cool. Or hot, depending on where you're standing.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Video of an enormous gasbag spouting off
So, it's all about Judy. turquoiseb: How many read the Subject line and thought it was a video of Judy...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Would it be so bad if Maharishi was just a guy?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@... wrote: Well put. It isn't, and never was, a situation that could simply be labeled good or bad'. I still do TM in the morning, love it and thank MMY for it. Me, too. But I find some of the things he did...some known by many and some that must remain quiet for a bit longer, frankly horrifying. There's more? I think asking the questions and having the discussions is incredibly healthy and useful for many, certainly for me. For me, too. I think it especially helps those of us who were right in the middle of things for some time, devoted years and money to it all, and then who saw and heard the garbage parts but still got and get something amazing out of TM. This same pattern applies to lots of religious groups or intense social endeavors where a big personality runs the show. But it seems we all personalize our own experience and need to hear about and talk about it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Flatley untilbeyond@ wrote: It's really the contraditions and hypocracy that take time to fathom. Ultimately questions have more value than answers.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Groups As Immunization From Self-Analysis
turquoiseb: When someone asks me to tell them who I am, I usually say something like... So, you're in the Amsterdam dog-walking to take a poop group. I don't. When someone asks me to tell them who I am, I usually say something like, I'm a human being, and leave it at that. Some then press me to supply them with a group name that I identify with, so that they can more easily bag me. You are a dog-poop scooper - the plastic bag in your hand should make it pretty easy to bag you. LoL!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Groups As Immunization From Self-Analysis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: As Bhairitu has pointed out, I tend to think of weird shit while out walking. He doesn't, having immunized himself against it by jacking in to music. Me, I really *like* the free flow of thoughts that runs through my head when out walking alone, or with my dogs. This morning's rap is about one such train of thought. I got to thinking about groups, and how human beings like to clump together into groups. Be they groups defined by nationality or location, political beliefs, religious beliefs, social status, or whatever, humans tend to *identify* a lot with the groups they perceive themselves as being part of. I don't. When someone asks me to tell them who I am, I usually say something like, I'm a human being, and leave it at that. Some then press me to supply them with a group name that I identify with, so that they can more easily bag me. I usually refuse. I'm really NOT an American living in Europe, or a Liberal, or a Buddhist, or *any* of those kinds of groups. I'm an individual, not defined by what any group believes or fails to believe. Well, this morning I got to thinking about how people who DO identify with groups tend to use that identifica- tion as a kind of protective mechanism to immunize themselves from ever having to analyze and deal with the kinds of things they believe. They clump together into groups of people who all believe the same things because (on one level) if you do this, all you ever hear echoed back to you from the people in your group are the things you already believe. *Everybody* in the group believes them, so you never have to deal with the beliefs themselves, and the fact that many of them, if examined critically, are laughable. Take Scientologists. My bet is that many of them, espec- ially at the higher levels of the Co$, tend to clump together *so that* they don't ever have to analyze and deal with the fact that they believe that a guy named Xenu, dictator of the Galactic Confederacy, brought billions of his people to Earth 75 million years ago in a spacecraft, stacked them around volcanoes, and killed them using hydrogen bombs. The essences of these people remain as body thetans, and these essences form around people in modern times, causing them physical and spiritual harm. Ludicrous. Laughable. Say this to anyone else, and they would consider having you fitted for a straight jacket. But if you hang out only in a group of upper-level Scientologists, no one ever *has* to say it. You just all assume it. Thus none of you ever have to *deal with* how ludicrous and laughable the things you believe are. Now take TMers. On one level, I think that *they* clump together in TMO echo chamber groups so that they never have to deal with the things they believe, too. They don't have to analyze the fact that they not only believed that they could FLY, they paid thousands of dollars to learn how, and have been marching like H.G. Wells' Eloi into a big dome twice a day, where they actually use their muscle power to bounce around on their butts, considering this the first stage of FLYING. They believe, furthermore, that doing this makes their thoughts (and I quote, from recent TM dogma) 10,000 times more powerful than the thoughts of ordinary people. SO powerful, in fact, that by doing this butt-bouncing they are single-handedly saving the world, and bringing about world peace. Many of the people in this TM group actually believe that entering a building from the wrong direction can majorly fuck up their lives. Many of them believe that the person who started their group was perfect, and incapable of doing no wrong. Some of them, convinced that they have attained the goal espoused by this teacher, believe that *they* are incapable of doing any possible wrong. Some who *don't* claim to have reached this goal believe this anyway, because they believe -- contrary to the evidence of their own senses -- that they are not the doers of their actions. Something/somebody else does them all. Well, it seems to me that there is a lot of research into the brain these days, specifically finding out what gives rise to that sense of self we have, to consciousness. This is being done by genuine mainstream scientists, not spiritual orgs. And some of what they are finding suggests a reason for that sense of witnessing or autopilot experience that is induced by meditation. I really really wish I could be around for another 100 years to follow this research. How amazing it will be. Should this concept actually be true, it does not mean we walk around given a free pass on our thoughts and actions, since we are living with the feeling of being in charge. But it could put some sort of different slant on how to treat (as in fix or put in prison) people who have some major malfunctions in
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is yoga Vedic?
vajradhatu: Re: Is yoga Vedic? According to Frawley and Kak, the Vedic culture dates back thousands of years in South India. There is evidence from the excavated sites at Harrapa in the Indus Valley that indicate that the practice of yoga was widespread there by 2400 BCE, long before the advent of the Buddha Sakya the Muni (463 BCE), the first historical yogin. So, the yoga tradition is at least 5,000 years old in India. According to Frawley, the Sankrit speakers came out on India and migrated by a process of diffusion into Iran and into Europe. Eliade says that South Asia was the original home of the yoga tradition, and that yoga is a unique contribution to self-culture made by the indogenous Indians. Read more: Subject: Vedic Civ. 103 Author: Willytex Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: November 2, 2001 http://tinyurl.com/4hwgjq2 Subject: David Frawley Interview From: Willytex Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: September 13, 2000 http://tinyurl.com/4uozzly
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Would it be so bad if Maharishi was just a guy?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote: I think asking the questions and having the discussions is incredibly healthy and useful for many, certainly for me. For me, too. I think it especially helps those of us who were right in the middle of things for some time, devoted years and money to it all, and then who saw and heard the garbage parts but still got and get something amazing out of TM. That's sorta the magic of it all, isn't it? No matter how weird it got, we managed to get something amazing out of it. I honestly attribute that more to the base- line hopefulness of the individuals involved than to the organization they might have been involved with. This same pattern applies to lots of religious groups or intense social endeavors where a big personality runs the show. But it seems we all personalize our own experience and need to hear about and talk about it. Hear hear. I would not be surprised if it turned out there is a chat-based support group, not all that dissimilar to FFL, for ex-Microsoft employees. Or for the former cabinet and appointees of any US President in recent time. Or for former Vatican insiders who no longer are...for their own reasons, or for those of others. Being able to talk about it is the genius of Rick's site, and its strength, and its value. It's a kind of cyberconfessional for good Catholic TMers. Many of us, as you say, paid our dues. And we either are still hangin' in there *still* paying our dues, or we're not. No harm, no foul either way, in my book. Everyone is an individual, and has his or her own take on the spiritual process. But whichever path we took through the process of deciding to remain on the path or strike out on our own with regard to TM and Maharishi, many of us have been through that process. That process is life-changing. It's good to be able to talk about it with others who have similarly changed their lives, somewhere along the line. Those who never have? Not so much fun to talk with, on the whole.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 1:00 AM, gullible fool ffl...@yahoo.com wrote: I did not know initiators were given a number. The movement continues to fascinate, though I left it all in 2002 for VortexHealing. I'm a citizen sidha and I have a number. At least National Field badge has a number. I don't know if the number is used as when you go to DEVCO you're asked for your SSN.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool fflmod@... wrote: The movement continues to fascinate, though I left it all in 2002 for VortexHealing. So you know Ric Weinman? If you meet him, greet him from me, he is an old friend of mine. He told me about the vortex once in a restaurant, when he just had received it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is yoga Vedic?
Not as Old as You Think Doesn't matter. vajradhatu: Well, it would depend on whether or not being told the truth is important or not to you. The truth is that you have submitted zero evidence to prove that yoga is not Vedic. Apparently the report you cited was never peer-reviewed in any historical journal. Go figure. According to David Frawley, the Vedas are replete with references to symbolic and actual human interface issues such as yogic spiritual knowledge. Says Frawley: The Saraswati is not only a real river that has been mythologized, it also has an inner meaning. The Saraswati, like the later Ganges, symbolizes the Sushumna, the river of spiritual knowledge, the current that flows through the chakras of the subtle body. The Saraswati is the Milky Way or the River of Heaven. Many religions have such a sacred river in their symbolism. Saraswati is mentioned numerous times in the Rig Veda. On which was located the ancient Indus Civilization, in the Saraswati fertile valley, perhaps the first great civilization on the entire planet. David Frawley puts Indo-European speaking people, i.e., 'Sanskrit' speakers in India as early as 6,000 BCE. That's a long time ago, way before the Vedas! Could Frawlry be right, that pre-historical farmers in India have diffused their agricultural and linguistic lifestyle throughout the Middle East and Northern Europe instead of the other way around? Read more: Subject: Aryan Invasion Theory Author: Willytex Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: April 7, 2002 http://tinyurl.com/4u5ley9 Work cited: 'Gods, Sages, and Kings' Vedic Secrets of Ancient Civilization by David Frawley Passsage Press, 1991 p. 219
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count
I did not know initiators were given a number... You are obviously NOT an initiator, or you got kicked out of the TMO because you sucked as a spiritual teacher! Tom Pall: I'm a citizen sidha and I have a number... All TMers have a number - I'm TM meditator number 314 in the USA, according to Beaulah Smith. There is a list kept by the TMO that contains all the names and numbers of every initiator that is in good standing with the TMO and would be allowed inside one of the Golden Domes of Pure Knowledge. I have seen this list at the Maharishi Dome at Radiance, Texas.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Groups As Immunization From Self-Analysis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: As Bhairitu has pointed out, I tend to think of weird shit while out walking. He doesn't, having immunized himself against it by jacking in to music. Me, I really *like* the free flow of thoughts that runs through my head when out walking alone, or with my dogs. This morning's rap is about one such train of thought. I got to thinking about groups, and how human beings like to clump together into groups. Be they groups defined by nationality or location, political beliefs, religious beliefs, social status, or whatever, humans tend to *identify* a lot with the groups they perceive themselves as being part of. I don't. When someone asks me to tell them who I am, I usually say something like, I'm a human being, and leave it at that. Some then press me to supply them with a group name that I identify with, so that they can more easily bag me. I usually refuse. I'm really NOT an American living in Europe, or a Liberal, or a Buddhist, or *any* of those kinds of groups. I'm an individual, not defined by what any group believes or fails to believe. Well, this morning I got to thinking about how people who DO identify with groups tend to use that identifica- tion as a kind of protective mechanism to immunize themselves from ever having to analyze and deal with the kinds of things they believe. They clump together into groups of people who all believe the same things because (on one level) if you do this, all you ever hear echoed back to you from the people in your group are the things you already believe. *Everybody* in the group believes them, so you never have to deal with the beliefs themselves, and the fact that many of them, if examined critically, are laughable. Take Scientologists. My bet is that many of them, espec- ially at the higher levels of the Co$, tend to clump together *so that* they don't ever have to analyze and deal with the fact that they believe that a guy named Xenu, dictator of the Galactic Confederacy, brought billions of his people to Earth 75 million years ago in a spacecraft, stacked them around volcanoes, and killed them using hydrogen bombs. The essences of these people remain as body thetans, and these essences form around people in modern times, causing them physical and spiritual harm. Ludicrous. Laughable. Say this to anyone else, and they would consider having you fitted for a straight jacket. But if you hang out only in a group of upper-level Scientologists, no one ever *has* to say it. You just all assume it. Thus none of you ever have to *deal with* how ludicrous and laughable the things you believe are. Now take TMers. On one level, I think that *they* clump together in TMO echo chamber groups so that they never have to deal with the things they believe, too. They don't have to analyze the fact that they not only believed that they could FLY, they paid thousands of dollars to learn how, and have been marching like H.G. Wells' Eloi into a big dome twice a day, where they actually use their muscle power to bounce around on their butts, considering this the first stage of FLYING. They believe, furthermore, that doing this makes their thoughts (and I quote, from recent TM dogma) 10,000 times more powerful than the thoughts of ordinary people. SO powerful, in fact, that by doing this butt-bouncing they are single-handedly saving the world, and bringing about world peace. Many of the people in this TM group actually believe that entering a building from the wrong direction can majorly fuck up their lives. Many of them believe that the person who started their group was perfect, and incapable of doing no wrong. Some of them, convinced that they have attained the goal espoused by this teacher, believe that *they* are incapable of doing any possible wrong. Some who *don't* claim to have reached this goal believe this anyway, because they believe -- contrary to the evidence of their own senses -- that they are not the doers of their actions. Something/somebody else does them all. Well, it seems to me that there is a lot of research into the brain these days, specifically finding out what gives rise to that sense of self we have, to consciousness. This is being done by genuine mainstream scientists, not spiritual orgs. And some of what they are finding suggests a reason for that sense of witnessing or autopilot experience that is induced by meditation. I really really wish I could be around for another 100 years to follow this research. How amazing it will be. I agree. I have personally experienced both Not the doer and Very fucking much the doer, thank you consciousness. I regard them both as the transitory,
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count
The movement continues to fascinate, though I left it all in 2002 for VortexHealing... blusc0ut: So you know Ric Weinman? If you meet him, greet him from me, he is an old friend of mine. He told me about the vortex once in a restaurant, when he just had received it... ...studying a form of energy healing that is deep enough to re-wire the brain, change the sound of musical instruments, release deep karmic issues, and prepare the person energy system for the reality of spiritual awakening... Quackometer: http://www.quackometer.net/?suspectquack=Ric+Weinman
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@... wrote: The movement continues to fascinate, though I left it all in 2002 for VortexHealing... blusc0ut: So you know Ric Weinman? If you meet him, greet him from me, he is an old friend of mine. He told me about the vortex once in a restaurant, when he just had received it... ...studying a form of energy healing that is deep enough to re-wire the brain, change the sound of musical instruments, release deep karmic issues, and prepare the person energy system for the reality of spiritual awakening... Quackometer: http://www.quackometer.net/?suspectquack=Ric+Weinman 7 Canards This name appears on web sites with serious amounts Quackery! Quackometer for Maharishi Mahesh Yogi: http://www.quackometer.net/?suspectquack=maharishi+mahesh+yogi 6 Canards This name appears on web sites with serious amounts Quackery! Go figure!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool fflmod@ wrote: The movement continues to fascinate, though I left it all in 2002 for VortexHealing. So you know Ric Weinman? If you meet him, greet him from me, he is an old friend of mine. He told me about the vortex once in a restaurant, when he just had received it. I remember Ric, as a nice and funny guy. We had lots of talks together in the past. When I told him about the Veda, he said, 'In know Darth Vader', yeah. I think he is from the Galactic Confederation.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Questions for Vaj
Do I want to get in the middle of the Judy/Barry wars? Thanks for the invite, but no, I'll pass on that. authfriend: Sheesh. You can't even stiffen your spine enough to say, Well, one difference is that he refuses to acknowledge ever being mean or intolerant, even on occasion: Spineless backer of everything Barry says, mean and very intolerant, on many occasions, sort of just like Barry is.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Questions for Vaj
On Feb 27, 2011, at 12:25 AM, seventhray1 wrote: Joe, let me just say, that it's nice to have you on board. People like me stay no matter what. And that's probably not a strength, but a symptom of addictive tendencies I tend to display. But I observe that others will come to the conclusion, depending on different circumstances, who needs this shit. But I hope you'll stay around. I second that~~hope you won't let this latest garbage drive you away, Joe. Judy Stein referring to anyone else as mean is just one more sign of impending insanity, IMO. Every day she proves why the label Junkyard Dog fits so well. Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Groups As Immunization From Self-Analysis
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 8:22 AM, turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote: I agree. I have personally experienced both Not the doer and Very fucking much the doer, thank you consciousness. Why does there have to be so much fowl language, so much anger? Who is Berry angry at? And he wonders why many of us take umbridge with his posts. How many others here continuously post like this? Barry says we attack him? Why would that be? I don't care what Barry's trying to say here. We all post very divergent things. His tone is different that other posters. And I don't like his tone, though he'll probably post something saying if you're too sensitive to be a member here, don't read his f*ckin posts, not unlike the post he made when I asked people to change the subject of a post when they hijacked the thread, i.e. changed the subject of the tread.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Would it be so bad if Maharishi was just a guy?
Walking my dogs this morning, I think I found a new way to look at this seemingly eternal... blusc0ut: Now, if Barry just would have done japa... Or, even bothered to meditate *before* walking his dogs. while walking his dogs, instead pondering about things TMO or FFL, he couldn't have enriched our lives with all those many morning posts... Barry's posts are all about Judy, not about the TMO or FFL - they're not even about his dogs. Just sayin... So, it's probably pretty overwhelming at times to be caring for two or three dogs while living in the city in a walk-up apartment above a pot-shop or a brothel.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Groups As Immunization From Self-Analysis
I agree. I have personally experienced both Not the doer and Very fucking much the doer, thank you consciousness... Tom Pall: Why does there have to be so much fowl language, so much anger? Who is Berry angry at? Barry is probably just angry with himself. Unlike Tom, Barry probably never went to school to learn Oracle and basic programming. Barry probably can't get a good paying job in the states at his age, so he's kind of stuck over there doing user manuals with screen shots. What Barry should have done is gone into management and left the programming to the young kids working for Mark Zuckerberg. That way, Barry could have been reaching retirement now with a nest-egg to retire on. As it is, it's doubtful the Amsterdam Barry will even qualify for U.S. Social Security. So, Barry is not only angry, but probably feeling kind of desperate as well, judging by his recent posts - reaching out for help on the internet. Some people just feel better when they have someone to talk to.
[FairfieldLife] Fwd: Check out Herman Cain: A Long Shot in 2012, but That's Not Stopping Him
A good even superior speaker articulate a TEA party person. We in the party like him. very very long shot 4 President but could liven the primaries be spokes person for us. He as well is NOT MAD or even angry but articulate as most of us are but no longer silent now heard. From: wle...@aol.com To: wle...@aol.com Sent: 2/27/2011 10:31:11 A.M. Eastern Standard Time Subj: Check out Herman Cain: A Long Shot in 2012, but Thatapos;s Not Stopping Him _Herman Cain: A Long Shot in 2012, but That's Not Stopping Him_ (http://www.politicsdaily.com/2011/02/24/herman-cain-a-long-shot-in-2012-but-thats-not- stopping-him/?icid=main|htmlws-main-w|dl2|sec1_lnk3|203676)
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From: wle...@aol.com Reply-to: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: 2/27/2011 10:35:16 A.M. Eastern Standard Time Subj: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Check out Herman Cain: A Long Shot in 2012, but Thatapos;s Not Stopping Him A good even superior speaker articulate a TEA party person. We in the party like him. very very long shot 4 President but could liven the primaries be spokes person for us. He as well is NOT MAD or even angry but articulate as most of us are but no longer silent now heard. From: wle...@aol.com To: wle...@aol.com Sent: 2/27/2011 10:31:11 A.M. Eastern Standard Time Subj: Check out Herman Cain: A Long Shot in 2012, but Thatapos;s Not Stopping Him _Herman Cain: A Long Shot in 2012, but That's Not Stopping Him_ (http://www.politicsdaily.com/2011/02/24/herman-cain-a-long-shot-in-2012-but-thats-not- stopping-him/?icid=main|htmlws-main-w|dl2|sec1_lnk3|203676)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Would it be so bad if Maharishi was just a guy?
As another attempt to give *reality* another shot as common ground here, this is what I wrote about your recent dramatic whining about being attacked - lol: Turq has been an unremitting jerk to many on here for awhile; insulting and intolerant. People grow tired of it and this is the result. It would be the same if any of us acted that way. Has nothing at all to do with TM or whether or not the gunas act invisibly or whether or not Maharishi is enlightened. Turq is just being a mean jerk and this is the result. What did he expect, accolades? :-) Face it dude, you are an average guy with a negative fixation on the TMO, probably masking other issues within you that you don't want to face - no problem here, but you will always get what is due you - nothing personal. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Given the desperation with which me bringing up this subject was demonized yesterday, I think I'll bring it up again today. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberation@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: What I think is going on there is a form of the Enlightened Cootie Theory. That is, If I can convince people that the teacher I spent time with was 'way high, and emanated enlightened cooties, maybe they'll think that some of those cooties jumped onto me, and that I have them, too. :-), but I'm also perfectly serious. I think that the main reason seekers have such an attachment to their teachers being enlightened, or the highest or the bestest is that such seekers don't have much going for themselves, and judge their own lives and accomplishments in terms of their proximity to someone better, someone enlightened. In other words, I see the behavior you describe in Bevan and Hagelin as a groupie thang. I'm important because I got to hang with Elvis. I'm important because I got to hang with Maharishi. The higher the pedestal they can put Elvis or Maharishi on, the higher they think their own pedestal is. But it doesn't work that way. Yes, I think we can both agree that there is a lot of nervousness and inconfidence in people as to whether or not they're on the right path, so they have to claim their religious figure as the ultimate or supreme one to follow. Christians do it with Jesus, Hindus/Muslims the same way with Krishna/Mohammed, etc And TMers do it with Maharishi. They just don't like to *admit* that they do it with Maharishi. :-) When it comes down to it, people don't have the will power to learn or find truth, so they settle for finding someone who they think has it and center their life around that instead. Exactly. And then when that person kicks the bucket, they often become even *more* centered on them. Look at the gushing over-the-topness of Bevan describing Maharishi as in heaven, and higher than any of the saints. Look at the compulsive defense of Maharishi as enlightened that goes on here on FFL. The only problem is that they need others to follow along with them, otherwise doubt eventually creeps in as to whether or not they made the right choice. I think that's why I see so many people inviting me to their church. I don't see truth in them, I see anxiety. I have *always* assumed that those who prosyletize their beliefs the most are the ones with the most doubts. It's like they use converting others as a cover for convincing themselves. It's like converts are their green stamps. The more converts they get, the more their doubt subsides. :-) Speaking of anxiety, I found the use yesterday of the word dittoheads fascinating, because that word to me describes exactly what is going on for people in this mindset. They are desperate to recruit people to *agree* with them, and equally desperate to demonize those who disagree with them. Just look at how Judy fawns over those who pile on to her get Barry posts, and *at the same time* calls those who don't pile on dittoheads. I guess people are only dittoheads if they agree with or don't mind someone Judy hates, someone on her Enemies List. If they agree with her, they're merely right. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Groups As Immunization From Self-Analysis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: As Bhairitu has pointed out, I tend to think of weird shit while out walking. He doesn't, having immunized himself against it by jacking in to music. Me, I really *like* the free flow of thoughts that runs through my head when out walking alone, or with my dogs. This morning's rap is about one such train of thought. An *incoherent* train of thought. Partway through, the first train of thought collides with a *different* one, and from that point on it's just one humongous train wreck. snip OK, we know Barry is including me in the group he's about to describe because of the reference a couple of paragraphs down: some have been trying to make these dissenting voices go away for a decade and a half. The precision of that figure is the tell; Barry and I first encountered each other on alt.m.t in 1995. I'm the only person on FFL to whom that figure applies. So I'm going to comment on what follows as if Barry were applying it to me. And then some of these people find their way *out* of the group, with its tight controls on what can be said and not said, what can be read and not read, and defin- itely what and who can be laughed at and not laughed at, I was never *in* the group to the extent that I was subject to this kind of control. I never worried about what I could say or read or laugh at. Unlike Barry, I was laughing at the TMO from the start. and they find their way to a free speech zone like Fairfield Life. And then the shit hits the fan. Actually I found my way to the free speech zone called alt.m.t, as noted, in 1995. Many who have spent most of their lives innoculating themselves against self-analysis and an examination of the things they believe are suddenly forced to do so. And they don't *like* it. Actually that's *why* I joined alt.m.t, to see what challenges there might be to my views on TM. I'd done plenty of self-analysis and examination of those views in the 20 years since I had learned TM, but I wanted to hear what others had to say. But if I didn't like the experience of hearing them, as Barry claims, it's a little odd that I'd have stuck around on alt.m.t almost continuously until 2006, when I switched over to *another* free speech zone, FFL. (I also participated in three other free speech zones, the Yahoo groups TM News and TM Controversy--now pretty much defunct--as well as, for a while, TM-Free, John Knapp's blog. Some of them don't like it so much that they demonize those whose differing opinions seem to be inviting them *to* self-analyze, and try to insult them and *make them go away*. Fascinatingly, some have been trying to make these dissenting voices go away for a decade and a half, I haven't been trying to make Barry go away. I'd be happier if he did, because the discussion (pro and con) on FFL is so much more pleasant and interesting when he's not around. But I don't kid myself that there's anything I can do to make him go away. and have so little ability to self- assess that they don't even recognize that their tactic *is not working*. The person or persons who don't belong in the little echo chamber group they're trying to keep pure and free from self-analysis Oooopsie. Barry's forgotten that he was talking about the free speech group, not the echo chamber group. From here on, he demonizes the TMers here *as if they were still in the echo chamber group*, so nothing he says makes any sense. This is the train wreck I referred to above. are still there, still making waves, still encouraging them to self-assess. This drives some of them so fuckin' crazy that they obsess more and more on these heretics, these non-members of the group. Who exactly does Barry imagine were the non-members of alt.m.t, and now of FFL? He's gotten all tangled up in his rhetoric, so intent on his demonizations that he can't remember what he was saying even at the beginning of the paragraph, let alone at the beginning of the post. Some go so far as to spend the *majority* of their posts -- for years -- trying to get the people whose writings are doing nothing more than urging others to examine the things that they believe. Actually, only a very few people, and not because they're urging others to examine the things that they believe--plenty of others here are doing that without being subject to being gotten--but because those few are rotten human beings who behave badly no matter what the topic is. Odd, if you ask me. That's one reason I avoid groups of any kind. Who wants that kind of close-mindedness? Who, even, would be so averse to self-analysis and examination of the things they believe as to even *want* to surround themselves with nothing but people who believe the same things they do? Give me variety, or give me death. Some obviously prefer death, at least the death of rational thought. He's still all tangled up. Who would stay around alt.m.t
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Groups As Immunization From Self-Analysis
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 9:31 AM, WillyTex willy...@yahoo.com wrote: Barry is probably just angry with himself. Barry probably can't get a good paying job in the states at his age, so he's kind of stuck over there doing user manuals with screen shots. What Barry should have done is gone into management and left the programming to the young kids working for Mark Zuckerberg. That way, Barry could have been reaching retirement now with a nest-egg to retire on. As it is, it's doubtful the Amsterdam Barry will even qualify for U.S. Social Security. So, Barry is not only angry, but probably feeling kind of desperate as well, judging by his recent posts - reaching out for help on the internet. Some people just feel better when they have someone to talk to. Interesting that Barry should decide to become an expat. That means he's not subject to loads of US taxes. Further, interesting that he should up and decide to move far north into a welfare state country. In three years he'll be able to take full advantage of all the benefits offered by that country. Why else would he move to the land of the midnight sun and the eternal dark of Winter?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Would it be so bad if Maharishi was just a guy?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Given the desperation with which me bringing up this subject was demonized yesterday Ooopsie. Nobody demonized you for bringing up this subject. You were criticized for having bet the previous evening that you never made mean or intolerant posts (which was ludicrous on its face), then making one the very next morning that demonized folks who believed their teacher was enlightened in commenting on a response to your first Just a Guy post: I think that the main reason seekers have such an attachment to their teachers being enlightened, or 'the highest' or 'the bestest' is that such seekers don't have much going for themselves, and judge their own lives and accomplishments in terms of their proximity to someone 'better,' someone enlightened. snip Exactly. And then when that person kicks the bucket, they often become even *more* centered on them. Look at the gushing over-the-topness of Bevan describing Maharishi as in heaven, and higher than any of the saints. Look at the compulsive defense of Maharishi as enlightened that goes on here on FFL. Interesting that even when invited to speak up by your original Just a Guy post, exactly nobody compulsively defended MMY as enlightened. Nobody. snip Speaking of anxiety, I found the use yesterday of the word dittoheads fascinating, because that word to me describes exactly what is going on for people in this mindset. They are desperate to recruit people to *agree* with them, and equally desperate to demonize those who disagree with them. Actually, dittoheads describes those who reflexively agree with somebody without thinking, even when what they say is ridiculous on its face. Barry's the only person on FFL who has dittoheads. Just look at how Judy fawns over those who pile on to her get Barry posts, Has anybody but Barry perceived me to be fawning over those who concur with my criticisms of Barry? and *at the same time* calls those who don't pile on dittoheads. I guess people are only dittoheads if they agree with or don't mind someone Judy hates, someone on her Enemies List. If they agree with her, they're merely right. :-) See the definition of dittoheads above. (And I don't have an enemies list. That's Barry's game.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Groups As Immunization From Self-Analysis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@... wrote: snip Should this concept actually be true, it does not mean we walk around given a free pass on our thoughts and actions, since we are living with the feeling of being in charge. snip Exactly. As those on this site have said often, if you are in this st of consciousness where you feel in charge (plain old vanilla waking state), then you function from that state entirely. Pretending otherwise is ridiculous. Precisely. Not sure why this is so hard for some to understand. And even if you're walking around some altered state where you feel like you're on autopilot, you are *still* responsible for what you do and say, *because* you're walking around in the relative. *Nobody* gets a free pass, no matter what state of consciousness they're in.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Groups As Immunization From Self-Analysis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: snip You've hinted (if I remember correctly) several times here about studies that indicate that there is a detectable time lag between the moment in which one decides (or not decides) to do something, and the moment in which they become aware of it. I've read some of these studies, and as far as I can tell, all that they indicate is that there is a time lag between the moment in which one is capable of having a thought, and the moment in which they *become aware* that they are having a thought. There was nothing in the study designs I saw that would indicate either determinism or free will, nothing that indicated that the thoughts themselves were predetermined. Barry's largely correct on this point, in that the Libet and subsequent studies do not prove determinism, or the absence of free will. That's just one possible conclusion suggested by the data, but it's a tremendously complex topic with a lot of unknowns. (One correction: It isn't necessarily a matter of having a thought before becoming aware of it; it's the appearance on EEG of what's called readiness potential, which may or may not constitute an unconscious or subconscious thought *per se*.) Wikipedia has a very good, detailed article on the issue: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroscience_of_free_will [wayback:] As those on this site have said often, if you are in this st of consciousness where you feel in charge (plain old vanilla waking state), then you function from that state entirely. Pretending otherwise is ridiculous. Straight jacket material ridiculous. Nobody on FL has said anything other than what wayback just noted; many of us have attempted to explain it to Barry as she has. And yet Barry has made at least a dozen posts ridiculing those he thinks believe in an idea they all find as absurd as he does, because he doesn't understand the implications of determinism. He thinks if one believes in determinism, one *must* pretend one isn't responsible for one's actions, which is, of course, not the case at all--to the contrary. snip So, bottom line is we condemn those who do things we don't approve of, those who hurt others. Or, maybe, we just don't. We allow them to say such stuff and then fuckin' let them Live With It. We stay out of the shit, and allow them to try to justify the stuff they've said as much as they feel compelled to do. One might suggest to Barry that he try practicing what he preaches. And along with that, stop his constant attempts to hurt those he disagrees with.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Questions for Vaj
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@... wrote: Do I want to get in the middle of the Judy/Barry wars? Thanks for the invite, but no, I'll pass on that. authfriend: Sheesh. You can't even stiffen your spine enough to say, Well, one difference is that he refuses to acknowledge ever being mean or intolerant, even on occasion: Spineless backer of everything Barry says, mean and very intolerant, on many occasions, sort of just like Barry is. Disagree. Joe is far more thoughtful, far more tolerant, and far more respectful than Barry. He just has a big blind spot where Barry's deficiencies are concerned.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Questions for Vaj
Thanks Steve. I kind of come and go here depending on whether anything of interest to me is being discussed or not. For quite some time, I threw insults here with the best (or worst) of them. Last year, at some point during a particularly heated exchange that I was reading, but not participating in, it just hit me how predictable and boring much of this had become. I stopped throwing the bombs, and apologized to a few here (including Judy) for having done so. I stopped reading WillyTex's posts (other than to occasionally see them in other people's posts) since I had become bored with imitating his routine in posts back to him. Since then I've tried to keep make my comments on a more civil way, but I'm sure I've strayed over the line here and there. It's too bad that one of the best writers here, Curtis, no longer posts. Personally I'm happy that Barry decided to return. I find many of his posts highly thought provoking. FFL would be a far less interesting place without him IMO. If that makes me spineless so be it. Those who really know me know different. Why do I check in on FFL at all, when I left the movement so many years ago? It's probably for the same reason that many keep up with the activities at schools they attended or friends they made in their younger years. In my case, I was 100% committed to MMY and the TMO for a period of around 8 years or so while I was in my 20s. Seems only natural to me that I would maintain an interest in the activities of a group that I had been so involved with for so long during my formative years. Not to mention that said group has gotten even more cultish than it was when I was around, and that's saying something. I mean, who cannot resist gawking at the rise and fall of rajaism and much of other wacky stuff that the TMO and/or MMY has fostered over the years? Having said that, I still do TM in the mornings and find it pleasing. I thank MMY for that and a few other things as well. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: Joe, let me just say, that it's nice to have you on board. People like me stay no matter what. And that's probably not a strength, but a symptom of addictive tendencies I tend to display. But I observe that others will come to the conclusion, depending on different circumstances, who needs this shit. But I hope you'll stay around. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote: So you're saying I'm spineless for not wanting to jumping into the pit with you two. Gee, that's kind ofmean. I guess you know that. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote: OK,it's good that you acknowledge that. (For the record and all.) Do I want to get in the middle of the Judy/Barry wars? Thanks for the invite, but no, I'll pass on that. Sheesh. You can't even stiffen your spine enough to say, Well, one difference is that he refuses to acknowledge ever being mean or intolerant, even on occasion: [Steve:] And what about basic courtesy or tolerance of other people's opinions? Is it your objective to poison the site with plain old meanness? [Barry:] Please give explicit examples. My bet is that you can't. That's a direct quote from his post, just for the record. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote: But Judy, I seem to recall your very recently calling my own writings idiocyyou've renamed Sal Stupid Sal in addition to untold numbers of stones thrown in Barry and Curtis' direction. I hope you're not trying to imply that you haven't done the same thing you accuse Barry of doingthat is, being mean and unpleasant on occasion. (Says Joe, defending Barry again.) Where did you see me implying that I was never mean or unpleasant? Now, can you think of any significant differences between what I do and what Barry does? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Agreed. Turq has been an unremitting jerk to many on here for awhile; insulting and intolerant. People grow tired of it and this is the result. It would be the same if any of us acted that way. Has nothing at all to do with TM or whether or not the gunas act invisibly or whether or not Maharishi is enlightened. Turq is just being a mean jerk and this is the result. What did he expect, accolades? :-) The proof that it's Barry's exceedingly unpleasant behavior, rather than his negative views of TM, that attracts so much criticism is
[FairfieldLife] Re: Questions for Vaj
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@... wrote: snip Personally I'm happy that Barry decided to return. I find many of his posts highly thought provoking. FFL would be a far less interesting place without him IMO. If that makes me spineless so be it. Those who really know me know different. Nobody said you were spineless because you find Barry's posts thought provoking, Joe. (Undiscerning, maybe, but that's a different issue.) I called you spineless, as you know, because you couldn't even bring yourself to assent to an obvious difference between me and Barry: that I'm willing to acknowledge being mean on occasion, whereas Barry is not. That isn't a matter of opinion, it's an on-the-record fact which you yourself made evident by asking me if I'd acknowledge it, which I immediately did. With my acknowledgment and Barry's flat denial *both in the same post*, you wouldn't assent to this. I'll stand by what I said: That's *spineless*, no matter how courageous you may be in every other aspect of your life.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Questions for Vaj
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote: snip Personally I'm happy that Barry decided to return. I find many of his posts highly thought provoking. FFL would be a far less interesting place without him IMO. If that makes me spineless so be it. Those who really know me know different. Nobody said you were spineless because you find Barry's posts thought provoking, Joe. (Undiscerning, maybe, but that's a different issue.) I called you spineless, as you know, because you couldn't even bring yourself to assent to an obvious difference between me and Barry: that I'm willing to acknowledge being mean on occasion, whereas Barry is not. That isn't a matter of opinion, it's an on-the-record fact which you yourself made evident by asking me if I'd acknowledge it, which I immediately did. With my acknowledgment and Barry's flat denial *both in the same post*, you wouldn't assent to this. I'll stand by what I said: That's *spineless*, no matter how courageous you may be in every other aspect of your life. P.S.: It's also spineless for you to misrepresent *why* I called you spineless. And you might want to read the post of mine in which I defended you against a nasty and false remark made by Willytex--which I had made before I read this one from you, BTW.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Would it be so bad if Maharishi was just a guy?
Yes, there's more. Hey, what kind of dog do you have? And Barry, what breed are yours? I'm stuck on boxers, have been since I was a kid. I've had four female fawns since then, each unique and special, each remarkably the same. It never ceases to amaze me how much of the character of the dog is actually hard wired into the breed. I'd love to see photos of FFL pets here. I'll try and post a shot of Pumpkin (my wife named her) to get this rolling. The file is called FFL Pets in the Files section. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote: Well put. It isn't, and never was, a situation that could simply be labeled good or bad'. I still do TM in the morning, love it and thank MMY for it. Me, too. But I find some of the things he did...some known by many and some that must remain quiet for a bit longer, frankly horrifying. There's more? I think asking the questions and having the discussions is incredibly healthy and useful for many, certainly for me. For me, too. I think it especially helps those of us who were right in the middle of things for some time, devoted years and money to it all, and then who saw and heard the garbage parts but still got and get something amazing out of TM. This same pattern applies to lots of religious groups or intense social endeavors where a big personality runs the show. But it seems we all personalize our own experience and need to hear about and talk about it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Flatley untilbeyond@ wrote: It's really the contraditions and hypocracy that take time to fathom. Ultimately questions have more value than answers.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Groups As Immunization From Self-Analysis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: snip You've hinted (if I remember correctly) several times here about studies that indicate that there is a detectable time lag between the moment in which one decides (or not decides) to do something, and the moment in which they become aware of it. I've read some of these studies, and as far as I can tell, all that they indicate is that there is a time lag between the moment in which one is capable of having a thought, and the moment in which they *become aware* that they are having a thought. There was nothing in the study designs I saw that would indicate either determinism or free will, nothing that indicated that the thoughts themselves were predetermined. Barry's largely correct on this point, in that the Libet and subsequent studies do not prove determinism, or the absence of free will. That's just one possible conclusion suggested by the data, but it's a tremendously complex topic with a lot of unknowns. (One correction: It isn't necessarily a matter of having a thought before becoming aware of it; it's the appearance on EEG of what's called readiness potential, which may or may not constitute an unconscious or subconscious thought *per se*.) I like the Wikipedia article. If you check out the next to last paragraph before the references begin, there is a discussion of the work of Simon Jones and Fernyhough. They suggest that information is sent out to much of the brain when a response is called for and an expectation is set up. If the resulting action or thought matches that expectation set up in various parts of the brain, then we humans experience agency, that we did it. Amazing idea. This is a better description of what I was trying to say. Thanks. The time lag issue is one thing. And I think the feeling of agency, when confirmed over and over again produces a sense of self. The sense of a unifying self that we carry around. I don't have the references to where and what I read that gave me these ideas, but I like Simon Jones and Fernyhough's. What I mentioned earlier is that our sense of self as a pondering, analyzing, in charge Decider (As GW Bush so eloquently put it) is possibly the result of very fast data collection from many many parts of the brain. This process involves millions of tiny, discrete steps, automatic steps - one thing leading to another. But it is so fast it seems seamless and we are not aware of the process. This seamless flow of these individual steps gives rise to a sense of Self and, erroneously, to a sense that You are deciding things, have a choice in what you think. You miss the automaticity of the whole thing since you can't see the steps involved. To us, our thoughts simply arise and we claim them as our own, as You, and something you decided to think. But in reality and on that smaller level of the brain cells, it is a different world. Maybe this means that the sense of self is just as real as anything else, but it could also mean that people witnessing are getting down to the truth of the process. That the sense of self is a nice illusion, as Sam Harris says. If that is true then there is at least a recognition of very different ways of perceiving during waking state - or more, maybe there is such a thing as more evolved or higher levels of awareness. Even if that is true, it does not mean that there is anything beyond the physical once the brain dies. The most comprehensive option is that it is all (autopilot and non autopilot) just different ways of brain functioning and awareness and each is as true as the other. The interesting thing is that science is looking at what that sense of self results from in the brain. I imagine there is a long long way to go. It will explain things, but I can't see how it would ever confirm spiritual ideas like reincarnation, consciousness as the stuff of the universe etc. One more fascinating idea presented in the wiki article: they think it possible that people having auditory or visual hallucinations (schizophrenics, for example) have a problem with the connection between the expectation and what actually happens in their brains (Simon Jones and Fernyhough again). Their brain expects a sense of agency, but it does not arise (bad wiring? chemical imbalance?). So what they hear and think seems foreign, rather than from their own self. The article did not deal with the content of their hallucinations, merely the sense of agency. Wikipedia has a very good, detailed article on the issue: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroscience_of_free_will [wayback:] As those on this site have said often, if you are in this st of consciousness where you feel in charge (plain old vanilla waking state), then you function from that state entirely. Pretending otherwise is
[FairfieldLife] Re: Would it be so bad if Maharishi was just a guy?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@... wrote: Yes, there's more. Yikes. That is something to look forward to, or.. maybe not. Are you going to be the one to eventually tell? Hey, what kind of dog do you have? And Barry, what breed are yours? I'm stuck on boxers, have been since I was a kid. I've had four female fawns since then, each unique and special, each remarkably the same. It never ceases to amaze me how much of the character of the dog is actually hard wired into the breed. I keep hearing that boxers are terrific dogs. Ours is a soft-coated wheaten terrier, Rosebud aka Rosie, Rosela, and Rosepetal. She is wonderful, altho wheatens are an energetic breed. Rosie is calmer than most. Full of life and love and very emotional and social. I'd love to see photos of FFL pets here. I'll try and post a shot of Pumpkin (my wife named her) to get this rolling. The file is called FFL Pets in the Files section. I will do this soon. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote: Well put. It isn't, and never was, a situation that could simply be labeled good or bad'. I still do TM in the morning, love it and thank MMY for it. Me, too. But I find some of the things he did...some known by many and some that must remain quiet for a bit longer, frankly horrifying. There's more? I think asking the questions and having the discussions is incredibly healthy and useful for many, certainly for me. For me, too. I think it especially helps those of us who were right in the middle of things for some time, devoted years and money to it all, and then who saw and heard the garbage parts but still got and get something amazing out of TM. This same pattern applies to lots of religious groups or intense social endeavors where a big personality runs the show. But it seems we all personalize our own experience and need to hear about and talk about it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Flatley untilbeyond@ wrote: It's really the contraditions and hypocracy that take time to fathom. Ultimately questions have more value than answers.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Questions for Vaj
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@... wrote: Thanks Steve. I kind of come and go here depending on whether anything of interest to me is being discussed or not. For quite some time, I threw insults here with the best (or worst) of them. Last year, at some point during a particularly heated exchange that I was reading, but not participating in, it just hit me how predictable and boring much of this had become. I stopped throwing the bombs, and apologized to a few here (including Judy) for having done so. I stopped reading WillyTex's posts (other than to occasionally see them in other people's posts) since I had become bored with imitating his routine in posts back to him. Since then I've tried to keep make my comments on a more civil way, but I'm sure I've strayed over the line here and there. It's too bad that one of the best writers here, Curtis, no longer posts. Personally I'm happy that Barry decided to return. I find many of his posts highly thought provoking. FFL would be a far less interesting place without him IMO. If that makes me spineless so be it. Those who really know me know different. Why do I check in on FFL at all, when I left the movement so many years ago? It's probably for the same reason that many keep up with the activities at schools they attended or friends they made in their younger years. I think spiritual commitments are much more intense and deep than most other things in life, so of course you are still interested. In my case, I was 100% committed to MMY and the TMO for a period of around 8 years or so while I was in my 20s. Seems only natural to me that I would maintain an interest in the activities of a group that I had been so involved with for so long during my formative years. Not to mention that said group has gotten even more cultish than it was when I was around, and that's saying something. I mean, who cannot resist gawking at the rise and fall of rajaism and much of other wacky stuff that the TMO and/or MMY has fostered over the years? Having said that, I still do TM in the mornings and find it pleasing. I thank MMY for that and a few other things as well. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: Joe, let me just say, that it's nice to have you on board. People like me stay no matter what. And that's probably not a strength, but a symptom of addictive tendencies I tend to display. But I observe that others will come to the conclusion, depending on different circumstances, who needs this shit. But I hope you'll stay around. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote: So you're saying I'm spineless for not wanting to jumping into the pit with you two. Gee, that's kind ofmean. I guess you know that. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote: OK,it's good that you acknowledge that. (For the record and all.) Do I want to get in the middle of the Judy/Barry wars? Thanks for the invite, but no, I'll pass on that. Sheesh. You can't even stiffen your spine enough to say, Well, one difference is that he refuses to acknowledge ever being mean or intolerant, even on occasion: [Steve:] And what about basic courtesy or tolerance of other people's opinions? Is it your objective to poison the site with plain old meanness? [Barry:] Please give explicit examples. My bet is that you can't. That's a direct quote from his post, just for the record. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote: But Judy, I seem to recall your very recently calling my own writings idiocyyou've renamed Sal Stupid Sal in addition to untold numbers of stones thrown in Barry and Curtis' direction. I hope you're not trying to imply that you haven't done the same thing you accuse Barry of doingthat is, being mean and unpleasant on occasion. (Says Joe, defending Barry again.) Where did you see me implying that I was never mean or unpleasant? Now, can you think of any significant differences between what I do and what Barry does? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Agreed. Turq has been an unremitting jerk to many on here for awhile; insulting and intolerant. People grow tired of it and this is the result. It would be the same if any of us acted that way. Has nothing at all to do with TM or whether or not the gunas act invisibly or
[FairfieldLife] Fwd: Wisconsin Poll Results; Mike speaks out on Facebook...
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Groups As Immunization From Self-Analysis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@... wrote: snip I like the Wikipedia article. If you check out the next to last paragraph before the references begin, there is a discussion of the work of Simon Jones and Fernyhough. They suggest that information is sent out to much of the brain when a response is called for and an expectation is set up. If the resulting action or thought matches that expectation set up in various parts of the brain, then we humans experience agency, that we did it. Amazing idea. This is a better description of what I was trying to say. Thanks. Yeah, that theory caught my attention too. Ingenious. It feels right to me intuitively, but that and $5 (?) will get me a latte at Starbuck's. (No Starbuck's near me, so I have no idea what they're charging these days.) The time lag issue is one thing. And I think the feeling of agency, when confirmed over and over again produces a sense of self. The sense of a unifying self that we carry around. I'm not convinced this accounts for the sense of self as a whole, just some features of it. We don't really lose the core sense of self when we're having an autopilot experience; rather, it seems to become a sense of Self, with all the little self-stuff not attached to it. That stuff continues to do its own thing, with the Self the non-doer, as if looking on. Ultimately the two become unified, but that's a whole 'nother kettle of fish. I agree with the rest of what you say. You have a real knack for articulating this kind of thing. I don't have the references to where and what I read that gave me these ideas, but I like Simon Jones and Fernyhough's. What I mentioned earlier is that our sense of self as a pondering, analyzing, in charge Decider (As GW Bush so eloquently put it) is possibly the result of very fast data collection from many many parts of the brain. This process involves millions of tiny, discrete steps, automatic steps - one thing leading to another. But it is so fast it seems seamless and we are not aware of the process. This seamless flow of these individual steps gives rise to a sense of Self and, erroneously, to a sense that You are deciding things, have a choice in what you think. You miss the automaticity of the whole thing since you can't see the steps involved. To us, our thoughts simply arise and we claim them as our own, as You, and something you decided to think. But in reality and on that smaller level of the brain cells, it is a different world. Maybe this means that the sense of self is just as real as anything else, but it could also mean that people witnessing are getting down to the truth of the process. That the sense of self is a nice illusion, as Sam Harris says. If that is true then there is at least a recognition of very different ways of perceiving during waking state - or more, maybe there is such a thing as more evolved or higher levels of awareness. Even if that is true, it does not mean that there is anything beyond the physical once the brain dies. The most comprehensive option is that it is all (autopilot and non autopilot) just different ways of brain functioning and awareness and each is as true as the other. The interesting thing is that science is looking at what that sense of self results from in the brain. I imagine there is a long long way to go. It will explain things, but I can't see how it would ever confirm spiritual ideas like reincarnation, consciousness as the stuff of the universe etc. One more fascinating idea presented in the wiki article: they think it possible that people having auditory or visual hallucinations (schizophrenics, for example) have a problem with the connection between the expectation and what actually happens in their brains (Simon Jones and Fernyhough again). Their brain expects a sense of agency, but it does not arise (bad wiring? chemical imbalance?). So what they hear and think seems foreign, rather than from their own self. The article did not deal with the content of their hallucinations, merely the sense of agency. Wikipedia has a very good, detailed article on the issue: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroscience_of_free_will [wayback:] As those on this site have said often, if you are in this st of consciousness where you feel in charge (plain old vanilla waking state), then you function from that state entirely. Pretending otherwise is ridiculous. Straight jacket material ridiculous. Nobody on FL has said anything other than what wayback just noted; many of us have attempted to explain it to Barry as she has. And yet Barry has made at least a dozen posts ridiculing those he thinks believe in an idea they all find as absurd as he does, because he doesn't understand the implications of determinism. He thinks if one believes in determinism, one *must* pretend one isn't responsible
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Wisconsin Poll Results; Mike speaks out on Facebook...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WLeed3@... wrote: Tax payers all over the state favor change in the way State Unions are re numerated [sic; should be remunerated] by us. Not exactly surprising that a poll of members of this Tea Party group would favor Walker's attempt to bust unions! Statewide, however, the polls are strongly against it; a majority wants the unions to retain their collective bargaining rights.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Wisconsin Poll Results; Mike speaks out on Facebook...
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 12:45 PM, wle...@aol.com wrote: Tax payers all over the state favor change in the way State Unions are re numerated by us. It would also be nice if schools went back to teaching instead of raising the self-esteem of students and adopting the law Texas has outlawing cellphones in school zones. The Texas legislature actually had to pass a resolution (or was it a law?) telling parents that it's OK to spank their children. Bringing back the stocks in the city square and the lash wouldn't hurt either. Plus pass a law to execute anyone taking up two parking spaces in a parking lot.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Questions for Vaj
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@... wrote: Thanks Steve. I kind of come and go here depending on whether anything of interest to me is being discussed or not. For quite some time, I threw insults here with the best (or worst) of them. Last year, at some point during a particularly heated exchange that I was reading, but not participating in, it just hit me how predictable and boring much of this had become. I stopped throwing the bombs, and apologized to a few here (including Judy) for having done so. I guess you used to be a real nemisis of Richard. I remember that. I say remember because I never really followed it. Makes sense to me to not invest in that exchange. I stopped reading WillyTex's posts (other than to occasionally see them in other people's posts) since I had become bored with imitating his routine in posts back to him. Since then I've tried to keep make my comments on a more civil way, but I'm sure I've strayed over the line here and there. It's too bad that one of the best writers here, Curtis, no longer posts. Personally I'm happy that Barry decided to return. I find many of his posts highly thought provoking. FFL would be a far less interesting place without him IMO. If that makes me spineless so be it. Those who really know me know different. I've always enjoyed Barry's posts. Either I've changed or he's changed or some of both. But the relationship is strained. Not sure if/when it might get back to a normal. Why do I check in on FFL at all, when I left the movement so many years ago? It's probably for the same reason that many keep up with the activities at schools they attended or friends they made in their younger years. In my case, I was 100% committed to MMY and the TMO for a period of around 8 years or so while I was in my 20s. Seems only natural to me that I would maintain an interest in the activities of a group that I had been so involved with for so long during my formative years. Not to mention that said group has gotten even more cultish than it was when I was around, and that's saying something. Sounds like a lot of us. I mean, who cannot resist gawking at the rise and fall of rajaism and much of other wacky stuff that the TMO and/or MMY has fostered over the years? Right it just took off on those weird tangents. Having said that, I still do TM in the mornings and find it pleasing. I thank MMY for that and a few other things as well. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: Joe, let me just say, that it's nice to have you on board. People like me stay no matter what. And that's probably not a strength, but a symptom of addictive tendencies I tend to display. But I observe that others will come to the conclusion, depending on different circumstances, who needs this shit. But I hope you'll stay around. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote: So you're saying I'm spineless for not wanting to jumping into the pit with you two. Gee, that's kind ofmean. I guess you know that. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote: OK,it's good that you acknowledge that. (For the record and all.) Do I want to get in the middle of the Judy/Barry wars? Thanks for the invite, but no, I'll pass on that. Sheesh. You can't even stiffen your spine enough to say, Well, one difference is that he refuses to acknowledge ever being mean or intolerant, even on occasion: [Steve:] And what about basic courtesy or tolerance of other people's opinions? Is it your objective to poison the site with plain old meanness? [Barry:] Please give explicit examples. My bet is that you can't. That's a direct quote from his post, just for the record. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote: But Judy, I seem to recall your very recently calling my own writings idiocyyou've renamed Sal Stupid Sal in addition to untold numbers of stones thrown in Barry and Curtis' direction. I hope you're not trying to imply that you haven't done the same thing you accuse Barry of doingthat is, being mean and unpleasant on occasion. (Says Joe, defending Barry again.) Where did you see me implying that I was never mean or unpleasant? Now, can you think of any significant differences between what I do and what Barry does? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Agreed. Turq has been an unremitting jerk to many on here for awhile;
[FairfieldLife] Re: Would it be so bad if Maharishi was just a guy?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote: Yes, there's more. Yikes. That is something to look forward to, or.. maybe not. Are you going to be the one to eventually tell? I kind of doubt it. (And believe, something to look forward to is not how you'll feel.) These things need to come from the persons directly involved to have real credibility. We saw that recently with Judith Bourque's book. Before she wrote it, many were extremely skeptical of the claims about MMY and women, even though a small group were well aware of what was going on. I find it fascinating to note that once the book came out, and people had a chance to read it, for many, the question of whether these things happened or not was resolved. That's when many of the firm deniers of these sexual activities of MMY shifted into a it doesn't matter posture. Speaking of Judith, my wife and I are dining with her this evening and very much looking forward to meeting this brave soul. Hey, what kind of dog do you have? And Barry, what breed are yours? I'm stuck on boxers, have been since I was a kid. I've had four female fawns since then, each unique and special, each remarkably the same. It never ceases to amaze me how much of the character of the dog is actually hard wired into the breed. I keep hearing that boxers are terrific dogs. Ours is a soft-coated wheaten terrier, Rosebud aka Rosie, Rosela, and Rosepetal. She is wonderful, altho wheatens are an energetic breed. Rosie is calmer than most. Full of life and love and very emotional and social. I'd love to see photos of FFL pets here. I'll try and post a shot of Pumpkin (my wife named her) to get this rolling. The file is called FFL Pets in the Files section. I will do this soon. Cool, I'll look for it. Remember to identify your pet by using your handle. (Geezerfreaks' boxer Pumpkin is how I labeled the photo I posted that you can see once the moderators approve the file.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote: Well put. It isn't, and never was, a situation that could simply be labeled good or bad'. I still do TM in the morning, love it and thank MMY for it. Me, too. But I find some of the things he did...some known by many and some that must remain quiet for a bit longer, frankly horrifying. There's more? I think asking the questions and having the discussions is incredibly healthy and useful for many, certainly for me. For me, too. I think it especially helps those of us who were right in the middle of things for some time, devoted years and money to it all, and then who saw and heard the garbage parts but still got and get something amazing out of TM. This same pattern applies to lots of religious groups or intense social endeavors where a big personality runs the show. But it seems we all personalize our own experience and need to hear about and talk about it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Flatley untilbeyond@ wrote: It's really the contraditions and hypocracy that take time to fathom. Ultimately questions have more value than answers.
[FairfieldLife] Higher Dimensions
In the Pleiadian messages it talks about higher dimensions. Does anyone know what these dimensions acually do?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Would it be so bad if Maharishi was just a guy?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote: Yes, there's more. Yikes. That is something to look forward to, or.. maybe not. Are you going to be the one to eventually tell? I kind of doubt it. (And believe, something to look forward to is not how you'll feel.) These things need to come from the persons directly involved to have real credibility. We saw that recently with Judith Bourque's book. Before she wrote it, many were extremely skeptical of the claims about MMY and women, even though a small group were well aware of what was going on. I find it fascinating to note that once the book came out, and people had a chance to read it, for many, the question of whether these things happened or not was resolved. That's when many of the firm deniers of these sexual activities of MMY shifted into a it doesn't matter posture. Speaking of Judith, my wife and I are dining with her this evening and very much looking forward to meeting this brave soul. That should be a very interesting evening! I heard loud and clear about the sex back in the mid 70's from an initiator who was really reliable and spent a few Years investigating it all (flying around, phoning) so he could decide whether to continue on with MMY. He did not - He did speak with Judith during that time, but I think she was not willing to tlak much then. I was freaked out, and then decided it might not be true or maybe I just could not deal with the stress of it all. But it always stayed in my awareness and things were never the same for me. I liked the book, think Judith is really brave as well as honest and gave MMY all the honor and respect and credit she can given what happened. I would love to hear how her book has been received, has the TMO contacted her, any major fallout, and how people are integrating this info. Hey, what kind of dog do you have? And Barry, what breed are yours? I'm stuck on boxers, have been since I was a kid. I've had four female fawns since then, each unique and special, each remarkably the same. It never ceases to amaze me how much of the character of the dog is actually hard wired into the breed. I keep hearing that boxers are terrific dogs. Ours is a soft-coated wheaten terrier, Rosebud aka Rosie, Rosela, and Rosepetal. She is wonderful, altho wheatens are an energetic breed. Rosie is calmer than most. Full of life and love and very emotional and social. I'd love to see photos of FFL pets here. I'll try and post a shot of Pumpkin (my wife named her) to get this rolling. The file is called FFL Pets in the Files section. I will do this soon. Cool, I'll look for it. Remember to identify your pet by using your handle. (Geezerfreaks' boxer Pumpkin is how I labeled the photo I posted that you can see once the moderators approve the file.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote: Well put. It isn't, and never was, a situation that could simply be labeled good or bad'. I still do TM in the morning, love it and thank MMY for it. Me, too. But I find some of the things he did...some known by many and some that must remain quiet for a bit longer, frankly horrifying. There's more? I think asking the questions and having the discussions is incredibly healthy and useful for many, certainly for me. For me, too. I think it especially helps those of us who were right in the middle of things for some time, devoted years and money to it all, and then who saw and heard the garbage parts but still got and get something amazing out of TM. This same pattern applies to lots of religious groups or intense social endeavors where a big personality runs the show. But it seems we all personalize our own experience and need to hear about and talk about it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Flatley untilbeyond@ wrote: It's really the contraditions and hypocracy that take time to fathom. Ultimately questions have more value than answers.
[FairfieldLife] Space Shuttle launch seen from airplane
That's cool! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RToJ27tkuQ
[FairfieldLife] Re: Higher Dimensions
Its the same thing they wonder about us. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shainm307 shainm307@... wrote: In the Pleiadian messages it talks about higher dimensions. Does anyone know what these dimensions acually do?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Wisconsin Poll Results; Mike speaks out on Facebook...
On 02/27/2011 10:45 AM, wle...@aol.com wrote: Tax payers all over the state favor change in the way State Unions are re numerated by us. So you live in Wisconsin? The unions there are willing to negotiate on pension reform. But the empire only wants serfs. Do you want to be a serf? I don't so I plan to resist any attempt in that direction and make videos mocking it.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Groups As Immunization From Self-Analysis
On 02/27/2011 02:14 AM, turquoiseb wrote: As Bhairitu has pointed out, I tend to think of weird shit while out walking. He doesn't, having immunized himself against it by jacking in to music. Me, I really *like* the free flow of thoughts that runs through my head when out walking alone, or with my dogs. This morning's rap is about one such train of thought. Not music but talk radio. Weekdays it's Thom Hartmann. That's how I'm able to keep up on his chat. The local station Green960 is power starved my little walkman doesn't get it very well and I listen via Thom's MP3 stream on my Android phone. If I have problems using the app for that then I use Clear Channel's iHeart radio but it will lose the signal more frequently than the other app. I even wrote my own streaming app thought it is for recording any MP3 stream since no one has one available. It's sort of a Personal Audio Recorder.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Higher Dimensions
On Feb 27, 2011, at 1:25 PM, shainm307 wrote: In the Pleiadian messages it talks about higher dimensions. Does anyone know what these dimensions acually do? Yes, I know all about it, having been personally instructed by the Pleiadians themselves. And I'm very happy to share all their knowledge with you~~for a small fee, of course. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Higher Dimensions
Beings capable of existing at higher dimensions can see through human beings, including the various body organs, and they would see our birth and death and the ages in between. The analogy of this would be if we look at a face card, e.g. Queen of Hearts, on a table. She is living on a two dimensional world or a flat surface, while we are living on a four dimensional world. As such, we can see everthing that she's got, even if she lived in her two dimensional house or castle. But she cannot see us because she can't look up at us in her two dimensional world. One author stated that at most there are 11 dimesnsions and nother more. JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shainm307 shainm307@... wrote: In the Pleiadian messages it talks about higher dimensions. Does anyone know what these dimensions acually do?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Waking your dog Was Groups As Immunization From Self-Analysis
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Not music but talk radio. Weekdays it's Thom Hartmann. That's how I'm able to keep up on his chat. The local station Green960 is power starved my little walkman doesn't get it very well and I listen via Thom's MP3 stream on my Android phone. If I have problems using the app for that then I use Clear Channel's iHeart radio but it will lose the signal more frequently than the other app. I even wrote my own streaming app thought it is for recording any MP3 stream since no one has one available. It's sort of a Personal Audio Recorder. How /is/ Thom Hartmann? I morn the show about his family, Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman going off TV. I loved the episodes where Mary's father was kidnapped by some group. Was it the Krishnas? Anyway, Mary's father was fed a vegetarian diet by his captors and lost all gumption to flee. I can empathize A deprogrammer found him, sneaked in to him and fed him a Big Mac. The father came to his senses and fled with the deprogrammer. Where I live I can't use my super small Aiwa radio well at all. Plus there's only one NPR station and that's a college station and most all the time it plays college trash and not NPR. I have walked with it in other cities and was able to pull in 3 or 4 NPR stations. Very nice to walk listening to NPR. Fresh Air, All Things Considered, Car Talk, This American Life, Prairie Home Companion. Great. There are loads of other such networks. I was driving into Albiquirka one Thanksgiving and listened to the Native American network. The story of how the Indians saw Thanksgiving was a riot and very wry. I've listened to the Pacifica network. Strange. Very Strange. Is there a radio station in the SF Bay area still using Hiney Bear and Hiney Wine as a mock sponsor?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Waking your dog Was Groups As Immunization From Self-Analysis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@... wrote: snip How /is/ Thom Hartmann? I morn the show about his family, Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman going off TV. A, one of the Best.TV.Shows.Ever. Clips from the first episode (waxy yellow buildup, mass murder, the Fernwood Flasher, I can't talk now, I'm on the phone): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTnAfOmvBc0 Why it's not in eternal syndication, I can't imagine. It was brilliant. Still is brilliant. Only the first season is on DVD. Louise Lasser was nominated for an Emmy but, unfathomably, didn't win. I loved the episodes where Mary's father was kidnapped by some group. Was it the Krishnas? Anyway, Mary's father was fed a vegetarian diet by his captors and lost all gumption to flee. I can empathize A deprogrammer found him, sneaked in to him and fed him a Big Mac. The father came to his senses and fled with the deprogrammer.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Higher Dimensions
Roger McGuinn of the Byrds wrote these lyrics in 1966 for a song called `5D' (5 Dimensions). He was way ahead of his time and obviously in touch with the Pleiadian messengers ; . ) Oh, how is it that I could come out to here And be still floating And never hit bottom And keep falling through Just relaxed and paying attention All my two dimensional boundaries were gone I had lost to them badly I saw the world crumble And thought I was dead But I found my senses still working And as I continued to drop thru the hole I found all the surrounding Who showed me the joy that innocently is Just be quiet and feel it around you And I opened my heart to the whole universe and I found it was loving And I saw the great blunder my teacher's had made Scientific delirium madness... I will keep falling as long as I live All without ending And I will remember the place that is now That has ended before the beginning Oh, how is it that I could come out to here And be still floating And never hit bottom and keep falling through Just relaxed and paying attention... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote: Beings capable of existing at higher dimensions can see through human beings, including the various body organs, and they would see our birth and death and the ages in between. The analogy of this would be if we look at a face card, e.g. Queen of Hearts, on a table. She is living on a two dimensional world or a flat surface, while we are living on a four dimensional world. As such, we can see everthing that she's got, even if she lived in her two dimensional house or castle. But she cannot see us because she can't look up at us in her two dimensional world. One author stated that at most there are 11 dimesnsions and nother more. JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shainm307 shainm307@ wrote: In the Pleiadian messages it talks about higher dimensions. Does anyone know what these dimensions acually do?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Waking your dog Was Groups As Immunization From Self-Analysis
On 02/27/2011 01:06 PM, Tom Pall wrote: On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Bhairitunoozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Not music but talk radio. Weekdays it's Thom Hartmann. That's how I'm able to keep up on his chat. The local station Green960 is power starved my little walkman doesn't get it very well and I listen via Thom's MP3 stream on my Android phone. If I have problems using the app for that then I use Clear Channel's iHeart radio but it will lose the signal more frequently than the other app. I even wrote my own streaming app thought it is for recording any MP3 stream since no one has one available. It's sort of a Personal Audio Recorder. How /is/ Thom Hartmann? I morn the show about his family, Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman going off TV. I loved the episodes where Mary's father was kidnapped by some group. Was it the Krishnas? Anyway, Mary's father was fed a vegetarian diet by his captors and lost all gumption to flee. I can empathize A deprogrammer found him, sneaked in to him and fed him a Big Mac. The father came to his senses and fled with the deprogrammer. Where I live I can't use my super small Aiwa radio well at all. Plus there's only one NPR station and that's a college station and most all the time it plays college trash and not NPR. I have walked with it in other cities and was able to pull in 3 or 4 NPR stations. Very nice to walk listening to NPR. Fresh Air, All Things Considered, Car Talk, This American Life, Prairie Home Companion. Great. There are loads of other such networks. I was driving into Albiquirka one Thanksgiving and listened to the Native American network. The story of how the Indians saw Thanksgiving was a riot and very wry. I've listened to the Pacifica network. Strange. Very Strange. Is there a radio station in the SF Bay area still using Hiney Bear and Hiney Wine as a mock sponsor? The only wine that comes in a can? Of course the joke was about where I grew up, Walla Walla, becoming one of the US top wine centers (much to the chagrin of Californians). Some folks even cashed in on the joke: http://www.vineyard2door.com/web/product_detail.cfm?id=10560 A commercial: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xu74hcSDyYQ Never had any but I highly recommend many of the wines from the region though they are expensive. The Waterbrook Merlot is superb. And the Woodyard Canyon Cabernet fantastic (should be at around $50 a bottle). I went to school with Rick Small who founded Woodyard Canyon. Different Hartmann. http://www.thomhartmann.com/ Thom shaved his beard recently. I guess because of his move from Portland, Oregon to Washington, DC. That really had to be a step down but he prolly wanted to be where the action is. On the radio engineer forums many hate HD radio and think it is a waste of time when folks can have streaming via their cell phones with superior audio. And HD radio diminishes the quality of the AM broadcast. I'm not a mobile phone yapper so the most use I get from mine is the streaming radio and development testing. And instead of ear buds I use cheap Coby headphones ($3 at Fry's) which also help keep my cap on during the walk and ears warm in their global warming 30 degree Bay Area weather. The XiiaLive app even switches off when you disconnect the headset. https://market.android.com/search?q=xiialivec=apps
[FairfieldLife] Jerry Jarvis' website of Maharishi tapes
Hi Everyone, Does anyone know the website that Jerry put up of the old Maharishi tapes? It was Spiritualregeneration.org, but that was taken down and it was put up under a new name which I can't find. Thanks
[FairfieldLife] Re: Higher Dimensions
An energy spectrum above us, just as 'real' as we are, and below us too. Guess it depends on what the meaning of 'us' is - lol :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote: Beings capable of existing at higher dimensions can see through human beings, including the various body organs, and they would see our birth and death and the ages in between. The analogy of this would be if we look at a face card, e.g. Queen of Hearts, on a table. She is living on a two dimensional world or a flat surface, while we are living on a four dimensional world. As such, we can see everthing that she's got, even if she lived in her two dimensional house or castle. But she cannot see us because she can't look up at us in her two dimensional world. One author stated that at most there are 11 dimesnsions and nother more. JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shainm307 shainm307@ wrote: In the Pleiadian messages it talks about higher dimensions. Does anyone know what these dimensions acually do?
[FairfieldLife] Two planets share one orbit
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn20160-two-planets-found-sharing-one-orbit.html http://tinyurl.com/4s3ewg3 - Updated 18:01 24 February 2011 by *Marcus Chown*http://www.newscientist.com/search?rbauthors=Marcus+Chown - Magazine issue 2801 http://www.newscientist.com/issue/2801. *Subscribe and save* http://www.newscientist.com/subscribe?promcode=nsarttop Buried in the flood of data from the Kepler telescope is a planetary system unlike any seen before. Two of its apparent planets share the same orbit around their star. If the discovery is confirmed, it would bolster a theory that Earth once shared its orbit with a Mars-sized body that later crashed into it, resulting in the moon's formation. The two planets are part of a four-planet system dubbed KOI-730. They circle their sun-like parent star every 9.8 days at exactly the same orbital distance, one permanently about 60 degrees ahead of the other. In the night sky of one planet, the other world must appear as a constant, blazing light, never fading or brightening. Gravitational sweet spots make this possible. When one body (such as a planet) orbits a much more massive body (a star), there are two Lagrange points along the planet's orbit where a third body can orbit stably. These lie 60 degrees ahead of and 60 degrees behind the smaller object. For example, groups of asteroids called Trojanshttp://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20727765.100-trojan-asteroids-make-planetary-scientist-lose-sleep.htmllie at these points along Jupiter's orbit. In theory, matter in a disc of material around a newborn star could coalesce into so-called co-orbiting planets, but no one had spotted evidence of this before. Systems like this are not common, as this is the only one we have seen, says Jack Lissauerhttp://www.nasa.gov/centers/ames/research/2007/lissauer.htmlof NASA's Ames Research Center in Mountain View, California. Lissauer and colleagues describe the KOI-730 system in a paper submitted to the *Astrophysical Journal* (arxiv.org/abs/1102.0543). Richard Gott http://www.princeton.edu/astro/people/faculty/jrg/ and Edward Belbruno http://www.edbelbruno.com/home.html at Princeton University say we may even have evidence of the phenomenon in our own cosmic backyard. The moon is thought to have formed about 50 million years after the birth of the solar system, from the debris of a collision between a Mars-sized body and Earth. Simulations suggest the impactor, dubbed Theia, must have come in at a low speed. According to Gott and Belbruno, this could only have happened if Theia had originated in a leading or trailing Lagrange pointhttp://www.newscientist.com/article/mg18324605.200-the-planet-that-stalked-the-earth.htmlalong Earth's orbit. The new finds show the kind of thing we imagined can happen, Gott says. Will KOI-730's co-orbiting planets collide to form a moon someday? That would be spectacular, says Gott. That may be so, but simulations by Bob Vanderbei at Princeton suggest the planets will continue to orbit in lockstep with each other for the next 2.22 million years at least. * *
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Higher Dimensions
Is this your experience or are these just fantasies? --- On Sun, 2/27/11, John jr_...@yahoo.com wrote: From: John jr_...@yahoo.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Higher Dimensions To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, February 27, 2011, 3:29 PM Beings capable of existing at higher dimensions can see through human beings, including the various body organs, and they would see our birth and death and the ages in between. The analogy of this would be if we look at a face card, e.g. Queen of Hearts, on a table. She is living on a two dimensional world or a flat surface, while we are living on a four dimensional world. As such, we can see everthing that she's got, even if she lived in her two dimensional house or castle. But she cannot see us because she can't look up at us in her two dimensional world. One author stated that at most there are 11 dimesnsions and nother more. JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shainm307 shainm307@... wrote: In the Pleiadian messages it talks about higher dimensions. Does anyone know what these dimensions acually do? To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Higher Dimensions
I can't believe people still talk about this shit. Eleven dimensions? Okay, start explaining. --- On Sun, 2/27/11, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@lisco.com wrote: From: Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@lisco.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Higher Dimensions To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, February 27, 2011, 3:28 PM On Feb 27, 2011, at 1:25 PM, shainm307 wrote: In the Pleiadian messages it talks about higher dimensions. Does anyone know what these dimensions acually do? Yes, I know all about it, having been personally instructed by the Pleiadians themselves. And I'm very happy to share all their knowledge with you~~for a small fee, of course. Sal To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Higher Dimensions
On Feb 27, 2011, at 7:57 PM, Peter wrote: Is this your experience or are these just fantasies? For me it's both~~I'm just that cool. Peter, stop unstressing and go watch the Oscars! --- On Sun, 2/27/11, John jr_...@yahoo.com wrote: From: John jr_...@yahoo.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Higher Dimensions To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, February 27, 2011, 3:29 PM Beings capable of existing at higher dimensions can see through human beings, including the various body organs, and they would see our birth and death and the ages in between. The analogy of this would be if we look at a face card, e.g. Queen of Hearts, on a table. She is living on a two dimensional world or a flat surface, while we are living on a four dimensional world. As such, we can see everthing that she's got, even if she lived in her two dimensional house or castle. But she cannot see us because she can't look up at us in her two dimensional world.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Higher Dimensions
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@... wrote: I can't believe people still talk about this shit. Eleven dimensions? Okay, start explaining. Oh, how funny. Peter actually thinks eleven dimensions is a Hagelin/TM-related idea, so he assumes it's crackpottery. Don't anybody tell him otherwise--just pass the popcorn, and watch him rant! --- On Sun, 2/27/11, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote: From: Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Higher Dimensions To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, February 27, 2011, 3:28 PM On Feb 27, 2011, at 1:25 PM, shainm307 wrote: In the Pleiadian messages it talks about higher dimensions. Does anyone know what these dimensions acually do? Yes, I know all about it, having been personally instructed by the Pleiadians themselves. And I'm very happy to share all their knowledge with you~~for a small fee, of course. Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Higher Dimensions
No, damnit! I'm fixing the sink, watching the Oscars and yelling at my wife. What a fine evening. --- On Sun, 2/27/11, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@lisco.com wrote: From: Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@lisco.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Higher Dimensions To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, February 27, 2011, 9:08 PM On Feb 27, 2011, at 7:57 PM, Peter wrote: Is this your experience or are these just fantasies? For me it's both~~I'm just that cool. Peter, stop unstressing and go watch the Oscars! --- On Sun, 2/27/11, John jr_...@yahoo.com wrote: From: John jr_...@yahoo.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Higher Dimensions To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, February 27, 2011, 3:29 PM Beings capable of existing at higher dimensions can see through human beings, including the various body organs, and they would see our birth and death and the ages in between. The analogy of this would be if we look at a face card, e.g. Queen of Hearts, on a table. She is living on a two dimensional world or a flat surface, while we are living on a four dimensional world. As such, we can see everthing that she's got, even if she lived in her two dimensional house or castle. But she cannot see us because she can't look up at us in her two dimensional world. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip Would you say one could do TM, as it's supposed to be done, while walking? I didn't say its TM, it's Japa. Earlier you insisted TM *was* Japa. I appreciate your thoughts about japa; I now know more about it than I did before. But what I've learned has led me to conclude that it really has no relevance to the recommendation that TMers not use their bija mantra in activity, so I'm not going to pursue that part of the discussion and just hit on a couple of other points. snip Part of your argument seems to be that japa, as I propose it is incompatible with TM, since, as you think, the mantra in meditation has become so refined, that, as you believe, you can't use it in another condition, because it would be too gross. This I infer from what you said earlier on. No, that's not it. You use the mantra in whatever condition it happens to be in when you entertain it. You don't try to make it fainter or louder, it can change in many ways, etc., etc. No such thing as too gross unless you're deliberately trying to make it grosser than it wants to be. What I said was that my experience after I'd seen my mantra in print was that the spelled-out mantra kept coming up in my mind's eye and sort of fighting with the very abstract sense of the mantra that has become my normal experience of TM. I don't try to push away the spelled-out version; I just have to tolerate it until it goes away. I think that you have formed a concept about 'the refined mantra' There is no refined mantra, there is only a refined mind IMHO. That's just playing with words. Any interior perception is a mind state. I should ask you, when you saw your mantra in print, was it in Sanskrit devanagari or in english transliteration? English. What would your reaction have been if it was in Devanagari? Would you have reacted the same way? Nope, I don't read Devanagari. Do you see what I mean? It is only in your mind. There is a concept in your mind, that the mantra is already so-and-so refined, to the x-degree. Now, when you see the mantra in print, its neither gross nor fine, its just in print. Printed words don't exist in a vacuum. To the mind, they represent sounds; they're transcriptions of sounds into letters. If I'm sitting there and the word JUDY appears in my mind's eye, it evokes the sound of my name distinctly in my mind's ear. Same with any other word. We sometimes forget that written words don't have an existence independent of the spoken sounds they represent, because we seem to be able to read written text without hearing it. Anyway, the same thing happens with my mantra after I've seen it in print. The mind's-eye spelling-out evokes the gross, distinct sound of my mantra, as it was first given to me by my teacher, or as I experienced it early on after I started TM. But for some reason you think, its less refined than your x-degree That's my *experience*, that my mantra has become very refined, or subtle, or vague, or quiet, or faint, or whatever word you want to use. If I didn't remember what my mantra was, I couldn't reconstruct it by listening to what I experience now. It's no longer even a sound, it's very close to nothing at all. so you get into a conflict of your refined mantra with what you think the gross mantra is. The gross mantra fights with the fine mantra - what a comedy. You experience this involuntary, but because of concepts you formed, which have been taught to you. No, I'm sorry, I don't think that's the case. My normal, everyday thoughts are for the most part not in words; they're just faint impulses. They can *become* words in my mind if I'm considering communicating the thoughts. Long before I ever heard about the mantra becoming refined, I was aware of the difference between a gross thought in the form of words and a subtle thought in the form of an impulse. You might also ask yourself whether the taste of a mango analogy applies with regard to my experience of gross and subtle forms of the mantra fighting with each other--i.e., you haven't had the experience, so there's no way you can really understand it. I suppose I should consider that experience as a form of stress release. But there's no good reason for me to expose myself to that particular trigger if I don't have to, any more than there would be to engage in vigorous exercise or eat a full meal or pick a big fight with my partner right before meditating when the argument could have waited until afterward, or deliberately choose to meditate in the subway at rush hour when I had plenty of time to do so once I got home. You don't have to, but nevertheless it is a sign for something you might want to consider. AFAIK the checking points advise you to pick up the mantra at the level of your normal thought at that point,
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Higher Dimensions
On Feb 27, 2011, at 9:09 PM, Peter wrote: No, damnit! I'm fixing the sink, watching the Oscars and yelling at my wife. What a fine evening. Hey, I can multi-task too! --- On Sun, 2/27/11, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@lisco.com wrote: From: Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@lisco.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Higher Dimensions To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, February 27, 2011, 9:08 PM On Feb 27, 2011, at 7:57 PM, Peter wrote: Is this your experience or are these just fantasies? For me it's both~~I'm just that cool. Peter, stop unstressing and go watch the Oscars!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Higher Dimensions
No need to feel sorry for silly ol' Pete. He still lives in three (3) physical dimensions plus a temporal dimension that seems to go only forward, not backward (and most certainly does not slide into another set of actualities). Don't upset him by telling him everything looks different from the 4th through the 11th and pulleez don't even hint that a different set of equations shows a 12th open-ended, un-circumscribed global as it were dimension encompassing all the others at oncement. It wouldn't make any sense to him no matter how you contextualize it. He might even freak out at night when he realizes that you not only can see him while he sleeps - you can make him sit up and pronounce sentences backwards in German, like Das Nevurgnekuf. Just let him remain Fahrvergnügen. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: I can't believe people still talk about this shit. Eleven dimensions? Okay, start explaining. Oh, how funny. Peter actually thinks eleven dimensions is a Hagelin/TM-related idea, so he assumes it's crackpottery. Don't anybody tell him otherwise--just pass the popcorn, and watch him rant! --- On Sun, 2/27/11, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: From: Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Higher Dimensions To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, February 27, 2011, 3:28 PM On Feb 27, 2011, at 1:25 PM, shainm307 wrote: In the Pleiadian messages it talks about higher dimensions. Does anyone know what these dimensions acually do? Yes, I know all about it, having been personally instructed by the Pleiadians themselves. And I'm very happy to share all their knowledge with you~~for a small fee, of course. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Deepak Chopra interview by Playboy
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[FairfieldLife] Master the Three Gunas
The Three Gunas: The Metaphysical Grounding of Physical Reality By Sri Dharma Pravartaka Acharya The empirical reality that we perceive around us is composed of matter. Whether we are referring to the buildings we reside in, the many possessions we strive for, or the very bodies with which we so intimately identify, all objects are composed of the prakriti, or the prime material energy, of God. Of the many qualities that are discernible in prakriti (matter), the essential feature encountered is that of transience. Matter is in a constant state of flux, a continual cycle of becoming, being and dissolution. Thus everything that we perceive around us, though seemingly stable, ultimately is destined to cease existing. Prakriti, herself, is not a purely undifferentiated field of substance. Prakriti consists of a substratum of three different modes, each one dependent upon the other two for their mutual existence and proper functioning. These three modes of prakriti, or material energy, are also known as the three gunas, which in Sanskrit (the ancient, sacred language of Sanatana Dharma) means 'qualities' or 'modes' VISIT HERE TO READ THE REST OF THIS INFORMATIVE ARTICLE: http://www.dharmacentral.com/forum/content.php?19-Three-Gunas Please forward this information to all sincere spiritual seekers. Aum Shanti Shanti Shanti
[FairfieldLife] Re: And the winner of this year's Best Actress award is....'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote: ...Natalie Portman, according to Heidi. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/12437486 Heil to Heidi! :D
