[FairfieldLife] Re: A checklist of psychological traits (was: ...if Maharishi was just a guy)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: That was neat Judy. I didn't quite realize what a hot button issue it was. I must have missed some of the previous discussions about it. Obviously, you did. I did not, and was counting on the compulsive nature of those who cling to the effortless meme to cause one or more of them to dive in and assert its Cosmic Correctness one more time. And I was not disappointed. :-) They *have* to compulsively justify their belief in TM as effortless, because so much of their entire world view is at this point invested in it. And I guess I am inclined more pratically in that the technique works for me, although I am quite irregular in my practice. I just don't care to define effortlessness to the same degree as others. I would use the phrase need to rather than care to. I stand with my original description of such behavior as addicted, and compulsive. But I did enjoy hearing your point of view below. And FWIW, I would not describe your point of view as dogmatic. You are welcome to believe this. I see it somewhat differently. This is *my* view of what's going on. Not The view, just what I see happening in this situation. What I see is that some long-term TMers (interestingly, many of whom never became TM teachers themselves, and who never even met the guy whose effortless metaphor they are trying to present as literal) jump through these Yes, TM is effortless hoops so compulsively because they are really trying to claim that Maharishi didn't lie to us. But he did. As Vaj and I (and some others on this forum whose experience with meditation techniques is not limited to TM) have pointed out, any technique which starts with the words Think the mantra is by definition not effortless. Some effort (no matter how minimal) is involved in thinking the thought *you've been told to think*. Similarly, any technique that also includes the instruction When you become aware that you are not thinking the mantra, come back to it is not effortless. Interestingly enough, if TMers *didn't* ever come back to the mantra, and sat there daydreaming the entire time, THAT would be effortless. But they don't. However they try to color it, they DO come back to the mantra, and they DO expend some minimal effort in doing so. The most fascinating thing to me in this whole spectacle is that in an attempt to (IMO) pretend that Maharishi never lied to us by giving us an oversimplified meta- phor of effortless, and trying to claim that this word is to be taken literally, as it is spoken in the lectures and printed in the dogma and on brochures, is that they're actually willing to claim that Maharishi *lied to others* when he later expanded upon the metaphor of effortlessness. On this very forum we have seen people claim that the talk in which MMY was pinned down by a questioner and admitted that TM was really more like minimal effort in the direction of no effort, he was LYING to that questioner to get them to STFU. In other words, they see nothing wrong with suggesting that Maharishi would lie to one of his students to get them to STFU when they are questioning the literalness of effortless, and prefer that interpretation over the obvious one, that he *lied to them* by claiming that it was effortless in the first place. Yes, I see this compulsion as dogma-based. I see it further as world view dogma-based, in that those who cling to the effortless meme this strongly and claim that TM is done for them rather than something they do *also* believe that they don't do *anything* them- selves. EVERYTHING is done for them by the three gunas, or Nature, or Big Daddy In The Sky. TM is just one more instance of this it's all done *for* me belief system. And THAT is nothing BUT dogma. Their very own senses and perceptions tell them that they are, in fact, the doers of their own actions, but because they've bought so heavily into a philosophy or theory about how the world really works, they try to make the round peg of the world fit into the square hole of the theory that they were taught. *My* view is that TM is not effortless, per se. I can say this because I have experience other forms of meditation that ARE effortless, and have no dualistic object (like a mantra or yantra) that must be thought or visualized or focused on to facilitate or start the process of meditation. The people arguing so compulsively for effortlessness have never had such an experience; the only form of meditation they have ever tried is TM. And the only description they have ever been given as to how meditation works was by the guy who sold them the effortless meme. Their investment or addiction in my opinion is to trying to make a case for that description being literally, 100% correct, *so that they won't have to deal with the possibility that they were lied to by Maharishi*.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A checklist of psychological traits (was: ...if Maharishi was just a guy)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: But I did enjoy hearing your point of view below. And FWIW, I would not describe your point of view as dogmatic. You are welcome to believe this. I see it somewhat differently. This is *my* view of what's going on. Not The view, just what I see happening in this situation. I should point out this caveat of mine, and contrast it with the position taken by Judy. She is *very much* trying to say that her view is the correct view, and the *only* correct view. That's called dogma.
[FairfieldLife] Class Action Lawsuit Against The Source Of FFL Defamation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote: On Mar 2, 2011, at 11:49 AM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@ wrote: Ravi, I respectfully disagree with your diagnosis of Barry. Based on his writings here, he does not have a personality disorder of any sort. Not even one? Bummer. What did I do to get left out? Notice that this crap usually starts to appear when criticism of MMY or the TMO starts reaching critical mass? Pure coincidence I'm sure (snicker). Having looked into the laws regarding defamation of character, I am instructing my attorney to file suit against those who continue to say such defamatory things about me here on Fairfield Life. I'm not suing the posters themselves, mind you. I'm suing those that these posters claim really make their posts for them, with themselves as merely passive, non-doing puppets. I'm suing the Three Gunas. Anyone who is tired of how things are working in the world due to the Three Gunas' meddling interference are welcome to join me in this lawsuit, and turn it into a major Class Action affair. My lawyer tells me that the Three Gunas are loaded and will probably want to settle out of court rather than have to testify themselves, so this lawsuit looks to be a source of easy money for the plaintiffs. Pile on. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: I am sorry that this is your impression. But you should consider that I said this to Lawson, and that he jumped on the thread as they were in the end of the message view, without really having the whole context of our discussion. I'm sorry to see that. I had thought you were one of the very few TM critics around here who had enough self- confidence not to need to engage in that kind of behavior when having discussions with TMers. Hopefully you're just having a bad day or two. Actually, while having very busy days indeed, I had extremely good days. The experiences I talked to you about, I had just now, and I contrasted them to what I knew from my TM years - many years. There is really a stark contrast - not just a gradual one. Not that one is just the magnification of what I thought of as transcendence before, it is totally different IME. That lets me evaluate my own past experiences in a different light. Let's try to keep our disagreements from becoming hostile. I am not hostile to you. I may be provocative at times, and I can't promise I won't be. But it is not directed at you personally. It's been such a pleasure up to now, for me anyway, that we've been able to do that. Glad you can see it that way.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Class Action Lawsuit Against The Source Of FFL Defamation
Hey, since I'm the only licensed psychologist in this group, I think, I will now pass judgement on Barry's psychological health after he answers a few questions: 1) Who is the president of France? 2) Who put the shine in shinola? 3) What is Rick Archer's middle name? 4) Is Maharishi really enlightened or is he hypnotized by an astral demon? --- On Thu, 3/3/11, turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Class Action Lawsuit Against The Source Of FFL Defamation To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, March 3, 2011, 5:41 AM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote: On Mar 2, 2011, at 11:49 AM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@ wrote: Ravi, I respectfully disagree with your diagnosis of Barry. Based on his writings here, he does not have a personality disorder of any sort. Not even one? Bummer. What did I do to get left out? Notice that this crap usually starts to appear when criticism of MMY or the TMO starts reaching critical mass? Pure coincidence I'm sure (snicker). Having looked into the laws regarding defamation of character, I am instructing my attorney to file suit against those who continue to say such defamatory things about me here on Fairfield Life. I'm not suing the posters themselves, mind you. I'm suing those that these posters claim really make their posts for them, with themselves as merely passive, non-doing puppets. I'm suing the Three Gunas. Anyone who is tired of how things are working in the world due to the Three Gunas' meddling interference are welcome to join me in this lawsuit, and turn it into a major Class Action affair. My lawyer tells me that the Three Gunas are loaded and will probably want to settle out of court rather than have to testify themselves, so this lawsuit looks to be a source of easy money for the plaintiffs. Pile on. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Class Action Lawsuit Against The Source Of FFL Defamation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@... wrote: Hey, since I'm the only licensed psychologist in this group, I think, I will now pass judgement on Barry's psychological health after he answers a few questions: 1) Who is the president of France? The former Carla Bruni. She allows her husband Nicholas Sarkozy to think he's in charge, while she really runs things, the same way that Mrs. Raja Ram allows Tony to wear the crown in the family while she really runs things. 2) Who put the shine in shinola? A trick question. There is no shine in shinola, as anyone who can tell the difference between it and shit can tell. 3) What is Rick Archer's middle name? Another trick question. Rick has no middle name. There is merely a gap (some would say Batgap) between his first name and his last name. 4) Is Maharishi really enlightened or is he hypnotized by an astral demon? Maharishi is dead. If one believes that he was enlightened before he died, and believes the stuff he said about the drop returning to the ocean, there is no such entity any- where in the universe as Maharishi any more. Therefore there is nothing/no one that could be hypnotized by an astral demon. Peter, on the other hand, has definitely been hypnotized by an astral demon, working at the behest of the Three Gunas. The demon will be named as a co-conspirator in my class action suit. --- On Thu, 3/3/11, turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Mar 2, 2011, at 11:49 AM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@ wrote: Ravi, I respectfully disagree with your diagnosis of Barry. Based on his writings here, he does not have a personality disorder of any sort. Not even one? Bummer. What did I do to get left out? Notice that this crap usually starts to appear when criticism of MMY or the TMO starts reaching critical mass? Pure coincidence I'm sure (snicker). Having looked into the laws regarding defamation of character, I am instructing my attorney to file suit against those who continue to say such defamatory things about me here on Fairfield Life. I'm not suing the posters themselves, mind you. I'm suing those that these posters claim really make their posts for them, with themselves as merely passive, non-doing puppets. I'm suing the Three Gunas. Anyone who is tired of how things are working in the world due to the Three Gunas' meddling interference are welcome to join me in this lawsuit, and turn it into a major Class Action affair. My lawyer tells me that the Three Gunas are loaded and will probably want to settle out of court rather than have to testify themselves, so this lawsuit looks to be a source of easy money for the plaintiffs. Pile on. :-)
[FairfieldLife] OT Benecol more effective than Becel!
New study: The cholesterol-lowering ingredient of Benecol products, plant stanol ester, shows double maximal cholesterol-lowering efficacy compared to plant sterol ester (OMX) 28.02.2011 klo 12:00 Raisio Company Announcement New study: The cholesterol-lowering ingredient of Benecol products, plant stanol ester, shows double maximal cholesterol-lowering efficacy compared to plant sterol ester Raisio plcStock Exchange Release 28 February 2011 at 12 Finnish time New study: The cholesterol-lowering ingredient of Benecol products, plant stanol ester, shows double maximal cholesterol-lowering efficacy compared to plant sterol ester A new meta-analysis1) shows that the maximal LDL-cholesterol reduction achievable with plant stanol ester is double that seen when plant sterol ester is used. Plant stanol ester is the cholesterol-lowering ingredient unique to Benecol® products. In addition, plant stanol ester produces additional and dose-dependent reductions in LDL-cholesterol with intakes above current recommendations (2 g plant stanols/sterols per day). For plant sterol ester, no such effect was evident. These new data were published in the scientific journal Prostaglandins, Leukotrienes, and Essential Fatty Acids. The meta-analysis by Musa-Veloso et al.1) was based on a large number of scientific studies and included 182 data sets in total. The analysis showed that the estimated maximal LDL-cholesterol reduction was 18.2% for plant stanol ester versus 9.1% for plant sterol ester, with the difference between the two reaching statistical significance. The findings of the new meta-analysis are supported by two recently published independent clinical studies showing LDL-cholesterol reductions of approximately 17% with a daily consumption of 9g plant stanols2), 3). It is known that plant stanols and plant sterols have different structures and that they behave differently in the body, and so it was important to study the LDL-cholesterol-lowering effects of the two substances separately, says Kathy Musa-Veloso PhD, the principle author of the article. The results of the meta-analysis indicate that intakes of plant stanols in excess of 2 g/day - in fact, up to 9 g/day - are associated with further and dose-dependent reductions in LDL-cholesterol. For plant sterols, however, we did not find a dose-response. Several scientific and authoritative bodies recommend a daily consumption of plant stanols or plant sterols for improving blood cholesterol levels. The new data may have significant implications for current practices: The relationship between reductions in LDL-cholesterol and a reduced risk of coronary heart disease is near to linear. In other words, the lower the LDL cholesterol, the lower the risk. These new results are clinically very important as the boosted effect of plant stanol ester with elevated daily intakes may further intensify the coronary heart disease risk reduction at a population level, concludes MD, professor Helena Gylling from the University of Helsinki in Finland. No other single dietary means has proven to be as effective and easy in reducing cholesterol as the daily intake of sufficient amounts of plant stanol ester-containing Benecol foods. The new findings are great news for consumers and for Benecol, as all Benecol products are made with plant stanol ester. Benecol consumers can now be confident that they have selected the most effective food ingredient to lower their cholesterol. In the cholesterol-lowering foods category, the efficacy of the products has a huge influence on consumer choices. With these superior results Benecol can further strengthen its position in the market as well as enter new market areas, says Matti Rihko, CEO of the Raisio Group. Benecol is one of the world leaders in cholesterol-lowering foods and only Benecol products contain plant stanol ester. Plant stanol ester is the cholesterol-lowering food ingredient patented globally by Raisio and Benecol® is a global trademark owned by Raisio. Benecol products are sold and marketed by Raisio's wide network of partners on five continents and in more than 30 countries. The most popular Benecol products include yoghurt drinks, margarine-type spreads, and yoghurts. Raisio Nutrition Ltd. provided funding for the meta-analysis. References: 1) Musa-Veloso K et al (2011). A comparison of the LDL-cholesterol lowering efficacy of plant stanols and plant sterols: Results of a meta-analysis of randomized controlled trials. Prostaglandins, Leukotrienes and Essential Fatty Acids; doi 10.1016/j.plefa.2011.02.001 2) Gylling H et al (2010). The effect of a very high daily plant stanol ester intake on serum lipids, carotenoids, and fat-soluble vitamins. Clinical Nutrition; 29: 112-118. 3) Mensink R et al (2010). Plant stanols dose-dependently decrease LDL-cholesterol concentrations, but not cholesterol-standardized fat-soluble antioxidant concentrations, at intakes up to 9 g/d. American
[FairfieldLife] Re: Please vote yes (agree) or no (disagree) on misc. controversies:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@... wrote: Maharishi killed JFK after he poisoned Guru Dev and stole the crown jewels Post of the week ! :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: A checklist of psychological traits (was: ...if Maharishi was just a guy)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Interestingly enough, if TMers *didn't* ever come back to the mantra, and sat there daydreaming the entire time, THAT would be effortless. But they don't. However they try to color it, they DO come back to the mantra, and they DO expend some minimal effort in doing so. Even thinking thoughts is an effort to this Turq-fellow. It's not surpricing he is in such a mess.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: Yes, it is. You're suggesting I'm all mixed up about transcending and am not experiencing what I think I'm experiencing. You certainly experience what you experience, and the value it has for you only you can ascertain. But about the label you put on it we can have different views, right? But what I was describing isn't what you thought I was describing, as Lawson saw immediately. I had seen it on second glance, but before I answered. snip Because the term--in English, at least--can refer both to the end point and the process of getting there. But my whole point is that I doubt this *process* of getting there. Which one is meant depends on the context. I wrote in the sense that... to ensure (I thought) that it would be clear which I meant: the process, not the end point. As I understand it--this is from the checker training course--this is what the phrase some quietness, some silence refers to in the checking procedure. When the eyes close, thoughts automatically tend to become quieter. (This is the case for everyone, not just meditators; it's reflected in increased alpha activity on EEG. Everybody transcends in that sense.) To me this leads to a very watered down version of transcendence which may be palatable to all. At one point, 'transcendence' is a word used as the defining signature of TM, on the other hand, it is used in a watered down version, as you say, not just for TMers but for anyone, getting in a more relaxed mode. As we know, Maharishi called the transcendence occuring in TM 'hazy' or relative himself, as they are quick dips inside, certainly pleasant and refreshing IME, but I wouldn't call it transcendence anymore. snip At worst, you're talking about *degrees of experience*, not imagining vs. experiencing. IME it is not degrees of the same experience, but a very different experience. Lawson isn't imagining that his thinking self is not present during an experience of transcendental-consciousness-by-itself. Lawson question *my* experience by assumptions of how they had to be. But he simply doesn't know, he just made ignorant conditions IMO That's his experience (right, Lawson?), and also my experience. Of course there's no possibility of picking up the mantra as long as one is in that state. That's not the same either. I know this experience from my TM past, and it is not comparable. These are usually short dips inside. I can relate to your Virtually all thought are pulled out from my brain, although that isn't the way I'd describe TC-by-itself; I'd say the thinking mind has been left behind, or that the thinking process has ceased to operate. I suspect we mean the same thing, though. I don't know if we mean the same thing. 'All thoughts being pulled off your brain' is actually the best description I can come up with. This is the way I experience it. It is in no way comparable to what I experienced when I was still in TM, there your description would fit better, so I suspect it is not the same. OTOH there are strong other indicators, which I had mentioned before, which I did not experience in the usual TM mode. For example, this 'pulling off of thoughts' is accompanied by a strong sensation coming from the forehead chakra, the anja. (and it is of course connected to the Sahasrara, as I had mentioned before). Nobody in TM ever told me about these indicators, but they are invariably the ones going along with it. They are like switches. snip First, when you claim TMers don't experience real transcendence, can you explain the difference between what we experience and what you consider real transcendence? I think I just did. Second, you wrote: I see techniques more on a scale between effortlessness and effort, where no technique is completely effortless (otherwise it wouldn't be a technique at all, nothing to do, not even picking up a mantra, or watching your mind) MMY once said, I'm told, TM isn't a technique. We call it a technique because it works. Nevertheless there are clear instructions, like coming back to the mantra, etc. This was the very thing I was objecting to as a difference. IME one is not in the TM process, but in a self-defined process of its own. It doesn't need to match the TM description and I don't think it usually does. It is more matching the description Vaj posted here recently coming from Dzogchen. In my experience now--not when I first learned; this has become my experience gradually over the years--the mantra picks itself up, as it were. The realization I'm not thinking the mantra and the reappearance of the mantra are indistinguishable. It isn't something I do, it just happens. If it would happen despite of your intention to sit down and meditate it would be even more convincing. But IME at that point, effort vs effortless become meaningless terms. You could just spontaneously
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice
On Mar 2, 2011, at 9:57 PM, WillyTex wrote: blusc0ut: That's Zen...even though it is clear that there is no reference here at all... The Japanese word 'zen' means meditation, from the Sanskrit 'dhyan', Chinese 'chan'. The Buddha, Shakya the Muni, practiced a meditation that was transcendental. The enlightenment tradition in India begins with the historical Buddha. Soto Zen practice, as well as Tibetan Dzogchen, is very similar to TM practice. What, is this a disinformation campaign? What a load of bullshit...or should I say Willy shit? You're full of it.
[FairfieldLife] Tea Party Conservatives and the Christian Right: One and the Same?
Tea Party Conservatives and the Christian Right: One and the Same? A new report released by Scott Clement and John Green of the Pew Forum on Religion Public Life largely confirms the findings of Public Religion Research Institute's American Values Survey. PRRI's American Values Survey, which was conducted in the fall of 2010, debunked much of the conventional wisdom about the Tea Party when it showed that Americans who identified with the Tea Party movement were socially conservative, and had close ties to the Christian Right. PRRI's findings, which were released at a standing room only event at the Brookings Institution, received prominent coverage at the Washington Post, CNN, the Atlantic Monthly, and others. Despite using a different definition of the Tea Party (Tea Party supporters), Pew's analysis of recent polling very closely mirrors Public Religion Research Institute's earlier findings: On Social Issues: While registered voters as a whole are closely divided on same-sex marriage (42 percent in favor, 49 percent opposed), Tea Party supporters oppose it by more than 2-to-1 (64 percent opposed, 26 percent in favor). Similarly, almost six-in-ten (59 percent) of those who agree with the Tea Party say abortion should be illegal in all or most cases, 17 percentage points higher than among all registered voters. Tea Party supporters closely resemble Republican voters as a whole on these issues. On the Relationship between the Tea Party and the Christian Right: Americans who support the conservative Christian movement, sometimes known as the religious right, also overwhelmingly support the Tea Party. In the Pew Research Center's August 2010 poll, 69 percent of registered voters who agreed with the religious right also said they agreed with the Tea Party. Moreover, both the religious right and the Tea Party count a higher percentage of white evangelical Protestants in their ranks. PRRI's American Values Survey found that 63 percent of those who identify with the Tea Party movement believe that abortion should be illegal in all or most cases and only 18 percent support same-sex marriage. Pew found similarly that 59 percent of Tea Party supporters say abortion should be illegal and only 26 percent favor same-sex marriage. (Note: AVS and Pew relied on different questions to measure attitudes on same-sex marriage). Finally, we found that nearly half (47 percent) of those who identify with the Tea Party movement also identify with the Christian Right. Pew found that 42 percent of Tea Party supporters agree with the conservative Christian movement. The new Pew analysis further confirms PRRI's important conclusion made last October -- that the Tea Party rank and file are not in fact secular libertarians but are social conservatives largely drawn from the ranks of the Christian Right. Daniel Cox, PRRI Research Director, also contributed to this post.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice
On Mar 2, 2011, at 7:56 PM, blusc0ut wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: Dyeing the cloth comes from Shankara. Yes? Where exactly and in which context? I read a lot of Shankara but never encountered it. He said that no mantra can make you free. In the specific context of turiya (transcendental consciousness) becoming turiyatita (cosmic consciousness), the best description I've heard is in Kashmir Shaivism. The analogy is that the cloth must be clean in order for oil to penetrate the cloth. The actual analogy that I'm familiar with describes that turiya is first experienced at the gaps between waking, dreaming and deep sleep. Eventually turiya spreads into the other states from the gaps, like oil pervading and spreading through cloth. It's a gradual process.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut no_reply@... wrote: As it is I am simply investigating TM beliefs and conditioning. All of them. I compare them to my present experiences, and catch up with them. So, when I say something about your or Lawsons experience, and definitions, I actually comment about my own past experiences and beliefs. I am in a process of untangling the web of my TM conditioning, and I let you participate. Nobody has to follow me in that, and I understand that some of the things I say may sound offensive, but I want to make clear that it is not meant as putdowns. Liar. Haven't you been keeping up? Only Judy is in a position to state authoritatively what you meant. Your version of what you meant is not the correct version; if she perceived it as a putdown, it's a putdown. Only Judy knows what you really meant. You know...the way she knows that a movie is a bigoted piece of Christian propaganda without ever seeing the movie.** It's a siddhi, dude, and either you have it or you don't. Please take this criticism to heart, and never again make claims about what you meant. Only Judy is allowed to do that. :-) ** http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/126122 A repost of someone else's review of the film (still the closest she's ever gotten to watching it), with the following Subject line and additional commentary supplied *by the person who never saw the movie*, herself: Subject: Mel Gibson, Christian Bigot To highlight what the writer tactfully leaves implicit, Gibson has slandered the Maya and mangled history for the purpose of exalting the purported superiority of Christianity. It's a siddhi. You've either got it or you don't. Maybe you should ask her to teach it to you; then you could make absolutist claims about knowing the correct view of things the way she does. This siddhi comes in very handy when claiming to be authoritative about what was taught by someone you've never met, and about techniques of meditation you've never practiced, the way she does. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice
On Mar 3, 2011, at 7:57 AM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut no_reply@... wrote: As it is I am simply investigating TM beliefs and conditioning. All of them. I compare them to my present experiences, and catch up with them. So, when I say something about your or Lawsons experience, and definitions, I actually comment about my own past experiences and beliefs. I am in a process of untangling the web of my TM conditioning, and I let you participate. Nobody has to follow me in that, and I understand that some of the things I say may sound offensive, but I want to make clear that it is not meant as putdowns. Liar. Haven't you been keeping up? Only Judy is in a position to state authoritatively what you meant. Your version of what you meant is not the correct version; if she perceived it as a putdown, it's a putdown. Only Judy knows what you really meant. Judy's the emblematic hazy TMer lulled into the comfortable buzz of mantra-napping. You don't transcend in this style of TM, you inhabit a comfort zone of pure alpha coherence. But that doesn't stop you from believing that you're transcending and insisting you have direct experience of it. Lest you become unconvinced, you always have the name to come back to convince you. Or mulling over memorized snippets of TM-speak. The latest research. David Lynch Foundation buzz-phrases. There are so many ways to remain comfortable with your TM! So what if you're the longest cloth-dyer in human history? What she really needs is the rug pulled out from underneath her...regularly. The Council for the Restoration of the Purity of the Tradition has plants in most email lists to assure this process continues at a steady pace.
[FairfieldLife] Fighting Privatization and Corporate Control By Taking Back the Commons
George Erickson www.tundracub.com AlterNet / By Maria Armoudian Vision: Fighting Privatization and Corporate Control By Taking Back the Commons A new book, 'All That We Share: A Field Guide to the Commons,' asserts that protecting the commons can help save the environment, the economy and democracy. March 3, 2011 | In an age of privatization in which a handful of large corporations are seeking to divvy up control over vast resources, a new commons is emerging with potential of generating a sharing revolution. From the worldwide web and scientific knowledge to public lands, parks, language, institutes and dot.orgs, the things that we share in common connect us with the broader community. The idea of returning to a commons-based approach is the subject of a new book, titled All That We Share: A Field Guide to the Commons, edited by Jay Walljasper. How big is the commons revival? And what is its promise? Maria Armoudian: All That We Share suggests on its cover that through an expanded commons, we can save the economy, the environment, the Internet, democracy, our communities and everything else that belongs to all of us. That's a heck of a lot to promise. Jay Walljasper: I know, but I truly do believe that the commons is a breakthrough idea. It offers us a new lens, a new way of looking at the world that suddenly can change what we see as possible and what we see as impossible. MA: Although you say it's a revolutionary idea, almost as if it's new, in fact it's as old as civilization, going back to the Romans when it was one of three types of property. Why do you think it's a new concept? JW: Obviously, it's as old as the hills, really, and in fact indigenous societies through the centuries lived by the commons, and so there is nothing new about it, but unfortunately we've lost sight of its importance and how it affects our lives since the Industrial Revolution and particularly over about the last 30 or 40 years. MA: Backing up to the general broad strokes, when you say the commons, what do you include and what do you exclude? JW: My definition that actually tries to distill it is all that we share, but it's also the ways that we share it. And really the commons is everywhere. If you look around, it's hard to think that you'd be anywhere where there wouldn't be some aspect of the commons visible, whether it's just the sky, the environment, the streets, where the Internet is going. The commons is also not just a set of things but a kind of spirit of cooperation that infuses most of human activity. Clearly there are things that aren't the commons too. A bunch of us were sitting around in Germany trying to come up with a list of things that we would definitely not want to be commons. And we decided that at the top of the list was underwear and toothbrushes. So there is certainly a place for private property, and sometimes private property is the very best way to get something done. But in our western culture over the last three or four decades, we have come to believe that private property is the solution to almost any problem. That's just simply not the case. I think there's an awful lot of commons things that we depend upon every day. Do you really want to create your own water filtration system for tap water in your house? Or have your own energy sources, rather than having it come in through the power grid? There are a lot of things that just are more efficient, more equitable and just more commonsense if they're dealt with cooperatively rather than individually. MA: In political science, we have a very famous piece that Bill McKibben noted in your introduction, called The Tragedy of the Commons. The idea behind it is that many people take advantage of the commons by not contributing their share, so say a shared body of water that many think they can pollute or take from. So how do we deal with the tragedy of the commons? JW: The tragedy of the commons exists. One of the biggest tragedies of the commons is the fisheries. Because anyone can fish at any time outside of 20-mile borders, stocks of fish are being depleted. It's amazing to our grandparents that cod, which was once seen as the most common fish in the world, is now an endangered species. But the tragedy of the commons is not universal, and the woman who won the Nobel Prize for economics in 2009 -- Eleanor Austin, who is also a political scientist -- her lifelong work has been to show how in culture after culture around the world, when given the chance, ordinary people figure out ways to ensure that the commons aren't destroyed. She did work in Kenya, Guatemala, Nepal, Turkey, Switzerland and right in Los Angeles, where she grew up. In every case, she found that people aren't stupid, and people aren't competitive to the point of lunacy. And with a small group of people they will come up with the
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mini-Film Review: Never Let Me Go
Just saw this the other day. What a poignant movie. Deeply moving. I went out a bought the book. --- On Thu, 3/3/11, turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mini-Film Review: Never Let Me Go To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, March 3, 2011, 2:50 AM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 03/02/2011 01:43 PM, turquoiseb wrote: Without question one of the best science fiction films I have seen in years, possibly decades. At the same time, one of the saddest science fiction films I have seen, because it's about So Possible a future. Tremendous performances by Carey Mulligan, Andrew Garfield, and Keira Knightley, and their younger counterparts in the film. Based on a novel by Kazuo Ishiguro, author of The Remains Of The Day. 10 stars out of 10. Not everybody's cuppa tea. Funny Netflix and Redbox lists it as a drama and romance while Vudu says sci-fi. Both are correct. There are no special effects, because none are needed to tell the story. On one level, it's the story of three kids growing up in an idyllic, seemingly utopian school in the English countryside. The foreground plot is thus on one level a common, garden-variety romance and love story. Where the drama comes in, and where the scifi comes in, is the *background* against which this foreground plot plays itself out. Rather than a utopian environment in which to grow up, this one is more dystopian. I can say no more, for fear of giving away things that are better not found out about before seeing the movie. The affecting thing about this film is that it shows A Dystopia That Could Easily Happen in our society, here and now, today. It actually IS happening in some places already. That is what elevates this film from mere scifi What if this happened thinking to more real-world Oh shit...given what we've seen of human nature, *of course* this is going to happen thinking. As I suggested earlier, dystopias are not every- body's cuppa tea, even ones so gorgeously written as this one. They'd prefer utopias and visions of heaven on Earth. This film/novel is more about showing how one person's heaven is another's hell. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mini-Film Review: Never Let Me Go
I found the book to be one long bore. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@... wrote: Just saw this the other day. What a poignant movie. Deeply moving. I went out a bought the book. --- On Thu, 3/3/11, turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mini-Film Review: Never Let Me Go To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, March 3, 2011, 2:50 AM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: On 03/02/2011 01:43 PM, turquoiseb wrote: Without question one of the best science fiction films I have seen in years, possibly decades. At the same time, one of the saddest science fiction films I have seen, because it's about So Possible a future. Tremendous performances by Carey Mulligan, Andrew Garfield, and Keira Knightley, and their younger counterparts in the film. Based on a novel by Kazuo Ishiguro, author of The Remains Of The Day. 10 stars out of 10. Not everybody's cuppa tea. Funny Netflix and Redbox lists it as a drama and romance while Vudu says sci-fi. Both are correct. There are no special effects, because none are needed to tell the story. On one level, it's the story of three kids growing up in an idyllic, seemingly utopian school in the English countryside. The foreground plot is thus on one level a common, garden-variety romance and love story. Where the drama comes in, and where the scifi comes in, is the *background* against which this foreground plot plays itself out. Rather than a utopian environment in which to grow up, this one is more dystopian. I can say no more, for fear of giving away things that are better not found out about before seeing the movie. The affecting thing about this film is that it shows A Dystopia That Could Easily Happen in our society, here and now, today. It actually IS happening in some places already. That is what elevates this film from mere scifi What if this happened thinking to more real-world Oh shit...given what we've seen of human nature, *of course* this is going to happen thinking. As I suggested earlier, dystopias are not every- body's cuppa tea, even ones so gorgeously written as this one. They'd prefer utopias and visions of heaven on Earth. This film/novel is more about showing how one person's heaven is another's hell. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: And the drawing back the bow metaphor isn't MMY's either as far as I know. Also, it seems obvious that established in Being, perform action Well, yoga-sthaH kuru karmaaNi (yoga-staying, perform action). Vyaasa: yogaH samaadhiH (yoga [is] samaadhi). Ergo: samaadhi-staying, perform action?? :o There's also meditate and chop wood Shall I go on? Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice
You don't transcend in this style of TM... This style of TM? There are no styles of TM. Like any other technique, there is a correct way to do it, period. And probably endless ways we could discuss for years on how not to do it - lol. You wouldn't try to hammer a nail into a wall with the nail reversed, would you? You're probably referring to your old story about people napping in the Domes. Yeah, some catch s in there. Its what happens when tamas encounters sattva- tamas always wins - you go to sleep. I imagine with a low protein vegetarian diet, lots of sitting, little exercise and a long meditation program, you'd feel pretty listless anyway.:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Mar 3, 2011, at 7:57 AM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut no_reply@ wrote: As it is I am simply investigating TM beliefs and conditioning. All of them. I compare them to my present experiences, and catch up with them. So, when I say something about your or Lawsons experience, and definitions, I actually comment about my own past experiences and beliefs. I am in a process of untangling the web of my TM conditioning, and I let you participate. Nobody has to follow me in that, and I understand that some of the things I say may sound offensive, but I want to make clear that it is not meant as putdowns. Liar. Haven't you been keeping up? Only Judy is in a position to state authoritatively what you meant. Your version of what you meant is not the correct version; if she perceived it as a putdown, it's a putdown. Only Judy knows what you really meant. Judy's the emblematic hazy TMer lulled into the comfortable buzz of mantra-napping. You don't transcend in this style of TM, you inhabit a comfort zone of pure alpha coherence. But that doesn't stop you from believing that you're transcending and insisting you have direct experience of it. Lest you become unconvinced, you always have the name to come back to convince you. Or mulling over memorized snippets of TM-speak. The latest research. David Lynch Foundation buzz-phrases. There are so many ways to remain comfortable with your TM! So what if you're the longest cloth-dyer in human history? What she really needs is the rug pulled out from underneath her...regularly. The Council for the Restoration of the Purity of the Tradition has plants in most email lists to assure this process continues at a steady pace.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mini-Film Review: Never Let Me Go
Sounds like a movie to watch for - I am curious about what you said about dystopia not being everyone's preference. If you have a choice to experience heaven or hell - other than a very brief sense of curiosity, why would you choose hell over heaven? :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: On 03/02/2011 01:43 PM, turquoiseb wrote: Without question one of the best science fiction films I have seen in years, possibly decades. At the same time, one of the saddest science fiction films I have seen, because it's about So Possible a future. Tremendous performances by Carey Mulligan, Andrew Garfield, and Keira Knightley, and their younger counterparts in the film. Based on a novel by Kazuo Ishiguro, author of The Remains Of The Day. 10 stars out of 10. Not everybody's cuppa tea. Funny Netflix and Redbox lists it as a drama and romance while Vudu says sci-fi. Both are correct. There are no special effects, because none are needed to tell the story. On one level, it's the story of three kids growing up in an idyllic, seemingly utopian school in the English countryside. The foreground plot is thus on one level a common, garden-variety romance and love story. Where the drama comes in, and where the scifi comes in, is the *background* against which this foreground plot plays itself out. Rather than a utopian environment in which to grow up, this one is more dystopian. I can say no more, for fear of giving away things that are better not found out about before seeing the movie. The affecting thing about this film is that it shows A Dystopia That Could Easily Happen in our society, here and now, today. It actually IS happening in some places already. That is what elevates this film from mere scifi What if this happened thinking to more real-world Oh shit...given what we've seen of human nature, *of course* this is going to happen thinking. As I suggested earlier, dystopias are not every- body's cuppa tea, even ones so gorgeously written as this one. They'd prefer utopias and visions of heaven on Earth. This film/novel is more about showing how one person's heaven is another's hell.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice
I believe the term might be whale shit. Willy, wake up! Is this another wiki-moment for you. Doesn't this happen rather often for you? Shouldn't you ask your doctor about this? Chan/Sön/Zen teachings have for the past 1000 years repudiated the identification of Chan/Sön/Zen with dhyana/chan-na. Chan/Sön/Zen is a specific training, defined by the particular lineage with which one engages. It is a practice that looks directly into the nature of one's own mind. This looking is considered a key to successful practice. It is totally other than TM practice. ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: What, is this a disinformation campaign? What a load of bullshit...or should I say Willy shit? You're full of it. On Mar 2, 2011, at 9:57 PM, WillyTex wrote: blusc0ut: That's Zen...even though it is clear that there is no reference here at all... The Japanese word 'zen' means meditation, from the Sanskrit 'dhyan', Chinese 'chan'. The Buddha, Shakya the Muni, practiced a meditation that was transcendental. The enlightenment tradition in India begins with the historical Buddha. Soto Zen practice, as well as Tibetan Dzogchen, is very similar to TM practice. What, is this a disinformation campaign? What a load of bullshit...or should I say Willy shit? You're full of it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice
Yep, in his Bhagavad Gita and Brahma Sutra commentaries Shankara unconditionally denounced the fools who use om ... even when they are dying. Yes? Where exactly and in which context? I read a lot of Shankara but never encountered it. He said that no mantra can make you free. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Mar 2, 2011, at 7:56 PM, blusc0ut wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: Dyeing the cloth comes from Shankara. Yes? Where exactly and in which context? I read a lot of Shankara but never encountered it. He said that no mantra can make you free. In the specific context of turiya (transcendental consciousness) becoming turiyatita (cosmic consciousness), the best description I've heard is in Kashmir Shaivism. The analogy is that the cloth must be clean in order for oil to penetrate the cloth. The actual analogy that I'm familiar with describes that turiya is first experienced at the gaps between waking, dreaming and deep sleep. Eventually turiya spreads into the other states from the gaps, like oil pervading and spreading through cloth. It's a gradual process.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mini-Film Review: Never Let Me Go
I haven't seen the movie yet but films that take place in dystopian society arouse my interest because they reflect the direction our society is going. In fact one idea I had for a TV series takes place in a community post economic collapse where life is simpler and much slower. The idea was to sell that we would lose our affluence but regain our humanity. Of course a preachy version would not be of much interest to the public so instead to tell human stories against the background of that community. And of course human stories emphasize the humanity angle. Sounds like the concept this book/film is based on (but then I haven't seen it yet). On 03/03/2011 08:21 AM, whynotnow7 wrote: Sounds like a movie to watch for - I am curious about what you said about dystopia not being everyone's preference. If you have a choice to experience heaven or hell - other than a very brief sense of curiosity, why would you choose hell over heaven? :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoisebno_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@ wrote: On 03/02/2011 01:43 PM, turquoiseb wrote: Without question one of the best science fiction films I have seen in years, possibly decades. At the same time, one of the saddest science fiction films I have seen, because it's about So Possible a future. Tremendous performances by Carey Mulligan, Andrew Garfield, and Keira Knightley, and their younger counterparts in the film. Based on a novel by Kazuo Ishiguro, author of The Remains Of The Day. 10 stars out of 10. Not everybody's cuppa tea. Funny Netflix and Redbox lists it as a drama and romance while Vudu says sci-fi. Both are correct. There are no special effects, because none are needed to tell the story. On one level, it's the story of three kids growing up in an idyllic, seemingly utopian school in the English countryside. The foreground plot is thus on one level a common, garden-variety romance and love story. Where the drama comes in, and where the scifi comes in, is the *background* against which this foreground plot plays itself out. Rather than a utopian environment in which to grow up, this one is more dystopian. I can say no more, for fear of giving away things that are better not found out about before seeing the movie. The affecting thing about this film is that it shows A Dystopia That Could Easily Happen in our society, here and now, today. It actually IS happening in some places already. That is what elevates this film from mere scifi What if this happened thinking to more real-world Oh shit...given what we've seen of human nature, *of course* this is going to happen thinking. As I suggested earlier, dystopias are not every- body's cuppa tea, even ones so gorgeously written as this one. They'd prefer utopias and visions of heaven on Earth. This film/novel is more about showing how one person's heaven is another's hell.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Please vote yes (agree) or no (disagree) on misc. controversies:
On 03/02/2011 07:16 PM, WillyTex wrote: 1. All bullets that hit JFK came from one rifle, shot by Oswald. Bhairitu: No. So, you're thinking there was a second gunman on the grassy knoll? You're neighbor is in the current Rolling Stone issue: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/talk-radios-alex-jones-the-most-paranoid-man-in-america-20110302?page=1
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US Against Libya?
Bernanke keeps printing money which means the dollars in your wallet are worth less. Soon it will be cheaper to wipe your ass with a $20 bill than buy toilet paper. Have you seen the price of toilet paper lately. The rich hate us for our freedom. They would probably try to do a false flag to convince the populace we need to have an incursion into Libya. Problem is since 9-11 many of us have spent a lot of time wising up people to such things that they risk getting caught in the process. On 03/02/2011 06:10 PM, seekliberation wrote: It's disappointing to see that some even suggest it. China and Russia are already avoiding dealing with our currency because it has no backing or substantial value. An entire generation of self-serving people who act with a sense of absolute entitlement are about to wake up to the fact that there is no more money. We may not have enough to even defend ourselves, let alone go around the world playing police officer games. seekliberation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Johnjr_esq@... wrote: We don't have any more money to waste for another war in the Middle East. http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thelookout/20110302/ts_yblog_thelookout/u-s-contemplates-military-options-as-libyan-unrest-continues
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mini-Film Review: Never Let Me Go
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: I haven't seen the movie yet but films that take place in dystopian society arouse my interest because they reflect the direction our society is going. In fact one idea I had for a TV series takes place in a community post economic collapse where life is simpler and much slower. The idea was to sell that we would lose our affluence but regain our humanity. Of course a preachy version would not be of much interest to the public so instead to tell human stories against the background of that community. And of course human stories emphasize the humanity angle. Sounds like the concept this book/film is based on (but then I haven't seen it yet). I'll comment -- with spoilers this time -- because Jimbo's question/putdown is just too naive to let pass. I am told that in the original novel the gotcha of this seemingly utopian English school is not revealed until halfway through the book. In the film it's kinda obvious to the discerning viewer early on, so I don't think I'm spoiling anything for anyone. The kids being raised in this seemingly-progressive school are being raised as transplant livestock. Their fate was sealed the moment whatever circumstances placed them in the school. They are raised, fed well, and kept healthy so that at a certain point when one of the rich people who are paying for all of this need a transplant, the Donors supply them. The reality of this is that after 3 or 4 such donations, the Donors die. While the rich live. Why be interested in such dystopian visions? Because this is already happening on planet Earth. Poor people in Asia are being suckered into selling one of their organs for peanuts, and many die afterwards when either one of their remaining organs fails, or during the surgery itself. I know of no instances in which kids are raised as donors from birth, but given the sense of entitlement with which the rich feel that they deserve a replacement organ when they need one, I would not be surprised if it has happened. The kids who grow into adulthood in this film live on made- up stories about how noble their lives are, and on equally made-up escape clauses, such as If two donors fall in love, they are given a deferrment and not forced to donate. In other words, they live on dreams of a utopia *that does not exist*. Those who passively accept their fate call the inevitable moment when they have been used up and die from all the surgeries completion, and look on it as a Good Thing. It seems that Jimbo identifies with them. I'm pretty sure that there are a few dome-goers in Fairfield who honestly believe that the world is at peace because of their butt-bouncing, and that all crime has been eradicated. They have chosen heaven on earth, even though it does not exist, and reality for much of the world's population is still hell. Jimbo seems to think that this is a Good Thing. Me, given a choice between reality and a pretty story of the way life would be if it weren't so...uh...not like that, I'm gonnna go with reality every time. On 03/03/2011 08:21 AM, whynotnow7 wrote: Sounds like a movie to watch for - I am curious about what you said about dystopia not being everyone's preference. If you have a choice to experience heaven or hell - other than a very brief sense of curiosity, why would you choose hell over heaven? :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Mar 2, 2011, at 9:57 PM, WillyTex wrote: blusc0ut: That's Zen...even though it is clear that there is no reference here at all... The Japanese word 'zen' means meditation, from the Sanskrit 'dhyan', Chinese 'chan'. The Buddha, Shakya the Muni, practiced a meditation that was transcendental. The enlightenment tradition in India begins with the historical Buddha. Soto Zen practice, as well as Tibetan Dzogchen, is very similar to TM practice. What, is this a disinformation campaign? disinformation campaign ? Vaj would be first to spot one. :-) What a load of bullshit...or should I say Willy shit? You're full of it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: US Against Libya?
This the reason why the interest rates will go up again when the Fed buys more government bonds to the tune of $900 billion from the market. That means, there will be more cash dollars available in the market which would drive up inflation. At the present time, the stock market is going up because stocks are considered a hedge against inflationary forces. It's only a matter of time before Bernanke tweaks the interest rate upwards some more. Also, it appears that Obama is following an old American doctrine to intervene anywhere in the world whenever there's trouble or American investments involved. But the puzzle is that I don't think there are any American oil companies in Libya. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: Bernanke keeps printing money which means the dollars in your wallet are worth less. Soon it will be cheaper to wipe your ass with a $20 bill than buy toilet paper. Have you seen the price of toilet paper lately. The rich hate us for our freedom. They would probably try to do a false flag to convince the populace we need to have an incursion into Libya. Problem is since 9-11 many of us have spent a lot of time wising up people to such things that they risk getting caught in the process. On 03/02/2011 06:10 PM, seekliberation wrote: It's disappointing to see that some even suggest it. China and Russia are already avoiding dealing with our currency because it has no backing or substantial value. An entire generation of self-serving people who act with a sense of absolute entitlement are about to wake up to the fact that there is no more money. We may not have enough to even defend ourselves, let alone go around the world playing police officer games. seekliberation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Johnjr_esq@ wrote: We don't have any more money to waste for another war in the Middle East. http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thelookout/20110302/ts_yblog_thelookout/u-s-contemplates-military-options-as-libyan-unrest-continues
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice
On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 6:30 AM, blusc0ut no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: As we know, Maharishi called the transcendence occuring in TM 'hazy' or relative himself, as they are quick dips inside, certainly pleasant and refreshing IME, but I wouldn't call it transcendence anymore. Not he didn't. He referred to unclear transcending because of fatigue hazy transcending. Otherwise you've got clear transcending. I assume hazy transcending is when you don't know when you've transcended or not. For me clear transcending is when I drop out of sight for seconds to hours, no mantra, no thought, no sense of having been asleep, no sense of waking up. I've transcended from seconds to almost a full 24 hours on the weekend. Being gone for up to 24 hours is disconcerting. It puts me out of sync with my normal life and schedule.
[FairfieldLife] Dr. Greg Goode on nonduality and non-doership
Yes, many nondual folks have tried to set forth theories about what there really is in the world. Atoms, minds, brains, particles, free will, logic, enlightenment, etc. These are spoken of as though they are real, true, objectively existing things. Nonduality is a way of seeing and being that can't take any of those issues seriously. They just don't get off the ground. To make claims either way, to say X or to say not X -- both assume an X to begin with. For these assumptions and gestalts and ontological seriousness and Cartesian anxiety to fall away is to be free from existence and non-existence. Various spiritual theories make metaphysical claims one way or the other. Inside these stories, existence and non-existence are posited of different X's and Y's. But what matter of fact is there unless already from the perspective of inside one of the stories?Ad you noted with your mention of the book The Moral Landscape, one guy's story isn't the other guy's story! And these existences are posited only inside the stories. I know the stories well. I know why the neo story needs its non-doership and notions of gunas and electric toasters and microwave ovens. But you can't look to closely at any of these stories or they break down in incoherences. Ironically enough, they never point like they claim to. The neo story about Enlightened Entities - it's making existence/non-existence claims about doership. BUT, If there is not doership, then why do they say Unenlightened folks have it? How can they have it if it doesn't exist? And if there is doership, then why don't Enlightened folks have it? If it really exists, then can it disappear? And what's left? If it's a microwave oven or an electic blender with consciousness flowing through it -- well, that's still a lot of stuff hanging around the neo's ontology - it's not very nondual! :-) So why isn't the existence of (non)doership the same across the board? Why are E-people like rocks and Non-E people different? Is there an E-chromosome that melts when one goes to certain satsangs? What's up wid dat story?? These are just more examples about how both claims of existence and claims of non-existence don't make sense. The related political or ethical issues are interesting to observe. It's sure convenient for a person to be elevated into the ranks of the true non-doer, so that no normative strictures apply. Yay! Ethical holiday! But for poor everyday non-E seeker-schlubs, well, they still have to watch their P's and Q's! That's just elitist, Right Wing politics all around! Have you seen the book Spiritual Bypassing: When Spirituality Disconnects Us from What Really Matters, by Robert Augustus Masters? http://tinyurl.com/47mufw6
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice
On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 6:56 PM, blusc0ut no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Yes? Where exactly and in which context? I read a lot of Shankara but never encountered it. He said that no mantra can make you free. But of course no mantra can make you free. No mantra, no thought = transcending. The seeds of karma are roasted in the fire of knowledge. Transcending is the ultimate knowledge. So no mantra, no thoughts make you free. That was Maharishi's mission and Maharishi fulfilled the goal and teaching of Shankara and Guru Dev, of Shankara's tradition.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mini-Film Review: Never Let Me Go
On 03/03/2011 09:53 AM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@... wrote: I haven't seen the movie yet but films that take place in dystopian society arouse my interest because they reflect the direction our society is going. In fact one idea I had for a TV series takes place in a community post economic collapse where life is simpler and much slower. The idea was to sell that we would lose our affluence but regain our humanity. Of course a preachy version would not be of much interest to the public so instead to tell human stories against the background of that community. And of course human stories emphasize the humanity angle. Sounds like the concept this book/film is based on (but then I haven't seen it yet). I'll comment -- with spoilers this time -- because Jimbo's question/putdown is just too naive to let pass. I am told that in the original novel the gotcha of this seemingly utopian English school is not revealed until halfway through the book. In the film it's kinda obvious to the discerning viewer early on, so I don't think I'm spoiling anything for anyone. The kids being raised in this seemingly-progressive school are being raised as transplant livestock. Their fate was sealed the moment whatever circumstances placed them in the school. They are raised, fed well, and kept healthy so that at a certain point when one of the rich people who are paying for all of this need a transplant, the Donors supply them. The reality of this is that after 3 or 4 such donations, the Donors die. While the rich live. Why be interested in such dystopian visions? Because this is already happening on planet Earth. Poor people in Asia are being suckered into selling one of their organs for peanuts, and many die afterwards when either one of their remaining organs fails, or during the surgery itself. I know of no instances in which kids are raised as donors from birth, but given the sense of entitlement with which the rich feel that they deserve a replacement organ when they need one, I would not be surprised if it has happened. The kids who grow into adulthood in this film live on made- up stories about how noble their lives are, and on equally made-up escape clauses, such as If two donors fall in love, they are given a deferrment and not forced to donate. In other words, they live on dreams of a utopia *that does not exist*. Those who passively accept their fate call the inevitable moment when they have been used up and die from all the surgeries completion, and look on it as a Good Thing. It seems that Jimbo identifies with them. I'm pretty sure that there are a few dome-goers in Fairfield who honestly believe that the world is at peace because of their butt-bouncing, and that all crime has been eradicated. They have chosen heaven on earth, even though it does not exist, and reality for much of the world's population is still hell. Jimbo seems to think that this is a Good Thing. Me, given a choice between reality and a pretty story of the way life would be if it weren't so...uh...not like that, I'm gonnna go with reality every time. I waited to see what Netflix was going to send me this morning since I returned a disc yesterday (the dreadful Resident Evil latest which I gave 2 stars). But they're sending out Shameless the original series disc so I picked up the DVD at Redbox to watch tonight. I might take a month to get the Bluray from Netflix but this movies was easy to find and apparently not a popular choice here. But then when I look at Netflix's what people in your town are watching folks here have little taste which I knew from looking at selections at the local groceries and what the espresso places have for goodies. And of course the movie I watched last night on Netflix probably wouldn't go over much around here either because it has subtitles! Yup, it is the French film Mesrine: Part 1: Killer Instinct. Great film and not for bliss ninnies though it might be healthy for those parasympathetic dominant types to revive their adrenal glands. It's a biopic about the notorious French gangster Mesrine. http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/Mesrine_Part_1_Killer_Instinct/70107140 I hope I put my request in early enough last year for Inside Game that I'll get it on Tuesday if I send the Shameless disc back Monday (probably take the weekend to get through the episodes anyway).
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US Against Libya?
I think you're only seeing part of the story and usually only in terms of what the MSM says. You need to dig deeper and read more investigative reporting which is consider un-PC in the MSM world. The US is on it's deathbed. MMY was right though he wasn't the only one saying it and it was only a matter of time before the US after the USSR would collapse. Unless alien spaceships arrive and arrest the billionaires are you going to solve this problem. And I'd probably sooner see a flying pig than that happening. On 03/03/2011 10:33 AM, John wrote: This the reason why the interest rates will go up again when the Fed buys more government bonds to the tune of $900 billion from the market. That means, there will be more cash dollars available in the market which would drive up inflation. At the present time, the stock market is going up because stocks are considered a hedge against inflationary forces. It's only a matter of time before Bernanke tweaks the interest rate upwards some more. Also, it appears that Obama is following an old American doctrine to intervene anywhere in the world whenever there's trouble or American investments involved. But the puzzle is that I don't think there are any American oil companies in Libya. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@... wrote: Bernanke keeps printing money which means the dollars in your wallet are worth less. Soon it will be cheaper to wipe your ass with a $20 bill than buy toilet paper. Have you seen the price of toilet paper lately. The rich hate us for our freedom. They would probably try to do a false flag to convince the populace we need to have an incursion into Libya. Problem is since 9-11 many of us have spent a lot of time wising up people to such things that they risk getting caught in the process. On 03/02/2011 06:10 PM, seekliberation wrote: It's disappointing to see that some even suggest it. China and Russia are already avoiding dealing with our currency because it has no backing or substantial value. An entire generation of self-serving people who act with a sense of absolute entitlement are about to wake up to the fact that there is no more money. We may not have enough to even defend ourselves, let alone go around the world playing police officer games. seekliberation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Johnjr_esq@ wrote: We don't have any more money to waste for another war in the Middle East. http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thelookout/20110302/ts_yblog_thelookout/u-s-contemplates-military-options-as-libyan-unrest-continues
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@... wrote: On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 6:30 AM, blusc0ut no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: As we know, Maharishi called the transcendence occuring in TM 'hazy' or relative himself, as they are quick dips inside, certainly pleasant and refreshing IME, but I wouldn't call it transcendence anymore. Not he didn't. He referred to unclear transcending because of fatigue hazy transcending. Otherwise you've got clear transcending. No, not true. The argument was, that as long as there is stress in the nervous system, the transcending couldn't be completly pure, it was somewhat 'hazy', this was contrasted with the one Big Transcending, when you finally enter CC, and all stress would have been dissolved. I assume hazy transcending is when you don't know when you've transcended or not. For me clear transcending is when I drop out of sight for seconds to hours, no mantra, no thought, no sense of having been asleep, no sense of waking up. I've transcended from seconds to almost a full 24 hours on the weekend. Being gone for up to 24 hours is disconcerting. It puts me out of sync with my normal life and schedule. Well, that sure sounds impressive. What is with bliss? You have bliss while transcending, or no perception at all. To me, most of TM transcending is mental laya, it is not even the opening of the soul (atma) which is in the heart. I transcended many times in TM without experiencing the soul. Once you realize that, you see that it is different. This is what Ramana Maharshi talks about, when he wants people to direct attention to the I-I in the heart.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@... wrote: On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 6:56 PM, blusc0ut no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Yes? Where exactly and in which context? I read a lot of Shankara but never encountered it. He said that no mantra can make you free. But of course no mantra can make you free. No mantra, no thought = transcending. The seeds of karma are roasted in the fire of knowledge. Transcending is the ultimate knowledge. So no mantra, no thoughts make you free. That was Maharishi's mission and Maharishi fulfilled the goal and teaching of Shankara and Guru Dev, of Shankara's tradition. LoL, you are funny.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: Yep, in his Bhagavad Gita and Brahma Sutra commentaries Shankara unconditionally denounced the fools who use om ... even when they are dying. TMers probably will tell you that this is the reason they don't use OM. Yet it's clear he meant all Bija mantras. Yes? Where exactly and in which context? I read a lot of Shankara but never encountered it. He said that no mantra can make you free. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Mar 2, 2011, at 7:56 PM, blusc0ut wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: Dyeing the cloth comes from Shankara. Yes? Where exactly and in which context? I read a lot of Shankara but never encountered it. He said that no mantra can make you free. In the specific context of turiya (transcendental consciousness) becoming turiyatita (cosmic consciousness), the best description I've heard is in Kashmir Shaivism. The analogy is that the cloth must be clean in order for oil to penetrate the cloth. The actual analogy that I'm familiar with describes that turiya is first experienced at the gaps between waking, dreaming and deep sleep. Eventually turiya spreads into the other states from the gaps, like oil pervading and spreading through cloth. It's a gradual process.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Mar 2, 2011, at 7:56 PM, blusc0ut wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: Dyeing the cloth comes from Shankara. Yes? Where exactly and in which context? I read a lot of Shankara but never encountered it. He said that no mantra can make you free. In the specific context of turiya (transcendental consciousness) becoming turiyatita (cosmic consciousness), the best description I've heard is in Kashmir Shaivism. The analogy is that the cloth must be clean in order for oil to penetrate the cloth. The actual analogy that I'm familiar with describes that turiya is first experienced at the gaps between waking, dreaming and deep sleep. Eventually turiya spreads into the other states from the gaps, like oil pervading and spreading through cloth. It's a gradual process. Now thats interesting. I think that maharishi took a lot of ideas from Kashmere Shaivaism. I would have prefered Maharishi gave his sources: The Mandukya Upanishad defines turiya as: The fourth (i.e. Turiya) is NOT a state. It is the background on which dream and wake arises and disappears. Turiya is just another term to describe pure awareness. It is also called the Nirvikalpa. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turiya Did we learn this that PC is not a state? http://allisasis.info/glisten/media/blogs/blog/ShivaSutras.pdf 3.20 The fourth state (turya) must be expanded like oil so that it pervades the other three: waking, dreaming and deep sleep. 3.24 When a yogi, in coming out from samadhi, also attemots to maintain awareness of God consciousness in the objective world, then, even though his real nature of Self is destroyed by the inferior generation of self-consciousness, he again rises in that supreme nature of the Self. Obviously mantra repetition is not necessary for him: 3.27 Ordinary talk of life is the recitation of mantra. Mentioning of Chakras, in connection with the establishment of Turiya: 3.29 The one who rules the wheel of energies becomes the cause of inserting knowledge in others. 3.44 If his consciousness is established in the central vein in that force, which is the energy of life (pranan), then he remains always the same. For him there is no di#64256;erence in traveling in prana, apana of susumna.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mini-Film Review: Never Let Me Go
I'll go with reality too, every time. :-) I didn't mean to imply that what I was saying had to do with your movie - it is more of a hypothetical question. I don't mean either to disavow or ignore the suffering in the world that surrounds me. It is difficult for me to even imagine the pain of some people's lives. Earth is very much a combination of heaven and hell, no question about that. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: I haven't seen the movie yet but films that take place in dystopian society arouse my interest because they reflect the direction our society is going. In fact one idea I had for a TV series takes place in a community post economic collapse where life is simpler and much slower. The idea was to sell that we would lose our affluence but regain our humanity. Of course a preachy version would not be of much interest to the public so instead to tell human stories against the background of that community. And of course human stories emphasize the humanity angle. Sounds like the concept this book/film is based on (but then I haven't seen it yet). I'll comment -- with spoilers this time -- because Jimbo's question/putdown is just too naive to let pass. I am told that in the original novel the gotcha of this seemingly utopian English school is not revealed until halfway through the book. In the film it's kinda obvious to the discerning viewer early on, so I don't think I'm spoiling anything for anyone. The kids being raised in this seemingly-progressive school are being raised as transplant livestock. Their fate was sealed the moment whatever circumstances placed them in the school. They are raised, fed well, and kept healthy so that at a certain point when one of the rich people who are paying for all of this need a transplant, the Donors supply them. The reality of this is that after 3 or 4 such donations, the Donors die. While the rich live. Why be interested in such dystopian visions? Because this is already happening on planet Earth. Poor people in Asia are being suckered into selling one of their organs for peanuts, and many die afterwards when either one of their remaining organs fails, or during the surgery itself. I know of no instances in which kids are raised as donors from birth, but given the sense of entitlement with which the rich feel that they deserve a replacement organ when they need one, I would not be surprised if it has happened. The kids who grow into adulthood in this film live on made- up stories about how noble their lives are, and on equally made-up escape clauses, such as If two donors fall in love, they are given a deferrment and not forced to donate. In other words, they live on dreams of a utopia *that does not exist*. Those who passively accept their fate call the inevitable moment when they have been used up and die from all the surgeries completion, and look on it as a Good Thing. It seems that Jimbo identifies with them. I'm pretty sure that there are a few dome-goers in Fairfield who honestly believe that the world is at peace because of their butt-bouncing, and that all crime has been eradicated. They have chosen heaven on earth, even though it does not exist, and reality for much of the world's population is still hell. Jimbo seems to think that this is a Good Thing. Me, given a choice between reality and a pretty story of the way life would be if it weren't so...uh...not like that, I'm gonnna go with reality every time. On 03/03/2011 08:21 AM, whynotnow7 wrote: Sounds like a movie to watch for - I am curious about what you said about dystopia not being everyone's preference. If you have a choice to experience heaven or hell - other than a very brief sense of curiosity, why would you choose hell over heaven? :-)
[FairfieldLife] The Direct Path
Dr. Greg Goode on the Direct Path http://www.advaita-academy.org/interviews/Greg%20Goode.ashx
[FairfieldLife] e-book on Advaita from advaita.org.uk
-- Subject: e-book on Advaita from advaita.org.uk http://www.advaita.org.uk/discourses/q_and_a/q_and_a.htm
[FairfieldLife] Dennis Waite on Neo-Advaita
--- Subject: Dennis Waite on Neo-Advaita http://www.nondualitymagazine.org/nonduality_magazine.denniswaite.interview.htm
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice
OM sweet OM :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Yep, in his Bhagavad Gita and Brahma Sutra commentaries Shankara unconditionally denounced the fools who use om ... even when they are dying. TMers probably will tell you that this is the reason they don't use OM. Yet it's clear he meant all Bija mantras. Yes? Where exactly and in which context? I read a lot of Shankara but never encountered it. He said that no mantra can make you free. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Mar 2, 2011, at 7:56 PM, blusc0ut wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: Dyeing the cloth comes from Shankara. Yes? Where exactly and in which context? I read a lot of Shankara but never encountered it. He said that no mantra can make you free. In the specific context of turiya (transcendental consciousness) becoming turiyatita (cosmic consciousness), the best description I've heard is in Kashmir Shaivism. The analogy is that the cloth must be clean in order for oil to penetrate the cloth. The actual analogy that I'm familiar with describes that turiya is first experienced at the gaps between waking, dreaming and deep sleep. Eventually turiya spreads into the other states from the gaps, like oil pervading and spreading through cloth. It's a gradual process.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mini-Film Review: Never Let Me Go
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: I haven't seen the movie yet but films that take place in dystopian society arouse my interest because they reflect the direction our society is going. In fact one idea I had for a TV series takes place in a community post economic collapse where life is simpler and much slower. The idea was to sell that we would lose our affluence but regain our humanity. Of course a preachy version would not be of much interest to the public so instead to tell human stories against the background of that community. And of course human stories emphasize the humanity angle. Sounds like the concept this book/film is based on (but then I haven't seen it yet). I'll comment -- with spoilers this time -- because Jimbo's question/putdown is just too naive to let pass. I am told that in the original novel the gotcha of this seemingly utopian English school is not revealed until halfway through the book. In the film it's kinda obvious to the discerning viewer early on, so I don't think I'm spoiling anything for anyone. The kids being raised in this seemingly-progressive school are being raised as transplant livestock. Their fate was sealed the moment whatever circumstances placed them in the school. They are raised, fed well, and kept healthy so that at a certain point when one of the rich people who are paying for all of this need a transplant, the Donors supply them. The reality of this is that after 3 or 4 such donations, the Donors die. While the rich live. Why be interested in such dystopian visions? Because this is already happening on planet Earth. Poor people in Asia are being suckered into selling one of their organs for peanuts, and many die afterwards when either one of their remaining organs fails, or during the surgery itself. I know of no instances in which kids are raised as donors from birth, but given the sense of entitlement with which the rich feel that they deserve a replacement organ when they need one, I would not be surprised if it has happened. The kids who grow into adulthood in this film live on made- up stories about how noble their lives are, and on equally made-up escape clauses, such as If two donors fall in love, they are given a deferrment and not forced to donate. In other words, they live on dreams of a utopia *that does not exist*. Those who passively accept their fate call the inevitable moment when they have been used up and die from all the surgeries completion, and look on it as a Good Thing. It seems that Jimbo identifies with them. I'm pretty sure that there are a few dome-goers in Fairfield who honestly believe that the world is at peace because of their butt-bouncing, and that all crime has been eradicated. They have chosen heaven on earth, even though it does not exist, and reality for much of the world's population is still hell. Jimbo seems to think that this is a Good Thing. Me, given a choice between reality and a pretty story of the way life would be if it weren't so...uh...not like that, I'm gonnna go with reality every time. On 03/03/2011 08:21 AM, whynotnow7 wrote: Sounds like a movie to watch for - I am curious about what you said about dystopia not being everyone's preference. If you have a choice to experience heaven or hell - other than a very brief sense of curiosity, why would you choose hell over heaven? :-) Barry, I know I mentioned this once before, but there is a fabulous novel, Cloud Atlas by David Mitchell. It touches on some similar themes about the future, and people raised as workers in a society of the future. The stories in the novel range from 1850 to way in the future. So it is a combination of excellent writing, sci fi, stories about people. Try it when you have some time.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice
On Mar 3, 2011, at 2:26 PM, Tom Pall wrote: On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 6:56 PM, blusc0ut no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Yes? Where exactly and in which context? I read a lot of Shankara but never encountered it. He said that no mantra can make you free. But of course no mantra can make you free. No mantra, no thought = transcending. The seeds of karma are roasted in the fire of knowledge. Transcending is the ultimate knowledge. So no mantra, no thoughts make you free. That was Maharishi's mission and Maharishi fulfilled the goal and teaching of Shankara and Guru Dev, of Shankara's tradition. Maybe according the Maharishi...but M's teaching is actually divergent from Swami Brahmananda's teaching. Seeded (mantric) meditation is like trying to seed flowers all over your garden to make the weeds less obvious. It doesn't get rid of the weeds, but it has a more sattvic vibe to it. It's the unseeded acausal silence that roasts the remaining seeds...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice
On Mar 3, 2011, at 3:18 PM, blusc0ut wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Mar 2, 2011, at 7:56 PM, blusc0ut wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: Dyeing the cloth comes from Shankara. Yes? Where exactly and in which context? I read a lot of Shankara but never encountered it. He said that no mantra can make you free. In the specific context of turiya (transcendental consciousness) becoming turiyatita (cosmic consciousness), the best description I've heard is in Kashmir Shaivism. The analogy is that the cloth must be clean in order for oil to penetrate the cloth. The actual analogy that I'm familiar with describes that turiya is first experienced at the gaps between waking, dreaming and deep sleep. Eventually turiya spreads into the other states from the gaps, like oil pervading and spreading through cloth. It's a gradual process. Now thats interesting. I think that maharishi took a lot of ideas from Kashmere Shaivaism. I would have prefered Maharishi gave his sources: The last yogi-pundit of that tradition, Sw. Lakshmanjoo, was one of his gurus.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice
Soto Zen practice, as well as Tibetan Dzogchen, is very similar to TM practice. What, is this a disinformation campaign? emptybill: It is totally other than TM practice. You two need to just cut the bullshit - there's no such thing as 'TM' - that's just a term that was made up by Jerry Jarvis as a way to communicate between students using acronyms. In fact, meditation simply means to think things over. We are all practicing meditation every day. There's probably not a single day that ordinary people dont pause once or twice to take stock of their own mind-stuff. And everyone is transcending, all the time, even without a technique. You may think you're impressing some informants here but most of us can see right through your imagined accomplishments. After reading thses two responses I can say without the least doubt that neither of you have ever practiced 'TM', Zen', or 'Dzogchen', Go figure. Zen is a school of Mahayana Buddhism. The word Zen is from the Japanese pronunciation of the Chinese word Chan (?), which in turn is derived from the Sanskrit word dhyana, which can be approximately translated as meditation or 'meditative state'... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zen
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice
The Japanese word 'zen' means meditation, from the Sanskrit 'dhyan', Chinese 'chan'. The Buddha, Shakya the Muni, practiced a meditation that was transcendental. The enlightenment tradition in India begins with the historical Buddha. Soto Zen practice, as well as Tibetan Dzogchen, is very similar to TM practice. Vaj: What a load of bullshit... ...the term meditation was introduced as a translation for Eastern spiritual practices, referred to as dhya-na in Buddhism and in Hinduism, which comes from the Sanskrit root dhyai, meaning to contemplate or meditate. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meditation
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice
emptybill: Is this another wiki-moment for you. Well, I guess we know who the Sanskrit readers are in this group, and it appears that Vaj and Bill are not, and they seem to know even less about the history of South Asia. Go figure. You'd think that by now they would have at least read a Sanskrit primer. I guess it would be asking too much to have them name their own Soto Zen or Dzogchen teachers. LoL! Cologne Digital Sanskrit Lexicon: 1. dhyAna n. meditation, thought, reflection, (esp.) profound and abstract religious meditation... http://www.sanskrit-lexicon.uni-koeln.de/cgi-bin/tamil/recherche
[FairfieldLife] Right Wing Rasmussen Poll Shows Scott Walker Flailing
Right Wing Rasmussen Poll Shows Scott Walker Flailing Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker has caught a lot of flak for his proposal to strip public employee unions of most of their collective bargaining rights. He can add to that a new poll of likely Wisconsin voters from Rasmussen http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_state_s\ urveys/wisconsin/wisconsin_poll_support_for_budget_cutting_not_for_weake\ ning_collective_bargaining_rights -- a pollster much maligned for its typically Republican-skewing results -- which finds public opinion firmly against him on the issue. A majority of those polled said they sided with the public employee unions rather than Gov. Walker in the showdown that has deadlocked the state government for more than two weeks. And while a plurality favor a plan to make state employees pay more toward their benefit plans -- something the unions have already agreed to do -- a majority oppose the most contentious proposal put forward by Walker: the elimination of most collective bargaining rights for state employee unions. Just as damning for Walker, a majority also said they sided with the AWOL Senate Democrats, who fled the state to deny the senate the quorum necessary to advance the budget repair bill. Despite Walker's efforts to paint Senate Democrats as being in dereliction of duty for fleeing the state to stall the budget bill, 52% of respondents in the poll said they were more supportive of the Democrats than Walker, compared to 44% who were more supportive of Walker. As to the question of collective bargaining rights, 56% said they were on the unions' side in the debate, while 41% said they sided with Walker. Further, 52% said they oppose Walker's proposal to cut collective bargaining rights for state unions, compared to 39% who said they support that proposal. Walker has insisted that rolling back collective bargaining rights is a necessary step toward producing a balanced budget. While state unions have already agreed to make concessions on the amount of money they pay toward benefits, Walker has refused to back down on collective bargaining, even as protesters continue to flood the state capitol. Another key detail -- the poll shows younger voters being generally more supportive of unions and collective bargaining rights than those in older demographics. That's a reversal of what is often assumed to be the case -- younger voters tilting liberal on social issues, while older voters lean liberal on the labor issues. For example, 63% of respondents aged 18-39 opposed weakening collective bargaining rights, while 46% of respondents in both the 40-64 year-old and 65+ demographics said the same. That could be a bad omen for the GOP in future elections, especially if they continue to take aim at organized labor -- there are similar labor battles heating up in Ohio, Tennessee, Indiana, and elsewhere. The Rasmussen poll was conducted March 2 among 800 likely voters in Wisconsin. It has a margin of error of 4.0%. http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/03/ramussen-poll-majority-of-wi\ sconsinites-side-with-unions-on-collective-bargaining.php?ref=fpb http://snipurl.com/268peh http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/03/ramussen-poll-majority-of-wi\ sconsinites-side-with-unions-on-collective-bargaining.php?ref=fpb [tpmdc_talkingpointsmemo_com] See Also: Four national polls show solid support for public employees Via Greg Sargent: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2011/03/four_national_polls_\ show_stron.html?wprss=plum-line 1. NBC/WSJ poll http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/03/02/6171265-nbcwsj-poll-62-\ against-stripping-public-employees-bargaining-rights : Just 33 percent say it's acceptable and 62 percent say it's unacceptable to eliminate these employees' collective-bargaining rights as way to deal with state budget deficits. 2. Pew poll http://people-press.org/report/709/ : More (42 percent) side with the unions than stand with Governor Scott Walker (31 percent). 3. New York Times/CBS poll http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/01/us/01poll.html?ref=politics : Strong support for the right of unions to collectively bargain, 60-33. 4. Gallup poll http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2011/02/41_percent_of_republ\ icans_oppo.html : 61 percent favor the public unions against Walker. Indeed, the verdict is clear: Americans support public employees in this standoff. [...] But the bigger story here one that will ripple far beyond what happens in Wisconsin is that public employees are not proving the easy scapegoat many predicted they would be, and when faced with the question of whether their fundamental union rights should be taken away, Americans have stepped up and answered with a firm No. http://snipurl.com/268qhj http://thepoliticalcarnival.net/2011/03/02/poll-itics-four-national-pol\ ls-show-solid-support-for-public-employees/ [thepoliticalcarnival_net]
[FairfieldLife] God and Gods of Hinduism
God and Gods of Hinduism Devotion to God and the Gods of Hinduism is known as Bhakti. It is an entire realm of knowledge and practice unto itself, ranging from the childlike wonder of the unknown and the mysterious to the deep reverence which comes with understanding of esoteric interworkings of the three worlds. Hinduism views existence as composed of three worlds. The First World is the physical universe; the Second World is the subtle astral or mental plane of existence in which the devas, angels and spirits live; and the Third World is the spiritual universe of the Mahadevas, great shining beings, our Hindu Gods. Hinduism is the harmonious working together of these three worlds. The most prevalent expression of worship for the Hindu comes as devotion to God and the Gods. In the Hindu pantheon there are said to be three hundred and thirty-three million Gods. Hindus believe in one Supreme Being. The plurality of Gods are perceived as divine creations of that one Being. So, Hinduism has one supreme God, but it has an extensive hierarchy of Gods. Many people look at the Gods as mere symbols, representations of forces or mind strata, or as various Personifications generated as a projection o of man's mind onto an impersonal pure Beingness. Many Hindus have been told over and over that the Gods are not really beings, but merely symbols of spiritual matters, and unfortunately many have accepted this erroneous notion about the Gods. In reality, the Mahadevas are individual soul beings, and down through the ages ordinary men and women, great saints and sages, prophets and mystics in all cultures have inwardly seen, heard, and been profoundly influenced by these superconscious inner plane beings. Lord Ganesha is such a being. He can think just as we can think. He can see and understand and make decisions - so vast in their implications and complexity that we could never comprehend them with our human faculties and understanding. Great indeed are the Gods who have sprung out of Brahman. -Atharva Veda A Hierarchy of Gods Guide Hinduism A unique and all-encompassing characteristic of Hinduism is that one devotee may be worshipping Ganesha while a friend worships Siva or Vishnu or Kali, yet both honor the other's choice and feel no sense of conflict. The Hindu religion brings us the gift of tolerance that allows for different stages of worship, different and personal expressions of devotion and even different Gods to guide our life on this earth. Hinduism is a family of four main denominations - Saivism, Shaktism, Vaishnavism, Smartism - under a divine hierarchy of Mahadevas. These intelligent beings have evolved through eons of time and are able to help mankind without themselves having to live in a physical body. These great Mahadevas, with their multitudes of angelic devas, live and work constantly and tirelessly for the people of our religion, protecting and guiding them, opening new doors and closing unused ones. In the Vedas, God is called Brahman, the Supreme Being who simultaneously exists as the absolute transcendent Parabrahman, as omniscient consciousness or shakti power and as the personal prime Deity. The word Brahman comes from the Sanskrit root Brh which means to grow, manifest, expand, referring to the Brahman Mind of pure consciousness that underlies, emanates and resonates as all existence. Brahman is simultaneously Purusha, the Primal Soul. He is perfection of being, the original soul who creates/emanates innumerable individual souls - including the Gods. Some Gods, such as Lord Ganesha, did not undergo evolution as we know it, but were emanated as mature Mahadevas whose minds simultaneously govern and interpenetrate specific orders of space and time. They are so close to Brahman that they fulfill their cosmic functions in perfect accord with God's wisdom, intent and action. He who is beyond all exists as the relative universe. That part of Him appears as sentient and insentient beings. From a part of Him was born the body of the universe, and out of this body were born the Gods, the earth and men. - Rig Veda As God and the Gods are individual soul beings, so too is humankind. The soul body is a body of light which evolves and matures into the likeness of Purusha Brahman just as the seed of a tree one day becomes a tree. Within this body of light and consciousness exist, without beginning or end, the two perfections of Parabrahman and Satchidananda. Satchidananda is the superconscious mind of the soul body - the mind of Brahman. Parabrahman is the inmost core of the soul. We are That. We do not become That. He who sparkles in your eyes, who lights the heavens and hides in the souls of all creatures is God, your Self. - Siva Yogaswami of the Natha Sampradaya Our soul body is slowly evolving. Man has five bodies, each more subtle than the last. Visualize the soul of man as a lightbulb and his various
[FairfieldLife] Re: Class Action Lawsuit Against The Source Of FFL Defamation
I'll take a shot - How'd I do, doc? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@... wrote: Hey, since I'm the only licensed psychologist in this group, I think, I will now pass judgement on Barry's psychological health after he answers a few questions: 1) Who is the president of France? easy one - Bridgitte Bardot. 2) Who put the shine in shinola? Kiwi, mate. 3) What is Rick Archer's middle name? Constantine, or Humphrey, but only if you call him Richard first. 4) Is Maharishi really enlightened or is he hypnotized by an astral demon? Klaatu barada nikto. :-) --- On Thu, 3/3/11, turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Class Action Lawsuit Against The Source Of FFL Defamation To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, March 3, 2011, 5:41 AM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Mar 2, 2011, at 11:49 AM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@ wrote: Ravi, I respectfully disagree with your diagnosis of Barry. Based on his writings here, he does not have a personality disorder of any sort. Not even one? Bummer. What did I do to get left out? Notice that this crap usually starts to appear when criticism of MMY or the TMO starts reaching critical mass? Pure coincidence I'm sure (snicker). Having looked into the laws regarding defamation of character, I am instructing my attorney to file suit against those who continue to say such defamatory things about me here on Fairfield Life. I'm not suing the posters themselves, mind you. I'm suing those that these posters claim really make their posts for them, with themselves as merely passive, non-doing puppets. I'm suing the Three Gunas. Anyone who is tired of how things are working in the world due to the Three Gunas' meddling interference are welcome to join me in this lawsuit, and turn it into a major Class Action affair. My lawyer tells me that the Three Gunas are loaded and will probably want to settle out of court rather than have to testify themselves, so this lawsuit looks to be a source of easy money for the plaintiffs. Pile on. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice
We don't want to give Judy a shock, just in case her mantra is on here, but we know it is not right? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: OM sweet OM :-) [The significance of Aum or Om - Page 4 - IndusLadies]
[FairfieldLife] Post Count
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Class Action Lawsuit Against The Source Of FFL Defamation
On Mar 3, 2011, at 4:48 AM, Peter wrote: Hey, since I'm the only licensed psychologist in this group, I think, I will now pass judgement on Barry's psychological health after he answers a few questions: 1) Who is the president of France? France has a president? 2) Who put the shine in shinola? The same person who put the bop in the bop bop bop. 3) What is Rick Archer's middle name? From here it looks like the space in between Rick and Archer. 4) Is Maharishi really enlightened or is he hypnotized by an astral demon? Hey, that's PUSH POLLING. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice
blusc0ut: We don't want to give Judy a shock, just in case her mantra is on here, but we know it is not right? So, if you're a Sanskrit reader, why is it that you never respond to the postings of the only known Sanskrit reader on this forum? In fact, a mantra is not a mantra unless it is given in diksha, that is, initiation by a guru. So, these marks don't prove much of anything, since you probably could'nt inscribe your own TM bija in Devangiri on a flash card. If I'm mistaken about this, why not post your Sanskrit TM bija so we can all see what it is? OM sweet OM
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice
Willy, this is all the same syllable Om in different Indian language scripts. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@... wrote: blusc0ut: We don't want to give Judy a shock, just in case her mantra is on here, but we know it is not right? So, if you're a Sanskrit reader, why is it that you never respond to the postings of the only known Sanskrit reader on this forum? Because I don't know grammar maybe? In fact, a mantra is not a mantra unless it is given in diksha, that is, initiation by a guru. So, these marks don't prove much of anything, since you probably could'nt inscribe your own TM bija in Devangiri on a flash card. Of course I could. It is not that difficult. If I'm mistaken about this, why not post your Sanskrit TM bija so we can all see what it is? Why? You can't read it anyway. OM sweet OM
[FairfieldLife] Re: God and Gods of Hinduism
do.rflex: God and Gods of Hinduism So, you're a big Swami Rama fan. LoL! http://www.himalayanacademy.com/ http://www.himalayanacademy.com/ http://liveinavillage.weebly.com/yogic-life.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Class Action Lawsuit Against The Source Of FFL Defamation
On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 4:48 AM, Peter drpetersutp...@yahoo.com wrote: Hey, since I'm the only licensed psychologist in this group, I think, I will now pass judgement on Barry's psychological health after he answers a few questions: 1) Who many Frenchmen does it take to defend Paris? No one knows. It's never been tried. 2) Who put the shine in shinola? Steve Martin 3) What is Rick Archer's middle name? With a middle name like Betty, would you reveal it? 4) Is Maharishi really enlightened or is he hypnotized by an astral demon? He's dead, Jim. Pass the catchup.
[FairfieldLife] Hillary wants money for US propaganda
You have to get this piece of news from Russia Today : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xwbSHYpYJc Gee too back that FAUX, CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN are losing the battle. They don't report the news very well anyway unless it's Charlie Sheen, Lindsey Lohan, etc.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@... wrote: For me clear transcending is when I drop out of sight for seconds to hours, no mantra, no thought, no sense of having been asleep, no sense of waking up. I've transcended from seconds to almost a full 24 hours on the weekend. I have on occassion had a sizzle or crackle sensation when I transcended deeply, or when I seemed to go into the transcendent. Like something going into a deep fryer.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice
Stay enraged Willy! It makes your comments more amusing. So you are only accepting Soto teachers as valid proponents of Chan/Sön/Zen? That IS bullshit Willy! Just for the record, Willy, my Chan/Sön/Zen teacher was Seung Sahn Soen-sa, back in the mid-1980's. He died in 2004. The most important influences from Chan/Sön/Zen on me are Zong-Mi (Hwa-Yen and Chan) and Chinul's tradition of Sudden Awakening/Gradual Practice. My teacher of Mahayana/Tantra/Dzogchen is Younge Khachab Rinpoche, (both a Khenpo and Geche) with whom I am currently studying Vajrayana and Dzogchen (in particular). This summer we studied the first three of the nine Tögal lamps that were enumerated in detail by Vimalamitra. Here at mudville he is extensively teaching the four samaya-s of Dzogchen via Longchenpa-s classic text, The Precious Treasury of the Way of Abiding. Recently he empowered me to practice one of Longchen's Ekajati sadhana-s. And yes, I'm quite happy to call her She if it makes you feel better Willy. Funny though he never mentioned your name when talking Kadak or Lhundrub. Must have been his oversight. And yes, Willy I only read a little Sanskrit and mostly depend upon fine word for word translations of scholars like Georg Feurerstein for Sanskrit/English and Khachab Rinpoche for Tibetan/English. That probably renders me incompetent to talk about this stuff with such far seeing Wiki rishi-s such as yourself doesn't it? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@... wrote: emptybill: Is this another wiki-moment for you. Well, I guess we know who the Sanskrit readers are in this group, and it appears that Vaj and Bill are not, and they seem to know even less about the history of South Asia. Go figure. You'd think that by now they would have at least read a Sanskrit primer. I guess it would be asking too much to have them name their own Soto Zen or Dzogchen teachers. LoL! Cologne Digital Sanskrit Lexicon: 1. dhyAna n. meditation, thought, reflection, (esp.) profound and abstract religious meditation... http://www.sanskrit-lexicon.uni-koeln.de/cgi-bin/tamil/recherche
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@... wrote: blusc0ut: We don't want to give Judy a shock, just in case her mantra is on here, but we know it is not right? So, if you're a Sanskrit reader, why is it that you never respond to the postings of the only known Sanskrit reader on this forum? [ImageShack, share photos, pictures, free image hosting, free video hosting, image hosting, video hosting, photo image hosting site, video hosting site]
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice
Chan meditation teacher Hsuan Hua (Pure Land School): http://www.longbeachmonastery.org/NEWVen24.jpg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: Stay enraged Willy! It makes your comments more amusing. So you are only accepting Soto teachers as valid proponents of Chan/Sön/Zen? That IS bullshit Willy! Just for the record, Willy, my Chan/Sön/Zen teacher was Seung Sahn Soen-sa, back in the mid-1980's. He died in 2004. The most important influences from Chan/Sön/Zen on me are Zong-Mi (Hwa-Yen and Chan) and Chinul's tradition of Sudden Awakening/Gradual Practice. My teacher of Mahayana/Tantra/Dzogchen is Younge Khachab Rinpoche, (both a Khenpo and Geche) with whom I am currently studying Vajrayana and Dzogchen (in particular). This summer we studied the first three of the nine Tögal lamps that were enumerated in detail by Vimalamitra. Here at mudville he is extensively teaching the four samaya-s of Dzogchen via Longchenpa-s classic text, The Precious Treasury of the Way of Abiding. Recently he empowered me to practice one of Longchen's Ekajati sadhana-s. And yes, I'm quite happy to call her She if it makes you feel better Willy. Funny though he never mentioned your name when talking Kadak or Lhundrub. Must have been his oversight. And yes, Willy I only read a little Sanskrit and mostly depend upon fine word for word translations of scholars like Georg Feurerstein for Sanskrit/English and Khachab Rinpoche for Tibetan/English. That probably renders me incompetent to talk about this stuff with such far seeing Wiki rishi-s such as yourself doesn't it? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@ wrote: emptybill: Is this another wiki-moment for you. Well, I guess we know who the Sanskrit readers are in this group, and it appears that Vaj and Bill are not, and they seem to know even less about the history of South Asia. Go figure. You'd think that by now they would have at least read a Sanskrit primer. I guess it would be asking too much to have them name their own Soto Zen or Dzogchen teachers. LoL! Cologne Digital Sanskrit Lexicon: 1. dhyAna n. meditation, thought, reflection, (esp.) profound and abstract religious meditation... http://www.sanskrit-lexicon.uni-koeln.de/cgi-bin/tamil/recherche
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice
blusc0ut: ...this is all the same syllable Om in different Indian language scripts. But, what does Judy have to do with your mantra OM? You get only one single bija mantra in TM. Go figure. If I'm mistaken about this, why not post your Sanskrit TM bija so we can all see what it is? Why? You can't read it anyway. Well there's only one known Sanskrit reader on this forum.
[FairfieldLife] A tale of two tables
$10K Martini? $1K desert? While others have trouble putting food on the table? http://rt.com/usa/news/usa-growing-food-crisis/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hillary wants money for US propaganda
Viewership of Al Jazeera is going up in the United States because it's real news. You may not agree with it, but you feel like you're getting real news around the clock instead of a million commercials and, you know, arguments between talking heads and the kind of stuff that we do on our news which, you know, is not particularly informative to us, let alone foreigners. Hillary Clinton http://tinyurl.com/4gtt5hg Hillary actually compliments RT and Al Jazeera for reporting news but listening to RT you'd think she is only interested in using media for propaganda. Right-wing hate monger Gateway Pundit http://tinyurl.com/4hdjmlk also blasted her for saying anti-Semitic anti-American (their words) Al Jazeera puts American media to shame. Hillary's assessment of American media is spot on but that doesn't matter. She gets pot-shots from the left *and* right whatever she says. At least Taylor Marsh, a long-time Hillary supporter, is willing to represent Hillary fairly, and counters what everyone absolutely *knows* to be true, that she is a bitch. Bitches get stuff done. Tina Fey. http://tinyurl.com/3c3och http://tinyurl.com/4f9fp97 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: You have to get this piece of news from Russia Today : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xwbSHYpYJc Gee too back that FAUX, CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN are losing the battle. They don't report the news very well anyway unless it's Charlie Sheen, Lindsey Lohan, etc.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hillary wants money for US propaganda
Hillary: http://www.thismodernworld.com/portfoliofolder/angel.jpg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: Viewership of Al Jazeera is going up in the United States because it's real news. You may not agree with it, but you feel like you're getting real news around the clock instead of a million commercials and, you know, arguments between talking heads and the kind of stuff that we do on our news which, you know, is not particularly informative to us, let alone foreigners. Hillary Clinton http://tinyurl.com/4gtt5hg Hillary actually compliments RT and Al Jazeera for reporting news but listening to RT you'd think she is only interested in using media for propaganda. Right-wing hate monger Gateway Pundit http://tinyurl.com/4hdjmlk also blasted her for saying anti-Semitic anti-American (their words) Al Jazeera puts American media to shame. Hillary's assessment of American media is spot on but that doesn't matter. She gets pot-shots from the left *and* right whatever she says. At least Taylor Marsh, a long-time Hillary supporter, is willing to represent Hillary fairly, and counters what everyone absolutely *knows* to be true, that she is a bitch. Bitches get stuff done. Tina Fey. http://tinyurl.com/3c3och http://tinyurl.com/4f9fp97 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: You have to get this piece of news from Russia Today : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xwbSHYpYJc Gee too back that FAUX, CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN are losing the battle. They don't report the news very well anyway unless it's Charlie Sheen, Lindsey Lohan, etc.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Mar 3, 2011, at 2:26 PM, Tom Pall wrote: On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 6:56 PM, blusc0ut no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Yes? Where exactly and in which context? I read a lot of Shankara but never encountered it. He said that no mantra can make you free. But of course no mantra can make you free. No mantra, no thought = transcending. The seeds of karma are roasted in the fire of knowledge. Transcending is the ultimate knowledge. So no mantra, no thoughts make you free. That was Maharishi's mission and Maharishi fulfilled the goal and teaching of Shankara and Guru Dev, of Shankara's tradition. Maybe according the Maharishi...but M's teaching is actually divergent from Swami Brahmananda's teaching. Seeded (mantric) meditation is like trying to seed flowers all over your garden to make the weeds less obvious. It doesn't get rid of the weeds, but it has a more sattvic vibe to it. It's the unseeded acausal silence that roasts the remaining seeds... S. L
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Feb 20, 2011, at 8:13 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: When I learned mantra-yoga from others after TM, they taught that ajapa-japa: effortless constant non-repetition mantra repetition 24/7 was the goal of mantra yoga. Really a fine, constant stream of mantra-as-awareness where it is never lost, never forgotten. In other words; no transcendence. Thought so. Actually full transcendence, not stuck in a laya (TM) and merely transcending part of the mind. TM would be kind of an entry level practice prior to mastery of ajapa-japa. It's simply a level of practice not taught in the TM Org. Maharishi quite clearly expressed this himself, when he said that the normal transcending in TM is hazy, not the real and final transcending. Quite frankly I suspect that this is the reason why the movement is discontinued - at least no expansion is envisioned. Because with the present material he had, the people with the concepts he created, could not go much further. It's like this example in the Divine Plan, where the reconstruction team finshes only one quarter of the street, and continues next time with another section. He didn't say this for nothing. No expansion is envisioned... Hmmm... Well, I guess since the original vision was to have 1 TM center per 1 million people, you can say there's no new expansionary vision beyond that. Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: A checklist of Turq's psychological traits, cry for help
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@... wrote: Ravi, I respectfully disagree with your diagnosis of Barry. Based on his writings here, he does not have a personality disorder of any sort. Oh yeah? Picture this * Barry takes the dogs down the beach for a walk, notices huge waves beating down, reminds him of how his inflated ego took a beating during his time at TMO and proceeds to spoil his morning walk obsessing on how he would post to FFL on how this reminded him of the powerful primal forces of the TMO MMY. * Barry takes the dogs on a walk to the park, he notices dry leaves falling to the grounds, reminds him of how empty he felt as he withered away his connections to TMO when he was not acknowledged for his specialness and spends rest of time coming up with beautiful ideas for his post on FFL mocking and ridiculing TB's for their connections to TMO. * The dogs are tired of Barry's bullshit - they are not ready for a third walk to stimulate his paranoia. Barry, determined to make yet another convincing post denunciating TMO MMY on FFL, dumps the dogs and heads to the nearest Internet cafe and reads an article on Scientology. His imagination runs wild as he weaves his magic comparing Scientology and TM0/MMY. * The dogs are now pure pissed, they block the door and prevent Barry from leaving. Undeterred Barry fires up his laptop, reads an article on Facebook evils which really gets all his mental cylinders firing as he comes up with a plan to compare online addiction to TB's addiction with TMO/MMY. * It's late evening. The dogs and Barry are both tired and don't have any energy to play any games. Barry reads an email where Judy patiently and methodically is ripping apart his bizarre fantasies. He furiously types away his final email accusing everyone of shutting him up and indulging in get Barry fests and get Barry orgies, he declares himself to be a heretic and that he can't be shut up. After he hits the send button, his face falls flat on the keyboard and he dozes off in exhaustion. Love - Ravi Yogi.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A checklist of Turq's psychological traits, cry for help
That sounds like a great pilot for a new Realty TV series! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@ wrote: Ravi, I respectfully disagree with your diagnosis of Barry. Based on his writings here, he does not have a personality disorder of any sort. Oh yeah? Picture this * Barry takes the dogs down the beach for a walk, notices huge waves beating down, reminds him of how his inflated ego took a beating during his time at TMO and proceeds to spoil his morning walk obsessing on how he would post to FFL on how this reminded him of the powerful primal forces of the TMO MMY. * Barry takes the dogs on a walk to the park, he notices dry leaves falling to the grounds, reminds him of how empty he felt as he withered away his connections to TMO when he was not acknowledged for his specialness and spends rest of time coming up with beautiful ideas for his post on FFL mocking and ridiculing TB's for their connections to TMO. * The dogs are tired of Barry's bullshit - they are not ready for a third walk to stimulate his paranoia. Barry, determined to make yet another convincing post denunciating TMO MMY on FFL, dumps the dogs and heads to the nearest Internet cafe and reads an article on Scientology. His imagination runs wild as he weaves his magic comparing Scientology and TM0/MMY. * The dogs are now pure pissed, they block the door and prevent Barry from leaving. Undeterred Barry fires up his laptop, reads an article on Facebook evils which really gets all his mental cylinders firing as he comes up with a plan to compare online addiction to TB's addiction with TMO/MMY. * It's late evening. The dogs and Barry are both tired and don't have any energy to play any games. Barry reads an email where Judy patiently and methodically is ripping apart his bizarre fantasies. He furiously types away his final email accusing everyone of shutting him up and indulging in get Barry fests and get Barry orgies, he declares himself to be a heretic and that he can't be shut up. After he hits the send button, his face falls flat on the keyboard and he dozes off in exhaustion. Love - Ravi Yogi.
